True. But Angrybird is spitting facts. Bison is crazy plus, has a monster tool to punish fireballs, great set play, double knee is so safe because of the pushback, has one of the fastest (if not the fastest drive rush), and if you watch Kakeru's arial play then you can imagine all the untapped potential. Bison is really good.
@@sm7085 Zangief went from on of the worst to "best in the game." Whose deciding these things? After Bison has been out for a while they'll "decide" that he's b tier cuz reasons.
@@michaelcarrig627 He seems really strong so far. Currently I find him a tougher matchup than Akuma but he’s not been out long yet. Punk took CEO with Akuma though, which is maybe not surprising when you give a character with that fast a walk speed to a player with such good footsies. Bison has no reversal but his amazing drive rush, normals, damage and aerial game are oppressive. And unlike Akuma, even if you catch a break, the round is far from over. All in all though S2 is way more balanced than S1 and so far there doesn’t seem to be as big a gap between the tiers. We’ll know more by EVO though for sure.
Exactly. The button would be useless if it wasn't plus. I feel like the slow startup + frame advantage create great balance. I love the strategic implications of having such high risk\high reward button.
@@joshuaellis3295 a high risk, high reward normal would be like akuma's stHK which is very unsafe on crouching opponents and has a 13 frame startup. 19-frame startup in neutral is still strong if you have range and are always plus on block.
19f doesn't matter if it has insane range. Its very hard to outpoke Dictator's s.hp if he space it correctly. Just think about Dhalsim's long range normals, they are slow af and is trash in close range but at a certain distance they are godlike. Dictator pros are going to space their s.hp correctly. Not to mention there's the insane 2mk with insane range and knee press to control neutral. Imo his s.hp is fine its his other tools that his opponents has to respect and that makes his s.hp more potent.
the range tho, if it was negative but not punishable it’d still be good because of the range but instead you’d have to space it properly to get the real value out of it
It's not about feeling bad for any individual character, it's about feeling bad players in general. Not character specific ones. Perhaps there are characters who strongest against bison? Please let me know, at least I can find comfort in that
I know I'll eventually get better at this matchup but I didn't have so much trouble with Akuma. I already played more matches against Bison than all my total matches against Lily since the release date lol
@@sm7085 100%, outside of maybe the first week or two at launch. The debate was whether he was was merely top 3 strong but 'fair' or S+++ tier broken OP. It was obviously the former (though toned down now) and not the latter. Now Bison is the s2 version.
bison's heavy punch is a Blue cancelable not red(training mode). but it cancels into all 3 supers. it's crazy. usually most characters having such normals only cancels to lvl3/2 but not all 3.
What I find annoying about Bison is the crmp range, the pure safety on block of just about everything except OD scissors, and the crazy whiff recovery he got.
Bison’s St.HP isn’t broken…that’s a whole 19 frames of startup to only be +1 🧐 Plus he doesn’t have any wake-up options besides super…I don’t see what everyone’s complaining about
He didn’t lab the character, he didn’t purchase the character yet and he already saying he is top tier lol , and plz don’t ask about why he has that and that we don’t ask why ken has this bullshit free meterles corner carry, side switch and full screen safe drive rush with hadoken and we don’t ask why rashid lvl 2 carry players who played him and so on….. and wait for terry he will make us forget about bison fast
@@Mack9077conventional wisdom used to hold that the most consistent thing separating the top tiers from the rest of the cast was whether or not they had an OD reversal...and Bison seems to throw that one out the window. I also think Bison is incredibly strong and kinda feel like he's overturned but "you can just tell" is a pretty weak way to make your case.
THANK YOU AB!!!!! Thats all i needed, A pro player to confirm to me that i wasn't trash playing Akuma and losing 8/10 Bison matches. This match up is so stupid how plus he and his damage to Akuma needs a serious nerf.
@@telegoneloic5309 who do you play? some of us like shotos and will only play shotos. i was never a akuma player but when your limited on choices it is what it is.
Comments are crazy here lol. It's simple - bison is slightly op in 2 areas. His st.hp being plus with huge range. The startup makes no difference if there is no button will reach it during start up. But fine, let him keep that tool since his defense is kind of weak. The main nerf needed is to the scissor kick. Players should have to think about its spacing. The push back is to far. Reduce the pushback on the scissor kick and hes balanced. If the scissor kick was a charge move, id say leave as is. But an input motion makes it dummy proof. Unfortunately because of stupid modern controls there is only room for 2 charge moves
I also agree with Angrybird about OD Psycho Crusher. If he’s doing a YOLO gap-closer and I block it, and it’s not punishable, he should at least be in throw range. It makes no sense that he’s outside of throw range when you block that move.
LOL noobs, you can already see bison players NOT using scissor kicks in topanga and other asian tournaments because he DOES have to space it. There is even a video of someone showing a punish with EVERY CHARACTER if you mess up his spacing by just walking FORWARDS OR BACKWARDS.
That's why Akuma must have jump back and jump forwards with two air fireballs and invincibility teleport and raging demon should be unstoppable upon punch, kick or jump as minimum buffs.
4:03 - bro Ken’s FB hurtbox is ridiculous. He’s like the only non-zoner shoto, because he can’t effectively play the FB/DP game like Guile, Akuma, Ryu, Juri, etc.
@@maganvelemeny8843 yeah, but I don’t expect the same degree of usage as Akuma. Dictator has a very unique tool set, not as brain dead easy as Akuma. In general too, the game is very zoner-unfriendly. Guile is top 5, but his usage rate is way below.
@@workoutfanatic7873 Yeah ken is so weak! There is nothing he does to redeem his fireball being worse than the other shotos, that must be why so many people play him still!
@@dddaaa6965 he can’t zone. Are you disputing that? Show me any replays of a zoner Ken - they don’t exist except at rookie level 😂. He can’t even zone Gief.
@@dddaaa6965 it’s not about Ken being weak, he’s top 7, top 1 for me lol. It’s the fact that Ken is a SHOTO, which is a traditional archetype. Shotos are supposed to have zoning prowess, at least a bit. Ken doesn’t have that privilege, so yes, Capcom made him a SHOTO who can’t zone - like at all, unless we’re talking full screen, or OD meaty - but that’s not really zoning, is it?
Why does he mash and what button is he mashing when he does? Like from what I’ve seen he mashed when doing Ken’s od Shoryuken and some of his super arts but after he had already executed the move. Does it add more hits to the move if you mash as you’re doing the move?
I wouldn’t say he’s top tier but at absolute worst he’s still at A tier. Bison has really good buttons, can 2-touch almost everyone in the roster and has arguably the best mobility in the game
The man throws another fireball at 4:03 then gets surprised that an ex charge move specifically against it beats it. "I did it on purpose" - good, now you know to not do that.
people relax. MB has to have something going for him if I see everyone popping Anti Bison Guides on my RUclips recommended. This is natural reaction against a new character with some shit you dunno how to deal with. You’d react the same way.
Yea i agree hes strong but he isnt broken by any means the casual audience has to stop complaining when they aren't even playing high level to even say nerf this character
@@Ryuma103desires I feel like Bison just sits at the top of A tier. He is definitely above average but he isnt the most OP character by any means. I feel like people just havent gotten used to his gimmicks and dont know how to punish him. People will get used to him with time
@@unforgiven3035 yea it's a different play style people haven't gotten used to yet and I think Capcom should keep releasing characters with different play styles to keep the game fresh
Bison is a top 3 character in the game right now and he's probably #1. Don't know what you guys are talking about. He has moves that are difficult if not impossible to punish. He has optimal combo routes that reach almost 80% damage. His crouching mp is as good as Luke's and Akuma's. Fullscreen projectile invincible EX Psycho Crusher. Now is not the time to downplay M. Bison.
Standing HP has to be plus. It cant be cancelled in to drive rush and you can only use super after it and its slow asf. It not like kens HP where you can keep mashing
Characters with HP plus, Zangief, Jp, Ryu, AKI, Manom, Cammy, Guile, you are the one of the best but you want they nerf characters in zones that they dont need to
If you can't feel how unfair bison is, you are willfully ignoring it. From how plus he is on moves, to the insane damage. This character will be nerfed. There's no way he won't be. I just hope it comes sooner than later
> gave Jamie almost nothing…. Are you drunk (as Jamie mains, we often are I guess)? Please look at the most recent patch notes: Jamie was blessed with amazing changes. Difficulties playing him are definitely our own skill issues now and not a problem with the character.
This is a known and widely reported issue: When your opponent highlights M. Bison on the character select screen, Akuma is automatically deleted from the game and can't be played.
I feel your pain angrybird to me they made bison pay to win dlc more so than Akuma but lately i been on a mission and been cooking all the bison players with Ryu they stand no chance
ANGRY i noticed a pattern. Only way you beat bison with ken is with OFFENSE and BAIT. Notice how you drive rush poked with kick to bait bison to whiff. Wake up punish is also strong vs Bison. DI and PP also turned around stock in our favour. Basically you MIXED it up alot. You and bigbird sometimes fall into the same trap PATTERNS and in order to beat PATTERNS you were only succefully beating him with MIXED options. i told Bigbird the same thing if you see yourself fall into a PREDICTABLE pattern then start employing bait options and MIX it up.
Bison's scissor kick is most def punishable by Low LK into DP or LP into Drive rush combo - all day depending on spacing can get LP into combo (all with Ken)
MB is a character that doesn’t let you walk all over him. Most of you just want to be able to do whatever you want to do without thinking to get wins. Nothing is wrong with MB. Use your brain 🧠 and get good.
To answer his question if any other character has plus heavy normals. Akuma's stand fierce kick is +3. There may be more. I haven't played every character. I think he's really overreacting a bit. Both of Bison's plus normals also each have their downsides.
@@SOSLO1324 what makes me absolutely mad is that i learned akumas bnb m.p >m.p> light tatsu> medium dp !! and even if you hit m.p>m.p the light tatsu would whiff if the opponent got hit crouching
Speaking of privileged fierces - Jamie’s is pretty dope, 5 or 6 startup, blows up any DI, and the opponent doesn’t take his turn because of the animation 😂. I think it’s -1 on block.
100 percent agree. The ease and lack of effort with which he wins is ridiculous . Devils reverse is basically free plus frames, you can barely DI it. Even when I block his scissor kick at close range, Chuns 5LK into lighting legs whiffs.
There is like half roster in top 5 characters since release let me name them (luke,ken, akuma,deejay chun-li,bison, blanka,cammy, juri,rashid,JP, ed and even kimberly,marisa and Guile at one point) oh shit how im i going to play this broken game ..
Bison is back to old school BS. Making him ultra powerful for no reason. Sometimes it feels like Capcom has a thing for certain characters and they just have to be STRONG, no consideration of balance at all. If they don't patch this character, I'm going to take a step back from the game. I agree with everything AngryBird said. Why are these buttons plus? And if your going to do that, why allow it to affect drive gauge so much? Why make his inputs easier than ever? Ppl who use this character knowing the unfairness better be trying to make money, cuz this can't be for fun. That's a losers fun.
Yeah. I'm thinking the same thing. I think Bison will be more balanced out when Capcom sees a sales decline for bison. WHen will that be? I don't know..
Top 5? The ability to two-touch without Marisa's inherent lack of mobility. All I'm seeing is Capcom blatantly bringing hype in time for EVO/CC, which they will promptly nerf afterward even if they don't want to, because the FGC will be unhappy at not being able to use the rest of the roster due to one stupidly OP character.
That’s cause you have to throw it closer . Even if he reads a mid range fireball, his i frames for projectiles start late so it will hit . He’s guaranteed to punish the farther away he is
I love Angrybird, by my guy... This is not a 7-3 maychup lol. Akuma beats M.Bison for sure. That offense... Absolutely nothing you can do about that. Bison is way too limited on defense.
There's no doubt his offence is strong, Bird, but his defence is the worst in the game. He has nothing. His standing HP has a massive startup, so it can't be abused, really. Level 1 is 10 frame startup and can be jab blocked.
@@purefire21he’s right, bison is a feast or famine character, and most of the time he’s feasting. But once you have him on the back foot he doesn’t have much to regain momentum. Having said that tho he’s still probably top 4-6
@purefire21 I'm playing Bison now. I'm struggling a bit. I'm not sure what your point is. In no way am I implying that I'm even close to the same level as Bird or other pros. You don't need to be great to still enjoy fighting games. I'm 40 now, so I accept and understand my reactions are old food.
FGC discourse will make you believe there are more than 5 characters in top 5
Everyone knows there are 16 characters in the top 5 for SF6 😂
True. But Angrybird is spitting facts. Bison is crazy plus, has a monster tool to punish fireballs, great set play, double knee is so safe because of the pushback, has one of the fastest (if not the fastest drive rush), and if you watch Kakeru's arial play then you can imagine all the untapped potential. Bison is really good.
@@michaelcarrig627don’t say this on Reddit everyone will call you a scrub and ask why your 4f normal doesn’t reach 2 feet straight out.
@@sm7085 Zangief went from on of the worst to "best in the game." Whose deciding these things?
After Bison has been out for a while they'll "decide" that he's b tier cuz reasons.
@@michaelcarrig627 He seems really strong so far. Currently I find him a tougher matchup than Akuma but he’s not been out long yet. Punk took CEO with Akuma though, which is maybe not surprising when you give a character with that fast a walk speed to a player with such good footsies.
Bison has no reversal but his amazing drive rush, normals, damage and aerial game are oppressive. And unlike Akuma, even if you catch a break, the round is far from over.
All in all though S2 is way more balanced than S1 and so far there doesn’t seem to be as big a gap between the tiers. We’ll know more by EVO though for sure.
you are asking why stand hp is plus but it is 19 frame start up. that’s why it’s plus
And is only super cancelable.
Exactly. The button would be useless if it wasn't plus. I feel like the slow startup + frame advantage create great balance. I love the strategic implications of having such high risk\high reward button.
@@joshuaellis3295 a high risk, high reward normal would be like akuma's stHK which is very unsafe on crouching opponents and has a 13 frame startup. 19-frame startup in neutral is still strong if you have range and are always plus on block.
19f doesn't matter if it has insane range. Its very hard to outpoke Dictator's s.hp if he space it correctly. Just think about Dhalsim's long range normals, they are slow af and is trash in close range but at a certain distance they are godlike. Dictator pros are going to space their s.hp correctly. Not to mention there's the insane 2mk with insane range and knee press to control neutral.
Imo his s.hp is fine its his other tools that his opponents has to respect and that makes his s.hp more potent.
the range tho, if it was negative but not punishable it’d still be good because of the range but instead you’d have to space it properly to get the real value out of it
Lets be honest chat ... Even if what he says is true, are we really going to feel bad for Akuma or Ken, for any reason at all?
The shoto hate is unreal
It's not about feeling bad for any individual character, it's about feeling bad players in general. Not character specific ones. Perhaps there are characters who strongest against bison? Please let me know, at least I can find comfort in that
@@YunisRajab Nah I like Ryu. 😅
definitely feeling bad for akuma, bison does more damage and is mostly plus but still has normal HP
F A C T S.
2:47 "WHAT?"
Yeah, I had the same reaction.
Never seen the game freeze like that before.
I thought RUclips was glitching
I know I'll eventually get better at this matchup but I didn't have so much trouble with Akuma. I already played more matches against Bison than all my total matches against Lily since the release date lol
I haven’t played a single bison since I started playing again a week after he released
@@MrCrimsonftw wow really? I'm in Diamond and I fight 90% Bison
@@woof9408 I’m plat 5 I’ve been fighting everyone but him. I was shocked
@@MrCrimsonftw Hope you never have to lol
@@woof9408 I’m hearing he’s a menace
Angrybird! The best Ken
The way you play this character, masterful.
These comments are hilarious. Y’all probably the same people swearing up and down JP was mid tier in season 1 and everyone just needed to git gud.
Brother, nobody thought JP was mid tier.
JP still mid tier. Matter fact, he's bottom 2
@@hypoxxi5505Dumb
@@hypoxxi5505says the JP main
@@sm7085 100%, outside of maybe the first week or two at launch. The debate was whether he was was merely top 3 strong but 'fair' or S+++ tier broken OP. It was obviously the former (though toned down now) and not the latter. Now Bison is the s2 version.
I didn’t face that many Akuma’s when he first released but faced M.Bison 13 ranked matches in a row 😂😂😂
All I face online are Akuma’s and Bison’s.
Diamond an above is all akuma an bison
Really? The first week of akuma he was literally the only character I would see
lol what ? I played Akuma and Bison to master and that's like 70 percent of what I fought , both times.
@@abysswalker3267 more M.Bison’s tho 🤣🤣🤣
Yes angry bird, missed seeing videos from you and your Ken. 🔥
The AngryDictator has spoken
bison's heavy punch is a Blue cancelable not red(training mode). but it cancels into all 3 supers. it's crazy. usually most characters having such normals only cancels to lvl3/2 but not all 3.
What I find annoying about Bison is the crmp range, the pure safety on block of just about everything except OD scissors, and the crazy whiff recovery he got.
Let me guess. Ken is bottom 5.
its funny bison is silly but its hard to feel any sympathy for ken players lol
Nah. Even Angry would agree Ken is top 3
Akuma was amazing until he loses too apparently. Just so much whining
@@shingobingo490Akuma’s hp is the problem with Bison. Other than that I think they’ll pretty close
They’re *
Bison’s St.HP isn’t broken…that’s a whole 19 frames of startup to only be +1 🧐 Plus he doesn’t have any wake-up options besides super…I don’t see what everyone’s complaining about
The startup frames are irrelevant with the crazy range it has
@@YunisRajabexactly if youre not in range to react to or whiff punish bison can just bully you lol
Bro has no defence I agree Nara ppl be complaining about bs
I totally agree with you. He’s also a Shoto killer always has been most likely always will be.
He didn’t lab the character, he didn’t purchase the character yet and he already saying he is top tier lol , and plz don’t ask about why he has that and that we don’t ask why ken has this bullshit free meterles corner carry, side switch and full screen safe drive rush with hadoken and we don’t ask why rashid lvl 2 carry players who played him and so on….. and wait for terry he will make us forget about bison fast
He’s top 10 for sure, if you understand the core fundamentals of sf6 you’ll know what differentiates a low tier and a top tier fairly quickly.
@@Mack9077conventional wisdom used to hold that the most consistent thing separating the top tiers from the rest of the cast was whether or not they had an OD reversal...and Bison seems to throw that one out the window.
I also think Bison is incredibly strong and kinda feel like he's overturned but "you can just tell" is a pretty weak way to make your case.
Hi.. really curious.. what is corner carry? Side switch?
@@Mack9077 You do know there are like 20 characters in this game? If he's in top 10 that could mean he's still mid tier LUL.
@@dddaaa6965 lol right
THANK YOU AB!!!!! Thats all i needed, A pro player to confirm to me that i wasn't trash playing Akuma and losing 8/10 Bison matches. This match up is so stupid how plus he and his damage to Akuma needs a serious nerf.
Akuma is another bit&h character. You get no sympathy.
@@Backtothehat Agreed if you play Akuma you're a cornball
No sir lol. U have to actually master the character and don't make many mistakes that's the gimmick.
@@telegoneloic5309 who do you play? some of us like shotos and will only play shotos. i was never a akuma player but when your limited on choices it is what it is.
bro said this like we bought to go to ball for an akuma player lmao
Comments are crazy here lol. It's simple - bison is slightly op in 2 areas. His st.hp being plus with huge range. The startup makes no difference if there is no button will reach it during start up. But fine, let him keep that tool since his defense is kind of weak. The main nerf needed is to the scissor kick. Players should have to think about its spacing. The push back is to far. Reduce the pushback on the scissor kick and hes balanced.
If the scissor kick was a charge move, id say leave as is. But an input motion makes it dummy proof. Unfortunately because of stupid modern controls there is only room for 2 charge moves
I play bison and would be totally fine with a scissor kick nerf
I also agree with Angrybird about OD Psycho Crusher. If he’s doing a YOLO gap-closer and I block it, and it’s not punishable, he should at least be in throw range. It makes no sense that he’s outside of throw range when you block that move.
As someone who mained Bison in SF4...I would be fine if scissor became charge again
@aeparaflux totally agree bro, but sadly it can't due to modern controls. Charge characters can only have 2 charge moves
LOL noobs, you can already see bison players NOT using scissor kicks in topanga and other asian tournaments because he DOES have to space it. There is even a video of someone showing a punish with EVERY CHARACTER if you mess up his spacing by just walking FORWARDS OR BACKWARDS.
Top tier or Mid tier I'll still use Bison. He's one of my characters I'll always use.
He’s top 10 imo but time will tell
@@Mack9077 oh he's higher than top 10
@@AnthonyBottari I don’t disagree, just leaving room for speculation
@@Mack9077 huh
@@AnthonyBottari your saying he’s top 5 and I’m saying I agree with you but I said top 10 to leave room for speculation
We really need a guide againts Bison
I hate how street fighter content creators put a discussion kind of title then the video is just 30 minutes of them playing the game lol
The discussion is during and at the end of the match
That's why Akuma must have jump back and jump forwards with two air fireballs and invincibility teleport and raging demon should be unstoppable upon punch, kick or jump as minimum buffs.
4:03 - bro Ken’s FB hurtbox is ridiculous. He’s like the only non-zoner shoto, because he can’t effectively play the FB/DP game like Guile, Akuma, Ryu, Juri, etc.
And it was beaten by a charged ex move specifically designed to beat fireballs....
@@maganvelemeny8843 yeah, but I don’t expect the same degree of usage as Akuma. Dictator has a very unique tool set, not as brain dead easy as Akuma. In general too, the game is very zoner-unfriendly. Guile is top 5, but his usage rate is way below.
@@workoutfanatic7873 Yeah ken is so weak! There is nothing he does to redeem his fireball being worse than the other shotos, that must be why so many people play him still!
@@dddaaa6965 he can’t zone. Are you disputing that? Show me any replays of a zoner Ken - they don’t exist except at rookie level 😂. He can’t even zone Gief.
@@dddaaa6965 it’s not about Ken being weak, he’s top 7, top 1 for me lol. It’s the fact that Ken is a SHOTO, which is a traditional archetype. Shotos are supposed to have zoning prowess, at least a bit. Ken doesn’t have that privilege, so yes, Capcom made him a SHOTO who can’t zone - like at all, unless we’re talking full screen, or OD meaty - but that’s not really zoning, is it?
The recovery frames of shp are also a big factor 17 recovery frames for that long of a range button is strong.
3:40 why would big bird not use OD crusher after the bomb is planted here and win the game?
Prob didnt have back pressed thats why
Senpai Angrybird, at 4:30, was that an intentional counterhit setup ?
he probably dropped the combo and counter hit confirmed off bigbird mashing
@@IAMTHESLIME_I think it was a setup because that normally doesn’t combo. Plus it was done off of a perfect parry where there is damage scaling.
You got this, you make us Kenners proud 🎉
Why does he mash and what button is he mashing when he does? Like from what I’ve seen he mashed when doing Ken’s od Shoryuken and some of his super arts but after he had already executed the move. Does it add more hits to the move if you mash as you’re doing the move?
It doesn't add hits or anything like that, he just does it out of habit lol
that’s hilarious, I’m over here thinking this guys advanced he’s doing that for a reason 🧐
I wouldn’t say he’s top tier but at absolute worst he’s still at A tier. Bison has really good buttons, can 2-touch almost everyone in the roster and has arguably the best mobility in the game
@lennydickson8845 Hello, please, what are the 5 best characters in the first season? And the five best of the current (second season)?? BE SINCERE
The man throws another fireball at 4:03 then gets surprised that an ex charge move specifically against it beats it. "I did it on purpose" - good, now you know to not do that.
2:47 the most powerful DI ever executed
Its hilarious hearing him call bisons moves stupid...when he plays ken lmao
Ken has this but Bison has this!
people relax. MB has to have something going for him if I see everyone popping Anti Bison Guides on my RUclips recommended. This is natural reaction against a new character with some shit you dunno how to deal with. You’d react the same way.
Yea i agree hes strong but he isnt broken by any means the casual audience has to stop complaining when they aren't even playing high level to even say nerf this character
@@Ryuma103desires I feel like Bison just sits at the top of A tier. He is definitely above average but he isnt the most OP character by any means. I feel like people just havent gotten used to his gimmicks and dont know how to punish him. People will get used to him with time
@@unforgiven3035 like you said, people always complain before they've even learnt anything about playing against the character
@@unforgiven3035 yea it's a different play style people haven't gotten used to yet and I think Capcom should keep releasing characters with different play styles to keep the game fresh
Bison is a top 3 character in the game right now and he's probably #1. Don't know what you guys are talking about. He has moves that are difficult if not impossible to punish. He has optimal combo routes that reach almost 80% damage. His crouching mp is as good as Luke's and Akuma's. Fullscreen projectile invincible EX Psycho Crusher. Now is not the time to downplay M. Bison.
Standing HP has to be plus. It cant be cancelled in to drive rush and you can only use super after it and its slow asf. It not like kens HP where you can keep mashing
Best top tier Ken,guile,Cammy,ryu,Ed,rashid,juri,Deejay,blanka,luke while Akuma and m bison still new recent releases
23:12 "trash style against this guy" Haha, fighting Bison really forces you play like a dummy sometimes in order to fight him.
Isnt cammy cr.hp +1?
Yeah not super cancellable tho. Can cancel into level 1 etc if they DI verse Bison. At least at their level
Bigbird joga com o M.Bison no nível tão alto. Incrível oque você faz com esse personagem!
Characters with HP plus, Zangief, Jp, Ryu, AKI, Manom, Cammy, Guile, you are the one of the best but you want they nerf characters in zones that they dont need to
Ryu is -2
If you can't feel how unfair bison is, you are willfully ignoring it. From how plus he is on moves, to the insane damage. This character will be nerfed. There's no way he won't be. I just hope it comes sooner than later
Bison looks fun hehe. Missed ur ken vids angrybird
It’s crazy that they released akuma and bison in a row and gave Jamie almost nothing….
> gave Jamie almost nothing….
Are you drunk (as Jamie mains, we often are I guess)? Please look at the most recent patch notes: Jamie was blessed with amazing changes. Difficulties playing him are definitely our own skill issues now and not a problem with the character.
Kimberly has plus 2 hk 22:00
so?
@@gameclips5734 he was asking if anyone has a plus heavy button
@@kenzobeast oh at 22:00, found it
that has no range and can only be used after either a jumpin or after certain meaty setups not comparable to bisons st hp
Cammy and Gief also have + on block heavies. Of course those can only be used up-close though.
Good. Its about damn time Akuma gets knocked down a notch or 2
Bison with multiple set up
It's rough, I struggle playing as every shoto against him except Luke.
"The shitty neutral jump" 🎉
He says bison beats akuma air fire ball is that cus of ex psycho crusher?
Unblayable.
This is a known and widely reported issue: When your opponent highlights M. Bison on the character select screen, Akuma is automatically deleted from the game and can't be played.
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GUYS!
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@@JackCrossSama GUYS LUKE LUKE WHY ARE BISON HEAVY 🅱LUS?
Angrybird is a Master at clickbaits and creating internet controversy. Ken/Akuma main complaining about safe moves and pressure.
His controller sounds like a machine gun
Voce é brabo mano....você é brabo....Brazil...
I feel your pain angrybird to me they made bison pay to win dlc more so than Akuma but lately i been on a mission and been cooking all the bison players with Ryu they stand no chance
Is akuma viable now? Kkkk
6:00 i just checked and this st hp only has 17f of recovery hell nah
LOL okay that's actually BS...
@@dddaaa6965 plus frames are deserved for such a move but they need to increase the recovery
Akuma's walk speed alone means he has no 7-3 match-ups - let alone his other tools.
Crying over a 19frame startup heavypunch lol
how can you play on the middle east servers?
ANGRY i noticed a pattern. Only way you beat bison with ken is with OFFENSE and BAIT. Notice how you drive rush poked with kick to bait bison to whiff. Wake up punish is also strong vs Bison. DI and PP also turned around stock in our favour. Basically you MIXED it up alot. You and bigbird sometimes fall into the same trap PATTERNS and in order to beat PATTERNS you were only succefully beating him with MIXED options. i told Bigbird the same thing if you see yourself fall into a PREDICTABLE pattern then start employing bait options and MIX it up.
BigBird is a really good M Bison holy F!
Bison's scissor kick is most def punishable by Low LK into DP or LP into Drive rush combo - all day depending on spacing can get LP into combo (all with Ken)
Unfortunately it takes a literal troglodyte to consistently scuff the spacing on scissor kicks
lol you think pro players dont know to space that move ? thats why the move is ridiculous
i hear the noises of dinner time
My friend
akuma can def handle bison you just gotta play crazy and smart style 😊👍 trust me
MB is a character that doesn’t let you walk all over him. Most of you just want to be able to do whatever you want to do without thinking to get wins. Nothing is wrong with MB. Use your brain 🧠 and get good.
You'd think you just won a tournament or something 😂
You are a one of these people who thinks the problem are the players and not the Game, You sucks
Lol no. If nothing else at least, his scissor kick has way too much pushback. Minimal risk and you can throw it out whenever.
Seriously, bison is strong but people need to play him for a month to actually learn
He's obviously gonna get nerfed.
To answer his question if any other character has plus heavy normals. Akuma's stand fierce kick is +3. There may be more. I haven't played every character. I think he's really overreacting a bit. Both of Bison's plus normals also each have their downsides.
I get what you mean, but Akuma's heavy kick whiffs on crouchers at least.
@@SOSLO1324 what makes me absolutely mad is that i learned akumas bnb m.p >m.p> light tatsu> medium dp !!
and even if you hit m.p>m.p the light tatsu would whiff if the opponent got hit crouching
@@NeroDeamon why would you be mad about that? you have plenty of time to confirm into DP or heavy tatsu instead of light tatsu if they are crouching
@@gameclips5734 its muscle memory xD...im screaming in slow motion as my finger go towards light kick
@@NeroDeamon from playing ryu or something? i still do medium tatsu now and again since it used to work in SFV :/
Ewc final proved you were right akuma vs bison is a lost before the start
Speaking of privileged fierces - Jamie’s is pretty dope, 5 or 6 startup, blows up any DI, and the opponent doesn’t take his turn because of the animation 😂. I think it’s -1 on block.
Lets see how this ages!
They literally just nerfed Honda for being cheap and strong, why did they add a stronger and cheaper character?!
People don't want to pay for weak dlc characters
@@emsax they actually buffed Honda overall..
Honda is stronger than he used to be 😂 what are you on
Honda definitely has stronger options than bison what you on?
thing is it was a pretty balanced patch before MB came out. sigh
It’s funny because other pros have said Akuma vs Bison is an easy match up for Akuma 😂.
heavy and plus = akuma st hk +3, Jp st hk +2...
bros laughing at the absurdity of m. bison like how people laugh at elden ring bosses
no wake up = no chance
everyone has a wake up
No wake up suddenly doesn't seem so bad when your offense is literally the best in the game and incredibly mindless.
My guy pretending he’s looking at phone or eating but he’s doing a line on the table
Lol I’m jk
6:00 😂 🐦>🐦
So strong AB 😅
I main aki, Kimberly, and E.Honda
Bison always beats shotos. In my opinion, the ex psycho crusher is very cheap. It's safe and plus on burnout. That move is cheap
Manon’s back HP is plus
I despise Manon
Top 1. Angry bird not even using devils reverse and still winning
i can't punish this character it's impossible idk why but i just can't, too many saves moves, if u win against him that's mean ur opponent is dumb lol
go to training then and practice your punishes, that's on you
You just gotta lab
100 percent agree. The ease and lack of effort with which he wins is ridiculous . Devils reverse is basically free plus frames, you can barely DI it.
Even when I block his scissor kick at close range, Chuns 5LK into lighting legs whiffs.
@@gameclips5734 the amound of dumb comments here is insane yours takes the cake though lab what hes like super safe on almost everything 🤦♂
@@alexmaganda5827 if you really don't know what to lab then good luck getting good at SF6...
Terry cheap next
There is like half roster in top 5 characters since release let me name them (luke,ken, akuma,deejay chun-li,bison, blanka,cammy, juri,rashid,JP, ed and even kimberly,marisa and Guile at one point) oh shit how im i going to play this broken game ..
Bison is back to old school BS. Making him ultra powerful for no reason. Sometimes it feels like Capcom has a thing for certain characters and they just have to be STRONG, no consideration of balance at all. If they don't patch this character, I'm going to take a step back from the game.
I agree with everything AngryBird said. Why are these buttons plus? And if your going to do that, why allow it to affect drive gauge so much? Why make his inputs easier than ever? Ppl who use this character knowing the unfairness better be trying to make money, cuz this can't be for fun. That's a losers fun.
Yeah. I'm thinking the same thing. I think Bison will be more balanced out when Capcom sees a sales decline for bison. WHen will that be? I don't know..
Yall gotta feel the same for Akuma cause he is busted too...js
"LoW hEaLtH"@@darrylgreen5096
Top 5? The ability to two-touch without Marisa's inherent lack of mobility. All I'm seeing is Capcom blatantly bringing hype in time for EVO/CC, which they will promptly nerf afterward even if they don't want to, because the FGC will be unhappy at not being able to use the rest of the roster due to one stupidly OP character.
4:04 lol... full screen punish, and its on reaction not read. You can't even throw fireball against Dictator even in full screen.
That’s cause you have to throw it closer . Even if he reads a mid range fireball, his i frames for projectiles start late so it will hit . He’s guaranteed to punish the farther away he is
Air fireball fucks bison up badly
Psycho crusher shuts that shit down wdym
@@thestanman1486 charge
can birds stream together please
That would be so freaking hot and sexy i totally agree with you on that!!
Cammy cr.HP is +1 on block
it has no range though try again
@@alexmaganda5827but no 19 frame start up lol git GOOD!
@@Paris.Malaga 19 frame startup means shit if you aint dumb but ofc can't expect much from a baguette
@@alexmaganda5827 git gud platinium lol me and my baguette kick your asses in all SF games
@@alexmaganda5827lol calme toi petite fille. Google that
I love Angrybird, by my guy... This is not a 7-3 maychup lol. Akuma beats M.Bison for sure.
That offense... Absolutely nothing you can do about that. Bison is way too limited on defense.
Ryu HP is +2 super annoying if you think bison is annoying
Are you playing a different Ryu?
There's no doubt his offence is strong, Bird, but his defence is the worst in the game. He has nothing. His standing HP has a massive startup, so it can't be abused, really. Level 1 is 10 frame startup and can be jab blocked.
easy said then done! what’s your profile name so I can see your matches against Bison
@@purefire21he’s right, bison is a feast or famine character, and most of the time he’s feasting. But once you have him on the back foot he doesn’t have much to regain momentum. Having said that tho he’s still probably top 4-6
Hes a strong new character so everyone is crying
@purefire21
I'm playing Bison now. I'm struggling a bit. I'm not sure what your point is. In no way am I implying that I'm even close to the same level as Bird or other pros. You don't need to be great to still enjoy fighting games.
I'm 40 now, so I accept and understand my reactions are old food.
@@purefire21whats your rank?
With all my existence I curse the day I bought this game! God why am I so stupid
I agree with the Akuma Bison matchup it’s rough
Hey champ. 👋
He’s annoying to fight with Ed that’s for sure. But it’s mainly due to Ed’s lack of a reversal and sus anti airs
Change to Ryu then cause bad matchup big-time for Bison
Bison is just cheese and thats all there is too it
Don't nerf Bison Capcom, don't be like NRS