"Why Are You Such A B-" | Twitch Politics Server Takes Turns Debating Destiny
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- Destiny fends off ambush debates in the Twitch politics discord server and answers questions along the way.
Date: Jun 17, 2021
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Find out if you can call Destiny daddy or not in this politics discord AMA.
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0:00 - Teaser/Intro
0:18 - Do you foresee meaningful change or will politics remain divisive? One change to make it less divisive?
1:25 - How do you argue against someone who says taxation is theft?
2:13 - If you could change one thing in American culture, what would you change?
2:47 - 98% tax rate
6:46 - How can you call yourself a SocDem and still support welfare?
9:45 - Don't all political ideologies uphold some extremist beliefs?
10:55 - Is it wrong to feed someone butter you made from your own lactate?
17:57 - Prop 13 compromise
19:25 - Do you think people who are running for office should defend their takes on twitter?
20:12 - Do you think it's more effective for workers to campaign to get policies passed or to use unionization?
21:01 - How would you distinguish between populism and extremism? Marijuana bill support? Favorite politicians? Abortion?
23:24 - Who is more scary to Destiny? The far right or the far left?
24:27 - Does religion still have a place in society?
25:30 - Kink at pride position and endgame for queer community.
26:55 - Amazon abuse claim
28:56 - Slimy Steve, duck your way out of this anti-CRT argument
32:27 - Do you think marijuana will be federally recreationally legal under Biden?
32:53 - Why do you think the far right was so successful at recruiting new members? Moral responsibility?
35:00 - Why do you always focus on the left?
36:49 - Transgender children and access to puberty blockers
38:10 - When will the far left lose steam and purity testing
40:00 - Abortion and future harm
48:46 - What is your stance on viewing constitutional rights as negative or positive rights? Excluding parents from a child's care, PPE loan
53:10 - What about the clowns?
55:39 - Break away from politics online vs IRL politics, what 3 things would Destiny implement if he had unilateral power
58:50 - Deplatforming lefties, who do you miss interacting with?
1:01:27 - Can people call Destiny daddy?
1:01:39 - Political extremism can be saved? Market socialism, touch grass and giving social credit to encourage activism
1:06:07 - "we debated on ForceTheVote and I destroyed you and I'm here to do it again"
1:13:05 - Billionaire and political power, pragmatic lefties vs liberal, infrastructure
1:21:31 - Should young children have access to the internet? Free speech and misinformation, Omaha mayoral race
1:26:46 - Ask Yourself universe, tanning and black face
1:29:50 - Holocaust of the poor, reading books
1:32:31 - "This thought experiment is really weird, let me explain why..."
1:35:35 - New Republican party prediction, what harm does neo-pronouns cause?
1:38:02 - "Why are you such a bitch...?" Vaush fan asks about Pakman controversy
1:43:27 - Moralizing economics and means of production
1:49:28 - "I live at the poverty line, have a family of six, on medical assistance and go to the food shelf..."
1:51:51 - Female vs male brain and gender norms, death penalty
Steven > Fat Ian
Not even 5 minutes in and he goes, "no one cares about anything they just want to show who they're aligned to". I think it is an issue but i also think it's some projectstiny.
@@Potatotenkopf If it's projection who is Destiny signalling to?
@@PJF1981 the lefties.
August Godstiny. Pokemon Master Arc
That person REALLY was into the idea of human butter…
It didnt get any better when destiny decided to replace milk with human jizz in a recipe 😭
@@toomuchmidi It didn't get any better because honestly you can't get much better than that.
I think she writes daily nsfw fanfic on twitter about destiny
I get the feeling it wasn't just a hypothetical.
That person was laughing at one point as well . very weird interaction never mind the actual argument
I can't believe he got outpaced intellectually like that
"I feel thin, sort of stretched, like Human butter scraped over too much bread." - Bilbo Baggins
I've jerked into one meal, yes
But what about second breakfast?
"You know the creepy clown trope that's like super super popular now... Do you think that's effecting the clown job market?"
People asking Destiny the hard hitting questions.
i dont know who it is but i LOVE them
I think she's trolling because there's no such thing as "the International Clown Association"
There's various offshoots that sound similar but nothing specifically named that.
Clearly shows some people have way too much time on there hands.
@@woah459 STRDST on twitch
Ahahaha the second Stardust started talking I knew it was gonna be good shit
I like the idea that a restaurant runs out of milks and panics jerks into cartons to finish the day. Thanks destiny for this image
You might like the movie Waiting… similar hijinks
@@ewesty222 They just spit in the food and rub ball sweat in it and stuff. It takes a-whole-nother level of crazy to run out of milk and decide that jizz is an adequate replacement.
@@seanmatthewking I feel like I remember that someone talks about jizzing in something in that movie
this is the type of delivery person to do weird shit to your food on the way over to your house for no reason
That's hot
The existence of clown's rights activists was not on my 2021 bingo card.
what the fuck were they doing in 2016
Mine either, it was on my 2019 bingo card though.
Oh god I'm coming to you guys from 2022 and let me warn you shit just gets weirder.
Disclaimer: Don't eat grass, actually. It has some stuff that really messes up your teeth. Don't do it for a joke pls.
This is true this is true. Don't eat grass, when you can eat ass.
I thought it kinda served as a teeth cleaner for animals aside the digestive benefits.
@@osamabindiesel3389 IIRC something about silica? Not an expert, might be different for animals obviously.
@@MrAzul132 This is true this is true. Don't eat ass, when you can eat grass :)
@@runelt99 Your dentist would not be pleased; grass contains a lot of silica, an abrasive which quickly wears down teeth. Grazing animals have teeth that are adapted to continually grow, replacing the worn tooth surfaces quickly.
People were complimenting the editor a few months back and i didn't get it, it was just simple cuts to provide context.
But now lately i can actually agree that the editing has been significantly improved.
Good job!
Its also his speed, great thumbnails, and he usually manages to take the best events of Destiny's 12 hour streams even outside of big events like Richard Wolff.
Plus it sounds like he puts a lot of hours into his job.
I’ve been a consistent viewer since about 2017 and the videos now are wayyy better than before with all the edits, time stamps, thumbnails and meme edits added in. Only thing that’s missing is weekly meme videos and bestiny of destiny
Editor is actually godstiny
@@asimplewizard yeah I wonder how much time he actually puts in because it’s frankly ridiculous how much he adds to these videos. That, along with researching tweets, clipping other streams to add a face to the opposing debater/other conversationalist, checking in with the community on Reddit about video choices, etc.
He’s a fricken workhorse, but ig if I was the best paid editor on twitch, I’d put in the hours, too.
Even just context cuts os more than a lot of other creators manage to do.
I want to weigh in with everyone else and compliment the fantastic editor. Hope they're getting paid well. The editing for context and backing up past things Destiny has said put this channel above others.
Destiny has specified a few times that he pays his employees very well. He assumes that he pays better than most everyone else. I wouldn't doubt it he seems like a good guy especially if you are helping him. In my opinion when you're in business together or work together the key is that everyone should be happy. Along with obviously profiting that's the way to be very successful and keep everything running smooth.
He makes about $15,000 per month. Not bad right?
@@RobReith nah thats oppressive because capitalism is immoral how do u not know Carlos Marks?
@@paulkerrigan9857 Damn that's some good money
@@paulkerrigan9857 It's because he doesn't get paid a set salary, he gets something like 60% of the ad revenue on the RUclips channel. And the result is stellar and consistent editing :)
It's not so simple as people just say stuff to signify what side they're on, it's more that they're so entrenched that they are already convinced their side is right and that the other is so bad it can't possibly be right about anything, so there's no need to do extensive research because someone on your side already did it for you and they're on the same side as you, which as we all know is always the true and good side.
Political ideology is the new religion
@@50ULL355 It really does feel that way, it's blasphemy to even question.
well
a lot of these have roots in "signaling", because humans, as social creatures, like to signal about anything they do. hell, there is even that hypothesis popularized by michael from vsauce which is that what we call intelligence emerged as a means to argue with our social groups and it is so fallible because it primarily serves social function.
Well that begs the question: who are your words for? If you’re convinced someone’s wrong simply because they are on the wrong side, who are you trying to convince with your words when you come at them? Is it to change their mind? Maybe at times, but definitely not always. Is it to persuade third parties of something? Is it useless and really just for your own ego? Obviously it varies some degree instance to instance, but it’s interesting to reflect on what our actual purpose is when we engage with politics.
But beyond that the, the concept of side isn’t always clear cut. You might generally associate with the left, but which side you fall on issue to issue is much more complicated.
So when you say people don’t feel they need to do the research because someone on their side did it already, what does that mean?
@@seanmatthewking True, all depends who you are really. I know my statement describes who I used to be and the way I used to act online very accurately though, and I still catch myself falling into these bad behaviour patterns sometimes. There are probably a lot of reasons this is such an issue at the moment and this is just a cintributing factor, but maybe a defining factor in a lot of people (as mentioned, me for example).
I don't think it really matters how clear cut the sides are, as long as the individuals arguing over the issue percieve there to be sides, that is all there needs to be for people to take sides and get entrenched. Even if only one 'side' even percieves there to be sides, it'll happen in that group of people. There are a few mechanisms I imagine by which this can happen, but it'll be a really long and rambling explanation and I'm not a sociologist so you probably don't want to hear my guesses.
I thought a bit more about what I was saying, I've realised I'm basically describing the problems caused by misinformation again. Millions of sources for the news allows people to choose which suits them best, a lot of people just don't have time to do the research themselves so they just listen to the people they like online say whatever they say about current events and regurgitate it. But with so many people believing different versions of reality societal cohesion breaks down.
Some policies I completely disagree with you Destiny but God damn I love how you don't just go straight up and down party lines. You are an individual and I appreciate you for that.
@@bobpope3656 Lmao clearly you haven’t seen him talk about neoliberalism. He has opposed open borders and free trade in circumstances. He debated neoliberals about sweatshops before.
The biggest difference is that he supports suburbs and rural areas hugely. Most extreme neoliberals want to abolish the suburbs and move everyone into cities because of more economic activity, lower carbon footprints, and collaboration. Destiny, on the other hand, wants people to leave overly populated cities because he believes having more people in rural areas would stabilize the housing market.
I couldn’t believe he doesn’t support feeding human excretions to unwilling people without their consent??? Ohhhh she’s a vegan nut job haha it’s amazing that this people exist
@@punknowledge2200 homie destiny is very pro immigrantion, I don’t know what you mean by “open borders” but he supports legalizing all undocumented immigrants and making it easier to immigrate into America, and he’s still pro free trade, with regulations of course, now he’s not a neoliberal, 90% of people online don’t know what it even means, but yeah he’s pretty far left, at least in real world terms
@@ericstein8019 He has argued with neolibs like Basitat and ppl from r/neoliberals on why sometimes, not most times, restrictions on trade and immigration can be useful. I'm not saying he isn't far left or anything too. I'm only saying there are neoliberal positions he disagrees with, most notably when it comes to housing.
@@punknowledge2200 saying that’s something can be useful isn’t an endorsement dude lmao. Destinys immigration policies are verbatim neoliberal. Stop being dumb
I really enjoyed this stream. It reminded me of the old days of talk radio where the host used to take lots of different calls on assorted topics. I wish talk radio itself was still like this.
hello fellow boomer, i see you and agree
Watch LBC content. Many perspectives and call in politics. I personally enjoy James O brien and Nick Abbott the most
15:14
this was so unexpected I literally choked on my drink laughing
The interaction reminded me of an Onion video i saw once, where one of the characters was suddenly very interested in vehicular manslaughter laws. Someone has done something they probably shouldnt have done.
Slimy Steve back at it again 🤦♂️
When will he learn to love black people and stop being a liberal?
Are you 13
@@mlgmcdonaldsland7063 are you new here?
@@tannerw.1239
It's not a matter of misunderstanding the meme
It's the way he used them
I thought he luuuuuuh black pepo?
Firstlly, it’s luhhh. Also it’s blahhhh peepo.
"It would have been funny to get reckfuls perspective on the gme thing but I don't think he's coming back to twitch" *other people biting their tongue off so they don't have to laugh about it*
he quit didn't he?
@@billieeisenhower406 yes, quit life. RIP
@@FoliohattuJamal yeah RIP to reckful. He probably would've laughed his ass off to this one tho
@@billieeisenhower406 He literally committed suicide if you're genuinely asking
Reckful vtuber on behalf of the reckful estate
When will destiny debate vaush about UFOs?
at this point the only way they can squash their beef is if the aliens themselves come down and make them
@@NeoDeity outpaced him intergalactically
@@TheRiviaWitcher lmaoo that was so cute it made my day
Aren’t UFO’s fascist?
@@T2G-DJT Only if they are from planet Veltrum.
Editor breaking ground with new ‘intro’ format ideas, nice to see, thanks for the solid content 🙏🏽
I would watch a Pokemon season if Destiny were the protagonist.
Holy shit true
Actually I just want dest to play a hardcore Pokémon nuzlocke
That would be dope.
"is getting a tan problematic"
holy shit lmaoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
😂
Pokemon Black and White had the best soundtrack of all Pokemon games.
Sword and Shield close second
I've never played pokemon before but I disagree
I have never heard that soundtrack but you’re wrong
They have the best plot of all Pokémon games.
Ties with HG SS
Editor keeps pushing the limits of excellence. Bravo!!!!
Somehow destiny was backed into arguing that animals most likely aren't sentient because their brains are different to a humans. Bizarre...
Yeah I feel like vaush and destiny both do mental gymnastics to avoid veganism
@@charlieropesocks5793 Vaush regularly admits that veganism is the ethical thing to do, and he just doesn't engage in it because he likes meat food. Which is pretty valid. "It's right but I'm not going to change my lifestyle to suit it."
Went to school for Comp Sci, I personally know how to build a computer because I learned in high school before I knew anything about software development, but I met a lot of comp sci majors that went into that major purely because of the possible money that you could gain from becoming a software dev, and these people knew NOTHING about actual computer hardware. I had to help a couple classmates build their new PC and I found it extremely disturbing that they didn't know what a CPU looked like until purchasing one on amazon.
Coming up next on “Ackschually”
Whoever came in at 40:00 was way too confident saying absolute nonsense
Welcome to the abortion debate
“If I have to explain that to you then you’re in debate lord mode and you need to take a deep breath” that was epic
The editor seems to clearly care, take not a and pay attention. Great work! Excited to see what new ideas you add to editing
That was a great response Destiny had for that welfare question and the claim that child poverty has only reduced 1% since 1960. For one thing, child poverty rate includes families that live below the poverty line but do not receive welfare. If a parent has a felony conviction, it disqualifies them from receiving certain welfare or subsidies, depending on which state you live in. A variable like that can cause statistics to be misleading. If someone can't receive section 8 housing because of their criminal record then they can still qualify as an impoverished household. In these cases, welfare is irrelevant to the outcome of poverty.
Cause and effect are not always crystal clear. IMO, welfare can have some unseen benefits. For instance, I live in a nice suburb but there are a couple of surrounding cities that are kind of shitty. Those cities have a higher rate of welfare recipients. If we completely eliminated all forms of welfare, you are now opening the door to all kinds of negative side effects. I think it would be fair to conclude that this type of situation would now create a situation where people are put in desperate situations in order to survive. This would logically lead to an increase in crime and poorer people are generally going to commit crimes against richer people. Which leads the anti-welfare crowd to suggest increased policing while disregarding the costs of increased policing and imprisonment. I think for those people, they think it's a matter of principle. They don't want their tax money spent on "free-loaders" but they are okay with that money being redirected toward punishing poor people.
These issues are never simple. If welfare were eliminated you would probably see crime start spilling over into cities and neighborhoods that didn't experience much crime. And if the antidote is increased policing then you are agreeing to turn your own city into a heavily policed area.
I think you're overly charitable to CRT & it's huge a blind spot for you. There are plenty of red flags in CRT that mimic alt-right ideology. Some of which are on a direct one-to-one comparison like race-realism & antisemitism.
To address the kneejerk pivot from bailey to motte - we are far less concerned with teaching nazism in the descriptive context than the prescriptive. Once again, to be absolutely clear: there's a remarkable difference between teaching someone about neo-nazis & teaching someone how to be a neo-nazi. Thus, there's also a remarkable difference between teaching someone about Yakubian myth conspiracy theories & teaching someone to become a Yakubian myth conspiracy theorist.
Terms like "blackness" & "whiteness" need to be validated or invalidated, rigorously, via quantitative or qualitative analysis before we can draw a conclusion from using this lens. Let alone teach or train trusted professionals like school teachers on how they should treat children and their parents based on "whiteness" and "blackness".
I can think of plenty of criticisms liberals, omni or otherwise, would have with CRT. So it comes off really gaslighty to see the same arguments that were used to deflect criticism away from alt-right recruitment by the rightwingers earlier, now being employed by leftwingers to explain away CRT as a nothingburger.
There's some alt-lefty recruitment bullshit going on in CRT & we need to address it just as seriously as we did with alt-right recruitment. They both operate off of a racially-authoritarian dogma + mythology. Both need to be monitored, tested, & regulated so that people don't get hurt.
I’m definitely not on board with all the racial theory crap. Some of it makes sense, some doesn’t. It still not entirely clear to me what anyone means by CRT, so personally I’m just going to evaluate it on a case by case basis. Unless you can show that there something fundamentally wrong with CRT as it’s defined, the. I can only look at individual examples to judge it until I have a clear picture of how it manifests.
@@EsotericOccultist Well the possibility of Covid coming from a lab is a crazy right-wing conspiracy.
@@RanEncounter wat
@@josiahclarke3535 Yes. Can you not read?
@@RanEncounter Except it was never a conspiracy. It was a proposed theory
I love this video format. Keep making these.
The team sports comment regarding how well read people are on a given topic is great.
It's so much easier to just base your opinions on what your team says
I’ve seen u a lot in Destiny and vaush vids. It seems like u kind a fence sitter(not a bad thing btw) . I agree with this take, which is why I gotta be careful when I read the comment section.
@@craydogdog1530 What do you mean when you say fence sitter?
@@TheGIGACapitalist like u don’t side with Destiny or vaush. You criticise or praise them based on the merits of their argument. Apologies if I wasn’t clear enough with my language.
@@TheGIGACapitalist lol it was meant to be a praise.
@@craydogdog1530 subscribe to me for more fence sitting then lol
i like Destiny 95% of the time. But man when it gets to animal ethics the mental gymnastics are really cringy.
Seriously! I used to be vegan but haven’t been for years, so I’m definitely not here to hate on anyone for their choices. But it seems pretty obvious that most animals experience some level of consciousness/sentience.
More likely than not anyway. Seems like we should be flippant about their potential for suffering because we can’t verify it directly or their brains aren’t exactly like human brains, so it’s okay to presume they experience nothing.
I think most people are rightly uncomfortable with things like factory farming, but it’s easy to ignore most of the time. How we choose to resolve the issue is up for debate, but anyone who begins with the assumption that animals aren’t sentient should be ignored.
Explore that all you want in philosophy class, but there is too much on the line to play that game when talking about the practical aspects of raising and eating animals.
I really like Destiny (girls name btw) and most of his takes, but I only stay because of the top notch editor (total alpha btw).
editor is def NOT beta.
Nice edits, very pleasant to watch.
It's 4 AM...
Fuck it, why not?
Thank you to the editor for starting to include the names of the games right at the beginning 🥰😘
Taxation is a transaction fee set by the issuer. In other words the issuer has a right to tax what is issued. In this case of the dollar, it is the US government that is the issuer of US Dollars. Therefor the US government has a right to tax US dollars. Money is not personal property. Money is a government service.
@Desmond Grant There are thousands of different currencies to choose from. It is not the right of the issuer of one currency to tax the issuance of a different issuer, who issues a different currency. For instance the US government does not have the right to tax bitcoin. It may do so anyway, but it has no right to do so.
@@NumeroSystem Negative. The coins and banknotes in my wallet are my property. I own them. And the government does not issue those banknotes - the Federal Reserve does.
@@NumeroSystem FYI, Taxation has nothing to do with the currency itself. People used to be taxed in vegetables.
It is payment for services. If people don't pay taxes, they don't get services. Generally people support things like public education and emergency services. I have to pay more in taxes since the last election, because voters like myself approved a new $20 million fire department in my local district, as the previous one is 50 years old and the city has grown dramatically in that time.
The US has the right to tax Bitcoin because the government has a right to fund these services however they want. If people don't like the ways in which the government is funding services (or don't agree the services should be funded), they can vote someone else into office. Like Trump, who reduced taxes.
@@3112-x9r but they have no value by themselves,they re just paper,so yes,the money is yours,but the value of it is not.
Love the new video editing/ interface
53:11 damn I didn't know the clown lobby was going to come out in this AMA! 🤡 Destiny really does have a diverse audience lol.
Clown politics is no laughing matter...
I wish he had engaged more she seemed like she just wanted to have fun
The clown questions were the best.
Why the fuck is no one talking about the Pokémon fan art. It’s so good
A thought i always have about debates, is its always 2 people vying for control and to lead the conversation, this results in panic and frustration as each of their narratives collide
and prevents reasonable discourse from taking place.
A really good way to construct a debate would be to have 30 mins of one person leading the conversation and 30 minutes inversely
That is assuming both parties are arguing in good faith. Destiny could probably do this because he takes notes throughout. Most people he debates do not, and are so hard set on their stance that as soon as you say anything that destroys and argument or position, they can’t wait thirty minutes to blurt out an insult to derail the conversation.
The "its just your taste-buds" argument is not meant to show that its a simple preference to surmount, its trying to explain that its not a core need in our lives. The pleasurable sensation of swearing at some driver that cut you off, or wearing a leather gucci belt or having sex with a trafficked prostitute is a small pleasure that can be replaced. The difficulty of nudging people away from such social behaviours doesn't speak to how insignificant it is to their overall pleasure.
Food isn't an individual pleasure, it's a social glue with cultural and religious significance upon its obvious health and nutritional significance. The idea that it's a personal decision and comparable to sex with a prostitute (trafficked, nonetheless) is such an atomized individual perspective.
@@sameash3153 Thats an interesting point, hadn't considered cultural significance. Still think that it's not really overriding, and there have been historical cultural practises that may have been a social glue that we don't mind throwing out. Also, yes food in general has nutritional value, but meat only has 1 or 2 irreplaceable (micro)nutrients, B12 and haema-iron i believe, and those can be gained by supplements. And anyway, the harm avoided by not consuming meat greatly outweighs any minor dietary adjustments.
The civil war WAS fought over states rights...
... Slavery was one of those rights AND probably the most significant of them, but there were other states rights... Like if you look at Georgia's declaration for why they were seceding from the US, a ton of it is about slavery, but a little bit of it is still about trade and business with things like fisheries and such... It's a lot more clear in the case of South Carolina though that it wasn't JUST about slavery... Part of South Carolina's declaration for seceding focuses on the Declaration of Independence, stating:
"In the year 1765, that portion of the British Empire embracing Great Britain, undertook to make laws for the government of that portion composed of the thirteen American Colonies. A struggle for the right of self-government ensued, which resulted, on the 4th of July, 1776, in a Declaration, by the Colonies, "that they are, and of right ought to be, FREE AND INDEPENDENT STATES; and that, as free and independent States, they have full power to levy war, conclude peace, contract alliances, establish commerce, and to do all other acts and things which independent States may of right do.
They further solemnly declared that whenever any "form of government becomes destructive of the ends for which it was established, it is the right of the people to alter or abolish it, and to institute a new government." Deeming the Government of Great Britain to have become destructive of these ends, they declared that the Colonies "are absolved from all allegiance to the British Crown, and that all political connection between them and the State of Great Britain is, and ought to be, totally dissolved."
In pursuance of this Declaration of Independence, each of the thirteen States proceeded to exercise its separate sovereignty; adopted for itself a Constitution, and appointed officers for the administration of government in all its departments-- Legislative, Executive and Judicial. For purposes of defense, they united their arms and their counsels; and, in 1778, they entered into a League known as the Articles of Confederation, whereby they agreed to entrust the administration of their external relations to a common agent, known as the Congress of the United States, expressly declaring, in the first Article "that each State retains its sovereignty, freedom and independence, and every power, jurisdiction and right which is not, by this Confederation, expressly delegated to the United States in Congress assembled.""
Basically, South Carolina arguing that the founding fathers wanted them to be able to run things as an independent state and they should be able to do all the things independent states do like protect their sovereignty and such... "Thus were established the two great principles asserted by the Colonies, namely: the right of a State to govern itself; and the right of a people to abolish a Government when it becomes destructive of the ends for which it was instituted. And concurrent with the establishment of these principles, was the fact, that each Colony became and was recognized by the mother Country a FREE, SOVEREIGN AND INDEPENDENT STATE."
For some states going by their explained reasons for seceding, a lot of it is definitely inarguably slavery, but it's not ENTIRELY slavery, some of it that isn't slavery is either tangential to slavery or particularly with South Carolina very focused on the idea of states being encouraged to be able to be functioning very autonomously from the federal government and relating the federal government of the US (which for some states was very far away on horseback) to the British who also ruled over the colonies from very far away... As a side note, the states similarly started seceding when the federal government started asserting it's authority, kinda like how the Revolutionary War occurred when the British Empire started asserting their authority (albeit to get Americans to pay for the war the British fought which mostly benefited the Americans and then the Americans were like "Nah, breh! We ain't doing that!") I think you can kinda see why some states were making comparisons to the federal government and the British Empire... Of course, unlike the British, the North won and established new things in the constitution to post-hoc explain how slavery was illegal (except as punishment for a crime) and never constitutional (even though I think you can make a good argument that it was kinda protected by the constitution and Lincoln's predecessor, Buchanan, also thought this despite also being against slavery... Like, 'property' is a social construct, black people were socially regarded at the time as property, the constitution protected people's property, so... Yeah... Also there was the fugitive slave law but that's since become irrelevant...)
Not pro-confederacy or pro-slavery even though when I make these arguments people accuse me of it anyway, just feel like a lot of people overcompensate when hating on the confederacy... They weren't JUST favoring slavery because they were racist and liked free labor, for a time it was arguably quite important to their economy (more so a fair bit earlier than the civil war though) and there were decent arguments to be made that owning slaves (however immoral it may be) was within their rights to do going by some past documentations and such...
ALTHOUGH people not knowing about slavery in the Thirteen Colonies? Yeah that's ridiculous...
Yes
Props to the editor, that intro was awesome 👍
13:05 young kid but damnnn hes just reaching everywhere. Let it go chief, you cant feed people your own bodily fluids without their knowledge under any circumstance.
You can hear the lack of testosterone in their voice.
When they asked the butter question I was wondering of there was precedent for it
That meme clown question got me laughing while I was washing my teeth...
"Washing"????? Weird phrasing
@@Onthebrink5 My guess is that English is not Theophile's native language. In some languages (Romanian for example) they say wash teeth rather than brush teeth like we do. So it might just be a direct translation without realising English speakers use a different expression.
@@RipleyVolta No I also wash my teeth in the bath
@@jamesbarnett6772 AMAZIN
@@RipleyVolta what a mess
answering if those on the left or right are "scarier" destiny saying those on the left are scarier because they wield more social and political power seems incomplete. the idea that the right could regain power, and most importantly what they would do with that power is TERRIFYING. in this sense the right is scarier to me.
To me anyway, the rightist ideology is more repugnant whilst the leftist ideology is more I am in line with. It's just the people among leftist circles I am more scared of. They are fundamentally cynical people who have gained notoriety in their circles just catering to the prevailing political culture in that circle. Once these kinds of people gain power, they will use any means to retain that power.
Being more afraid of the left is a catastrophically braindead take and honestly puts destiny's spite on display. The left is goofy and doesnt understand economics while the right is basically a conspiracy theory fueled death cult (that also doesn't understand economics).
The left has objectively repressed and killed more people over the course of human history than the right has, and they do it under the guise of humanitarianism and tolerance. The far left should never gain true power in the west, they will destroy it.
@@Zach0451 good luck to you then, my fellow human
@@thatindiandude4602 agreed. power in my mind is no reason to fear something. the fear should be derived from what the power will be used to accomplish, and the republicans are CRAZY....
You are spot on about Lance@theserftimes. He is likely the dumbest of all the bread tubers, and that says a lot. He is crying now that destiny is angry and all about embarrassing the left so he won't talk to destiny anymore but it is really about how bad he's gotten humiliated over his uninformed takes.
Loving the thumbnail.
Absolutely ripper content, editor especially 🤟🤟🥰🥰
youtube frog is clearly the best destiny pokemon
Synth is a 10/10 memer in this
I'M GONNA RAGOOOO
Ouch. Harsh comment about Peterson's addiction to pills after being prescribed them for a medical condition of his own and then increased when his wife was diagnosed with a rare cancer.
Here's a counter to the person who talked about drinking and smoking in the first trimester-
If I have an apartment in the basement of my home and I intend to have someone move into the basement but I release dozens of poisonous spiders into my basement. That would be an immoral action. If I release dozens of poisonous spiders into my basement but the only person down there has 30 seconds to live because their about to have an aneurysm. Then it's probably a neutral act.
In both cases I am releasing poisonous spiders into my basement but in one case I intend a future person to live there and in the other case I don't.
Oh shit, I'm excited to see hear how this guy destroyed big D
what thunderdome debate is destiny talking about at 1:27:50?
Substitute cυm for milk? That's so disgusting but I think you needed to be extreme to get your point across to her. What was the purpose of that line of questioning?
Wdym her? It was a teenage boy
The previews look awesome!
has he talked alot about the having high self esteem thing being super important?
Yeah usually when he’s discussing human interaction the topic of confidence/self esteem comes up. Just in the recent TreeOfLogic collab, even. IIRC she asked him what he thought was most valuable personality trait he had-to which he replied confidence. Along with (paraphrase) “but I’m not sure how people without it can get it”
@@jeremias-serus odd
Hello legate lanaius
This girl threw me way the fuck off with the clown questions I ain’t gone lie😂
Destiny is a coward for not answering the Italian Raceplay question
I love Destiny's ability to actually engage with the substance of inquiries, no matter how absurd they are on their faces; the involuntary breast milk feeding question is a great example of this. Many people would just dismiss it because it's asked at least in part to get a laugh out of the audience and catch him on inconsistent logic if he just goes "ew gross."
I challenge Destiny to a clown debate.
Destiny is gifted. Playing vidyas and debating. I suck ass at both. Okay maybe I'm okay at both separately but I'd be ass doing them simultaneously.
Dude the whole clown thing had me rolling, was that even real? Did you wonder if this chick is trolling?
You think clowns rights are a joke? Woooooooooooooooow…..
The clown economy suffers when anti-clown propaganda is pushed by the masses
everytime I hear that; Either are you with us on (x) or you are against (x), I'm always reminded about a song from Norway that I used to listen too when I was young:
"Tenke sjæl og mene, måtte stå for det du sa
Ikke vri deg unna, ikke være likeglad
Ikke late som du ikke mente det du sa
Ikke si som andre
Du må tenke sjæl"
In English:
"Thinking self and mean, had to stand for what you said
Do not turn away, do not be indifferent
Do not pretend you did not mean what you said
Do not say like others
You have to think for yourself"
That one woman really likes clowns
So destiny is replacing Ash instead of Goh. Destiny is about to become a pokemon master in his first season
re: 1:08:40 "I don't know if animals have sentience."
I can see destiny's point, kinda. Human brains are somewhat special, afaik. But "sentience" must be the wrong term there.
I cannot even imagine denying mammal sentience, that really is very weird to me.
If he had said something like higher level consciousness or human like consciousness, that should be more difficult to demonstrate.
@The Master Yeah. Altho even trees might have some level of sentience.
3 things I’d do.
1.instantly cut all politicians pay by 75%.
2.make lobbying illegal.
3.I’ll come back to this.
lobbying is illegal
the clown girl had me rolling
I would say I wish you could have a clean break from vaush but I keep hearing his stream on your videos.
We need a Black Nationalist debate arc. Problem is they're rare.
They aren't that rare. You're just in the wrong circles.
@@vicariouschism86 Tbh I dont wanna go to those circles then
1:06:17 Gotta say, this guy is right... I do philosophy in university and rule utilitarianism conflicts with ethical egoism, they both have separate methodology for determining what is morally right/wrong... What Destiny is looking for is psychological egoism I think which is the idea that people are driven towards acting in their self-interest (which if you're also a rule utilitarian, you should take this into consideration when determining the rules for which you achieve your utilitarianism and I think Destiny does that...) THAT BEING SAID it's actually a bigger issue than this guy is pointing out... Destiny also calls himself a moral anti-realist at times, which is neither ethical egoist nor rule utilitarianism (though it could still be psychological egoism)... He's talked about how he thinks that morality is essentially people liking things and calling it 'good' while the things they dislike they call 'bad' and basically it's boo-hurrah theory (which leads into a terminology that I'm in favor of which I've not heard Destiny ever use after watching his videos for so long... "Emotivism", the idea that all morality is is just people saying hurrah/boo to things based on how they feel without any moral laws existing to guide morality...)
Destiny can criticize how he doesn't want to be stuck with these labels, but DAMN it makes it confusing and impossible to pin him down on anything...
Also Destiny is reminding me of Descartes with what he's saying about animal consciousness... Descartes thought animals were basically like robots, so he butchered dogs quite brutally and like apparently I'm just reading now that he nailed his wife's dog to a board and chopped it open to prove his point... I feel like this is where Destiny's arguments are heading... Just to be clear, we can tell that animals experience pain and one would think that conscious experience is necessary to experience pain...
No one in computer programming knows anything about computers. They know about programming.
Destiny and Nick rematch plz
I don't think welfare was ever meant to pull anyone out of poverty. It's designed to help you survive in poverty. Only you can pull yourself out of poverty.
The keyword is incentive.
@@russellm2555 yeah sure but you can only incentivize low IQ people to survive in poverty. Intelligent people would not be satisfied with such a way of life.
"Human butter" is a phrase a viewer used unironically. Holy fuck this community is wacky.
danganronpa fans like that one too
Dude please tell me somebody didn’t actually ask if being too tan could be problematic. Like you know people can’t control that shit right? Just because some asshole gets a spray tan doesn’t mean there aren’t people who literally just get dark as fuck in the summer. Speaking as an Italian it’s pretty fucked up to think people might honestly think it’s a problem I get really dark in the summer. Side note to any idiot that’s about to be like “well I’m Italian and I don’t get that dark” first off you have to go outside to get a tan and secondly there is a vary distinct difference skin tones and how dark people get depending on if they are southern or northern Italian. Some of us do get extremely tan in the summer and it shouldn’t be even considered as something that may be problematic. Stop acting like skin color is a basis to judge people
The response to child poverty and welfare was really dumb. The question was really weird but the majority of all welfare programs have been founded on a purpose of fighting child and elderly poverty. Like most welfare scales directly with children or won’t even go into effect unless you have children. Brain dead response from destiny honestly
The Italian race-play question caught me off guard, ngl.
Not-a-gonna lie
Nah Destiny totally lost on the Vaush/Pakman zionist issue. The crt and black nationalist comparison was nonsense. The issue isn't that Pakman supported Israel in some sense. The issue is that he seemed to get triggered by any mention of the Jews and immediately jumped to Vaush being an anti-semite. This may not make him a zionist, but it makes him more a zionist than vaush an anti-semite.
48:33 can someone explain this point to me? the idea that the argument for pro-life that considers female autonomy, in the "my body my choice" sense, is an argument that would justify "killing a two year old"? I didnt understand this.
@Edward Schwartz ahhhh right i get you ok thank you
@Edward Schwartz Destiny fails to take into account that a 2 year old is no longer reliant on the mother's body. A two year old can be handed over to anyone. Maybe not without consequence, but it is no longer "her body" and thus not her choice.
Amazing thumbnail
Be wary of any restaurants opened by that Synth character. Don't butter your toast.
Keeping all children under 18 off the internet seems like a surefire way to create a new generation of tech illiterate adults
Mafia protection money fits your definition of taxation
It’s unhygienic and violating. People expect products from animals, not the people making their food introducing foreign objects. If spit was a realistic substitute for water, you still wouldn’t them to utilize that option, especially without telling you??? Like why would you even introduce that into the mix, who would want that? You are chronically online.
That person definitely fed somebody human better without telling them and is now trying to justify it.
Why does he keep mentioning the "if that's the case we should care about spontanious abortions" thing? It makes no sense. You can be morally against murder while being indifferent to people dying of natural or random causes/diseases/etc.
Wow this real quick to hop in my feeeeeed
Funniest part is listening to the guy advocating for Pascale's Wager for veganism.
10:59
I'm not against trying a woman's milk but Destiny's right on this. Imagine if a dude came in and said "Is it morally acceptable to give a woman cookies made with your semen as an ingredient?" this woman would obviously say no.
This whole argument feels like that "Atheists: Would you drink ye dad's spahm? If not, YOU ARE NOT AN AFEIST THEN!" thing.
Isn't an important point on substituting for example industrial cow milk with some random humans milk(over for example goat milk or just cow milk of a different fat% and/or label) is that the cow(or goat) milk is going to be regulated and tested for disease etc while you have no idea what will come with that humans milk...? On top of the societal expectation argument obviously.
If we had regulated/tested human milk(or in-restaurant milk...ers[? lol]) and the society where this is taking place was fairly used to it then it wouldn't be a big deal.
But if we have a scenario where the society is fairly used to it but someone who isn't tested/regulated/whatever is smuggling their milk in your food without your knowledge that's still morally bad.
Is it Destiny, or the dude asking the questions who is watching Vanish? Lol
Destiny's argument against neopronouns is bad, here is a better one. First, verbs and adjectives are open classes of words, which means that we can invent new ones easily, we invent new verbs and adjectives all the time. Pronouns are more like conjunctions and prepositions, they are a closed class of words that almost never takes new members - when there is change it's gradual over centuries and very limited in scope. A good example is the replacement of the English 2nd person singular thou/thee/thy/thine/etc pronouns with the 2nd person plural pronouns you/ye/your/yours/etc, as well as the removal of the 2nd person accusative "ye" and its replacement with "you." This took a couple hundred years and was bitterly resisted by many people along the way but it did actually happen. But certainly not by fiat, and not quickly or easily, so anybody insisting that pronoun change can be quick or easy or accomplished in a single generation is off their rocker. AND this was a set of pronouns just being deleted, not a set of pronouns being added, which to my knowledge happens so rarely that we can basically say it doesn't happen - but in a world where people "live" increasingly on the internet, who the fuck knows. It's all some extremely online shit to me.
Second, pronouns are NOT used in place of proper names, only third person pronouns are and this is incidental (you would never replace "you" or "I" with a proper name in a grammatically correct sentence), nor are they at all related to personal identity - the function of pronouns is to reference the flow of the conversation respective to speaker, audience, and referent. They are about as generic and non-personal as words can get. In English and some other languages, some pronouns do something else - they indicate gender. For whatever reason, this function stuck around, because it obviously has considerable utility, because gender (which, until the 60s or so, included the concept of biological sex) matters. Whether somebody is a he or a she is literally the most important thing about them. It's the first thing you'll note about them and it's the last thing you'll forget. And that's okay. I understand why some don't like it. But the attempt to strip this function out of pronouns is inherently a political effort aimed to undermine the importance that humans put on gender, and it is most definitely doomed to fail - but, in a transhumanist future, where people will want to design brains the way they will want to design bodies, who the fuck knows?
Bottom line, you're right to resist this garbage because it's retarded, and I say this as a far leftist whom many would call an SJW.
1:46:00 5head take on how to get Ominliberal OTV
Is taxation theft? Perhaps taxation without representation could be considered such, but not when we have representation. And then the fact that the rich are few, and the majority can exert more power on our representatives, is then balanced by the fact that the rich have more power and can, themselves, exert greater influence on our representatives. It just doesn't seem the same situation as theft