There's no way that 20th century toilet design would be a standard on a ship of this enlightened society! Jokes aside, love the computer core and control room. Brilliant portrayal of the complexity and man/machine nature of the ship. Really good callback to the postwar, all systems manned paradigm of The Original Series.
WOW! It's really coming together, and it looks fantastic. All the little details are amazing. I can't describe how awesome this is. You should be extremely proud.
That number seems good to me. Public areas like rec rooms, dining halls, and briefing rooms should have something nearby. Interested in your ideas for the bridge loo.
Indeed, and if you've got 50 crew in the rec area of deck 8 you want easy access to a toilet, no queuing or waiting. Absolutely with the briefing rooms too, you need something nearby. Great comment, thanks!
You know I've always wondered about the undercut on the underside of the saucer section. It's always seemed like an odd design thing. I've also always wondered how people got out to the lower deck, but seeing how there's enough room for a walkway makes perfect sense now.
Great video...I love your progress....I took the liberty of looking into your bathroom situation and found this little clip of a paragraph...Hope it helps.In the fictional universe of Star Trek, the Constitution-class starships, like the USS Enterprise, had shared bathrooms for crew quarters, with two rooms typically sharing one bathroom1. If we were to apply a similar ratio, a starship with 430 crew members might need around 215 bathrooms, assuming each bathroom is shared by two crew members. However, for practical and comfort reasons, a more realistic estimate might be fewer bathrooms with a higher sharing ratio, similar to modern naval ships or large commercial aircraft. A reasonable estimate might be around 40-50 bathrooms, ensuring accessibility and convenience without taking up excessive space.
For what it's worth, every tabletop gaming map I've seen of the Enterprise has crew heads with toilets in one form or another. As long as they fit in aesthetically, I don't see a problem here.
Don't forget that several episodes of TOS and other series, had guests, diplomats and even were evacuation transports at times. So, there will be a need to have rooms and "facilities" for those exceptions as well.
The computer core room looks AMAZING! If you designed this yourself, you're a fantastic designer. If you can, it's always good if you can point out which rooms are based on an existing design, and which rooms you designed yourself. 🙂
Great input and a good idea to highlight which areas I've designed and which come directly from what we saw on the show! The computer core is my own design and I'm looking forward to fleshing it out further up on deck 6!
Are you going to show a waste management system ? I think they must have utilized everything !! I agree. Probably, most lower ranked crew shared a bathroom. But I also think maybe it was just room size and amenities for the higher ranked. Keep up the wonderful work !!!
Thanks! No, I'm not going to show a waste management system, it's all fiction so I'm just creating a believable environment within the familiar confines of the external ship. I'm not trying to actually build it for real.
Only one! Legend has it that Khan was standing in line to the loo when Chekov came out after a frustratingly long wait, which explains why Khan remembered him on Ceti Alpha 5 :P As to the actual number, I always felt with the FJ plans that having a bathroom for each crew member seemed excessive -- I work on an office of 105 people and we have ready access to seven bathrooms on our floor (three men's, three women's, one unisex) and they've always seemed sufficient. I think we're used to seeing every home having a bathroom (necessarily) and FJ just translated the "home" into individual crew quarters, dragging the individual bathrooms along with it.
They likely would use water as we do presently on Earth. However there would be a great deal of real estate involved in the piping, handling,refining and redistribution and final product of the waste and water products. Not sure 500 would be needed though. I'd say more like 300 because I believe enlisted personnel decks shared toiletries section by section but hey who am I too say. I wonder what color shirt is for Plumbing and Water? Great Work!
These models are superb ,well done it gives sense of just how big the old series enterprise really is,,that being said , the galaxy class in the next generation is more than twice the size of this ship. . If you sold plans to make this model like you have ,they would sell 😆
as a practical matter, I have a couple thoughts regarding the first bathroom you showed in sick bay. It would make more sense to have the toilet on the bulkhead wall, as plumbing facilities on earth are typically put into the largest available structures where they can be aligned to a central location-- a main stack, with as many toilets integrated on it as practical. Also along those lines, it would also be more spacious to turn the sink area 90° so that it feels that shorter wall at the end of the room, so that when walking into the bathroom, the sink would be fully on your left and the toilet straight ahead.
In the digitally re-imaged USS Enterprise blueprints, the enlisted crew cabins were in pairs. Each standard crew cabin was linked to another by a center shared office space. Each cabin held 2 occupants with a lavatory that had 2 toilet stalls, 2 sinks, a bath tub and separate shower. So, for every 4 crew members there were 4 toilets, 4 sinks, 2 bath tubs and 2 showers. The lavatories were on opposite ends of the linked cabins. Senior officers had there own stateroom with private lavatory. There is no defined number of officers aboard a Constitution class starship, but I think it is safe to assume that of the 430 or so members, 8% are senior and junior officers. This would produce a number somewhere around 232 toilets. Taking into account guest quarters for visiting diplomats, recreation facilities, logistical facilities, etc., I think it safe to say that no more than 320 toilets would be necessary.
Just discovered your channel and build! Fantastic! Would you be able to show off the warp nacelle interior build at all? I’m actually recreating this Enterprise in Doom 2 and it’s the one area I can’t find decent reference images for. I can find plenty for the actual warp coils, but it’s the access routes for the crew that’s been hard to find. Even if you can’t show off the nacelles details, I commend you on such an awesome build!!!! It’s looking amazing!!!!
Wow, what a project! Respectfully, it's harder to understand you since the microphone is across the room on your camera. You could use one of those portable blue tooth microphones and clip it to your shirt. :)
I love your ginormous Enterprise. A couple of observations. I'm not certain if you're going to focus on the plumbing, however creating a waste-disposal system will effect how many toilets a vintage Constitution call star ship will have. One extreme idea would be to incorporate uni-sex urinals in the public waste facilities. That possibly cut down on the engineering cost of waste recycling systems. Of im interested on how you you deal with the life support necessary to keep 430 crew members alive and healthy.
Some prolific work! Clearly you've thought about this... but to answer your question, it seems 550 toilets would be an appropriate number given that there are 24 decks with as few as 1 toilet per deck, as in the dorsal section or up to 9 toilets for a deck as expansive as the saucer section, we could go with an average of 5 toilets per deck , so, 120 + 428 or 430 = 548 or 550 toilets total... based on a crew compliment of 428 or 430.
The Franz Joseph plans have 356 toilets (358 if you count the two in the Plan Symbols on Sht12), including those in places like Sickbay, Engineering, Science Labs, Brig, and random TL rooms all over the ship. CORRECTION: 355, there's a duplicate on Sht6, one on the Bridge and a duplicate in the enlarged Bridge plan. But the Franz Joseph plans have a lot of dual and quad cabins for crew, with shared bathrooms, so in some cases up to four crew people will share a bathroom with two toilets in it. If your model is going to have a private cabin with private bathroom for each of the 430 crew, then you'll probably end up with close to 500 toilets.
550 is about right. Officers will have a private one. Rest will probably share between two cabins. There will be some spread out thru the rest of the ship. They probably will have some scrubbing/cleaning tech so that they don't need to use excess water or toilet paper and operate on suction. With Starfleet tech it will definitely reconstitute all the waste (especially the water) on the molecular level and reuse much of it. (We reuse most of the water on ISS).
Okay... so I see the toilets and you have a hand basin in the washroom... But no candles? Always light a candle after. That computer core is excellent.
from a current level of technology standpoint, i would think that a bathroom of the future would have a high-resolution screen to serve as a mirror, but also maybe to be able to determine your temperature. i envision toilets to be fold-down, inside a shallow basin there would be some kind of field to instantly break-down waste and have that vented away after 'flashing' the field on your backside. otherwise, there would have to be a pretty sizable gray and black water reclamation section. in the future, i could see that being a pretty high-tech method of filtration which you'd have to have on long voyages. water storage would have to be huge, it's not like on an aircraft carrier. the problem is you can't substitute water in humans, we have to have it, it's not a vitamin pill we can take. that's always the problem with sci-fi ships, rarely are daily human functions represented. we have to eat, use the bathroom, have a sink, make food, wash our clothes, shave, take a shower, have cleaning supplies.... i mean, where are the laundries on the enterprise, or do they just stick their clothes into a magic box and it gets clean instantly? a lot of interesting aspects of life on a starship can be gleamed from how aircraft carriers and real-life living in space works. how does temperature control even work in space? there has to be a ventilation/life support system and a hot water method that doesn't break the laws of thermo dynamics. the only time we ever see a vent in sci-fi is when they need to have smoke come out of it, lol.
Aesthetically in a powder room the toilet should face the sink. You shouldn't have to wedge yourself in to get to a sink OR have both side by side. Whichever is more pleasing to the user. Really well done my man!
I like the idea of each crewmember with their own room but that does seem like a lot of rooms. Perhaps, anyone with a rank lower than a Yeoman would rate two people to a room, then those two people could share their bathroom. Then all you’d need to do is discover how many crew would be sharing a room for two. But if you’ve got the room to host one room per crewmember, why not? It’s the future where the toilets don’t have to flush all the waste material anywhere. Instead of a flushing mechanism on the toilets, there is a button which automatically transports the waste into space where it doesn’t reconstitute it into matter but leaves it as separate, individual atoms. Clean and efficient! 14:48
Has any Star Trek show mentioned or shown a toilet? The only time I recall is DS9 and Rom says he’s going to waste extraction. But I haven’t watched any of the new shows. Love how it’s all coming along. Hopefully a company will send you a 3D printer to help you 🤞🏻
I think it’s a massive testament to your skill that I have difficulty knowing if I am looking at the 1:25 or the 1:100, so,times it’s hard to tell. Also, please add a few toilets right at the front of the dorsal section decks facing forward….. poor with a view 😂
good job, andrew. that raises an interesting question, though: what can subscribers build and send to you to help your project? i mean, sometimes someone doing a lot of the busy work has to be better than getting a donation, no?
Thanks! Andrew nailed the hardest part with regards to 'difficult to make' parts like the burke chair and monitor screens. Other than that donations are the way to go.
Keep in mind that the events of "The Cage" -- which takes place some 13 years before "The Menagerie" -- involved Captain Pike being responsible for 203 lives, presumably meaning that there are 204 people on the Enterprise (including Pike himself) then. During Kirk's 5-Year Mission, there were 430 people aboard the Enterprise -- more than twice the crew complement during Pike's command of this same ship. I should think that the number of toilets in that former era would have been planned for the services of a 204-person crew, rather than the latter 430-person crew under Kirk's command. Unless Star Fleet had long-term plans to eventually send Constitution-Class ships out with crews of 430, yet initially only had 204 aboard, then I would suggest that each crew member might very well have a toilet all their own, in their crew quarters, with other restrooms located throughout the ship to be available when on-duty (say, with Main Engineering having a 'Head' with upwards of 5 toilets, like one might find in an airport bathroom, etc.) and/or for the use of visiting dignitaries and/or refugees being ferried from danger zones to the nearest Starbase, that sort of thing. I don't think they'd need anywhere near 500 toilets aboard the Enterprise. In fact, it's doubtful that each crewmember would be assigned a toilet of their own -- as most of the ordinary crewmembers (i.e. those who aren't Officers) would probably each have their own crew Quarters yet two would share a bathroom, their duty shifts being staggered so that each works an 8-hour shift during an average 24-hour day, with both being off-duty together during that 3rd 8-hour shift. How many Navy personnel get a toilet all to themselves in any modern-day navy? I could see the Officers getting their own exclusive 'Head' w/ private toilet, but the ordinary crewmembers would most probably be sharing a toilet. Things MIGHT be more luxurious in the 23rd Century for ship personnel, but extrapolating current naval ships with imagined future navies suggests to me that the experience for the average cadet or ensign would probably be similar. I'd say the Enterprise wouldn't really need more than, say, 300 toilets in total. About half to 2/3rds of them for private use in crew quarters, and the remaining 1/3rd to 1/2 of them being for each Department's use, as well as for the Brig's cells, etc. But 500+ toilets? That'd be overkill, I should think. Offhand, I can't remember how many toilets there were in the Franz Joseph blueprints, but if I'm not mistaken it was nowhere near 500.
After the first pilot the ship's size was increased from around 500 feet to near 1000. It was decided she was just too small, hence why the bridge module is notably smaller in series; to clearly alter the scale. Since the ship couldn't really double in size (unless you're a tool like JJ Abrams) that original crew compliment is one of these things that's conveniently dismissed...
@@scottysgarage4393 True - and if people really want to justify it, there is nothing to prove that Captain Pike was in fact running at full compliment. He may have been running a skeleton crew for some (story) reason during that particular week.
@@scottysgarage4393 Wouldn't the apparent size of the ship be relative to the number of decks it has? And doesn't the filming model of the ship still retain the number of decks due to the visible windows seen on its hulls and the dorsal 'neck'? I don't recall ever hearing the dimensions of the ship mentioned in "The Cage" -- or in any of the TOS episodes made afterwards. If the ship had supposedly increased by twice the dimensions -- from ~ 500 feet to nearly 1,000 feet, as you say -- then there should have been nearly twice as many decks seen, as witnessed by the arrays of windows seen on the ship's exterior. Also, the shuttlecraft hangar design -- as depicted in THE MAKING OF STAR TREK -- necessitates the larger size of the entire ship; I just don't see that part of the ship (as you infer regarding the 1st pilot) being originally conceived to be half as big and then later increased to what it is seen to be in TOS. Sorry, but I have to be skeptical of your claims in this regard.
@@patricktilton5377 You can be as skeptical as you want but it's discussed in Whitfield & Roddenberry's "The Making of Star Trek" (Ballantine, 1973). The bridge module was altered to address the scale issue. Nothing else was changed because no other dimensions had been established. OTOH, deck scaling fr the ToS and refit Enterprise have always been an issue and my head-canon since I was maybe 8 years old has insisted Enterprise was 1200 feet. Windows to deck dimensions and some other things just fit better then.
Space on the original Enterprise was something of a premium As a result, the bathroom facilities were likely much more compact for the crew quarters, even though they might take up as much area as in your design. I could picture the facilities in common areas such as the recreation deck or engineering to closer resemble western public restrooms or even smart port-a-potties like they have in many countries, however. From blueprints, we know there's a restroom for the bridge crew, and every major facility would likely have at least one toilet, possibly two. I would imagine they'd be unisex with the possible exception of the recreation deck (in the event it uses stalls instead of booths). It's very probable that the crew toilets here would be similar to that of those in Japanese micro apartments. For such bathrooms, the sink and cabinet front swings away to reveal the toilet underneath. Not only is this aesthetically pleasing, you can fit the same amount of "stuff" in a smaller place. A perfect example of this can be found in this apartment tour: ruclips.net/video/7Hey_DdjmE0/видео.html As this is the future, toilet paper has most likely been replaced completely by bidets, which are less wasteful. Nobody wants a shortage in the middle of a week-long warp jump to the nearest starbase! Oddly enough, in the Star Wars novels (pre-Disney), there's discussion of just such a setup in the Millennium Falcon. Han added a kitchenette in the crew quarters for Leia as a wedding present, and the toilet was hidden underneath. Of course, in blueprints of the ship set before their marriage, the toilet was closed off in a small WC just to the side of the crew quarters door. Beyond the obvious time savings of using these smaller toilet/sink combos for the crew quarters (less to model), it would also make sense for these rooms to include their own miniature water recycling units. We know that by TNG, the crew used sonic showers exclusively, but in Enterprise they still had water showers, so the 1701 was probably somewhere in the transition period with sonic showers in the recreation or work areas and water showers for private and/or officer use. By shrinking the crew quarters' bathrooms to include private water recyc units, it would make shower/saunas more feasible. Solid waste matter would be shipped through pipes between decks to the main waste units where it would be broken down into things like fertilizer or materials for early replicators (maybe you'll think twice before ordering that replicated burger next time...). The bottom of this control system may even be a personal washing machine, which is a staple in bathrooms across Asia. I could picture the crew doing small loads of laundry in their quarters while sending larger loads in marked bags to the ship's laundry. With the space available, these smaller loads would likely be dried on heated wall-mounted racks in the bathroom itself. I could also picture the recyc cabinet having controls for the crew member to adjust water temperature, flow, etc. Some of the most modern bathrooms in Japan, former Soviet nations, and wealthier areas of Europe have entire control panels for the bathrooms (or even just the smart toilets). In some of the more upscale Post-Soviet apartment buildings, you'll even find small backup water heaters attached horizontally to the upper wall and ceiling to feed the shower during maintenance periods.
Question on the lowest Recreation Garden Deck. In the movies the Torpedoes are fired from a room on the "neck" in the enlarged launcher area. However, in the Original Series, They appear to be fired from the area that you have as a Recreation area. There are no Torpedo Room Launchers or Torpedo Storage areas in the area. Where Are the torpedoes?
Thanks for the question. The garden deck 'Central Park' is located on deck 9, torpedo generator and phaser control will be located on decks 10 and 11. In the show we saw the phasers fire and torpedos launch from deck 11.
Definitely less than 100 toilets outside crew quarters. I would figure something more like 1 per 10 staff on duty, and only a third of the crew are on duty at any time, so really you are looking at just a couple of bathrooms on each deck. Maybe a few extra around rec areas where large numbers of off duty personnel will gather.
Common rule of thumb is 1 toilet per 10 people for public toilets, the actual number of stalls of c. varies depending on how busy a it is in general (a bar, shopping mall, school etc.) but let's say 3-4 public stalls per deck and a 1 in crew quarters, also toilets would be dry, waste burning toilets with a gas vent not water closets and with this being star trek all waste (fecal and otherwise) would likely be atomized after flushing and recycled for the replicators this means that somewhere in the engineering there also has to be a waste treatment facility.
@@petrirantavalli859 Yes given the setting logically it could be something based on the transporter technology, to beam waste up and reassemble it as basic atoms of carbon and water etc. which go into storage.
I wonder if you could inquire as to how many bathrooms are on an aircraft carrier. Otherwise it sounds reasonable what you have come up with. Really enjoying how this is coming along,
@@DrWhom Mad Magazine in one of their Spoofs of TOS contained Spock saying something about a Woman’s Planet being a Nudist Colony. In another there was a reference to someone couldn’t believe his (Mister Spock’s) ears…occurs in the Trouble of Tribbles. Also, TOS movie Star Trek III made an oblique reference to an alien ship captain when McCoy attempted to illegally go to planet Genesis. Alien: Genesis? McCoy: Yes, Genesis! How can you be deaf with ears like that?
Presumably in busy area's of the ship there'll be the equivalent of public toilets, multiple cubicles for,, ahem,,, whatever your evacuating with a common hand washing area. So 3 or 4 of that 550 toilets number will be in one room.
If everyone has their own private bedroom (not sure if that's what you're planning, I could see the enlisted sharing a room with 2 or 3 others, they could use a single toilet) that's a certain number, plus you'd have others throughout the ship. One time out of curiosity I called one of those port-a-potty companies and asked how do they figure out how many portables for a given outdoor event...they told me 1 port-a-potty per 10 people for a week. (A Starship of course would not need a truck to show up and empty the waste system) We could then figure 1 toilet per 10 people, scattered throughout the ship. That's 44 more, in addition to the bedroom toilets. 40 officers = 40 toilets 400 enlisted = average of 3 people per room, = 134 toilets 44 scattered = 44 = 218 More or less, but probably just a little bit more, maybe 250. Just my guess, hope this helps.
You're probably not far off with 550 WC/urinals. Assuming 420 standard crew compliment with lower ranks sharing a room (doubling up) that would make something like 250 crew quarters. Now add 50 VIP guest quarters (Journey to Babel episode). Of course there will need to be convenience WC's through out the ship as it won't always be practical to run from the engineering section or the Hanger Bay to spend a penny. The mess hall will also require WC's as well as the recreation areas. And if the Enterprise is providing evacuation services for refugees or moving troops, they would have to be accommodated. So, yah, 550 might be spot on. Another reference is to look at plans for cruise ships or aircraft carriers or battleships. That would be excellent references for a WC count.
@@mrtrek2117 Journey to Babel - 114 delegates with two aids each, so 230 cabins for them... Not to mention the catering staff required. I do find it amusing that by season three, budget cuts at Starfleet/Desilu required Uhura to give up her private quarters to the Dolman of Elas... yah? Ambassador Petry hung out in Sick Bay, but I don't know where the Dolmans two goons were housed... ST-TOS; it wasn't always consistent.
That's been covered in other videos, Mr Trek has rightly concluded that the ship can offer full space to every human, and would need for their mental health given the length of the missions. So no 'Star Trek: Lower Decks'-style bunks for the lowest ranking personnel. I also think that if humanity has made any steps forward by this time period - this would be the right thing to do. And given there is on-screen evidence to the contrary from TOS - why not?
On the Enterprise D, which is a cruise-liner as much as it is a military vessel, I would accept the idea of ensuites for every crewmember, but for the original Enterprise, I would expect that restrooms would be shared amongst multiple people. Something like 25 toilets for 400 crew would be more logical.
I think in public rooms like sickbay, there should be at least two toilets for different genders. And large recreational areas like Central Park should have some sort of public restrooms.
Haha. The ever elusive 1960'a toilets. 😊 I have to chime in here as well. Great idea but I do think 500 may be a bit overkill. That is 1 bathroom per person plus 80 extra. The ship is not that big to where a bathroom would not be close by. But otherwise you are doing an awesome job. One last thing. Did you do the observation deck that Kirk and Lenore were conversing in Conscience of The King? I always loved that set and sadly it was used one time.
It was said the Enterprise D had hundreds of toilets on board, and that the waste was dissolved instantly. Then it was processed to be used in making other things in a recycling. I think even one of the characters even mentions it at one point in the show 🤷♂️
Don’t forget to include the Captain’s Log 😂🇬🇧🙏
You're an absolute mad man...and I absolutely love it.
This needs to exist in the world. Keep up the amazing work
That really is amazing! I'd imagine making all those toilets left you rather flushed. Thanks for the video. :)
There's no way that 20th century toilet design would be a standard on a ship of this enlightened society!
Jokes aside, love the computer core and control room. Brilliant portrayal of the complexity and man/machine nature of the ship. Really good callback to the postwar, all systems manned paradigm of The Original Series.
Looking incredible!
Just the 1/100 th scale model is mind blowing in itself.. it honestly boggles my mind as to how this will scale up to 1/25th scale, amazing work !
Thanks Paul, indeed the 1:25 scale is going to be off the charts!
WOW! It's really coming together, and it looks fantastic. All the little details are amazing. I can't describe how awesome this is. You should be extremely proud.
Mr Trek. An artist and poet. 🤭
That number seems good to me. Public areas like rec rooms, dining halls, and briefing rooms should have something nearby. Interested in your ideas for the bridge loo.
Indeed, and if you've got 50 crew in the rec area of deck 8 you want easy access to a toilet, no queuing or waiting. Absolutely with the briefing rooms too, you need something nearby. Great comment, thanks!
This is such a supremely cool project you're working on. I've been a Trek fan forever.
You know I've always wondered about the undercut on the underside of the saucer section. It's always seemed like an odd design thing. I've also always wondered how people got out to the lower deck, but seeing how there's enough room for a walkway makes perfect sense now.
You can never have too many toilets!😂🚽🚽
Great video...I love your progress....I took the liberty of looking into your bathroom situation and found this little clip of a paragraph...Hope it helps.In the fictional universe of Star Trek, the Constitution-class starships, like the USS Enterprise, had shared bathrooms for crew quarters, with two rooms typically sharing one bathroom1. If we were to apply a similar ratio, a starship with 430 crew members might need around 215 bathrooms, assuming each bathroom is shared by two crew members.
However, for practical and comfort reasons, a more realistic estimate might be fewer bathrooms with a higher sharing ratio, similar to modern naval ships or large commercial aircraft. A reasonable estimate might be around 40-50 bathrooms, ensuring accessibility and convenience without taking up excessive space.
It’e so epic!!! All those tiny details!
Thanks Hanne!
Great work.
Those bird chairs! What a kindness that he sent you some!!
Incredible! 😁❤️❤️❤️
The TOS blueprints has toilets. No Klingons…
Of course starships need toilets, lots of them. We actually got to see a public toilet on Babylon 5 in that Sci-Fi series.
To go where no man has gone before
The ladies' room?
Gosh I have no real words, just don't, stop I love, it
Don’t forget the 3 sea shells, no future toilet is complete without them 😉
I never thought about, that so it makes sense, you added, that. Your call.
It’s amazing how you have two different Scales going on simultaneously!!! Your Amazing Brother
The more bathrooms the better, an sadly overlooked part of sci-fi. Defiantly needed for when your morning raktajino says good afternoon
Review the movie brig scene where scotty breaks into the brig to save kirk and bones. Kirk needs to sit down. Guest on what!
Awesome, you answer questions I asked myself since 52 years ;))
For what it's worth, every tabletop gaming map I've seen of the Enterprise has crew heads with toilets in one form or another. As long as they fit in aesthetically, I don't see a problem here.
Almost 20k subs. Fascinating!
Don't forget that several episodes of TOS and other series, had guests, diplomats and even were evacuation transports at times. So, there will be a need to have rooms and "facilities" for those exceptions as well.
Excelent job.
Thank you!
The computer core room looks AMAZING! If you designed this yourself, you're a fantastic designer. If you can, it's always good if you can point out which rooms are based on an existing design, and which rooms you designed yourself. 🙂
Great input and a good idea to highlight which areas I've designed and which come directly from what we saw on the show! The computer core is my own design and I'm looking forward to fleshing it out further up on deck 6!
@@mrtrek2117 You're a legend mate!
More than only one 🚽 in the crew quarter , because when you're in an area far away on the ship you need a quick solution.😊
Awesome MrTrek. Happy to be a new patreon.
Thank you, and huge thanks for supporting the project on Patreon! Welcome aboard the USS Enterprise!
Are you going to show a waste management system ? I think they must have utilized everything !! I agree. Probably, most lower ranked crew shared a bathroom. But I also think maybe it was just room size and amenities for the higher ranked. Keep up the wonderful work !!!
Thanks! No, I'm not going to show a waste management system, it's all fiction so I'm just creating a believable environment within the familiar confines of the external ship. I'm not trying to actually build it for real.
I kind of thought so, but it would have to be pretty efficient.
Your awsome, I always look, forward to your, updates.
Michael.
Love the computer core!
There's a joke about "boldly going" in there somewhere.
It's on the thumbnail.
Only one! Legend has it that Khan was standing in line to the loo when Chekov came out after a frustratingly long wait, which explains why Khan remembered him on Ceti Alpha 5 :P
As to the actual number, I always felt with the FJ plans that having a bathroom for each crew member seemed excessive -- I work on an office of 105 people and we have ready access to seven bathrooms on our floor (three men's, three women's, one unisex) and they've always seemed sufficient. I think we're used to seeing every home having a bathroom (necessarily) and FJ just translated the "home" into individual crew quarters, dragging the individual bathrooms along with it.
When you gotta go, you gotta go, boldly or otherwise.
LOL
They likely would use water as we do presently on Earth. However there would be a great deal of real estate involved in the piping, handling,refining and redistribution and final product of the waste and water products. Not sure 500 would be needed though. I'd say more like 300 because I believe enlisted personnel decks shared toiletries section by section but hey who am I too say. I wonder what color shirt is for Plumbing and Water? Great Work!
Keep up the great work!
These models are superb ,well done it gives sense of just how big the old series enterprise really is,,that being said , the galaxy class in the next generation is more than twice the size of this ship. . If you sold plans to make this model like you have ,they would sell 😆
Thanks, but I have absolutely no interest in the D.
perfect # of toilets
as a practical matter, I have a couple thoughts regarding the first bathroom you showed in sick bay. It would make more sense to have the toilet on the bulkhead wall, as plumbing facilities on earth are typically put into the largest available structures where they can be aligned to a central location-- a main stack, with as many toilets integrated on it as practical. Also along those lines, it would also be more spacious to turn the sink area 90° so that it feels that shorter wall at the end of the room, so that when walking into the bathroom, the sink would be fully on your left and the toilet straight ahead.
Good thing they figured out Earth gravity on board😂 Photon Torpedoes!
In the digitally re-imaged USS Enterprise blueprints, the enlisted crew cabins were in pairs. Each standard crew cabin was linked to another by a center shared office space. Each cabin held 2 occupants with a lavatory that had 2 toilet stalls, 2 sinks, a bath tub and separate shower. So, for every 4 crew members there were 4 toilets, 4 sinks, 2 bath tubs and 2 showers. The lavatories were on opposite ends of the linked cabins. Senior officers had there own stateroom with private lavatory. There is no defined number of officers aboard a Constitution class starship, but I think it is safe to assume that of the 430 or so members, 8% are senior and junior officers. This would produce a number somewhere around 232 toilets.
Taking into account guest quarters for visiting diplomats, recreation facilities, logistical facilities, etc., I think it safe to say that no more than 320 toilets would be necessary.
I would not want to share a bathroom for five solid years.
Sorry, bathtubs are overkill unless you’re in an over-large NG ship. The common wet wall idea makes sense.
So cool, I look forward, to the, finish, product, someday.
I'm not looking through all the comments to find the Captain's log jokes.
I just found one. 💩
Make sure you scrape off the Klingons. I wonder if they have the three seashells.
Just discovered your channel and build! Fantastic! Would you be able to show off the warp nacelle interior build at all?
I’m actually recreating this Enterprise in Doom 2 and it’s the one area I can’t find decent reference images for. I can find plenty for the actual warp coils, but it’s the access routes for the crew that’s been hard to find.
Even if you can’t show off the nacelles details, I commend you on such an awesome build!!!! It’s looking amazing!!!!
Wow, what a project!
Respectfully, it's harder to understand you since the microphone is across the room on your camera. You could use one of those portable blue tooth microphones and clip it to your shirt. :)
I love your ginormous Enterprise. A couple of observations. I'm not certain if you're going to focus on the plumbing, however creating a waste-disposal system will effect how many toilets a vintage Constitution call star ship will have. One extreme idea would be to incorporate uni-sex urinals in the public waste facilities. That possibly cut down on the engineering cost of waste recycling systems. Of im interested on how you you deal with the life support necessary to keep 430 crew members alive and healthy.
Thanks! I won't be doing any plumbing or life-support, that's all up to the imagination.
Mr Trek, that’s a lot of shitters! I bet they used sonic loos.
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Some prolific work! Clearly you've thought about this... but to answer your question, it seems 550 toilets would be an appropriate number given
that there are 24 decks with as few as 1 toilet per deck, as in the dorsal section or up to 9 toilets for a deck as expansive as the saucer section,
we could go with an average of 5 toilets per deck , so, 120 + 428 or 430 = 548 or 550 toilets total... based on a crew compliment of 428 or 430.
The Franz Joseph plans have 356 toilets (358 if you count the two in the Plan Symbols on Sht12), including those in places like Sickbay, Engineering, Science Labs, Brig, and random TL rooms all over the ship.
CORRECTION: 355, there's a duplicate on Sht6, one on the Bridge and a duplicate in the enlarged Bridge plan.
But the Franz Joseph plans have a lot of dual and quad cabins for crew, with shared bathrooms, so in some cases up to four crew people will share a bathroom with two toilets in it. If your model is going to have a private cabin with private bathroom for each of the 430 crew, then you'll probably end up with close to 500 toilets.
That's a huge bog for the Sickbay
There's plenty of toilets just make sure the bridge has a couple too
550 is about right. Officers will have a private one. Rest will probably share between two cabins. There will be some spread out thru the rest of the ship. They probably will have some scrubbing/cleaning tech so that they don't need to use excess water or toilet paper and operate on suction. With Starfleet tech it will definitely reconstitute all the waste (especially the water) on the molecular level and reuse much of it. (We reuse most of the water on ISS).
They don't use toilet paper....they use the three sea shells. ;-)
Okay... so I see the toilets and you have a hand basin in the washroom... But no candles? Always light a candle after.
That computer core is excellent.
from a current level of technology standpoint, i would think that a bathroom of the future would have a high-resolution screen to serve as a mirror, but also maybe to be able to determine your temperature.
i envision toilets to be fold-down, inside a shallow basin there would be some kind of field to instantly break-down waste and have that vented away after 'flashing' the field on your backside. otherwise, there would have to be a pretty sizable gray and black water reclamation section. in the future, i could see that being a pretty high-tech method of filtration which you'd have to have on long voyages. water storage would have to be huge, it's not like on an aircraft carrier. the problem is you can't substitute water in humans, we have to have it, it's not a vitamin pill we can take.
that's always the problem with sci-fi ships, rarely are daily human functions represented. we have to eat, use the bathroom, have a sink, make food, wash our clothes, shave, take a shower, have cleaning supplies.... i mean, where are the laundries on the enterprise, or do they just stick their clothes into a magic box and it gets clean instantly?
a lot of interesting aspects of life on a starship can be gleamed from how aircraft carriers and real-life living in space works. how does temperature control even work in space? there has to be a ventilation/life support system and a hot water method that doesn't break the laws of thermo dynamics. the only time we ever see a vent in sci-fi is when they need to have smoke come out of it, lol.
I can just hear Scotty Saying “ I’ve Got To find A Toilet 🚽! And I’m giving it all I’ve Got ! … “
Aesthetically in a powder room the toilet should face the sink. You shouldn't have to wedge yourself in to get to a sink OR have both side by side.
Whichever is more pleasing to the user.
Really well done my man!
I like the idea of each crewmember with their own room but that does seem like a lot of rooms. Perhaps, anyone with a rank lower than a Yeoman would rate two people to a room, then those two people could share their bathroom. Then all you’d need to do is discover how many crew would be sharing a room for two. But if you’ve got the room to host one room per crewmember, why not?
It’s the future where the toilets don’t have to flush all the waste material anywhere. Instead of a flushing mechanism on the toilets, there is a button which automatically transports the waste into space where it doesn’t reconstitute it into matter but leaves it as separate, individual atoms. Clean and efficient! 14:48
Great comment, thanks for the input!
Has any Star Trek show mentioned or shown a toilet? The only time I recall is DS9 and Rom says he’s going to waste extraction. But I haven’t watched any of the new shows.
Love how it’s all coming along. Hopefully a company will send you a 3D printer to help you 🤞🏻
In star trek 5, Kirk sits on the toilet in the brig cell.
I'm not sure if I'd want to go to a bathroom that is called "waste extraction." 😱
@@Name-ps9fx it does conjure up some vision of pipes and suction being used 😂
In Enterprise there several mentions of toilets. In First Contact, Zefram asked Geordi if they ever had to pee in the 24th century.
Imagine all the plumbing and conduits and electric wiring and i imagine fiber optics etc. Insane amount of engineering if it were to be real.
I think it’s a massive testament to your skill that I have difficulty knowing if I am looking at the 1:25 or the 1:100, so,times it’s hard to tell.
Also, please add a few toilets right at the front of the dorsal section decks facing forward….. poor with a view 😂
good job, andrew. that raises an interesting question, though: what can subscribers build and send to you to help your project? i mean, sometimes someone doing a lot of the busy work has to be better than getting a donation, no?
Thanks! Andrew nailed the hardest part with regards to 'difficult to make' parts like the burke chair and monitor screens. Other than that donations are the way to go.
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Keep in mind that the events of "The Cage" -- which takes place some 13 years before "The Menagerie" -- involved Captain Pike being responsible for 203 lives, presumably meaning that there are 204 people on the Enterprise (including Pike himself) then. During Kirk's 5-Year Mission, there were 430 people aboard the Enterprise -- more than twice the crew complement during Pike's command of this same ship. I should think that the number of toilets in that former era would have been planned for the services of a 204-person crew, rather than the latter 430-person crew under Kirk's command.
Unless Star Fleet had long-term plans to eventually send Constitution-Class ships out with crews of 430, yet initially only had 204 aboard, then I would suggest that each crew member might very well have a toilet all their own, in their crew quarters, with other restrooms located throughout the ship to be available when on-duty (say, with Main Engineering having a 'Head' with upwards of 5 toilets, like one might find in an airport bathroom, etc.) and/or for the use of visiting dignitaries and/or refugees being ferried from danger zones to the nearest Starbase, that sort of thing.
I don't think they'd need anywhere near 500 toilets aboard the Enterprise. In fact, it's doubtful that each crewmember would be assigned a toilet of their own -- as most of the ordinary crewmembers (i.e. those who aren't Officers) would probably each have their own crew Quarters yet two would share a bathroom, their duty shifts being staggered so that each works an 8-hour shift during an average 24-hour day, with both being off-duty together during that 3rd 8-hour shift.
How many Navy personnel get a toilet all to themselves in any modern-day navy? I could see the Officers getting their own exclusive 'Head' w/ private toilet, but the ordinary crewmembers would most probably be sharing a toilet. Things MIGHT be more luxurious in the 23rd Century for ship personnel, but extrapolating current naval ships with imagined future navies suggests to me that the experience for the average cadet or ensign would probably be similar.
I'd say the Enterprise wouldn't really need more than, say, 300 toilets in total. About half to 2/3rds of them for private use in crew quarters, and the remaining 1/3rd to 1/2 of them being for each Department's use, as well as for the Brig's cells, etc.
But 500+ toilets? That'd be overkill, I should think. Offhand, I can't remember how many toilets there were in the Franz Joseph blueprints, but if I'm not mistaken it was nowhere near 500.
After the first pilot the ship's size was increased from around 500 feet to near 1000. It was decided she was just too small, hence why the bridge module is notably smaller in series; to clearly alter the scale. Since the ship couldn't really double in size (unless you're a tool like JJ Abrams) that original crew compliment is one of these things that's conveniently dismissed...
@@scottysgarage4393 True - and if people really want to justify it, there is nothing to prove that Captain Pike was in fact running at full compliment. He may have been running a skeleton crew for some (story) reason during that particular week.
@@scottysgarage4393 Wouldn't the apparent size of the ship be relative to the number of decks it has? And doesn't the filming model of the ship still retain the number of decks due to the visible windows seen on its hulls and the dorsal 'neck'? I don't recall ever hearing the dimensions of the ship mentioned in "The Cage" -- or in any of the TOS episodes made afterwards.
If the ship had supposedly increased by twice the dimensions -- from ~ 500 feet to nearly 1,000 feet, as you say -- then there should have been nearly twice as many decks seen, as witnessed by the arrays of windows seen on the ship's exterior. Also, the shuttlecraft hangar design -- as depicted in THE MAKING OF STAR TREK -- necessitates the larger size of the entire ship; I just don't see that part of the ship (as you infer regarding the 1st pilot) being originally conceived to be half as big and then later increased to what it is seen to be in TOS.
Sorry, but I have to be skeptical of your claims in this regard.
@@patricktilton5377 You can be as skeptical as you want but it's discussed in Whitfield & Roddenberry's "The Making of Star Trek" (Ballantine, 1973).
The bridge module was altered to address the scale issue. Nothing else was changed because no other dimensions had been established. OTOH, deck scaling fr the ToS and refit Enterprise have always been an issue and my head-canon since I was maybe 8 years old has insisted Enterprise was 1200 feet. Windows to deck dimensions and some other things just fit better then.
@@scottysgarage4393 did you mean complement?
Space on the original Enterprise was something of a premium As a result, the bathroom facilities were likely much more compact for the crew quarters, even though they might take up as much area as in your design. I could picture the facilities in common areas such as the recreation deck or engineering to closer resemble western public restrooms or even smart port-a-potties like they have in many countries, however. From blueprints, we know there's a restroom for the bridge crew, and every major facility would likely have at least one toilet, possibly two. I would imagine they'd be unisex with the possible exception of the recreation deck (in the event it uses stalls instead of booths).
It's very probable that the crew toilets here would be similar to that of those in Japanese micro apartments. For such bathrooms, the sink and cabinet front swings away to reveal the toilet underneath. Not only is this aesthetically pleasing, you can fit the same amount of "stuff" in a smaller place. A perfect example of this can be found in this apartment tour: ruclips.net/video/7Hey_DdjmE0/видео.html As this is the future, toilet paper has most likely been replaced completely by bidets, which are less wasteful. Nobody wants a shortage in the middle of a week-long warp jump to the nearest starbase!
Oddly enough, in the Star Wars novels (pre-Disney), there's discussion of just such a setup in the Millennium Falcon. Han added a kitchenette in the crew quarters for Leia as a wedding present, and the toilet was hidden underneath. Of course, in blueprints of the ship set before their marriage, the toilet was closed off in a small WC just to the side of the crew quarters door.
Beyond the obvious time savings of using these smaller toilet/sink combos for the crew quarters (less to model), it would also make sense for these rooms to include their own miniature water recycling units. We know that by TNG, the crew used sonic showers exclusively, but in Enterprise they still had water showers, so the 1701 was probably somewhere in the transition period with sonic showers in the recreation or work areas and water showers for private and/or officer use.
By shrinking the crew quarters' bathrooms to include private water recyc units, it would make shower/saunas more feasible. Solid waste matter would be shipped through pipes between decks to the main waste units where it would be broken down into things like fertilizer or materials for early replicators (maybe you'll think twice before ordering that replicated burger next time...).
The bottom of this control system may even be a personal washing machine, which is a staple in bathrooms across Asia. I could picture the crew doing small loads of laundry in their quarters while sending larger loads in marked bags to the ship's laundry. With the space available, these smaller loads would likely be dried on heated wall-mounted racks in the bathroom itself.
I could also picture the recyc cabinet having controls for the crew member to adjust water temperature, flow, etc. Some of the most modern bathrooms in Japan, former Soviet nations, and wealthier areas of Europe have entire control panels for the bathrooms (or even just the smart toilets). In some of the more upscale Post-Soviet apartment buildings, you'll even find small backup water heaters attached horizontally to the upper wall and ceiling to feed the shower during maintenance periods.
Question on the lowest Recreation Garden Deck. In the movies the Torpedoes are fired from a room on the "neck" in the enlarged launcher area. However, in the Original Series, They appear to be fired from the area that you have as a Recreation area. There are no Torpedo Room Launchers or Torpedo Storage areas in the area. Where Are the torpedoes?
Thanks for the question. The garden deck 'Central Park' is located on deck 9, torpedo generator and phaser control will be located on decks 10 and 11. In the show we saw the phasers fire and torpedos launch from deck 11.
Of course there are toilets. Haven't you heard of the Captain's log ?
I feel like the computer core room would be like the IT department of the ship. They would need those workstations to reset 450 passwords each day 😂
Definitely less than 100 toilets outside crew quarters.
I would figure something more like 1 per 10 staff on duty, and only a third of the crew are on duty at any time, so really you are looking at just a couple of bathrooms on each deck. Maybe a few extra around rec areas where large numbers of off duty personnel will gather.
Common rule of thumb is 1 toilet per 10 people for public toilets, the actual number of stalls of c. varies depending on how busy a it is in general (a bar, shopping mall, school etc.) but let's say 3-4 public stalls per deck and a 1 in crew quarters, also toilets would be dry, waste burning toilets with a gas vent not water closets and with this being star trek all waste (fecal and otherwise) would likely be atomized after flushing and recycled for the replicators this means that somewhere in the engineering there also has to be a waste treatment facility.
@@petrirantavalli859 Yes given the setting logically it could be something based on the transporter technology, to beam waste up and reassemble it as basic atoms of carbon and water etc. which go into storage.
I’d imagine the Federation Star Ships would have A Sewage Treatment containment Bay
On Dr Who. The TARDIS empties your bowels for you.
Ten forward but the one astern is full 🥴🇬🇧🙏♥️
my guess is they save it and off load it whenever they dock. the federation processes it into fertilization and then ships it to planets that need it.
I wonder if you could inquire as to how many bathrooms are on an aircraft carrier. Otherwise it sounds reasonable what you have come up with. Really enjoying how this is coming along,
Where No Man Has Gone Before…
Lol!
Or woman...or Vulcan... Think about it. Even Vulcan's poop.
the ladies loo
@@DrWhom Mad Magazine in one of their Spoofs of TOS contained Spock saying something about a Woman’s Planet being a Nudist Colony. In another there was a reference to someone couldn’t believe his (Mister Spock’s) ears…occurs in the Trouble of Tribbles. Also, TOS movie Star Trek III made an oblique reference to an alien ship captain when McCoy attempted to illegally go to planet Genesis. Alien: Genesis?
McCoy: Yes, Genesis! How can you be deaf with ears like that?
Presumably in busy area's of the ship there'll be the equivalent of public toilets, multiple cubicles for,, ahem,,, whatever your evacuating with a common hand washing area. So 3 or 4 of that 550 toilets number will be in one room.
If everyone has their own private bedroom (not sure if that's what you're planning, I could see the enlisted sharing a room with 2 or 3 others, they could use a single toilet) that's a certain number, plus you'd have others throughout the ship.
One time out of curiosity I called one of those port-a-potty companies and asked how do they figure out how many portables for a given outdoor event...they told me 1 port-a-potty per 10 people for a week. (A Starship of course would not need a truck to show up and empty the waste system) We could then figure 1 toilet per 10 people, scattered throughout the ship. That's 44 more, in addition to the bedroom toilets.
40 officers = 40 toilets
400 enlisted = average of 3 people per room, = 134 toilets
44 scattered = 44
= 218
More or less, but probably just a little bit more, maybe 250.
Just my guess, hope this helps.
You're probably not far off with 550 WC/urinals. Assuming 420 standard crew compliment with lower ranks sharing a room (doubling up) that would make something like 250 crew quarters. Now add 50 VIP guest quarters (Journey to Babel episode). Of course there will need to be convenience WC's through out the ship as it won't always be practical to run from the engineering section or the Hanger Bay to spend a penny. The mess hall will also require WC's as well as the recreation areas. And if the Enterprise is providing evacuation services for refugees or moving troops, they would have to be accommodated. So, yah, 550 might be spot on. Another reference is to look at plans for cruise ships or aircraft carriers or battleships. That would be excellent references for a WC count.
Awesome, thanks for the input and feedback!
@@mrtrek2117 Journey to Babel - 114 delegates with two aids each, so 230 cabins for them... Not to mention the catering staff required. I do find it amusing that by season three, budget cuts at Starfleet/Desilu required Uhura to give up her private quarters to the Dolman of Elas... yah? Ambassador Petry hung out in Sick Bay, but I don't know where the Dolmans two goons were housed... ST-TOS; it wasn't always consistent.
They beamed then transformed it into those food cubs -remember those cubed melon pieces in original.
The lower ranks would probably have 2 people per quarters sharing a toilet, but there would still be some public restrooms.
That's been covered in other videos, Mr Trek has rightly concluded that the ship can offer full space to every human, and would need for their mental health given the length of the missions. So no 'Star Trek: Lower Decks'-style bunks for the lowest ranking personnel. I also think that if humanity has made any steps forward by this time period - this would be the right thing to do. And given there is on-screen evidence to the contrary from TOS - why not?
On the Enterprise D, which is a cruise-liner as much as it is a military vessel, I would accept the idea of ensuites for every crewmember, but for the original Enterprise, I would expect that restrooms would be shared amongst multiple people. Something like 25 toilets for 400 crew would be more logical.
quote: "How many TOILETS on my STARSHIP ENTERPRISE MODEL?"
None at all, Scotty beams it out! ;-)
Look for someplace you can buy a couple hemostats your local tattoo shop might have some. they help out a lot.
I think in public rooms like sickbay, there should be at least two toilets for different genders. And large recreational areas like Central Park should have some sort of public restrooms.
No matter how many toilets that ship had/has…I would find the one that was “Occupied” when I really needed to go….I’s just the way my luck runs…
Haha. The ever elusive 1960'a toilets. 😊
I have to chime in here as well. Great idea but I do think 500 may be a bit overkill. That is 1 bathroom per person plus 80 extra. The ship is not that big to where a bathroom would not be close by. But otherwise you are doing an awesome job.
One last thing. Did you do the observation deck that Kirk and Lenore were conversing in Conscience of The King? I always loved that set and sadly it was used one time.
I don't think every crewmember would have a private toilet, only officers maybe!
Is that a track going around the outside of the recreation deck?
I'll be honest, I've known how detailed you want this to be but I didn't think of the toilets. 😀
Starfleet issue transporter underpants.
It was said the Enterprise D had hundreds of toilets on board, and that the waste was dissolved instantly. Then it was processed to be used in making other things in a recycling. I think even one of the characters even mentions it at one point in the show 🤷♂️
I didn't mean to say that the _Enterprise_ should be hauling toilets. I meant that it should be hauled away *as* a toilet!
With 430 crew members, 500 toilets means every crew member gets at least one toilet to call their own.
Can they replicate the model and challenge a "crew" to live there, complete with scenarios? Make Star Trek a reality show.