Audiophile surge protectors
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- Опубликовано: 15 окт 2024
- It can be important to protect your audio system from surges and spikes but in so doing, we can often make worse the way they sound. How to get an audiophile surge protector without spending a lot of money. The Audiophile's Guide, and its companion Reference Audio disc. Together, you can make magic. www.psaudio.co...
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"Surging audiophiles, we need protecting from them", You read my mind.
I was the lightning hardening guru for the IT Field Services department at the large electric utility I recently retired from, and my most important takeaway is to stop lightning at the service entrance. If the surge gets past the breaker box it will induce destructive transients where you would never have guessed.
I used a 500 KHz oscillator and a selective level meter with a loopstick pickup to hunt down the path lightning would take when it struck the tower. Many times I found paths that amazed me; at one site the aluminum cable tray was as hot as a firecracker because it was fastened to the steel ceiling every few feet with allthread. Putting shoulder washers at the hanging points finally stopped the once or twice a year that I had to go replace smoked parts... _expensive_ smoked parts. Another site had over $40,000 damage to one piece of equipment. That was nearly a quarter of the equipment's total cost.
The most common problem is ground loops. Ideally, we could eliminate every ground loop and any old sacrificial surge protector would do it. In reality, ground loops are almost everywhere, and even appear in many new houses. Just kill the demon at the service entrance.
For American readers, it would help to understand the National Lightning Code (NFPA document 780) is only concerned with life and fire safety.
www.nfpa.org/codes-and-standards/all-codes-and-standards/list-of-codes-and-standards/detail?code=780
The EU has a much more comprehensive system that defines different levels of protection that include electronic equipment. For audiophiles, it all boils down to one thing: a "whole house" surge protector installed by a qualified electrician. If you do it yourself and don't find the best ground (in a lightning sense) to connect it to you will not be happy.
Best is to keep the surges away to begin with. Proper grounding (only ONE ground for the entire building), make sure there's no ground loops, proper shielding, oversized conductors, reducing the number of interconnected systems, proper use of isolation transformers are a great place to start.
With real lightning, only unplugging your equipment will work. Native Floridian here and I've seen plenty of lightning damage over the years.
In my rack there's a Furman isolation transformer/voltage regulator which keeps things calm. BUT I have no illusions. It will work for typical power co foulups, but you aren't stopping lightning.
Welcome to the 2020 NEC where surge protection devices type 1 or 2 is required for all rework and new builds. Type 1 = at power meter and type 2 = load center (breaker panel). We have Eaton CHSPT2ULTRA which were added to both of our 200A panels. They have some of the better specs for whole house SPD's. They type 3 SPDs that Paul is talking about are located at the device / outlet.
Maybe “$300 or $400” is a special price for Paul’s RUclips subscribers, on the $749 Dectet?
I was going to ask the same thing
Ha!!! I went to check too.
Sign me up for two!
I bought the dectet and it’s awesome
I want the pricing Paul is getting for that as well for the Dectet!
"Dont get the long extension strips because they are deadly to sound quality". So what about the long wires inside your wall then?
I just got a power conditioner, and I can confirm that the conditioner has a massive impct on the sound. Now I just have my noisy computer and TV plugged into the conditioner which takes care of the noise while keeping my audio components plugged into the wall. Best of both worlds.
For pro applications I have been using SurgeX products. They use an inductor instead of MOVs. They are expensive but the protection is great.
Hello, the post is a few years old but what product did you go with? Surge protection only or power filtering?
I just invested in two APC whole house surge protectors at the incoming circuit box. Not one but two.
What is their clamping voltage though? What people don't realize is that most MOV-based whole-house surge protectors don't even start to clamp voltage until somewhere between 600v and 900v. Well, if it doesn't even start to protect you until then...the damage is already done by the time they react. This is why the inductance-based, series-mode surge protectors offer so much more protection as they cut off any and all voltage that goes above about 140v. Once a surge or a spike gets to anything above 330v damage is likely being done to anything in the home that has sensitive electronics in it.
I use Brick Wall surge protectors that l bought years ago. They don't use MOV technology They are the size of a small toaster, so size might be a concern. But might be worthwhile checking out
Myself, I use these power blocks and strips by AEG, which is kind of like an industrial brand of electronics, but you can definitely get home-purpose stuff. - The thing is, they're of higher quality than your average consumer-grade stuff, with better build, thicker cables, protection and some conditioning. - Also, when I say "strip", they're not very long ones and have few spots for devices. - Like I have this block for my computer that has 3 spots, which works out nicely for a PC, a monitor, and one I opted to put an extension for small devices into. - I also have another small strip that I use for my guitar amplifier and pedals, as well as one for the Hi-Fi stuff.
Now, as far as sound-quality goes; I don't know and I don't really care. - I imagine it might help a little, but as long as nothing sounds inherently wrong, like noise or anything, it's good. - As for the cost; They're a bit more expensive than the "brandless" stuff, but one of those blocks or strips would range from 40 to 70 Dollars or something, but not into the hundreds. - I've used them for years and they're still going. - If you'd want something more than that, I suppose a company like Furman would have good options that are yet a bit more expensive but not stupidly expensive.
I use a Chang Light speed surge protector for my system. Seems to work very well. When we do get the rare summer monsoon thunderstorm in the desert, I just unplug my system completely from the wall outlet. As a native of Florida, we always unplugged things during daily thunderstorms. Had quite a lot of damage over the years in my parents home from lightening.
Never liked MOVs. As a recording, mix engineer they affect your headroom if your gear needs the juice. Furman moved on from MOVs years ago and now use SMPs. Better solution. Also prefer their units that reduce current compression. About as close as you can get plugged directly into outlets with protection. Just my take on it. Did extensive listening tests. If you need protection check them out.
im looking at the PST-8 as a solution for now until maybe a future upgrade, but I really do not see spending more than this unless I need a larger Furman power unit. I am only looking for the non-MOV tech, and conditioning in the least expensive option out there. No way would I consider this guys Dectet at near $800 just because he has $250 in their special outlets unless I had a $50k system (and it still seems like an insane ridiculous price for what that is). Thanks!
Years ago I found the Zero Surge brand , which is affordable , does the job, has no effect on the sound quality . They do not degrade over time , use no MOV's & have virtually no limit to the amount of surge energy they will stop . Failproof . Website has an impressive list of commercial ,governmental & military customers . Mine cost me $199.00 . Two outlet heavy black box . Satisfied customer.
I use a very similar product from SurgeX that's also based on inductors instead of MOVs. I've spoken to Paul about this and he's not a fan of those because he says that they add impedance and that impacts sound quality in your audio system. Personally, I'm willing to give up a small amount of my sound quality to get the FAR higher level of protection for my expensive equipment that my series-mode, non-sacrificial, inductance-based SurgeX surge protection device provides.
why would a power strip be "deadly" to sound quality?
Thx I didn't no that . I just recently bought some emotiva amps with my marantz receiver was looking for some protection. And was looking at a power conditioner. U said the thing you sell is 3 or $400 .. what is your web site sir ?
You meant $749 !
Brennenstuhl makes adapters with surge protection. The small ones for € 10,-- you can plug into the wall and then plug in your device (I use these for my WLAN adapters) and the bigger ones have multiple Plugs, are € 15,-- and come with an HF-Filter and I use it for my stereo, which works perfectly fine. I used the big one for my PC for years w/o any problems, but I got one of the Amazon Basics UPS's now. These come with surge protection as well, I just don't need a UPS for my Hifi system, otherwise you could use that as well. If you have frequent power outages, with on/off toggling of the power, even your amp and your speakers might be happy about this. :)
P.S.: could it be, that Amazon links are not allowed here ? ;)
Mov/Varistors are fun. A 180VAC varistor protects you from a little surge. When lightening strikes and 6000VDC gets put across a Varistor you get to see where the varistor was not where it is. And your highfi equipment the same.
Surge suppressors do not protect from direct lightning strikes, that has to be a lightning protection system that draws the strike and conducts it directly to ground, generally with the elements of the system blow apart on the way. Surge suppressors cap the voltage spike from currents induced by nearby lightning, striking arcs, induction switching, etc. by opening a parallel path from hot to neutral that doesn't go through the equipment.
I use a surge protector that is a large block and costs like $400. It's not like the kind in the store that burns out. As these large surge protectors I use shouldn't ever wear out, and supposedly they are better for sound compared to the cheap strips from the store.
Are you referring to ZeroSurge brand?
Look into the Polish Company Gigawatt, who makes some very good power filter/strips, with 6 sockets. It doesen’t effect the sound as your regular “Audio/hi-fi strip”, i promise. It also build like a tank, and checks for polarity and has the needed protection for your system. Doesen’t come cheap, but it’s best solution iv’e ever tried. Mine is: Gigawatt PF-2 Happy listening. Cheers from Denmark
Sounds like a good brand but still one heck of a price. Does the cheaper Gigawatt PF-1e also do the job?
I had a Onkyo M504 in the 90’s burn from lightning no surge protector, learned my lesson.
a Dectet power bar at 750$US a unit ?
How about showing me with a scope the difference with a 30$power bar?
Equipment with well designed power supply should alleviate most councerns.
I would assume noise loops are much more trouble than anything else when power distribution is discussed.
I purchased the dectec in November of 2020 for $499 and now it is $749. That’s a big markup in 4 months!
15 years ago, my DIY MOV based surge protector managed to "save" my entire second system after a local lightning strike. Only the MOVs blew and it blew dramatically - like a 22 long rifle round fired indoors - and the new replacement MOV only cost me around 5 USD.
About 20 yrs ago a local strike fried my DVD player and I've been a lot more careful ever since. By a good protector for the stuff you care about. For my nice guitar amp I unplug when I'm not using.
What is this Deck Tech you talk about?
Very much appreciate your thoughts as always Paul! Cheers
You never explained what is the bad. Correct, it is not the MOV, it is added resistance and impedance. More so by the 15 amp circuit breaker than the loose fitting outlets, and 18 gauge wire would add as total resistance losses. The circuit breaker is there to open the line when the MOV shorts out an overvoltage condition.
I hate to be this person... but even with the most unkind speaker load (let's say one that dips down to a 2.5 ohm highly reactive load in the bass region), plus a large room and high output levels, the power strip the amplifier is connected to won't matter. Unless the amplifier has grossly inadequate filter capacitance in the power supply, a very small amount of added impedance on the primary (like from a cheap power strip) will be neither measurable nor audible in a fair listening test.
If I'm using an amplifier as a signal generator, then an undersized power cord is both a performance impairment and a potential fire hazard. In a home stereo application, most amplifiers operate at relatively low levels most of the time. Furthermore, when they do operate at high levels, it's for very brief pulses during a bass transient- that's what those big filter caps are for.
Supra has power blocks with triple surge protectors, and two outputs for amplifiers, and the rest of the outputs are a bit more RFI filtered. And they also have some that have DC filter built in.
I am using md0-8 but struggling with positioning for two monos pre an source…I was thinking about md01, do you know how it sounds ? Also I have a little emi filter on my diy pre, that I would like to remove,I think they sum up.
They make receptacle surg protectors for about $25.00 (Surge Protector Receptacle with Grounding Indicator, Child Safe, Tamper-Resistant, Self-Grounding, 900 Joules, 2-Pole, 15A 125V, UL Listed)
Paul, is the Furman SS-6B-PRO a good choice for a voice over talent or would a surge protector with good EMI RFI be better?
In a perfect world with a perfect grid and maximum home electrical installation a simple surge protector would work. However my grid voltage varies from 110 to 130 depending on area demand. Most homes have a ground system with the code minimum grounding and most electricians do code minimum instead of giving customers the maximum. I use an ac line conditioner, I set up my home electrical system with lightning arrestors whole house surge protector and I have 6 ground rods to give me a ground rod resistance of .11 ohms. I also have a lightning arrester system on my roof. I have yet to see a man's pants fall wearing a belt and suspenders.
You are likely already aware of this but having multiple grounding rods in your home is actually a really bad idea and a potentially very dangerous one. It can end up defeating the entire purpose of even having a "safety ground" on your equipment (the third pin on your AC plug) in the first place: to trigger your breaker to trip in the event of a short. It is actually illegal and considered to be a serious code violation in most areas for that exact reason.
Would the PS Audio power plant still work if I plug in my hi-fi gear AS WELL AS two computers, a monitor and a television?
So how exactly does a "long" extension strip ruin sonic quality? Can you measure it? Can you even explain the theory? This is not scientific advice. This is nonsense.
Agreed
Agreed again. Would like to hear a scientific explanation how surge protectors adversely affect hi fi equipment sound quality. Bonus if you can back that explanation with test documentation.
I highly recommend you use 24 strand Twin Core Cable for your speaker cables.
It’s all coper wire at the end of the day…
This is good info. I was rather skeptical of those 'power conditioners.'
It's funny that it used to be PS audio's entire business
As a consequence of plugging in a a surge protector into an outlet, all outlets on the circuit become protected to a certain extent. You don’t even need to plug directly into the surge protection device. The extent of protection of a given piece of equipment is dependent on the electrical distance from the surge protection device.
@Paul Seymour The devices I was referring to a akin to the wall plug type. Even some surge protection devices that are targeted to professional audio aren’t much different. They just use more or bigger MOVs than you would find in a consumer grade surge protector. Lower end Furman devices come to mind. The exception would be any line reactors in series between the source and the equipment to be protected. The reactance and mutual inductance would inhibit protection of devices upstream.
Wouldn't it make sense to take cheap line strip and replace cable?
One thing I could never get my head around is surge protectors. Why do we need them in the first place? Doesn't the electronic equipment have fuses? Isn't that the same type of protection?
No, fuses blow slowly, they do not handle a surge.
PS Audio once made a nice product called the Juice Bar which I would recommend, now discontinued, but I don’t think it had surge protection.
Check my comments to help all.
why are power boards deadly to high end audio?
My first thought when I saw just the headline: is this about pills to protect people against surges of audiophilia? If these pills work, it's not good for PS Audio and others selling high-end audio stuff 😁
Only take half a pill man; these things are so strong I had to go back to mono until I recovered
@@dougbulldog9947 Lol 😁
Why are their no ETL or UL labels on PS crap? Can't meet any NRTL specs? Cus it's crap
What are your thoughts on Using a UPS, Like an APC-1500, I have always plugged my gear into this and never heard any noise.
@Paul Seymour Thanks Paul, Going to link the one friends and I use. We are all in IT we refresh these every couple of years, new batteries cost little over a 100 bucks can't see why these should go to waste. Keep all the voltage steady no spikes or brownout or the dreaded flickers.
www.apc.com/shop/us/en/products/APC-Smart-UPS-1500VA-LCD-120V-with-Network-Card-Not-for-sale-in-CO-VT-or-WA-/P-SMT1500NC
Very nice price in US. In Portugal is 950,00 €! Equivalent to $1153,86.. insane pricing where for PS Audio products 😬
Try look Gigawatt up 👀 6 socket strip, with a kind of power filter build i, and polarity Detection. No audio get's lost on these. Other products also can help, but i'm very goob smacked about their products. But there is others out there 😉
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Thank you Paul, how about the use of smart plugs?
I have a smart plug it's great, but keep in mind they have a limit to how much power you can pass through, so I would not use it for amplifiers. I use it for lights, it's cheaper to set a automatic plan with the plug than buy smart lights.
I do whole house Intermatic made in America then surge protected outlet with a quality power strip. In Florida it’s absolutely necessary with all our lightening. Did all this damage my music nope it doesn’t alter the sine wave so if Paul hears a negative difference good I don’t. The code for lightening protection is to use at least 2 in tandem and make sure your house ground is up to code with double ground rods also. That’s most important.
What do you mean when you say double ground rods? You NEVER put more than ONE grounding rod in a home.
Alternatively try a residual current device perhaps, eg ABB's switched socket outlets CRS113 and CRS213.
Other problem is that, many of these devices lock the audio into a very certain direction.
When you are at Home depot pick up a $20 hospital grade wall outlet instead of the rebranded $50 he sells. There's always well made and not so much; even in power strips.
I'm always surprised that people save a couple of dollars buying those cheaper outlets, unless they don't know the difference. I guess a lot of them are so the contractors also.
I can't help but notice that Paul is going on and on about the impact of a cheap power strip, yet fails to do anything about the mic noise in this video.
I can't image that it would be to hard to make one. Looks like I found my next project. Wife walks in as I'm typing this, reads my comment and say's "Next? Why don't you try finishing the 10 other ones you started and haven't finished first!"
Does it matter what quality of power chord goes from the Dectet to the wall?
Jawohl.
If you use a Rogue Audio, battery operated amplifier, you will be the only one able to play music when there is a major power outage. All your apartment neighbors will think there must be power, and that their apartment only, is the problem. That scurrying around upstairs is them looking for fuses.
where the HELL is he talking about PS Audio Dectet being $200-300?!?!!? they SEVEN HUNDRED DOLLARS everywhere I can find. wtf
Why not go battery powered? Lithium in particular?
New Technics streamer/DAC unit are designed with a "virtual battery" in mind. Danny Richie from GR research runs his stuff off grid with battery.
I like my powerquest 3 a lot, it was $300 with 8 outlets. We had a tree come down on some power lines during a storm, the transformer was burning in the road for a good long time. It fried my amp and bluesound node.
Hopefully someone at PS Audio can answer this. I have one of your electrical outlet filter/surge protectors. I'm not home right now so I don't know the model number, but I think it's the only type PS Audio ever made. My question is does that thing have a life span? How long is it good for, barring a nearby lightning strike? Mine is about 10 years old. Still working.
I ask because I will be selling the house it is installed in and I wonder if it's worth the effort to take it out of the wall and maybe use it again at the new house.
Give them a call.
I don't own any P.S audio gear but I have called them with product questions.
They were very helpful
@@60zeller yeah, I know. I'm at work right now, though. Maybe I'll call at lunch tomorrow. I was hoping someone at PS Audio would answer before then.
what value ceramic capacitor needed to short out radio frequencies picked up or generated by power lines AM or FM?
Most of the phono preamps and line level preamps use ceramic capacitors shunted to the ground in order to make rf rectification less audible / inaudible are usually rated at 100 to 150 picofarads.
I wonder if a power plant solves this so I don't need additional stuff?
Not in my area. We have a large cattle milking operation on our grid. They installed digesters to pull out the methane before sending the solid waste out for fertilizer. The gas is used to power a generator that sells the eletricity back to the power company. We now have large surges that did not exist before. I have surge protection at the panel
Yes, a PS Audio Power Plant will. I have a P15, but I still play it smart and unplug during a heavy storm with lighting.
Panamax has a line of audio surge protectors that are reputable. I have two different sizes to match the current draw and cannot hear any affect on sound quality.
Which Panamax protectors and what HiFi equipments do you have?
The M5300-PM for the living room which involves the theater system plus and the MR4000 for the smaller dedicated listening system room.
As a side note, last spring the house was hit by lightening. Lost a couple of appliances and electric gadgets however all the audio equipment and TVs were not affected. Not necessarily proof but gotta wonder if it was a factor.
@@dennisw4654 Panamax are know for their home theatre power conditioners. The M5300-PM is a good unit with 2 high current for amps or receivers. I would feel comfortable using it for my HT as well. For your HiFi, the MR4000 will work as a power strip with surge protection for source components but I wouldn’t plug anything that draws high current like power amps into it. Since they protected your system from a lightning strike, that’s more important than any sonic improvements.
Furman, Brennenstuhl, Taga Harmony, Supra, Isotek, iFi, Audioquest, Gigawatt, Oyaide, Oehlbach they all make good surge protectors, almost all having products ranging from close to $100 up to a few hundred, depending on quality and number of sockets. Prefer one with seperate cable. You might want to replace it with a better one. Compromising the audio quality? Nah
Very useful information. Thank you.
Just install a whole house surge protector in your main power switch box, problem solved. In amateur radio We use regulated external DC power supplies it’s voltage regulator, and enormous power transformers, 40 pounds in my 50 Amp Astron, takes care of surges.
Great if you own your home. But many of us are apartment dwellers and renters. We need non-invasive devices.
I had the power company put one of those behind my meter.
Didn't read the fine print.
Transformer blew, sending a big surge to my home, destroying Central air unit. Since it is hard-wired, it wasn't covered.
Since it was during a major storm, I had unplugged my stereo, tv, computer and fridge..luckily!
What a crock!
So did I waste my money on the Tripp Lite ISOBAR Ultra? I know it's a surge protector that has some(?) line conditioning?
NO
yep lol
No, I believe that’s the item Paul was talking about.
I use them everywhere. It also does a great job cleaning the signal. Make sure you use a high quality cable.
can someone send me a photo how I can best connect thanks
Audio power strips with a surgent price tag, really Works in many ways as projecting power, voltage, No interefference with the sound and u will be protected in many ways. But there is not many valid products out there, who does it all. But if your ready to pay some amount of cash, i would recommend the Polish brand: Gigawatt. They made a magnificent Power strip Called PF-2
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Audioquest PQ3. Or Niagara series if you want the really good stuff.
Paul what are your thoughts on something a bit more upscale than just a power strip. Something like furmanpower.com/product/15a-power-conditioner-with-lights-voltmeter/ I live in a rural area and suffer from brown outs and lots of bad weather that causes power outages. Just got one of your Stellar S300 and don't what it to get damaged.
Agreed,
Way too many products unduly limit peak current capability, which is exactly what your amps need.
If you're concerned about surges, lightning etc, employ a multi-tiered approach utilizing parallel surge protection at your meter/panelboard, and point of use. SurgeX make high amperage non-sacrificial series mode protection.
Moving up in quality/price, Torus makes superb balanced power, isolation transformers with surge protection and adequate low impedance supply of current.
Correct me if I am wrong but aren't the power suppies of products supposed to condition the incoming AC power?
Yes, you are wrong. They don’t provide protection against massive power surges.
@@edthefirst2859 I understand that but I'm talking about power conditioners not surge protection
“Deadly” to the sound.
hmmm...... makes me curious, are there audiophile circuit breakers?
if not , i am sure that there is a fortune to make, with the right marketing , of course. :)
There are audiophile fuses my friend, $100 each. Synergistic orange, for instance
@@edthefirst2859 ok, thanks for the info
Check out Panamax. I’ve been using them since the early 90s.
What can you do, if you have heard that a 5 bucks Home Depot surge protector is ALLEGEDLY bad for sound? Well, you could spend 5 bucks on a Home Depot surge protection and try it out. If you cannot hear a difference, the Home Depot solution is perfect for you. I do not see how Paul could help with this...
What about the furman SS-6B? Would that lower the quality of my sound?
@@Yiannis2112 ok thanks
With just 540 joules rating, anything over $15 offers more surge protection than the SS-6B.
@@wenc8796 sorry you lost me. I don’t know what joules are. Are you saying this furman is not good enough? Right now I’m using the APC SurgeArrest P11U2 and need to replace it cause it’s defective. Is this one better than the furman? This furman is on a couple of top 5 or 10 lists on the internet and furman is a really good brand.
@@wenc8796 ok I've been doing some reading and read that more joules is better. So why is this furman only 514 joules? It's like I'm looking at a BMW but the handling rating is low. Isn't furman one of the best names in surge protection?
@@velocci6666 : To me, Furman is more pro audio like Pyle and Crown. I am sure they make great products too but just not my first choice when it comes to HiFi.
Thank you 🙏🏼
Great answer👏
ifi ac ipurifier, stops surges as well
run the system on battery power and the whole threat disappears, and, outside the realm of surge protectors, lightning rods the original solution to the most common cause of surges
My big giant UPSs sure kicked on when the power went off, this was made obvious when they began beeping every 30s LOL made listening to my favorite LPs a nuisance and I couldn’t even power a hot plate.
I have an extra pure sine-wave UPS from a computer power rack that I have been contemplating moving into my Audio rack, but wasn't sure the effect on sound quality. Given that I haven't noticed any degradation in using a nicer quality Belkin surge strip, I am not sure if it matters. My other concern was power rating through the UPS, it is rated for 1500 watts, but that is enough for my receiver only, not that I ever crank it enough to use that much power.
@@Zardnokalicious my system in its current state isn’t resolving enough for it to matter at all, yes whatever seems to keep my amps from doing any more harm than I already cause by trying to fix them LOL
@@Zardnokalicious Pure sine wave UPS should be fine. I use one. Pretty sure the actual power consumed by a regular receiver is not 1500 Watts!! Check it, i'd be surprised if it pulled 200 Watts.
Come on now Paul, you know full well there are a number of excellent companies that do surge protection and do not affect the sound quality - Furman PS-8 being among the best, but also SurgeX.
You keep saying Home Depot and YT will take your monetization away for advertising in your video. Ask Tom Scott.
Paul doesn't do to make money. Notice the low amount of advertising. Besides, YT will warn first.
@@Mark-lq3sb The reason I mention Tom Scott is because he did a video on this yesterday. In the EU (and to a slightly lesser degree on You Tube) this would be really close to an endorsement of Home Depot. That's why you are seeing more and more videos with logo's blurred out and generic names used even by smaller content creators. A stupid soda can in the background and you can lose your video's monetization because are advertising a product. 1984 (the book) will have nothing on 2021
and big tech.
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I agree with you, but my point was...
All the ads you see here are put there because YT wants to make money, not PS Audio. Notice there are no ads during the video. When this channel started there were no ads. After subscriptions began to build YT then put ads at the start of videos, *but not every video which surprises me.* PS Audio/Paul doesn't need the revenue. Paul does this simply because he wants to, not because he's depending on this to help pay bills, like most RUclipsrs.
Have a whole house surge protector in the breaker box and an APC H15 for my equipment
I am a huge fan of Paul’s! Actually sitting reading his guide the now. But I have to say his recommendation is not the best I’ve heard from him. Ask your electrician to install surge protection into your home mains power consumer unit. It’ll cost you 100 bucks! This will have to detrimental whatsoever. Then you’re whole house will be protected. I have a dedicated CU for audio and it has surge built in.
Even though most people don't realize it, relying on just a whole-house surge protector alone is actually a very bad idea. Here's why. Most of those have a let-through voltage of around 600v. That's a full 270v higher than that recommended UL "safe-zone" maximum voltage of 330v for sensitive home electronics - the exact point where most individual device surge protectors start to clamp and apply their protection. Yes, you want to have a whole-house surge protector installed at your service panel, no question about it. But you always want to take a tiered or layered approach to the concept of surge protection in your home and put individual surge protection devices on each of your high-value electronic devices in your home as well.
I still use an old Monster HTS3500 mkll.
The idea that a power strip can effect the sound in an audio system is absolute nonsense. Wire is wire if it's in your wall or in the strip, as long as it's rated to handle the load that's all that matters.
Most reasonable people would come to this conclusion, but audiophiles are rather particular about such matters. I'm sure one of them will take offence to this. They'll argue that cables will pick up RF or EMI if not properly done.
@@charlessailer4580 Paul is an engineer, he shouldn't be spreading ideas that aren't based in physics. A power strip doesn't generate any signals, if there are high frequency signals on your power lines, powerline Ethernet for example, they will be filtered out by the power supply. The power strip is no different than the power cord or the wall wiring, it can't have any effect.
Audioquest Powerquest. I got three.
Does not help if u dont have ur socket grounded. There are so many ppl who use them without any grounding. Waste
@@chriss881000 That's true.
@@thegrimyeaper it rly sucks for me, bec I have a rental, and it is so many rules of just ground one socket in one room, not leagal. And I have a system worth about 20.000$ im so afraid something would happen to it😩
@@chriss881000 Unplug when there's lightning, you'll be fiiiine. :)
@@thegrimyeaper trust me I do, if I see more than one dark sky in the heavens at summer, I rush to plug them out😅 but im still worried about surges 😬
Although it is common to call those devices "surge protectors", they are not surge protectors. Rather, they are surge suppressors.
"Surge Protector" implies that you are protecting surges, when in fact, these devices suppress the surges.
It is common to call a stylus a needle, when it is not a needle.
My point is not to expect that everyone stop calling these devices by the wrong description of their function. My point is informational, for anyone that wants to not use the wrong term.
It would be helpful if influential people with engineering degrees would not mislabel them.
Cheers!
wait I thought dectet had MOV
Look at surge protectors for RVs there are many types and are excellent quality
In my 47 years, I have never experienced that equipment are destroyed by high current surge. It is not really a big risk for it to happen. And it was more dangerous the time we had wired telphones, and antennas for Televisions. The power lines are not the first the lightning want to follow. It will follow something that goes to ground first and foremost.
700+ now for the Dektet…. Thats a lot of money 😮
Hey Paul like the audiophile mask I have audiophile toilet paper and my farts sound better. Cmon Paul. Your messin up
SurgeX is what I use
I have a Gigawatt power conditioner after a power surge in my house this saved my $250K system just buy one
Never had a power surge in my $200k house. You need to get a better house !
Great video , Thanks. In my experience , The wall mount surge protector made bad influence on sound quality, As the better Audio equipment you have - this wall mount goes worse. But it's only my opinion. If you have really high end kit - go buy excellent protector ( Ps Audio / Furman / AudioQuest )
Tripp-Lite Isobar wall mount.
Here we go again!
I use Brick Wall's audio model
I certainly confirm -- Dectet is excellent and gives cleaner sound ( reduces noise/ dirt from power supply). Also confirm that cable AudioWave 5 makes further improvement. Now saving for Power Plant