Simon Jordan CRITICISES Aston Villa For FAILING To Win The Europa Conference League 🫣 | talkSPORT
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Maybe a little credit to Olympiacos is due. Villa have been decent this year so to turn them over is no small feat.
Well done to the Greeks.
How about no? Villa players are paid way more and are way better technically and tactically. Massive failure but hey its not united or Chelsea so who cares. Big club things I guess
For sure. S.J saying Olympiakos are not steeped in European history. How many times have they played in Europe in the last 10 years compared to Villa?
In the last 30 years, Olympiakos has featured 20 times in the Champions League group stage and 9 times in the Europa League group stage…
Nah, it's embarrassing to the premier League and England, Liverpool, Villa, even man city let the prem down.
@@camparkin what a silly comment lol, imagine olympicos in the premier, they would be relegated let alone top four.
Olympiacos has not beaten once or twice Arsenal at the Emirates but three times in the last nine years! Liverpool and Manchester United have been beaten at Karaiskakis stadium for the champions league, also West Ham and Burnley for the Europa League. Liverpool's game against Olympiacos in 2005 is probably the most memorable for the club in this century (probably together with the 4-0 against Barcelona). Olympiacos would go through to the quarter-finals even by losing with one goal differnece, we took the lead with Rivaldo at half time before Liverpool put an epic come back in the second half to win 3-1 and lift the trophy in Instabul with that 3-3 against Milan. Please put some respect.
As a Villa fan well done olympiacos great side great fans, Simon we had no divine right to win, we have half a fit squad all season and sit on 67pts with two games left in Unai’s first season, you’re a dam fool for criticising him. He has performed miracles at Villa in 18months taking us from 17th and heading for the drop to semi final Europe and possibly champions league qualification. UTV
Didn't Olympiacos knock Arsenal out of the Europa League at the Emirates a number of years ago? They:ve had a lot of European experience
Exactly I’m an arsenal fan and they are normally always in the champions league they are a very experienced team and normally champions in their country Simon is not giving them credit
Simon is catering for the kids who started watching football recently . You cannot compare olympiacos pedigree in European football with villa
Olympiacos were superb. every player was better than what villa had in both games. especially their striker with 30+ goals
maybe forest can swap him for sangare
Olympiakos played really well so let’s not disrespect the fact they beat us fair and square
Olympiacos are regularly in the Champions & Europa League, whereas it was Vila's first European campaign for 13 years. Getting to the semi final is no disgrace in any competition. Well said Martin. Our high line game cost us, but we wouldn't have been there last night if it wasn't for Emery's system.
i know right, literally one of the most experienced european clubs there is
Put olympicos in the prem and they'll get relegated lol
fans have zero perspective
You bottled it.
@@JordiBoy_ Olympiakos has beaten Arsenal and Man United in recent seasons in Europe. They have experienced in the past 18 years Aston Villa can only dream of
So much disrespect in Olympiacos i cant understand the arrogance of the English media, google Olympiacos first for Christ sake in the last 20 years we ve played in big games won against arsenal in London twice and many more! Big shirt the Olympiacos one guys, chill
you lot dont play in a unforgiving premier league EVERY week.
You smash plates.
@@thefivepoints they smash English teams regularly at this point
@@happyapple4269 LOL! The quality of the Premier League is really poor outside of Manchester City and Arsenal. Anyone who can see beyond the cliches peddled by the media knows this. There's a reason no EPL team could go no further than the quarter final stage of the Champions League this season, and why the competition is so rarely won by an English team.
@@lonelyboy19773 different premier league teams have won it since 2019...
No Simon. They come to Villa Park and bagged 4 goals. They weren't just going to collapse at home and lose 3-0.
Except the fact that Olympiacos is compiting in Europe the last 30 years (Group Stages, R16, Quarterfinals in UCL/UEL), they also have one of the greatest youth academies in Europe at this point. Olympiacos U19 won the Youth Champions League this year against AC Milan. They are just not a side to be disrespected by some random brits :)
Why is Jordan so upset? Last season when West Ham won it he called it the ‘European Papa Johns’ trophy!
Talk ballox clearly have it in for west ham
Maybe that's why he thought Villa should have done better
He hates west ham
One minute it’s Micky mouse when out it’s the holy grail
He hates sullivan
Olympiakos has a lot of experience he plays every year in Europe and he had big wins over top clubs, and it is not fair saying Aston villa had to go through because in the two legs olympiakos battered them. Try to remember which big British clubs lost at olympiakos home
Why do these lot always make it so complicated Aston Villa for beaten in a football match by the better team on the night
Olympiacos is a biggger team in europe over the past decade than Villa. Context my English friends and stop this blind arrogance. Atalanta just smashed Liverpool at Anfield. English teams aprt from City due to Pep are not as good as they think they are.. the busniess model and advertisement of the league is amazing and the money..
liverpool literally played one of if not the worst game under klopp against atalanta and there hasn't been that many, but use one game to justify a league being "overhyped" if you want, olympiacos would be in the championship if they where an english team
No way, in Greece you earned 6 million from TV contracts , at the prem gou got 170 millio . Furthermore olympiakos is top 10 premier league team if participate s @@lennon1482
this year's games between Premier league teams and Greek teams... Brighton vs AEK, Olympiakos vs West Ham and Olympiakos vs Villa. total wins : Greeks 4, British 2...
Total goals: Greeks 11 British 7.
How about that?
As a Villa fan I’m gutted but olympiacos were better both legs. The better team won. The manager won’t use excuses but our depleted squad hasn’t helped. As for Simon Jordan, I’d be embarrassed if I were him
the commentators sound naive. Olympiacos' european experience isnt at question, as they have challenged some of the best teams in Europe including English teams such as Liverpool, Arsenal, Tottenham etc. the last 2 decades. OLy usually participates in UCL and europa league tournament and as a matter of fact the first year that played in conference league tournament passed through the finals.
even my team PAOK 2 times in three years go to quarterfinasl conference league but lost to marseille and club brugge
What is Jordan smokin?!? Olympiakos have for at least last 20-25 years hell more experience in Europe. Again absolute arrogance from him, like this greek side are some pub team.
Are u guys mad?? Really do you compare Europe experience/results of Olympiakos vs Villa??? Do you recall how many matches olympiakos won against English teams both home and away?? Simply acknowledge the fact tha you were eliminated by a better TEAM, learn from that and move on.
What is Simon talking about, Olym😂piacos qualify for European football every season.
So much ignorance against Olympiacos from English media.
Check how many champions league seasons they played and what kind of players played for them.
Muppets
People seem to forget that Olympiacos used play champions league football almost every year....
While Aston villa was fighting relegation or been relegated 😂😂😂
So to expect little "mainly bottom of the table" villa to go beat a team who already thumped them at villa park is crazy...
Just yesterday villa was battling relegation and today people expected them to go to Greece and beat that team 😂😂😂
Simon finally speaks facts about the prem, and Martin can't take it
Nope, we have to play massive games every 3 days and it is NOT possilble ! We will always struggle not for quality but very little rest between games.
@@TooDarnSoulful no you should be beating Olympiakos stop making excuses.
@@thefivepoints NOPE sorry they do NOT have the squad to play crucial games every 3 games, Villa will learn like Pep did. I am not a Villa fan by the way ! I use we meaning English teams.
Martin is a woke clown
If you don’t recognize that the PL is the best league in the world then it’s likely because you are africant.
Olympiacos is the most successful team in Greece regularly competes in the champions league and villa is a mid table premier league team.
Villa are a far bigger club than these Greek bums. They’ve won a European cup
Stop smashing plates.
4th isn’t mid table
Some people can’t count
olympiakos is scrapyard football style of a scrapyard football second division league.go home and drink ouzo
I'll say this as an American Villa fan we deserved nothing in the tie but I can't understand where they are getting olympiacos has no experience they have so much more than Villa dose. And another absolute excuse, but it is a fact os that we were hurt in almost every position
Olympiakos, no european experience, 355 games since the 90s :/
For all the derision to West Ham saying we won tin pot trophy but we did something Villa and Spurs didn’t do had the bottle to win it.
All credit to West Ham for winning it, but they weren't fighting for a CL league position in the league.
Or playing without 6/7 first team players
Olympiakos are a decent side, criticizing villa is just dumb
Simon Jordan fails to understand how big these clubs are in their respective countries, his Crystal Palace would have gotten absolutely battered against Olympiacos as well
Palace are midtable. Villa have spent millions and are top 4. You can't compare the two
How did Olympiacos get on in the Europa League this year? They were in the same group as West Ham. The fact they are in the Euro conference should answer that for you.
The same West ham that won the competition last year?
The change of manager mid season has made a huge difference to Olympiakos
To your question at 2:00 about Olympiakos we might not have a european trophy but we are the 13th team in all of Europe in european games in the past 25 years so we are definetely hugely more experienced than villa even though a much lower caliber team. experience won here.
British commentators, big up the Old Firm for their huge support and passion. And would be coming out with praise, had they knocked out Villa last night. Yet, Olympiacos, who have a similar infrastructure to the Old Firm, are completely dismissed. To say these pundits are ignorant beyond belief, is the understatement of the year.
Talksport's take on this result was embarrassing and completely disrespectful to Olympiakos.
Why would Villa with a threadbare squad, a 2 goal deficit and a poor away record in Europe this season have the devine right to go to one of the toughest grounds in Europe and roll over an Olympiakos led by last season's Europa League winning coach?
I've really got respect for Villa fans who have all been really gracious in defeat. Its exactly the same narrative they have to go through when they beat the likes of Arsenal, Liverpool or City. It's never about what they did right...the narrative is how much the bigger club bottled it.
How about Olympiakos won because they were the better team over the two legs? A team with vast amounts of experience of playing in Europe every single season, historically always in the Champions League and with knockout European football virtually every season.
Threadbare squad? Give us a brake
@yelladean2598 give us a break... Did you see the bench?
How much money have villa spent over the last 5-6 years? Embarrassing excuse
@TCPH what does it matter how much we have spent if they aren't fit and can't play?
@@adavfc bailey/diaby alone likely cost the entire squad cost of Olympiacos 😭. Its not like you had to field the youth team. You flopped, simple as. Embarrassing that you expect any sympathy. villa been chucking money for years
just not as massive as West Ham
😂 Don't be silly
Behave 😂
You play inour colours son
I wouldent say Olympiacos was superb but they were utterly clinical with practically every attempt they had against Villa.
Jim White desperately fishing for reactions and headlines. Pretty sad
That's literally his job, fella.
The question is when was the last time Aston Villa was in Europe
These pundits have a deluded view on the premier league
Protecting their gravy train
As someone who watched other leagues, I’ve always found the premier league overrated. However, this is quite the disappointing season for the league regardless. As a watcher of the top 4 leagues, I am glad to see such diversity in the European competitions with each country playing their football.
Any team in top 8 should be waking this competition, seeing as PL is "best league in the world"
Shows just how bad the so called PL is - Aston Villa are a clear 4th and are a bang average !!
If they concentrate on it, then fair enough...West Ham won it, but ended up finishing way down the league because of it. Villa have obviously prioritised the league, where they're 4th. Easy to make a dumb comment and get likes off the usual lot here though
Another person who doesn’t understand the incredibly simple notion that when people say the premier league is the best league in the world, they don’t mean that all the teams in it are better than other leagues. Just the entertainment value and competitive nature of it is far ahead of ligue 1 for example
West Ham didn’t even break a sweat to the final last season
Yea but in reality, it isn't
Don’t often agree with keown but he gets it spot on - was there last night - any side would struggle to win there- it was mental - lost it in the first leg .. atmosphere was huge at VP and the players unfortunately crumbled .. literally all to do with lack of experience! What emery has done with this team and the injuries is remarkable. Also olympiakos are a very good side with some really good players and I hope they go and win it
Emery is a class manager and perhaps it was just too much of inexperience that caught with Villa at this stage of Europe which they haven’t been it for quite sometime. But I’m sure experience they gained from this semifinals, will only do world of good for those players going forward.
How can you not know how well Olympiacos have done over many years.?
Failed to do what west ham did.
And west ham wanted moyes gone, I bet it will come back to haunt them
😂😂😂😂😂😂 whu hanging onto their mickey mouse trophy accolade.
And Olympiacos beat West Ham at home this year. We broke their undefeated streak.
@@AlexLog314 West Ham rested players and were always going to top the group. Took care of business at London Stadium.
Jealous guy
West Ham are Massive!
Didn't they knock Arsenal out in the Europa league?
affirmative
They did😊
Haaaaasss anyone seen Gabby the Goof 😂
just because emery doesn’t complain about our injuries like many managers, it doesn’t meant they aren’t there: mings, buendia, ramsey, moreno, tielemans, zaniolo, rogers
you’re telling me that with even some of those players being fit, we wouldn’t have been able to put up more of a fight? give over
couple that with the fact that the french and greek FAs moved their weekend games to help their teams be as fresh as possible for each leg. olympiacos played 3 games in 3 weeks (including the two legs), villa played 5 in that time
For anyone to say that Olympiakos are the same in Europe as Villa is a joke to say the least
Olympiakos have been playing in Europe the past 30 years without fail (most of them in the Champions league) Villa have done well this year and the Premier league is by far the best in the world.
Besides that Olymiakos was the better team over the 2 legs won the tie 6-2 and there is nothing to argue about that.....
Further more what wins games is goals and not possession ......
The Greek site played with a very specific game plane and allowed Villa to have the ball but as we saw in the second leg more than the first the could do nothing with that
I will say this once again for all the nonsense some pundits have dared to say ( that simply shows they ignorance and arrogance ) OLYMPIAKOS is a giant in Europe compared to Villa the past 25-30 years
Let’s not forget Villa we’re the LAST English hope -I didn’t hear you attacking the other failed English teams who failed earlier than villa; and in fact put more pressure on villa as we embarrassingly we will only have 4 teams in the CL next season where some leagues will be having 6 !!!
No-one seems to talk about the fact that Olympiacos didn't have a game in their domestic league between the two legs played against Villa. Also you have to credit Emery for never complaining about the injuries that have decimated the Villa squad. Look at the bench for that game in Athens. I'm a Villa fan and there were a couple of kids in there that I'd never heard of.
This is a team literally running on fumes but you'll never hear it used as an excuse. At the end of the day Olympiacos were the better team over the two legs. Congratulations to them. As for Villa, it's a great learning experience. Onwards and upwards!!
These people know absolutely nothing about football outside of England. I'd ask my postman for complex medical advice before I asked these three for analysis on Greek football.
forest fans know about tihe club, and we never want oly players and plenty of our cast offs go the other way so it suggests they are very different leagues
You waste plates and cause mess.
@@thefivepoints lol = hahahahahaha
@@PazLeBon My point isn't about the quality of the Greek league, it's that these people talk with authority about things they know nothing about. It's not just Greece, they make comparisons to foreign clubs and leagues despite having no knowledge.
@@thefivepoints I'm not Greek but true.
I like Jordan but he’s talking absolute rubbish, there’s no guarantees in football no matter how good you are on paper. We’ve overachieved this season, if we qualify for the champions league I fear we’ll become the whipping boys as the squad isn’t deep or good enough. Jordan talking out of his browneye on this one.
It's crazy how much you've mirrored Newcastle last season. Be prepaid for crazy takes next season.
LOL!
@@bareknuckles2u Anything else to add?
No great shakes? Olympicacos play in Europe year in, year out. This is Villa's first European competition in 12 years along with a top 4 run.
Not gonna mention El Kaabi who scored 5 goals against Aston Villa???
i get where Simon is coming from. but this is the first time they've been in Europe for a while. and to get to the semis is a big feat. Olympiakos beat Arsenal a few years ago in the Europa League, so they're no mugs.
Against English teams we nearly eliminated Liverpool (the reigning European champions) in the champions league 2004 season, Manchester United in the champions league 2016 season at the round of 16, eliminated Arsenal in Europa League in 2020 season, and huge wins against top clubs, so i think you guys should respect other teams, ok yeah you have a lot of money to spend on transfers and all but you must learn to be humble first and foremost. Then again Villa fans are really respectful so this goes only to the radio talk show or whatever that is, and good luck to Villa on their way to the Champions League next season.
Emery couldn't do it at Arsenal in the final. He couldn't with Aston Villa. It's the British media
Well done Olympiakos. From a Birmingham fan.
SOTV
Simon doesn't know Olympiacos is a European competitions regular, always a Greek league contender and is ranked 35 on the UEFA while Vila is 103, as usual Simon doesn't have a clue of what he's talking about.
winning in Europe isnt for everyone ;). COYI
Ever won the actual European Cup? Didn't think so.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 whu fans still hanging on their 3rd tier mickey mouse european trophy. Embarrassing fanbase.
@@thefivepointsvilla can’t even win it
First season playing in europe for years. Amazing job by the players and the manager. Theyve just been spread to thin. The players are knackered. Nobody predicted villa finishing in the champions league places.
ManCity showed Real Madrid their place, Arsenal wiped the floor with Bayern, Liverpool dominated the Europa League and Aston Villa swiped through the conference league ! All that’s missing is winning the European championship 😅 Man it’s Brexit all over again
Simon has a beef with Vangelis Marinakis (owner of NFFC, Rio Ave and Olympiacos) and he can't stand it that his team won.
Villa are down to the bare bones through huge amounts of injuries and we have played over 50 games this season with mostly the same players now .
Mings , beundia , Ramsey , Roger’s , kamara , Moreno , telimans .Martinez for a small stint too . And all the ones in between , we done well to get to the semis and fully deserve 4th
Well, Fortounis alone has played 74 matches in major European Competitions. Aston Villa has played 104 matches in their whole European Competitions history including Intertoto.
They’ve played half the games Villa have, also got a week off either side of the games to prepare - Villa have about 10 injuries to key players. what do they expect? How do pundits miss these points and expect to be taken seriously. Ridiculous
Olympiacos play in Europe nearly every season.
As a Villa fan if you look back at all the matches in europe we stumbled through every game chopping and changing at the back
Well, actually olympiacos is much more experienced in europe. You cant be that ignorant
The Villa squad is most likely the smallest squad in the PL that's before injuries start to happen.
I understand Emery likes a small squad but I hope he has learnt from this because I saw this being a issue from the start.
However Villa have done very well and I believe they will be around the top 4 for a while as long as they can add at least 4 quality players a season.
Maybe the PL is not as good as some people make out. Maybe it is.
But one season of an English side not being in any uefa final is probably not the best metric to guage it all on. Its bound to happen from time to time and all round is probably good for European not to have one nation dominating year in, year out.
Congratulations to Olympicos, would like to see them go on and be the first Greek side to lift European silverware.
Weird how nobody takes into consideration how exausted villa players are ... the spurs players were saying to each other at half time how shattered villa players are ... the brighton manager said sunday how thats not the real villa they are tired .. villa played nearly 20 more games this season thats a lot for an injury ravaged squad .. 3 acl at the start of the season to 3 starters in Mings Buendia then kamara plus ramsey and morgan plus more .. i thought our season was over at the start its an incredible achievement to get to a semi and fighting for 4th
Welcome to the big leagues rookie
thats it
Stop making excuses you bottled it.
You must be 6-2 the stomach mate.
@@wayne5240 lol 😂 genuis
what they on about olympiakos are in champs league most years, do these guys even watch football
clearly not its like yea ok they dont make semi or finals oftern but they at least have play of rounds or whatever they call them, them group stage and maybe some r16 thats...all experice
Keown is shocking 😂
8 players injured against a seasoned side in continental competition. Also literally EVERYTHING went their way over the two legs. Even if they'd tried to score an own goal it would have somehow deflected up the other end into the Villa net.
6-2 on aggregate 🫣
It all comes down to villa having major enjurys and the players that have been filling in.. are absolutely knackered as thay been playing none stop all season. If villa had most there players. Thay go on and win it.
Olympiakos finished third in their Europa League group and were given a second chance to compete, as was co-finalist Fiorentina. Villa were completing against a Europa League team. They are in those competitions year after year, Villa were in their first in 13 years. In the group stages Villa had many shaky moments, due to it being their first time in the competition. They fought through and made it to the semis. That's credit to them. Experience? Pep failed in quarterfinals, Arteta failed in quarterfinals, Klopp failed in quarterfinals, Moyes failed in quarterfinals. All that experience and they still lost. As the saying goes, "Past performance is no guarantee of future results." We reset. We go again in Europe next season. Up the Villa.
These guys obviously haven’t watched Villa in recent weeks, Clement Lenglet was our only player on the bench in Greece who was over 21 the rest were kids. We’ve got 8 first team players all out injured, we’re down to our bare bones and have no energy left.
As a Villa fan, we were absolutely knackered, and have been for weeks. The season is catching up with us and I don't believe we will get another point this season. Small squad hit with injuries. We have done brilliantly this year and were outplayed by Olympiacos. They pressed and then shut up shop. Their striker made the difference as did not having a league game in between the two legs.
Were you knackered when you went away to Arsenal & won 2-0?
Martin Keown talks sense unlike the other two clowns. Villa were lucky to get past Lille in the quarters. Just because a more experienced West Ham won the ECL last year, doesn’t mean Villa are a failure for not winning it. The lack of respect for European teams is laughable. Are not Olympiakos in Europe most seasons too?
Guys... I just wanted to give some stats you so that you understand what Unai Emery means about experience in Europe. So Olympiacos has 24 participations in Champions League, played 158 games, has 59 wins 69 defeat and 30 draws with g a 197-240 . In the Europa League has 11 participations, 24 wins, 26 defeats and 16 draws with g a 90-81. I m just giving modern Era stats, ok? Also Olympiacos is one of the the founder members of the European Club Association along with Juventus, Chelsea, Man United, Real Madrid, Barcelona, Bayern etc. Aston Villa wasn't eliminated by some nobody,, ok? Just chill and listen to Emery. He s a great coach and for me experience in Europe comes with consistency and years. Take care guys
Ive watched Newcastle play Villa twice this season. Both games Villa had chances but got blew away by pace on the counter attack. They play a high line and any team with pace troubles Villa.
Villa players are exhausted and squad is down to the bare bones.
Big factor was Olympiacos having a break between the ties.
Incredibly disrespectful towards both Olympiacos and to Villa. What on earth is Simon talking about Olympiacos have a lot of experience in Europe, and have a deep successful history as a club. As for Villa yes we fell but it was against very good side and no excuses but to be competitive we would have needed our full squad.
As an ympiacos fan I will say that as a fan of football the mistake that Aston Villa did is that underestimate Olympiacos, which will be in a certain degree total acceptable but when everyone underestimate their opponent is a crave mistake. We can't take all the Villa achieved and had in their season. About tiredness my team still play even some weeks before the first matches to enet Europa league or Champions league or conference. Aston Villa next year would be in Champions League.
Villa have been decimated by long term injuries to several key players. Losing Kamara in particular has really hurt them. Their bench yesterday was a bunch of kids. They've had a great season and can still qualify for the Champions League, which will help them attract more elite players this summer. Their owners voted against the salary cap proposal which is a serious indication of what their intentions are and what their spending power is.
can we just say it how it was... Villa have had bad injury issues and has in return caused us not to be able to rotate our team, therefore tiredness was a huge issue and has been in the issue over the last 6 to 8 games... also Olympiacos took advantage of this and played some great football/tactics so deserved to win. end of.
god keown were did you get that jacket from🤣🤣
Also villa played in the conference then a game at the weekend and then another game in the week in 2nd leg , olyimpiacos got the weekend off and had a whole week to recover
Unai Emery has got to be a very serious contender for manager of the season.. He just has to .
Have to say I agree with Martin on this debate. I think a lot of the Prem teams have run out of gas as the season nears toward end
Brilliant season for Villa overall.
AVFC were playing their 58th game of the year, with 3 ACLs… Olympiacos had nothing to lose…
Hang about, Olympiacos have until recently qualified for champions league almost every year and have given united a run for their money. Give respect where it’s due
No plan no desire and no passion is what we were lacking plus a poor defence which was our undoing, no player came off that pitch saying they gave there all.
El kaabi should get a shot in the prem, maybe it works maybe it doesn’t, he is pretty affordable and a mid table team might greatly benefit from him
To be fair, finishing 4th and bowing out in the conference league semis isnt on the level of managing 1 season out of 10 in the Premier League, but im sure Villa can try and go again to equal Mr Jordans achievements next season.
Villa have been running on fumes the past few months. Absolutely devastated with long term injuries to key players, vital to the system.
Credit where it's due.
The only disappointment I had with the second leg (the first was a write off bearing in mind the good performance from Olympiakos' midfield and striker, and the atrocious performance of the ref, and a miserable day for Luiz), was the fact that second half we didn't look anywhere close to scoring. First half, I thought we were in with a good chance even at a goal down, and that we'd turn the screw second half. But it went backwards.
By the way, fans wax lyrical about Tim Iroegbunam, but he was a lost puppy out there
Thread bare squad. No excuse. Just facts.