Australia's population: How big is too big? Australia 2050 (part 1) | 7.30
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- Опубликовано: 15 окт 2018
- How is Australia’s burgeoning population affecting the way we live?
In part one of a three-part series, Andy Park takes a look at the sprawling suburbs.
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There's a reason we all live in small cities by the coast. The middle of Australia is not habitable for large groups.
So far, the only comment that's true and makes sense.
Look up Allan Savory and SLM Group
Ever heard of VEGAS?
@@dennis771 umm las Vegas gets it's water from Colorado River that also suppys most of southern Californias water needs same can't be said for central Australia.
same goes to dubai😉🙌
trust Australia to upload in 480p >_<
the nbn, everyone
Made my day.
Don't no what you said but seems like tryna make joke.
don't forget the lack of subtitles and other shit
I like the ABC but they really need to understand graphic resolution. Anyone watched ABC on demand? X) what a joke! Even on a Sh!thole internet connection you can watch 1080p LOL! Hey ABC compression technology is a thing HAHAHA. And I'm here with NBN fibre and 4K and they are friggin last century FFS!
Liberals
Australia has a serious water shortage which will only get worse as the population grows or the climate changes, high immigration is not improving the standard of living for the average Aussie
Try what Singapore is doing? Turning seawater to freshwater? With the energy the sun provides Australia every day, there is enough energy to produce drinking water for everyone.
No worries. Desalination can provide water. Australia can expand upto 500 million to billion people since it is a big continent.
To what purpose and to what benefit? Despoil our lovely coastline to desalinate water for the benefit of foreigners.
Dams are useless without rain. I don't want our rivers destroyed for the benefit of foreigners.
Not true. 60-75% of the water in the northern Australia is wasted in the rain session by flooding unused to the ocean or vaporates on the dry land. Using cisterns and catcher Roofs would increase the Fresh water to half a Billion Liters and could be enough for 1 to 2 Million inhabitants there. But we have to stop also to use up most water for cattles and sheep and make greenhouses and shadowhouses.
These new houses are soulless dumps with no craftsmanship or style.
danny taylor so true
If we look at all the super power's on Earth, they all shared one characteristic: huge population base.
U.S.A has 300M, France has like 80M, Briton has like over 100M, not to mention China or Japan(100M), you need this basic population numbers to be a super power.
@@honkai8692 Australia doesn't wanna be a super power, we want super healthy forests and people
The new ghettos, of Melbourne like criminal springs...oops I meant to say caroline springs...lol
@@davidandrews1783 it all starts in our own backyards
theres a 20 year waiting list for government housing unless your from overseas .
@@AnitaCripps Define Aussie, because it seems that anyone can be "Aussie" these days. Are they Aussies whose family has been in the country since before Australia even was a county, or are they "Aussies" who are first or second generation migrants who have no real history there?
you look like a truck
btw you were in out school presentation sorry
I bet you play fortnite
you know the game Roblox, yeah its a game.
In Australia, one kid is knocked down every 11 minutes.
And he's sick of it.
Well maybe he should grow some balls and fight ?
As an American still living in the States (Colorado), this was fascinating to watch. The similarities are startling. It would seem Australia, like the US, does indeed have the space. What we don’t have, particularly here in the American West, is the water for all the projected population growth. Water is truly our Achilles heel.
You have sooooo much water in comparison though and yours is not sustainable so ours is certainly not.
It is very very dry here.
We have NO space. The joint is a desert!
Space counts for nought. Moreover, all this so called space is already occupied -- by other species.
Time to leave them alone.
Hello Charles,
Stumbled across the ABC's two clips, 'How Big is Too Big', and your concerns about water being the "Achilles Heel" for the survival of any species of animals and birds, let alone extraordinarily voracious humans is indisputably vital. Since those programs ran (not sure exactly when that was as it only gives 4 years ago, rather than Dec 20, 2022) the whole southeast of Australia went from severe droughts in some parts to receiving constant and heavy rainfalls over the past 15 months.
However, as it has been for thousands of years here in Australia, it's only a 'matter of time' before it heads into years of severe drought. But by the time the next big, and enduring drought hits southeastern Australia - experts say between 2028-30 - there will be 1.8 million more featherless bipeds occupying that sphere of the continent. Well, when that occurs will bring to bear the insanity that's been imposed upon Australia by bean-counting, economic rationalist lunatics.
Alas, Australia, unlike the US is not blessed with massive freshwater facilities i.e. Missouri, Mississippi, Colorado rivers, or the Great Lakes. Those factors are horrific enough, but the sociological aspects of transmogrification are due to drawing in people in such large numbers from an array of countries with cultures and religions that are incompatible with what was Australia's foundation.
There should be a major decrease in the number of immigrants allowed to move to Australia for a number of years until infrastructure has the chance to catch up to the growing population, and properly strategize for the future.
Also, universities need to rely less on international students.
Would give you two thumbs up if I could
Universities can't do that because Australian students are retarded. If you don't believe me then go to your local public school and find out ;)
Hayden lastname
International students do pay A LOT in tuition fees to your universities. If that revenue stream is cut off, you have to get the funding from other places, probably from the govt which ultimately is from the taxpayers.
First of all if you want to improve the infrastructure you need manpower to do so thus you need to make it easier to immigrate into the country because there's no enough supply of manpower. Immigration to Australia is super expensive only doctors, lawyers and engineers can afford it so foreign construction workers cannot make it to here and we Australians haven't been doing much. Secondly international student pays 4X the tuition fees of local students their contributions to the economy is great we need them more than they need us.
>there's no enough supply of manpower.
I don't know what country you're talking about, but here in Australia there is chronic underemployment and stagnant wage growth.
>foreign construction workers cannot make it to here
I have a mate in the CFMEU who works in construction. He would set you straight on that crock.
>Secondly international student pays 4X the tuition fees of local students their contributions to the economy is great we need them more than they need us.
When I went through uni it was completely free - no HECS no nothing. Back then it followed the Japanese model: there were a limited number of free uni spots and you had to work like hell at high school to get in. The number of spots open (medicine, engineering whatever) were based on projected needs of the economy. Worked a charm. Funny, society didn't need foreign student money back then. Everyone's got a degree here now which is completely out of sync with a services based economy with a very low tech and innovation sector. They come out of uni with mega debt and crap job prospects. Great success!! (as Borat would say lol)
People have short memories. In the early 2000's most of Australia's cities and towns faced water shortages. Lucky for us the drought broke before we ran out but if we increase our population like the government wants us to we will run out of water.
Yep bring on the collapse
No. They will make water very expensive - you'll either pay for it or die.
Come to n.z. We got shitloads of the stuff😂😂
@Olek_Gannon the fuck are you on about? Where are they doing this?
Water tanks on every property and solar panels on every roof.
People must love being stuck in traffic and standing in crowded trains.
i met a young man from Europe who tried to get an Immigration Visa for Australia....he has a trade and friends/family here in Melbourne yet he was denied.WHY? Un-educated,social service bleeders are welcomed yet people with a way to support themselves and not rely on Government hand outs are denied.....i fear the Government has a different agenda and this country is on its way to being well and truly screwed.
you only have his word as to his status. Did it occur to you he may have lied to you about why he was rejected or did the colour of his skin blind you to the possibilities?
@@meheretoday6968 You know that australia has a strict immigration process for everyone, right? Its already more stringent than the US.
Australia incentivizes immigration because its losing low skilled labour. Thats it.
@@meheretoday6968 upset that nonwhites don't belong in white countries and you hate when people catch on?
I like how they didn't address zoning legislation. Infrastructure will only do so much. If you zone badly, then it'll really blow up in your face. A lot of Australia's suburban cities are badly zoned.
We need to stop this I want to see surban houses not shitty apartments and 2 hour roads
Why do we need more people???? Crowds. Traffic. Noise. Houses in suburbia already have barely room for a fence between them. Hospital waiting. Food and water and services, jobs and transport.
It is to keep wages down and push up the value and cost of housing, so that those who own land make a huge capital gain.
If the younger and poorer members of the community can be prevented from owning their own homes, parasitic landlords can live off the rents that they are forced to pay.
Property speculators can't make big profits without population increase.
jan dostal to be a powerful nation
Don't be ridiculous!! Do you really think that China or Indonesia would care whether we have 15 million people or 60 million? If we allow our population to keep growing, we will just have a lot more very poor people living a lower living standard.
Chris Watson we will be richer and more powerful with more people.. how do you not understand economics??
"richer and more powerful with more people"?! If that was true, Bangladesh would be the richest and most powerful country on earth.
More people means we pay much more for our water supplies: desalination and sewage recycling are more expensive that water from dams. More people means living in little flats in blocks of flats, with no outdoor living space. That is a drop in living standard.
Why do you want more people? Do you have real estate investments and you want other Australians to take a drop in living standard so that you can make a bigger capital gain?
The richest countries in the world are the small ones. Switzerland, Norway, Sweden
I don’t think Australia can handle much more than double the current population.
Meanwhile the UK has more than 2.5 times our current population in the size of Victoria
Well, I think Australias max is 70-80 million past that I don't think we can handle it anymore. And water brings down that number.
@@harrb3736 the thing is Queensland alone can hold that number. So I doubt it's the upper limit. With advancing technology with desalination and solar energy, we can get double that by early 2100s
@@marcozolo3536 The thing is water supply which puts that number way back, and remember infrastructure.
@@harrb3736 as of 2021 technology yes agreed, 2121 tech, not so sure. By then we'll have billions on Mars. So it's anyone's guess. But historically speaking we've always been ultra conservative on numbers.
I even remember the 90s census saying we'd grow from 17 million to just 23 million by 2050. We are already teetering on 26 million and it's only 2021.
I don't understand, why not build a nice 3, 4 or maybe 5 storey apartment buildings with nice common gardens and enough carpark spaces ideally underground? What it is that detached houses are much more prevalent? You can accommodate twice maybe three times as much people in relatively same plot of land this way.
Exactly. The video goes on tangents about immigration instead of addressing Australia’s shit urban planning.
Couldn’t agree more. I think personal wealth has really been driven by real estate in this country for the past 50 years and that can no longer be sustained. Most people want land that will appreciate not an apartment building that will degrade over time, but we’re at an inflection point now where the population and sprawl are outweighing the benefits of suburban growth.
It's not about having babies like we used to it's about feeding the debt based monetary system we currently use. We'd have more babies if we were taxed less and worked less. Not gonna happen if we have to pay for new infrastructure for immigrants is it.
I'm sure you too use the infrastructure that you speak of, in my opinion the state and federal governments are "paying it forward" taxing a high/er amount now to invest in major infrastructure for the future.
In saying that Sydney and Melbourne last time I checked is growing at unprecedented levels and population forecasts would make any government official put emphasis on planning for the future.
I think our low birthrates are more due to our high level of development and the fact that women have more to aspire to in Australia than just pumping out kids.
Looking at fertility rates around the world it is reasonable to draw a connection to culture. If it was economic then different groups within the same economy would be similar. They are not. Are you suggesting that the baby bonus should only be available to 3rd gen?
Not to mention the inflated asset prices that debt based monetary system creates means people have to pay more to the banks for somewhere to put that family.
Yes it is.. we were 1.6 billion people roughly the year 1900.. Now we are about 8 billion.. We have increased our population 4 times in little over 100 year. Even slowing down we will double again by 2050.. Our growth is what causes global warming, mass extinction, and possibly our own demise if we don't stop. Also we will live longer and longer.
What many fail to understand is, Australia avoided recession not just once but humpty number of times because of Migration. Read further before judging me. Many think migrants come here and eat away wealth. But migration works a bit beyond this traditional way of looking at it. Australia as a society is well advanced with great civic sense, and overall a place for great quality of living that Australians built over centuries..... The new migrants (I am talking about those migrate with PR based on points based system) from fast developing countries like China, India, Malaysia are well qualified and migrate with decent savings. Reason, though their countries are fast developing and offer plenty of job opportunities, they feel their governments/politicians are unable to provide the quality of services and life compared to Australia. These high skilled migrants pay huge sum of AUD as visa fee, and add up to sectors that rely on knowledge from across globe to stay competitive. There is a difference between low cost offshoring of jobs vs creating/retaining high end services within Australia's shores. Its not without a reason Google, Microsoft, NASDAQ have created development centers (not Sales office) in Australia - because they feel Australia has everything to attract best talents not just from within Australia but also from other parts of world... These migrants don't just eat away free Medicare but also pay one of the highest taxes in the world (compare income tax rates) that also include Medicare levy :) All because, these migrants feel Australia is a great country for their children to grow and make their future. Note: I am talking about those migrate with Permanent Resident visa (please learn about Points calculator - its designed in a way win-win for both Australia's competitiveness and migrants' aspirations). I am not referring to those who come here as refugees or as students - I am neither undermining them nor appreciating them as I don't know their side of story. Just that I am a permanent resident who migrated through Points Based system, and have invested my 12yrs of savings that I made in the hope to be part of this advanced social system and beautiful country. I am not here to make ethnic enclaves or become a thief. I have much better things to do in my life :)
The world's population is several billion too many right now- we've already passed the tipping point for the planet's productivity capacity to support its current population.
6:22 the economist is correct - expect with a larger population the following: longer commutes, slow-down of wages, higher housing costs, crumbling infrastructure, in-sustainability of natural resources such as river systems, water availability, and imo, likely a chance of eventually the dismantling & privatization of the socialized medical system in approximately 15yrs, as too the likelihood of unemployment benefits being capped & time-lined. As an Australian that lives in CA, USA, I hate seeing Australia going the way of here - not a matter of if, it's when.
Not if we build up and invest in public and active transport infrastructure
The bottom line is that immigration brings housing growth but not necessarily job growth.
It puts strain on infrastructure and costs governments money.
It's not racist to call for a cut in immigration. It's realistic.
Halving the current immigration cap would be sensible.
I would immagine that one of the reasons that Melbourne has the highest rate of casual workers, is because of the amount of immigration and growth with not enough full time jobs to support it.
I've seen the changes in the last twenty years and most of them have not been for the better.
Australia was never really much of a labour-based economy, mostly just resource-based.
Though I wouldn't agree with an immigration cap. A bigger tax base provides greater means and money for solutions.
Australias problem is not with their population, its their environmental policy. The australian government invests in big coal is expense of ecosystem devastation.
@@rationalnepali9782 Ok wtf
@@unassumingaccount395 Dude, if you have an abundance of labor and lots of people needing homes, it's going to make wages lower and housing prices hire. It's basic economics.
Nothing wrong with halving immigration - it will ensure that those who do come actually get to enjoy their new home.
Many migrants have to study for their careers again, coming here. Then English is also another barrier to work.
In my opinion as a trained ecologist we surpassed the carrying capacity of Australia in the mid 20th Century. We can't take care of everyone equally and fairly already so why add more damage to the environment and society as well. Not until we've achieved the goal of capturing the endless sun energy available in this country will we be able for everyone to live comfortably with our current population. Look at the US and China populations - growth just makes more problems than society can solve. Only when the political will to keep our population in balance with the natural environment has garnered as much interest as oil, petroleum and gas companies will things change. Them and their media are the ones with vested interest to keep Australians away from the right information and facts. Good on the ABC for your great work!
Sounds like you would be a fan of chinas failed 1 child policy and their currently failing 2 child policy. Ccp influence in Australia is cancerous
What about nano technology?
We will be able to produce anything synthetically, true, life will suck, but humans can be sustained.
@Christopher Flanagan
Being an ecologist in modern times must be very depressing.
I'd imagine it's comparable to watching the Louvre burn down!
What about earth as a whole? We are like a virus and earth is having an immunological response to our destruction of it....
@@JewTube001 the one child policy failed because the future workforce will be much too small too support the retiring population that made it
The problem, in my opinion, is the fact Australia has little to no industry. Look across the developed world, almost every developed country has a substantial industrial sector, which hires a significant amount of people and generating tax revenues. So, we are forcing people to move to cities since that's where all the service jobs are located in, adding more stress to the cities already under stress infrastructure, high property price and a lack of jobs. Not to mention urban slums that could potentially form considering the fact there will never be enough service jobs available for everyone.
It's about demographics replacement to create a non-revolutionary race with no identity to the land they occupy and thus are more obedient to government direction. You are the carbon producer they want to reduce
Our industry was sent off shore after signing to the Lima agreement to help the the bongo countries
Developers and those who assert that Australia has plenty of room to grow should be given uncontrolled permission to build and populate anywhere they please so long as it's between Broken Hill and Alice Springs.
Welcome to hell, i mean suburbia
"See that guy whose English is so poor that we need to subtitle him? Yeah, let's get *that guy's* opinion on the livability of central Australia."
Well done, ABC.
LeatherCladVegan to be really honest, I wouldn’t have a clue what he was mumbling unless it were subtitled.
The only reason Australia has an extremely high mass immigration policy is to keep house prices from falling, prop up the housing industry and maintain the flow of high property related taxes for the government. Along with exporting raw materials, continuing the immigration ponzi scheme is very lucrative for the government.
They have figured out that by 2050, a one bedroom apartment within 5km of the major CDB's will be almost $4,000,000
For all types of taxes.
I moved out of Melbourne nearly 27 years ago to live in North West Tassie. At that stage Tasmania was shrinking (lack of jobs was the biggest factor) now the state is growing as fast if not (in percentage terms) faster than the other states. This isn't an overnight problem and was first spoken in the 1970s BUT the only federal government that has tried to do anything was the Whitlam Government. I remember Tony Abbott as recently as 2014 telling, no, dictating to Regional Unemployed Australians to move to the big cities where there was 'plenty of jobs' and those who did not were 'job snobs'. The density of Australian Cities is nothing when compared to most overseas countries (with apologies to Paul Hogan someone from London, Beijing, Tokyo or Sao Paulo would say "Call that overcrowding? This is overcrowding") so in my humble opinion Australia should do its bit to try to alleviate the WORLD WIDE PROBLEM by taking more people in. The advantage of taking more refugees in is that you can dictate where they will be settled.
WAY back in 1968 Paul & Anne Ehrlich warned about the spiraling increase in the world's population and the population of the world and Australia then was less than half what we have today. The most effective way of reducing population growth without culling people or any other questionable human rights acts is to educate women (both here and abroad).
Increase foreign aid SPECIFICALLY to give girls an education and to get people out of poverty and the necessity of people to have children to 'look after them in their old age'. The added advantage to lowering population is that it is also effective in reducing green house emissions as well.
However I cannot see any substantial progress as most people are far too nationalistic to see the bigger picture and although small changes can be seen as progress I fear it maybe too little too late. Nature will cull human population as it did in 2004 Tsunami. There will be much misery.
Governments are anxious for more people because it means a larger tax base. Unfortunately, governments do not understand that more population also means more roads, more schools, more transportation, more pollution and most importantly more health care. Governments seem to think that these new young migrants will pay enough taxes to cover all these new demands but, what about the increased healthcare that will be needed for this new population - they too will age and need more services. Where will that come from?
My country is also encouraging ever more population.
Carol Kelly Any person who actually gave small fuck in a 7th Grade humanities class, no more people, more resources.Get over yourself.
They are also trying to replace the work force as we have an aging population, but again the forget all the costs and the fact the jobs are going away as automation becomes more prevalent.
In Japan, they are using technology instead. They are also encouraging women to return to the workforce after having children. This is a cultural change since most Japanese women have mostly been stay-at-home moms.
I can assure you that the highly trained economists working for the government understand that more people = more infrastructure. This is an incredibly complex problem and really no one has a "correct" solution.
Should we just tell all the people who immigrate to Australia legally "no you can't come here"? If we do that how will we have enough people to support our ageing population? If we don't do that how do we build the infrastructure to support the immigrants?
I'm not saying that immigration should be stopped, just that it should not be encouraged. Australia is a country like Canda in the fact that very little of the land is habitable. But, that aside, my question was, who will support the aging population in the future. Immigrates age too. Why foist this the problem of too few workers and aging an population onto the next generation? Why not work on it now?
Increased population was the answer a thousand years ago when more farmers meant more food production. Automation changed all that so that fewer farmers are needed. Automation is the only solution so that fewer workers of all sorts would be needed.
It would be better for the entire planet if the population could be reduced - a one-child policy like China is too much but a two-child restriction would help a lot. Every pollution problem that you can name is caused by too many humans across the planet. Populations must reduce if the species is to survive in the affluent world to which we have grown accustomed.
My annoyance is people moving into my town that already doesn’t have enough jobs, so what jobs are these new people going to get or young families, what are they going to do for work? With super markets having self checkouts you can’t even fall back on that for pocket money
And with so many jobs facing automation, what the hell are we gonna go with all of them?? Unemployment galore
Let's not forget our fastest growing export industry. Our jobs.
The unemployed will vote left, seems to me they're creating a whole new voting class whether purposely or not. It's happening. When you bring in people whose culture does not match ours, it wont be long until the make their own political parties and they will make policy to change it.
I am 1st generation Australian from a migrant family. Immigration needs to controlled and conditional.
Capitalism is collapsing, yet our government is stuck on economic models of the past. The only reason they have immigration is cause of the short term economic gain cause government actually has no plans for industry or sustainability. Did you know under Scott Morrison Chinese bought up 1/3 of Tasmania total land mass
Australia will crumble
@Myxi I'm not scared of automation, in fact I embrace it. You are right that some jobs will go, and others will be created that don't even exist today. But for every new job that gets created, 5 will be automated.
Automation now is much different to what it used to be. We've got AI that is starting to think for itself and can do so many jobs that weren't possible in the past. Highly paid professions like accountants will be wiped out. Anything that is repetitive will be gone. So only exceptionally technical and advanced jobs will exist as well as those a machine can't do like arts, music etc
You can't say all the immigrants being let it in are all rocket scientists, software developers, doctors etc. We're bringing in so many unskilled or low skilled migrants who are then gonna have kids. If those kids aren't exceptionally intelligent, what jobs will they do?? They well compete with the locals for the meagre amount of work available.
We're gonna see the start of a giant underclass who can't get work.
This country is a shell of what it used to be, our standards of living and freedom are plummeting. We do not want a big Australia we want the Australia we grew up in.
It can last forever if we cut our immigration intake back to the level that it was during Gough Whitlam's government: 50,000 per year.
The govt has sold it mate.
The more people the more complex, more expensive,more competitive,more issues, more political,more rules to follow,more segregation,more cultural challenges,more higher educational challenges,more pollution in many levels..and the list is endless
The problem is we need to house our own homeless first!!! We need migration but not at the expense of our own people on public housing lists that keep getting pushed further to the back of the bus while the new comers get all the available housing. Get the infrastructure right then we can accept more people. You don't see immigrants sleeping rough, or in their cars, we look after the newcomers but not our own.
not watched ya news for a year...looking good ,,nice work.
There is not a single problem the planet faces that will be solved with more people.
When I was a child I grew up on the beaches of Hawai'i and Queensland. Some of the best experiences of my life, and remarked at how ''empty'' Australia was even then. But I honestly don't believe that the Australian continent can handle the population growth that's happening now. Everyone lives along the coast, like Melbourne or Sydney...it's not like everyone is going to willingly populate the Northern Territory. Most migrants who come into the country wouldn't want to live in that region, more like the ''nice'' coast. The idea of ''forcing'' migrants out to sparely populated regions of the country make sense when cities are packed more than what they were designed to accommodate.
I guess you never heard of Manhattan then
@Sergelen Bat-Erdene I love Cairns.
big DOES NOT equal better... stop this growth it's absolutely ridiculous
500 per day. that's a small town. stop it you f...ing politicians.
Comment Freely we need to rally against this or vote for whomever is going to halt immigration.
its the muslims
Federal Reserve is not privately owned, but it does Wall Street's bidding so it may as well be. Otherwise most of the rest is correct.
bet they said the same shit when irish/italian immigrants were coming over
I am 100% okay with a small Australia, we need to put our people first, not literally everyone else. But, this issue isn't democratic, the people do not get to choose and the reason that is, is because we would vote to reduce immigration. Australia takes in 250,000 people every single year, that figure has only risen since to dawn of the millennium. 70,000 was what it used to be for a period, our immigration system should only let in people that can fill positions in the workforce we simply cannot soon enough, people who speak English and share our values (our actual values Mr Turnbull). 70,000 allows us to integrate those that are here already at an achievable pace. I would also love to see the termination of dual citizenship, as it is not part of our values, we;re devoted to this country, why would we want people who are not?
Atleast 18 of my friends have applied for Australian PR recently. Almost everyone I know wants to migrate to Australia or Canada.
It's ridiculous.
Part of the problem is people go where the work is and at the moment most jobs are in the cities, so we have overcrowded cities with an infrastructure that is struggling to keep up and vast areas of land with virtually no infrastructure or jobs because the government doesn't see non urban areas as a priority. Another problem is the cost of transporting goods to and from Australia as well as internally which adds to the problem of jobs. It would be interesting to see the results of an experiment where the government planned and built a city with full infrastructure in a regional area, then encouraged industry to move there by offering lower taxes or subsidies. Would families move there for the jobs and cheaper housing? Maybe there would need to be subsidies or tax breaks to get teachers, doctors, nurses etc out there, but maybe not if the infrastructure were properly planned up front. We don't have the population numbers to support huge industrial growth without a cheap way to import materials and export manufactured goods. We also have the problem of water. People need water to survive, industry needs water yet we live in an extremely dry continent. As we build outwards we run the risk of building on our water catchment areas so we need to look to science for viable solutions to water conservation and crop production.
We have had access to reliable high speed internet for a long time now, people and companies should be exploring remote work and self employed/freelance opportunities to get away from working for the man. There is no need to be packed into cities and deal with torturous daily commutes when we can work from home on our computers.
Australia's problems are poor management and poor governance. They have rushed headlong into the capitalist American consumer model without regard for balance and limits. Australia's soils are the oldest in the world and, as such, they lack deep nutrient density and will not be able to produce food for the growing population without toxic artificial fertilization. More importantly, there is not enough fresh water to safely and securely provide for a population of 40-50 million. The inevitability of long term droughts and increasing temperature will result in social unrest and political instability if they don't limit their growth in the immediate future.
Funny how the rest of asia are doing fine. We aren't so much the lucky country as much as the lazy country that happened to be lucky. But you are right poor management. Otherwise Australia can comfortably double even quadruple its population by the end of the century and not break a sweat
I lived in Aust in the best times, from 1970 - 1978 then from 1988- 2012 . Australia back then was the best in world, easy , cheap, beautiful, not many ppl, we had ABBA lol , Nice weather the V8s cars, road trips , wild camping, drivings, corner fish and chip shops that we paid with a 1 dollar note. Life guard rang the bell when he saw a shark and everyone run out of the water! and poored vinagre when we got stung by blue bottles lol, the music was the best, night life, Breaks my heart in half to see whats going on over there really bad , this was such an untouched natrual place, nature everywhere, so sad!! and why do ppl need such big homes for? 5 bed rooms?? 2 bathroom what for,,?? its stupid!! iim sure they are gona put a huge pool to ,!!Poor planet! These houses are so ugly no trees big lego homes no gardens nothing, horrible 550.000 dollars for that??
It's was a great era, but also abit of a hole. Now times have changed and Australia is actually on the map compared to those times. And it can still be great with double the population of today. It can even be better than now, dare I say
Suburbs are a great example of how NOT to plan a city
Interesting story.. thanks!
Everyone says Australia is overpopulating but its one of the least densley populated countries in the world. And I see it as a good thing because right now the cities are so far apart, we need to keep growing so we can be denser. 1/5th of Australia lives in Sydney. Whilst I love big cities, we need to build more cities rather than making our cities bigger.
I’m not educated enough to put my opinion in these comments. 🤷♂️
too many rocket scientists here haha
Sometimes problems are not as simple as stopping the immigration just tell the name of the country who is so prosperous and has a zero percent immigration rate, The problem structure is so complex that the rockets scientist can't even imagine.
You just put your opinion down and I just read it.
You just did.
Norway norskbloggen.no/en/new-rules-for-immigration-to-norway
Personally all for more high story buildings/skyscrapers with schools, living, shops and work roughly in the same area which would address the issues talked about by the new suburb owners in the video.
Hopefully with things closer together there would be more public green areas like parks, native bush etc. available close by instead of being swallowed by suburbs.
My biggest concern for high rise cities would be public transportation and noise/privacy however if things like that were planned from the beginning then that would be a good starting point.
There are hotels that are being build with sound proofing in mind from the very foundation, skyscraper schools planned because there is no more room to build out, skyscrapers with living space and shops in the same building for accessibility. The population boom is here ready or not, it’s good to see people talking about and planning for it.
No that won't work in the long run ... Other countries demographics will completely change the need for alot of city jobs. .Even if we could sooner or later we will be going backwards. So it's better to stop now before we make cities any bigger . Because when it collapses it's going to kill alot of them
You are an incredibly silly person.
I was born in 1948. Then there were 2 billion people and now a lifetime later there's nearly 8 billion people. We are chewing through resources and some are running low. Water shortages are a global problem. It's an Aussie problem too. NASA are predicting a global drought. A National plan to make sufficient water available is urgent.
Regards Gray
A 72 year old Aussie
AU desperately needs an immigration "time out" to allow infrastructure and quality of life to catch up again.
And to have a rational discussion on what our population target should be instead of open the flood gates and hope we can deal with it which is the current policy.
Good luck with the housing bubble on that one. Will knock a lot of young Aussie blokes out.
House prices have to halve before average young people even have a chance at a home.
I guess that you got what you asked for with the pandemic restrictions, did it work?
I know that there was a lot going on during covid but we really should've planned better with low immigration during that time. At least Sydney is creating multiple CBDs now so people won't have to commute for so long every day and there are a lot more apartments
Australia is the least densest country *IN THE WORLD* by arable land. The problem isnt population. The problem is not enough cities. Theres only 3 cities in Australia that has a population of over 2 million. Thats nothing. Australia needs to build more cities, and infrastructure and link them together efficiently.
How is that going to happen when the country is up to the eye balls in debt and have more consumption than production
peter sallas Australia has a lot of natural resources. I dont know? Make good use of it?
mPky1 "WHy does ausrtalia need more cities ?"
As the most underpopulated country on Earth, density by arable land, Australia needs to play catch up and populate this land and be a world player, otherwise Australia will fall behind.
"What prize do you get from more cities ?"
On a governmental level, it help increases tax revenue, which is always good for a country. It also attracts an influx of investments, another good thing for any country. Accelerates long term scientific/medical research.
More people/cities leads to increased market size. Economic growth. Competition. Lower prices for everyday Australians. Also gives Australians more buyer power to further push down prices.
Businesses will be able to produce at economies of scale, that is, produce efficiently and effectively to sustain lower cost on top of competition.
Physical connectivity. It takes approx 10hrs drive to get to the next closest city Brisbane>Sydney>Melb>Adelaide, and God knows how long to drive to Perth. The US did their city planning right. Australia can model from them.
Mental connectivity. Intellectual minds to bounce ideas off more efficiently to fuel a country. Social connectivity. Goes without saying.
Convenience. More frequent public transport instead of waiting half hour or an hour for the next train/bus, higher population will shift this wait to 10-15mins.
These are some things to mention off the top of my head. Im sure the list goes on.
"If you want mega cities why dont you move to china, i hear they have dozens of them"
Megacities are cities with population over 10 million. I didnt even remotely suggest that. Moreover Australia cant sustain that. I said Australia needs more cities. I.e. many quarter million population cities scattered around Australia in arable areas.
Learn from American,you idiotic Aussie !
@@yerri5567 the problem is we are a dry country with lots of non arable land
Also droughts are very common
In the UK and other European countries, developers won't get permission for large scale housing projects unless they pay for the infrastructure as well. If they don't include a shopping area, a school, a medical precinct, bus stops, parks - then they don't get permission to build. Seems simple. You just need your councils and/or state governments to be tougher with the developers. In the UK and in France this is taken a step further and on average most councils will demand - that between 15 and 30 percent of the housing stock must be for lower income families. Good report.
Australia is massive, but only a tiny portion (coastel) is livable!
Even without the desert Australia’s habitable land is still larger than Europe. It take 9 hours to drive from Melbourne to Sydney with about 85% of the land in between uninhabited. The country can support over 180 million people easily, with the right infrastructure, eg: Damns, public transport, etc.
Ash James exactly!
Where is all this water coming from to support that? Its already becoming a massive issue.
Yes but people are trying to protect the desert areas because they have “aboriginal spirits” and i dont believe they exist but thats only me if they could make more living spaces in the bush that would be good for refugees and asylum seekers as the population density is very large in the other towns/citys
But still we have over a million square km of usable land, the UK is the size of Victoria. I think the issue is we should start developing these smaller cities. Maybe a couple more Canberra like cities are needed.
If ‘growing the economy’ is your argument for increasing Australia’s population then you aren’t subscribing to the Australian way of life. We value our space, environment, community and our laid back way of life. NOT money alone. Talk to the pensioners of this country about what they value as our oldest Australians.
Australia is not the same place anymore, I am no longer proud to call myself an Aussie. It has gone down the tubes, but then again so has the rest of the world. It amazes me that people still want to bring children into the world given the state of things. We do not need more people, and you really have to wonder what sort of life they will have. It seems like life these days consists of working your guts out, paying exorbitant taxes and having a pathetic two days off which are gone in the blink of an eye. You never really get a chance to relax because you can't completely tune out of work and then you have to prepare yourself for another week of monotony and slaving away working for the man. Even just trying to go somewhere with your family on the weekend is a stressful experience because the roads and national parks are clogged.
It sounds like you need to take some Prozac or something, my dude.
Not only that but the prospect of raising a child in this currently toxic society is just too risky
@@Groaker or maybe you took too much
No. Australia is a pretty great place to raise a family. You're making a mountain out of a mole hill.
Some areas its still okay to raise a family. But there are parts of Australia that its just too hard, unless you have heaps of money, its not feasible anymore.
My Social Sciences teacher back in the mid 80's told our class that all the research at that point in time indicated the tipping point for Australia's population was around 21 Million, we surpassed that before 2008, if anyone recalls water and power shortages began shortly thereafter....Australia also requires food security (ability to grow sufficient food for the nation)
It’s time to call quits on massive population increase
We have enough food and water. What we also have too much of is indolent pollies who live in the upper crust and unwilling to make those decisions that will guarantee quality of living. Mainly nation building projects like dams and desalination or even nuclear power that will ensure we can comfortably get through it all even if we have a population doubling in the next 40 years
@@marcozolo3536 On what source do you make the claim we have sufficient water resources to support an even larger population?
Low levels in the Murray Darling River system?
Low water levels in the Nations reservoirs?
Extensive shift towards water recycling to maximise effective water use?
Nuclear power should be avoided, Thorium based reactors are the way forward, safer, cleaner and easier to handle waste by-product.
Food security requires arable land, increasing populations encroach on the availability of land fit for food production.
@@SpectreOZ Australia is surrounded by water. And desalination technology is constantly being improved on. Saudi Arabia has moved on a new desalination technology called the Solar Dome that improves on current osmosis processes and improves on efficiency by using solar mirrors to tackle the common issues associated like power requirements.
If Elon Musk can plan for having a city of a million people by 2050 on Mars. I think Australia can manage quite alright in the same time span. I don't buy all this doom and gloom. Many countries currently do more with less than what Australia has. We aren't so much the lucky country, moreso the lazy country that got lucky so far. We need to do more or we will be left behind. When you talk about our current capacity, all I hear is political unwillingness.
I do however agree with you about Thorium
@@marcozolo3536 Australia is comprised of 7.7 Million square kilometres, presently somewhere around 60% of land is used for primary production, almost 7% is protected natural habitat with an additional 13% protected (including Indigenous areas), 2% is used for Forestry and less than 0.5% for residential and urban use.
18% of Australia's landmass is desert with an additional 17% receiving so little rainfall that it could also be considered desert, so that is 35%
60% Farming
13% protected
7% natural habitat
2% Forestry
*18% desert*
*17% extremely arid*
The trend in Australia is to build in the nicer (primarily Coastal) areas with better rainfall (essentially arable areas), more urban expansion consumes land that would/could be used for food production, unless that trend shifts and Cities are built in the areas not suitable for farming then population growth will be unsustainable.
De-salination creates problematic environmentally detrimental by-products, not to mention the brine left over from the process which is pumped back into the Ocean effectively increasing the salinity of the water, this will have a direct impact on creatures living in the ocean.
I'm an immigrant. Arrived here in 1988 with my folks and brother. Back then life was a lot better for ordinary folk and that was going through a recession! I'm grateful for the opportunity to call Australia my home, and I'm happy to invite more people in so long as it's environmentally, economically, and socially sustainable. At the moment it's sadly not sustainable in any of those measures, therefore we need to curtail the current immigration numbers until such a time that the nation can plan for it better.
We desperately need to pull the leaver and slow down immigration. Not because we don't want people from other parts of the world, but rather because we want those people to have something worth coming to. We need to give our cities a chance to build the necessary infrastructure and cultural assets that will allow new suburbs and densified suburbs to be livable. We should also aim to accelerate growth in the smaller gateway cities of Newcastle, Wollongong, Gold Coast, Sunshine Coast, and Geelong. This would allow those cities to prosper and at the same time, relieve the bigger cities from the burden of excessive growth.
Immigration has caused wages to stagnate and made everyone work harder for their crust to survive.
We will be
Agreed, the 457 visa rort has screwed a lot of hard working people. Particularly in the hospitality industry.
Got verification of this or B.S., ? Look at productivity commission report, you are wrong!
@S, Lianis is that because they work harder and longer than you lianis? Or you don't like curry? Indians, are you for real? Or is this the same mentality of the tour of '39 when someone spoke of the Jews the same way? Wake up get a job, work hard and build a meaningful life for yourself and family, and maybe loose the racist attitude, hate earns you nothing but condemnation or infamy, I don't want to believe you are worthy of that
WRONG. Wages stagnate also in Japan - a counrty which is DYING out without Immigration. The Wage stagnate because globalisation and Elite politics. How many cars or airplanes are made in Australia today? Where do our mobile phone come from? Australia is know for exporting ore like iron, Uranium, Gold and coal BUT importing high tech.
Second is the decades were a wrong Elite politcs were and are made: House owners Benefit from raising Prices, rental companies make big Profits in rents and give thier shareholders huge Money for it. Australia lurks high educated People from all over the world to get the high Paid Jobs so the can pay high rents in the enormous pricy cities and it forgetts on the "Little" People. The Question on immigration is just a distraction from the Question of RICH against POOR.
Australia may be a big country but we are already at the limits of its carrying capacity by csiro calculations, water and arable land which is being built on mostly is limited and we need to think about how future generations will cope, technology may help but the australian govt has never been forward thinking as is evidenced by the fact we dont even have high speed rail
Australia needs to ask how are US,UK, and France are doing it because I live in a city with 6.5 metro population(Houston) but don't feel crowded compared to 4.9 in Sydney
Two words: fresh water.
Most of Australia is arid.
Australia should focus on replacing OIL before growing its population.
People farming on the smallest driest continent on the planet what could possibly go wrong? 20% of this continent is desert we have a low and variable annual rainfall. 25,500 sq kms is irrigated land compared the the Unites States at 264,00 sq kms The United States has 300 Million more people if you can not increase our 25,500 sq kms of irrigated land accordingly to grow our people farm we have a problem we can not ignore!
blip98 I agree. This should be apart of the conversation.
mPky1 Did you read my comment at all? I am asking the Question how could you grow it when you have only a tenth of the irrigated land?
We should turn to nuclear energy as we have so much empty land and no fault lines. Cheap (per gigawatt) plentiful, lower CO2 than solar and wind. Lower deaths (not a single death at fukushima and the guy who got cancer they think it's unrelated to the incident) than all the other fuel sources as minimal mining or construction (one built plant does the job of many coal stations). Cheap energy would make large scale irrigation a possibility. We have mines every where which could be modified for underground storage of waste or even sites for underground power stations.
That farm land would grow with population as financial incentive would be there. As food at supermarkets goes up, more profit margins for farmers to fund new development. Plus tech advancements happening all the time so in 30 years might have ur roof cavity turned into a permaculture green house feeding the whole street.
Maybe we could start learning from other countries how to grow in less square footage using more sustainable means. The Netherlands grows food for much of Europe in an area that is not much larger than Melbourne. Of course they have more water than we do but we could learn from Abu Dhabi how to farm in a way that conserves water. There are better ways to grow crops than broad acre farming which is wasteful of both water and top soil.
Need to encourage people to move to cities like Newcastle, GC, Wollongong and build those cities up. Having more viable cities to live in means less concentration in Sydney and Melbourne. Sydney is literally a cesspool in its current state. How places as far out as Campbeltown and Blacktown can be considered part of Sydney in the first place is beyond me. Soon we'll be calling Wagga Wagga part of Sydney too. All for the sake of housing prices lol.
This. The real issue here is not having enough cities that are at least as developed as Melbourne, Sydney, and Brisbane. This means the majority of people concentrate their effort to live in Melbourne, Sydney, and Brisbane, causing over-concentration of population in the suburbs of those cities, which in turn, encourages racist locals to falsely think the entire Australia as a country is overpopulated.
As an American this was really interesting to watch, and a very small scale premonition of what could happen if you continue on your current path. A lot of people talk about the US's crumbling infrastructure and social problems. But the US had a population of close to 40 million in 1870 - and every decade prior to that since 1700 had grown at 30%+. It grew at 20-30% again for several decades after that. To be fair, the US interior is much more hospitable to heavy development and has significantly more water and arable farmland - but relentless building and maintaining massive amounts of infrastructure costs a fortune, and someone has to pay for that, and provide the upkeep. It's not nearly as easy as people assume it should be, and it's costly. It was kind of interesting to hear the grumblings about lack of infrastructure and the road conditions in a few fast-growing suburbs in one coastal city. You're talking about having 40 million people in a couple decades - well what about 330 million? It takes massive effort and expense in maintaining all of that - especially since Australia, like the US, is very car-centric and suburban, with similar settlement patterns, and the two countries are of similar physical size. And like Australia, birth rates in the US have fallen and we rely on immigration to maintain growth and a viable workforce. And that's further compounded in Australia's case by your water situation. The quarter acre plot was common in the US as well - in fact my last two homes both had 1/4 acre lots. Those are becoming far less common, and new subdivisions look like the ones in this video due to rapidly increasing costs forcing denser housing models. My advice would be to stay small and enjoy what you've got - and don't ruin it with uncontrolled or unsustainable growth, that will do nothing but cause additional social & infrastructural issues and burden you fiscally. More people ISN'T better.
As a European it seems so hard already to move to AU compared to other countries so how come so many people have so little trouble immigrating there?
Governments seem to favour non whites at present need to be overhauled to balance things out
@@Dancestar1981 LOL do you have any idea how it works or you can pull info from ur ass.. it’s a point based system that determines based on education and work experience
Too much growth too quickly is also a big burden on the environment. More land clearing, more destruction.
It's this odd thing about water: there's plenty of it falling on Australia, but there's nothing to concentrate it to the point where it can be used. California, for instance, is much smaller and doesn't really have much more rain, but it supports nearly double the population, because the Sierra Nevada produces precipitation that flows downhill nicely into aqueducts.
There is only limited space in Australia that is “liveable” as it is am extremely dry county and can not cater to hundreds of of millions of people especially if 1 we want to keep the wonderful nature and uniqueness Australian has to offer and 2 financially Australian would not be able to support so many people and maintain cleanliness and maintenance in urban areas. As they stated in the video Australian is not ready to grow so rapidly and who wants another over crowded country anyway. Australian needs to make it harder for immigrants to get citizenship and I am not trying to be offensive or rude it is simply my opinion
Wrong, Australia is capable of housing 4 times its current population and still not break a sweat. But we can't do it with endless sprawl. However states like WA and SA need to have more industry and subsidies to guarantee they grow comparable to the Eastern States.
Australia needs to implement cultural assimilation tests for new immigrants. If they have trouble understanding sense of humor, clichés, black comedy-type jokes, none of them should be allowed in!
High speed rail connection with Sydney passing through regional towns, promote migration into those areas with longer term visas for staying/studying/working in the satellite towns. Spreading the growth around.
And raising the cost of housing and increasing homelessness.
Water will be a huge limiting factor. We struggle as it is!
Not true. Compare the outback to Pakistan or South Africa - in the same Region millions of People live there, the just use much LESS water.
And what happens when all those young immigrants get old then we're in the same boat and have to import more people. Endless growth is unsustainable. Who are we doing this for? Japan and many Eastern European countries have the same problems with an aging population. They are not importing immigrants to solve the problem.
Hear hear!
Well to be fair, Japan actually is importing immigrants, just not those "immigrants" that nobody wants in their country, if you know what I mean. ;)
Yeah, guess they won't be getting those type of immigrants anytime soon. Even Indonesia doesn't want them.
That's exactly what I'm saying lol.
Yeah the italian immigrant community is 50% over 60's
If a large percentage of locals can't afford the cost of living here...how is it going to help bringing 400K more ppl/year into the equation? WTF is wrong with politicians in this country? We are rooted.
"That is changing faster than any of us predicted" That is because our government made very bad decisions. It tripled our migrant intake.
Population growth is NOT INEVITABLE, as this video insinuates. Most population increase is immigration and that can be corrected with the stroke of a pen. Vote for a political party that is willing to stabilise and then shrink our population.
We will run out of water. Plain and simple, it has always been our most precious resource. The last time we were in a drought every capital city had dangerously low dam levels so imagine what it will be like next time we have a decade of dry weather. We have known this for a long, long time we were educated about this decades ago the only problem is now half our country is populated with people who weren't educated here and they are either oblivious to these facts or they don't care and I honestly can't blame them. Our government needs to take population control seriously and put more effort into removing all the people who are here illegally because we can't control the population if we don't know what the real numbers are. Who knows what the real population of Sydney is? Census numbers are one thing but we have hundreds of thousands of overseas students to consider and then there are the people who overstay their visas some of which never followed the conditions of entry in the first place. Nothing is done to remove these individuals until they try to catch an international flight and in the meantime, they take full advantage of our wonderful city and give next to nothing back as they work for cash while they are here. I know enough of them and sometimes I wonder how long they can get away with this for? It seems like they are free to do as they please for as long as they want.
Don't be so dramatic. Look at Japan, much smaller land mass and much higher population and they're doing good.
@@3incher982 But their population is declining.
We need to stop depending on overseas migration/construction to fuel our economy. What's the point of inviting so many people into cities which can't deliver what they promise? We need to halve or even quarter our growth and try to diversity our city/state and national economies. Then everyone wins.
Andy Park has come a long way since The Feed. His reporting style is a really good fit for 7.30
Politicians and economist have always only talked about growth, economic and population, when they should be talking about sustainability. However, they will not do this because sustainability is a long term vision that benefits the future population and not the present. Growth is, and has only ever been a short term, temporary answer. Growth is a quick fix, that creates problem for future generations. Unfortunately, nothing will change and we will continue to do what we have always done. Bring in younger people who can work for thirty years to support pensioners, now retired, who themselves came to this country for the same reason. It's a pyramid scheme. Pyramid schemes always fail and leave others to pay the price, that's why they are illegal. If you need a case study to prove this, just look at the vast majority of the rest of the world. It's overcrowded, under resourced and does nit enjoy our standard of living...
The immigration madness is revenue related, Every one working pays taxes. council fees, and so forth.And since the spending and financial discipline is pour, more people are used to spread the load. Problem no 2 is that there are not enough jobs and we face competition to become more productive at a lower wage growth. No one gets ahead with this patchwork while the rat race has become the norm unless you trap new arrivals as long as you can. The once spacious country with opportunities for anyone has evolved into almost the same issues immigrants faced were they come from in less then 20 years.
3:20 Well it isn't YOUR people who build the infrastructure to support '100 million', you're people simply benefit off of the achievements of a post industrious nation. How about you tell your migrant friends in Sydney and Melbourne to move out of the cities, but then again, 100 million living throughout Australia would completely decimate the Australian culture like what you seen in areas of Melbourne and most of Sydney. I honestly think that is the end goal of a lot of our leaders.
1. Fact is worker supply keeps wages low.
2. Demand for services increases cost.
3. Low wages and increase cost of living means poorer quality of life in Australia.
Housing and economic ponzi! Growth driven GDP will fail.. and is failing.
Australians have it so good they don't know what bad actually is.
plenty of australians have it pretty fucking bad.
Middle australia don't have clue though.
And we don't want to.
@@flowerpower8722 Well put. We do know, and that's what why we're trying to precautionary measures to avoid that.
True. However if you're born here in the bush, to us it's normal. PLEASE NOTE THAT outside Australian citizens who are accustomed to our warmer summers there is a deafening silence. That is how it is in any country. PLEASE acclimatize or move on. Otherwise, apparently their ARE other choices.
Sounds like ur from the us
This is the real reason Aussies are fleeing our cities.
This kind of unsustainable growth Australia is going through can only lead to lowering the life standards of some 80% of Australians in the near future. Uncontrolled / poorly planned population booms will invevitably lower wages for most jobs whilst big number of people all wanting to live near cities will keep the house price high.
A lady in vid said as if population growth is the only driver for infrastructure& transportation improvement, but that's complete bollocks. If that's the case how is she gonna explain problems like air polution, general securities, traffic jam, shortage of clean water in fast growing countries like South Eastern Asian countries, China and India?
Why is Adelaide and indeed South Australia as a whole, not growing at the same rate of Melbourne & Sidney?
Business 101: Supply and Demand price principle. If the supply of a product or service is outpaced by the need, the price of the product or service will increase. The supply is housing and rentals. The demand is immigration increase. Banks and investors are making tons of money on the property and rental price increases while the native population gets impoverished. That is why a high rate of immigration is so protected. Big money wants it. Follow the $$$!
No.
The population is already unsustainable. Higher population will lead to lower living standards.
At 45 million i would like to know what jobs we will be doing, where is the food coming from. there's not enough water already and as a mostly arid country we cant grow it ourselves. The world population is already struggling, economics and common sense no longer matter and greed alone rules.
I did mapping for the council in question. It was pretty hectic.
Melbourne just needs better public transport, it's a shame our public transport isn't seeing the growth that it needs
Either ancestors or currently everyone are migrated...We acknowledge the traditional Aboriginal owners of country throughout Victoria
and pay our respects to them, their culture and their Elders, past, present and future
Growth never pays for itself.
I take it you are not a farmer?
Albury/Wodonga, is definitely a growing City and has the space and with the right Investment by the State and Federal Governments has the potential to develop into a key major regional city. People need to realise the opportunities and move out of the Capital cities decentralization is a smarter option and will help ease the pressure on these larger Cities.
In my modest uneducated opinion it’s a direct result of the Greenspan economic model. Which has relied on artificially low interest rates and high immigration to support a sustained period of economic development based around the construction sector and cheap borrowing to support domestic spending.
I don't mind population growth if it is sustainable... although as this vid pointed out we simply don't have the infrastructure to keep up at the moment. The reality is that all the immigrants arriving want to live in our cities because that's where the jobs and infrastructures are... although that's just not possible to sustain. The cities will eventually become both unsustainable and unaffordable (they're already heading that way). Our cities are becoming too congested. Also the amount of immigrants coming to the country and not assimilating and living off welfare is a worry. The violence some cause too is not the sort of immigrant we want in our country. I just saw recently an african immigrant physically attacking a white boy and being racially abusive. The issue is that they bring their values to this country and that means if they've come from a violent place they bring that with them to Australia. They bring all their ideologies with them and expect to be treated the same as they were in their own country. I'm not saying all immigrants are like this, but there is evidence that a lot are not really being productive and good citizens. The ones that assimilate are being productive and being a part of the Australian community and not forming their own communities with their own rules, etc.
So if the government builds infrastructure which creates more jobs and expands our working force where is the problem? If our government wasn’t so stingy and kept cutting spending on infrastructure and development, schools and hospitals we would have enough basic infrastructure for the population growth and a well educated and healthy workforce. We are literally a continent with only 25 mil people on it
The Playable CEMU this is where public housing comes in. I gladly would like turn more immigrants into to Australians.
The Playable CEMU why the hell would you think I live on the government? there has been a huge reduction in immigration anyways and even labor has said that it would reform the working visa so native born aussies are put first. So I don’t understand what you are trying to say but even us lefties agree on reducing immigration....
mPky1 we already pay enough tax for all that to happen. The big corporations who some haven’t paid tax in 10 years are the ones who should pay their fair share of tax. Exxon Mobil paid 8 mil for 17 billion in profits.... that’s just one example and let’s not mention them offshoring all their profits and tax evasions and abusing loopholes. It’s not all up to the average worker who already pays their fair share it’s up to EVERYONE paying their fair share.
mPky1 your logic does not make sense. You admit that the corps are robbing us yet you just admit defeat while trying tell me that the government programs saving working people thousands a year are bad. I am a working man and I would rather everyone pay their fair share of tax wether it’s a Corp or a minimum wage worker. We all contribute to the system that invests back in us in return in programs like the childcare one you mentioned or Medicare or streets or trains. We have been trying this trickledown stuff and privatisation since the Howard government and things are worse off now because of it. The golden age of this country was when the government invested in the people and the public had control over their main essential services like energy and water. You said it yourself that you were better off decades ago. Also not forget the housing prices went up considerably faster and higher than the average income which means it was not a supply and demand issue but a collective of issues like negative gearing and inflation and such.
Why not start your own building company and start building more house/ apartments for the rest of us 😂😂 .. sounds like that all is needed to bring down the price of house .. build more increase supply ..
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"Perfectly balance, as all things should be"
Roads, electricity, gas, sewerage, telecommunications are infrastructure. Why are these people saying there's no infrastructure? Those new suburbs have all the essential services. Soft infrastructure like schools, medical facilities and the such can and will likely be built in the years ahead when demand is high enough and funding is available.
Good day Australians, I'm from Malaysia, I applied for migration visa and plan to settle in Australia! Hope it is approved!
Cool man good luck aye 👍
You mean G'day. Learn Australian-English
grow the population to what size - having been thru 6 or so water restrictions my concern is Water . where building on our farm lands at a furious rate . the developers want bigger population to become millionaires .they cant build fast enough . the welfare system is under threat ,pensioners and low income earners are feeling the cut backs . the health system is strained to breaking point . the roads are not copping and travel times increase .the trains and buses cant cope . we giving this country away to people who aren't assimilating ,who don't want learn the language but wont all the benefits .how long before we borrow to much to send overseas before we wake up . the mother country is sick and where demanding more and more ,if she collapses where all screwed , and I know who will be the first to leave to parasite on another country. managed growth should be calm and at a slow pace so infrastructure can keep pace . and again WATER .ps India and china didn't so well with huge population growth .
Yeah they keep going on about climate change but just stack as many people as you can in this drought-prone country like it's a fucking clown car.
You forgot to mention about waste... imagine the waste that will be produced, there must be more innovative ways of waste management.
just a thought This is how we use our water. Farming (70%), industry (22%) and home for drinking, washing and watering (8%).
A regular burger takes 2,500 litres of water to make. An apple takes 70 litres to grow.
Just food for though. If youre worried about water. Why not cut down on meat consumption? You can save the life of a cows or pigs mother while youre at it.
hmm wonder how much water a baby to adult hood takes ?
@@yerri5567 You'll find that a lot of our pasture lands are not suitable for crop growth and use a lot less water per meal produced than cropland due to the fact you can just move the livestock to where the food is. In a drought you're going to be using a lot more water to keep that 'edible for humans' crop alive than you will to water the cow, even taking into account the water used in the production of their feed.
In regards to your water stats, I believe the National Bureau of Statistics includes sugar cane, cotton and other non food farming as part of that 70% ballpark figure (which I believe is about 5 years out of date if I'm remembering my stats correctly) and is unfortunately the wrong statistic to use when arguing about redistribution of water resources when it comes to food production. A statistics breakdown of sub-categories would serve you better, that way you would be able to more accurately pinpoint potential areas of waste and with additional knowledge of how each area of land is best utilised you might be able to provide solutions with which to effect change.
Your burger statistic is also misleading and doesn't break down the extra volume produced for each individual ingredient involved that is disseminated elsewhere or the misc. surplus resources generated (like leather, wool, milk, & pet food) that help offset the cost of production.
A genuine leather article ultimately costs less water to produce and has a lower environmental cost than a synth-leather equivalent, partly because of it's longer useful lifespan and partly because the leather jacket is made from a renewable resource, the other is made from fancy plastic.
I will not dispute the necessity of using buzz stats to make people pay attention. However, they become outdated very quickly and will be used by right wingers to discredit you if they are not constantly and consistently updated. It's easy to make statistics lie, it's easy to make them up. Check them before you quote them and I guarantee you'll start to win a lot of arguments because your passion is real but your information is factually misleading.
suburbs are really tightly built these days, there's barely any backyard and the properties are smaller and packed in like a slum. at 9am the single road leading out gets bottlenecked. - Suburbs are not the answer anymore and I wish they would stop building them on precious farmland. They are being built further out of cities, 40 minutes or more commute to work. - NO train or bus access! and the worst part is people are paying $500,000 to live in these slums. Construction has also gotten lazy over the years and the materials they put into these houses are cheap and flimsy, give it 10 more years and people will want to abandon their homes for something newer, bigger and more modern. but they won't be able to because they will not get their money back in selling the place and they will fall into more debt trying to pay off their mortgages. I'll never purchase a house in a suburb; not in this economical climate, probably not ever! I'm all for condensing cities further, building up not out, save our land for digging more dams and breeding more livestock to feed the masses.
480p video? that's the best we got?
I’m from Nepal. I just love the Australian Vibes/Culture. I’ve learned a lot from this country and would love to give something back to this country before I die. Vegemite is the best. Not much of time left before my visa expires but yeah Thank You. Don’t know if I’ll ever get the citizenship but yeah once again Thanks Australia.
Are there many Nepalian in Aus？
Sorry mate, if I had it my way we would’ve stayed white australia and kept the amazing culture we had
@@tigermotive2378 sit down boofhead 🤡 I’d take a ghurka watching my six over a whinging one nation bogan any day 😄
We're full! In fact, we were full about 20 years ago.
Exactly
@@Dancestar1981 Make that over 223 years ago when the Aboriginals were saying that to white man