It's been lovely watching my dog-eared, worm-eaten copy of the plans for the USS Enterprise be wrought into actual being by real people from real materials. Yet...you HAVEN'T just slavishly followed these old plans. Moreso...I am in awe to see your efforts!
The windows were shown with shutters in the season 3 episode "The Mark of Gideon." When Kirk and Odona hear noises coming from outside the ship, they head to a side room with curved walls off the main corridor. There, Kirk goes to a control box, flips a red cover up, and activates a manual switch to open the shutter.
Been a star Trek fan since 70s. Think I must have had a few enterprise model kits, of all ships. This cut away works fine, if I recall no movies or tv series really showed the dorsal fin. I have a paper back about the 1701a describing the dorsal fin having a meeting room with flags seats and desk. Turbo lift opens and folks just walk in.
Stupendous! One thing this creation is showing us is that if we ever had the chance to be on the actual real Enterprise, this might be the most beautiful view from the ship out into space because you could be flanked by exterior views very near your person. It never really occurred to me until this physical model with little people in there to "project" ourselves into, especially with that casual gardened viewing room you thought of.
Blown away by every upload. The outer hull turned out incredibly smooth! As someone who only ever builds model kits the amount of craftsmanship put into this is seriously impressive. Love the little plant details too. Initially I wasn’t too sure about the three decks being part of the saucer module for separation purely from an aesthetic standpoint, but the more I think about it it would make sense to have more room and quick accessibility in an emergency
As an award-winning model builder, I can tell you great job. Also. I would not use fiberglass for the outer hull I would use something called worbla. It's a lot lighter, easier to work with, and not as messy. Plus, you can use heat to shape it.
I personally think your plans are fantastic. Following the logic of what we see on the outside must have a relationship to what's on the inside, makes total sense. You're doing just fine.
I've been watching your progress for months now, and am impressed with your continued enthusiasm for the build. You have such passion for each area of the ship, and for maximizing what each section would do functionally and aesthetically. Mad respect from me, a 50-year Trek fan, and a design and illustration professional. LLAP!
Wow, you are rocking this at 1/100 and 1/25 scales. I think I'm skipping any further work an a 1/100th and going back to the 1/350's. Amazing work as always. Still very inspiring!
That's absolutely beautiful, and I love the opening music too! And the lowered windows make sense. You see them in Japanese houses where people still sit on the floor. Scuttlebutt has it that the dorsal food replicator makes the best chicken soup on the ship.
I was always of the opinion the neck dorsal was just too narrow to be of any use for anything and one of the most glaring structural faults of the entire design. This model has confirmed that for me. Still tremendous work on that model. You're gonna be a legend, man!
Thanks! Must say I would like to see that dorsal twice as wide for sure, those warp engines look like they could do with more substantial support too! Those are the two elements I would definitely re-design if I was going to re-design the ship.
@@mrtrek2117 I think it's exactly because the designer of the original Enterprise didn't build such a model at scale that those parts were so flimsy. Went more for looks than practicality. But that was a mistake they could have rectified on the refit, seeing how the movie Excelsior had a significantly beefier neck. Also consider that the hull is quite thick, with an inner hull and outside plating. So actually, the usable space inside that dorsal would be even more restricted. You think you'll maybe actually redesign and build those parts for your model?
The process you are doing where you are making sense out of this thing, is kind of invaluable. No one else has had the time or patience to really figure it out. So if you diverge from canon, well i am going with you.
I found you through Facebook and love the process and progress, I have told a lot of people who are trekkies that I know about you so hopefully they give you some support too
That’s pretty impressive! I’m not sure what you do for a living, or whether you may already know this or not, but original blueprint designs are often changed when work begins on mock ups (models). Builders tend to discover things that weren’t apparent in the 2-D plans, and as they discover problems moving forward, they make alterations in the total design to accommodate the new-found issues. So… maybe your buildups will lead to other buildups, which will ultimately lead to a 1:1 ship! Of course, a LOT of other problems would have to be solved before that would ever be possible, but who knows? Anyway, it looks fantastic! I hope you have plenty of space available (and an understanding wife)!
Very well designed model. Glad to see your version of a seldom seen area of the ship. Canon or not, your work continues to inspire and keep the vision of Star Trek's call of the future alive. Looking forward to your next video and build. Remember this is your model. Take your vision and build it your way. Good luck with your endeavor!
Such great documentation as always. I'm sure at some point this will inspire someone else to do a similar build, and yours' will no doubt be the gold standard we'll all use as reference. You're asking solid questions and offering great ideas and solutions most of us hadn't even considered. Keep it coming!
You Deserve so many more subs and likes for what you are making. This is gonna be massive + it needs to be shown and known to the world. You are doing such an amazing job. "Live Long And Prosper".
Fantastic work! I can't even imagine what the 1/25 will look like, it's going to be huge! The only issue I have with the separation occurring mid-dorsal is that I always imagined separation would take place in order for the saucer section to act as a lifeboat (the antimatter being in the secondary hull) and then land planetside, which might be complicated with a section of the dorsal sticking out the rear.
As I look at this magnificent plan, I keep seeing the small lift as a diagonal axis, along the diagonal spine along the front, with an all deck stairway right next to it. That would clear things up a bit in the interior where the secondary lift is currently, and internal stairways.
Thanks for another amazing update Mr. Trek. I get so happy whenever there's an update because I'm constantly worried that you will come to your senses and stop. PLEASE keep this madness going through to completion as I want to be one of the first to visit it and see it with my own physical eyes! Cheers ✌️
Wow, since I was a kid, and seeing the drawing concept of Phase II or even the comics, I also imagined that the 1701 had many more windows than we see on the show, also, as the comics show. My idea was the same as yours, that they can seem to just “disappear” or blend into the hull plate, when not in use. I remember also an episode of TNG where they closed a window, to support the idea.
The first Deck of the dorsal leaves with the saucer when it separates. The explosive bolts are between dorsal deck 8 and 9. Dorsal deck 8 has a ladder/ramp that lowers after the saucer touches down on a planet surface. The rear section of deck 7 has a lot of super structure reinforcement to support the dorsal section along with the secondary hull strong back. There is a turbolift shaft inside the dorsal section. The turbolift shaft comes from deck 7 and goes the length of the main bridge on dorsal deck 8 and then drops down the remaining six decks of the dorsal section into the secondary hull down to the bottom deck (19 or 24). On deck 14 the shaft also travels backwards towards the shuttle bay and the drops down another turbolift shaft from deck 14 to deck 23.
According to Franz Joseph, yes...but if it ain't on screen it ain't canon. We have a few pages of the Technical Manual and Blueprints that have been used as screen displays in the movies, yes; so mayyybe that makes his entire work canon. In any case, I don't like Mr Trek's solution of non-contiguous turbolifts; there are many scenes of crewmen going direct from Engineering to the Bridge, and not once did anyone have to stop and change lifts on the show. That makes the dorsal too much of a bottleneck IMO. But it's also not my project, and I appreciate his creative process and choices. In any case, there were never any scenes shot in the dorsal itself, so we "really" have no idea what it looks like or what the layout is. Heck, maybe it's one big water tank for the cetacean crew. :)
@@noscwoh1In Star Trek: The Motion Picture, we see the layout of the turbolift shafts in a computer display in the turbolift car that Kirk steps into after boarding the Enterprise, showing top and side plan view maps. The main turbolift shaft runs straight up through the middle of the dorsal.
@@noscwoh1There was no Cetacean Ops on the Constitution class ship. Whales were extinct at that time and weren't restored to Earth until Star Trek IV.
Awesome work with the windows! That makes a lot of sense. I wouldn't worry about evacuation times - you're only as fast as the last shuttle bay hanger technician can get there. I think the saucer is supposed to land (there are some triangular landing leg bay doors on the underside of the saucer, but I think only two). Perhaps a few decks of the dorsal comprise the third "landing leg" with gangway/ramp/lift access to the surface.
That's the canon I heard. That some of the neck comes off with the saucer along with the two landing gear bay doors seen on the front underside as a landing tripod. But from behind the scenes interviews, Roddenberry came up with the transporters because a landing sequence was going to be too expensive to film and also where's the tension when your whole ship and all its resources is planet-side with you.
Its amazing when you see the outer hull on the side and how the interiors are so vulnerable. One lucky shot by a Romulan and you'd see a lot of casualties sucked out into space! I wonder if there is an in universe explanation as to how the outer hull is reinforced?
Thanks for the reply on the "next video" this answered my question. I get what you're saying about not following blue prints directly, but take this for what it is. What if you separated at deck 8, and you ran the turbo horizontally there; basically that horizontal turbo shaft and the surrounding deck are sacrificial in the even of saucer separation? Just a thought, no criticism intended.
Matt Jeffries would be proud of you. I bet he would love to work on it with you if he was here. I still think you should be known as Chief Engineer Scotty Jr. 🖖
Always amazed to see your progress. My only critique is the dorsal section must have more structural members or a large main one if it were to be a real space vehicle. Currently It looks as if it would be too fragile to connect and support the saucer section to the body. I would be very impressed if any other of your followers could do a structural analysis in a 3D modeling program to determine where are the weakest areas for reinforcement. Best Wishes Mr. Trek.
Thank you for your interesting comment. I always assume that future technology will have materials so good, that appear to our eyes as too thin and weak. Super strong despite their apparent lack of girth. Shear forces at at warp speed are cancelled out, they would have to be, so you wouldn’t have the kind of structural requirements you would find, say, in a battleship, where you have all kinds of shear force sources. Anyway, that’s my way of explaining it away, and I think it’s plausible.
Good morning, I flat out love what your doing with the dorsal connection. You made it practical and beautiful at the same time. Really beautiful work. May I submit that the window towards the front is not lowered or smaller than the three other observation windows. It may have been drawn that way to depict the curvature and angle of the front dorsal assembly. Appearing further away from the others. Similarly when looking at the profile view on the plans the windows by the impulse engines are drawn with the circular saucer in mind and are angled and smaller to depict the curvature perspective. I did reference plans and the Smithsonian model as well before expressing this perspective. Love your work. Love what you are doing. Thank you for making it real for us.
To be blunt... That is looking great! I'd like to see more structural support along some of the leading and trailing edges of the connecting dorsal, and like you mentioned, perhaps some of those connection points running down the entire structure. The mid dorsal separation isn't a new idea... And for the reasons you pretty much brought up. The window shutters make sense as well. We've seen that in an ep of TOS to support that. I have absolutely no issue with your position that. Besides, there's also a limited amount of one screen canon to draw from. So you're left with other sources of canon. And in reality, the definition is hinged on information from those in authority with the knowledge to produce it (eg, someone licenced like Joseph). There is nothing in the definition of canon that says it HAS to be only on screen. One of the things I love about TOS, and the movies, is that the Connie seems to be a fantastic example of how the technology of the time allows for form and function to be displayed in an almost braggy way. This is like the golden age of Star Trek tech, and it's taken a LOT to take down these ships in TOS and the movies. Usually some shield failure of some kind. The nacelle struts, connecting dorsal, bridge location, are all so apparently fragile and vulnerable, but in reality, are as strong as any other part of the ship. Until all defences are overwhelmed, and then one PHOTORP will do in the entire ship anyway.
Enjoying your view of interiors. Your thoughts on where the dorsal would separates, follows another example from many years ago, that perceived the saucer landing with the triangular openings on either side of phaser aray, serving as landing hear, and half of the dorsal, serving as a rear landing stabilizer. Nice thing about fictional things, you can modify😊
I've seen blueprints of the saucer section using the dorsal as a third landing gear, the other 2 being the triangular shapes on the underside of the saucer
IMHO, as a fan since the TOS time, what you're calling 'deck 8' should be the horizontal section of the turbo-lift. I do remember seeing the sideways movement of the lights when the turbo-lift was in motion. (BTW-I'm 73 and very glad that Lucille Ball, then head of Desilu Studios, saved Star Treck 🙂 )
I would agree with this. Deck 8 could be the horizontal turbo-lift area with narrow maintenance passages on either side. Would easily dovetail into what you have lovingly designed and pay homage to 'canon'.
Go watch Star Trek: The Motion Picture. The scene where Kirk first boards the Enterprise in the cargo bay, and he takes the turbolift to the bridge there is a turbolift tube map as displayed in a top and side view of the ship. If you look closely at in high-res, you'll see that there is a horizontal tube at the top. In all three sections of the ship; saucer, dorsal, and secondary hull, there's side junctions as well.
A really beautiful model, well done. The only thing thing I’d say is that the two dorsal lifts look a little too thin to me somehow, even if they are a practical solution for the crew as they are, they look like they need slightly more depth, but that is a nit pick. Regardless, it’s an amazing rendition even at 100th scale, and the outer hull and cutaway is perfect for display. As far as working to any kind of canon goes, this is a faithful interpretation of a design that was never fully realised in the series, so you definitely have some creative leeway. 👍
Absolutely on point about the intra-dorsal lifts, it's something that really hit me. This is why building this 1:100 scale model as part of the final build is so important. The depth of the service lifts and many other points will be adjusted in the massive 1:25 scale build. As I said in a previous video, when the 1:25 scale model build begins, there will be no guess work! Thank you for the kind words and the valuable input!
I just thought of something when you mentioned impulse Engineering. I may be wrong about this but I believe in Star Trek the Motion Picture, we see an entirely re-designed engineering section. At the time, I understood the tall column of swirling Anti-matter intermix chamber, I think that's what it's called, was a connecting conduit for the impulse deck to connect to main engineering in the lower section, passing through the dorsal. This configuration was changed in The next Generation but I seem to recall in early publicity material for the film, that this is what that column was supposed to be and not necessarily the intermix chamber itself but just a power conduit that rises into the dorsal. This seems to have been forgotten over time especially with Next Generation really putting its unique stamp on Star Trek
I tend to agree with the Turbo Lift going from the saucer right to the lower decks unabated. If an engineer Or security officer is called to tend to an Emergency! You don't want off duty personnel pushing the elevator button on every floor in the dorsal section.
Looking at the interior of the dorsal I feel transported in an alternate reality where the Enterprise could actually exist. it's a great feeling, then there is the let down of returning to this world, full of violence and suffering.
The Star Trek Officers' Manual (from 1980) showed the dorsal detached from the bottom, where it joins the secondary hull so separation at the top only is not a certainty in fandom. However, both top and bottom connections benefit from having a lot more "stuff" either side of the dorsal connection, in order to strengthen it. If the dorsal were to split in the middle I would expect to see a lot more structural reinforcement and less lounges!
Your thinking is completely locked into 20th century Earth-bound mechanics. By the 23rd century and if we have made it into space with advanced starships the engineering and materials used to build such an epic ship will be way beyond what we have now. All the ideas of having explosive 'bolts' to disconnect the decking are also highly influenced by the mechanics of the day (the 60's and 70's) A mid-dorsal separation would probably be something as simple as a 'slide-out' and the decks would probably be held together by some kind of 'holding mechanism' which rendered the connection between those decks even stronger than the structures connecting the regular decks. Finally, the fact that some levels of the dorsal have lounges and observation areas in them has absolutely nothing to do with the structures supporting the dorsal.
@@mrtrek2117 It's certainly possible that futuristic building techniques and materials could be (will be) used in the construction of the Enterprise, but if that's the case I would expect to see this same tech elsewhere on the ship - very thin external walls throughout and so forth. I do like your notion of a "slide out" segment in the dorsal (to join the two halfs together) but wouldn't that still create a double thick hull/floor area where the two overlapping sections are housed? Just wondering where everything goes! 🙂
I would get the impression that the machinery in this area would be the most mundane and self-reliant "space-hogging" hardware needed on the ship. Stuff like backup life support, redundant waste purification, planetary emergency aid supplies, etc. The stuff kinda needed to have on hand but not required in more prime useful areas.
Hi, great stuff as always, I am curious as to how close your version matches the 'canon' ship dimensionally as there is debate whether or not dorsal would be a functional space given how narrow it is. Your model suggests that it's fine but I wondered if you had amended the size. I know you did this for the bridge for entirely sensible reasons.
Having bit of the dorsal section stay attached to the saucer section might have use as a vertical stabilizer while entering an atmosphere, so go for it!
As you can see with just one side of the exterior hull in place, the levels themselves are rather dark. When you get more of the ship together, lighting in each room and the corridors is going to be paramount to see all the details. Lighting in the show came from above. As for your separation in the dorsal, you cannot do it on a level with stairwells, there is no way to seal the opening without destroying railing or something. (If it were a real starship, loss of pressure is a bad thing.) The outer hull on the finished model might require sheet metal for strength and to keep it thin. Fiberglass is rather thick and damages easily the thinner you make it.
Another great video installation! Yeah, count me as one of those who will scratch their heads at the lack of the horizontal turbolift shaft in the dorsal. But hey, your ship, your interpretation, your build. And looking good so far. On a different topic, sorry if this has been asked: What will you do with the 1:100 scaled parts when the project is completed?
@Mr Trek --First,,, always a thumbs up and loving every bit of this/these builds... Thanks HOWEVER, LOL,, You made a mistake in logic with the size/shape of windows in the dorsal section... When you said you shaped the window for the seated position under the stairs, you made them EXCLUSIVELY for the seating position. So if anyone actually sees anything interesting and decides to go to the window for a better look, they would have to bend over to see... I think a better idea would be to make the observation window start at the normal height for people standing but extend further down so people sitting could easily see outside without standing up, but weren't forced to hunch over if there was a good reason to run to the window for some reason... Of course you can do it any which way you want and use any reasoning, but I think you limited yourself with that small detail... take care. PLEASE, keep them coming.
I don't see the original concept of saucer sep as including any of the dorsal decks still attached. I think, cinematically, it was just the saucer on its own as a 'life boat' for the crew. That would be in keeping with how we saw the Enterprise D Galaxy class separate for that very reason in Star Trek: Generations. Then again, its never specifically said and it is a fictional ship so it can be anything you feel is right from a real world engineering perspective 🤷♂️
Love the build and vid, random comments on Saucer separation. First, why? Where is the evidence that the TOS 1701 or 1701A for that matter had a separable saucer section? This concept wasn't introduced until TNG on 1701D. I see no reason that any previous ships would have this feature. Sure it's a neat idea, but it's unnecessary. Second, if the saucer separates it should be done between deck 7 and 8. It's just strange to have this small appendage sticking out and furthermore there is little space for the infrastructure required for all the clamping mechanisms that hold the two sections together. Carry on and thank you.
The idea of the TOS Enterprise having saucer separation was mentioned in "The Apple" [S2] and in "The Savage Curtain" [S3]. But it was only as a very last-ditch emergency measure, unlike TNG where it was supposed to be a more routine feature.
Making the dorsal neck skin out of fiberglass in that size is going to be extremely difficult. You're better of doing it in sections the Bondo the seams. That would be the best approach. The best thing to do is laminate single sheets then cut and flex them into place.
The work is very good! I feel the dkrsal section could be more strong in terms of structure. It's a crucial part of the ship, and I think it could be mostly made by great, strong pillars, due the enormous gravitational forces when accelerate or diminishing speed; a spacefull of tubes, machinery, etc. Not leasure spaces. IMO...
in star trek beyond the sauser and the part you show detatches from the secendary hull then later uhura detatches the neck from the sauser watch that part of that movie
It's been lovely watching my dog-eared, worm-eaten copy of the plans for the USS Enterprise be wrought into actual being by real people from real materials.
Yet...you HAVEN'T just slavishly followed these old plans.
Moreso...I am in awe to see your efforts!
The windows were shown with shutters in the season 3 episode "The Mark of Gideon." When Kirk and Odona hear noises coming from outside the ship, they head to a side room with curved walls off the main corridor. There, Kirk goes to a control box, flips a red cover up, and activates a manual switch to open the shutter.
I always imagined the dorsal section to be a mass of sensor cables and the turbo lift. I like your concept of quiet space for the crew.
Been a star Trek fan since 70s. Think I must have had a few enterprise model kits, of all ships. This cut away works fine, if I recall no movies or tv series really showed the dorsal fin. I have a paper back about the 1701a describing the dorsal fin having a meeting room with flags seats and desk. Turbo lift opens and folks just walk in.
Stupendous!
One thing this creation is showing us is that if we ever had the chance to be on the actual real Enterprise, this might be the most beautiful view from the ship out into space because you could be flanked by exterior views very near your person. It never really occurred to me until this physical model with little people in there to "project" ourselves into, especially with that casual gardened viewing room you thought of.
Blown away by every upload. The outer hull turned out incredibly smooth! As someone who only ever builds model kits the amount of craftsmanship put into this is seriously impressive. Love the little plant details too. Initially I wasn’t too sure about the three decks being part of the saucer module for separation purely from an aesthetic standpoint, but the more I think about it it would make sense to have more room and quick accessibility in an emergency
As an award-winning model builder, I can tell you great job. Also. I would not use fiberglass for the outer hull I would use something called worbla. It's a lot lighter, easier to work with, and not as messy. Plus, you can use heat to shape it.
Just when I think it can't get any better, it does!!!!
That really is amazing! Can't wait to see the 40 foot long model completed. Thanks for the video. :)
It's beautiful !!!! Not canon, but very practical. I am sure Roddenberry would be very proud !!!
I personally think your plans are fantastic. Following the logic of what we see on the outside must have a relationship to what's on the inside, makes total sense. You're doing just fine.
awesome. love seeing the bits of green foliage in there. it really pops
Wow.
I am really looking forward to you finishing this but gotta make the lights and lifts work would be so cool mate
There's no word, to express, my amazement. Goodness. I could never do, that. Goergeos.
I have no words beyond "Simply Amazing!"
I've been watching your progress for months now, and am impressed with your continued enthusiasm for the build. You have such passion for each area of the ship, and for maximizing what each section would do functionally and aesthetically. Mad respect from me, a 50-year Trek fan, and a design and illustration professional. LLAP!
If this is not dectication, I don't what is. Looking forward to your, final, build. Awesome..
Wow, you are rocking this at 1/100 and 1/25 scales. I think I'm skipping any further work an a 1/100th and going back to the 1/350's. Amazing work as always. Still very inspiring!
That it is a spectacular build. You have immense talent.
I think you're doing a good job on window placement
I'm impressed! I love the way the dorsal looks and I agree with your ideas concerning the lifts. Wonderful!
This is incredible!!!! So much detail!!!
Looks great!
It makes me dream of travelling in space, listening to that music in the beginning!
That's absolutely beautiful, and I love the opening music too!
And the lowered windows make sense. You see them in Japanese houses where people still sit on the floor.
Scuttlebutt has it that the dorsal food replicator makes the best chicken soup on the ship.
That looks really good my friend!
I was always of the opinion the neck dorsal was just too narrow to be of any use for anything and one of the most glaring structural faults of the entire design.
This model has confirmed that for me.
Still tremendous work on that model. You're gonna be a legend, man!
Thanks! Must say I would like to see that dorsal twice as wide for sure, those warp engines look like they could do with more substantial support too! Those are the two elements I would definitely re-design if I was going to re-design the ship.
@@mrtrek2117 I think it's exactly because the designer of the original Enterprise didn't build such a model at scale that those parts were so flimsy. Went more for looks than practicality.
But that was a mistake they could have rectified on the refit, seeing how the movie Excelsior had a significantly beefier neck.
Also consider that the hull is quite thick, with an inner hull and outside plating. So actually, the usable space inside that dorsal would be even more restricted.
You think you'll maybe actually redesign and build those parts for your model?
Beautiful! I think this was probably the hardest part to build. Just studying is difficult. Again great work.
Thank you very much!
The process you are doing where you are making sense out of this thing, is kind of invaluable. No one else has had the time or patience to really figure it out. So if you diverge from canon, well i am going with you.
Appreciated, thank you!
Now thats a fantastic idea!
Your build is awesome and I love the practical lifts and turbo shafts with relation to the lounges. Truly makes the most since. Well done.
Thank you!
I found you through Facebook and love the process and progress, I have told a lot of people who are trekkies that I know about you so hopefully they give you some support too
Totally appreciate that, thank you for the support and welcome to the project!
That’s pretty impressive!
I’m not sure what you do for a living, or whether you may already know this or not, but original blueprint designs are often changed when work begins on mock ups (models). Builders tend to discover things that weren’t apparent in the 2-D plans, and as they discover problems moving forward, they make alterations in the total design to accommodate the new-found issues.
So… maybe your buildups will lead to other buildups, which will ultimately lead to a 1:1 ship!
Of course, a LOT of other problems would have to be solved before that would ever be possible, but who knows?
Anyway, it looks fantastic! I hope you have plenty of space available (and an understanding wife)!
Looks incredible!
Very well designed model. Glad to see your version of a seldom seen area of the ship. Canon or not, your work continues to inspire and keep the vision of Star Trek's call of the future alive. Looking forward to your next video and build. Remember this is your model. Take your vision and build it your way. Good luck with your endeavor!
Many thanks!
Such great documentation as always. I'm sure at some point this will inspire someone else to do a similar build, and yours' will no doubt be the gold standard we'll all use as reference. You're asking solid questions and offering great ideas and solutions most of us hadn't even considered. Keep it coming!
Appreciated, thank you!
You Deserve so many more subs and likes for what you are making. This is gonna be massive + it needs to be shown and known to the world. You are doing such an amazing job. "Live Long And Prosper".
Thanks for the kind words and encouragement ;-)
Pretty cool. Love the details. Keep up the great work.
Fantastic work! I can't even imagine what the 1/25 will look like, it's going to be huge!
The only issue I have with the separation occurring mid-dorsal is that I always imagined separation would take place in order for the saucer section to act as a lifeboat (the antimatter being in the secondary hull) and then land planetside, which might be complicated with a section of the dorsal sticking out the rear.
Would love to see this displayed in the NASM. :)
Really cool. Great detail
Oh, it's beautiful!
As I look at this magnificent plan, I keep seeing the small lift as a diagonal axis, along the diagonal spine along the front, with an all deck stairway right next to it. That would clear things up a bit in the interior where the secondary lift is currently, and internal stairways.
Canon, CANON, CANNNNON! It is all make-believe. Dude, I love it. Go for it. Live the dream. Make it work!
Thanks for another amazing update Mr. Trek.
I get so happy whenever there's an update because I'm constantly worried that you will come to your senses and stop.
PLEASE keep this madness going through to completion as I want to be one of the first to visit it and see it with my own physical eyes!
Cheers ✌️
I like it. Great place for a rest area
My God Man! You must be sleeping while standing up. Things are looking phenomenal.
Looks amazing!
Wow, since I was a kid, and seeing the drawing concept of Phase II or even the comics, I also imagined that the 1701 had many more windows than we see on the show, also, as the comics show. My idea was the same as yours, that they can seem to just “disappear” or blend into the hull plate, when not in use.
I remember also an episode of TNG where they closed a window, to support the idea.
The first Deck of the dorsal leaves with the saucer when it separates. The explosive bolts are between dorsal deck 8 and 9. Dorsal deck 8 has a ladder/ramp that lowers after the saucer touches down on a planet surface. The rear section of deck 7 has a lot of super structure reinforcement to support the dorsal section along with the secondary hull strong back. There is a turbolift shaft inside the dorsal section. The turbolift shaft comes from deck 7 and goes the length of the main bridge on dorsal deck 8 and then drops down the remaining six decks of the dorsal section into the secondary hull down to the bottom deck (19 or 24). On deck 14 the shaft also travels backwards towards the shuttle bay and the drops down another turbolift shaft from deck 14 to deck 23.
According to Franz Joseph, yes...but if it ain't on screen it ain't canon. We have a few pages of the Technical Manual and Blueprints that have been used as screen displays in the movies, yes; so mayyybe that makes his entire work canon. In any case, I don't like Mr Trek's solution of non-contiguous turbolifts; there are many scenes of crewmen going direct from Engineering to the Bridge, and not once did anyone have to stop and change lifts on the show. That makes the dorsal too much of a bottleneck IMO. But it's also not my project, and I appreciate his creative process and choices. In any case, there were never any scenes shot in the dorsal itself, so we "really" have no idea what it looks like or what the layout is. Heck, maybe it's one big water tank for the cetacean crew. :)
@@noscwoh1In Star Trek: The Motion Picture, we see the layout of the turbolift shafts in a computer display in the turbolift car that Kirk steps into after boarding the Enterprise, showing top and side plan view maps. The main turbolift shaft runs straight up through the middle of the dorsal.
@@noscwoh1There was no Cetacean Ops on the Constitution class ship. Whales were extinct at that time and weren't restored to Earth until Star Trek IV.
Awesome work with the windows! That makes a lot of sense.
I wouldn't worry about evacuation times - you're only as fast as the last shuttle bay hanger technician can get there. I think the saucer is supposed to land (there are some triangular landing leg bay doors on the underside of the saucer, but I think only two). Perhaps a few decks of the dorsal comprise the third "landing leg" with gangway/ramp/lift access to the surface.
That's the canon I heard. That some of the neck comes off with the saucer along with the two landing gear bay doors seen on the front underside as a landing tripod.
But from behind the scenes interviews, Roddenberry came up with the transporters because a landing sequence was going to be too expensive to film and also where's the tension when your whole ship and all its resources is planet-side with you.
Its amazing when you see the outer hull on the side and how the interiors are so vulnerable. One lucky shot by a Romulan and you'd see a lot of casualties sucked out into space!
I wonder if there is an in universe explanation as to how the outer hull is reinforced?
Thanks for the reply on the "next video" this answered my question. I get what you're saying about not following blue prints directly, but take this for what it is. What if you separated at deck 8, and you ran the turbo horizontally there; basically that horizontal turbo shaft and the surrounding deck are sacrificial in the even of saucer separation? Just a thought, no criticism intended.
Wonderful work!
Matt Jeffries would be proud of you. I bet he would love to work on it with you if he was here. I still think you should be known as Chief Engineer Scotty Jr. 🖖
Always amazed to see your progress. My only critique is the dorsal section must have more structural members or a large main one if it were to be a real space vehicle. Currently It looks as if it would be too fragile to connect and support the saucer section to the body. I would be very impressed if any other of your followers could do a structural analysis in a 3D modeling program to determine where are the weakest areas for reinforcement. Best Wishes Mr. Trek.
Thank you for your interesting comment. I always assume that future technology will have materials so good, that appear to our eyes as too thin and weak. Super strong despite their apparent lack of girth.
Shear forces at at warp speed are cancelled out, they would have to be, so you wouldn’t have the kind of structural requirements you would find, say, in a battleship, where you have all kinds of shear force sources.
Anyway, that’s my way of explaining it away, and I think it’s plausible.
I can just imagine all those Star Fleet personel sititng in the lounges checking their social media......
Good morning,
I flat out love what your doing with the dorsal connection.
You made it practical and beautiful at the same time. Really beautiful work.
May I submit that the window towards the front is not lowered or smaller than the three other observation windows.
It may have been drawn that way to depict the curvature and angle of the front dorsal assembly. Appearing further away from the others.
Similarly when looking at the profile view on the plans the windows by the impulse engines are drawn with the circular saucer in mind and are angled and smaller to depict the curvature perspective.
I did reference plans and the Smithsonian model as well before expressing this perspective.
Love your work. Love what you are doing.
Thank you for making it real for us.
Appreciated, thanks for the input, I'll look into those points you made!
To be blunt... That is looking great! I'd like to see more structural support along some of the leading and trailing edges of the connecting dorsal, and like you mentioned, perhaps some of those connection points running down the entire structure.
The mid dorsal separation isn't a new idea... And for the reasons you pretty much brought up. The window shutters make sense as well. We've seen that in an ep of TOS to support that.
I have absolutely no issue with your position that. Besides, there's also a limited amount of one screen canon to draw from. So you're left with other sources of canon. And in reality, the definition is hinged on information from those in authority with the knowledge to produce it (eg, someone licenced like Joseph). There is nothing in the definition of canon that says it HAS to be only on screen.
One of the things I love about TOS, and the movies, is that the Connie seems to be a fantastic example of how the technology of the time allows for form and function to be displayed in an almost braggy way. This is like the golden age of Star Trek tech, and it's taken a LOT to take down these ships in TOS and the movies. Usually some shield failure of some kind.
The nacelle struts, connecting dorsal, bridge location, are all so apparently fragile and vulnerable, but in reality, are as strong as any other part of the ship. Until all defences are overwhelmed, and then one PHOTORP will do in the entire ship anyway.
The MOST detailed STARSHIP ENTERPRISE model you will EVER see? I think it's beautiful!
Enjoying your view of interiors. Your thoughts on where the dorsal would separates, follows another example from many years ago, that perceived the saucer landing with the triangular openings on either side of phaser aray, serving as landing hear, and half of the dorsal, serving as a rear landing stabilizer. Nice thing about fictional things, you can modify😊
I've seen blueprints of the saucer section using the dorsal as a third landing gear, the other 2 being the triangular shapes on the underside of the saucer
IMHO, as a fan since the TOS time, what you're calling 'deck 8' should be the horizontal section of the turbo-lift. I do remember seeing the sideways movement of the lights when the turbo-lift was in motion. (BTW-I'm 73 and very glad that Lucille Ball, then head of Desilu Studios, saved Star Treck 🙂 )
I would agree with this. Deck 8 could be the horizontal turbo-lift area with narrow maintenance passages on either side. Would easily dovetail into what you have lovingly designed and pay homage to 'canon'.
Go watch Star Trek: The Motion Picture. The scene where Kirk first boards the Enterprise in the cargo bay, and he takes the turbolift to the bridge there is a turbolift tube map as displayed in a top and side view of the ship. If you look closely at in high-res, you'll see that there is a horizontal tube at the top. In all three sections of the ship; saucer, dorsal, and secondary hull, there's side junctions as well.
A really beautiful model, well done. The only thing thing I’d say is that the two dorsal lifts look a little too thin to me somehow, even if they are a practical solution for the crew as they are, they look like they need slightly more depth, but that is a nit pick. Regardless, it’s an amazing rendition even at 100th scale, and the outer hull and cutaway is perfect for display.
As far as working to any kind of canon goes, this is a faithful interpretation of a design that was never fully realised in the series, so you definitely have some creative leeway. 👍
Absolutely on point about the intra-dorsal lifts, it's something that really hit me. This is why building this 1:100 scale model as part of the final build is so important. The depth of the service lifts and many other points will be adjusted in the massive 1:25 scale build. As I said in a previous video, when the 1:25 scale model build begins, there will be no guess work! Thank you for the kind words and the valuable input!
Omg best model I ever seen❤😊
Thank you!
I just thought of something when you mentioned impulse Engineering. I may be wrong about this but I believe in Star Trek the Motion Picture, we see an entirely re-designed engineering section. At the time, I understood the tall column of swirling Anti-matter intermix chamber, I think that's what it's called, was a connecting conduit for the impulse deck to connect to main engineering in the lower section, passing through the dorsal.
This configuration was changed in The next Generation but I seem to recall in early publicity material for the film, that this is what that column was supposed to be and not necessarily the intermix chamber itself but just a power conduit that rises into the dorsal. This seems to have been forgotten over time especially with Next Generation really putting its unique stamp on Star Trek
The work so far is fantastic! Thanks for sharing. Will you have a place to assemble the whole thing when it's ready?
I see that's been covered already!
He who Does is Canon.
You built it and put in the work, so your layouts are my Tos 1701 head canon
I tend to agree with the Turbo Lift going from the saucer right to the lower decks unabated. If an engineer Or security officer is called to tend to an Emergency! You don't want off duty personnel pushing the elevator button on every floor in the dorsal section.
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Looking at the interior of the dorsal I feel transported in an alternate reality where the Enterprise could actually exist. it's a great feeling, then there is the let down of returning to this world, full of violence and suffering.
The Star Trek Officers' Manual (from 1980) showed the dorsal detached from the bottom, where it joins the secondary hull so separation at the top only is not a certainty in fandom.
However, both top and bottom connections benefit from having a lot more "stuff" either side of the dorsal connection, in order to strengthen it. If the dorsal were to split in the middle I would expect to see a lot more structural reinforcement and less lounges!
Your thinking is completely locked into 20th century Earth-bound mechanics. By the 23rd century and if we have made it into space with advanced starships the engineering and materials used to build such an epic ship will be way beyond what we have now. All the ideas of having explosive 'bolts' to disconnect the decking are also highly influenced by the mechanics of the day (the 60's and 70's) A mid-dorsal separation would probably be something as simple as a 'slide-out' and the decks would probably be held together by some kind of 'holding mechanism' which rendered the connection between those decks even stronger than the structures connecting the regular decks. Finally, the fact that some levels of the dorsal have lounges and observation areas in them has absolutely nothing to do with the structures supporting the dorsal.
@@mrtrek2117 It's certainly possible that futuristic building techniques and materials could be (will be) used in the construction of the Enterprise, but if that's the case I would expect to see this same tech elsewhere on the ship - very thin external walls throughout and so forth.
I do like your notion of a "slide out" segment in the dorsal (to join the two halfs together) but wouldn't that still create a double thick hull/floor area where the two overlapping sections are housed? Just wondering where everything goes! 🙂
like always awesome work can you imaging how long it would take to build a life size one crazy
I would get the impression that the machinery in this area would be the most mundane and self-reliant "space-hogging" hardware needed on the ship. Stuff like backup life support, redundant waste purification, planetary emergency aid supplies, etc. The stuff kinda needed to have on hand but not required in more prime useful areas.
Hi, great stuff as always, I am curious as to how close your version matches the 'canon' ship dimensionally as there is debate whether or not dorsal would be a functional space given how narrow it is. Your model suggests that it's fine but I wondered if you had amended the size. I know you did this for the bridge for entirely sensible reasons.
The Dorsal area acts as the 3rd leg of the landing struts during saucer separation, if you look at the drawings....
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Having bit of the dorsal section stay attached to the saucer section might have use as a vertical stabilizer while entering an atmosphere, so go for it!
What this needs is you standing next to it for scale.
As you can see with just one side of the exterior hull in place, the levels themselves are rather dark. When you get more of the ship together, lighting in each room and the corridors is going to be paramount to see all the details. Lighting in the show came from above.
As for your separation in the dorsal, you cannot do it on a level with stairwells, there is no way to seal the opening without destroying railing or something. (If it were a real starship, loss of pressure is a bad thing.)
The outer hull on the finished model might require sheet metal for strength and to keep it thin. Fiberglass is rather thick and damages easily the thinner you make it.
Out of curiosity, how fast do you estimate turbolifts travel? One meter per second?
Another great video installation!
Yeah, count me as one of those who will scratch their heads at the lack of the horizontal turbolift shaft in the dorsal. But hey, your ship, your interpretation, your build. And looking good so far.
On a different topic, sorry if this has been asked: What will you do with the 1:100 scaled parts when the project is completed?
@Mr Trek --First,,, always a thumbs up and loving every bit of this/these builds... Thanks HOWEVER, LOL,,
You made a mistake in logic with the size/shape of windows in the dorsal section... When you said you shaped the window for the seated position under the stairs, you made them EXCLUSIVELY for the seating position. So if anyone actually sees anything interesting and decides to go to the window for a better look, they would have to bend over to see... I think a better idea would be to make the observation window start at the normal height for people standing but extend further down so people sitting could easily see outside without standing up, but weren't forced to hunch over if there was a good reason to run to the window for some reason...
Of course you can do it any which way you want and use any reasoning, but I think you limited yourself with that small detail... take care. PLEASE, keep them coming.
If the dorsal is an escape vehicle it should have engines on the back side... maybe the back panels explode off?
I can't imagine how costly, it's worth. Maybe you shòuld get into, special effects, for movies.
I don't see the original concept of saucer sep as including any of the dorsal decks still attached. I think, cinematically, it was just the saucer on its own as a 'life boat' for the crew.
That would be in keeping with how we saw the Enterprise D Galaxy class separate for that very reason in Star Trek: Generations.
Then again, its never specifically said and it is a fictional ship so it can be anything you feel is right from a real world engineering perspective 🤷♂️
Love the build and vid, random comments on Saucer separation. First, why? Where is the evidence that the TOS 1701 or 1701A for that matter had a separable saucer section? This concept wasn't introduced until TNG on 1701D. I see no reason that any previous ships would have this feature. Sure it's a neat idea, but it's unnecessary.
Second, if the saucer separates it should be done between deck 7 and 8. It's just strange to have this small appendage sticking out and furthermore there is little space for the infrastructure required for all the clamping mechanisms that hold the two sections together.
Carry on and thank you.
The idea of the TOS Enterprise having saucer separation was mentioned in "The Apple" [S2] and in "The Savage Curtain" [S3]. But it was only as a very last-ditch emergency measure, unlike TNG where it was supposed to be a more routine feature.
Making the dorsal neck skin out of fiberglass in that size is going to be extremely difficult. You're better of doing it in sections the Bondo the seams. That would be the best approach. The best thing to do is laminate single sheets then cut and flex them into place.
I expect the greebleing in the final models super structure will be done better? This flat "steel" layers isn't how it would look.
so where does the elevator fit
The work is very good! I feel the dkrsal section could be more strong in terms of structure. It's a crucial part of the ship, and I think it could be mostly made by great, strong pillars, due the enormous gravitational forces when accelerate or diminishing speed; a spacefull of tubes, machinery, etc. Not leasure spaces. IMO...
God is at work again. Thank you
Fiberglass for skin? Nah, use aluminum.
You can paint it or finish tonight look super realistic.
hmm, couldn't you just simply use sheets of polystyrene for the hull? the stuff that plastic scale models are made off?
But will it fly??
Where's your Jeffry's tube that we know is part of the dorsal that runs down the back side?
There will only ever be one real Enterprise NCC-1701and it's in the Smithsonian Air & Space Museum. 11 feet is more than enough size.
The 3 footer that was rediscovered after having been missing for over 45 years is the real first and true Enterprise.
Will you do the Klingon d7 next? build them facing each other (in different buildings lol) that would be awesome!
in star trek beyond the sauser and the part you show detatches from the secendary hull then later uhura detatches the neck from the sauser watch that part of that movie