When i saw Sw in 77 i thought George had made it just for me. The lived in look, the subtitles for aliens, space battles! all of it blew my 8 year old mind! No amount of Disney crap will change that. i will love the OT till i die. May the force be with you...
Kurtz "left" when he failed on Star Wars and Lucas had to take over his duties then Lucas made the huge mistake of bringing him back then had to outright fire him yet again when he failed there as well.
Exactly. Kurtz was fired for his mismanagement and going over budget during the filming of ESB. There were also creative differences, such as his disagreement with Vader being Luke's father or, like Kasdan, his belief that Luke should kill the Emperor and become the new Emperor of the Galaxy, which in my opinion would have been a terrible ending. In other words, thanks to Lucas we have two of the most legendary moments in cinema. It wasn't thanks to Kasdan, it wasn't thanks to Kurtz, nor to others (Marcia, Darabont, etc...) to whom many love to give credit in order to discredit Lucas.
Rob, I agree with everything you say. I was 5 in 1977 and saw SW first in Santa Fe, NM, followed quickly by another viewing back home at The Chinese. My brain was torched. My life changed forever. Then I stood in line on opening day at The Egyptian for three hours for Empire. I was 8. Leaving the theater, my friends and I were blown out of our shoes. Was it better than STAR WARS?!?! Impossible! Age 11 for Jedi. Back at The Chinese. It was a spectacle, but I felt right away something was off. Walking out of the theater, my mood was happy, but nothing, NOTHING compared to the other two movies. Han did not act like Han. Where was the clever dialogue of SW and Empire? The Ewoks were a major misfire. Boba Fett’s demise? Ugh. I was a huge SW toy collector then (thank you mom and dad). I remember being age 12 and 13, and that last Christmas getting action figures, and I got a bunch of Ewoks. And the more I thought about it, the less cool I felt being a fan of STAR WARS. Up through STAR WARS and EMPIRE I was the proudest of the proud SW fan. Jedi broke the magic. The last several years I’ve taken my two young sons to The Hollywood Bowl for the 40th anniversary screening of STAR WARS, EMPIRE, and JEDI, backed by the L. A. Philharmonic. Incredible!!! At least the first two films were. Jedi certainly has its moments (particularly the throne room scenes), but way too many times the audience was actually laughing AT the move (rather than with it). This never happened during the screenings of the other two. With Disney now in charge, them ever getting it right is an impossibility. Hell, Lucas only managed to do it twice.
Bang on with all your praise & pessimism. I too at a similar age went through a similar journey into a larger world without the ability to pinpoint the issues.
Same here. I was 9 when ROTJ came out in theaters and I LOVED it. However, it didn’t age well. I still enjoy parts of it, but it’s not the masterpiece that ESB is.
I don't think so. It's an enjoyable movie with a TERRIFIC 3rd act, but the 1st act is ok (up to the explosion of Jeddah). The octopus thing is straight up silly and the pacing is a bit weird. The 2nd act (the planning and execution of saving Galen Erso) is very predictable and the acting isn't great. Then you have the 3rd act which is amazing. The characters are never as likeable as Luke, Han, Leia, the droids, Chewie, and Lando... Not to mention characters like Ellen Ripley from Alien, Chuck from castaway, or Mr Smith from Mr Smith goes to Washington (1939)
The end battle felt like what modern Star Wars could and should be. It was tactical and exciting with a lot of tension. I don’t feel the rest of the movie story or the protagonists were up to that same level though. Would have made a great short film purely about the battle to steal the plans.
I agree 100% I’ve been saying for years that Star Wars was not made for kids! There was a massacre and Darth Vader breaks a man’s neck in the opening scene!
I saw all three movies in theaters. I was 11 when Jedi was released. And I can tell you I was blown away. Jabba The Hutt was awesome. The battle to rescue Han Solo was awesome. That whole sequence is incredible. You can’t say it’s not a good movie. You just can’t.just because it’s not as good as the first two does not mean it’s not good. That’s faulty logic.
I was 12 and as much as I loved that movie "back then" I still thought that Luke and Leia becoming siblings was totally fucked up! To this day, Jedi is the only Star Wars movie I once liked, but now do not.
Born in '67, saw the originals and built a replica R2-D2 . To say Jedi is not a good movie is ridiculous. Han's rescue was thrilling and showed Luke's growth. (Much needed after ESB.) The fight between Luke and Vader is (for me) the best fight in the franchise. It has weight and the music seals the deal. I still get goose bumps. I would say Jedi is 4/7s of a great movie and my personal favorite.
@kenward1310 There's no way turning Leia into an incestuous tease and having warrior teddy bears defeat the Empire is "objectively" better than anything!
@@lookingforwookiecopilot the Ewoks represented the guerilla army of Vietnam that was able to beat back the US Empire and effectively defeat us in that war with jungle tactics.
You've got to give Revenge of the Sith credit, the movie has a mature tone and story to it honestly it's the most emotionally affective installment in the franchise in my opinion.
Angry Badger lost ALL of my good will in that podcast. He and DA had arguments that were repulsive to me. They WEREN’T there. They missed out. They defend lesser entertainment in order to shape it into their own image. They have also glommed upon revisionist history unfortunately spread by Lucas himself. SW WASN’T for kids, until ROTJ, easily the worst of the og trilogy. I remember reading such comments at the time, and as a 15 year was offended. AB was disrespectful and infantile in his stand and argument. You did well not to tear him a new asshole. God bless Rob, love you!!❤
What I love about ROTJ is the beginning in rescuing Han and the Emperor’s throne room finale. My major gripes is the waste of Boba Fett, the unnecessary Leia Skywalker plot twist and another rehash in the second Death Star.
Ive been trying nail down the nature of our current political climate, and one thing that entered my mind recently was commitment. Make all the promises you want, all the ideological callouts, none of it means anything unless you make it materialize. In government, things take time, the cycle of change does not come in increments of 4 or 8 years. You want to make a real idealogical push? it has to be grounded in truth, meaning, that the winds change bring them about, not ego or humanistic eccentricities. To be the political party that signals change has to be the party that sees through the distractions and commits to the longhaul. Where do the winds of change point? Those committed to the correct direction should prevail.
I don’t disagree-but I still love “Jedi”. I can only dream about what “Revenge of the Jedi” could have been if Kurtz, Marcia Lucas had been involved-and if George didn’t get burned out and have his heart broken…
So instead of Luke throwing down his lightsaber and saying his iconic line "I am a Jedi, like my father before me", we'd have Luke killing the Emperor and becoming the new Emperor of the Galaxy as Kasdan and Kurtz preferred. Which, from my point of view, is an ending more suited to a B-movie than Star Wars.
It’s the 3rd best Star Wars film. If someone could have had a few passes at George’s script and made the dialogue better and made anakin’s turn a bit more nuanced it would be a masterpiece
I agreed with RMB on the Film Threat Versus podcast. There were two great SW movies now lets make a new franchise and move on. Disney has been pissing on the SW corpse for too long now
ANH is Great. TESB is Great. ROTJ is not great, but still Good. I'm 52 which means I was 5 when ANH came out, 8 when TESB came out, and 11 when ROTJ came out. I would submit to you my opinion is because I was the actual age group Lucas was targeting.
The only real problem with Jedi is the ewoks. If u change the ewoks into wookies (or any type of more formidable forest freedom fighter creature) then it’s another 10/10. Even with the ewoks it’s a 8 or a 9.
Your title alone got my Like. But I agree with you right down the line. Vader was not Luke's father in the beginning, and Leia most certainly was not Luke's sister. RotJ forced a retcon of how I was to see the first two films, and that retcon never worked for me. For better or worse, RotJ set the path for everything that followed, and more or less established the "Skywalker saga" as most fans see it today. In my opinion, it was not for the better.
Empire may have been the best movie but Jedi is still my favourite despite the stupid Ewoks, because the Luke/Vader scenes were my favourite of the whole trilogy. For me, it sticks the landing.
Step outside of the SW fandom and everything Rob says here is conventional wisdom. Fans may love ROTJ or ROTS with a passion, but that love is never going to be reflected back by the wider culture.
Totally agree with Rob. Waited in line (yes, waited in a line) for 2 hours with a couple of friends in Westwood for ROTJ. All three of us came out of the theater and said, wtf was that. What a disappointment! Han Solo was so “wimpy”. What happened to the Han from the first 2 movies? The Ewoks (teddy bears) defeating the Stormtroopers with sticks and rocks. Ridiculous! The scene at the Sarlac pit was stupid as well. Lightsaber doesn’t cut anything? Boba gets pushed into the pit by a semi conscious Han Solo? Come on! Even the scenes at Jabba’s palace were cringy. There were a few good scenes, but not enough to match the first 2 movies. I will always watched the first 2 when I run across them on TV. Not so much ROTJ. Should have let the same team that did Empire do ROTJ. Biggest let down of my movie going life. Me and my friends still talk about how disappointed we were.
George Lucas didnt hate Empire, he hated the fact the producrion cost so much $. Kurtz didnt know Lucas was spearheading digital tech & how it would advance.
I was born in 89 and I'm just old enough to remember life before the prequels. I remember asking my dad " why is it called episode IV?". As a kid and still to this day episode vi is my favourite Star Wars movie. Rob I appreciate and can see your point of view about episode vi. I love how you can articulate your opinion, I always understand where you are coming from.
I was 11, horrified by the trailers "this is a maximum security prison and you have no weapons of any kind?" - I was thinking this is the bait and switch, those flames in the trailer are because Ripley cobbled together some jerry-rigged flamethrower, and that one alien was going to be a juvenile Queen. The atmosphere was good. Ripley was great. And everything else was just uninspired, insipid, trash. After Alien and Aliens how could things come to this? Decades later I scribed my own gritty scifi thriller to compensate for that trauma! Ugh. No weapons of any kind... 🤮
Great talk Rob! I kinda see it a bit like this… when I saw Yoda as a kid in Empire, I believed he was a real living creature. When I saw the Ewoks a few years later, I thought they were kids in teddy bear suits (which they were). Suddenly Star Wars was no longer a real escapist fantasy world, and there were so many silly moments in the movie that it made the throne room scene feel out of place.
It's taken me 25 years to realize the same thing about some of my favorite bands/musical artists. Eventually these bands let you down & leave you feeling disappointed. Part of it was the state of denial I was in, but eventually I realized bands/songwriters ultimately lose their creative mojo
you’re not wrong RMB. I remember feeling this even after the first time seeing ROTJ. I think a lot of people forgot how bad ROTJ is because of how worse the prequels were and how much much worse Disney Star Wars has been.
1:16:40 - Really, Mr Burnett, you must learn to govern your passions. They will be your undoing. Logic suggests… There were many things that I agreed with you in this episode. Your euphemism is not one of them. It is corrupt at its base and it is endemic of the core problem with much of the media we are forced to suffer through today. It is the wailings of a 14 year old film student masterbating in the corner.
Their is a lot of commonality between SW and the MCU. Endgame just like RotJ barely made it across the finish line. The high point in both arcs was the failure in the second act. In isolation RotJ is still a good movie but a disappointment in the wider context of what could have been.
Hey Rob, Longtime Listener and fellow film school Trojan: Just realized that we're about the same age since i saw SW when i was 11! Did we know each other in film school? I started in the Fall 1986 and some of my "famous" friends were Matt Reeves and John Ottman... Keep the great content coming, Aaron Yamamoto, BA/MFA USC Film Production Program.
Robert before May of 1983 I read the Marvel adaptation of Return of the Jedi and then the novelization by James Kahn. No choice in the film threw me off. After it was done my friends and I moved from the balcony . I hit the washroom and went right to the msin floor seating to watch again. Even at 15 I liked it. The Mandalorian was about at RotJ level. Maybe Rogue One. But the prequels or sequels were not even as good as Retutn of the Jedi. It may be the lesser of the Holy Trilogy but as Siskel and Ebert said it was in good company.
The early scripts of ANH and ESB also conclusively prove that Vader was not Luke’s father and Leia was never his sister. Fans our age can’t help but wonder what might have been, especially watching the first Star Wars when the future was wide open. The greatest let down I think was Lucas abandoning the plans for the 12 episode saga he briefly thought about in early 1978. The timeline would have worked perfectly, especially with one whole trilogy dedicated solely to the Clone Wars. Instead when he made Vader Luke’s father he watered down the scale of the story and compressed the timeline unnecessarily. Not to mention retconning Obi-Wan into a liar and having to write that pathetic line in ROTJ about truth being a certain point of view.
Revenge of the Sith is a Great Film Categorically. So I can name at least 3 great Star Wars movies personally. And I love them all. Phantom Menace hit different in theaters 20 years after initial release this year. What a Sad sad topic to make a Video on...
Return of the Jedi was my favorite as a kid, probably because it was the big triumphant ending, but as an adult it ranks far below Ep. 4 & 5. There are some great scenes, especially in the final act, but most of it lacks the creative spark that resonated so strongly in the first two films.
I can get behind anyone embracing what they like, but Attack of the Clones was never “great”, not on opening night and not now. Time has not magically made it a better movie.
25:00 Yes! I've been saying this for years, even as a kid! Also, if Luke and Leia were siblings, Ben would not have said "that boy is our only hope." He would have known Leia was a viable alternative. Yoda was not talking about Leia. I heard once that the Jedi Father reveal was not George's idea. If true, I would say that is why George made Luke and Leia siblings. He was trying to one up someone else's idea.
I knew casablanca was a classic but i had not seen it. When i did, i was shocked how funny it is in places an that film fans were not over selling it. Classic.
Agree that Jedi is a really dissatisfying finale but have to push back on some other stuff… 1. The love triangle theory for why Anakin turned has no substance to it… If it had been the initial plan, there would’ve been seeds laid in ep1, but Kenobi and Padme barely speak to each other - in fact, OB1 is left on the ship so we can spend time with Ani and Padme. Also, Lucas went against the advice of people like Coppola by making Anakin so young because he knew the audience needed to empathise with him being separated from his mother because that was going to drive him going forwards - his downfall was always set to be about control and loss. 2. There’s way more sexuality in Star Wars than LOTR - those movies (and the books more so) are completely sexless. Even in Jedi there’s Jabbas dancing slave girls and Han getting jealous of Luke - the characters in SW are driven by what’s in their pants a lot more than the characters in LOTR
regarding bootleg at 24:06. We had a bootleg transfer copy of Star Wars on Sony Betamax prior to Empire coming out. My dad owned a hi-fi shop and was a Sony dealer. We had several film transfers on Beta actually like Where Eagles Dare, A Bridge Too Far and some Italian WW2 movie involving a train heist. My dad to this day wont reveal his source for those. Possibly forgotten by this point. I do still have the tape but no method to play it currently. Not sure if it was a transfer of THE STAR WARS from 77 or the 79 A NEW HOPE re-release. But that part of your tale, is totally real. I watched Star Wars at home hundreds of times before they ever came to VHS. Hit me up if you ever want to roll on these topics.
You couldn’t win his argument based on opinion so you had to keep it going when no one could argue back, All people have different expectations for Star Wars films based on their own tastes, their age when viewed, and which characters they enjoy and love to see. Whether the screenplay is perfect or every plot point makes sense or not (even the first movie has details that do not make sense if examined too closely) . Giving up logic is nearly unavoidable in fantasy fiction. Of course the first two are the best.
The original Revenge of the Jedi treatment is out there for the public. If someone were to do a high class animated feature of that story Star Wars could be very successful again.
You can't do a Disney friendly mob story Guy: No one respects you Boba Fett: ... Guy: No one respects you Scarface: SAY HELLO TO MY LITTLE FRIEND!!!! (BOOOOOOM)
Vader: Luke, the Emperor has forseen this. Obi-Wan never told you who killed your father. Luke: Yeah. He said you did. Vader: No. Obi-Wan killed your father.
Nah, I gotta disagree. For me, A New Hope, Revenge of the Sith and Return of the Jedi are all pretty great. Phantom Menace, while quite flawed, really shines every time I watch it. The Clone Wars mini-series from 2003 is legendary as well. I like it more than almost every film in the SW canon except my top 3.
@@schmiggidyok maybe Phantom Menaxe and Attack of the Clones are questionable. But even those I enjoy enough to call good. Personally I think the Disney stuff is leagues above the prequel trilogy. I think I care more about the design of characters and ships more than if every little plot point makes sense. If you examine any Star Wars movie every detail doesn’t make sense. For instance in a universe of Space Travel why can’t R2/D2 speak English. It makes absolutely no sense that he cant speak English. Zero. But it’s fun to hear him squeak, so you forgive that lapse in logic. And most flaws of the newer films are excuse for same reason. The only flaws that aren’t forgivable are boring plots and boring characters like episode 1 and 2 have. I’ve had fun at all the movies. In my opinion if they are fun and enjoyable they qualify as good. There is so much more to a film than story and plot. There is sound design, cinematography, acting, stuntwork, suspense. these are things the haters never like to acknowledge. They get hung up on their own expectations of where they want the story to go. They also all seem to have the same few complaints as if they listen to RUclips videos to steal their opinions from someone else. It is hive mind hate that I fully reject. Story and screenplay are simply a blueprint.
@@mrfloosak ??? You must be trolling. While I appreciate your reply, I simply cannot engage in serious conversation with anyone who views the Disney films in a positive light. I could dive into all the reasons why, but they are painfully obvious by now to even the most casual moviegoer.
@ Sorry but you are in the minority. Rise of Skywalker has an 86 audience score on Rotten Tomatoes. You are just emotional about your own expectations and tastes. Most that don’t view as part of their identity politics war or their expanded universe expectations of how Luke and Han should be 40 years later loved or at least thouroughly enjoyed the films.
i have a fuzzy memory of the gun that pops out of the underside of the Millennium Falcon when stormtroopers first attack the ship in 'A New Hope' (hence the explosion in Mos Eisley space port). Is it a false memory borrowed from Empire?
You just pointed out in this stream my biggest problem with fandom in general Rob !. When you say "It's monstrously not good" or just "It's Not Good" you by DEFINITION have set a PRECEDENT within the community, basically telling them that your standard should be EVERYONE'S and it IMO opinion INDOCTERNATES the other fans with this notion: "MY POV IS LAW and if you are not feeling the same your opinion is IRRELEVANT and you have NO PLACE in any fandom". Because using this proxy by definition is saying that some fans are above others. As much as i don't like John Campea i do agree with him on one thing: IT'S ALL SUBJECTIVE !!. So when you say "It's monstrously not good" ??. NO, YOU THINK it's not good !!. There's a difference. For example, i don't like Star Trek the Original Series because i think it's boring, emotionless and it paints a picture to the fans with the narrative that if you are not a PERFECTIONIST ELITIST EXPERT you have no place in society and you don't belong anywhere. It's pounding itself on the chest saying "Only the BEST OF THE BEST can succeed at anything in life" which i find very insulting. BUT i do love The Next Generation AND the new stuff as well, like Discovery or Picard. I also hate Andor. It fucks !?. Fucks what !?. There are literally no alien species in that show !!. It's so incredibly....................i don't want to get nasty or political. And WHAT EXACTLY does that make Star Wars !?. All the well known characters that are in there that we all love !?. Or is giving Saw Gerrera a CAMEO meant as a joke !?. Am i wrong for loving things that you clearly hate or is the fanbase finally going to accept other points of view and create unity once again !?. There is a reason why i am no longer a part of the Star Wars fandom but i might elaborate on that in a future member chat. Lastly: do you really think it's fair to say that just because you are older than me, you somehow get the IP better than other devoted fans like me !?
@@schlock159 The only issue I've ever had with Rob is that he sees things from a geek consensus and if you look outside of web forums it's not so obvious what people like or dislike about movies. It shouldn't mean that if I think a particular movie is good that my opinion is wrong because geek consensus is that it's bad.
Rob's on fire throughout this video! 😂 For what it's worth I think the rescue of Han is good and the throne room is epic but I'd agree a 2nd death star and ewoks are a bit naff.
Well film criticism is ultimately subjective. But what we try to do is develop rules that we could then apply to movies and then say whether we would like them or not If we looked at them without prejudice - positive or negative. You can't say a James Bond movie is good or at James Bond movie is bad literally. You have to say that James Bond movie shares features of things that you generally like if you are not biased in one way or another.
Baron & Rude’s Nexus and Jim Starlin’s Dreadstar were definite adult steps forward for science fiction/fantasy in comics, that I certainly think went in some more daring areas than Star Wars.
Born in 74, Return of the Jedi, there was no movie I was anticipating more ! Sadly you’re correct, it was a let down ! I remember just being so disappointed AT 9 turning 10 ! I love The franchise, but that was a serious letdown!
I got to see all 3 originals in 70mm, that was awesome. I love Star Wars, the original trilogy. Yes, I know they are not perfect, but no movie is, look at the garbage coming out today.
First 2 are universal and much copied masterpieces. Fans love later stuff like Sith & Rogue One because they’re filled with SO MUCH STAR WARS. New Hope gets down-voted for not having enough - some fans say it was just a good start. Nope. It’s still strides above everything else apart from Empire
There are many reasons ROTJ was a massive disappointment, the biggest of which was a been-there-done-that sense of rehash. Jabba’s den was just Mos Eisley. Boba Fett’s death was dumb. The Ewoks were even dumber. The stop motion animation was awful and to end the trilogy by blowing up yet another Death Star was unimaginative retread. Great that Jedi has grown in stature thanks to the prequels, but those of us who waited in line all day to see Jedi on opening night were unimpressed.
I hate Michael Myers and Laurie Strode being siblings as much as you hate Luke and Leia being brother and sister. That one retcon in Halloween II doomed the franchise for 40 years.
When i saw Sw in 77 i thought George had made it just for me. The lived in look, the subtitles for aliens, space battles! all of it blew my 8 year old mind! No amount of Disney crap will change that. i will love the OT till i die. May the force be with you...
YES! Finally, someone with a profile, and reach within the fandom is saying this! Thank you, Rob. Star Wars died when Kurtz left.
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Kurtz "left" when he failed on Star Wars and Lucas had to take over his duties then Lucas made the huge mistake of bringing him back then had to outright fire him yet again when he failed there as well.
Exactly. Kurtz was fired for his mismanagement and going over budget during the filming of ESB. There were also creative differences, such as his disagreement with Vader being Luke's father or, like Kasdan, his belief that Luke should kill the Emperor and become the new Emperor of the Galaxy, which in my opinion would have been a terrible ending. In other words, thanks to Lucas we have two of the most legendary moments in cinema. It wasn't thanks to Kasdan, it wasn't thanks to Kurtz, nor to others (Marcia, Darabont, etc...) to whom many love to give credit in order to discredit Lucas.
Empire Strikes Back will ALWAYS be the greatest Star Wars film to me.
Same 💯
Rob, I agree with everything you say.
I was 5 in 1977 and saw SW first in Santa Fe, NM, followed quickly by another viewing back home at The Chinese.
My brain was torched. My life changed forever.
Then I stood in line on opening day at The Egyptian for three hours for Empire. I was 8.
Leaving the theater, my friends and I were blown out of our shoes. Was it better than STAR WARS?!?! Impossible!
Age 11 for Jedi. Back at The Chinese. It was a spectacle, but I felt right away something was off.
Walking out of the theater, my mood was happy, but nothing, NOTHING compared to the other two movies.
Han did not act like Han. Where was the clever dialogue of SW and Empire? The Ewoks were a major misfire. Boba Fett’s demise? Ugh.
I was a huge SW toy collector then (thank you mom and dad). I remember being age 12 and 13, and that last Christmas getting action figures, and I got a bunch of Ewoks.
And the more I thought about it, the less cool I felt being a fan of STAR WARS.
Up through STAR WARS and EMPIRE I was the proudest of the proud SW fan.
Jedi broke the magic.
The last several years I’ve taken my two young sons to The Hollywood Bowl for the 40th anniversary screening of STAR WARS, EMPIRE, and JEDI, backed by the L. A. Philharmonic.
Incredible!!!
At least the first two films were.
Jedi certainly has its moments (particularly the throne room scenes), but way too many times the audience was actually laughing AT the move (rather than with it).
This never happened during the screenings of the other two.
With Disney now in charge, them ever getting it right is an impossibility.
Hell, Lucas only managed to do it twice.
Bang on with all your praise & pessimism. I too at a similar age went through a similar journey into a larger world without the ability to pinpoint the issues.
I was 8yrs old when I saw ROTJ. I was blown away but as I got older and revisited the whole trilogy, it became clear to me ROTJ was the weak link.
Same here. I was 9 when ROTJ came out in theaters and I LOVED it. However, it didn’t age well. I still enjoy parts of it, but it’s not the masterpiece that ESB is.
ROTJ is half of a great movie. It falls down with the Ewoks but the final confrontation between Luke and Vader is still great.
Empire is something totally different was when it came out and still is now... Only few films have done that it's absolutely Genius
Rogue One will forever be great to me. Fantastic even.
I don't think so. It's an enjoyable movie with a TERRIFIC 3rd act, but the 1st act is ok (up to the explosion of Jeddah). The octopus thing is straight up silly and the pacing is a bit weird. The 2nd act (the planning and execution of saving Galen Erso) is very predictable and the acting isn't great. Then you have the 3rd act which is amazing.
The characters are never as likeable as Luke, Han, Leia, the droids, Chewie, and Lando... Not to mention characters like Ellen Ripley from Alien, Chuck from castaway, or Mr Smith from Mr Smith goes to Washington (1939)
i love rogue one. i wish we could have seen the more saving private ryan style film Gareth made vs what... whats his name did with his reshoots.
The end battle felt like what modern Star Wars could and should be. It was tactical and exciting with a lot of tension. I don’t feel the rest of the movie story or the protagonists were up to that same level though. Would have made a great short film purely about the battle to steal the plans.
oh mate i thought it was boring as fook. hated the characters. it felt like knock off star wars. did not enhance the OT in any way.
Jedi has problems. It is still a masterpiece compared to everything we got later.
Revenge of the Sith is on par with Jedi imo
ESB has its problems as well but people don't like admitting it has problems. 👍
@@pferreira1983Wrong. But the achievements of the film outweigh the problems it has.
TFA, TLJ, and Solo totally blow both Jedi and ROTS out of the water!
@@lookingforwookiecopilot 🤣🤣you're funny
I agree 100% I’ve been saying for years that Star Wars was not made for kids! There was a massacre and Darth Vader breaks a man’s neck in the opening scene!
please come back to John's show! I miss your thoughts.
I saw all three movies in theaters. I was 11 when Jedi was released. And I can tell you I was blown away. Jabba The Hutt was awesome. The battle to rescue Han Solo was awesome. That whole sequence is incredible. You can’t say it’s not a good movie. You just can’t.just because it’s not as good as the first two does not mean it’s not good. That’s faulty logic.
I was 12 and as much as I loved that movie "back then" I still thought that Luke and Leia becoming siblings was totally fucked up! To this day, Jedi is the only Star Wars movie I once liked, but now do not.
Born in '67, saw the originals and built a replica R2-D2 . To say Jedi is not a good movie is ridiculous. Han's rescue was thrilling and showed Luke's growth. (Much needed after ESB.) The fight between Luke and Vader is (for me) the best fight in the franchise. It has weight and the music seals the deal. I still get goose bumps. I would say Jedi is 4/7s of a great movie and my personal favorite.
It's objectively better than the Prequels, and Sequels, and yet still not a good movie.
@kenward1310 There's no way turning Leia into an incestuous tease and having warrior teddy bears defeat the Empire is "objectively" better than anything!
@@lookingforwookiecopilot the Ewoks represented the guerilla army of Vietnam that was able to beat back the US Empire and effectively defeat us in that war with jungle tactics.
Thank heavens for Harmy's Star Wars Despecialised Editions keeping the original vision alive.
Yes..Star Wars…to which is the actual name of the first film, and its sequel The Empire Strikes Back! Period
My two GREAT Star Wars movies are The Empire Strikes Back and Revenge of the Sith
You've got to give Revenge of the Sith credit, the movie has a mature tone and story to it honestly it's the most emotionally affective installment in the franchise in my opinion.
I think the concepts were there, but the execution neutered any potential it had.
I agree with New Hope and Empire being the only two legit great movies in the franchise but I think Return and Revenge are good movies.
Angry Badger lost ALL of my good will in that podcast. He and DA had arguments that were repulsive to me. They WEREN’T there. They missed out. They defend lesser entertainment in order to shape it into their own image. They have also glommed upon revisionist history unfortunately spread by Lucas himself.
SW WASN’T for kids, until ROTJ, easily the worst of the og trilogy. I remember reading such comments at the time, and as a 15 year was offended.
AB was disrespectful and infantile in his stand and argument. You did well not to tear him a new asshole.
God bless Rob, love you!!❤
What I love about ROTJ is the beginning in rescuing Han and the Emperor’s throne room finale.
My major gripes is the waste of Boba Fett, the unnecessary Leia Skywalker plot twist and another rehash in the second Death Star.
Ive been trying nail down the nature of our current political climate, and one thing that entered my mind recently was commitment. Make all the promises you want, all the ideological callouts, none of it means anything unless you make it materialize. In government, things take time, the cycle of change does not come in increments of 4 or 8 years. You want to make a real idealogical push? it has to be grounded in truth, meaning, that the winds change bring them about, not ego or humanistic eccentricities. To be the political party that signals change has to be the party that sees through the distractions and commits to the longhaul. Where do the winds of change point? Those committed to the correct direction should prevail.
@@Lamposts there is no political party of change. Politicians of both parties are paid by corporations to keep the status quo.
Absolutely 💯 💯 💯
I don’t disagree-but I still love “Jedi”. I can only dream about what “Revenge of the Jedi” could have been if Kurtz, Marcia Lucas had been involved-and if George didn’t get burned out and have his heart broken…
Marcia was one of the editors on Jedi.
So instead of Luke throwing down his lightsaber and saying his iconic line "I am a Jedi, like my father before me", we'd have Luke killing the Emperor and becoming the new Emperor of the Galaxy as Kasdan and Kurtz preferred. Which, from my point of view, is an ending more suited to a B-movie than Star Wars.
I 100% agree with you Rob. Lucas getting divorced and adopting kids I think contributed to him changing Star Wars.
Revenge of the Sith (for all its obvious flaws) is pretty adult in its tone.
It's the best film in the series in my opinion.
It’s the 3rd best Star Wars film. If someone could have had a few passes at George’s script and made the dialogue better and made anakin’s turn a bit more nuanced it would be a masterpiece
Great ideas for the story, poorly executed to make it laughable rather than resonant.
I agreed with RMB on the Film Threat Versus podcast. There were two great SW movies now lets make a new franchise and move on. Disney has been pissing on the SW corpse for too long now
My gratitude, RMB, for articulating the metamorphosis of the whole Star Wars endeavour/project from _cinematic art_ to toyetic cash machine .
There are only two good Alien movies
Yeah AVP and AVP2. 😂
@@Morildrane there is only one Alien.
Can't say I agree. Alien and Aliens are on top of course but Romulus was really good and Prometheus and Covenant were two that I really enjoyed.
well i do like AvP, though.
And 2 Terminator Movies
ANH is Great. TESB is Great. ROTJ is not great, but still Good. I'm 52 which means I was 5 when ANH came out, 8 when TESB came out, and 11 when ROTJ came out. I would submit to you my opinion is because I was the actual age group Lucas was targeting.
I stand with RMB!!
Compared to most films now, and especially Star Wars content, Jedi is a masterpiece of film making
The only real problem with Jedi is the ewoks. If u change the ewoks into wookies (or any type of more formidable forest freedom fighter creature) then it’s another 10/10. Even with the ewoks it’s a 8 or a 9.
A wookie is just as childish as an ewok
Great show RMB !!!!! Everything you said is what I've felt and believed word for word! EVERYTHING !!!!!
Jedi is my favorite, Ian McDiarmid as Palpatine in the throne room scene..... "So be it, Jedi" .... chef's kiss.
Your title alone got my Like. But I agree with you right down the line. Vader was not Luke's father in the beginning, and Leia most certainly was not Luke's sister. RotJ forced a retcon of how I was to see the first two films, and that retcon never worked for me. For better or worse, RotJ set the path for everything that followed, and more or less established the "Skywalker saga" as most fans see it today. In my opinion, it was not for the better.
Empire may have been the best movie but Jedi is still my favourite despite the stupid Ewoks, because the Luke/Vader scenes were my favourite of the whole trilogy. For me, it sticks the landing.
The Ewoks were very helpful to the story.
@pferreira1983 The tone of the Ewoks didn't match the rest of the movie. The Ewoks gave off children's cartoon vibes.
I prefer to remember the Ewoks as ferocious predators ... that were convinced into becoming ferocious warriors.
This is what childhood trauma looks like later in life when you can't get over it.
Step outside of the SW fandom and everything Rob says here is conventional wisdom. Fans may love ROTJ or ROTS with a passion, but that love is never going to be reflected back by the wider culture.
Totally agree with Rob. Waited in line (yes, waited in a line) for 2 hours with a couple of friends in Westwood for ROTJ. All three of us came out of the theater and said, wtf was that. What a disappointment! Han Solo was so “wimpy”. What happened to the Han from the first 2 movies? The Ewoks (teddy bears) defeating the Stormtroopers with sticks and rocks. Ridiculous! The scene at the Sarlac pit was stupid as well. Lightsaber doesn’t cut anything? Boba gets pushed into the pit by a semi conscious Han Solo? Come on! Even the scenes at Jabba’s palace were cringy. There were a few good scenes, but not enough to match the first 2 movies. I will always watched the first 2 when I run across them on TV. Not so much ROTJ. Should have let the same team that did Empire do ROTJ. Biggest let down of my movie going life. Me and my friends still talk about how disappointed we were.
George Lucas didnt hate Empire, he hated the fact the producrion cost so much $. Kurtz didnt know Lucas was spearheading digital tech & how it would advance.
I was born in 89 and I'm just old enough to remember life before the prequels. I remember asking my dad " why is it called episode IV?". As a kid and still to this day episode vi is my favourite Star Wars movie. Rob I appreciate and can see your point of view about episode vi. I love how you can articulate your opinion, I always understand where you are coming from.
Alien 3 was my biggest disappointment
Same ✋🏼
I was 11, horrified by the trailers "this is a maximum security prison and you have no weapons of any kind?" - I was thinking this is the bait and switch, those flames in the trailer are because Ripley cobbled together some jerry-rigged flamethrower, and that one alien was going to be a juvenile Queen.
The atmosphere was good. Ripley was great. And everything else was just uninspired, insipid, trash.
After Alien and Aliens how could things come to this?
Decades later I scribed my own gritty scifi thriller to compensate for that trauma! Ugh. No weapons of any kind... 🤮
@ it least we got Romulus haha, I know how you feel.
The directors cut was better, but you’re still not wrong
Great talk Rob! I kinda see it a bit like this… when I saw Yoda as a kid in Empire, I believed he was a real living creature. When I saw the Ewoks a few years later, I thought they were kids in teddy bear suits (which they were). Suddenly Star Wars was no longer a real escapist fantasy world, and there were so many silly moments in the movie that it made the throne room scene feel out of place.
Rob, we're the same age. Im with you, man. When I first saw Jedi, I thought it turned into a Muppet film. Big fan!
Old man yells at Cloud City.
🧑🍳
Ad hominem ya
@ “ad hominem!” 😆
😂😂😂😂😂
Rob shaking his fist "Abraaaaaams!"
Yup. New Hope and Rogue One are awesome.
It's taken me 25 years to realize the same thing about some of my favorite bands/musical artists. Eventually these bands let you down & leave you feeling disappointed. Part of it was the state of denial I was in, but eventually I realized bands/songwriters ultimately lose their creative mojo
you’re not wrong RMB. I remember feeling this even after the first time seeing ROTJ.
I think a lot of people forgot how bad ROTJ is because of how worse the prequels were and how much much worse Disney Star Wars has been.
Excuse me, Mr., Return of the Jedi is great, thank you.
1:16:40 - Really, Mr Burnett, you must learn to govern your passions. They will be your undoing. Logic suggests…
There were many things that I agreed with you in this episode. Your euphemism is not one of them. It is corrupt at its base and it is endemic of the core problem with much of the media we are forced to suffer through today. It is the wailings of a 14 year old film student masterbating in the corner.
40:00 I've always wondered what it was like to see those Walkers for the first time on the big screen.
I always thought rotj was pretty good.
Me, too. The scene with Luke and Vader talking to each other before going to visit the Emperor is chef's kiss.
Their is a lot of commonality between SW and the MCU. Endgame just like RotJ barely made it across the finish line. The high point in both arcs was the failure in the second act. In isolation RotJ is still a good movie but a disappointment in the wider context of what could have been.
Rob, a View to a kill is good and Max Zorin is the most vilain of Bond movies
Rob is right, TROTJ is very disappointing and the idea that SW is for kids was a great mistake, SW should be for everyone like TLOFR
@Morildrane it was for adults to, it's a great movie.
Hey Rob, Longtime Listener and fellow film school Trojan: Just realized that we're about the same age since i saw SW when i was 11! Did we know each other in film school? I started in the Fall 1986 and some of my "famous" friends were Matt Reeves and John Ottman... Keep the great content coming, Aaron Yamamoto, BA/MFA USC Film Production Program.
COULDN’T. AGREE. MORE.
Telling me ROTJ is not great is like telling me Joker 2 is good.. oh wait.....
True! Phantom Menace and Revenge of the Sith..
Robert before May of 1983 I read the Marvel adaptation of Return of the Jedi and then the novelization by James Kahn. No choice in the film threw me off. After it was done my friends and I moved from the balcony . I hit the washroom and went right to the msin floor seating to watch again. Even at 15 I liked it. The Mandalorian was about at RotJ level. Maybe Rogue One. But the prequels or sequels were not even as good as Retutn of the Jedi. It may be the lesser of the Holy Trilogy but as Siskel and Ebert said it was in good company.
The early scripts of ANH and ESB also conclusively prove that Vader was not Luke’s father and Leia was never his sister. Fans our age can’t help but wonder what might have been, especially watching the first Star Wars when the future was wide open. The greatest let down I think was Lucas abandoning the plans for the 12 episode saga he briefly thought about in early 1978. The timeline would have worked perfectly, especially with one whole trilogy dedicated solely to the Clone Wars. Instead when he made Vader Luke’s father he watered down the scale of the story and compressed the timeline unnecessarily. Not to mention retconning Obi-Wan into a liar and having to write that pathetic line in ROTJ about truth being a certain point of view.
Revenge of the Sith is a Great Film Categorically. So I can name at least 3 great Star Wars movies personally. And I love them all. Phantom Menace hit different in theaters 20 years after initial release this year. What a Sad sad topic to make a Video on...
Return of the Jedi was my favorite as a kid, probably because it was the big triumphant ending, but as an adult it ranks far below Ep. 4 & 5. There are some great scenes, especially in the final act, but most of it lacks the creative spark that resonated so strongly in the first two films.
i think ALL the 6 main saga films are great in their own ways
My thoughts, exactly.
I can get behind anyone embracing what they like, but Attack of the Clones was never “great”, not on opening night and not now. Time has not magically made it a better movie.
The Force Awakens is better than the prequels
@@tronam i think its great but thats ur opinion
@@YTChannel420 force awakens offers almost nothing new and is just a retread for ppl stuck in the past
25:00 Yes! I've been saying this for years, even as a kid! Also, if Luke and Leia were siblings, Ben would not have said "that boy is our only hope." He would have known Leia was a viable alternative. Yoda was not talking about Leia. I heard once that the Jedi Father reveal was not George's idea. If true, I would say that is why George made Luke and Leia siblings. He was trying to one up someone else's idea.
What about Leia sensing Luke was in danger. I always thought that was clearly indicating the fact Leia and Luke were siblings
I knew casablanca was a classic but i had not seen it. When i did, i was shocked how funny it is in places an that film fans were not over selling it. Classic.
Yes! Night of the Comet! We rented that all the time when I was in grade school!
Agree that Jedi is a really dissatisfying finale but have to push back on some other stuff…
1. The love triangle theory for why Anakin turned has no substance to it… If it had been the initial plan, there would’ve been seeds laid in ep1, but Kenobi and Padme barely speak to each other - in fact, OB1 is left on the ship so we can spend time with Ani and Padme. Also, Lucas went against the advice of people like Coppola by making Anakin so young because he knew the audience needed to empathise with him being separated from his mother because that was going to drive him going forwards - his downfall was always set to be about control and loss.
2. There’s way more sexuality in Star Wars than LOTR - those movies (and the books more so) are completely sexless.
Even in Jedi there’s Jabbas dancing slave girls and Han getting jealous of Luke - the characters in SW are driven by what’s in their pants a lot more than the characters in LOTR
LOTR has plenty of homosexuality
@@kurtshastany1945 not really... you could give a homoerotic reading of Frodo and Sam perhaps, but it's a very quaint, sexless thing.
Clive Revill's performance was creepy and menacing! I still have his performance on my Laserdisc Trilogy Set 😉
Yes much better than the pantomime ROTJ version
Don't know what your trying to achieve by attacking the Max Rebo Band, just going to make people angry
New Hope, Empire Strikes Back, Rogue One are my favorite SW movies.
regarding bootleg at 24:06. We had a bootleg transfer copy of Star Wars on Sony Betamax prior to Empire coming out. My dad owned a hi-fi shop and was a Sony dealer. We had several film transfers on Beta actually like Where Eagles Dare, A Bridge Too Far and some Italian WW2 movie involving a train heist. My dad to this day wont reveal his source for those. Possibly forgotten by this point. I do still have the tape but no method to play it currently. Not sure if it was a transfer of THE STAR WARS from 77 or the 79 A NEW HOPE re-release. But that part of your tale, is totally real. I watched Star Wars at home hundreds of times before they ever came to VHS. Hit me up if you ever want to roll on these topics.
You couldn’t win his argument based on opinion so you had to keep it going when no one could argue back, All people have different expectations for Star Wars films based on their own tastes, their age when viewed, and which characters they enjoy and love to see. Whether the screenplay is perfect or every plot point makes sense or not (even the first movie has details that do not make sense if examined too closely) . Giving up logic is nearly unavoidable in fantasy fiction. Of course the first two are the best.
The original Revenge of the Jedi treatment is out there for the public. If someone were to do a high class animated feature of that story Star Wars could be very successful again.
You can't do a Disney friendly mob story
Guy: No one respects you
Boba Fett: ...
Guy: No one respects you
Scarface: SAY HELLO TO MY LITTLE FRIEND!!!!
(BOOOOOOM)
Vader: Luke, the Emperor has forseen this. Obi-Wan never told you who killed your father.
Luke: Yeah. He said you did.
Vader: No. Obi-Wan killed your father.
Top notch analysis.😊😊😊
Nah, I gotta disagree. For me, A New Hope, Revenge of the Sith and Return of the Jedi are all pretty great. Phantom Menace, while quite flawed, really shines every time I watch it.
The Clone Wars mini-series from 2003 is legendary as well. I like it more than almost every film in the SW canon except my top 3.
All 11 Star Wars films, Mandalorian, Ashoka, Obi Wan, and Andor are all Good to great!
Yikes! Unfortunately, you, friend, are the problem.
@@schmiggidyok maybe Phantom Menaxe and Attack of the Clones are questionable. But even those I enjoy enough to call good. Personally I think the Disney stuff is leagues above the prequel trilogy. I think I care more about the design of characters and ships more than if every little plot point makes sense. If you examine any Star Wars movie every detail doesn’t make sense. For instance in a universe of Space Travel why can’t R2/D2 speak English. It makes absolutely no sense that he cant speak English. Zero. But it’s fun to hear him squeak, so you forgive that lapse in logic. And most flaws of the newer films are excuse for same reason. The only flaws that aren’t forgivable are boring plots and boring characters like episode 1 and 2 have. I’ve had fun at all the movies. In my opinion if they are fun and enjoyable they qualify as good. There is so much more to a film than story and plot. There is sound design, cinematography, acting, stuntwork, suspense. these are things the haters never like to acknowledge. They get hung up on their own expectations of where they want the story to go. They also all seem to have the same few complaints as if they listen to RUclips videos to steal their opinions from someone else. It is hive mind hate that I fully reject. Story and screenplay are simply a blueprint.
@@mrfloosak ??? You must be trolling. While I appreciate your reply, I simply cannot engage in serious conversation with anyone who views the Disney films in a positive light. I could dive into all the reasons why, but they are painfully obvious by now to even the most casual moviegoer.
@ Sorry but you are in the minority. Rise of Skywalker has an 86 audience score on Rotten Tomatoes. You are just emotional about your own expectations and tastes. Most that don’t view as part of their identity politics war or their expanded universe expectations of how Luke and Han should be 40 years later loved or at least thouroughly enjoyed the films.
@@mrfloosak See, now you've gone and graduated from troll to just plain d***. I refuse to entertain anymore of your bullshit. F off.
I really liked Rogue One, but I get diminishing returns on it with each viewing.
Because it's not good.
I soured a lot on Rogue One when I understood they ripped off Kyle Katarn trilogy
There are only SIX great Star Wars films and I don't think there will ever likely be another one. Certainly not from Disney.
One other thing you point out: People were reading. Unfortunately not so much today.
i have a fuzzy memory of the gun that pops out of the underside of the Millennium Falcon when stormtroopers first attack the ship in 'A New Hope' (hence the explosion in Mos Eisley space port). Is it a false memory borrowed from Empire?
Yup.
You just pointed out in this stream my biggest problem with fandom in general Rob !.
When you say "It's monstrously not good" or just "It's Not Good" you by DEFINITION have set a PRECEDENT within the community,
basically telling them that your standard should be EVERYONE'S and it IMO opinion INDOCTERNATES the other fans with this notion:
"MY POV IS LAW and if you are not feeling the same your opinion is IRRELEVANT and you have NO PLACE in any fandom".
Because using this proxy by definition is saying that some fans are above others.
As much as i don't like John Campea i do agree with him on one thing: IT'S ALL SUBJECTIVE !!.
So when you say "It's monstrously not good" ??. NO, YOU THINK it's not good !!. There's a difference.
For example, i don't like Star Trek the Original Series because i think it's boring, emotionless and it paints a picture to the fans with the narrative
that if you are not a PERFECTIONIST ELITIST EXPERT you have no place in society and you don't belong anywhere. It's pounding itself on the chest
saying "Only the BEST OF THE BEST can succeed at anything in life" which i find very insulting.
BUT i do love The Next Generation AND the new stuff as well, like Discovery or Picard.
I also hate Andor. It fucks !?. Fucks what !?. There are literally no alien species in that show !!. It's so incredibly....................i don't want to get nasty or political.
And WHAT EXACTLY does that make Star Wars !?. All the well known characters that are in there that we all love !?. Or is giving Saw Gerrera a CAMEO meant as a joke !?.
Am i wrong for loving things that you clearly hate or is the fanbase finally going to accept other points of view and create unity once again !?.
There is a reason why i am no longer a part of the Star Wars fandom but i might elaborate on that in a future member chat.
Lastly: do you really think it's fair to say that just because you are older than me, you somehow get the IP better than other devoted fans like me !?
Well said. I'm not for elitist views.
@@pferreira1983
Thank you very much for seeing my POV.
@@schlock159 The only issue I've ever had with Rob is that he sees things from a geek consensus and if you look outside of web forums it's not so obvious what people like or dislike about movies. It shouldn't mean that if I think a particular movie is good that my opinion is wrong because geek consensus is that it's bad.
@@pferreira1983
I agree.
And let me be clear: I have no problem with Rob. Rob is great.
I have a problem with his POV on this whole thing.
@@schlock159 Yep!
Rob's on fire throughout this video! 😂 For what it's worth I think the rescue of Han is good and the throne room is epic but I'd agree a 2nd death star and ewoks are a bit naff.
Well film criticism is ultimately subjective. But what we try to do is develop rules that we could then apply to movies and then say whether we would like them or not If we looked at them without prejudice - positive or negative.
You can't say a James Bond movie is good or at James Bond movie is bad literally. You have to say that James Bond movie shares features of things that you generally like if you are not biased in one way or another.
I personally dig the OG trilogy, Rogue One, and ROTS. So, that's 5 by my count.
Totally agree with you-
A New Hope
The Empire Strikes Back
…and that’s it.
Baron & Rude’s Nexus and Jim Starlin’s Dreadstar were definite adult steps forward for science fiction/fantasy in comics, that I certainly think went in some more daring areas than Star Wars.
Your older then me was born in 1995 one of my first movie experiences was seeing revenge of the sith which is my favorite movie of all time
Born in 74, Return of the Jedi, there was no movie I was anticipating more ! Sadly you’re correct, it was a let down ! I remember just being so disappointed AT 9 turning 10 ! I love The franchise, but that was a serious letdown!
I agree with every single word spoken here.
Great show!!!!
The editing in Return felt strange: thrilling throne room scene, sudden breaks like in a soap - NEWS from teddies&the bunker crew.
Jedi gave us the sail barge, speeder bikes. A wing b wings and yes shuttle tiderion.
I got to see all 3 originals in 70mm, that was awesome. I love Star Wars, the original trilogy. Yes, I know they are not perfect, but no movie is, look at the garbage coming out today.
Phantom Menace seemed like an after school special.
Unpopular opinion: if I had to decide whether Empire was destroyed forever or Star Wars, I'd save Star Wars. Fight me!
John Capea said Return of the Jedi was the best of the original 3.
First 2 are universal and much copied masterpieces. Fans love later stuff like Sith & Rogue One because they’re filled with SO MUCH STAR WARS. New Hope gets down-voted for not having enough - some fans say it was just a good start. Nope. It’s still strides above everything else apart from Empire
Can't disagree with any of that.
There are many reasons ROTJ was a massive disappointment, the biggest of which was a been-there-done-that sense of rehash. Jabba’s den was just Mos Eisley. Boba Fett’s death was dumb. The Ewoks were even dumber. The stop motion animation was awful and to end the trilogy by blowing up yet another Death Star was unimaginative retread. Great that Jedi has grown in stature thanks to the prequels, but those of us who waited in line all day to see Jedi on opening night were unimpressed.
I hate Michael Myers and Laurie Strode being siblings as much as you hate Luke and Leia being brother and sister. That one retcon in Halloween II doomed the franchise for 40 years.
Revenge Of the Sith and Rogue One are great Star Wars movies
Didn’t Luke call out to Leia on Cloud City! The sibling thing still tracks to me