Great review. There are a lot of benefits to the FR1. I find most people are able to skate better with the FR1’s vs the full Wizard setup in the beginning. The Carbon boot takes some getting used to while finding the right insole.
An interesting point is how the FR1 is designed. I think the comfort factor is partly due to the the way the liner sits outside the shell a bit. It feels less confined.
For me, the Wizard Intuition liner with the Seba SX2 Wizard boot is such a perfect combination and it just feels so much comfier when broken in. I also have the FR1 with the Intuition Premiums and while they are also comfortable, there is a special feeling with the full Wizard setup I am not getting with the FR1.
Good review. Couple things-you can get more support out of the FR by playing with the rockerable cuff-screws pointed “toward the heel” will give you the most support. Other thing… may wanna check out the Endless Arc CS or Endless frames in general. CS is the only 5 wheel I’ve skated but according to many it’s “the danciest 5 wheel frame”, and they also make frame locks that work with all their frames to keep them from shifting side to side that work very well
All true and a very good point is like everything in love the better the tool the better result should be but to me at the end of the day is on the skater skills I have seen Shaun unwin for example doing amazing things with an old pair of rental skates so yes there is a difference but not need of paying a lot of money to have fun skating and achieving good tricks or wizard stuff it but if you have the money spend it as you want. Thanks for the video very interesting.
Great video Cam! Its nice to see this addressed. To give another point of view, i would like to add my experience on the point of durability. For me, the FR1 is superior in that regard. 1. The CJs have their own weakspot. Its the leather part below the back of the cuff. This will over time come loose for many people and greatly increase the forward flex. I managed to fix it, but it sucks. 2. Abrasions on the carbon. You can scuff up the plastic of FR1s a lot and its no big deal. But damaging the exposed carbon heel of the CJs will quickly become more problematic. You can hurt yourself on the exposed fibres (i did) and should cover them up to safely touch your skates. So if you scrape them during a session, inspect them afterwards to avoid getting carbon fibres into your fingers. That annoyed me a bit at least. Cheers and keep it Up!
Thank you, and excellent input! That's a shame those issues happen over time- I'll need to keep an eye out for that carbon issue. Perhaps this is why people opt for the soul plates on carbons sometimes (aside from doing grinds)?
@@CamGoodTimes No worries! Yeah, best to make sure you check your boots from time to time. I didnt realize i had the forward flex issue before reading it on the swivel council discord! I imagine thats propably one reason why people use souls, yes!
@@CamGoodTimes I bought a good quality black duct tape and basically covered the carbon heel with 2 layers of it. To cover up the spots and protect it a bit. Its been working alright so far. But i have also since avoided doing tricks with higher risk of falling in that setup.
Hi, Thank you for this very personal comparison. There would be a lot of things to say, but only one is really missing in this video in my opinion: the weight of the setups. This is the thing that shocks me the most when I hand over wizards. This setup is heavier than a "165mn" and much more than a "trinity", really heavier, especially compared to versions with integrated liners. I use this setup less than the others for this reason. On the other hand, the great strength of the UFS system is stability. It is lower than the other setups, definitely. Thanks for the video.
Hey sure thing! Thanks for the feedback- that's a good point. The full Wizard setup is heavier than the FR1. It doesn't make much of a difference for me personally. To be fair though, I am also a skier, and so perhaps the weight is not as noticable for me because I am used to much heavier skis. This is certainly something that can be an issue for some though and is worth mentioning.
Love my FR boots with NN 4x90 setup but the moving frame and flex from the upper boot are my biggest issues right now. Thank you for a detailed comparison I will be getting the Seba SX!
Thank you for the great info! New sub! I'm getting back into blading after 25yrs. Got my daughter some, and she wants me along on adventures. I went iceskating recently, and it was like riding a bike. (I'll just need some protective gear) The skates I'm looking at are the Powerslide Next charcoal 90, but I'm not exactly sure what to get. Wizard, freestyle, urban, and some skateparks are my interest. (Too general? But seems that there is overlap) Do you think the Charcoal 90s would be good for wizard? Thank you, i have more of your videos to watch!
So happy to hear this was helpful to you! Thanks for the kind feedback. I have never used Powerslide boots, mostly because I have flat, wider feet. However, I have known people who have had good experiences doing Wizard skating with them, especially if you were to buy some NN trinity frames or something similar.
Great watch! Pretty much agree with all your points from my experience with the FR1/NN dragons compared to my current Carbon SX2/Advanced setup. Both work great but you can really tell the difference in performance (and price :D) with the SX2/Advanced.
Thank you for the comparison, weighing up the costs to purchase a full Wizard (already run CJ's/SEBA/NN/Endless setups). As mentioned by Fernando Santos (below) would love to know the weight differences between the plastic FR and Carbon SX setups. And also the differences between the the frames. I notice my NN Dragons are about 435 grams (each), a whopping 50% heavier than the Endless 90s!
Hey you are welcome! So glad to hear it was helpful. I don't currently have a way to accurately weigh both skates, but the SX Carbon doesn't personally feel much heavier than the FR1s. It seems the rocker of my NN dragon is quite similar to the rocker of Wizards. The Wizard frames feel a little more rigid overall, but both are still very durable, strong frames and this difference isn't very significant. Any other specific details you would like to know on these?
@@CamGoodTimes thanks that's good to know. I notice the Endless rocker is too subtle for my tastes and prefer the NN and glad to hear the NN is more like the Wizard in that sense. My only gripe is these setups are all so heavy. Oh well, time to hit the gym and get those squats in haha
Want an Wizard Advanced Frame for 200$ instead of 500$? try the Sago 5 Pro (with an even lower COG using one 72mm wheel) i coupled them with the FR SL Speed, which has the first ever integrated intuition liner in a skate result is amazing
Thanks for the tip! I've really wanted to get the FR SL speed. That looks like an incredible boot to use. They seem to be hard to find though- do you know where they tend to be in stock lately?
Both of those would be great setups as well. The best one for you may depend on your foot width- FR1 tends to be wider fitting and Twister is narrower. Both are very supportive and well-made.
@@CamGoodTimes thank you for the feedback! I heard the new model twister is wide friendly. I'm fortunate enough to have access to a shop that has those models so I can try them on.
Good comparison/review even if I would not dare to call these "budget". Just two little things, Seba SX/CJ was not "built in a way to make those tricks as smooth as possible" but originally designed as an agressive skate, wizard skating came after and took advantage of these boots stiffness (frame definitely is though) and a carbon boot will never be as durable as its plastic counterpart, this one being an exception and on par due to its removable liner, but skin will rip anyway and inserts for sliders and ankle strap might get loose at some point (source : got 3 pairs of those, 1 properly destroyed)
Thanks for the feedback! Good points. Perhaps a more accurate way of describing the boot design would be to say the wizard intuitions were built perfectly for the SX to support Wizard moves, and as a combo it is amazing. That's also good to know about the durability over time- how long did it take for you to destroy one of the pairs, by the way?
@@CamGoodTimesI'd say 1, maybe 2 years, but I do agressive skating and I still use the "destroyed" ones (without sliders and ankle strap but still plenty of life in it) so I would not bother much, just pay attention when you crank the ankle strap up not being too rough, because its inserts will probably be the fist part to break (+ just glue back the skin when and where it fails to make it last longer).
Do you use stock FR shell soles (inserts)? My Seba FR3 came with hard foam soles which were hot glued to the boot, about 5 mm. I'm getting a feeling its not ideal for power transfer and balance. Some newer scates come with thin plastic ones just to protect liner from rubbing. Although removing it creates too much space so the stock liners don't even touch upper parts of the shell. Also seba FR stock laces are very mediocre, swapped them for waxed hockey ones and its night a day difference in the way you can tighten them.
Funny you should say that, I finally put some wax laces on my Seba SX just after recording this and you are absolutely right- it is a world of difference. I need to do the same with my FR1, as the laces are the same mediocre ones on those as well. My FR1 actually only came with the thin protective layer, and that's been working just fine due to downsizing with an intuition V2 liner. I also am using the intuition heel pad and I think that works perfectly for me in making sure I fill the shell in sufficiently.
I noticed that too, I had fr3 with thick glued insole, and had no space for my feet in 39 EU. Sold them. Now I bought Fr1 EU 40, and now it looks too big, I didn’t know they had a thin glued insole (2022 models I guess). So now I am wondering if the 39 would fit me again …
Thanks! Here's some comparison: -The NN "Vm" frames seem to be pretty close to the rocker of the wizard frames. I haven't noticed much of a difference. I don't like the flow of the NN "V" rocker frames as much, as this initially causes more than two wheels to contact the ground at a time, but they are just fine as you wear them in. -NN now makes UFS frames, so those are a great budget alternative to Wizard if you are wanting similar feel. -Overall, both frames are super durable and I have not had any issues with either of them. -Both are similar in weight, but if you want specifics there, there is a post on Reddit that talks about it. Any other questions you have about that?
Great review! How does the ronin and dragon frames compare? I would like to get one of those in the near future. Also what size did you go with the fr and Seba boots?
Thanks Justin! I have size 40 with both boots. The Ronin is an excellent all-around frame, with good speed and maneuverability. The dragon is excellent for super-smooth Wizard tricks due to a much shorter turn radius, but does not give you as much momentum or speed overall.
Great thanks I have FR2’s with endless 90 and would like to get 5 wheels next. Can you tell me how big of a difference is between 165 vs UFS for 5 wheels for wizard?
@@justinlaiduc9691 Sure thing! Even though 165 works well, it is even easier to control and maneuver with the UFS mount. The stability is superior with UFS as well due to lower ride height. Not a huge difference, but an important one for me because of how invested I am in Wizard blading at this point.
a couple fit questions - just to confirm, you ordered the same size for both? eu - how do they compare in terms of wideness in the toebox? - is there any difference in pressure on your heel where the achilles tendon inserts? (have injured it previously and still rehabbing it a bit)
- Yes, same size for both, although this may not work for everyone due to different shell sizes in both models. -They both feel about the same to me as far as wideness in toe box. -both also feel about the same for me as far as pressure on the heel- they have both been comfortable, and the FR1's have been most supportive and comfortable for my feet overall (I have flat feet, and so I like the built-in arch support both provide along with the intuition liners).
I really enjoyed the video, very helpfull =) However I'd like to ask something.. I recently purchased the RB 110 with 3 wheels, and now I realized, I'd REALLY like to progress and learn wizard skating. would you say that since I'm in the beggining stages, would I be ok to learn wizard with those RB 110 if I put an endless 90 frame and 4x90 wheels? would it be doable for a year or something, and then move into your budget FR setup maybe? Thank you in advance :)
Thanks! That would totally be doable. The nice thing about wizard frames is some of them are also great for beginners! Mounting a 4x90 would be an excellent choice for that boot, as it would give you a lot of maneuverability and still be quite stable.
That's a solid setup! I just used the FR3 velcro strap on mine. Ironically, it is made for the cheaper model but I like it better than the ratchet strap. It feels basically the same as the velcro strap used on my Seba SX boots.
Hello @Cam Good Times! Great comparison approach with your explanation. Also I agree adults need to play. I enjoy skating and fishing after a work day. I like you have flat feet. I bought a pair of powerslide Kaze about 2 years ago in size 42, they seemed a bit snug so I exchanged for a 43 (slightly larger I had about an index finger space from my big toe to front of the boot. My feet are on fire about 15 minutes of skating. Also I feel the Kaze have a built-in arch. I am thinking of trying the fr fr1(non intuition possibly the intuition version) for cruising learning slides. I measured my foot vus a piece of paper against a wall which came to 26cm. I have a pair of sneakers which are snug that are 42.5cm size 9 USA. Which size boot would you recommend in the fr fr1 and does the fr1 have flat sole or an arch? Thank you for your help and keep providing help with skaters and mentally!
Wow, thank you for all your positive feedback and support, and I'm so happy to hear you have found these videos helpful! I have heard similar experiences with the Kaze- it seems to be a difficult fit for quite a few people. It can be frustrating to invest so much money just to experience more pain. I have found that the intuition liners have really been the main reason inline skating has worked well for me, and has basically eliminated foot pain from my blading. The FR1 has good built-in arch support that pairs well with the intuition liners. With your feet being 26cm, which is very close to my size, you may find the FR1 size 40 with a small intuition v2 liner a great fit for you. I am not experienced with the fitting of the FR intuitions unfortunately. However, this all also depends on how wide or narrow your feet are, as the FR1 does fit regular to wide feet, depending on the shell size. I recommend talking to @Shop-Task if you live in the States or Canada to get more specific sizing help, or I can offer other recommendations if you live in another part of the world.
@Cam Good Times, thank you for the response! I live in Orlando Florida so I will definitely reach out to Shop-task and consider the v2 liners. My width is 10mm. Thank you again for the response enjoy the long weekend and get some skating in!!
Great question. I have seen some "ankle sleeves" on inline warehouse that may be of help (usually to keep from chafing, but may give a tighter fit for you). I would say that using a thicker liner may be of help as well. If you want to go with intuitions, I hear that the Premium liner is a bit thicker than the V2 and the Wizard liner, and so that may work. Definitely talk with the folks at Wizard skating if that is something you are interested in looking into.
@@YanVulich hey sure thing! From what I have heard, they have worked fairly well for people who have used them. Some have liked the fit and feel of the CJ's a bit more, but the UFR still seems to provide enough support for great wizard moves.
@@CamGoodTimes great, thanks a lot! From the pictures they seems a bit higher off the ground than Sebas. It seems important as mostly I intend to use them with 100mm frames
That's a great question. It has more to do with wheel size rather than length of frame. The higher the wheel size, the harder it is to maneuver due to more space between each wheel. Even though the Wizard Advanced frame is longer than most other Wizard frames, it is still easier to turn than a 4x100 frame. Since your feet are about the same size as mine, I would imagine a 4x100 or bigger would be challenging if you are new to Wizard skating, but the 5x76, 5x80, or 4x90 would all be great options to start from.
@@CamGoodTimes thank you for your quick informative response. I am a beginner to intermediate in inline skating (still practising how to stop😅). I am in the purchasing stage now. I have the SEBA high-light carbon 2018. I did a mistake by ordering the wrong size (one size smaller). It causes me pain and uncomfortable skating. I was planning to get the Iqon TR10 with a TR90 frame. But I am a little bit confused about why all are getting an aggressive boot for that. There are so many frames for an urban skate. I am a little bit lost here.
@@anas7hamed you are welcome! It is understandable how confusing it can be seeing so many different kinds of setups. The reason the Wizard frames were originally made for aggressive boots was to help keep your foot as close as possible to the ground for maximum control. At the same time, the 165 mount frames work great and you can still do any Wizard moves in them. They just aren't quite as precise and stable as the aggressive (UFS) mount. Another thing to keep in mind is not all aggressive boots will work well for Wizard skating- it's best to have plenty of ankle support and ideally have a 45° strap or a good lacing system to lock your foot down further (keeping ankles locked down in the boot). The IQON seems like it would be a good boot for Wizarding with the carbon shell and cuff it provides.
@@CamGoodTimes much appreciated. now I understand why they focus on SEBA CJ/SX and IQON AG10. did you try the IQON decode pro frames for wizard skating? but if the key for wizard-style is to keep your foot as close as possible to the ground why they did not choose the trinity mount? according to my knowledge, it provides the closet setup to the ground. now I am in between the IQON TR10 and AG10. what do you think? which one do you think provides more comfortable skating?
That would likely be a great setup. I personally think the AG10 would likely be more comfortable as well. It really depends on what fits your foot best though. I haven't yet tried any of the IQON products, but my friend has loved using their frames on his Rollerblade Twisters. Wizard frames were developed almost a decade ago, and so I think that was before Trinity was released. At the same time, it seems the UFS mount is still particularly beneficial due to the heel part also being low to the ground.
I think it really depends on your experience with Wizard tricks. PR80 is amazing if you are just starting as well as for experienced skaters- it's very smooth to ride and pivot on. Wizard Advanced is best if you have a bit of experience, as it is the longest Wizard frame out there and demands some more precise technique due to the unique wheel configuration.
It is the SX Carbon from wizardskating.com. From what I understand, the CJs (carbon and plastic) main differences is they come with a stock liner that is less supportive than intuitions and have soulplates (detachable). Otherwise, they appear to be the same boot design and can be fitted with intuitions as well. Hope that answers your questions!
fr1 with NN are so far from a budget setup. with the NN frame you can run 4 bolts on you FR1 boot if it has the 7 hole mount plate. three at least + they are a larger 5/16 bolt making them stronger than the ufs but obviously not the locating spigot. Honestly would heve prefered a comparison with the 5 wheeled NN verus the 5 wheeled wizard.
I didn't realize you could run 4 bolts like that on the FR1. This video was made almost 2 years ago, so I imagine many more budget options have become available since that time.
@@CamGoodTimes Yeah I understand its only because wizards are so expensive. Running 3 or 4 bolts on the frames gives me so much peace of mind when urban skating. Things do rarely come loose Your vid is really good and more relevant now as more skaters discover rockering again! Your vid rocks!
The problem is when you just want to skate. Without figure skating by yourself in a small area. The budget skate is better for everything except figure skating Powerslide Next Trinity Endless 90 LR. All Day
Always a pleasure listening to your reviews!
Thanks Nigel!
Great review. There are a lot of benefits to the FR1. I find most people are able to skate better with the FR1’s vs the full Wizard setup in the beginning. The Carbon boot takes some getting used to while finding the right insole.
Thanks! Great points. It's also great to go with the FR1 when uncertain of how much someone wants to be dedicated to Wizard Blading.
An interesting point is how the FR1 is designed. I think the comfort factor is partly due to the the way the liner sits outside the shell a bit. It feels less confined.
@@softlk8810 I agree- I think it then lets you have more option in how loose or tight you want to fasten the boot.
Great review! FR1 and NN frame setup seems very luxurious setup to me :)
Thank you! It has been an amazing setup for me and I think you'll really like it if they fit well for your feet.
For me, the Wizard Intuition liner with the Seba SX2 Wizard boot is such a perfect combination and it just feels so much comfier when broken in. I also have the FR1 with the Intuition Premiums and while they are also comfortable, there is a special feeling with the full Wizard setup I am not getting with the FR1.
That combo is a magical one- look forward to every time I put them on for a session.
that special feeling is the hundreds missing from your bank account
@@wingdingdmetrius8025 Sadly this is also very true 😅
Definitely worth it though.
I really appreciate this information Cam. Very informative and insightful! I love my FR1's. You inspire me to keep getting better.
Sure thing brother! Thanks so much for being a part in all this adventure with me!
Good review. Couple things-you can get more support out of the FR by playing with the rockerable cuff-screws pointed “toward the heel” will give you the most support. Other thing… may wanna check out the Endless Arc CS or Endless frames in general. CS is the only 5 wheel I’ve skated but according to many it’s “the danciest 5 wheel frame”, and they also make frame locks that work with all their frames to keep them from shifting side to side that work very well
Thanks for the feedback! I have heard great things about those frames so far.
All true and a very good point is like everything in love the better the tool the better result should be but to me at the end of the day is on the skater skills I have seen Shaun unwin for example doing amazing things with an old pair of rental skates so yes there is a difference but not need of paying a lot of money to have fun skating and achieving good tricks or wizard stuff it but if you have the money spend it as you want. Thanks for the video very interesting.
Glad to hear! Thank you for the kind feedback. I've seen that Shawn Unwin video- completely amazing what he was able to do on those!
Great video Cam! Its nice to see this addressed.
To give another point of view, i would like to add my experience on the point of durability. For me, the FR1 is superior in that regard.
1. The CJs have their own weakspot. Its the leather part below the back of the cuff. This will over time come loose for many people and greatly increase the forward flex. I managed to fix it, but it sucks.
2. Abrasions on the carbon. You can scuff up the plastic of FR1s a lot and its no big deal. But damaging the exposed carbon heel of the CJs will quickly become more problematic. You can hurt yourself on the exposed fibres (i did) and should cover them up to safely touch your skates. So if you scrape them during a session, inspect them afterwards to avoid getting carbon fibres into your fingers. That annoyed me a bit at least.
Cheers and keep it Up!
Thank you, and excellent input! That's a shame those issues happen over time- I'll need to keep an eye out for that carbon issue. Perhaps this is why people opt for the soul plates on carbons sometimes (aside from doing grinds)?
Lastly, what worked well for you in covering the exposed fibres?
@@CamGoodTimes No worries! Yeah, best to make sure you check your boots from time to time. I didnt realize i had the forward flex issue before reading it on the swivel council discord!
I imagine thats propably one reason why people use souls, yes!
@@CamGoodTimes I bought a good quality black duct tape and basically covered the carbon heel with 2 layers of it. To cover up the spots and protect it a bit. Its been working alright so far. But i have also since avoided doing tricks with higher risk of falling in that setup.
@@flyytaniac381 thanks again for all the feedback! This is super helpful.
Hi,
Thank you for this very personal comparison. There would be a lot of things to say, but only one is really missing in this video in my opinion: the weight of the setups.
This is the thing that shocks me the most when I hand over wizards. This setup is heavier than a "165mn" and much more than a "trinity", really heavier, especially compared to versions with integrated liners. I use this setup less than the others for this reason.
On the other hand, the great strength of the UFS system is stability. It is lower than the other setups, definitely.
Thanks for the video.
Hey sure thing! Thanks for the feedback- that's a good point. The full Wizard setup is heavier than the FR1. It doesn't make much of a difference for me personally. To be fair though, I am also a skier, and so perhaps the weight is not as noticable for me because I am used to much heavier skis. This is certainly something that can be an issue for some though and is worth mentioning.
Great video. Solid points. I need to get a set of advanced
Thanks man! They are amazing frames that really offer a good challenge.
Dude this just makes me want a Wizard setup so bad with those Advanced frames! Great comparison video.
Thanks so much! If only Wizard could sponsor us and we could accrue all the goodness much more quickly :)
@@CamGoodTimes Haha they don't need to, they have all the Shop Task ppl and more already.
Unfortunately this is true, lol. If only we could have jumped onto that years ago!
Great stuff buddy! Lots of good info, I've been thinking about getting a wizard setup myself.
Thanks brother! Man you'll love the Wizard flow- it really takes big wheeling to the next level.
Love my FR boots with NN 4x90 setup but the moving frame and flex from the upper boot are my biggest issues right now. Thank you for a detailed comparison I will be getting the Seba SX!
So happy it was a useful review for you! There is definitely a bit more flex with the FRs, but still a solid boot.
Gonna get Endless arc soon
That's great! I hear those frames are awesome
Thank you for the great info!
New sub!
I'm getting back into blading after 25yrs.
Got my daughter some, and she wants me along on adventures.
I went iceskating recently, and it was like riding a bike. (I'll just need some protective gear)
The skates I'm looking at are the Powerslide Next charcoal 90, but I'm not exactly sure what to get.
Wizard, freestyle, urban, and some skateparks are my interest. (Too general? But seems that there is overlap)
Do you think the Charcoal 90s would be good for wizard?
Thank you, i have more of your videos to watch!
So happy to hear this was helpful to you! Thanks for the kind feedback.
I have never used Powerslide boots, mostly because I have flat, wider feet. However, I have known people who have had good experiences doing Wizard skating with them, especially if you were to buy some NN trinity frames or something similar.
Great comparison. Subscribed 🤙
Thanks! Glad you found it helpful.
Good stuff
Thank you!
Great watch! Pretty much agree with all your points from my experience with the FR1/NN dragons compared to my current Carbon SX2/Advanced setup. Both work great but you can really tell the difference in performance (and price :D) with the SX2/Advanced.
Thanks man! There really is quite the leap in feel between the two. Loving the content on your channel by the way!
Nice review I really love those blue skates
Thanks man!
Thank you for the comparison, weighing up the costs to purchase a full Wizard (already run CJ's/SEBA/NN/Endless setups). As mentioned by Fernando Santos (below) would love to know the weight differences between the plastic FR and Carbon SX setups. And also the differences between the the frames. I notice my NN Dragons are about 435 grams (each), a whopping 50% heavier than the Endless 90s!
Hey you are welcome! So glad to hear it was helpful.
I don't currently have a way to accurately weigh both skates, but the SX Carbon doesn't personally feel much heavier than the FR1s.
It seems the rocker of my NN dragon is quite similar to the rocker of Wizards. The Wizard frames feel a little more rigid overall, but both are still very durable, strong frames and this difference isn't very significant. Any other specific details you would like to know on these?
@@CamGoodTimes thanks that's good to know. I notice the Endless rocker is too subtle for my tastes and prefer the NN and glad to hear the NN is more like the Wizard in that sense. My only gripe is these setups are all so heavy. Oh well, time to hit the gym and get those squats in haha
Want an Wizard Advanced Frame for 200$ instead of 500$?
try the Sago 5 Pro (with an even lower COG using one 72mm wheel)
i coupled them with the FR SL Speed, which has the first ever integrated intuition liner in a skate
result is amazing
Thanks for the tip! I've really wanted to get the FR SL speed. That looks like an incredible boot to use. They seem to be hard to find though- do you know where they tend to be in stock lately?
two great setups! I'm tossing around the purchase idea of the FR-1 or the Twister X boot to combine with the endless 90 frame.
Both of those would be great setups as well. The best one for you may depend on your foot width- FR1 tends to be wider fitting and Twister is narrower. Both are very supportive and well-made.
@@CamGoodTimes thank you for the feedback! I heard the new model twister is wide friendly. I'm fortunate enough to have access to a shop that has those models so I can try them on.
@@BuDu-ms2qe that's great to hear! I'm also a bit jealous you have a shop nearby!
Good comparison/review even if I would not dare to call these "budget". Just two little things, Seba SX/CJ was not "built in a way to make those tricks as smooth as possible" but originally designed as an agressive skate, wizard skating came after and took advantage of these boots stiffness (frame definitely is though) and a carbon boot will never be as durable as its plastic counterpart, this one being an exception and on par due to its removable liner, but skin will rip anyway and inserts for sliders and ankle strap might get loose at some point (source : got 3 pairs of those, 1 properly destroyed)
Thanks for the feedback! Good points. Perhaps a more accurate way of describing the boot design would be to say the wizard intuitions were built perfectly for the SX to support Wizard moves, and as a combo it is amazing. That's also good to know about the durability over time- how long did it take for you to destroy one of the pairs, by the way?
@@CamGoodTimesI'd say 1, maybe 2 years, but I do agressive skating and I still use the "destroyed" ones (without sliders and ankle strap but still plenty of life in it) so I would not bother much, just pay attention when you crank the ankle strap up not being too rough, because its inserts will probably be the fist part to break (+ just glue back the skin when and where it fails to make it last longer).
Thanks for the tip! I'll keep that in mind.
Interesting , subscribed . Regarding your problem ,did you try using this kind of a washer starlock washers ?
Thank you, Natan. I had not tried that before- thanks for the tip! I'll look into using those .
@@CamGoodTimes A good decent washer and a bolt ,can solve many problems . I usually order from Ebay etc .
Do you use stock FR shell soles (inserts)? My Seba FR3 came with hard foam soles which were hot glued to the boot, about 5 mm. I'm getting a feeling its not ideal for power transfer and balance. Some newer scates come with thin plastic ones just to protect liner from rubbing. Although removing it creates too much space so the stock liners don't even touch upper parts of the shell.
Also seba FR stock laces are very mediocre, swapped them for waxed hockey ones and its night a day difference in the way you can tighten them.
Funny you should say that, I finally put some wax laces on my Seba SX just after recording this and you are absolutely right- it is a world of difference. I need to do the same with my FR1, as the laces are the same mediocre ones on those as well.
My FR1 actually only came with the thin protective layer, and that's been working just fine due to downsizing with an intuition V2 liner. I also am using the intuition heel pad and I think that works perfectly for me in making sure I fill the shell in sufficiently.
I noticed that too, I had fr3 with thick glued insole, and had no space for my feet in 39 EU. Sold them. Now I bought Fr1 EU 40, and now it looks too big, I didn’t know they had a thin glued insole (2022 models I guess). So now I am wondering if the 39 would fit me again …
Great comparison on the skates, would have loved to hear more about how the NN frames match up against the wizard frames
Thanks! Here's some comparison:
-The NN "Vm" frames seem to be pretty close to the rocker of the wizard frames. I haven't noticed much of a difference. I don't like the flow of the NN "V" rocker frames as much, as this initially causes more than two wheels to contact the ground at a time, but they are just fine as you wear them in.
-NN now makes UFS frames, so those are a great budget alternative to Wizard if you are wanting similar feel.
-Overall, both frames are super durable and I have not had any issues with either of them.
-Both are similar in weight, but if you want specifics there, there is a post on Reddit that talks about it.
Any other questions you have about that?
For additional info on this, @olderbladers did a great review comparing many different brands here: ruclips.net/video/8mYYebKi1MM/видео.html
Great review! How does the ronin and dragon frames compare? I would like to get one of those in the near future. Also what size did you go with the fr and Seba boots?
Thanks Justin! I have size 40 with both boots. The Ronin is an excellent all-around frame, with good speed and maneuverability. The dragon is excellent for super-smooth Wizard tricks due to a much shorter turn radius, but does not give you as much momentum or speed overall.
Great thanks I have FR2’s with endless 90 and would like to get 5 wheels next. Can you tell me how big of a difference is between 165 vs UFS for 5 wheels for wizard?
@@justinlaiduc9691 Sure thing! Even though 165 works well, it is even easier to control and maneuver with the UFS mount. The stability is superior with UFS as well due to lower ride height. Not a huge difference, but an important one for me because of how invested I am in Wizard blading at this point.
@@CamGoodTimes not what I want to hear haha! Ok might have to think about a 2nd set dedicated to wizard skating!
Did you end up doing a carbon cuff?
Oh that's right! Thanks for reminding me. I still need to give that a go. How has it been for you so far?
a couple fit questions
- just to confirm, you ordered the same size for both? eu
- how do they compare in terms of wideness in the toebox?
- is there any difference in pressure on your heel where the achilles tendon inserts? (have injured it previously and still rehabbing it a bit)
- Yes, same size for both, although this may not work for everyone due to different shell sizes in both models.
-They both feel about the same to me as far as wideness in toe box.
-both also feel about the same for me as far as pressure on the heel- they have both been comfortable, and the FR1's have been most supportive and comfortable for my feet overall (I have flat feet, and so I like the built-in arch support both provide along with the intuition liners).
I really enjoyed the video, very helpfull =) However I'd like to ask something.. I recently purchased the RB 110 with 3 wheels, and now I realized, I'd REALLY like to progress and learn wizard skating. would you say that since I'm in the beggining stages, would I be ok to learn wizard with those RB 110 if I put an endless 90 frame and 4x90 wheels? would it be doable for a year or something, and then move into your budget FR setup maybe? Thank you in advance :)
Thanks! That would totally be doable. The nice thing about wizard frames is some of them are also great for beginners! Mounting a 4x90 would be an excellent choice for that boot, as it would give you a lot of maneuverability and still be quite stable.
rockin the fr1 with intuition liner and endless 90 its a great controllable feel! what velcro strap would you recommend?
That's a solid setup! I just used the FR3 velcro strap on mine. Ironically, it is made for the cheaper model but I like it better than the ratchet strap. It feels basically the same as the velcro strap used on my Seba SX boots.
Had both, definitely prefer the sx
The support really is next level
Gracias por el video saludos de lima peru
¡de nada! Saludos de los Estados Unidos
Hello @Cam Good Times! Great comparison approach with your explanation. Also I agree adults need to play. I enjoy skating and fishing after a work day. I like you have flat feet. I bought a pair of powerslide Kaze about 2 years ago in size 42, they seemed a bit snug so I exchanged for a 43 (slightly larger I had about an index finger space from my big toe to front of the boot. My feet are on fire about 15 minutes of skating. Also I feel the Kaze have a built-in arch. I am thinking of trying the fr fr1(non intuition possibly the intuition version) for cruising learning slides. I measured my foot vus a piece of paper against a wall which came to 26cm. I have a pair of sneakers which are snug that are 42.5cm size 9 USA. Which size boot would you recommend in the fr fr1 and does the fr1 have flat sole or an arch? Thank you for your help and keep providing help with skaters and mentally!
Wow, thank you for all your positive feedback and support, and I'm so happy to hear you have found these videos helpful!
I have heard similar experiences with the Kaze- it seems to be a difficult fit for quite a few people. It can be frustrating to invest so much money just to experience more pain.
I have found that the intuition liners have really been the main reason inline skating has worked well for me, and has basically eliminated foot pain from my blading. The FR1 has good built-in arch support that pairs well with the intuition liners. With your feet being 26cm, which is very close to my size, you may find the FR1 size 40 with a small intuition v2 liner a great fit for you. I am not experienced with the fitting of the FR intuitions unfortunately. However, this all also depends on how wide or narrow your feet are, as the FR1 does fit regular to wide feet, depending on the shell size. I recommend talking to @Shop-Task if you live in the States or Canada to get more specific sizing help, or I can offer other recommendations if you live in another part of the world.
@Cam Good Times, thank you for the response! I live in Orlando Florida so I will definitely reach out to Shop-task and consider the v2 liners. My width is 10mm. Thank you again for the response enjoy the long weekend and get some skating in!!
Hey sure thing man! Happy to be of help!
How do you handle skinny ankles? At the moment i wrap socks around mine but just looking to see if there is a better solution
Great question. I have seen some "ankle sleeves" on inline warehouse that may be of help (usually to keep from chafing, but may give a tighter fit for you). I would say that using a thicker liner may be of help as well. If you want to go with intuitions, I hear that the Premium liner is a bit thicker than the V2 and the Wizard liner, and so that may work. Definitely talk with the folks at Wizard skating if that is something you are interested in looking into.
@@CamGoodTimes thanks for that, will ask around
Great comparison! Thank you! Did you have a chance to skate FR UFR boots?
Hey sure thing! I haven't had the chance to try the UFR's. They seem to be a great UFS alternative for Wizard frames though.
@@CamGoodTimes are they good alternative to Seba CJ? Thank you!
@@YanVulich hey sure thing! From what I have heard, they have worked fairly well for people who have used them. Some have liked the fit and feel of the CJ's a bit more, but the UFR still seems to provide enough support for great wizard moves.
@@CamGoodTimes great, thanks a lot! From the pictures they seems a bit higher off the ground than Sebas. It seems important as mostly I intend to use them with 100mm frames
How do I know what is the right frame length for wizard skating? My foot length is about 261mm.
That's a great question. It has more to do with wheel size rather than length of frame. The higher the wheel size, the harder it is to maneuver due to more space between each wheel. Even though the Wizard Advanced frame is longer than most other Wizard frames, it is still easier to turn than a 4x100 frame.
Since your feet are about the same size as mine, I would imagine a 4x100 or bigger would be challenging if you are new to Wizard skating, but the 5x76, 5x80, or 4x90 would all be great options to start from.
@@CamGoodTimes thank you for your quick informative response. I am a beginner to intermediate in inline skating (still practising how to stop😅). I am in the purchasing stage now. I have the SEBA high-light carbon 2018. I did a mistake by ordering the wrong size (one size smaller). It causes me pain and uncomfortable skating.
I was planning to get the Iqon TR10 with a TR90 frame. But I am a little bit confused about why all are getting an aggressive boot for that. There are so many frames for an urban skate. I am a little bit lost here.
@@anas7hamed you are welcome! It is understandable how confusing it can be seeing so many different kinds of setups. The reason the Wizard frames were originally made for aggressive boots was to help keep your foot as close as possible to the ground for maximum control. At the same time, the 165 mount frames work great and you can still do any Wizard moves in them. They just aren't quite as precise and stable as the aggressive (UFS) mount.
Another thing to keep in mind is not all aggressive boots will work well for Wizard skating- it's best to have plenty of ankle support and ideally have a 45° strap or a good lacing system to lock your foot down further (keeping ankles locked down in the boot). The IQON seems like it would be a good boot for Wizarding with the carbon shell and cuff it provides.
@@CamGoodTimes much appreciated. now I understand why they focus on SEBA CJ/SX and IQON AG10. did you try the IQON decode pro frames for wizard skating? but if the key for wizard-style is to keep your foot as close as possible to the ground why they did not choose the trinity mount? according to my knowledge, it provides the closet setup to the ground.
now I am in between the IQON TR10 and AG10. what do you think? which one do you think provides more comfortable skating?
That would likely be a great setup. I personally think the AG10 would likely be more comfortable as well. It really depends on what fits your foot best though. I haven't yet tried any of the IQON products, but my friend has loved using their frames on his Rollerblade Twisters.
Wizard frames were developed almost a decade ago, and so I think that was before Trinity was released. At the same time, it seems the UFS mount is still particularly beneficial due to the heel part also being low to the ground.
Do you think I should just go for Advanced frame or start on PR80?
I think it really depends on your experience with Wizard tricks. PR80 is amazing if you are just starting as well as for experienced skaters- it's very smooth to ride and pivot on. Wizard Advanced is best if you have a bit of experience, as it is the longest Wizard frame out there and demands some more precise technique due to the unique wheel configuration.
@@CamGoodTimes wow thank you for quick reply and an insight
Sure thing! Happy to be of help!
Is that a Seba SX2 you have or SX Carbon? And what's the difference between SX vs the CJs?
It is the SX Carbon from wizardskating.com. From what I understand, the CJs (carbon and plastic) main differences is they come with a stock liner that is less supportive than intuitions and have soulplates (detachable). Otherwise, they appear to be the same boot design and can be fitted with intuitions as well. Hope that answers your questions!
Where can you buy the velcro lower strap pls?
I usually find them at either Inline Warehouse or Thuro Skate Shop.
This one boot needs a new ankle strap, frame moves under the boot, gotta replace the cuff.... But yeah they pretty similar. Lol
Haha well you have a point there as well.
fr1 with NN are so far from a budget setup. with the NN frame you can run 4 bolts on you FR1 boot if it has the 7 hole mount plate. three at least + they are a larger 5/16 bolt making them stronger than the ufs but obviously not the locating spigot. Honestly would heve prefered a comparison with the 5 wheeled NN verus the 5 wheeled wizard.
I didn't realize you could run 4 bolts like that on the FR1. This video was made almost 2 years ago, so I imagine many more budget options have become available since that time.
@@CamGoodTimes Yeah I understand its only because wizards are so expensive. Running 3 or 4 bolts on the frames gives me so much peace of mind when urban skating. Things do rarely come loose
Your vid is really good and more relevant now as more skaters discover rockering again!
Your vid rocks!
Rollerblade crossfire vs power solidez tao
¡Ojalá tuviera dinero para comprar y probar ambos patines! Ambos parecen ser de alta calidad y muy divertidos.
Send me a pair😁
Hey I can tell you that a lot of skates tend to be discounted lately, so hopefully that can help!
The problem is when you just want to skate. Without figure skating by yourself in a small area. The budget skate is better for everything except figure skating
Powerslide Next Trinity Endless 90 LR. All Day
That's great you have found a skate that suits your needs and desires.
I replaced my cuff strap with a seba velcro strap on my seba carbons, much better.
Thanks for the tip! It can be hard to really tighten the Seba cuff effectively. How did you attach the strap to the cuff?