Ludwig vs Pork Pie - Both drums with Die-cast and Triple Flange Hoops
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- Опубликовано: 6 фев 2019
- I did a little strange experiment, where I not only did a shootout of two drums, but I also switched their hoops! Both drums with die-cast, and then both drums with triple flange hoops. Plus, I did two different tunings.
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That is the first time I've ever seen anybody do a comparison of triple flange and die cast hoops on the same drum. Excellent demonstration thank you for doing this!
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Thank you so much. This means a lot.
+1 !
Totally agree!
Thanks for another excellent video. A lot of drummers underestimate how much impact your choice of hoops has on the sound. Shows clearly in your video!
The Pork Pie with the die cast hoops is the sound that I dream about but haven't heard in reality. Thanks for this video. I now know exactly what I need to look for. Never knew the die cast hoops sounded so drastically different than the triple flanged.
It seems like the die cast sounds flatter?
I like the pie. Great snare. Grate tuning.
Thanks for your videos.
Very cool. I liked all of them!
Watched out of interest as I own the Pork Pie, and it's one of my two go-to snares (along with my 70s Premier 2000 14x5.5). The 'ideal' set up you went for (high tuning, die-cast hoops, and an Evans Genera Dry) is exactly how I keep it! Thanks for confirming I have the drum set up to it's very best!
what brand die cast hoops did you buy ? does it matter ? Ludwig vs DW, etc? I have PP BoB
Thanks for doing this! I like the Pork Pie too except there was some harmonic on the lower tuning with the flange hoop that I didn't like. The PP sounded better with the die cast hoop on the lower tuning.
They sound similar enough that playing style and mic choice and position will make all the difference.
Some ring to a snare is most often needed in a mix for it to sound lively enough. I'd rather have some excess ring that I can EQ out than not have ring & need some for the mix. So, for the most part I preferred the Ludwig. I did like the high-tuned Pork Pie with triple flanged hoops better than the Ludwig with flanged hoops. Great video.
Great video. Extremely helpful, thank you!
Excellent video and comparison. Thank you for sharing!
That Pork Pie with the HD Dry was terrific. Agreed on the Supra sitting better low.
Yeah I was impressed by the Pork pie with the die cast high and low and the triple flange high tune. If it was my drum I might do one step thinner on the evens dry for recording.
Awesome comparison! That Pork Pie sounds awesome!!
Interesting. Diecast made a big difference when tuning low. Thanks!
An excellent video that demonstrates clearly the subtle differences. The one noticeable difference I can hear is the die-cast hoops almost absorb some high-end overtones which one may want to remove without deadening the sound too much with dampening. Probably very useful in recording applications.
I agree completely
Question: with the BoB snare did you have any issues with the tension rods being too hard/tight to tune out of the box? I just bought one and most of the snare and batter side tension rods were way too tight when finger tightening and when trying to tune!!
Impressive comparison! I always believed the superphonic was always superior to most of metal snares... Brass shell seems to be a very nice option.
Great video comparison, I cranked up my ADAM Speakers and at the low tuning the two drums regardless of hoops sound completely interchangeable, but I think I liked the BOB Better than the Ludwig with the Die cast rims. At the high tuning with the triple flange the tuning change made it difficult as the BOB was tuned higher and sounds a bit choked out. I would go with the Pearl big brass Snare (BOB), wish I had one. Check out ; if you can find one, the TAMA JT147 or John Tempesta snare...WOW, wish I could afford one.
I have an S Hoop on my Pork Pie BOB. Brings a little magic to the proceedings Will certainly stick a die cast on it for comparison
Both are nearly indistinguishable tuned low with the die-cast. The Ludwig overall, seemed to have more over ring. However... I think I like the over ring when tuned high with the triple flanged hoops.
NOT ring !!! it's called sustain and there IS a diff.
Hi man! Really like the video! I was wondering what was the diecast hoop you used on the Pork Pie? It sounded great!
I tried a Pork Rub, same brass shell, with some aluminum die cast hoops and it sounded great! The aluminum is much lighter then the normal zinc but the casting made them rigid. Great trade-off!
Hmmm interesting!
I liked the HD Dry on the Pork Pie a lot. 👍
Yeah it sounded real nice.
Great vid dude! Thank you
Thanks for the video. I have been wondering what my BOB would sound like with a die cast rim. I play everything from hard rock to progressive bluegrass/Americana and need to have a range of sounds from the drum rather than a range of snare drums!
Die cast hoops not only looks good but makes a big difference in sound
Dude check out the Tama Starclassic bubinga 14x6.5 snare. It's my new favorite. I have used black beauty clones for years. The Tama is the first wood snare that got my attention. Stock heads and wires makes it sound great. Can only imagine what it will sound like upgraded.
Is that the shell that’s a mix w birch ?
At 4:47...KILLER fat yet punchy snare tone.
I am obviously bias, as I own the Pork Pie BoB and use die cast with a high tuning, but man you really nailed it. I try to use some form of dampener because I still do get a little ring out of it when it's tuned tight, so throwing a moon gel pad on there makes this, to me, one of the best sounding bang for your buck snares
Pork Pie has a lot of smack. Is it me or seems that you played a lot more ghost notes with Ludwig?
Awesome content as always!
Eye-opening !
Awesome video thank you! At the end I love the HD dry head on the pork pie... Which hoop was on it at that point? I think that snare sound was by far the best out of any in the entire video
That's definitely the triple flanged hoop.
I had thought that I will have to put a lot of attention to hear the difference between die-cast and triple flange hoops, but there is a lot of difference! I have a supraphonic with tripe-flange hoops and now I want to get some die-cast for it.
Yeah I didn’t expect that kind of difference either. Eye opening.
I have diecast on my Supra with tube lugs for the killer combo.
In my opinion both snares sounds great.
Cool vid ..
Definitely bang for buck the pork pie big black bob!!!
Now this is a useful video!!!!
I use the pork pie with a emperor coated and love it.
I may use that if I buy the pork pie
Same here
The pie was killin the whole clip! But with the HD Dry it was at it’s best! The high slap was so ugly and the bottom was deep and sexy! Great drum, Great head!
Awesome. Yeah I like the drum but not in small spaces.
That same Pork Pie saved me in the studio the last time I recorded drums. I didn't have a very good snare with me as it was a rushed session and the owner of the studio had one. It totally saved the day!!! ...>>>
I liked the Die Cast in the Low Tunings and the Triple Flanged for the High Tunings! I feel like the Die Cast controlled and focused the tone better in the low tunings, and the Triple Flange almost seemed to open the drum up abit in the higher tunings and gave it abit of a thicker punchy splat (whatever you wanna call it lol, I just know I liked it lol) sound whereas the Die cast seemed abit tighter and snappier.
Yeah I like the die cast a lot. I thought the Pork Pie was terrible until I took it back to my own studio and did this video. Much respect for it now.
@@creativesoundlab Ya totally! I also never really thought about hoops until seeing this video! I've always just accepted what comes on a drum or what's laying around. I crazy to think how a hoop(along with tuning of course) can basically make or break a good snare sound. Maybe not make or break it , but make it that much better for the particular drum/tuning!!! Pays to do these experiments!!!
That Pork Pie sounds really nice especially with the die cast , no need for a Ludwig Black Beauty after hearing that!
I guess I'm the only guy who noticed it's not a Supraphonic. I see a Super sensitive. Other than that, I still like hearing the excellent comparison.
I don't understand Heavy hoops or Heavy heads on the snare...Just a moongel and you can control the ring as much as you want.
Pork Pie ftw. I definitely thought it edged out the Supra. At low tuning the BOB sounded cleaner, at high tuning it had a beautiful pop to it that the Supra didn’t. The Pork Pie brass snares are a great value, and after hearing a side by side like this how could you pay over 2x the price for a seamless shell? The sound doesn’t lie, seams don’t matter. I’d even argue that the seam is probably the factor that’s drying it out that little bit more and cutting down on dissonant overtones. Whatever it is, it sounds gorgeous!
Cool video idea and excellent execution, thank you sir 🙏
just sounds more muted. not in a good way to me.
the pork pie with the hd dry head sounded very good
Its funny how hoops can really change your sound great video
Yeah I had no idea until this video.
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From a songsound perspective: I prefer the Ludwig.... Why? Because there is much more details in the ghostnotes and more articulation.... It,s about the total: against a wall of guitars, or even other instruments, the Ludwig will keep up in its frequency-range...So: a more natural sound... The pork pie will loose details obviously then...
Love the I5 on snare :)
Thanks!
Forget them snares that bass drum tho!!! 👌🏾
Pork pie with die cast high tuning. Bangin
Preferred the Pork Pie every time.
I agree, with the die cast hoop it sounds amazing!
Pork pie + die cast + Remo + hi tuning = funk
God that pork pie with the die cast hoops.. to fuckin die for..
Wtf the drums aren't even tuned the same with different hoops
Great video.....take both of these drums home and choose, the Pork Pie doesn't cut it.
I'm a bit of a Tama fanboy, and I have to say I really love the Pork Pie with die-cast hoops (in all of your tunings and with both heads): such a crispy, clean bite with a fair amount of bottom-end. The Ludwig? Good, but not great.
The Pork Pie sounds better in every variation.
0:49 suprafronic
Pork pie 💙🤟
I like pork pie better in all scenarios, ludwig sounds kinda cheap imo, but I play a maple snare just my ear
wow, to me the Evans head sucked all of the life out of it; as they almost always do.
Wow, I prefer the Supraphonic in EVERY. SINGLE. EXAMPLE. That surprised the hell out of me.
BTW, should I be taking days off if my right hindquarter is feeling stiff? I am stoopid, and decided to try to learn a new instrument in my 30's.
Finally, about that semen pork pie......... can I substitute . . . . I don't know, butter?
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