Pruning two needle pine bonsai for backbudding and energy balance
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- Опубликовано: 2 авг 2024
- How do you get a pine to backbud?
0:00 Introduction on the video why we prune pines
0:34 Use of a sacrifice branch on Pinus sylvestris waterii, a compact pine
1:06 Difference between Single flush, Double flush, two needle and five needle pines when it comes to pruning
2:14 Candle pruning Japanese Black Pine, Pinus Thunbergii
2:44 Reasons to prune Scots Pine bonsai: how to induce backbudding on Pine
4:55 Second reason for pruning pine: Energy Balance in the canopy
5:57 Examples of where to prune pine bonsai
8:00 A word of warning about following this advice
8:51 Future design steps of this tree and dead branch
10:14 Drop me a line!
10:25 Timing of pine pruning and aftercare
You explain so well Jelle. Many people I assume including myself struggle more with understanding pines. Thankyou.
Hi John, thank you so much! To be honest: I have spent the last ~5 years really working on understanding pines.
Thanks for addressing the Scots. I am in Kansas and have been field growing just under 500 for about 4 years from seedlings and they are very healthy. I have done some hard pruning with great luck and will be doing more small ramification the next two years. This video was very helpful for me.
So happy to hear it! Any videos of your 400 seedling experiment?
Thank you so much for sharing your amazing knowledge. You give such a strong rational vibe I'd bet you did programming at some time in life, and even if not that you'd be great at it
hahahahahahaha, ui.adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2006SPIE.6421E..0GF/abstract
@@GrowingBonsai woooow, I knew you were a djenius! Thanks a lot for all your plant videos!
Lovely clear, no frills or gimmicks explanation and demonstration Jelle, exactly what I signed up for, thanku. Unfortunately my yamadori Scots pine died, but I did have expert advice from experienced, trustworthy people, namely you and Magnus from Green Machine Sweden. God bless you 🙏✝️ ✌️🇺🇦🌻✌️
Ohw.. Sorry to hear! Did you collect the pine yourself? Or was it collected by someone else?
Glad this video was to your liking! Any topic that you think is missing from the channel?
Yes, collected n killed all by myself!! I’ve only been bonsaiing 6 months so don’t even know d questions yet!!! ✌️
@@gayefanner731 Aaah.. A fresh hand! You are in france right? bit of a trip to drop by and spend some time working trees with you I am afraid!
A very good and needed video. I have a fair number of scots pines and many JBP. They are indeed very different. Scot pines can easily become leggy with long branches and little ramification. There are also many different species of Scots pines with grater number of characteristics within the same species. Based on the timing of the video I'm guessing you were doing this in conjunction with approximately the same time japanese black pine would have candle pruning. It would be nice to hear your thoughts on needle pulling as an adjuvant technique for inducing back budding for Scots Pines. Needle pulling seems much more applicable to JBP because they tend to keep the needles much longer. Scots pines also tend to back bud in areas on the tree that is inherently different than JBP. In the USA Scots pines are not nearly as common as bonsai. It may be different on the East Coast were they are grow wild though not native like in Europe. Scots pine seem to have more numbers of candles at node junctions. Any thoughts on how many candles to leave/pull. Some Scots pines will form seven or more candles leading to large unsightly nodes if not managed. I think European growers have much better insight to these trees. There is not enough information about Scots pine bonsai development available IMO.
Thank you!!!
Mats
Really enjoying your videos Jelle. Keep em coming! 👍
Thank you! Will do! (Buuut.. I am thinking about slowing down a little bit. 2 a week almost feels like work!
Excellent and informative video as always Jelle! 👍🐦💙
Hi Jay, thank you so much. This one has been a struggle putting together, because there is So Much one can touch upon!
Thanks, Jelle! Finally I feel I understand why to do these operations on pines and how to do them! Another very clear video like the one on roots over rock. By the way, I’ve just made a roots over rock forest with 5 1-year-old Ulmus Parviflora cuttings following your instructions that turned out fantastic! Let’s see over the next year how it goes!
Ohw, that is so cool! Will you put a video of your creation on your channel? Would love to see!
@@GrowingBonsai cheers! I’m editing ii! Hopefully I’ll finish it over the weekend!
@@sbragaglia Great! Looking forward to it!
Good info thanks! Got my first scots pine a year ago. Random nursery stock that had 11 branches in a whorl. Chopped the trunk down and left one side branch. It set buds like crazy! Keen to see what it does in a couple weeks as spring hits new zealand
Ahw, lucky you. We are headed towards winter. You have summer coming up!
Excellent explanation of back budding on two needle pines !
Thank you!
Excellent informational video. One of the best I found on this subject. Thank you.
Thank you! A pleasure to hear! Do browse the channel, and perhaps you run into another video you like!
Well rounded and informative on trimming this pine species. Letting us know pro and con aspects, and showing drove it home for me.
Thank you so much!
The explanation is very details,a little bit complicated for me who live in the tropics.but I enjoy it to increase my knowledge about plants.
+. If there is a tree trunk that grows straight up ,just make it dead wood so that it looks like it was struck by lightning🌩🌩🌩😊
Haha, it is surprising how many bonsa ihave been struck by lightning!
Thanks for providing rare and very precious information. 🙏
Gladly!
Great video and advice 👍..
Thank you Michael!
Thank you for the information.
Any time!
The same with mugo pines! Thank you for the video
Thank you!
I'm a big fan of Scott pines !! your video is very helpfull !!!tanks a lot from France ;)
You're very welcome. Glad to hear you liked it, thanks for letting me know!
Thank you 😊
You're welcome 😊
Top video, bedankt
Graag gedaan!
Wow
I spend 15years on my pine bonsai but i am so bad at designing bonsai i just grow em compact and try to get shorter growth and nice roots and old bark
Ohw.. That is such a shame. I guess you are a bit far from mid-Germany, else I would say.. Drop by and lets take a look together!
Mantap hadir nyimak👍👍👍
terima kasih dan selamat datang!
Great content Jelle, I've love how consise but informative your videos are. When developing a scots pine what sort of fertilizer do you use? Just organic rapeseed pellets?
Most of my fertilizer is with Saidung & Fish-liquid
Absolutely perfect explanation and should encourage others to get into those pines at the garden centres! I thought I better warn you that I have nominated you for the $50 bonsai challenge in my video this afternoon (5pm). I wasn't sure if you had been challenged yet but I would be very interested to see what you can do at this time of the season! Cheers
Thank you, I hope so too. There is interesting material to be found everywhere.
pm? Here 6 pm. Guess you are on the wrong side of the water ;)! Some people have indeed asked to join the challenge, and I succombed. My video is on youtube, I just need to find the right moment to premiere it. Not sure when is optimal! Probably next weekend, after I have watched mine once more and decided it is done.
@@GrowingBonsai I look forward to seeing what you achieved.
@@XaviersBonsaiRetreat haha, nothing spectecular I am afraid. Went to a regular nursery and got a landxcaping plant. Thing is.. bonsai are marathons, and not short sprints for me..
@@GrowingBonsai I agree totally - I just wish I could get off the starting line sometimes :)
@@XaviersBonsaiRetreat I am not sure what you mean with that? You have started with bonsai have you not?
You have excellent videos! Would this go with mugo to then?
Fantastic Video again! Wann topfst du Sylvestris um, Im Frühjahr oder im Herbst?
Danke dir! Eher spatsommer / herbst; Habe aber auch mit erfolg im fruhling ungetopft
What date did you do this work? Would this technique work with Mugo pines? We’re you just decandling the current year’s candles like you would do for JBP, or we’re you cutting back into the previous year’s growth? Thank you for the intriguing video.
Hi Bob, this work was all done just 2, 3 weeks ago. Early July. I could have waited a little longer maybe. I have one mugo, but I am just starting on the journey with that one. I would suspect so! With this scots I was cutting into old growth too where it was available. Hoever, as I did this work last year too, there was not a lot of old growth left.
Thank you! That's very informative. But I wish you hadn't cut the sound that roughly in between shots :)
Hm. Odd. Does not seem so rough here.
Hi, thanks for wonderfull explaination of pruning pine. I need little guidance. I am in India where the temperature is more than 40 degree Celsius during May June and July. I have to black pine plants in growing phase. Could you please guide me when to decandle the plant? I am really confused.
Decandling pine is ver much a season-dependent thing. I am afraid it is hard to tell for me from europe, with a very diffeerent climate!
Thks for sharing at what time of the year you can do this Work Please?
Mid-summer. So July for me.
Could you please explain the difference between buds and candles, and the way you treat those. I am still having hard time understanding if one evolves into another ? Thanks
A bud starts growing in sprin, and extends. Then we refer to it as a candle!
👍👌👌🙂🙂
:D
By the way, in which category spruces belong to? Should I apply the same technique to it?
Spruces "aint no pines" my dear friend. :)
@@GrowingBonsai 😳😳😳
Does this technique work for 5 needle white pines too?
I need to force some serious backbudding on my white pine
I have a mugo pine I picked up for $22 that had roots wrapped around the truck and it’s only 2” tall before it branches out. There’s a main apex with a purplish cone on it. I pruned it to get rid of whirls, and cut the tips out. Only 2 branches didn’t handle the pruning and my observation is (if you kill a branch on mugo it will brown and die quickly. Everything seems okay with the tree, but the trunk is probably 3” in diameter and super short!
My question is: if your Scot’s pine backbuds, will a mugo backbud similarly?
I read they do not and to leave needles where you want branches and they won’t backbud?
Thanks
I find mugo backbud much better than scots pone. But pruning it to 2 inches sould like overkill
Sorry, i don't get WHEN (month?) have you done the pruning?
Ich werde mich an meine Kiefer setzen und entsprechend verfahren.
Habe deine Bilder gesehen Theo. SIeht ja gut aus! Bald drahten?
❤ hoeveel naalden laat u op de tak staan ? Na het inkorten van kaars?
Ik probeer bij uiteindelijk ontwerk 10-15 paar naalden te laten staan.
Hi
Does the same principle apply to Japanese white pine? Thank you
I really do not have an answer. Japanese White pine are very weak in my region, and the ones that are not grafted struggle. I have not come across people that have grown these from seed here.
@@GrowingBonsai ok thank you anyway for replying.👍
there's lots of information about what to do with black pine because the Japanese have been developing them as bonsai for decades. eventually with experimenting like this we will know what to do with our pines.
Lets hope we learn faster than we kill them!
hallo Jelle, Er zijn ook drienaalden dennen
Hm.. Which species?
Greetings! I have a scots pine, who in fact is a lot like yours. It was collect 2 years ago, and has been sitting in a large fruit basket since then. At some point I am going to have to consider how I want to style it, but I have no clue where to begin. If I were to provice you with photos, is there any chance you could give me a few pointers? By the way, love your videos!
Hey Dennis, absolutely! Make sure your pictures are against a plain background (so the structure is clear) and taken "from pot level".I have a facebook page under the same name as this youtube channel, which is easier for sharing stuff?
@@GrowingBonsai I couldn't find your page, so I sent you a DM instead
Hoe gaat het nu met deze ?
Zeer goed. Volgend jaar gaat de sacrifice er vanaf denk ik, en wordt de boom helemaal opnieuw bedraad.
*Japanese White Pine - Pinus parviflora
what about them?
@@GrowingBonsai nothing really in the video you referred to them as P. Pentaphyla I was wondering if this is the same.
Stone pine?
Scots!
I mean advice for Stone Pine, please.
I think I need a bit more experience before I do anything like that to my pines...
Haha, what is the worst that could happen? Hm.. Come to think of it. You do not want to kill a pine! :)
@@GrowingBonsai I have grown my pines from seed the oldest is 6 years old ..
@@natrjack965 If it helps at all - his advice is spot on and if your trees are healthy they will respond well. But they are your babies :)