For me in the entire lotr trilogy there was nothing more epic, including all fantastic creatures and ride of rohirims, than the moment when Sam said “Come on, Mr. Frodo. I can't carry it for you… but I can carry you!”
That’s true. Just because two characters are good friends doesn’t mean they’re a romantic couple no matter which gender. This is a problem I had with (most) shippers, as these people only choose two random characters to become a couple and outright forces their romantic relationship to canon and praising it if the writers do it for the sake of fan pandering. You can ship a character however you like, but forcing a ship in canon is where I draw the line.
Yeah, sometimes it makes the bond seem even stronger because the two characters are sticking together because of their shared beliefs/values/interests/etc.
Yeah, older scooby doo fans tend to theorize they Velma’s a lesbian, (Beacause she’s chubby and has short hair, I geuss??) And ship her with girls. Modern scooby doo shows actually pandered to this. And if you’ve ever read warrior cats, people cept shipping ravenpaw and barley, even though that’s really messed up, as barley is raven paws father figure, but the authors made it “canon? (Ish)” For the sake of “representation”.
Buzz and Woody (Toy Story Franchise) Aladdin and Genie and/or Magic Carpet Bad boys Franchise Dr. Strange and his cloak (his cloak saved him so many times)(Dr. Strange) Mike and Sully (Monster's, Inc.)
I’ve bought Bad Parts and I’m about a quarter done. I gotta say, I really like the narration and dialogue so far! It all feels authentic and handled with care! I look forward to finishing it!
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@@WriterBrandonMcNulty there are good reasons. it realistically depicts how some of the tropes of action cartoons in japan would actually go if it were real
this isnt my favorite non romantic relationship from a movie but its a great example from: "crash" - a racist white police officer risks his life to save the life of a black woman he had harrassed days earlier who was trapped in a burning car. when their eyes meet in that moment. thats cinema. thats story telling.
@@WriterBrandonMcNulty its from the short lived era when screen play writers reached the peak of their skill, when the budgets were big before technology replaced writing as the producers means of selling a script. its within the realm of american beauty and requieum for a dream. its easily one of the most impressive screen plays ever written. I would say no country for old men is in this category. mid/late 90s to mid/late 2000s.
@@WriterBrandonMcNulty haha very cool bran man. maybe you can incorporate it in a vid some time with all the momentous scenes where the characters cross paths. great flick i need to watch it again.
Another amazingly helpful video, Brandon! You actually have a knack for releasing these videos with a specific topic that me and a friend of mine happen to be talking about around the time LOL. My favorite platonic relationship has to be Gon and Killua's and HunterxHunter. Its the most realistic friendship I've seen between two teenage boys in fiction. I've recently purchased your Entry Wounds book, I can't wait to start reading it!
Can't say I'm familiar with HunterxHunter, so I'll have to take your word for it. And THANK YOU for checking out Entry Wounds. Hope you enjoy it! Also, please consider leaving a brief Amazon review (only a sentence or two) when you finish. Reviews help a TON.
Fitz and Night Eyes from the Assassin books by Robin Hobb, Royce and Hadrian from the Riyria Revelations by Michael Sullivan and Joron Twiner and Lucky Meas from the Tide Child trilogy by RJ Barker.
Butch Cassidy & The Sundance Kid / Raymond & Charles Babbitt / Driss & Phillipe / Captain Murrell & Kapitän zur See von Stolberg / Paul Edgecomb & John Coffey / Virgil Tibbs & Bill Gillespie.....oh so many. Thanks for your videos - we are busily trying to create our first book 🤞🤞🤞
@@WriterBrandonMcNulty definitely, i would say a good example would be the relationship between power and Denji from chainsaw man. there is that occasional sexual tension, but it is more played as a comedic sketch, or a character moment and it doesn't go beyond that
Something I was wondering about is the relationship between a hero and a villain. Any tips as to how this might work, because I’ve got an instance where I have a friend to the hero, who is much less than a friend than he lets on and eventually ends up disconnected from the hero and is the story’s villain.
That‘s indeed an interesting topic. Hero-villain-relationships were an popular sub-genre especially in the late 80s/early 90s. In a typical movie from that time you would have the hero and the villain in constant communication with one another while the hero is chasing the villain or is trying to prevent a disaster from happening that has been set up by the villain, often a psychopath. Films like Die Hard or Speed come to mind.
That's an incredibly useful video in my opinion. Thank you for everything that you've taught me so far. Can you also touch on how an initially strong relationship (e.g., between two life long friends) slowly falls apart over time? I guess you can say it's the opposite of this video. I'm writing a story about two friends where jealousy enters one of their lives and how that connection slowly falls apart. Do you have any tips for that kind of story?
I am not sure what non-romantic relationship might be a favorite, but I am pretty sure it will not be one where the characters start out distrusting each other or one where it is forced to wait for late in Act III to show the sacrifice. I agree with everything else. And yes, it is true that USUALLY the characters mistrust each other at first, and USUALLY a sacrifice comes late in Act III, but it's the USUALLY part of that which turns that into nothing more than a formulaic cliché. Writing a Buddy Salvation plot or subplot well does not need either the 'early mistrust' scene or a late proof of love scene, nor does a romantic plot or subplot actually need that. And I don't think they should have that, precisely because it smells of cliché. Having characters bond early on is UN-USUAL, and having the sacrifice (proof of love scene) come earlier than late in Act III is UN-USUAL, and that is exactly what makes those NOT clichés. Both concepts have been overdone to death, which is the exact, and only reason doing it differently is UN-USUAL in the first place. Not because it won't work, otherwise. Write the plot or subplot well, and it works just fine, regardless. There is nothing wrong with characters bonding early. Maybe have them be a bit wary of each other until they get to know each other a bit, and yes, them sometimes in conflict or sparring is probably necessary, but I tune out when that 'early mistrust' scene comes floating down Broadway as if a crutch to shore up the story. Especially if it's written well-enough to not need that. Looking for crutches is a sure sign of the wrong-headed process of a poor writer. Once they are spotted, the story always ends up being mediocre at best. There is also nothing really to be lost from having the altruistic nature of a sacrifice or proof of love scene happen anywhere at all OTHER than late in Act III. Use that tool, it's a good one. But that can work anywhere in the story, just as effectively, and even more effectively if you want to avoid that being a cliché, as it can be when expressed late in Act III. Story structure is of ultimate importance, but formulae and recipes should be felony offenses. These two things are not part of fulfilling reader expectations, and they are in no way obligatory moments (a proof of love scene is, but where it appears, isn't). Avoiding the 'early mistrust' scene and avoiding placing the 'proof of love' scene where the reader can set their watch by it can actually be better than succumbing to the siren call of sameness and cliché. No book ever really sold bc the author did their damndest to constantly mimic what everyone else might have done, simply bc 'that's how they did it'. That's the blind leading the blind.
For me in the entire lotr trilogy there was nothing more epic, including all fantastic creatures and ride of rohirims, than the moment when Sam said “Come on, Mr. Frodo. I can't carry it for you… but I can carry you!”
It’s an incredible moment
That’s true. Just because two characters are good friends doesn’t mean they’re a romantic couple no matter which gender. This is a problem I had with (most) shippers, as these people only choose two random characters to become a couple and outright forces their romantic relationship to canon and praising it if the writers do it for the sake of fan pandering. You can ship a character however you like, but forcing a ship in canon is where I draw the line.
Yeah, sometimes it makes the bond seem even stronger because the two characters are sticking together because of their shared beliefs/values/interests/etc.
Yeah, older scooby doo fans tend to theorize they Velma’s a lesbian, (Beacause she’s chubby and has short hair, I geuss??)
And ship her with girls.
Modern scooby doo shows actually pandered to this.
And if you’ve ever read warrior cats, people cept shipping ravenpaw and barley, even though that’s really messed up, as barley is raven paws father figure, but the authors made it “canon? (Ish)”
For the sake of “representation”.
Non romantic relationships are my favourite in fiction. Especially between siblings!
Buzz and Woody (Toy Story Franchise)
Aladdin and Genie and/or Magic Carpet
Bad boys Franchise
Dr. Strange and his cloak (his cloak saved him so many times)(Dr. Strange)
Mike and Sully (Monster's, Inc.)
All good ones. Dr. Strange and his cloak is a sneaky one too
Buzz and Woodie was awesome. The only time where I was genuinely pissed the the hero chose love over friendship😞… Woody’s friends are irreplaceable
I’ve bought Bad Parts and I’m about a quarter done. I gotta say, I really like the narration and dialogue so far! It all feels authentic and handled with care! I look forward to finishing it!
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@@WriterBrandonMcNulty Definitely will 🙌🏻
@@eggscellent1257 Thanks!
You just can’t beat Frodo and Sam! It’s not possible!
What's your favorite non-romantic relationship from a movie? Let us know!
Jim Hawkins and John Silver from Treasure Planet. I've always loved that bond they had.
fin and jake from adventure time, gon and killowa from hunter x hunter. i can go on and on lol
@@theleavesblow8 Haven’t seen Treasure Planet. Will add it to my list
@@joshcrackedboooi2392 Hearing a lot about HunterxHunter in the comments sections these days
@@WriterBrandonMcNulty there are good reasons. it realistically depicts how some of the tropes of action cartoons in japan would actually go if it were real
You might wanna make a video about predatory publishing sites where they take full control on someone's works . to warn them
Your videos are always a joy, Brandon. Always
Thanks! The same goes for your comments!
this isnt my favorite non romantic relationship from a movie but its a great example from: "crash" - a racist white police officer risks his life to save the life of a black woman he had harrassed days earlier who was trapped in a burning car. when their eyes meet in that moment. thats cinema. thats story telling.
Haven't seen Crash. I'll add it to my list
@@WriterBrandonMcNulty its from the short lived era when screen play writers reached the peak of their skill, when the budgets were big before technology replaced writing as the producers means of selling a script. its within the realm of american beauty and requieum for a dream. its easily one of the most impressive screen plays ever written. I would say no country for old men is in this category. mid/late 90s to mid/late 2000s.
@@iosyntropy Coincidentally, Crash got mentioned in a writing guide I’m reading, so now I have no choice but to watch it
@@WriterBrandonMcNulty haha very cool bran man. maybe you can incorporate it in a vid some time with all the momentous scenes where the characters cross paths. great flick i need to watch it again.
Vince vaughn and Owen Wilson in anything... they break some of these rules.. but their wit and charm save the day.
Haha definitely a good pair for several different scenarios
Thelma in Louise is my favorite all time movie. Nailed it!
“The Terror” Season had great characters learning and respecting each other that didn’t feel forced. It was hard one and developed.
Brandon, I see a copy of Uzumaki on your book shelf. Awesome read
Incredible book. Once I finish the rest of Junji Ito's stuff (Deserter and Venus in the Blind Spot are next in line), I'm going to reread Uzumaki.
@@WriterBrandonMcNulty awesome I need to check out his other books
@@resistancepublishing Gyo was great. Also loved his adaptation of No Longer Human
@@WriterBrandonMcNulty ok I’ll check it out
I need a video on writing romantic characters more then non-romantic ones. That's the hard part for me.
Alucard and Trevor Belmont
Last night I watched Planes Trains and Automobiles, I don't know if it's my favorite but John Candy & Steve Martin... need I say more?
Haven’t seen it, but John Candy is usually a win
@@WriterBrandonMcNulty Perfect this time a year, as it's a Thanksgiving movie.
@@aprilboden7219 Will add it to my list. Thanks!
Another amazingly helpful video, Brandon! You actually have a knack for releasing these videos with a specific topic that me and a friend of mine happen to be talking about around the time LOL.
My favorite platonic relationship has to be Gon and Killua's and HunterxHunter. Its the most realistic friendship I've seen between two teenage boys in fiction.
I've recently purchased your Entry Wounds book, I can't wait to start reading it!
Can't say I'm familiar with HunterxHunter, so I'll have to take your word for it.
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@@WriterBrandonMcNulty No problem! Will do!
@@BoScotty Thanks!
Sonny and Lorenzo relationship to Cologero in Bronx Tale is the most realistic ever put to screen
Cheers from Brazil, your videos are great! 🙂
Thank you! And is that Chie from Persona 4 as your profile pic?
Fitz and Night Eyes from the Assassin books by Robin Hobb, Royce and Hadrian from the Riyria Revelations by Michael Sullivan and Joron Twiner and Lucky Meas from the Tide Child trilogy by RJ Barker.
Butch Cassidy & The Sundance Kid / Raymond & Charles Babbitt / Driss & Phillipe / Captain Murrell & Kapitän zur See von Stolberg / Paul Edgecomb & John Coffey / Virgil Tibbs & Bill Gillespie.....oh so many. Thanks for your videos - we are busily trying to create our first book 🤞🤞🤞
05:20 didn't know you could sacrifice your life multiple times. I take note
Haha maybe “putting your life on the line” would be the better way of saying it
Cullen and Joker from the classic movie
The Defiant Ones.
just don't have them flirt with each other and talk like buddies. when there is flirting have it be in a jokin manner or with some kind of context
Yeah, you can still have occasional flirting/sexual tension, but the romance shouldn't go beyond that
@@WriterBrandonMcNulty definitely, i would say a good example would be the relationship between power and Denji from chainsaw man. there is that occasional sexual tension, but it is more played as a comedic sketch, or a character moment and it doesn't go beyond that
Rocky and Mickey from the Rocky movies.
Ah one of my favorite pairs!
I think Power rangers 2017 movie is a good example of that
Something I was wondering about is the relationship between a hero and a villain. Any tips as to how this might work, because I’ve got an instance where I have a friend to the hero, who is much less than a friend than he lets on and eventually ends up disconnected from the hero and is the story’s villain.
That‘s indeed an interesting topic. Hero-villain-relationships were an popular sub-genre especially in the late 80s/early 90s. In a typical movie from that time you would have the hero and the villain in constant communication with one another while the hero is chasing the villain or is trying to prevent a disaster from happening that has been set up by the villain, often a psychopath. Films like Die Hard or Speed come to mind.
That's an incredibly useful video in my opinion. Thank you for everything that you've taught me so far.
Can you also touch on how an initially strong relationship (e.g., between two life long friends) slowly falls apart over time? I guess you can say it's the opposite of this video. I'm writing a story about two friends where jealousy enters one of their lives and how that connection slowly falls apart. Do you have any tips for that kind of story?
Jack Burton and Wang Chi.
There's a lot of stuff I love about Breaking Bad, but what I love most, is the complex relationship between Walter White and Jesse Pinkman.
What is the age group of your books?
Adult fiction
I am not sure what non-romantic relationship might be a favorite, but I am pretty sure it will not be one where the characters start out distrusting each other or one where it is forced to wait for late in Act III to show the sacrifice.
I agree with everything else. And yes, it is true that USUALLY the characters mistrust each other at first, and USUALLY a sacrifice comes late in Act III, but it's the USUALLY part of that which turns that into nothing more than a formulaic cliché. Writing a Buddy Salvation plot or subplot well does not need either the 'early mistrust' scene or a late proof of love scene, nor does a romantic plot or subplot actually need that. And I don't think they should have that, precisely because it smells of cliché.
Having characters bond early on is UN-USUAL, and having the sacrifice (proof of love scene) come earlier than late in Act III is UN-USUAL, and that is exactly what makes those NOT clichés. Both concepts have been overdone to death, which is the exact, and only reason doing it differently is UN-USUAL in the first place. Not because it won't work, otherwise. Write the plot or subplot well, and it works just fine, regardless.
There is nothing wrong with characters bonding early. Maybe have them be a bit wary of each other until they get to know each other a bit, and yes, them sometimes in conflict or sparring is probably necessary, but I tune out when that 'early mistrust' scene comes floating down Broadway as if a crutch to shore up the story. Especially if it's written well-enough to not need that. Looking for crutches is a sure sign of the wrong-headed process of a poor writer. Once they are spotted, the story always ends up being mediocre at best.
There is also nothing really to be lost from having the altruistic nature of a sacrifice or proof of love scene happen anywhere at all OTHER than late in Act III. Use that tool, it's a good one. But that can work anywhere in the story, just as effectively, and even more effectively if you want to avoid that being a cliché, as it can be when expressed late in Act III. Story structure is of ultimate importance, but formulae and recipes should be felony offenses.
These two things are not part of fulfilling reader expectations, and they are in no way obligatory moments (a proof of love scene is, but where it appears, isn't). Avoiding the 'early mistrust' scene and avoiding placing the 'proof of love' scene where the reader can set their watch by it can actually be better than succumbing to the siren call of sameness and cliché. No book ever really sold bc the author did their damndest to constantly mimic what everyone else might have done, simply bc 'that's how they did it'. That's the blind leading the blind.