I Spent 7 Days Learning Lucio To See If DPS Lucio Is Still a Thing
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- Опубликовано: 10 апр 2023
- Is Reddit Lucio still a thing in Overwatch 2? To find out, I spent one week learning him, including with coaching from Frogger, one of the world's best Lucio content creators!
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My friend got flamed for having low healing on Mercy when their team was already winning handily. It's bizarre to me that people will still be toxic when they're not even struggling or losing, but especially frustrating when it involves them just utterly failing to understand what Lucio and Mercy bring to the table when they're choosing not to heal.
Had this happen to me too. Can’t remember if I was playing tank or healer. Either way, my team was winning and the dps on my team starting flaming me and the other dps. Called us trash, and told us to “go back to bronze”. I was completely taken aback because we were winning.
I wonder if this is new people? It's a bit like blaming a Widow for not doing enough damage, even though they're getting the first pick every team fight.
I don't know all I know is I was winning the match for our team holding the point since everyone else was fight I got the least kills and least deaths but most healing but still got roasted over not helping enough soo I don't really know just putting my word out here no issue hopefully
I get the same often as Zen. Where I'm often asked to swap off because they need more heals.
@@BrofUJu as someone playing from launch in 2016, the people hard flaming are not new people. New players do occasionally complain but they also usually put their hands up fairly quickly if they get called out on their bs. Legacy players are the dickheads who act much more high and mighty, all while feeding into the enemy team in a 1v5.
Plat lucio main here and all of what you said is so true, people are super toxic if you pick lucio. Even some Rein players get mad about low healing when I pick it, even though all their plays are supported by my speedboosts. I feel like it would help if people had a better indicator of when they receive (especially non-amped) speed boost because a lot of players don't notice the huge difference it makes. If your reaper hits a 5 man deathblossem with amped speed people will type "dps diff", and no one in the swrver even notices that without lucios speedboost it would be a 1v5 suicide mission.
I had a Reinhardt player tell me to "stop speed boosting him" when he literally wiped the entire enemy team because of my speed boost.
As a former OW1 high Plat Lucio main, this is some bizarre world shit. I don't remember ever being flamed for picking Lucio and no one ever complained about speedboost. Wtf happened in the last two years?!
@@ProfDCoy Back then, he was a must pick in gold and plat for Control maps. quite odd how the tables turn.
@ProfDCoy It's gotten more toxic basically, I remember back in OW1 playing lucio was fun Wether it was QP or Comp but not in OW2, No matter what you play unless it be arcade or mystery hero people will flame you for picking lucio. I'm a diamond lucio and understand how lucio should be played but everyone and I mean everyone will flame you for not healing or for being behind the enemy team killing their supports instead of heal botting now.
Just an hour ago I was playing Comp and got flamed from half my team for "not healing enough" while I saved most of my team with boops or speed boosting them outta ults or death situations, I even had more dmg than my dps and elims but I was the "trashcan" for not heal botting🤦♂️
As a Lucio main, I'm proud of you
edit: As a Lucio main, I'm NOT proud of you
my brother in 🐸, care to explain why?
as a lucio main myself i heard nothing wrong with what he said at the end. it’s part of why i don’t even play OW anymore.
@@thestarryeyedobserver yes and maybe, just maybe, am I only running away from the truth. Please let me atleast dream about the good old times, I was never able to witness, bc I'm just one of many Ow2 players. I'm sorry brother 🐸
I love the storytelling you put into these videos, keep it up!
The combination of:
-Tank passive nullifying boop
-Worse maps
-Nerfed self heal
-One less tank to support and one less tank to deny
-Genji/Tracer/Reaper etc falling out of favour.
-Game slowing down after Brig and Bap were added
Is why Lucio has gradually gone from the most fun highest impact character in the game to a fraction of that.
He used to be best played as a frontliner who sometimes dives - now he can’t frontline and isn’t even as good at diving either.
Still no idea why they nerfed his self heal, like I feel like they only did that just to make the passive noticeable cuz by the time it triggers my lower passive healing already nearly put me on full health it just weakens me in a fight
It's so unfortunate that sometimes in some metagames Lucio can go from the most fun hero to play to meh. I wish the devs leaned into the reddit Lucio playstyle more and try to keep it viable. It's absolutely the most fun way to play Overwatch imo, I've been a Lucio main for years.
Recently though, I've been picking up Ball and WOW that has been so much fun too. Whenever reddit Lucio is falling out of style, I know I can play Ball and have a great time.
i am currently a grandmaster lucio main and i agree with what you said at the end. Lucio just isn't as much fun as he used to be, but i still try and play as a reddit lucio and even though i may lose a lot of games doing it i still have a lot of fun bullying the enemy supports and dps
I can't upvote this series enough. Genuinely I think its the best OW2 content on youtube. Thank you so much for all of these. Its an inspiring and inviting idea. keep up the good work!
A tracer video(after the lifeweaver) would be probably be good because its hard to get free value from her
A doomfist video would also be interesting
Voting for Sym as the next to learn! Doom is also really tempting, but I feel like there's a _ton_ of nuance with Sym that would be a lot of fun to watch you go through (and tbh it might even be hard to do all that in just one week).
Also a comment on the video's end, how Lucio currently is feeling... boring. It's a real bummer to hear that, but also a perfect match for what Eskay said in one of her own recent videos. Her and Frogger are two of the biggest names in Lucio gameplay, the crazy plays and the rollouts and all that, but Eskay herself said that right now, Lucio just... isn't fun to play for her. Hopefully in the future the devs can figure out some way to give Lucio some of his fun-ness back, though it's tough since it's not like he's been reworked or heavily nerfed; it's just that with the way OW2 and its meta works, he's lost his niche in that, I feel.
As a plat/diamond tank, i love to see a lucio running around. Dont care if it sucks or not chaos is always good in my opinon.. and im ALWAYS pushing with the speed boost. Might be my fav support to play next to
Interesting point of view. It's crazy once you really get to know the hero, it changes your perspective. If I feel bored of healing, I go on Lucio and have a bit of fun before changing back, but thats because I'm not godlike with him
The Lucio play style from ow1 to ow2 has changed so much. When ow2 first went live my Lucio dropped so much because I was used to running more of a reddit style dps Lucio but that style has just gotten so much harder in ow2. It's still doable but if the enemy team has a few counters to you you just have to be more of a heal and speed bot and run the game with good communication. As soon as I adjusted my play style I jumped right back to masters.
Great content! I love your story telling and podcasts. I'm fairly new to Overwatch, got into it within the last year and a half of Overwatch 1 and I genuinely appreciate how in the podcasts you keep a level headed mentality. Not afraid to play devils advocate to keep many fresh perspectives. Amazing content man, love it!
I would love to see you play Mercy solo queue and then you will know what true pain is (Suffer as I have)
People always bitch about damage boost and Rez being "broken" but if you ever played the character you will realise it's impossible to carry 90% of games with Mercy.
Watch top 500 dps defran, he did an unranked to gm with mercy. Got gm already last season. Not impressed 😂
I love this series and I hope you’re able to enjoy it despite all the crazy people in your games :) you’re really motivating me to try learning the heroes I‘m still unfamiliar with after all these years
I'd like to see you do this with Kiriko - I hear people say a lot that she's hard to climb on and has low winrate everywhere below GM, but it's so much fun zipping round everywhere and just doing a little bit of whatever wherever it counts.
could be a nice colab with ML7 too
Great content SVB! Keep up the hard work my guy!
That guy who picked Lucio to stop you was funny as hell lmao.
Dude did the same thing to me as brig lol
Your points at the end are so spot on, and heartbreaking for all of us (former) lucio mains
Your lobbies are fucked up, as a tank main I always love a Lucio pick so I don't have to deal with my slow walking speed.
low elo always focuses on heal numbers
If there’s one thing I’ve learned playing Lucio, it’s that not matter what I do!
I’m not fast enough to avoid the IRS!
Top tier content as always. This is probably my favourite series you've ever done!
New to overwatch and I can say, I love lucio, he was very very very difficult to learn, worse im on console so adjusting movement on the vertical axis is a nightmare! The worst pain I have ever felt in a game is when I Ajex! However the joy of wall riding everywhere, wining a low level duel and the alert you get for MIT during a beat are all worth the trouble!
My advice to anyone trying for the first time is to PLEASE go into settings and turn backwards wall riding on! its exponentially makes wall riding easier!
love these, I've liked and watched all these video types, pease keep em coming
As a lucio main this video hit me in the feels. The old playstyle is indeed dead, and it seems that the fun of lucio has been sucked dry by the switch to OW2. Big shoutout to frogger for continuing to make fantastic and hilarious lucio content.
Yellow healing song is actually waayyy to funny, I’m only referring to it as such from now on 😂😂
> Nobody knows what speed boost does anymore
When I first played Overwatch, I locked Soldier. This was before role queue. I soon noticed that I could run really fast out of spawn, but then I'd slow down at the point. I thought this was a Soldier thing -- that maybe he could move really quickly at the beginning of the game. Then I noticed it happened on Zarya, Widow, Mercy, whoever. I figured maybe this is just how all heroes work.
Nope. It was Lucio. Those were the days when Lucio was a must pick, and everybody would speed their team to the point, then go "yellow song".
Those were the days
it's a struggle being a lucio main 😭 you just gotta get used to being flamed every single day 💀💀
I love these svb, please keep them coming!!
I love how SVB got flamed in plat for playing DPS Lucio and being defiant about it. Then when he talked with a rank 1 Lucio, frogger, he basically confirmed all the flamers by saying yea, actually you should focus on your team and farm ult charge instead.
Good video. Keep em coming SVB
your content is incredible ty!
I look forward to these videos! ❤
Nicely done. I got on Lucio about a year ago and never looked back. I only kinda disagree about it being boring simply because of the disengagement par excellence that is even more necessary in OW2 without the second tank and the fact that I like fighting in the mix. I personally enjoy the mechanics and "slipperiness", regardless of playstyle, so much that everything else feels uninspiring. I like me some Zen and Ana from time to time but Lucio made me love the game again when I almost gave up in the last year of OW1.
loving the videos keep it up. would love to see a doom fist 7 days thing. thx much love.
Note: if you have a lucio on your team, protect your other support more often as lucio is pretty much fine as long as you have a good second support
Hey svb! I was in a twitch raid today, I hadn’t subscribed yet, but have seen your videos beforehand. I enjoyed this video, can’t wait to see more!
I saw the "Yellow Song" clip a while back and didn't realize what it meant until now! Also, really looking forward to the Lifeweaver video.
These videos are incredibly well made!
Love these! Bastion next!
I would love to see you try Tracer after Lifeweaver. The hero pool you seem confident with all seem to be the on the slower side but you wanting to be a reddit Lucio says to me that you somewhat want to try to add the fast characters to your roster so I feel like Tracer would fill that spot perfectly
this is high quality content svb
Great video. Wish there was more Frogger teaching but very entertaining nevertheless. As a Lucio Main myself I really appreciate it.
I climbed to Masters as Lucio onetrick and the start of S4 has been so hard for me in the mental game. We love “Avoid CoolFrog for wins”, “k y s”, and “never queue again”
nice vids u making me pick a main with out having ti do the grind nice explanations great channel thx
As a Lucio main, I literally felt everything in this video. The hate especially, I'm low Diamond/high plat and I'm constantly flamed, I'm not too bothered by the flames but this video was another level. I get quite a few throwers but my god. I barely ever join vcs anymore and this video explains why
Edit: i love the random noises that Frogger makes 😂
I'm actually very thankful for this video. Despite the fact that I don't play OW2 anymore. Lucio was in OW1 always one of my 2 main healers and I love him for his flexibility and the amount he can contribute to the team, even tho they don't notice that.
And I constantly struggled with what you experienced too. People not understanding this Hero, demanding me to switch off because I don't heal enough, despite me having actually high healing numbers. And they don't see how valuable he is in crowd control and in controlling engagements with his speed boost. Any time I got a tank to play as a team with me, we dominated. Because speeding Tanks can put a ton of pressure on the enemy team, that they often cant handle.
And the help you give to your team with quick kills or controlling single enemies like Reaper. Making sure your tanks don't even take the dmg in the first place is so much better than healing the dmg.
People didn’t know that speed is good because so many new players game and filled up a lot of the lower ranks. It took years in ow1 for people to recognize that speed is good in gold and the new players caused the veterans to move up in rank due to how ranking works… it’s unfortunate but it will be all good soon
I would like to see a Cassidy Video. I always hear that it is super easy to get value with him but whenever I play him, I just die. I have no idea how to position with him effectively
I cop my fair share of toxicity as a lucio one-trick these days, but I didn't expect to hear you say it's more than Sobra or Hammond would get.
I've been telling myself the reason I don't enjoy ana/zen since ow2 is that they're strong in the least engaging ways, but I didn't realise that extended to lucio. Sure I know that no-one works with the character, and he's getting a little power crept (be it passives, heros or maps), but it didn't occur to me that his best matchup would be farming tanks for ult.
Oh well, I'll choose what's fun over what's meta anyway.
Yeah, I've felt this, but -- hearing daddy frogger say it was a little too real for me. It is a real shame because playing a good DPS lucio has spent a lot of time mastering a lot of tricky mechanics, learning rollouts and escapes (like 800 hrs between console/pc) -- and figuring out some tough matchups. But the game has been balanced into a state where this playstyle is easy to punish, I struggle a lot with slow-playing teams, who, even with comms, won't use speed boost to overwhelm their opponents or chase down the disengage.
Cassidy/zen are tough matchups now; the boop has become one of the weakest displacement abilities -- and is best used for pushing people out of positions or preventing supports from making escapes. But heck -- there are a lot of getting outta jail cards on many heroes. Beat is excellent but it requires relatively perfect timing, and I'll always hold it for a second too long to save a melted tank.
I don't think Lucio needs buffs to be successful; I think the game could just use a reigning in of many, --EXTREMELY STRONG-- abilities that save people when they're making mistakes -- grenade, Suzu, life-grip, fade, slide -- etc. I hope the devs pay more attention to how they fit into an aggressive meta, even if S4's patch notes specifically avoid thinking Luico's place in the game. I'll see you in the backline, winning my last good matchup, widowmaker.
As someone who mostly hovers plat/diamond, I have had so many people just ask me to swap off Zen because they want more heals. Even had the same hero steal on Circuit Royale last season. We picked suboptimal healer combo of Zen Lucio but we still made it through the entire map with about 2 minutes on the clock (would've been quicker if the Lucio on my team used his without needing to be told to). Then they decided to take my Zen pick away on the defence and play on the front line with the tank. Inevitably leading them to die much more often.
A Doomfist vid would be interesting because a lot of people think he’s a throw pick but pros get a lot of value out of him and Symmetra would be interesting because she’s so unconventional
As a lucio onetrick this is the content I desire.
I’ve actually personally encountered way less flaming in OW2 for lucio-ing all over the place but man it was getting so bad in OW1 that by the time the first ow2 beta launched I had folks in my games there screaming and raging to swap off.
All in all though what really excites me about playing lucio is largely the mental game of knowing where you’re best suited. like knowing when to flip the switch between “heal team build beat” and “that guy’s low imma assassinate him” feels really rewarding. Also his movement, it’s so addictive the more you practice with it you just wanna get better and better. At this point I’ve spent 5x the time in lucio surf custom games than I have playing comp
I didnt expect this advice from frogger damm
the flaming is why i stopped playing him and swapped mains. its insane how much stats matter to mid elo players
As a Lucio main(plat 5) my playstyle with him is helping the team out but going for a pick if i have an opportunity to.
I lost a comp game when I got the entire enemy team with a shatter, but Lucio was on yellow song, so while I could kill their support and dps with about 2 swings, but because Lucio was simply there I would’ve needed about 5 swings, and by that time they would’ve gotten up.
In short, we lost the game because Lucio simply existed. Lol.
1:56 How in the ever living fuck is it so difficult for me to get plat if these people don't even understand the value of speed boost. This is fundamental shit! Blows my mind.
You should try mei next. I've been locking her only for a week now to learn her more and the higher I get (masters 3 and higher) the more I get road blocked. The general "wall the tank and kill him" playstyle doesn't seem to work anymore. Been opting for more value out of consistent icicle (right click) dmg and just PUMPING out blizzards since the ult charge cost is so low. I still lose games like this too where I have 20!!! BLIZZARD kills in 17 min lol
Hell yeah, I turned on notifications just in time 😄
After live weaver can you play Orisa? This series made me sub to your channel so I would love to see you play Orisa after you’re done with life weaver
To be fair, if I get a Moira that is purely dpsing, but who doesn’t understand how to dps good with her and just keeps on dying, I’ll also just lock Moira in spawn just so they stop throwing with her.
But that was back when I was in silver and gold. I don’t really see players that are super bad in Plat or Diamond now.
/hidechat is the supports best friend.
As someone who was the Lucio player for a team that played in tournaments and been playing (poorly) since launch, it's crazy how people don't understand how speedboost works.
Hi SVB!! Have you done a episode in this series on junkrat? Hes my main so im just wondering.
Mercy and Lucio are the definition of "Support" Healing isn't their biggest role
Honestly, none of the supports have healing as their biggest role, if played ideally.
Ana - Antinade and sleep
Kiriko - suzu, mobility and kunai headshots
Moira - decent damage (she has the least utility of all of 'em)
Brig - disruptiveness and survivability with her shield
Baptiste - Immortality field and verticality to rival kiriko
Lucio - Speed Boost and Boop
Mercy - Damage Boost and Rez
Zenyatta - Minus 20% HP to the enemy tank (because f*ck you)
Lifeweaver - Rescue (for your inting tank) and platform (because granny can't get up the stairs in time)
All of these define the playstyle of the hero to a way higher degree than their healing (except maybe Moira) and that's without mentioning their ultimates.
Aw heck yeah I'm super here for Frogger
With Lucio's speed boost usually I'll pay attention to my tank to track when they want to engage/disengage and use it then. If you just use speed boost when you want to engage, well your team just won't follow through. Sometimes it is really frustrating to see an ana your team could easily run down, but more often than not it's better you just support your tank when they try to engage instead of trying to engage yourself.
I forgot if it was this video or another one in the series, but the best thing I learned from this series was definitely that I could turn off chat so I could enjoy the game and ignore all the toxicity!
The stream chat when they guy said yellow song wen crazy
Everything about this video is perfect
I can understand the reaction to ball and sombra because they are so hard to play around. Lucio is the least offensive hero in the game
Try Doomfist, i'd love to see it as a Doom main.
Whenever I play Lucio or Zenyatta and die quickly for making a simple mistake that I can correct myself next time.
My teammates would say “Lucio/Zenyatta throwing, gg,” so on and so forth. They even give up and continue to be a keyboard master in the chat.
However I constantly try to focus on what I can focus and play the way I wanted to.
Lucio and Zenyatta are still my favorite hero’s to play and I will always be playing them. No matter how much I must suffer, cause I would rather suffer, learn, adapt and succeed, instead of giving up and complaining.
I think it would be super cool if you learned Winston because he seems different than other tanks, you cant just get out in the front line, and start getting kills, its a slower process, and tbh I dont see that many Winston players anymore.
I’m sorry that you had to go through that
Yellow song is fucking hilarious
_pls use yellow song_
A free hug to anyone with the right answer: what's necessary on pro teams and hated by the community (which can't rotate maps, kite skills neither stop bodyshooting Widow from a static position)?
I haven’t seriously played Lucio since OW1, but it’s always been like this between Gold, Plat, and Diamond. With no quantifiable number to attach to speed boost you just get flamed unfortunately
Da king is back baby he neva miss
Yooooo 1st svb is so kekw
It’d be cool to see you learn Doom!
I started playing OW around season 14. Climbed up to plat with Lucio, dipped straight down to silver from most gold/plat throwing games, even when i'd switch off lucio.
5:12 “Cotton creator”
Dva is very misunderstood, and I’d love a learning journey video for her.
For this series after Lineweaver I hope the next hero you do is genji. I would like to see genji because I feel it can make an interesting video.
Exactly this. Unfortunately Lúcio is not that fun anymore. Unironically I have more fun playing Brig these days. I love Lúcio and still play him, specially in arcade or deathmatch just to chill, but in normal games I don't pick him that often anymore. And now with the changes to Brig, I'll probably play her even more.
In OW, the only way to not get flamed playing support, is to have higher healing numbers than the other teams. When thats the case, the tank and dps players start flaming each other. I could easily have 15k plus healing a match, but that doesn’t mean we’ll win. Sometimes, a confirmed kill is way more valuable than healing. Healing a player through a duel that they’re going to lose because the other player is just better, instead of helping them kill that player is a good example. Now its a trade, instead of you’re dead and the Tracer recalls and we’re down one. People legit hate dying in this game, but its ok as long as you win the team fight.
People never believe me when i talk about how horrible it can be being a lucio player, im glad you're showing it in this video Edit: 4:55 this happened towards the end of overwatch 1. lol
Eskay posted something similar the other day. There's just more impactful supports to play right now
valid teammate reaction
"One of the world's best Lucio players"
OK IS IT ESKAY OR FROGGER?
_"live with speed, die mid beat"_
Bro. I'm watching this after I got GM only playing Lúcio, and this was precisely the experience I had, wth.
Stay strong #LucioMafia
jeeeeeeeeeeeeeez
I suppose this isn't the case in eu servers (mid gold-plat rn but was up to high diamond...in ow1...but still, I got the idea of what to do) or not to this degree counting how things went perfectly fine with me being able to only do rein as tank sym as dps and lucio as support
This is a prime example of why the scoreboard did more bad than good people just pull it up and think low healing=throwing I had a game yesterday on zen where I got hard blamed for losing because I had 10k healing and our ana had 12k even though I had more damage and elims than both my dps combined and as someone who plays those types of characters like zen lucio brig and sometimes mercy stuff like that happens way to often and I’m in masters 3 people are just stupid at all ranks not just the low ones
3:00 a support asking another support to be a healer? That's crazy
Being a Lucio main has made my mental unbreakable
great vid, you should do Rein next. He's been through so much over the years.
would've been better to do that last season...the -50 armor is quite painful