HEMA - How to Prepare an Attack
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If you want to improve by watching a video like this, I would advice you to focus on what is very well done and lesser on what bothers you.
In my opinion, regardless of rules, if this was a real exchange with live blades Frederico would have a sore head and maybe a cut. The other guy would have been cut in half.
100%. That's the difference between true HEMA, and sporterized HEMA...
He struck with the flat of the blade to the head, only to be completely and utterly slashed in a vital area. Is this truly good swordsmanship? I'd wager no, however it is no doubt good sport fencing.
What a preposterous thing to say
@@Calgaxhow so?
The quality of the head hit isn't great on the reply but it's kinda missing the point of the video and the setup to create that opening in the first place. Setting up patterns is something we play around with but more on the defensive, so it's nice to see it being used on the offensive.
@@SirKanti1yeah but it's still a fair critique of HEMA in general. Similar to shooting sports. IDPA stands for international defensive pistol association, but their "game" is just that. You can't take any of those skills to a real gunfight. I quit Olympic fencing in college shortly after realizing that at the top level, it's just a game. The tools of the game are irrelevant. A lot of people would appreciate a version of HEMA that wasn't completely divorced from real combat. First blood duels aren't even that old. There's video!
Great video, really appreciate the analysis in slow mo after showing the exchange at the start.
Thanks!
Nice analysis.
Lots of good stuff to think about-thanks for making this!
Excellent breakdown.
On the one hand, it's great how he tested you to find your reactions and then attacked you at your weak point, but on the other hand, his lunging/ jumping attack with the flat seems almost deliberate and it looks like he was relying on the blade flexing and wrapping around to hit you. Great mind game, atrocious execution.
Yes I tend to agree on this.
Yeah looks like a tippy tap from the flat on the head that would have done nothing with a stiffer sword
Thanks for this video Federico
You are welcome!
This mic camera set up looks amazing.
I greatly enjoy this kind of content, thank you Federico
You are welcome!
Great breakdown!
Thanks!
I like your video. Shows what people can learn from it, so people can get something for their own fencing. Also praises the opponent for what is done right without putting too much pressure on what is done not so well, while still pointing it out.
For what I can see:
Good strategy - attack the head all in, as nothing afterwards matters, and even a double to a lower target would be beneficial in specific current ruleset.
Good/Average tactics - scout your movement and exploit the perceived reaction. No continuation after the first hit, so if it wasn't counted, he has no solution.
OK technical execution - works arms/sword first, body and legs follow, closes in a lot so no sword defence, but not close enough to prevent the afterblow.
Mediocre mechanics - full body attack but initial hit is coming mostly from the arms, bad edge alignment as result of the grip choice.
It's a net positive for me. Reading the fencing exchange and adapting to the opponent can often be harder than mechanics and techniques themselves. So the opponent has focused on the hard to do part and just needs a bit more work on the easier part.
Well if the arms hadn’t gone first he couldn’t have hit me. Same if he charged the blow more after the beat.
I personally find his action very good, besides the flat hit.
And yes he is probably conditioning the action in this way at the club because flat hits-flicks tend to overcome the parry - thing which I don’t personally like - but it’s more a “moral standpoint” on my part, by a pragmatic POV in the tournament environment his action pays more.
@@FedericoMalagutti oh of course, I like arms first and I think the hit is solid enough even with the flat, let alone if it was edge on.
I didn't see it as "hit flick" btw. I think it reaches regardless and doesn't flex through your parry, though I won't vouch 100% for that. But as you I also don't like if someone uses that.
In context of the specific exchange and tournament, it was a well executed play. With room to grow.
Nice analysis!
What shoes are you wearing? I think this is the first time I see you using specific fencing shoes!
Great video as always!🙌
Federico, I've a question. In the tournaments I see that you use a federschwert. Can you use a 'normal' long sword as long as it is dull and has a tip like the federschwert?
As soon as it respects safety parameters yes.
This is called a tournament blunt. The Sigi King is an example of this (I do not have personal experience with the Sigi King, I just know it exists).
It depends a bit on the specific tournament but mostly yes, you can use "blunts" as long as they fit the safety standards of the event. Feders are also checked if they fit them as many may not. Safety parameters differ but usually have information about:
- lengths(overall and blade only);
- weight; point of balance;
- edge and tip being rounded and thick/wide enough;
- flexibility of the blade;
- hilt design and parameters (some allow additional rings on the side, some don't)
They counted Black's blow? Looks like a flat hit to me.
I thought tournaments generally didnt count hits with the flat. Why was this different?
They don't count. If you watch the video in its entirety I actually talk about it.
@@FedericoMalagutti I did watch the whole video but I must have missed it. Thanks for clarifying! I'm pretty new to HEMA and one thing my instructor has been trying to help me with is making sure I attack safely, so it was nice to see you talking a bit about that.
I would like to have your opinion about legs position in this video. Your rear leg (left) is "open", your knee looks to the outside. Your opponent's rear knee is more "closed", in a starting block position. Your stance looks more like traditional hema leg play, your opponent is more like kendo. His attack really looks like a kendo Men strike, very committed and almost jumped.
My question is: how do you analyse these differences between legs position and do you think the traditional hema leg play is the best option for tournaments?
It comes down to personal habits and morphology to a degree but: My stance is more balanced in going forward and backward. His stance is best at going forward explosively.
You should use the stance which better fits your fencing!
By the way if you look at a lot of sources, medieval in particular, you have a more front-facing stance, often with the back heel slightly raised. This makes for great "passata", explosive or sideways actions. But it's worse for small and quick position adjustments...
Funnily enough, Fiore's pictures show a stance more like the opponent's, but he then throws a schielhau. Federico's stance looks like something many Lichtenauer practitioners use and advocate for (additionally, there exists a short German treatise that shows off the exact stance but I can't recall the author), but he is primarily a Fiorist.
Flat hit...no quality :D
Probing your actions were as from manual.
high level probing
Promo'SM
A fantastic example of how the sport rules can distort the nature of a fight.
The winning blow was - it seems to me - deliberately delivered with the flat in order to bypass the parry, slapping thanks to the flex despite the blade being blocked at the medio. A trick that modern sport fencers know very well. At the same time, very little care has been given to avoiding the afterblow, because with that rule set that is obviously not a priority.
You, on the other hand, parried the first blow (I don't think it would have hit you if it were well aligned), and delivered a proper cut.
As far as I'm concerned, "HEMA" is a misnomer for this kind of tournaments: there's no "martial art" but sport, and there's very little of "historical" either. It's basically modern fencing with a different sword.
yeah I would agree. Even at speed, flat is often easy to detect. After knowing the grip its all body mechanics. It should be mostly on the person delivering the blow to call it flat (as a matter of honor). I have noticed that in competitive longsword, flat hits is not only common but prevalent and widely accepted. No other form in HEMA so widely disregards edge alignment. I really don't get it. When watching tournaments, there is very little that I recognize from any sources.
"Modern fencing with a different sword" is a very accurate description. And that's OK.. but call it something else.
in the same way, I dont have a specific problem with hand snipping, but the few times I fought with longsword (Its my least competent weapon), some people just whip the tip around for hand touches. TOUCHES. Are we playing rapier? Ok, take moments of opportunity, but building your whole style around it is just gaming the ruleset.
Not caring about edge alignment, or worse, actively choosing to ignore it in favor of a quick touch/slap victory, stops being in the spirt of fun and fair competition.
This looks silly, dude risked being disembowelled for a tap on the head. Point fighting is absurd imo.
That's why tournament rules don't suit HEMA and make it more like sport-fencing in this regard.
If we want to study the sources and learn how people were using/ought to be using swords, this is not helping.
Dude wtf are you even talking about? Are you telling that you would be unable to get some intel during real fight? If opponent rushes you then ofc, you will be left with your reactions. But if he will give at least some space then of course this is possible. Stop being delusional about how 'REAL HEMA FIGHT' would look alike according to your own out of ass imagination. Unless you had one, stop acting like some kind expert whose opinion matters.
Booo that lame one handed thrust
One handed thrusts are present in almost every single historical fencing system we have sources for. It’s there in Fiore, Ringeck, PPVD, Dobringer, Talhoffer, etc.
Yea they are present but also we can imagine how much of a risk it was too land those kind of strikes. I am not even talking about lacking in power when doing one handed strike like that but we can see that Federico totally loses control on the sword. If not for the gloves he would've probably drop the sword. just some keyboard expert talking :D (and a hema practitioner).
@@Bounty_Hunter0000 with the proper timing and distance, they’re really not all that risky. The point is to launch the attack while your opponent is in negative time, or mid tempo to use Italian terminology. You catch them in the middle of a retreating step, and deliver the thrust with an offline oblique step.
@@Bounty_Hunter0000 also, Federico never loses control of his sword here, are you hallucinating?
@@frankheninja1 I can tell you fence 😁