I just got one of these recently and I’m excited to use it for shows. In the past I’ve had laptop issues and love that this eliminates it. I had a Cymatic LP16 and was also interested in the midi out because I knew that theoretically you can also convert to DMX for lights. It took me and my pals awhile to get it to work, so thank you for putting up a video like this. Also, that trick with sending vocals back to the aux and blending it in? Wild stuff. I have a large IEM rack with a mixer on board, but if I can get this thing to also send my vocals back then it just makes our lives that much easier
just ordered one. I’ve been using the boss rc5. It’s unreliable. For loading tracks you have to use their website. This sometimes works and sometimes the files unexpectedly corrupt. I’m totally over it. I’m looking forward to using the unit to assist with auditioning pre written stems and gigging in my duo.
Hi, yes, the outputs and AUX input are balanced: - 6 impedance balanced mono outputs : 1/4" jack. 8.4dBu (2.04Vrms) - Stereo headphone output: 3.5 mm jack. 10dBu (2.5Vrms) per channel (left or right) unloaded. - Balanced mono aux input: 3.5 mm jack. 8.7dBu (2.1Vrms) single ended or 15.3dBu balanced input signal with hard clip overvoltage protection set at 9dBu (2.2Vrms) single ended and 18dBu (4.4Vrms) differential. (here is a link to the full spec sheet) 👍 Hope that helps
@@thedowntownlights4021 it's a converted basement that I've turned into classrooms. I still need to do loads of sound treatment, hence the reverb, but it's on the list of jobs to do 👍😁
I have very little experience with so cards, so is P1 limited to the size of the sd card or does it have internal storage. I can’t find anything about memory in the user manual?
Hi Andy, the Idoru doesn't have internal storage, it just uses SD cards, the advantage of that is you can increase the storage by having multiple cards which are fairly cheap. This is from the manual: "The SD card should be formatted as FAT32 (if it is a 32GB card then it should already be FAT32 when you buy it). This means the maximum storage available will be 32GB on the card, even if you use a larger card. 32GB storage can contain approximately 50 hours of 16bit 44.1kHz wav files." Hope that helps 👍 I still haven't run out of storage on my 1st card. * A 32gb SD card is usually around $12 or €10 for something like "SanDisk"
@@JbLessons Thank you so much for your help! I was just looking through the manual so you have saved me a lot of time. While I was watching your video in the section where you chopped up audio for looping 3 sections, it inspired me with this idea. I don't know if it would work but I'll run it by you. 1) When you record/create your audio loops you could have the same loop in the same key with different sounds, eq or instrumentation. 2) Load both variation loops for each section into the Idoru (6 loops = 2 variations of 3 loop sections). 3) Use you little mixer to fade between the 2 loops of each section. I think you could have a lot of fun with that. I'll try it when I get mine as I'm sold on the Idoru after seeing you Video. 😃
Hi, sorry for the late reply, I'm not sure but if you go onto the website there is the manual available for download and an FAQ section which should have the information that you need: support.idoru.live/
Not only do I have to purchase this device, but this video is showing I need a mixer? I thought the P-1 had the mixer internal?? From Ali Express???? Not exactly a "quality" distributor of musical gear, but I digress- Please detail how this would work for a solo acoustic act using only a Quad Cortex and a Laney LFR 112. The Laney has an Aux In-How would I route tracks to the Laney? The Quad Cortex doesn't have 6 inputs so I would be mixing say, Drums/Bass together as a single wav file and maybe a rhythm guitar and backing vocal. Last question-When you download/import stems to the P-1, is there any synch/timing issues? Or does the stem(s) have the time/beat signature? The lights and midi stuff were superfluous to the video. It looks like this a fantastic unit but I really would like to know how this would integrate with my existing setup since I don't have 6 inputs on my Quad Cortex
Hi, It's always difficult to get a feel for the emotion intended when reading text so perhaps I'm reading your comment completely wrong but it came across as just a lot of criticism, not a single kind word but then also asking for help. I don't work for Idoru, yes, I was sent the product to make the review but I didn't receive any money nor is there an affiliate link. For my purpose as a solo performer the MIDI controlling the DMX was one of the main reasons I wanted to try the P1, the section about MIDI programming can be applied to programming a number of things such as amp channel switching and effect parameters - but as it isn't relevant to everyone I included timestamps to make it easier to skip to whichever section is best for the viewer. You don't "have" to purchase anything, that is purely your choice. I chose a cheap mixer from Aliexpress to demonstrate that it will work with anything and I don't have the need for a larger more expensive mixer at this time, again, you can choose what you want. The P1 does have an internal mixer, it allows you to change the volume and the routing for each STEM within the unit itself as I demonstrated in the video. On the Idoru you can have 6 outputs (7 if you want to use the headphones too) from what I can find online your cab has AUX/MP3 in - you could route all your stems through 1 output in the P1 and plug in to this, you would have to control the STEM volume from within the P1. The Quad Cortex looks like it has 2 inputs and 2 sends and return, I think you would be able to use 4 outputs for this (minus however many you would need for your vocals / guitar you already use) you would then be able to adjust the output levels within the Quad Cortex too. (this is all just my first thoughts, I don't have either of the things you asked about, it's just an idea). The advantage of using an external (physical) mixer is you can adjust things on the fly, in the middle of performing. Yes, if you have less outputs available you would route STEMS together, I think you can adjust the volume of the STEMS and the overall output volume separately, but that question would be better asked to Idoru directly, I wouldn't want to mislead you with wrong information. When I have imported STEMS into the P1 nothing has changed or altered in anyway, the BPM is just a visual reference for the flash, it doesn't apply any time stretching. I hope that answers your questions, if not please send a reply and I'll do my best to help, All the best, Jb 👍🏻
Michael.....I don't own the Idoru, but I'll try to explain based on my knowledge. The imputs on the QC are irrelevant. What you would do, is record your stems in your DAW of choice. I use Studio One 6, but you can use Reaper, Logic, Ableton, etc. Once you've recorded the stems...all at the same length, you simply copy them to the Idoru. You don't NEED to have each stem on it's own output. You can combine say, bass and drums to come out of one common output. For MY useage, at church, I'm using a 1010 Music Blackbox. I use 2 tracks on our X32 for my "backing tracks." One channel receives the rhythm guitar, pads, piano, etc that I've created in Studio One. The other channel receives the click and cues...again, created in Studio One. SO....I'll assign guitar, pads, piano to output 1, for instance, then assign clicks and cues to channel 2. I could still adjust levels in the Idoru of each individual stem to get the right mix. At the X32, the tracks are sent out to the house, while the clicks and cues are only send to out monitor mix....so the band can hear everything, but the audience can only hear the music, no clicks or cues. What YOU could do, is route all of the tracks that you want the audience to hear to ONE single output on the Idoru, and send out from either one output to your Aux in on the Laney, or possibly from the headphone out to the aux in of the Laney. Your QC will be connected as you usually connect it (I assume out 1 to the input of the Laney) If you wanted to get creative, you COULD send your Idoru output BACK into the QC with a cable going to either the QC input that you aren't using, OR into the 2 QC effects loop returns...SO....I'm assuming you have guitar into one QC input, and a microphone into the other? Then both sharing the same QC ouput to go to the Laney? (mixing the levels within the QC itself?) You still have the 2 send/returns, available (unless you have anything in the effects loop already) The REAL advantage of the Idoru, that I haven't found available on other options is the ability to send Midi changes on a stem. In just about any DAW, you can enter midi commands into a track with messages that can change midi controlled hardware. JB demonstrated with lights...but you can also do it with the QC. Say you have Scenes set up on the QC for "verse," "chorus," "bridge," "solo," etc....in your DAW, you can program a midi command at the start of each of those sections. Connect your QC to the Idoru via midi, load your midi command stem, and you'll never have to step on a footswitch. The Idoru will send the midi change commands to the QC, and it will happen automatically at the appropriate place in the song.
@@JbLessons Thank you for that response-Greatly appreciated. Apologies-it's just that my search for devices has led me down a very long and dark rabbit hole. A total of 5 devices have been paid for and sent back, thanks to a generous return policy. Forgive my post if it came across as being a harsh response-it was not my intention. Your post has given me the information I was not only looking for, but needed. Thank you. Still wondering how to use this device without a mixer. How does the Idoru connect to the Laney?
@@TJEvans98 I use Studio One 5. I tried playing a MP3 of a song of mine-and exported it out. I attached Tablet to Laney and it sounded like it was only 1 channel. Plus, the Tablet did not allow for a volume increase/decrease. Did not know to export just stems with the Idoru, which in all honesty was an eye opener!! May as well confess here and now-the technology is daunting. Also, the Idoru is an expensive device, for me at this point in my life. Unknown if the company has a 30 day return policy. My originals are simple 3/4 chord rock/blues with an occasional acoustic number. I do not use any synths, probably the occasional backing vocals so in total, the tracks could be smaller in number or exporting drums and bass as a single stem. My rig consists of: Quad Cortex, Laney LFR 112. I would like to use the Idoru with my existing rig for smaller acoustic shows. As for the Midi capabilities-again, setting up the device to send commands to change Scenes (which I use) isn't even on the radar due to lack of knowledge-always found Midi setup to be daunting/confusing. Right now, the Idoru looks like the device I need, but price is a factor second only to being "unsure" as to the "how" I route 6 inputs to the AUX In on the Idoru (if that is possible) to attach to the Aux In on the Laney. Your post gave me more than enough information to see through the "haze" and I thank you.
@@michaelpal7641 If the Laney is your only "PA" I would do the following. I assume you feed the Laney from Out1 of the QC in mono. I would use the QC as mixer. In1 is the guitar, In2 is the Out1 of the Idoru. (You could also use the Return1 and Return 2 for a Stereo signal, but this is not necessary since the Laney has only one Mono input.) Create your songs in the Idoru as described above. I would create in my DAW mono wav steams and route all to Out1. Then, within the QC create an empty line for In2 (or put a Compressor or an EQ as you wish) and route it to Out2. Now you are mixing the backing track stems within the Idoru and the backing track and guitar signal in the QC and hear in the Laney what you wanted. You could even program and upload a MIDI track to the Idoru that sends the corresponding CC and PC messages to the QC for switching presets and effects.
I just got one of these recently and I’m excited to use it for shows. In the past I’ve had laptop issues and love that this eliminates it. I had a Cymatic LP16 and was also interested in the midi out because I knew that theoretically you can also convert to DMX for lights. It took me and my pals awhile to get it to work, so thank you for putting up a video like this.
Also, that trick with sending vocals back to the aux and blending it in? Wild stuff. I have a large IEM rack with a mixer on board, but if I can get this thing to also send my vocals back then it just makes our lives that much easier
@@daviddutton9723you're very welcome David, I'm so glad that the video was useful to you 👍
Thanks fr the video, really helpful.
just ordered one. I’ve been using the boss rc5. It’s unreliable. For loading tracks you have to use their website. This sometimes works and sometimes the files unexpectedly corrupt. I’m totally over it. I’m looking forward to using the unit to assist with auditioning pre written stems and gigging in my duo.
@@MyDateCoach I think it's great, I use it at most gigs for solo or duo 👍
Are the outputs balanced? The thing I love most about my PlayAudio12 is that I don't need to lug around a million DIs.
Hi, yes, the outputs and AUX input are balanced:
- 6 impedance balanced mono outputs : 1/4" jack. 8.4dBu (2.04Vrms)
- Stereo headphone output: 3.5 mm jack. 10dBu (2.5Vrms) per channel (left or right) unloaded.
- Balanced mono aux input: 3.5 mm jack. 8.7dBu (2.1Vrms) single ended or 15.3dBu balanced input signal with hard clip overvoltage protection set at 9dBu (2.2Vrms) single ended and 18dBu (4.4Vrms) differential.
(here is a link to the full spec sheet) 👍
Hope that helps
The B.Beat by M-Live plays backing tracks and videos and midi all in sync. Its a sophisticated device for around the same price. Cheers.
Does the Bbeat allow you to scroll backing track via foot switch?
Great video but what size is your room man?
@@thedowntownlights4021 it's a converted basement that I've turned into classrooms. I still need to do loads of sound treatment, hence the reverb, but it's on the list of jobs to do 👍😁
I have very little experience with so cards, so is P1 limited to the size of the sd card or does it have internal storage. I can’t find anything about memory in the user manual?
Hi Andy, the Idoru doesn't have internal storage, it just uses SD cards, the advantage of that is you can increase the storage by having multiple cards which are fairly cheap.
This is from the manual:
"The SD card should be formatted as FAT32 (if it is a 32GB card then it should already be FAT32 when you buy it). This means the maximum storage available will be 32GB on the card, even if you use a larger card. 32GB storage can contain approximately 50 hours of 16bit 44.1kHz wav files."
Hope that helps 👍 I still haven't run out of storage on my 1st card.
* A 32gb SD card is usually around $12 or €10 for something like "SanDisk"
@@JbLessons Thank you so much for your help! I was just looking through the manual so you have saved me a lot of time.
While I was watching your video in the section where you chopped up audio for looping 3 sections, it inspired me with this idea.
I don't know if it would work but I'll run it by you.
1) When you record/create your audio loops you could have the same loop in the same key with different sounds, eq or instrumentation.
2) Load both variation loops for each section into the Idoru (6 loops = 2 variations of 3 loop sections).
3) Use you little mixer to fade between the 2 loops of each section.
I think you could have a lot of fun with that. I'll try it when I get mine as I'm sold on the Idoru after seeing you Video.
😃
Any Ideas how to create a midi file for midi clock purposes?
Hi, sorry for the late reply, I'm not sure but if you go onto the website there is the manual available for download and an FAQ section which should have the information that you need: support.idoru.live/
Not only do I have to purchase this device, but this video is showing I need a mixer? I thought the P-1 had the mixer internal??
From Ali Express???? Not exactly a "quality" distributor of musical gear, but I digress-
Please detail how this would work for a solo acoustic act using only a Quad Cortex and a Laney LFR 112.
The Laney has an Aux In-How would I route tracks to the Laney? The Quad Cortex doesn't have 6 inputs so I would be mixing say, Drums/Bass together as a single wav file and maybe a rhythm guitar and backing vocal.
Last question-When you download/import stems to the P-1, is there any synch/timing issues? Or does the stem(s) have the time/beat signature?
The lights and midi stuff were superfluous to the video.
It looks like this a fantastic unit but I really would like to know how this would integrate with my existing setup since I don't have 6 inputs on my Quad Cortex
Hi,
It's always difficult to get a feel for the emotion intended when reading text so perhaps I'm reading your comment completely wrong but it came across as just a lot of criticism, not a single kind word but then also asking for help.
I don't work for Idoru, yes, I was sent the product to make the review but I didn't receive any money nor is there an affiliate link. For my purpose as a solo performer the MIDI controlling the DMX was one of the main reasons I wanted to try the P1, the section about MIDI programming can be applied to programming a number of things such as amp channel switching and effect parameters - but as it isn't relevant to everyone I included timestamps to make it easier to skip to whichever section is best for the viewer.
You don't "have" to purchase anything, that is purely your choice. I chose a cheap mixer from Aliexpress to demonstrate that it will work with anything and I don't have the need for a larger more expensive mixer at this time, again, you can choose what you want.
The P1 does have an internal mixer, it allows you to change the volume and the routing for each STEM within the unit itself as I demonstrated in the video. On the Idoru you can have 6 outputs (7 if you want to use the headphones too) from what I can find online your cab has AUX/MP3 in - you could route all your stems through 1 output in the P1 and plug in to this, you would have to control the STEM volume from within the P1. The Quad Cortex looks like it has 2 inputs and 2 sends and return, I think you would be able to use 4 outputs for this (minus however many you would need for your vocals / guitar you already use) you would then be able to adjust the output levels within the Quad Cortex too. (this is all just my first thoughts, I don't have either of the things you asked about, it's just an idea).
The advantage of using an external (physical) mixer is you can adjust things on the fly, in the middle of performing.
Yes, if you have less outputs available you would route STEMS together, I think you can adjust the volume of the STEMS and the overall output volume separately, but that question would be better asked to Idoru directly, I wouldn't want to mislead you with wrong information.
When I have imported STEMS into the P1 nothing has changed or altered in anyway, the BPM is just a visual reference for the flash, it doesn't apply any time stretching.
I hope that answers your questions, if not please send a reply and I'll do my best to help,
All the best,
Jb 👍🏻
Michael.....I don't own the Idoru, but I'll try to explain based on my knowledge.
The imputs on the QC are irrelevant. What you would do, is record your stems in your DAW of choice. I use Studio One 6, but you can use Reaper, Logic, Ableton, etc. Once you've recorded the stems...all at the same length, you simply copy them to the Idoru. You don't NEED to have each stem on it's own output. You can combine say, bass and drums to come out of one common output. For MY useage, at church, I'm using a 1010 Music Blackbox. I use 2 tracks on our X32 for my "backing tracks." One channel receives the rhythm guitar, pads, piano, etc that I've created in Studio One. The other channel receives the click and cues...again, created in Studio One. SO....I'll assign guitar, pads, piano to output 1, for instance, then assign clicks and cues to channel 2. I could still adjust levels in the Idoru of each individual stem to get the right mix. At the X32, the tracks are sent out to the house, while the clicks and cues are only send to out monitor mix....so the band can hear everything, but the audience can only hear the music, no clicks or cues.
What YOU could do, is route all of the tracks that you want the audience to hear to ONE single output on the Idoru, and send out from either one output to your Aux in on the Laney, or possibly from the headphone out to the aux in of the Laney. Your QC will be connected as you usually connect it (I assume out 1 to the input of the Laney)
If you wanted to get creative, you COULD send your Idoru output BACK into the QC with a cable going to either the QC input that you aren't using, OR into the 2 QC effects loop returns...SO....I'm assuming you have guitar into one QC input, and a microphone into the other? Then both sharing the same QC ouput to go to the Laney? (mixing the levels within the QC itself?) You still have the 2 send/returns, available (unless you have anything in the effects loop already)
The REAL advantage of the Idoru, that I haven't found available on other options is the ability to send Midi changes on a stem. In just about any DAW, you can enter midi commands into a track with messages that can change midi controlled hardware. JB demonstrated with lights...but you can also do it with the QC. Say you have Scenes set up on the QC for "verse," "chorus," "bridge," "solo," etc....in your DAW, you can program a midi command at the start of each of those sections. Connect your QC to the Idoru via midi, load your midi command stem, and you'll never have to step on a footswitch. The Idoru will send the midi change commands to the QC, and it will happen automatically at the appropriate place in the song.
@@JbLessons Thank you for that response-Greatly appreciated. Apologies-it's just that my search for devices has led me down a very long and dark rabbit hole. A total of 5 devices have been paid for and sent back, thanks to a generous return policy. Forgive my post if it came across as being a harsh response-it was not my intention. Your post has given me the information I was not only looking for, but needed. Thank you. Still wondering how to use this device without a mixer. How does the Idoru connect to the Laney?
@@TJEvans98 I use Studio One 5. I tried playing a MP3 of a song of mine-and exported it out. I attached Tablet to Laney and it sounded like it was only 1 channel. Plus, the Tablet did not allow for a volume increase/decrease.
Did not know to export just stems with the Idoru, which in all honesty was an eye opener!!
May as well confess here and now-the technology is daunting. Also, the Idoru is an expensive device, for me at this point in my life.
Unknown if the company has a 30 day return policy. My originals are simple 3/4 chord rock/blues with an occasional acoustic number.
I do not use any synths, probably the occasional backing vocals so in total, the tracks could be smaller in number or exporting drums and bass as a single stem.
My rig consists of: Quad Cortex, Laney LFR 112. I would like to use the Idoru with my existing rig for smaller acoustic shows.
As for the Midi capabilities-again, setting up the device to send commands to change Scenes (which I use) isn't even on the radar due to lack of knowledge-always found Midi setup to be daunting/confusing.
Right now, the Idoru looks like the device I need, but price is a factor second only to being "unsure" as to the "how" I route 6 inputs to the AUX In on the Idoru (if that is possible) to attach to the Aux In on the Laney.
Your post gave me more than enough information to see through the "haze" and I thank you.
@@michaelpal7641 If the Laney is your only "PA" I would do the following. I assume you feed the Laney from Out1 of the QC in mono. I would use the QC as mixer. In1 is the guitar, In2 is the Out1 of the Idoru. (You could also use the Return1 and Return 2 for a Stereo signal, but this is not necessary since the Laney has only one Mono input.) Create your songs in the Idoru as described above. I would create in my DAW mono wav steams and route all to Out1. Then, within the QC create an empty line for In2 (or put a Compressor or an EQ as you wish) and route it to Out2. Now you are mixing the backing track stems within the Idoru and the backing track and guitar signal in the QC and hear in the Laney what you wanted. You could even program and upload a MIDI track to the Idoru that sends the corresponding CC and PC messages to the QC for switching presets and effects.
check out the B.Beat by M-Live. It plays wav files, video and MIDI all in sync.
you talk tooooooo much
@@jrgenlundsgaard9479 thank you for your constructive feedback, I have included time stamps so that you can skip ahead 😂