Timber floor joists on ground Screws, stable rebuild part 2
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I have been tasked with the job to rebuild a stable and store in a field, this is the second life for this timber building and I love the fact that timber is so good for repurposing and re-use, in this part I make my suspended timber floor using a double joist ring beam around the perimeter and then 170 x 47mm joists that are hung between using timber to timber connectors other wise known as jiffy hangers
The mud is drying up and we have had some nice days of weather so thats good too, thanks for watching!!
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One of the best joinery channels I've watched. Explains everything so you understand things properly. Work is always top notch too!
Wow, thanks!
Top job Robin. Such a good point about pulling and fixing hangers round already fixed joists. Proper job.😎
I knew you would be an advocate for that one!!
Some Wood chippings, or brushwood would help your movement around site and stop your boots feeling like ball and chain around your feet
I enjoyed my morning coffee with u and Merci. Thank u for giving us the Imperial measurements. My mind still doesn’t visualize the metric. I discern u know both. U must have been around at the time of the change. I saw u use that rubber like cover for the wood in one of your deck vids. I’m not sure if it was at the Clevett mansion or not. The one with the lovely indoor heated pool. Pretty soon when u have 100,000 subs, we won’t get the real Robin in the comment section. But we’re lovin it now. I hope u enjoyed your mornin swim. The RC is a smooth one, he is. I’m tryin to master the lingo😂😂
Hi Bill, I am having my morning coffee too as I type this!!! the deck is indeed at home where I live. if I am lucky enough to reach 100k subscribers I promise that I will do my best to answer as many comments as I get time for now!! have a great day mate
7,009mm and err.........7,009mm ! - love it ! Learning so much here, your narrative is so clear. 100k subs coming for sure.
Bloody love this channel.
Hi Robin, Always a pleasure to watch you work and pick up a few useful tips for an easy and accurate way around common problems. Mike
Many thanks!
I know Robin will know this but if your working on your own infilling joists you can screw some offcuts of batten on top of the joists either end before you set them in. Once in they rest there themselves, especially if the ring beam is in and out like a fiddlers elbow. Then you can go along and fix them all up.
bloke i used to work with always used to say fiddlers elbow.... mind it was not for twisted timber like
Or bend a nail over too..
You could tell the moment you passed your helper your estwing he was like "yes at last this is what I've been waiting for for the last 2 years a bash with Mr clevetts estwing!! His little face lit right up. 😁🛠️😁 Another cracking job can't wait to see finished product. What day are the clients moving in 👌👌
Woohoo!!!! Big Blue got out to play today! Nice work lads. Cost comparison was very interesting. First time i've seen them used. Thanks for sharing. Stay safe and keep up the good work.
only ever seen you using these ground screws. look like theyd be a class idea like
When you said the all in price on the screws on the last vid, I was sold. Saves all that ball ache too.
Yessss! Another Robin Clevett video to brighten up my day ;-)
How lucky for that farmer to find such a craftsman! BTW Nice mic - perfect audio for outside
Beautiful stuff as always Robin. Think your mate needs his own hammer. Looking forward to part 3.
Direct like from România 🙋♂️👍
Another Interesting Project Robin, learning loads as always. Keep up the good work✊🇬🇧👍
Very informative Robin Thank You ....The most interesting is the cost difference traditional concreate is 4 times the price of using ground screws and timber base ...Need to let that sink in 4 times the price.at 2 mins into your video ...Not sure how you worked that out but can see this (if it already has not done so) as a game changer for outbuildings of any sort. should be a "Win Win" for Carpenters no need for any other trades to be involved ie "Groundworks". I did watch a video round about Feb 2021 of a company in USA using "Ground Screws" for a very large Timber Frame house "so will we see you Robin in the very near future taking on this type of project. something I would like to be involved with or see. Interesting Robin late to the comment section been busy building 20 meter square Log Cabin. ...Interesting well done.
Nice easy little build this one and in a lovely spot too. You certainly have good connections in the well heeled market. I do a lot of work for big land owners in my area of Qld. Often thousands of acres as it is cattle country. They are asset rich and cash poor as the old saying goes and most as tight with their money as it is possible to be. Our biggest problem at the moment is getting timber. Waiting lists everywhere and little coming in. Your connector nail gun Paslode Australia tell me they have no intention of bringing them to Oz as they don't see a big enough market. So still have to drag out the hoses for the air versions.
meticulous as always cracking work
Great stuff. Thanks for sharing these. 👍 Be well! 🙂
Great video Robbin ,thanks !
Very thorough and top work Robin! Great progress!
Great job. Lovely day for it!
Ground screws look like a fantastic solution. Maybe I missed it but just wondering how is the ring beam fixed to the ground screws ?
Exactly what I’ve been thinking!
Did he mention brackets? Maybe it is fixed with angle brackets screwed to the timber and bolted to the ground screw?
Awesome. This will be an interesting build. Thank you for sharing
I’m a novice, but I learn so much from this channel
I have 40+ years in the industry and I still learn and take away something from every video
Nice to see the apprentice getting to use the nail gun and you even let him use your Estwing Robin ))
needs proper work trousers though. tracksuit always looks a bit cowboy on the job
Wheres his toolbelt though Robin. The only irritating thing this video.
I can see the anxiety in Robin's face when he's using the gun though! Like any good master though it's hard to detect.
A nailgun each but one hammer between them...
Hi Robin, how do you fix the frame to the screws please?
Hi Robin, Great Video as always and very informative.
It would be good if you could show the finished detail of the plastic plywood trim to the perimeter of the ring beams
Will do Brett have one coming
Great videos, always learn something mate thank you
You could sell ‘experience days’ - I’d love to spend a couple of days working along side you.
Now theres an Idea!!!
Sign me up!
Haha, maybe a mobile grandstand and you can 50 of us in....after lockdown of course! We can sit the other side of that fence 😀
Second dude needs his own hammer 😉
Only 3 rules, 1. Never touch another man's hammer! 2. Never touch another man's wife! 3. Rule one is more important than rule 2!
Amazing work as usual
Another top job! What a life saver the ppn is saves so much time and energy 👍🏻
Another cracking video Robin. Picture and sound quality are excellent. Content is great as usual. Any update on the concrete seat?
Excellent very descriptive and useful. How is the perimeter fixed to the ground screws?
I’m disappointed Rob you didn’t show us attaching the timber to the ground screws, maybe you could do a demonstration in the future.
Have one coming up!!
Your number plate is great 👌🏽👍🏽
It may be great but it’s illegal, doesn’t comply with DVLA rules, INF104 Vehicle Services, You cannnot rearrange or misrepresent the numbers and letters on a number plate to form names or words, so that they are hard to read. Yes Robins number plate is say to read but the spacing of letters and numbers don’t comply with current legislation. For all cars registered since September 1st, 2001, legal number plate spacing dictates the dimensions need to meet the following:
Character height: 79mm.
Character width: 50mm.
Character stroke: 14mm.
Space between each character: 11mm.
Space between the two groups: 33mm.
Space between vertical lines: 19mm.
@@stephenwatson1873 get a life mate
He’s winding you up. No one is that much of a dick.
@@SandyMiller737 Is it me that you are calling a dick
By the way I’m not a dick, I just don’t want Mr Clevett to receive a fine, or to have to have his van under go an M.O.T. To ensure his number plates are legal.
Hi Robin, love watching these videos. Currently researching for my own garden room. How have you fixed the double ring beams to each other? Have you just nailed them? I've seen coach bolts used elsewhere too?
It didn't look like the back length of the double outer joist was bearing on the screws very much. Would it not have been better for both the longitudinal joists to sit centrally on the screws rather than just the inner joist bearing most of the weight onto the screw? Never used these screw piles before so just my humble observations...
Just what I was thinking and how to you fix to the screws ?
Loving this
Wish we'd heard of and used ground screws for a (3*7) metre outbuilding
do you remember roughly what the alternative cost you? was it concrete?
4 x the cost! the future is screwed :0
Robin where’s my new square u promised would be ready😃
great number plate :)
I love it!
Lovely job, Robin.
Which do you prefer of the 1st fix nailers - red or green?
Great as always Robin, so a little rumour is you’re planning a lock and latch jig? When will this be ready and should I hold off buying the Souber DBB Morticer Jig
Hi Matt, I have a souber and its ok and does the job its just clumsy and you need a drill that spins at over 3000 rpm I have loads of drills mainly 18v and not one would do it!! I had o buy a corded percussion drill!! my jig in the later stages of it development!!
@@ukconstruction thank you, I’ve seen the video you put on. It does look cumbersome..... I’ll hold of a bit then for yours as my drill needs a transformer 👌🏻
Hi Robin, we've just installed a timber frame floor on ground screws and required upto 11mm of packers onto the screws to get dead level across 8m length. Bit disappointed as expected a much more accurate install. We were told this "tolerance" was ok but We note your frame sits directly on all the screws. Have I been fed baloney here?
This all depends on the installer I guess???? we do have to shim every now and then its also pretty normal
can skill builder no longer afford Robin's experience?
Great video Robin, loving the steel piles. How are you fixing the wooden frame to the bottom plates?
Galvanised steel brackets with M10 coach bolts and washers
If you get time on the next video can you show that detail..?
Very useful video Robin: thanks!
Please which type of Protect brand sheet did you use?
Protect 2000
what is that black plastic plywood product you use?
LEV3L
Silly question Robin but how did they all the post the same height ? Bloody long spirit level or a laser????
Rotary laser.
We use a laser level and also a long stick level in places
What's the distance from the ground to the top of the screw?
Nice one. For situations like this (and your own deck project) what timber class of timber treatment do you use? UC4?
Do you bother fixing the floor frame into the ground screws? Or just be happy with it sitting on them?
Yes I do fix up through the ground screw using coach screws
Hi boys
Just wondering if you nail the hangers in by hand , it would be great if we could use a nail gun , good idea with the flashing on the outer beam 👏🇮🇪🍀👍👋
You use either Sheradised or Galvanised Square Twist Nails on Joist Hangers (35mm to 40mm long) & would therefore need a special Positive Placement Nailer (e.g. Paslode, Dewalt etc.) to fire these type of nails and they don't come cheap (around the £500 mark). So unless your fixing joist hangers day in day out, it's not really for the DIY'ers or Weekend Warriors 😉 I stick to the Timco 37.5mm Galvanised Square Twist Nails & my trusty 16 Oz Estwing Smooth Faced Claw Hammer that's big enough to tack then nail them in without completely disintegrating thumbs & fingers 😂
@@rockymount2393 Was thinking the same myself , take it your coming from the State's , standard twist nail over here is 25 /30mm galvo nail ,job to give the apprentice 😄
@@johnmorrissey1675 Hi John, I'm not from the State's (live in Hampshire, England), but do love State's "West Coast" Framing 😀 Imported a Makita 5377MG Magnesium 7‑1/4‑Inch Hypoid Saw about 5 years ago (runs on a UK 240v to 110v Transformer) & it's a beast, ripping all day long with ease (far better than anaemic European Sidewinders or these new brushless "Rear Handled/Thin Kerf" Circular Saws). My crimbo pressie was "A Roof Cutter's Secrets by Will Holladay" , now that's framing on another level 😀
@@rockymount2393 sorry about that 😄🤦
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Hi Robin. Great video. What do you use to shim under the timber if the ground screws are not quite level?
Also could you show how you bracket the screws and timber together and the fixings used?
That would be really helpful!
I am in the process of making an 8m x 4 m garden room with canopy on top of screws and want to know the best way. Thanks again
How did you get on?
Recommend a PPN? They're wildly expensive for the use they get over a year, but I *HATE* twisties....
Hi Pete, why don't you see if you can rent one for your next job to give it a go?
Really enjoyable video as always, Robin. Have I missed something? Is the timber base (beams and joints) not fixed to the ground screws?
They are bolted with galvanised steel brackets
@@ukconstruction Thanks Robin. Must have missed that somehow. I'll watch it again. Keep up they great work. All the best.
did you fall out with at skill builder channel? I dont watch that channel either.
When you 3-4-5 it, where on the structure do you mark the 3 and 4 in in order to accurately set the 5? Thanks.Great videos.
Correct!
Anyone know where to get the "protect" stuff from?
What are the foundation screw posts called
Look brill
So, how is the frame fixed to the ground screws? or does it just float?
Bolted with angle brackets
Robin - what's your tool belt of choice?
What will stop all the grass and weed from growing under the floor ?
Rabbits 🐇
Darkness
Either lack of sunlight or a very short gardener?
Remember when you were sat in biology, and you asked "but when will I ever need to know what photosynthesis is?" Hahaha 😖
Once we have the plastic plywood skirt set round the base and these is no daylight then nothing will get in or grow!!
Screw foundations instead of concrere base......what about rats under the shed????
how do you connect top of screw to beam?
Hi Mike, we use an angle bracket and m12 coach bolts or we sometimes us a coach screw directly though the screw plate up into our new framework if there is space to get an impact wrench in place
@@ukconstruction thanks Robin, that was my guess, but I couldn't find a detail for it or any mention in your video. I'm doing a project with ground screws and haven't done this before.
Robin how do you work out what size timbers to use? Love the videos absolutely brilliant 👏
I know how to do it from when I was taught at college, if you google joist spans and NHBC there are some useful charts available to cross reference
A quick & approximate way to work out depth of Floor Joists for a given span is to just remember 20/20 (as in perfect vision). So for instance for a span of 3000mm, simply divide 3000mm by 20 then add 20mm (i.e. 3000/20 = 150mm ...... then add 20mm = 170mm. Nearest timber size would be a 7 x 2 joist (i.e. 175mm x 47mm) 😀 C16 Structural Timber should be fine in most cases and where strength is crucial (e.g. balconies), I'd go for C24 Timber. Hope that helps 😉
@@rockymount2393 Top of the class Rocky this is the method I use too as taught in college, except you explained it much better than I would have, top comment mate many thanks
If you do it in inches its half the span plus two, half of 10 feet is 5 plus 2 equals 7
@@andrewpalij4691 Hi Andrew, Thank you very much for the info 😀 Committed to memory 😄 It's "tips & tricks" like this that makes timber/lumber construction work that much easier 😃
Want part 3 for Easter
What length is the hammer?
450mm or 18inches its the big blue from estwing
Are you struggling with your back?
Who isn't?
Those screws are strange. Never seen it before. Since you did not pour a slab how will you keep the moisture from rotting this structure. What ?
as long as there is adequate ventilation then there will be no issues, most old properties in the uk have a suspended timber ground floor and these have stood the test of time, its all about ventilation
@@ukconstruction
What brand are those screws?
I bet you have your very own pile of specially selected un-damaged, un-split, non-warped, non-bowed timber at your suppliers...as they know it’ll be used on video, in front of a lot of people...if only we could get timber like that...lol...
Currently building a Garden Office for a neighbour & ordered timber/lumber for the build from a Farm Timber & Fencing Company (they also supply Motorway fencing). There was a 10 day lead time from the saw mill they use but it was well worth waiting for ..... perfectly straight C24 Structural Timber and amazing 4.8 Metre Battens, that you could actually pick up without them snapping in two 😂 ..... unlike the Blue Graded "Smurf" Wood Roofing Batten you get from Building Suppliers that have multiple knots and more twists than a candy bar 😄
Don't just accept what your given, take the time to choose your timber, if you are given crap, refuse to accept it upon delivery,
Don't worry about demanding good quality, your customers won't accept poor quality work, so don accept poor quality materials,
Yes, I agree...I’ve tried numerous suppliers and had timber from the mill, often too wet to be properly pressure treated, but looks great when it arrives on site...only to find when you come to use it, after it’s been stacked for a couple of days and had chance to dry out a bit more, it evolves curves resembling those of the Eiffel Tower...!! My original comment was because Robin never seems to have a moment...always busy, as a good Carpenter is, so must get his timber sorted for him...and I expect in doing so, no supplier is going to send ‘curly wurlies’ to site to ridiculed on a video series reaching 1000’s of people, a great deal of whom are in the trade...
Giv A job, I can do that 🤔 I wish 😏😂😂😂😂😂😂
Er, 7009 and 7009- bollocks.
You can’t build a stable on a timber floor that’s insane, I’m guessing it’s not used as a stable?? Horse piss rots wood in seconds!! Rubber matts always have joins in them. Horses hooves rip anything up that is put on the floor. It may just be strong enough but I have seen horse trailer floors rot and collapse before and they are usually phenolic resin plywood. Horses break everything and I’m sorry to be a dick but I would never ever build a stable with a timber floor!