I can see how Stroll sort of was just at the wrong place of a chain reaction, but it's more so his response and refusal to take responsibility that really makes him look bad.
I agree. The incident was unfortunate, but definately his fault. For him to subsequently attempt to blame others shows that he will never learn for thisd kind of thing. Time to go.
@@JLvatron You're part of the group that blamed Alonso for Russel crashing in Melbourne huh? Based on your logic, everyone who locks up and makes anyone behind step on the brakes should get a penalty. And therefore everyone behind can freely slam into the car in front without penalization because it's the front guy's fault, not on you as a driver to manage your distance and not hit people. Come on man, that just makes no sense at all.
@@JLvatron Feel free to cite the rule that Alonso broke, that warrants a penalty. You won't get off with a generic "hurr durr dangerous driving" though.
@@georgebarker1894or he's look ahead to get a better start, like Alonso did and that's wht cause the whole thing. Everone was looking at Max. Lance being where he was just had to much speed, why would u assume they are still going slow outta the hairpin.
@@peachulemonbecause he's meant to be a professional, one of e best in the world. So he should be able to anticipate all possible scenarios and drive accordingly.
@@user-qf7dl2ki4t Therefore no mistakes should ever happen, no one should ever crash, and anyone who crashes or hits another car should lose their drive immediately
Another major difference is almost all professional drivers came out and said "that was unfortunate" for Danny's crash. Whereas drivers are saying "Lance could have stopped" for this one.
Exactly. I've cut Stroll so much slack and find myself defending him all the time, but not owning up to his mistake and apologizing for it just makes him look ridiculous.
The problem is, Lance HAD enough distance to adjust, but he wasn’t paying attention to his front car. If he was just very close to Daniel at the first place and couldn’t avoid the sudden breaking no matter what, it is absolutely normal incident, sadly that’s not the case.
No, I don't think he was expecting a sudden stoppage on track. In most cases it would be considered erratic driving. His teammate basically did the same thing and probably only avoided it because he had more distance to the ferrari and had soft tires which are warmer and would brake better.
@@ErickMcNerney It's a sharp last corner to the straight but the drivers know this and need to pay more attention, that's their job. You should get into high level sim racing and you'll know exactly what happened here. Strolls fault for not paying attention to the car in front and/or leaving enough room to not rear end the car in front. Much like road rules, under a safety car if you rear end the car in front no matter what it's your fault. What about that is hard to understand?
@@ErickMcNerney Of course he wasn't expecting it, hence the not paying attention, if he was paying attention he would have caught the unexpected earlier, like every other driver in the field.
Alonso almost did the same thing but got his eyes on the road again in time. Stroll clearly didn't have his eyes on the road, because his instant reaction was to say that Ricc "slammed on his brakes for no reason" when he should have seen the massive cloud of smoke from Alonso's car and already been on the brakes himself...
But Alonso didn't. He's the reason the pile up happened. Alonso didn't have the concertina effect to contend with, either - as Alonso caused the issue. The last car isn't going to have the hardest time to react to the situation. Essentially an incident caused by Alonso, but Lance made it worse. We don't have to make excuses for Alonso. He's an experienced driver.
Mate Nico Rosberg told in the live broadcast right after this incident that you can see barely enough through the cockpit and that it's much less than what the cameras show. He said you can essentially see the car ahead and pray the 2-3 cars ahead of the one in front of you are driving properly. Stroll couldn't have seen Alonso's lockup at all
@@bipolarminddroppingsclouds of smoke come from a small inconsequential lockup too. You talk like you've driven plenty of open wheel races to be so confident in your opinion
Fernando gets 3 penalty points for racing hard against Saiz, but Stroll gets only 2 penalty points for being a complete idiot and crashing into the back Ricciardo. What is the logic behind that? Unbelievable decision making.
Another thing to note with Stroll is that between the 200m and 150m boards, there is no rev lights on the dash in 3rd. At about 125m he accelerates, changes to 4th, 45m drops back to 3rd then stops using engine braking (to 2nd) and sends DR to the moon.
If you can't tell who reacted fast and who didn't I don't think racing is for you. JFC, people can be so obtuse. And in case you don't understand, just look at who crashed and who didn't.
@@jameylawson8743 not saying Stroll is not to blame, but if I can get braking and lift to the meter and hundredth of a second to give Alonso a penalty in Melbourne I also want that data for a crash under the safety car
Technically, Hulkenberg should not have been allowed to go through. Stroll and Ric may have been “crashing” but neither left the track over the white lines and Ric is within 5 car lengths of the McLaren infront at the moment Hulk goes down the inside. So Ric hasn’t slowed considerably which is one of the rules that permits cars behind overtaking under SC. So if Ric choose to take that wide slower line voluntarily (and there was no contact with Stroll) the drivers behind would have to stay behind. So why does Hulk get to overtake? Just because two cars touch? That makes little sense. Yes Hulk is avoiding a crash - and safety first is key - but really Daniel should have been allowed to take the position back, and the race director should have communicated this to RB Cash App. I’m yet to hear anyone refute this line of argument.
@@vannustube There was no grid at this point as the race was well underway. It's great you feel like you want to be part of the conversation but please, learn basic racing vocab if you're going to try to contribute.
@@vannustube RIC retired after a couple of racing laps after it was clear he had too much damage. Are you saying Hulk knew in an instant that RIC would have to retire?? Should have been black flag for Hulk on that illegal overtake, RIC never left the track, nor stopped.
@@de1623 yes, Hulk saw the crash right in front of him. it is fair for him to expect RIC to be damaged after that crash. RIC obvious wanted to try to keep going - we have all seen times when drivers with only 3 wheels still drive back to the pits.
Just like ricciardo and albon in japan 2 weeks ago off the start, but the irony then was that ricciardo was looking at Stroll so he ran into albon. He was already scared of stroll...
sometimes is hard to predict what others doing in front. it's at Stroll but alonso and Ricciardo just got away with others by a hair. Maybe if he got less gap between he wouldn't. It's strange ,palmer doesn't mention after Alonso locked up everyone just suddenly was follows his Alonso's line. Sometimes it happening on a restart when people tapping the cars in front for misjudging. Take Hamilton vs Vettel or San Marino. I think there's also easier for cars in front to see and guess what leaders are doing. Because it happens to be Stroll again people judge him more harshly. I'm a fan of KMag but nobody really mention his ended Tsunoda's race.
The only thing I fell you've missed is the brake check by Sainz on Alonso- go ahead and replay how the gap widely opens between Sainz and the car in front of him on corner entry as Sainz hits the brakes unnecessarily before accelerating through the corner. This ultimately led to Alonso's actions and all that comes thereafter.
A small bump would have been a racing incident at best, if there's not enough distance to stop. Stroll just didn't brake at all. He lacked any spacial awareness whatsoever.
Yeah. This. Asides from everything else afterwards, the fact that he plowed right under DR's rear end and launched it in the air shows a complete lack of attention to the immediate surroundings that could affect him. DR had less space just before the concertina started and just managed to brush the back of Piastri's car. Probably wouldn't have damaged it or even been felt by him. Alonso had more space, and reacted quicker than Stroll when he saw his space closing quicker than expected. He also turned to avoid on the outside. I get Alonso looking forward, cos the car 3-4 ahead in the corner is the leader that is making the decision on when to go. Stroll being closer to 10 cars back should really be reacting to those around him, like Oscar, DR, and Hulk were.
I'm sorry but Alonso locks up did Russel hit him? Did Piastri hit Russel? DR didn't even hit Piastri, they all managed to no hit each other just Stroll. That's it.
Stroll never recognizes (much less admits) his errors. Thus, he never learns from them... & repeats. What's the point of the Super License if that type of driver is repeatedly given a pass?
That's why you're supposed to keep a 2 seconds gap with the car in front. No one does where I live and there's a crash almost every day in the busiest sections.
Eh, Alonso was marginal, making the same mistake as Lance, just with enough room to bail out of the corner. Maybe he gets the benefit of being far enough ahead in the queue to be able to make the mistake.
Can someone explain why Hulkenberg was allowed to overtake Ricciardo despite RIC never going off track and keeping the car going?? RB need to appeal this penalty!!!!!!!!!
This is partly on FIA too. Since you're not allowed to be side by side with any driver any more you have everyone having to drive in a single que. That increases the risk of rearending someone and makes the constaino effect a lot worse.
I couldn't possibly agree with you more on that one, my friend...& I think that the 40 y/o Hamilton (by the time the season begins next year) will be truly woeful as his replacement...
And everybody is cheering Alonso for not warming up his tires behind the safety car and driving straight, like Kimi once did. This may have been the start of the chain reaction that caused Stroll to Stroll Ricciardo lol
Might be random, but recently I'm thinking of Seb's "RRRRRINGDIGADINGDINGDINGGGGG" and "I'M GOING HOME" 😂 Must be the two funniest things I've ever heard an F1 driver say
He is wrong. But he's also right in a broader sense. The mistake that brought blame onto him, was done in the exact same manner by Alonso and Riccardio a few secondes before. Stroll was just less lucky because his lack of situational awareness caused the crash to happen.
@@antonfloor344, I like Sainz, but there's no way he beats Russell in his current form. Ferrari is replacing him with Hamilton who is largely a straight downgrade from George Russell at this point.
Because there was a huge gap between Alonso-sainz and stroll- Ric. That they glanced at the leaders/apex without expecting that the gap would reduce to inches abruptly. Alonso was vigilant and lucky enough to save it but Lance wasn't.
All in all, the X factor was Alonso doing what Stroll would do seconds later further ahead, he managed to break, nobody could overtake without collisions so a single file formed, Stroll then left a gap in front so he could look ahead of the pack like Alonso did (even if there it was thanks to Sainz) and he collided.. only difference between the start and end is that Sainz wasn't breaking as hard as Ricciardo so no incident and the trailers couldn't overtake like Hulk did. Both Astons did the same ultimately.
The difference is that Alonso has the required awareness of an F1 driver and reacted, Stroll was only interested in the apex and started braking when he was already striking Ricciardo. Not the same man, STOP NOT HOLDING HIM ACCOUNTABLE, Stroll has a habit of creating bizarre incidents due to a clear incompetence in wheel to wheel. This is the most dangerous kind of drivers.
Agree the art of commentary has been lost. All the current lead commentators are such try-hards and full of themselves. Alex is as insufferable as Croft. I watch with French commentary now even though I barely understand it.
Hulkenberg purposefully staggered his line in order to get a better view. Experience. You can even see him tilting his head whilst looking forward for maximum view.
There is a reason why Alonso didn't run into Sainz and Danny Ric almost avoided Oscar. The thing is called skill and reactions. My friend, Mr. Stroll (to be pronounced with a silent S) doesn't have a lot of either of those...
The onboard is interesting. They're coming out of safety car conditions and are super bunchrd up. Its like they're starting the race over. Instead of watching what's happening in front of him, and being able to react, Stroll is gazing into the apex. If he was paying attention,and not day dreaming like he normally is, Stroll could have done what Niko did
The main big point is, Fernando did lock up, he was looking at the race leader but, he had a bigger gap between him and Carlos, big enough to make changes suddenly but, Stroll was watching the corner when he literally had smaller gap between Daniel and him. You could say that Daniel could have tapped Oscar but, it would have been a small love tap rather than Shoving below the car like Lance did. You can't put the blame on Alonso because, there was no incidents and almost no changes. Nico shows how you should react when someone in front of you stops suddenly. It's fully on Stroll.
I don't even get why Stroll at his position was looking at leaders, in my racing experience (limited at national level only) it makes sense to watch next 3-5 cars at most, whatever leaders do, you will rather depend on what your direct opponents do, especially if you want to exploit any mistake on their side. It's not like if the Max would push hard out of that corner, that the rest of the cars would straight accelerate and Stroll would be able to turn there at 250km/h, it was slow turn ahead anyway.
Nice explanation. Thanks for providing the context. It does provide some context for Lance not being a complete and utter pillock just mostly a pillock.
"He Strolled into the back of him" This is going to be the new "he came in like a torpedo". We all know what happened to the torpedo, it might be time now for Stroll.
Why do you keep going on about how close Riccardo was, whether he is an inch or a mile from Pastri doesn't change the fact that it was Lance who smashes into Danny Ric. Stroll then took no responsibility. Do we need an analysis on if Lance thinks he can do what he wants because his dad owns the team... we know the answer.
Stroll left a huge gap and still managed to crash in to Riccardo… If there was no gap like Riccardo and Piastri, I guess it would be a racing incident, but all the blame is on stroll for this…
Okay, it was different circumstances once Alonso's chain reaction got to Stroll, and the whole reason it happened in the first is at least partly because of Alonso.
I mean this is racing and not normal traffic, but in a traffic accident Lance would get 100% of the blame aswell. Ricciardo said it completely right, in that position (maybe the top 5 can do it) it's not your place to look that deep into the corner...
I can see how Stroll sort of was just at the wrong place of a chain reaction, but it's more so his response and refusal to take responsibility that really makes him look bad.
I agree. The incident was unfortunate, but definately his fault. For him to subsequently attempt to blame others shows that he will never learn for thisd kind of thing. Time to go.
Look at how close daniel is himself to the mclaren, stroll just got unlucky@lukedaniels7750
Alonso's heavy breaking was quite irresponsible and dangerous.
Where was his penalty?
@@JLvatron You're part of the group that blamed Alonso for Russel crashing in Melbourne huh? Based on your logic, everyone who locks up and makes anyone behind step on the brakes should get a penalty. And therefore everyone behind can freely slam into the car in front without penalization because it's the front guy's fault, not on you as a driver to manage your distance and not hit people. Come on man, that just makes no sense at all.
@@JLvatron Feel free to cite the rule that Alonso broke, that warrants a penalty. You won't get off with a generic "hurr durr dangerous driving" though.
He really did stroll into Riccardo
And he needs to Stroll right out of F1
It's that constant Tina effect, he said so himself. If only we could find out who Tina is we could end all his problems overnight.
more like he really did a Stroll into Ricciardo
😂🤣
@@Womberto Certainly not "Turner" otherwise he'd have missed him
"I guess I was the guy who hit the guy in front of my car that I got a penalty?"
Yes Lance that's usually how it works
🤣🤣 i thought the same
He even called it a racing incident. Lance, you are not racing when under SC.
I said that out loud when i heard it.
this comment made me spit out my water
-where is palmer?
-fernando, palmer is doing an analysis of your onboard
- KARMA!
😢
Palmer the penalty merchant
A YOKE
-Where's Karma?
-Fernando, Karma retired from the race.
-Palmer!
He had more room than everyone else and he was the only one to crash.
Alternative view, he thought he had a clear run to accelerate and got caught out
@@teamcoalhapcharcoal Actual View: Stroll isn't looking where he is going.
@@georgebarker1894or he's look ahead to get a better start, like Alonso did and that's wht cause the whole thing. Everone was looking at Max. Lance being where he was just had to much speed, why would u assume they are still going slow outta the hairpin.
@@peachulemonbecause he's meant to be a professional, one of e best in the world. So he should be able to anticipate all possible scenarios and drive accordingly.
@@user-qf7dl2ki4t Therefore no mistakes should ever happen, no one should ever crash, and anyone who crashes or hits another car should lose their drive immediately
“I don’t understand”
yep that’s right Stroll
I mean Daniel crashed into Alex in Japan but he owned up to it. I'm sure everyone would have been okay with it had Lance just admit his mistake.
Another major difference is almost all professional drivers came out and said "that was unfortunate" for Danny's crash. Whereas drivers are saying "Lance could have stopped" for this one.
Exactly. I've cut Stroll so much slack and find myself defending him all the time, but not owning up to his mistake and apologizing for it just makes him look ridiculous.
If he'd owned up to it, he'd still be an idiot for looking at the apex of the corner when 3 cars are braking ahead of him in a straight line.
@@DNeonLamp Because Daniel wasn't blaming other people for his mistake.
@@DNeonLamp if he looked ahead probably would have saw brake dust and reacted... Alonso was first to brake then they all checked up...
1:29 it's called Strollentina Effect
i don't think he understands anything tbh
Concertina, like an old accordion. A way of saying things that are very spread out get pressed very closed together
The problem is, Lance HAD enough distance to adjust, but he wasn’t paying attention to his front car. If he was just very close to Daniel at the first place and couldn’t avoid the sudden breaking no matter what, it is absolutely normal incident, sadly that’s not the case.
No, I don't think he was expecting a sudden stoppage on track. In most cases it would be considered erratic driving. His teammate basically did the same thing and probably only avoided it because he had more distance to the ferrari and had soft tires which are warmer and would brake better.
@@ErickMcNerney It's a sharp last corner to the straight but the drivers know this and need to pay more attention, that's their job. You should get into high level sim racing and you'll know exactly what happened here. Strolls fault for not paying attention to the car in front and/or leaving enough room to not rear end the car in front. Much like road rules, under a safety car if you rear end the car in front no matter what it's your fault. What about that is hard to understand?
@@ErickMcNerney Of course he wasn't expecting it, hence the not paying attention, if he was paying attention he would have caught the unexpected earlier, like every other driver in the field.
Alonso almost did the same thing but got his eyes on the road again in time. Stroll clearly didn't have his eyes on the road, because his instant reaction was to say that Ricc "slammed on his brakes for no reason" when he should have seen the massive cloud of smoke from Alonso's car and already been on the brakes himself...
But Alonso didn't. He's the reason the pile up happened. Alonso didn't have the concertina effect to contend with, either - as Alonso caused the issue.
The last car isn't going to have the hardest time to react to the situation. Essentially an incident caused by Alonso, but Lance made it worse. We don't have to make excuses for Alonso. He's an experienced driver.
Stop. It was Stroll's fault. End of story. @@ErickMcNerney
Mate Nico Rosberg told in the live broadcast right after this incident that you can see barely enough through the cockpit and that it's much less than what the cameras show. He said you can essentially see the car ahead and pray the 2-3 cars ahead of the one in front of you are driving properly. Stroll couldn't have seen Alonso's lockup at all
@dangerous1a200 yes, he could. He could see the cloud of smoke. Stop making excuses, his eyes weren't on the car infront and it caused him to crash.
@@bipolarminddroppingsclouds of smoke come from a small inconsequential lockup too. You talk like you've driven plenty of open wheel races to be so confident in your opinion
Was Stroll texting?!
Was Alonso?
@@ErickMcNerney No. World champion professional drivers are 100% focused on the job at hand.
@@BenAdam-om2hrstroll not a professional race driver. stroll is a professional rich kid with daddy’s money
😂😂😂
3:12 THROUGH GOES HÜLKENBERG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hulk for Strolls seat, experience matters
@@_que stoll has experience but terrible judgement.
@@_que Nah... Hulk is going to Audi replacing Bottas next year. Audi wanted a german driver for one of their car.
Interestingly, Lance Stroll onboardcamera confirms that he was not looking ahead until the moment of impact.
Agreed. You can clearly see his helmet facing directly toward the apex
Fernando gets 3 penalty points for racing hard against Saiz, but Stroll gets only 2 penalty points for being a complete idiot and crashing into the back Ricciardo. What is the logic behind that? Unbelievable decision making.
Perhaps they took into consideration that Alonso started the hole mess in the first place by locking up trying to avoid the Ferrari.
Then, how come the other drivers didn't crash?@@ErickMcNerney
It was hard racing until he dove down the inside, shoving Sainz off the track and even then only barely staying on it himself.
I’ve never seen them hand out penalties for making a mistake like that. So if Alonso isn’t perfect he gets a penalty? (Yes, I’m being dramatic)
wonder if it's just lawrence's money
Another thing to note with Stroll is that between the 200m and 150m boards, there is no rev lights on the dash in 3rd. At about 125m he accelerates, changes to 4th, 45m drops back to 3rd then stops using engine braking (to 2nd) and sends DR to the moon.
Nothing better than RPMF1 analysis of Stroll's performance
Perfectly reasonable criticism
You really are (insert 25 seconds of every possible insult) west ham United fan.
I can imagine Jolyon secretly enjoying some RPM
nUtHin sErYous
"Put some jam on a window and lock the door for CHRIST!"@@yanikdavid3708
Uncool to constantly blame Tina.
Where is the telemetry to show the reaction times of each driver to see if any one driver reacted to slower than another?
I'm looking for this comment incl. info on
distance between the cars, brake distance and speed.
Maybe tire temperatures.
You don’t need telemetry, it’s just eyes, brain and reaction. Cleary something is missing in the Stroll analytical process….😂
@@dingoeatswolf3663 nah, F1 needs all the telemetry. They have AWS "close to the wall" thingy. Just need to bring in a neuro company as sponsor
If you can't tell who reacted fast and who didn't I don't think racing is for you. JFC, people can be so obtuse. And in case you don't understand, just look at who crashed and who didn't.
@@jameylawson8743 not saying Stroll is not to blame, but if I can get braking and lift to the meter and hundredth of a second to give Alonso a penalty in Melbourne I also want that data for a crash under the safety car
Technically, Hulkenberg should not have been allowed to go through. Stroll and Ric may have been “crashing” but neither left the track over the white lines and Ric is within 5 car lengths of the McLaren infront at the moment Hulk goes down the inside. So Ric hasn’t slowed considerably which is one of the rules that permits cars behind overtaking under SC. So if Ric choose to take that wide slower line voluntarily (and there was no contact with Stroll) the drivers behind would have to stay behind. So why does Hulk get to overtake? Just because two cars touch? That makes little sense. Yes Hulk is avoiding a crash - and safety first is key - but really Daniel should have been allowed to take the position back, and the race director should have communicated this to RB Cash App. I’m yet to hear anyone refute this line of argument.
eh, you want most of the grid to stay behind a broken, retiring car?
Technically, that makes little sense.
@@vannustube There was no grid at this point as the race was well underway. It's great you feel like you want to be part of the conversation but please, learn basic racing vocab if you're going to try to contribute.
@@michaelc3977 grid also refers to all the cars. please consider taking your own advice.
@@vannustube RIC retired after a couple of racing laps after it was clear he had too much damage. Are you saying Hulk knew in an instant that RIC would have to retire?? Should have been black flag for Hulk on that illegal overtake, RIC never left the track, nor stopped.
@@de1623 yes, Hulk saw the crash right in front of him.
it is fair for him to expect RIC to be damaged after that crash.
RIC obvious wanted to try to keep going - we have all seen times when drivers with only 3 wheels still drive back to the pits.
I love Palmer's analysis , they always fell unbiased and fair. Palmer should be a F1 Steward :D
100 % agree
he'd penalize Ricciardo for NOT hitting Piastri.
@@grumpy9478 I don't think that's what he said
@@ivanbaric5132 it's what I said.
@@grumpy9478 what are you on about?
Just like ricciardo and albon in japan 2 weeks ago off the start, but the irony then was that ricciardo was looking at Stroll so he ran into albon. He was already scared of stroll...
yea..seriously 😆
Ricciardo crashed because he was looking at Stroll, but Stroll hit Ricciardo because he wasn't looking at him 😂
@@pooyakhalili406 Clearly we can see why he was so worried about Stroll being close by in Japan
sometimes is hard to predict what others doing in front.
it's at Stroll but alonso and Ricciardo just got away with others by a hair.
Maybe if he got less gap between he wouldn't.
It's strange ,palmer doesn't mention after Alonso locked up everyone just suddenly was follows his Alonso's line.
Sometimes it happening on a restart when people tapping the cars in front for misjudging.
Take Hamilton vs Vettel or San Marino.
I think there's also easier for cars in front to see and guess what leaders are doing.
Because it happens to be Stroll again people judge him more harshly.
I'm a fan of KMag but nobody really mention his ended Tsunoda's race.
Under safety car muppet
The only thing I fell you've missed is the brake check by Sainz on Alonso- go ahead and replay how the gap widely opens between Sainz and the car in front of him on corner entry as Sainz hits the brakes unnecessarily before accelerating through the corner. This ultimately led to Alonso's actions and all that comes thereafter.
So Riccardo gets smacked from behind, and when he wants to retake his place back he is penalized? Why?
Not allowed to overtake under safetycar.
Exactly and yet hulk overtake is allowed? DR was still on track and didn't stop.
@@10001000101 that's explained in the video: Hulkenberg "overtook"... a crash.
@@nieko3038 Yet Hulkenberg gets a free pass?
RB have to appeal this one, Stroll was guilty of the crash yet RIC has to surrender position???
A small bump would have been a racing incident at best, if there's not enough distance to stop. Stroll just didn't brake at all. He lacked any spacial awareness whatsoever.
Yeah. This. Asides from everything else afterwards, the fact that he plowed right under DR's rear end and launched it in the air shows a complete lack of attention to the immediate surroundings that could affect him. DR had less space just before the concertina started and just managed to brush the back of Piastri's car. Probably wouldn't have damaged it or even been felt by him. Alonso had more space, and reacted quicker than Stroll when he saw his space closing quicker than expected. He also turned to avoid on the outside. I get Alonso looking forward, cos the car 3-4 ahead in the corner is the leader that is making the decision on when to go. Stroll being closer to 10 cars back should really be reacting to those around him, like Oscar, DR, and Hulk were.
I'm sorry but Alonso locks up did Russel hit him? Did Piastri hit Russel? DR didn't even hit Piastri, they all managed to no hit each other just Stroll. That's it.
Don't be sorry. You're 100% correct. Next they'll be bringing up Stroll's childhood.
Ricciardo getting the Grid drop penalty in Miami for taking the place back from Hulk later on is just the most cruel thing.
I think Stroll should've been more careful in that corner, for that reason Stroll was the prize winner of the "Torpedo of the day".
Stroll never recognizes (much less admits) his errors. Thus, he never learns from them... & repeats. What's the point of the Super License if that type of driver is repeatedly given a pass?
Great vid, these things happen on the highway too when traffic slows down
Exactly. All that’s to it, never mind the ‘drama’ behind drivers involved
When it comes to Stroll and Sargent it's always drama brings the clicks.
@@tom69pl they are supposed to be the top 20 best racers in the world...Clearly some of them didn't get there by skill.
@@TravisHi_YT Italian F4 champion in 2014, Toyota Racing Series champion in 2015, and 2016 FIA European Formula 3 champion
That's why you're supposed to keep a 2 seconds gap with the car in front. No one does where I live and there's a crash almost every day in the busiest sections.
Cycling Mikey has footage of Stroll on his phone just before the crash. 😂
Alonso reacted with no contact. Riccardo reacted with no contact. Stroll ... lalala wham!
Eh, Alonso was marginal, making the same mistake as Lance, just with enough room to bail out of the corner. Maybe he gets the benefit of being far enough ahead in the queue to be able to make the mistake.
Can someone explain why Hulkenberg was allowed to overtake Ricciardo despite RIC never going off track and keeping the car going?? RB need to appeal this penalty!!!!!!!!!
Can’t wait to see the comments section
the RUclips comment section knows best.
This is partly on FIA too. Since you're not allowed to be side by side with any driver any more you have everyone having to drive in a single que. That increases the risk of rearending someone and makes the constaino effect a lot worse.
You can thank max verstappen for that
@@alanliang1870*For again being such a talented freak of nature that they had to make rules to address it*
FTFY
This is not Indy Car rolling start, this's F1.
@@andis9076 safety car restarts are rolling starts. You know as much about F1 as Lance Stroll
Honestly Carlos suits Ferrari perfectly, it’s a shame we’re gonna have to watch him leave
I couldn't possibly agree with you more on that one, my friend...& I think that the 40 y/o Hamilton (by the time the season begins next year) will be truly woeful as his replacement...
And everybody is cheering Alonso for not warming up his tires behind the safety car and driving straight, like Kimi once did. This may have been the start of the chain reaction that caused Stroll to Stroll Ricciardo lol
It was the start of the chain reaction. But it doesn't remove all blame from Stroll.
"Tennis, anyone?"
Might be random, but recently I'm thinking of Seb's "RRRRRINGDIGADINGDINGDINGGGGG" and "I'M GOING HOME" 😂 Must be the two funniest things I've ever heard an F1 driver say
I like how stroll doesnt even know why he was very clearly wrong lol
He is wrong. But he's also right in a broader sense. The mistake that brought blame onto him, was done in the exact same manner by Alonso and Riccardio a few secondes before. Stroll was just less lucky because his lack of situational awareness caused the crash to happen.
@@orchidahussuhadihcro9862 I'm glad there's still people who love the sport instead of insanely fight depends of who they supporting.
It's sad seeing Sainz leave Ferrari :/
for real, but he might go to audio. Depends on what max verstappn does
I would like to see him beat Russell
@@SpectreX-ps1jhwhy would max do anything other then stay at red bull? 😅
@@antonfloor344, I like Sainz, but there's no way he beats Russell in his current form. Ferrari is replacing him with Hamilton who is largely a straight downgrade from George Russell at this point.
Especially seeing him be replaced by a much worse driver.
interesting that Alonso & Stroll are looking at the leaders, while Ricciardo & Hulkenberg are looking at the cars in ahead of them
Because there was a huge gap between Alonso-sainz and stroll- Ric. That they glanced at the leaders/apex without expecting that the gap would reduce to inches abruptly. Alonso was vigilant and lucky enough to save it but Lance wasn't.
Drive to Survive has some nice juicy content for next season.
All in all, the X factor was Alonso doing what Stroll would do seconds later further ahead, he managed to break, nobody could overtake without collisions so a single file formed, Stroll then left a gap in front so he could look ahead of the pack like Alonso did (even if there it was thanks to Sainz) and he collided.. only difference between the start and end is that Sainz wasn't breaking as hard as Ricciardo so no incident and the trailers couldn't overtake like Hulk did. Both Astons did the same ultimately.
The difference is that Alonso has the required awareness of an F1 driver and reacted, Stroll was only interested in the apex and started braking when he was already striking Ricciardo.
Not the same man, STOP NOT HOLDING HIM ACCOUNTABLE, Stroll has a habit of creating bizarre incidents due to a clear incompetence in wheel to wheel.
This is the most dangerous kind of drivers.
Ultimately they didn't at all, one crashed and one didn't, ultimately 😂
@@tfolmer1234 Had Carlos didn't turn at that point, Alonso would plow into him as well
Jolyon is the greatest asset to the f1 broadcasting team. Really no British / Hamilton bias from him unlike Sam and Alex J who are insufferable.
Agree the art of commentary has been lost. All the current lead commentators are such try-hards and full of themselves. Alex is as insufferable as Croft. I watch with French commentary now even though I barely understand it.
Jolyon always does the best analysis and comments!
Hulkenberg purposefully staggered his line in order to get a better view. Experience. You can even see him tilting his head whilst looking forward for maximum view.
clearly Stroll has never driven in rush hour traffic
There is a reason why Alonso didn't run into Sainz and Danny Ric almost avoided Oscar. The thing is called skill and reactions. My friend, Mr. Stroll (to be pronounced with a silent S) doesn't have a lot of either of those...
I wish the F1 TV app worked well enough for me to watch the full version of this
The onboard is interesting. They're coming out of safety car conditions and are super bunchrd up. Its like they're starting the race over.
Instead of watching what's happening in front of him, and being able to react, Stroll is gazing into the apex. If he was paying attention,and not day dreaming like he normally is, Stroll could have done what Niko did
Quand tu dit que tu fais un double tour avec l’élastique comment tu fait exactement ?
Sinon belle progression 💪🏾😎
I love this..
Alonso and Stroll do the EXACT same thing, but because it's Stroll...
“No brainer” should be Lance’s middle name
All the best to everyone
I wasn't aware that he ever had a middle name? Only that his father changed the family name from Strulovich (Russian Jewish) to Stroll...
He doesn't even know the word concertina ("constantina")
Consantino is a Magician. Perhaps he meant to say that?
The main big point is, Fernando did lock up, he was looking at the race leader but, he had a bigger gap between him and Carlos, big enough to make changes suddenly but, Stroll was watching the corner when he literally had smaller gap between Daniel and him. You could say that Daniel could have tapped Oscar but, it would have been a small love tap rather than Shoving below the car like Lance did. You can't put the blame on Alonso because, there was no incidents and almost no changes. Nico shows how you should react when someone in front of you stops suddenly. It's fully on Stroll.
That Astom Nartin is a weapon.
I don't even get why Stroll at his position was looking at leaders, in my racing experience (limited at national level only) it makes sense to watch next 3-5 cars at most, whatever leaders do, you will rather depend on what your direct opponents do, especially if you want to exploit any mistake on their side. It's not like if the Max would push hard out of that corner, that the rest of the cars would straight accelerate and Stroll would be able to turn there at 250km/h, it was slow turn ahead anyway.
Lord Strullovic
Nice explanation. Thanks for providing the context. It does provide some context for Lance not being a complete and utter pillock just mostly a pillock.
My hope is to go to an F1 race someday. Grew up watching F1 with my dad and watched again since 2020. Just can't afford it with South African Rand.
Is it me or every time I play a f1 video. A f1 ad showes up😂
A collision is when cars hit each other. Not if they are close.
Allowing the first driver to decide where and when is a big issue. F1, FiA and Stroll are at each other's same level currently.
“Lance stroll and Daniel Ricciardo crash” is an interesting way to say “Lance Stroll carelessly drives into another driver yet again”
Video length - 4:47
Video length for everyone in the comments - 0:01
A few drivers seemingly forgetting they were approaching a hairpin!
"He Strolled into the back of him"
This is going to be the new "he came in like a torpedo".
We all know what happened to the torpedo, it might be time now for Stroll.
standing starts only
3:37 the point winning move for Hulk
Kimi: "I mean if he can't see in front of him, then he should try the reporting stuff!" 😂 Strolllolololol
Always do great show!🏎
Why do you keep going on about how close Riccardo was, whether he is an inch or a mile from Pastri doesn't change the fact that it was Lance who smashes into Danny Ric. Stroll then took no responsibility. Do we need an analysis on if Lance thinks he can do what he wants because his dad owns the team... we know the answer.
The other two were crashing🤷♂️ lol
Everyone slowed down for a tight hairpin, shocker
Alonso: I'm starting it
Lance: I'll beat you to it
😂😂😂
pretty evident sainz slammed on brakes
we need also analize from maldonado to this one 😅
Stroll left a huge gap and still managed to crash in to Riccardo… If there was no gap like Riccardo and Piastri, I guess it would be a racing incident, but all the blame is on stroll for this…
Both AM drivers are becoming dangerous to others.
Stroll has never been told no, you can notice...
Can we get a Shanghai Slam on the next F1 cocktail menu?
I dont get why Stroll is allowed in f1.
Ok so basically fernando was in the exact same position as stroll but didnt hit the car infront whereas stroll did
Okay, it was different circumstances once Alonso's chain reaction got to Stroll, and the whole reason it happened in the first is at least partly because of Alonso.
Man, F1 is milking every bit of impressions from this 😂
My only real issue with Lance was not accepting responsibility after the fact. He should've just said "my bad", rather than trying to make excuses.
I mean this is racing and not normal traffic, but in a traffic accident Lance would get 100% of the blame aswell. Ricciardo said it completely right, in that position (maybe the top 5 can do it) it's not your place to look that deep into the corner...
Wheres Storlls grid place pen for driving past Daniel after shunting him off? 🤔
Wait, seeing this again makes it worse for Stroll! Alonso had less space to react and missed Sainz…
Stroll couldn't get out of a car park without an accident...
"You can't improve if you never admit mistakes" - Not Lance Stroll
We all got (Danny) Ric-Strolled!
Too busy thinking what flavour jam he'll be spreading on the window post-race
It's not Car Loss, it is Carlos.
So much bad luck for some of these drivers while not even have a competing car at all.
Alonso was not heating his tires just before
Stroll needs to go full heel. “Daddy’s bought me a car and I do what I want!”
Where is Palmer?
Stroll has professional level racing driver excuses, I'll give him that
That’s it 20 seconds for Alonso
Stroll goat < stop the hate>