Writing NON-ROMANTIC Character Relationships (Friendships, Parent-Child, Etc.)

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  • Опубликовано: 20 авг 2024

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  • @Wojw99
    @Wojw99 Год назад +98

    For me in the entire lotr trilogy there was nothing more epic, including all fantastic creatures and ride of rohirims, than the moment when Sam said “Come on, Mr. Frodo. I can't carry it for you… but I can carry you!”

  • @prehistorichero2755
    @prehistorichero2755 Год назад +68

    That’s true. Just because two characters are good friends doesn’t mean they’re a romantic couple no matter which gender. This is a problem I had with (most) shippers, as these people only choose two random characters to become a couple and outright forces their romantic relationship to canon and praising it if the writers do it for the sake of fan pandering. You can ship a character however you like, but forcing a ship in canon is where I draw the line.

    • @WriterBrandonMcNulty
      @WriterBrandonMcNulty  Год назад +17

      Yeah, sometimes it makes the bond seem even stronger because the two characters are sticking together because of their shared beliefs/values/interests/etc.

    • @tell-me-a-story-
      @tell-me-a-story- Год назад +8

      Yeah, older scooby doo fans tend to theorize they Velma’s a lesbian, (Beacause she’s chubby and has short hair, I geuss??)
      And ship her with girls.
      Modern scooby doo shows actually pandered to this.
      And if you’ve ever read warrior cats, people cept shipping ravenpaw and barley, even though that’s really messed up, as barley is raven paws father figure, but the authors made it “canon? (Ish)”
      For the sake of “representation”.

  • @didyoujust7810
    @didyoujust7810 6 месяцев назад +7

    Non romantic relationships are my favourite in fiction. Especially between siblings!

  • @berry186
    @berry186 Год назад +22

    Buzz and Woody (Toy Story Franchise)
    Aladdin and Genie and/or Magic Carpet
    Bad boys Franchise
    Dr. Strange and his cloak (his cloak saved him so many times)(Dr. Strange)
    Mike and Sully (Monster's, Inc.)

    • @WriterBrandonMcNulty
      @WriterBrandonMcNulty  Год назад +6

      All good ones. Dr. Strange and his cloak is a sneaky one too

    • @eliben4066
      @eliben4066 Год назад +2

      Buzz and Woodie was awesome. The only time where I was genuinely pissed the the hero chose love over friendship😞… Woody’s friends are irreplaceable

  • @eggscellent1257
    @eggscellent1257 Год назад +24

    I’ve bought Bad Parts and I’m about a quarter done. I gotta say, I really like the narration and dialogue so far! It all feels authentic and handled with care! I look forward to finishing it!

    • @WriterBrandonMcNulty
      @WriterBrandonMcNulty  Год назад +6

      Glad you're enjoying it! Hope it keeps you gripped till the end. Also, please consider leaving a brief Amazon review (only a sentence or two) when you finish. Reviews help a TON.

    • @eggscellent1257
      @eggscellent1257 Год назад +3

      @@WriterBrandonMcNulty Definitely will 🙌🏻

    • @WriterBrandonMcNulty
      @WriterBrandonMcNulty  Год назад +3

      @@eggscellent1257 Thanks!

  • @katiesherman6517
    @katiesherman6517 Год назад +5

    You just can’t beat Frodo and Sam! It’s not possible!

  • @WriterBrandonMcNulty
    @WriterBrandonMcNulty  Год назад +13

    What's your favorite non-romantic relationship from a movie? Let us know!

    • @theleavesblow8
      @theleavesblow8 Год назад +9

      Jim Hawkins and John Silver from Treasure Planet. I've always loved that bond they had.

    • @joshcrackedboooi2392
      @joshcrackedboooi2392 Год назад +5

      fin and jake from adventure time, gon and killowa from hunter x hunter. i can go on and on lol

    • @WriterBrandonMcNulty
      @WriterBrandonMcNulty  Год назад +1

      @@theleavesblow8 Haven’t seen Treasure Planet. Will add it to my list

    • @WriterBrandonMcNulty
      @WriterBrandonMcNulty  Год назад +1

      @@joshcrackedboooi2392 Hearing a lot about HunterxHunter in the comments sections these days

    • @joshcrackedboooi2392
      @joshcrackedboooi2392 Год назад +1

      @@WriterBrandonMcNulty there are good reasons. it realistically depicts how some of the tropes of action cartoons in japan would actually go if it were real

  • @tremokratis4971
    @tremokratis4971 11 месяцев назад +5

    You might wanna make a video about predatory publishing sites where they take full control on someone's works . to warn them

  • @opollitico
    @opollitico Год назад +7

    Your videos are always a joy, Brandon. Always

  • @iosyntropy
    @iosyntropy Год назад +12

    this isnt my favorite non romantic relationship from a movie but its a great example from: "crash" - a racist white police officer risks his life to save the life of a black woman he had harrassed days earlier who was trapped in a burning car. when their eyes meet in that moment. thats cinema. thats story telling.

    • @WriterBrandonMcNulty
      @WriterBrandonMcNulty  Год назад +1

      Haven't seen Crash. I'll add it to my list

    • @iosyntropy
      @iosyntropy Год назад +3

      @@WriterBrandonMcNulty its from the short lived era when screen play writers reached the peak of their skill, when the budgets were big before technology replaced writing as the producers means of selling a script. its within the realm of american beauty and requieum for a dream. its easily one of the most impressive screen plays ever written. I would say no country for old men is in this category. mid/late 90s to mid/late 2000s.

    • @WriterBrandonMcNulty
      @WriterBrandonMcNulty  Год назад +3

      @@iosyntropy Coincidentally, Crash got mentioned in a writing guide I’m reading, so now I have no choice but to watch it

    • @iosyntropy
      @iosyntropy Год назад +2

      @@WriterBrandonMcNulty haha very cool bran man. maybe you can incorporate it in a vid some time with all the momentous scenes where the characters cross paths. great flick i need to watch it again.

  • @gerrigarrick
    @gerrigarrick Год назад +4

    Vince vaughn and Owen Wilson in anything... they break some of these rules.. but their wit and charm save the day.

  • @Fubar2024
    @Fubar2024 3 месяца назад

    Thelma in Louise is my favorite all time movie. Nailed it!

  • @dissolution
    @dissolution 7 месяцев назад +1

    “The Terror” Season had great characters learning and respecting each other that didn’t feel forced. It was hard one and developed.

  • @resistancepublishing
    @resistancepublishing Год назад +7

    Brandon, I see a copy of Uzumaki on your book shelf. Awesome read

    • @WriterBrandonMcNulty
      @WriterBrandonMcNulty  Год назад +2

      Incredible book. Once I finish the rest of Junji Ito's stuff (Deserter and Venus in the Blind Spot are next in line), I'm going to reread Uzumaki.

    • @resistancepublishing
      @resistancepublishing Год назад +1

      @@WriterBrandonMcNulty awesome I need to check out his other books

    • @WriterBrandonMcNulty
      @WriterBrandonMcNulty  Год назад +3

      @@resistancepublishing Gyo was great. Also loved his adaptation of No Longer Human

    • @resistancepublishing
      @resistancepublishing Год назад +1

      @@WriterBrandonMcNulty ok I’ll check it out

  • @AircraftFTW
    @AircraftFTW Год назад +2

    I need a video on writing romantic characters more then non-romantic ones. That's the hard part for me.

  • @Runtsymunts
    @Runtsymunts Год назад +2

    Alucard and Trevor Belmont

  • @aprilboden7219
    @aprilboden7219 Год назад +4

    Last night I watched Planes Trains and Automobiles, I don't know if it's my favorite but John Candy & Steve Martin... need I say more?

    • @WriterBrandonMcNulty
      @WriterBrandonMcNulty  Год назад +1

      Haven’t seen it, but John Candy is usually a win

    • @aprilboden7219
      @aprilboden7219 Год назад +1

      @@WriterBrandonMcNulty Perfect this time a year, as it's a Thanksgiving movie.

    • @WriterBrandonMcNulty
      @WriterBrandonMcNulty  Год назад +1

      @@aprilboden7219 Will add it to my list. Thanks!

  • @BoScotty
    @BoScotty Год назад +2

    Another amazingly helpful video, Brandon! You actually have a knack for releasing these videos with a specific topic that me and a friend of mine happen to be talking about around the time LOL.
    My favorite platonic relationship has to be Gon and Killua's and HunterxHunter. Its the most realistic friendship I've seen between two teenage boys in fiction.
    I've recently purchased your Entry Wounds book, I can't wait to start reading it!

    • @WriterBrandonMcNulty
      @WriterBrandonMcNulty  Год назад +1

      Can't say I'm familiar with HunterxHunter, so I'll have to take your word for it.
      And THANK YOU for checking out Entry Wounds. Hope you enjoy it! Also, please consider leaving a brief Amazon review (only a sentence or two) when you finish. Reviews help a TON.

    • @BoScotty
      @BoScotty Год назад +1

      @@WriterBrandonMcNulty No problem! Will do!

    • @WriterBrandonMcNulty
      @WriterBrandonMcNulty  Год назад

      @@BoScotty Thanks!

  • @DROWYNAUT55
    @DROWYNAUT55 11 месяцев назад

    Sonny and Lorenzo relationship to Cologero in Bronx Tale is the most realistic ever put to screen

  • @kelvino.s.9992
    @kelvino.s.9992 Год назад +4

    Cheers from Brazil, your videos are great! 🙂

  • @bethlondonart
    @bethlondonart 6 месяцев назад

    Fitz and Night Eyes from the Assassin books by Robin Hobb, Royce and Hadrian from the Riyria Revelations by Michael Sullivan and Joron Twiner and Lucky Meas from the Tide Child trilogy by RJ Barker.

  • @anaderol5408
    @anaderol5408 10 месяцев назад

    Butch Cassidy & The Sundance Kid / Raymond & Charles Babbitt / Driss & Phillipe / Captain Murrell & Kapitän zur See von Stolberg / Paul Edgecomb & John Coffey / Virgil Tibbs & Bill Gillespie.....oh so many. Thanks for your videos - we are busily trying to create our first book 🤞🤞🤞

  • @Dark_Peace
    @Dark_Peace Год назад +3

    05:20 didn't know you could sacrifice your life multiple times. I take note

    • @WriterBrandonMcNulty
      @WriterBrandonMcNulty  Год назад +3

      Haha maybe “putting your life on the line” would be the better way of saying it

  • @moebettermann1154
    @moebettermann1154 Год назад

    Cullen and Joker from the classic movie
    The Defiant Ones.

  • @joshcrackedboooi2392
    @joshcrackedboooi2392 Год назад +4

    just don't have them flirt with each other and talk like buddies. when there is flirting have it be in a jokin manner or with some kind of context

    • @WriterBrandonMcNulty
      @WriterBrandonMcNulty  Год назад +1

      Yeah, you can still have occasional flirting/sexual tension, but the romance shouldn't go beyond that

    • @joshcrackedboooi2392
      @joshcrackedboooi2392 Год назад +1

      @@WriterBrandonMcNulty definitely, i would say a good example would be the relationship between power and Denji from chainsaw man. there is that occasional sexual tension, but it is more played as a comedic sketch, or a character moment and it doesn't go beyond that

  • @ctsuhako1
    @ctsuhako1 Год назад +1

    Rocky and Mickey from the Rocky movies.

  • @user-ue9cq3fh3v
    @user-ue9cq3fh3v 6 месяцев назад

    I think Power rangers 2017 movie is a good example of that

  • @ScatVanHoyden65000
    @ScatVanHoyden65000 Год назад +1

    Something I was wondering about is the relationship between a hero and a villain. Any tips as to how this might work, because I’ve got an instance where I have a friend to the hero, who is much less than a friend than he lets on and eventually ends up disconnected from the hero and is the story’s villain.

    • @johnjim6793
      @johnjim6793 11 месяцев назад +1

      That‘s indeed an interesting topic. Hero-villain-relationships were an popular sub-genre especially in the late 80s/early 90s. In a typical movie from that time you would have the hero and the villain in constant communication with one another while the hero is chasing the villain or is trying to prevent a disaster from happening that has been set up by the villain, often a psychopath. Films like Die Hard or Speed come to mind.

  • @yotamdelazerda8455
    @yotamdelazerda8455 11 месяцев назад

    That's an incredibly useful video in my opinion. Thank you for everything that you've taught me so far.
    Can you also touch on how an initially strong relationship (e.g., between two life long friends) slowly falls apart over time? I guess you can say it's the opposite of this video. I'm writing a story about two friends where jealousy enters one of their lives and how that connection slowly falls apart. Do you have any tips for that kind of story?

  • @northoftoofar3772
    @northoftoofar3772 Год назад

    Jack Burton and Wang Chi.

  • @velocitor3792
    @velocitor3792 Год назад +4

    There's a lot of stuff I love about Breaking Bad, but what I love most, is the complex relationship between Walter White and Jesse Pinkman.

  • @ifane8683
    @ifane8683 Год назад +2

    What is the age group of your books?

  • @tomlewis4748
    @tomlewis4748 Год назад +2

    I am not sure what non-romantic relationship might be a favorite, but I am pretty sure it will not be one where the characters start out distrusting each other or one where it is forced to wait for late in Act III to show the sacrifice.
    I agree with everything else. And yes, it is true that USUALLY the characters mistrust each other at first, and USUALLY a sacrifice comes late in Act III, but it's the USUALLY part of that which turns that into nothing more than a formulaic cliché. Writing a Buddy Salvation plot or subplot well does not need either the 'early mistrust' scene or a late proof of love scene, nor does a romantic plot or subplot actually need that. And I don't think they should have that, precisely because it smells of cliché.
    Having characters bond early on is UN-USUAL, and having the sacrifice (proof of love scene) come earlier than late in Act III is UN-USUAL, and that is exactly what makes those NOT clichés. Both concepts have been overdone to death, which is the exact, and only reason doing it differently is UN-USUAL in the first place. Not because it won't work, otherwise. Write the plot or subplot well, and it works just fine, regardless.
    There is nothing wrong with characters bonding early. Maybe have them be a bit wary of each other until they get to know each other a bit, and yes, them sometimes in conflict or sparring is probably necessary, but I tune out when that 'early mistrust' scene comes floating down Broadway as if a crutch to shore up the story. Especially if it's written well-enough to not need that. Looking for crutches is a sure sign of the wrong-headed process of a poor writer. Once they are spotted, the story always ends up being mediocre at best.
    There is also nothing really to be lost from having the altruistic nature of a sacrifice or proof of love scene happen anywhere at all OTHER than late in Act III. Use that tool, it's a good one. But that can work anywhere in the story, just as effectively, and even more effectively if you want to avoid that being a cliché, as it can be when expressed late in Act III. Story structure is of ultimate importance, but formulae and recipes should be felony offenses.
    These two things are not part of fulfilling reader expectations, and they are in no way obligatory moments (a proof of love scene is, but where it appears, isn't). Avoiding the 'early mistrust' scene and avoiding placing the 'proof of love' scene where the reader can set their watch by it can actually be better than succumbing to the siren call of sameness and cliché. No book ever really sold bc the author did their damndest to constantly mimic what everyone else might have done, simply bc 'that's how they did it'. That's the blind leading the blind.