Olivetti & the Italian Computer: What Could Have Been

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  • @ErikBramsen
    @ErikBramsen Год назад +155

    One of the best PCs I ever had, was an Olivetti 486/66. I don't know what was inside, but the cabinet was half the size of the BUBs we had back then, half the noise level, booted like Usain Bolt and never had any hardware issues.

    • @thisnicklldo
      @thisnicklldo Год назад +13

      I was in the industry in the early/mid 80's and the Olivetti 286/386 generation of PC's was relatively successful and well regarded. Proper MSDOS compatibility (which mattered at that time), reasonable prices. Compaq really did for them, but they were OK for a while.

    • @lance31415
      @lance31415 Год назад +12

      I worked for Olivetti in late 1980s and knew the PC lead designer. He was a Stanford grad running the team from Cupertino California next to Apple. Their PCs were really good but they couldn't match up with the lower-margin commodity competition. Intel and Microsoft were playing favorites back then and worked hard to drive some of their customers out of business. We had Olivetti office furniture and it was fantastic.

    • @ivancho5854
      @ivancho5854 Год назад +8

      My father had an Olivetti computer (maybe a M24?) which was one of the first computers which I ever programmed on as a kid. It was great and had the best keyboard which I have ever used, even surpassing IBM keyboards of the era. I can remember programming a pong like game as one of my first projects. Fun times. 👍

  • @tomschmidt381
    @tomschmidt381 Год назад +168

    As a geezer I love these corporate history lessons. I was an EE at Centronics Data Computer, the printer manufacturer in the 1970s. My family, grandfather and father were in the office supply business so I was used to the notion of good years and bad years. What I was unprepared for was the rapid demise of hitech companies due to changing technology and corporate inertia to cannibalize profitable product lines. None of the companies I worked for have survived.

    • @JoeHamelin
      @JoeHamelin Год назад +9

      But the connector did!

    • @tomschmidt381
      @tomschmidt381 Год назад +24

      @@JoeHamelin The "real" Centronics connector is a 36 pin version of the Amphenol 57 series used extensively by MaBell. When IBM brought out the PC they change the printer connector to a DB25 (the typical connector used for RS232) and for the serial connector they used a 9-pin version with a subset of RS232 signals. Fun fact, we sold a low cost printer to Radio Shack and that one had a 36-pin edge card connector to save money.
      Now a days USB has superseded both.

    • @myothernameistaken
      @myothernameistaken Год назад +6

      @@tomschmidt381 RS-232 isn't going anywhere anytime soon.

    • @milantrcka121
      @milantrcka121 Год назад +3

      @@myothernameistaken It has generated a progeny of high-speed serial connections such as USB (already several flavors), FireWire, etc.

    • @tarstarkusz
      @tarstarkusz Год назад +12

      Yes, most of the early pioneers in computing are nowhere to be found today.
      I just commented elsewhere on this video how easy it is to look backwards and then pretend the computer revolution was obvious in the late 50s and early 60s. New technology which had not yet been invented was required to build the computer revolution.
      Who the hell would have believed in 1959 that a TV could be reduced down to a handful of components and a chip? A color TV had hundreds of components and cost 500 1959/60 Dollars but was eventually brought down for the 1959 equivalent of 25 Dollars using ICs. Computers were multi million Dollar machines.
      This stuff just was not obvious then.

  • @madzen112
    @madzen112 Год назад +90

    From a European consumer point of view, in the 90s, they were a company similar to Compaq. And one of the few PC producer who gave design a thought.

  • @alejandroochoa2160
    @alejandroochoa2160 Год назад +35

    I always remember my father talking about P101 and how important where in space program. Mom and dad meet each other working for Olivetti, back in 1971, I missed them, thanks for sharing.

  • @ekkiplicht7283
    @ekkiplicht7283 Год назад +9

    Very good insight into Olivetti. I learned programming on a Programma 101, thanks to a visionary teacher at my high school in the 70s. Thanks for the nice memories.

  • @fotmheki
    @fotmheki Год назад +64

    Italian governments are always short-sighted and pretty incompetent in technical matters. The planned renew of industrial sectors allocated only € 700M to the whole IT industry, chip making included, they have no idea how much is necessary to build a fab 😅
    And just a quick correction at 8:00 the town name is Frascati :)

    • @rksleung
      @rksleung Год назад +1

      Haha.. Only known for its wine and not its once-fledging IT industry.

    • @acmenipponair
      @acmenipponair Месяц назад

      well, due to their biggest funders they are more versitile in making concrete stuff. Like highways, bridges or concrete shoes ;)

  • @becktronics
    @becktronics Год назад +34

    I had no idea who Mario Tchou was prior to watching this, but he's one of the more fascinating men I've heard about now in the history of computers. To think he died at 37 in such a tragic way given all his accomplishments and what he likely would have continued to do in his life is interesting to think about. Nice video!

    • @hermangouw
      @hermangouw Год назад +2

      Neither did I ... very interesting to learn that a Chinese Italian played a major role in Olivetti Computer,

  • @davidtydeman1434
    @davidtydeman1434 Год назад +38

    I sold PCs in the 1980s in Australia which was the worlds most competitive market with brands from USA, Europe and Asia. Olivetti was the biggest seller in this market for several years.

  • @ericcsuf
    @ericcsuf Год назад +4

    An incredibly well researched and well presented documentary. My only real contact with Olivetti was working on Olivetti teletype machines in the US Army in the early 60's. Beautifully designed and elegantly simple machines compared to the Teletype Corp and Kleinschmidt machines we also used. the Olivetti machines rarely broke down and when they did, I could often fix them with a screwdriver and pliers. The others were far more complex, broke down more often and needed complex part replacements. The Olivetti usually just needed a quick "alignment" with pliers and were on line again in minutes instead of hours or days.
    Thanks again for a very informative video.

  • @orchidhouse297
    @orchidhouse297 Год назад +10

    Back around 1983 I was using an Olivetti PC running MS-DOS. It ran without any problems for many years. This is where I learned about computers.

    • @sheridenboord7853
      @sheridenboord7853 10 месяцев назад +1

      I got the Olivetti PC compatible in 1983 too. It was absolutely reliable, got dragged thru every major airport in Australia for years and never missed a beat. I didn't realise the significance at the time, but yes it was quality.

  • @michaelharrison1093
    @michaelharrison1093 Год назад +120

    Another great video Jon.
    An intresting fact is that the STMicroelectronis fab in Castelleto near Milan is the old Olivetti facility.
    They have a small nostalgic collection of old mechanical typewriters and computers on display there.

    • @jjadragna
      @jjadragna Год назад +1

      I have worked with this team and they are very, very smart and nice people !

  • @blip_bloop
    @blip_bloop Год назад +12

    These case studies on computer companies are some of my favorite videos; you have a gift for presenting this information!

  • @lagautmd
    @lagautmd Год назад +16

    I did my first computer programming on an Olivetti Programma 101 in high school in the early 1970s.

  • @thewiirocks
    @thewiirocks Год назад +51

    I remember working at McDonalds in the 1990s and using Ollivetti touch screen Point of Sale systems. They were SO MUCH better than the membrane keyboard systems all the other McDonalds used. Plus, ours could be easily updated by the office for various promotions without having to print out and overlay.

    • @abrahamg4857
      @abrahamg4857 Год назад +6

      I knew the name Olivetti sounded familiar! That's where I knew it from.
      I worked at McD's from 1999 to 2003

    • @marcv2648
      @marcv2648 Год назад +2

      I remember those too. Only as a customer though. McDonald's wouldn't hire me when they had the chance.

    • @alexlo7708
      @alexlo7708 Год назад +1

      But it is Ollivetti under GE.

    • @Paolo3480
      @Paolo3480 Год назад

      ​@@alexlo7708No, it was not Olivetti under GE. Olivetti sold it's mainframe business in 1965. The recent computers from 1970-2000 were designed and build by Olivetti itself in Ivrea (Italy). Olivetti in 1986 was the first producer of computers in Europe and the second or third in the world, due to it's agreement with AT&T to sell the Olivetti M24 as AT&T PC6300 in the US.

    • @ZaccariaGaming
      @ZaccariaGaming 6 месяцев назад

      ​​@@alexlo7708 GE bought the electronics department but computers were still made independently by Olivetti

  • @francescocacudi1767
    @francescocacudi1767 Год назад +4

    I spent 40 years in the semiconductors business in Italy, 28 of which at Motorola Semiconductors. Olivetti was the biggest account in the country. Thanks a lot for this history, albeit sad. They almost invented the PC, but their managers strangled the baby in the crib by telling their people "let's not dream, we cannot have done something of worldwide importance". True though, sufficient capital was not there and they would not find it outside. So everyone just wanted to float along, not understanding that this was just a recipe for decline. This is the history of my whole country, and their "cold war" incompetent governments.
    I still remember newsbits in Electronics magazine in the '70s, praising innovative solutions in their workstations.
    Oh well...

  • @-.-FailureManagement
    @-.-FailureManagement Год назад +34

    Sad story😢 and it's so sad to see so much incompetent government in Italy. Be a Chinese/Italian it's so hard for me to see a great future for Italy today, and a lot of people that I know they move abroad to have better wages.

    • @ebx100
      @ebx100 Год назад +8

      But a nice place for wealthy American retirees!

    • @nothinghappenedatpearlharb7426
      @nothinghappenedatpearlharb7426 Год назад

      @@ebx100europe is just going to become an appendage of America.
      The game is between China and america now. Let’s see if either side has the balls to roll the die or whether they’re both cowards

    • @monsieurlemon
      @monsieurlemon 8 месяцев назад

      especially the south

    • @Fred_Klingon
      @Fred_Klingon 3 месяца назад +2

      The future is built in the current present. We can go elsewhere where the present is known, or stay where we are trying to build a better future.
      Think about that group at Olivetti, they didn't move to the US, they made a division here, and now you're watching this video. Personally I'm very proud of them, knowing how difficult it is to obtain such goals in this country.

    • @alfonsfalkhayn8950
      @alfonsfalkhayn8950 Месяц назад

      ​@@Fred_Klingon in the sh!t-hole?

  • @sergiostanislauskas8985
    @sergiostanislauskas8985 Год назад +5

    I had the opportunity to test Olivetti mainframe based on Hitachi components and running IBM operating system in Ivrea in the 70's. It was an excellent opportunity to know Olivetti installations and Ivrea itself, a place full of innovation concerning ideas, the offices and residential areas and the preoccupation of the company with the well being of the employees. It is a pity that it went bust....

  • @francescocatalano5855
    @francescocatalano5855 Год назад +3

    Outstanding documentary myself graduated at Pisa university and studied with colleagues at Barbaricina nearby the Faculty of engineering and the San Rossore horses racing

  • @Cosimao564
    @Cosimao564 Год назад +260

    as an italian it's very refreshing to listen to an impartial reading of the story of olivetti without the conspiracy focus.

    • @alexny1173
      @alexny1173 Год назад +64

      Especially since the conspiracies divert attention away from the other reasons for the failure of Olivetti. Problems such as brain drain, the lack government support and funding and heavy bureaucracy which are still problems for Italian research and industry today.

    • @CallistoPili
      @CallistoPili Год назад

      what struck my eyes was at the point he mentioned Pirelli, Fiat... All of these still today are not focused to make Italy great but they are focused instead on making money, with no money, no leadership, sad really sad story. The managers of these companies are exactly tye ones to blame for the industrial and technological devastation Italy has. And because their hands are into politics also, that is why Goverments in general are not driven by common sense but evils.

    • @irvingchies1626
      @irvingchies1626 Год назад +29

      Lol as soon as he said about the engineer's death on the road I was like "well, that's way too convenient, I wonder if he was killed or something" didn't think people would actually have conspiracy theories about it

    • @mondodimotori
      @mondodimotori Год назад

      @@irvingchies1626 In italy you have a conspiracy theory about everything bad that happens.
      Of course this diverts attention from the truth, so my personal conspiracy theory is that conspyracy theories are fueled by the media to hide the truth.

    • @silmarian
      @silmarian Год назад +20

      @@irvingchies1626people will come up with conspiracy theories about ham sandwiches, let alone deaths of engineers.

  • @Dr.Kananga
    @Dr.Kananga Год назад +4

    Hi, great video. I feel this deserves a second part to explain Olivetti's path from the 1960s to early 2000s; there'are a great amount of details to support another video as the company enters the computer era until its demise.

    • @paul_boddie
      @paul_boddie Год назад

      Agreed. This video provided a nice introduction to a part of Olivetti's history that trailed off when the original computer division was sold to GE, with the Programma 101 being a less ambitious project that only managed to find a place in Olivetti's trimmed-down operations due to its recategorisation as a calculator. The modern computer operations of Olivetti were a distinct endeavour.
      In some ways, this is reminiscent of Ferranti (mentioned in this video) who were a key player in early British computing. When the sector was consolidated under ICL in the 1960s, Ferranti was contractually obliged to not compete with ICL in commercial mainframe computing, but microcomputing gave the company an opportunity to re-enter the commercial space in the 1980s.

  • @samgeorge4798
    @samgeorge4798 Год назад +26

    Glad to constantly see your channel grow. Consistently some of the best videos on the platform

    • @fxsrider
      @fxsrider Год назад +5

      This stuff makes RUclips rock!!

  • @clydeblair9622
    @clydeblair9622 Год назад +39

    In the 70s they had a travelling exhibit called 'Olivetti Concept and Form'. Mind blowing style. I lost the incredible booklet/brochure with state of the art print quality to a flood. So sad.

    • @bbuggediffy
      @bbuggediffy Год назад +2

      I am sure Olivetti can be explored in museums in Italy.

  • @lawrencedoliveiro9104
    @lawrencedoliveiro9104 Год назад +1

    28:52 I have this memory of reading about this machine when I were a wee lad, in an issue of _Reader’s Digest_ that must have come out shortly afterwards. One thing I remember was that it had 500 transistors in it.

  • @lawrencedoliveiro9104
    @lawrencedoliveiro9104 Год назад +5

    9:26 That gadget in Enrico’s hand is a slide rule. They had pretty much died out by the 1970s, superseded by the pocket calculator.

  • @proudsnowtiger
    @proudsnowtiger Год назад +105

    We built PC networking gards in the 80s. Olivetti was one of, if not the, most troublesome brands we had to deal with. Every model seemed to deviate from the IBM spec in a different way, needing work-arounds. No instiutional memory, a new design team each time.

    • @TheDavidlloydjones
      @TheDavidlloydjones Год назад +17

      One oddity I found working with Olivetti in 1985 was that the act of putting a label on a minicomputer, e.g. "Olivetti. Made in USA," constituted manufacturing -- and if you put the label on in the USA it constituted manufacturing in the USA.

    • @JoseLopez-hp5oo
      @JoseLopez-hp5oo Год назад +4

      Sounds like someone had to do the jumper jiggle and the terminator twist!

    • @akkudakkupl
      @akkudakkupl Год назад +10

      Italian design at its finest.

    • @mikebarushok5361
      @mikebarushok5361 Год назад +15

      Besides Olivetti and the DEC rainbow, the least compatible brand was IBM itself, once they went the PS/2 route with micro channel and the new keyboard and mouse connectors and ESDI disks.

    • @JoeHamelin
      @JoeHamelin Год назад +5

      IIRC, the AT&T computer was an Olivetti. Nice box, when it worked, but hell to work on otherwise due to being very unstandard.

  • @ShiningJMaster
    @ShiningJMaster Год назад +2

    i'm from Ivrea and my father worked for Olivetti 35 years, from '57 to '92. I knew the story and this narration is pretty much correct and well documented.

  • @jjadragna
    @jjadragna Год назад +1

    This is one of the most interesting and well told episodes you’ve made ! Thank you

  • @Rocky-gw4jf
    @Rocky-gw4jf Год назад +2

    In the early 1970s, several of us used the Olivetti Programma 101 exactly as described - to easily make mind-numbing chemistry calculations, over and over, with the instructions stored on magnetic cards. Instant recognition when you showed the photos.
    That was just before HP came out with their first pocket scientific calculator. Spent a then-princely sum to buy one, disappointed it didn't have magnetic card storage. Tiny mag cards were available on later models.
    Switched to IBM mainframes. Became a whiz at running card punch machines. Despite majoring in other areas, I spent most of my career in IT. Too many computer families, operating systems, and programming languages to remember. Continuous change!
    Thanks for the memories.

  • @fernandoschuindt1665
    @fernandoschuindt1665 Год назад +70

    Few years ago, I've found an Olivetti mechanical calculator in a junkyard. Pretty fascinating build.

    • @fss1704
      @fss1704 Год назад +3

      I have a 3g modem

    • @ntabile
      @ntabile Год назад +6

      Keep it, restore , and might be expensive when auctioned.

    • @brodriguez11000
      @brodriguez11000 Год назад +6

      Those mechanicals were built like a tank and weighed as much.

    • @Michele_aka_Latente
      @Michele_aka_Latente Год назад +1

      all the internal component are derived by typewriter, the mechanical calculator are design by Natale Capellaro and his history is incredible. he have only primary school grads, he start to work in olivetti at 14, but was a mechanical wunderkind.

  • @Alan_UK
    @Alan_UK Год назад +3

    Thank you very much for this. Fascinating insight to Olivetti's history. In mid 1980s I worked in IT for an insurance company. It was apparent that the IBM PC would make a significant impact on office processes and productivity. I persuaded the IT director to let me evaluate PCs including clones and this included an Olivetti (cannot remember the model). I had the first Olivetti and used the Aston Tate Framework office package, a windowing system using the non-graphics character screen.
    We eventually bought 100s of the Olivetti PCs. They were faster, had great keyboards (as you would expect from an ex typewriter company) and offered better value. We even bought some of the Olivetti M15 portables with lift out keyboards for the sales force. I still have the M15 in my home office together with MSDOS disks. I hope to give it to computer museum shortly.

    • @paul_boddie
      @paul_boddie Год назад +2

      It could have been the Olivetti M24. That was an 8086-based machine, as opposed to the 8088-based IBM PC, and was successful enough to be imported into the US and sold by AT&T.

    • @pilotgrrl1
      @pilotgrrl1 5 месяцев назад +1

      Those M24s must have been the ones i worked on peripherally (pun intended). I remember Framework, too. It was easy to use (and train my younger sisters on).

    • @kilburnvideos
      @kilburnvideos 2 месяца назад +1

      I had forgotten all about Ashton Tate. Thanks for the reminder. Another "what could have been" story.

  • @lawrencedoliveiro9104
    @lawrencedoliveiro9104 Год назад +1

    9:46 Chimneys to channel hot air from the vacuum tubes. Funny I can’t recall seeing anything similar for other vacuum-tube computers from that era. Something to do with Italy’s warmer climate?

  • @stefanz6502
    @stefanz6502 Год назад +6

    Your research is impeccable!

  • @coraltown1
    @coraltown1 Год назад +6

    I 'worked' on the Olivetti/Kodak collaboration on optical r/w technology for 2 months in 1989 before that project spontaneously combusted in a flash. It did indiectly result in working for a much better company and more interesting career path🙂.

    • @lucasrem
      @lucasrem Год назад +1

      Chip lithographic ? Read / write ? ASML took it all over, Philips outsourcing TSMC in 1989

  • @raoulduke6043
    @raoulduke6043 Год назад +3

    Plan Calcul in France is interesting for many reasons. It produced the Cyclades network that was ahead of it's time concerning data transfer, and would have an impact on what became later on Internet. But the project shared technology with the Americans (and others) and France Telecom wanted to get all government funds for the Minitel (who was back then more realistic although very limited and not future proof on the long run). So Cyclades died instead of surviving like Arpanet and becoming part of Internet

  • @1pierosangiorgio
    @1pierosangiorgio Год назад +8

    I was seated at the lunch table in Ivrea in 1991 with Mr. DeBenedetti where the deal of selling the PC division to DEC was changed to DEC buying 4% stake into Olivetti.

    • @jrstf
      @jrstf Год назад +1

      DEC buying Olivetti quickly changed into Compaq buying DEC?

    • @johanponin8680
      @johanponin8680 Год назад

      can you confirm that he sold because he lost money with a failed financial trick with some french capitalists ?

    • @1pierosangiorgio
      @1pierosangiorgio Год назад

      Yeah. Those years were quite something. How fast giants fall!!!

  • @captainkeyboard1007
    @captainkeyboard1007 3 месяца назад

    The Underwood Olivetti Lettera 32 was my first favorite "keyboard" until it was stolen in 1977. Today, I am keyboarding on a Dell microcomputer and printing my work on a Canon color laser printer and Brother P-touch label printer. I just learned that Olivetti made computers in an IBM world. Your story surely can lead me from my comfort zone into the real Western World.

  • @ebx100
    @ebx100 Год назад +33

    We had a P101 in my elementary school science lab. It always had students using it. I remember it seemed miles ahead of any other desktop calculator available at the time.

    • @jameshatton4211
      @jameshatton4211 Год назад +3

      How old are you may I ask?

    • @greglinwood
      @greglinwood Год назад

      I still have a P101, though it hasn't been switched on for 30 years & its rubber components would need to be replaced. I wonder sometimes if it still works.

    • @ebx100
      @ebx100 Год назад

      You should make a RUclips video about it's restoration.
      @@greglinwood

    • @lawrencedoliveiro9104
      @lawrencedoliveiro9104 Год назад +1

      @@greglinwood You need to do a RUclips video on it.

  • @Tom_Mroz
    @Tom_Mroz Год назад +4

    Thank you. That’s brilliantly prepared information, which I honestly had no idea about.

  • @maestromecanico597
    @maestromecanico597 Год назад +41

    It doesn't matter what industry history you study. Every single one is filled with stories of "almosts" and "what ifs?". It's counterfactuals like these that keep us historians up at night. Sure, it would be nice if the conspiracy theories were true. Alas, the proverb is true: the mighty does not always win the fight nor the swift always win the race. Excellent coverage of this piece of history.

    • @brodriguez11000
      @brodriguez11000 Год назад +13

      Breaking into the American market was the right idea with the wrong execution.

    • @danyoutube7491
      @danyoutube7491 Год назад +3

      @@brodriguez11000 Yep, perhaps a bit of hubris on the part of Adriano that, despite the misgivings of his colleagues, he could take on this massive company and make it efficient and use it to launch Olivetti in America.

  • @marcwolf60
    @marcwolf60 8 месяцев назад +1

    My first IBM style portable was an Olivetti M21. Very reliable beast that has several fights with lift doors.... and won :)

    • @ianburton9223
      @ianburton9223 7 месяцев назад +1

      More like a luggable than portable. I had to get a strong youngster to carry the M21 prototype around Turin airport in the early eighties. We needed publicity pictures for the Olivetti publication "The Personal Computer Magazine". I had the M10 in the same photo shoot.

  • @hypergolic8468
    @hypergolic8468 Год назад +6

    On team building and employing people on the basis of who they are, and not the paper record, an honourable mention should go to Admiral Hyman G. Rickover who built a team on that basis too. They took the reactor and made it go from a city block size to a submarine in a few years.

  • @RonJohn63
    @RonJohn63 Год назад +1

    5:06 Reminds me of IBM.
    6:37 In the US, at least, it's KAY-nen.

  • @atanumaulik7093
    @atanumaulik7093 Год назад +4

    Great informative episode as always. Any Italian computer today would have looked good. Thats one thing living in Italy has taught me.

  • @emanemanrus5835
    @emanemanrus5835 Год назад +2

    what an amazing story, that should be scripted out to become a movie (fantasizing about a Nolan movie showing different paths of life of Adriano Olivetti and Mario Tchou, and at a certain point they meet and the story goes on in a single timeline).

  • @LeleSocho
    @LeleSocho Год назад +2

    I cannot believe you actually took my suggestion to make this video seriously, i'm very grateful, thanks.

    • @giacintoboccia9386
      @giacintoboccia9386 Год назад +1

      ❤ I wrote to him about it too! Glad to see that I wasn't the only one

  • @luca7069
    @luca7069 Год назад +10

    22:47 and if the military money wasn't enough, the CIA did the rest.
    Olivetti was murdered, fair and square. You fail to mention how the CIA had an open case on him because they believed him to be a "communist" and thus a pontential Varsaw Pact conspirator who could've brought Italy to the eastern block. Also, you say that it's baffling that the governament did not intervene, but it's really simple to understand: the US didn't want competion in electronics and especially "communist-minded" competition. The fact that Olivetti was assassinated and the reason for it were well clear in Rome: saving the company would've just brought more "accidents".
    It's not cospiracy; eventually, the CIA paperwork from those will be de-classified and it will be evident to all.
    And it's not even something rare: the CIA also collaborated in the bombing of Enrico Mattei's private plane, killing him and making sure that his vision of a strong European petroleum company who could harness african and middle eastern oil never came to fruition, ensuring the domination of US Big Oil.

    • @marioboiata2403
      @marioboiata2403 Год назад +2

      Do you have sources for any of these claims?

  • @johnspencer1855
    @johnspencer1855 7 месяцев назад

    Favorite video you have put out, and I've seen quite a few.

  • @roc7880
    @roc7880 9 месяцев назад +4

    Italy was a pioneer in computing since middle ages, and indeed they just missed to be the European Sillicon or Po Valley. But finding the role of a Chonese Italian born researcher is such an unknown aspect.

  • @Jin88866
    @Jin88866 Год назад +3

    Thank you for making this video! I don't know if you made it after reading my request a couple years ago but thank you anyway 😂

  • @surferdude4487
    @surferdude4487 Год назад +4

    While I was in high school in the mid 70's, an Olivetti programmable calculator was the first machine I ever programmed.

  • @zfloflo
    @zfloflo Год назад +2

    Wrote my first program on an Olivetti A5. What a trip on memory lane!

    • @oceemal
      @oceemal Год назад

      Using BAL? I did too.

  • @danielsanichiban
    @danielsanichiban Год назад +7

    Australian Goverment offices in Canberra, maybe the department of statistics, were using Olivetti desktop machines in the mid to late 1980s, so they were still in the game up until then

  • @Schroinx
    @Schroinx Год назад +1

    Good vid. Olivetti actually came back for a while in 80s as producer of PCs, but had to close show again.

  • @gnuemacs1166
    @gnuemacs1166 Год назад +61

    Acorn wound up with 250,000 unsold machines and nearly went under, eventually being rescued by Olivetti. Sinclair sold out to "a mere barrow boy" named Alan Sugar.

    • @ominollo
      @ominollo Год назад +5

      You are right!
      ACORN was missing in this video!

    • @JVHShack
      @JVHShack Год назад +12

      So, in essence, without Olivetti's intervention, I wouldn't be typing this on my smartphone. At least a smartphone with an ARM CPU.

    • @untruenorth
      @untruenorth Год назад +2

      @yourt00bzThey brought the money. The talent was Cambridge-based.

    • @milantrcka121
      @milantrcka121 Год назад

      Shugart ???

    • @lawrencedoliveiro9104
      @lawrencedoliveiro9104 Год назад +1

      And the ARM architecture created by Acorn went on to become the most popular CPU architecture in the world.

  • @ocram2m
    @ocram2m Год назад +1

    Great content. I'm impressed. Thanks for your work

  • @OpinionatedMatt
    @OpinionatedMatt Год назад +6

    I’m Italian born and raised, majored in Economics and this is my point of view. The inability of the government to see beyond its nose is pretty much the norm and it probably will always be. You just have to watch into the number of partial welfare measures that never got into a real comprehensive system and means that the country is always running behind the latest emergency. The country has never been pioneering and the shortsightedness of the government and its people have resulted into the inability to perceive change and adapt to, very often choosing security over opportunity. It’s not even a particularly fond of entrepreneurship so even when a good idea comes around there lies the inability to transform it into a business. No wonder a good number of capable people leaves the country for the US or other European countries.

    • @jrstf
      @jrstf Год назад +1

      Other governments aren't all that different.

    • @futuristica1710
      @futuristica1710 Год назад

      @@jrstfYou’re wrong. If I compare my government in Denmark with the Italian fascist government, it’s easy for me to be happy we aren’t Italians.

    • @ianburton9223
      @ianburton9223 7 месяцев назад +1

      @@futuristica1710 I agree with @jrstf regarding other governments and I agree that many people are happy to have avoided Italian fascism. But Italian fascism was a tiny parentheses in the time line of Italian history. Every country has had regrettable periods in its history, but few people chose to characterise an entire nation based on those regrettable periods.

  • @zJericho101z
    @zJericho101z Год назад +2

    My first 486sx 33 MHz was branded Olivetti and I once saw a computer printer with Olivetti on it. That was all I knew of them untill now. Super interesting as always!

  • @robinpettit7827
    @robinpettit7827 Год назад +1

    I still have an Olivetti mechanical typewriter. I was very slightly aware of this. Glad to find this video.

  • @ArifGhostwriter
    @ArifGhostwriter 9 месяцев назад +2

    👍🏽 🇬🇧 March 2024
    Even as a self-appointed wordsmith - I _don't_ have the words to describe how fantastic this (& these) video essays are!!
    Ineffably fantastic!

  • @lawrencedoliveiro9104
    @lawrencedoliveiro9104 Год назад +1

    19:01 They do look more colourful and more appealing than the stodgy old IBM gear, you have to admit.

  • @cosimo7770
    @cosimo7770 Год назад

    Wonderful video - clearly spoken and no background 'music'. In 1960 I visited the Olivetti factory in Pozzuli, whilst studying the economic and social development of the Mezzogiorno (Southern Italy), as well as meeting with representatives of Fiat in Torino, IRI in Rome, ENI in Sicily. And in 1967-8 worked with ENEL in Rome, and with Finmare at all the Italian ports, on the feasibility of computerizing maintenance of the electrical distribution network and the national shipping operations. An unforgettable period of economic optimism. What a shame that Olivetti failed to continue to provide the means for computer advancement.

  • @RobertMurphy-sx8lc
    @RobertMurphy-sx8lc Год назад

    Olivetti was my introduction to computing. In the early 1980's I was working on a copper mine in (now) Namibia. We had just received an Olivetti P6060 - quite a large box with a 40(?) character display and 2 floppy drives. We had some problems with the software and a technician from the Olivetti agents in Windhoek and I began "de-bugging". Got it all working in the end. Then we received a HUGE removable disk drive - 5Mb !!!. This then got me into programming and writing a wages system.
    Later I bought an Olivetti M20 (?) desk-top PC for home and later for use in my own business. Quite a ride, but in the end I completed a correspondence course in programming and received my Diploma. Thanks Olivetti.

  • @ntabile
    @ntabile Год назад +5

    So this is where SGS begins. Now, SGS -Thomson or ST Microelectronics.

  • @hanshendrix1558
    @hanshendrix1558 Год назад +1

    My father used to work at ADS from Bielefeld Germany here in the Netherlands on early computers like Olivetti.

  • @EyesOfByes
    @EyesOfByes Год назад +3

    16:10 Your "that also sounds like a lot" bit is pure dry comedy gold!!

  • @lawrencedoliveiro9104
    @lawrencedoliveiro9104 Год назад

    0:11 My father had a typewriter very much like that, on which I learned to type. Note that there is no “1” key, you have to use either “l” or “I” in its place. Also no “=” character.

  • @suvetar
    @suvetar Год назад

    Fascinating insights, thank you so much foe creating and sharing this!

  • @gmt-yt
    @gmt-yt Год назад +1

    This was an excellent video, really enjoyed.

  • @darak2
    @darak2 Год назад +2

    Olivetti went to be a relevant contender in Europe during the 80s in the PC field. I remember they had a lot of brick&mortar stores across Europe (no doubt thank to their typewriter roots), produced decent PC clones and were well known for their printers. Like many other PC manufacturers, they were eventually unable to face the shrinking margins of a brutally competitive field and went bust at the late 90s, but I wouldn't say they were irrelevant after the 70s.

    • @sabinespeed4146
      @sabinespeed4146 Год назад +2

      Yeah him saying they're not relevant was a stretch. Their IBM PC clone was popular here in the states as the AT&T 6300.

  • @Fred_Klingon
    @Fred_Klingon 3 месяца назад

    What a video you made, thank you!
    Edit: about the CIA involment, if GE acquired that French company just before Olivetti, then that's strange.
    As for the Italian State not being interested into new technologies, it's something that remained until these days. Only now it's changing (maybe), but we're always behind US in terms of founding research and projects in this field.

  • @spjones463
    @spjones463 10 месяцев назад +1

    I worked for Olivetti in the 90s in the UK they built some great PCs even a small footprint laptop in many ways some of the problems they had were because their machines were to ahead of the times

  • @bruceshaw3881
    @bruceshaw3881 Год назад +4

    I was at an office that bought hundreds of Olivetti computers as low bid on a contract. They immediately started failing. I opened one up and discovered a motherboard with a spaghetti (pun intended) of jumper cables connected with cold solder joints. I spent the next year constantly soldering trying to keep them running until they were finally scrapped.

  • @zaneenaz4962
    @zaneenaz4962 Год назад

    Had to return to this very excellent presentation of the history of Olivetti and Mario Tchou. Your work is truly exceptional and i greatly appreciate your completeness and style.
    The manner of Mr. Tchou's death and the timing mirrored that of too many, especially in europe. Something more need to deliberate and help prevent.

  • @poliferroso2
    @poliferroso2 11 месяцев назад +1

    The Olivetti keyboard was spectacular!!

  • @XMarkxyz
    @XMarkxyz Год назад +6

    26:24 That's not Olivetti Headquarters but its production factory near Naples, that's important for a cultaral stand point, you can see how the well being of the workers and a beautiful workplace was held in the highest regard

  • @benjaminlai5638
    @benjaminlai5638 Год назад +3

    “The M1 no relation to the Apple Chip” - that’s just gold 😊.

  • @NepTunez-ff9bp
    @NepTunez-ff9bp 7 месяцев назад

    Such great story-telling! 🏆

  • @khairulhelmihashim2510
    @khairulhelmihashim2510 Год назад +2

    we need to look at the market situation in 1960s. While computer was touted as the future in data processing, the majority of offices and small business were still relying on typewriters to generate documents. The same situation faced by Kodak when deciding between investing in digital image technology vs downsizing the lucrative film business.

  • @NiPPonD3nZ0
    @NiPPonD3nZ0 Год назад +1

    One of the first computers I have personally used was a Olivetti PCS 486 50MHz, with 4MB of RAM, a 183MB HDD, a Sony 2x CD-ROM Drive and Windows 3.1... Awesome computer, and still longing for one like it again... I have some other Olivetti computers!

  • @jonwatkins254
    @jonwatkins254 Год назад

    Dazzled by Nostalgia. Well put. Excellent Video!

  • @DankNugs42
    @DankNugs42 Год назад +3

    LOL, I love the way you pronounced New Canaan, CT. That is the way it reads, I agree, but locals don't pronounce it that way. They say it more like you'd read cane-an, if that makes sense.

  • @martinbadoy5827
    @martinbadoy5827 Год назад +2

    I remembered a photo of the Brabham BT54 formula one car (1985), with Olivetti displayed on the side as a major sponsor

  • @HoughChuck
    @HoughChuck Год назад

    Well done! Thank you very much. I wrote my first program in 1964 on an IBM 1620. I agree there was no conspiracy. I am also guessing that in addition to the nostalgia bias you mentioned that led to over valuing Underwood there could have been the influence of the prospect of selling Olivetti products in the US under Underwood's brand name using their in place sales force. The eye opener for me is the multi-programming of the 9003. That was truly ahead of the its time.

  • @okeefer2000
    @okeefer2000 Год назад +4

    6:38 It's pronounced New "Cay Nin" Connecticut, with peace and love. This is not a criticism. Just in case you have to say it again, I want to see you say it correctly. I love your videos. I've been an avid watcher for maybe 18 months.

  • @alabamacajun7791
    @alabamacajun7791 Год назад +10

    I remember working on an Olivetti in 1980 at the school lab. It was about the size of a small microwave and would have been a micro computer at time. I don't remember the model nor could I get it to boot. It had several cards and slots like the computers from that era. I was hoping to see it but from checking I can only find models TC800 and TC1800 of the time. Interesting history since I worked on Honeywell Bull until the 1990s. Loving to history and current progress world wide.

    • @eliotmansfield
      @eliotmansfield Год назад +2

      Might of been the olivetti “line 1” range, M30 or M34 - used z8001 cpu. Used widely in UK banking back then.

  • @robertpearson8546
    @robertpearson8546 Год назад +1

    I actually had a demonstration of the P101 at Carnegie-Mellon University. By that time there were far superior machines licensed by Dietzing and Burroughs for $3500.

  • @frankcooke1692
    @frankcooke1692 Год назад +1

    Sorry, but I just remembered "Olivetti landline, Phil Olivetti speaking". RIP Chris Lilley. SOME of his characters were spot on.

  • @TheManFrayBentos
    @TheManFrayBentos Год назад +5

    In the 70s, I had an Olivetti portable typewriter. It went everywhere with me and did a huge amount of work, flawlessly.

    • @IlBiggo
      @IlBiggo Год назад

      I have a Lettera 22 I used until the early '80s, when I moved and left it at my parents'.
      I just refurbished it after a colleague gave me a new ribbon (I didn't even know they were still making those).
      I cleaned it thoroughly and greased all moving parts. It shows its age with worn-out hammers and it's a bit misaligned, but it's working nicely and it's still a beauty.

  • @puppetmark
    @puppetmark Год назад +1

    Great video and an important piece of computing history. I would love to see a film on the Matra Alice home computers. I think they came from a strange partnership between an industrial conglomerate and a publishing company.

  • @robsmith9392
    @robsmith9392 Год назад

    Lovely bit of history
    Thank you, i worked for British Olivetti starting in 1986 in London EC2 Working in the computer lab where we repaired stuff down to component level
    There was always a strong rumour that some of the issues that the company had was to do with mafia involvement, but without evidence, it was just rumours...

  • @ladronsiman1471
    @ladronsiman1471 Год назад +1

    During the 80's a friend of mine was hired to repair an Italian leather surface measuring machine ..we were digital engineers . all TTL logic .when we opened the machine to start troubleshooting .We discovered a system made of little boxes with colors and no idea how that worked ..We opened one o those little colored cubes .And i was embedded in some resin ..After cleaning with solvents ..We discovered a little pcb board with transistors and resistor. Apparently the Italians had made a complete logic circuitry with regular discrete components ,transistors ,resistors and diodes ..So we redesigned the complete logic controller using Texas instruments integrated circuits

  • @freddymarti
    @freddymarti Год назад +1

    Federico Faggin designed the first micro-chip beginning of the computer revolution.

  • @isilder
    @isilder Год назад

    This is only about Olivetti in mainframes. I had an Olivetti brand 286... ah yeah its own unique keyboard and screen connectors.. so you had to use their keyboard and screen. Oh well. It ran alright , never really tried anything but the SCSI card driving 5" scsi drive.

  • @tedlennox4365
    @tedlennox4365 Год назад +29

    I became involved with Olivetti, GE, Bull and Honeywell in the mid 70's there is plenty of mismanagement mistakes to go around and to much competition the story thru the 2000's with all these companies is a testimony to lack of focus and capabilities 😢

    • @gregandark8571
      @gregandark8571 Год назад

      Typical ITALY ..... no remorse for their loose,better this way.

    • @destructionfun2
      @destructionfun2 Год назад +2

      Have you considered doing videos telling stories of working for these companies? I personally would love to hear you talk about working at GE and Honeywell specifically.

    • @tedlennox4365
      @tedlennox4365 Год назад +3

      I would not even know where to start.. there were so many companies.. one of the first applications I wrote was in Basic for a Singer (Sewing Machine) computer.. so many languages... Hundreds... the real story is in the miss management of ALL the early computer companies and national rivals of computers made in different companies... and the destruction within companies like Honeywell / Bull and IBM who had entirely different computers from entirely different divisions within companies... and the out right dishonest actions of suppliers and customers ... although it has been documented many times... the rise and failure of Wang Laboratories on the insistence by Dr. Wang that his son take over the business ... 2 Billion in sales to nothing in a few years... nope I would not even know where to start...

  • @MattSeremet
    @MattSeremet Год назад +5

    @23:49 I go to the grocery store that sits in that former typewriter factory land. It's nice that the plaza is called "The Royal" with a typewriter design in a simple sign. Really fun how close to home (literally) this story hits.

  • @Suomencita
    @Suomencita Год назад +1

    My university computers lab had several old Olivetti cpus in the early 2000’s they worked fine despite being slow processors.

  • @ayehavgunne
    @ayehavgunne Год назад +1

    I have a couple Olivetti keyboards in my collection.

  • @fivizzano
    @fivizzano Год назад

    exceptionally well documented and executed… impressive !

  • @robertsaca3512
    @robertsaca3512 Год назад +7

    Italy has had so much innovation, not many people think of technology when they think of Itlay.
    One of their painters invented the submarine, the tank, the helicopter and much, much more.
    Incredible country with so much history. The most beautiful food, fashion, cars and language.

    • @lot6129
      @lot6129 Год назад +1

      And the telephone

    • @Udmudmudm
      @Udmudmudm 2 месяца назад

      And Guglielmo Marconi ? 😊

  • @siwi666
    @siwi666 Год назад

    fascinating and well produced doco. Love Olivetti industrial design always.