Another possibility is that the guy from quora used the conjecture from landbased warmachine such as tank and its derivatives. Multiple russian tank types used the same platform but different turrets & electronics
@@mark-ut3pm No, I (the author of the OP) did not use conjecture. I used quotes from the Sukhoi engineers themselves who stated the Su-57 was based on the Su-35. This video cherry picked a single statement out a lengthy post and completely mischaracterized it. Either way, his counter argument is rubbish. I claimed the planes were based on a similar internal airframe, and stated that they only differ in significance on the outside, he cannot dismiss my statement by saying "they aren't the same, look how different they are on the outside!" His rebuttal is nonsense and reaffirms my original statement.
Pretty sure the Wright Flyer had a much more reasonable operating cost per hour and logistics chain (complete repair/reassembly by two people with some spare driftwood after crash was possible).
I got many lessons from you video: 1) it’s possible to employ a bad statement as an starting point, and then show how a superb analysis is performed. 2) The purpose of your video was not to show how smart you are, but with some insights, teach us that everybody can look for key issues and address a complex statement. 3) Your indignation surprised me, but on a second thought, it wasn’t unexpected. 4) Your storytelling has been captivating since the beginning, but it’s even better now. Thank you for putting a lot of effort on this.
First time he gets the idiot award: Reskinned simply implies all the INTERALS are identical. Aerodynamics/turbine performance as defining feature of a fighter aircraft vanished around 1990 if not 1975 . Exterior changes do not matter in big picture. Beams and other Baloney he babbled on about: do not matter and have not mattered since Aircraft started using Titanium. In this context the statement reskinned are right. Why? We do not KNOW what the internals of the Su57 are or what their capabilities are. From what the Russkies have said they are no different to that of the Su35. So, from a point of ignorance, and what the Russkies have said one can always claim it is no different. Now Su35 is only 15 years old so... Has Russia magically gotten advanced avionics manufacturing up and going? Well? Heck NO! Russia does not have access manufacturing to modern avionics combat systems so, yes, Su57 is a reskinned Su35. Yippee skippy its skin as host went ranting on about(its aerodynamics are different) --> NO ONE with 2 brain cells CARES unless we are going to pretend modern missiles do not exist making these aircraft gun platforms... ggggrrrrrr.
@@w8stral oh, really? And how your pha-vo-rite AIM-120 is going to cross even 40 kilometers, if it would be launched from 4 km of altitude? Remind me, what defines the possibility of aircraft to be the "first stage" of a missile? Titanium is not some panacea, mr minecraft mods fan. Internals are different because the two huge ass weapons compartments and the two of the smaller size. Is that not enough? «Russkies»? Can't even add "jot" to the spelling, mister alfabetico latino suprimo? Have your parents harm you during the upbringing? Do you refer to yourself with some slur? Are you all right, do you need the help? Or just missing your sarge major that kept you in shape of being a Human? Have F-22 solved its problem of guiding FOX-3 in conditions of more-than-braindead adversary? Where GPS is jammed. Or I need to lecture you about guidance principles of FOX-3 type missiles, samyj umnyj Amêrikanêc šturmuûŝij eti kommêntarii?
@@kitbag9033 he got his knowledge precisely from there. He launches his AIM-120 from a submarine and it chases a Su-57 9999 km away. Trust me, it works this and only this way.
@@notificationguys5128 To an extent. Gaijin in the past has used some incomplete guides regarding vehicles that are newer, because people have proven with more accurate information about something, making us think that Gaijin hasn't done the homework correctly.
Makes me wonder if perhaps the poster on Quora was thinking about some computer game where perhaps there's a Su-57 that's no more than a reskin of the Su-35 model in the game? And b/c of that got things more confused? I don't mean WarThunder modelling of these airplanes -- could be any flightsim that players can mod with their own versions of airplanes.
Imagine thinking that the Su-57 with its stealth design, all of its control surfaces, extra radars and sensors, different engines, composite body, internal weapons bay, fully swiveling vertical tail planes and DIRCM is a Su-35 with a skin. How much cope cola does that Quora guy drink?
The problem with quora is that the answer at the top is the one that's most agreed with, not necessarily the correct answer. So all it takes is one moron and a bunch of people to read what he wrote and say "that sounds about right" for something to become the default answer regardless of its accuracy. No one should *ever* use Quora as a source of information for that very reason.
Integrity means telling the whole truth. Su-57 wngineers all state, that the basis for the su-57 wing is the Flanker, They view the Flankers wing as the best performing in the world. What changed it then. Reconfiguring the wing to incorporate low observable planform as well. It is built to perform like a Flanker, while making a poor attempt at stealth.
@@hillbillysceptic1982 So two huge-ass ammo compartments and two of the smaller size is just our collective hallucination. Ok. Please, forbid yourself from judging others using your behaviour as the example.
@@RADICALFLOAT_95 he should Amusing, even if I disagree with him on most things! The COPEIUM is strong in him, but he has a good sense of humor and should be consumed as comedy not information or expect opinions since he's not a expect on anything, it's quite incredible how misguided people are. And that is the thing that is funny to me, even if its actually pretty scary if you think about it but it's clear the world is going to hell.
@LeonAust the vertical take-off/landing of F-35B is literally a rip-off from yak-140. Which makes sense, as Lokheed Martin bought the technology after the fall ot the Soviet Union. There are videos galore here on YT explaining how Yakovlev's tech was a vast improvement over Harrier's, so LM preferred to buy the specs and the prototype rather than do it from scratch
@@LeonAust ...ну с таким подходом мы точно на поле боя Россию не победим ))))) , а можно назвать ещё какой нибудь образец дошедший до серии с подобной схемой ? я не буду вспоминать про документацию переданную пендосам....
@@robrob9050 depends if one believes Wiki, you are correct. I believe that the Meteor was actually in use operational first. Rushed in because of the V1 bombs hitting London.
Thank you for making this video. As a Quora writer who supports the SU-57 it nice to see that i am not only one frustrated with spreading of false claims that make it to mainstream blogs. It great to have someone as smart and knowledgeable as you to dispell these silly western narratives. Once again I thank you for being best aviation channel on RUclips.
This is also an old fake claim. People will claim that Russians lie about specs but when you ask them, what did they lie about on MiG-29 or SU-30, SU-35, SU-27? They have no answer. In fact American pilots who have flown Russian fighters praise their abilities. So the question is why should we believe Western bloggers who 99% of the time have never seen the planes in person and have never spoken to anyone who flies them?
@@chadbernard2641 You can sell this bulshit to someone else not me. The fact is the russian military equipment is GREATLY overestimated. What exactly did someone ask Russian regarding these planes?? WHAT?? Tell me. And ROFL regarding American pilots... they praise maneuverability a LONG TIME AGO and nothing else which has very limited use in modern fights.
@@imepriimek398 you can't sell truth to someone who is comfortable with lies, so what's the point. Not just US pilots, British pilots who actually handle Su-27 and its derivatives praises the aircraft, people like Dave Best and Rogers Smith, but what do they know right? They're just highly experienced military pilots.
Thank you for teaching us the aerodynamic and structural differences in Russian stealth and non-stealth high performance aircraft! You are such a great teacher and I've watched enough of your videos to understand every point and technical statement in this video! Thank you, my teacher! "Oh Captain, my Captain!" 🎉❤
I realy like these rants. When someone denigrate the hard work that was put in a plane it is perfectly fine to be indignated about it, like you did with th Iran project. Hard and successfull work deserves recognition for what it is. This is what separate a great expose from techno-blabering. Great work and thank you.
Very expertly explained. At least one god thing came out of that silly article - you made a video for people who are here to learn. Su-57 is a masterpiece of engineering and innovation.
@@JoeKundlakbecause Russia freaking boke, but you should still give them credit. They are literally competing with the countries with immense wealth like the US and China, the fact that they have anything in that weight bracket is a testament to the expertise and resourcefulness’s of their aerospace industry.
Another expert analysis, thank you Prof Millennium. It is very helpful to get your thoughts and opinions on the Non-Western Aircraft as it is helpful, realistic, respectful and accurate, unlike a majority of the statements that are found on the web. The folks I have spoken too in the F-22/35 communities are thankfully not dismissive of the Su-57 and various Flanker variants. There are fanboys from East and West and thankfully many people who are curious or as in your case, well informed. Thank you again for your work!
I read the article. It's the same old myths about Russian technology, pure misinformation, and of course the author goes out of his way to hype up the F-35 as the best thing in the world. To say he is biased would be a massive understatement.
@@QuicksilverVM Because the war didn't show that Russian'Soviet technology is impressive on it's own right. Because the "interactions" near Alaska didn't show that US planes and their "360 degree radar" are damn near useless when detecting enemy planes. Because the F-35, despite being impressive as a package, wasn't designed to be an endless money pit with one of the worst spare parts supply chains in military history.
@Muscovy7 I think these are the missiles you meant to reference: "It is worth noting that the NPO Lyulka-Saturn AL-41F1 and AL-41F1S engines, which were developed from the AL-41F, simply did not fit into the Su-57 airframe. These smaller engines had had less thrust with 88.3 kN dry thrust, 142.2 kN in afterburner, and 147.1 kN in emergency power rating. The AL-51F-1 has 107.9 kN dry thrust and 167 kN in afterburner. It is a two-shaft, low-bypass, after-burning turbofan engine. Unlike its AL-41F1 predecessor, the engine has glass-fiber plastic IGVs and convergent-divergent nozzles that use serrated flaps to reduce its signature. It also has a 19 percent higher thrust-to-weight ratio, 6.4 percent better specific thrust, and 9 percent lower specific fuel consumption. The Russians have stated that the new engines allowed the plane to reach a maximum speed of 2,600 km/h and 2,100 km/h without using an afterburner. Russia has also developed a variety of specific armaments that can be carried in internal weapon bays. The aircraft can carry four beyond-visual-range (BVR) missiles (R-37M) in its two main weapons bays and two short-range missiles (upgraded R-74) in the side bays." - The Eurasian Times
Great video, but there are few errors I would like to point out if you don’t mind?! First, the Su-57 does have LERX, and it is cranked LERX with frontal movable part we call LEVCON, and the fixed aft part that produces vortices. But many people don’t realize that at higher AoA LEVCON’s generate vortices which are merged with the vortices made by the aft/fixed part of the Su-57 LERX. I have made a video called “PAK-FA vortex”, and there in the slow motion you can see the formation of the vortices at the leading edge of the LEVCON, and you can also see how they disappear, and transition to the fixed part of the LERX as the AoA is decreasing. LEVCON’s have many roles, since they can act as canards, LE flaps, and they can be used for directional control at high AoA. At the take off, when the pilot is puling the stick, LEVCON’s are having positive/upward deflection. In doing so they are creating additional lift in front of the center of gravity inducing the pitching up moment. At the same time, all moving vertical tails are also deflecting in opposite direction in relation to each other to put the extra pressure on the back of the plane along with the horizontal tail creating significant pushing force. In combination with LEVCON's, this creates strong moment arm around center of gravity for much sooner rotation of the plane during take off. As the plane is increasing the angle of attack, the lift force is building up, and the LEVCON’s are going from upward to neutral position and all moving horizontal and vertical tails are going to positive and neutral position creating more lift. Further lift build up creates additional pitch up moment and the LEVCON’s are going from neutral to negative deflection to arrest that unwanted motion. Since the whole body of the Su-57 is made from different sets of airfoils, negative deflection of the LEVCON’s is creating increased curvature of the airfoil further increasing the lift coefficient. We can also see that the LEVCON’s are having just a few degrees of positive deflection and that is correlated with highly relaxed longitudinal stability of the plane. Modern fighters usually fix their longitudinal instability at 3% the average aerodynamic chord length. With further relaxing of the longitudinal stability Su-57 enjoys a significant improvement in lift-to-drag ratio. Relaxing the longitudinal instability is not only increasing take-off and landing characteristics, and maximizing low-speed lift characteristics, but could also enhance trans-sonic lift to drag characteristics and improve super sonic lift to drag capabilities. Yet an increase in longitudinal instability will also increase the burden on high AOA pitch down controls which in pure tail configuration would be absolutely inadequate. The Russians have made excellent solution with a creation of LEVCON’s that can control pitch rate at post stall region without the help of the TVC, and can also provide directional controlability at extreme conditions. In my opinion, the main reason why the Russian designers have managed to drastically decrease the size of the vertical tails, lies in the fact that LEVCON’s can increase the stall limit, and can restore laminar airflow over the airframe at high AoA, thus negating the need for the huge vertical tails that need to be very high in order for the upper part to be positioned above the turbulent airflow that is usually associated with classical fixed LERX. As you stated, LEVCON’s can shift the aerodynamic center, or the center of lift, but that is not only useful because of the weapons storage, but also for the supersonic flight regime, where shock wave causes the center of lift to shift aft, causing the nose to pitch down, and at the same time disturbing stability/instability of the plane. This considerably reduces maneuverability of the plane and increases the drag because the plane needs to use aerodynamic surfaces to counter the pitch down motion and to trim the plane in level flight. For example, the F-35 needs to use the horizontal tails (negative deflection) to pitch the nose up. By doing so the plane is losing lift and at the same time increasing the drag. The plane such as J-20 has significant advantage compared to the F-35 because it can use positive canard deflection to pitch up. Since the canard is placed in front of center of gravity, it can use positive deflection, thus not reducing the overall lift, but at some point (depending on speed and height) induced drag/downwash from the canard will have negative impact on the main wing, so positive canard deflection is reduced to certain level and the plane needs to use other control surface for trimming, such as flaperons that reduce the lift and increase the drag. Su-57 on the other hand can use positive deflection of the LEVCON’s which provides superior lift to drag ratio without negative effects of the canards (induced drag/downwash). Positive deflection here doesn’t necessarily mean that the LEVCON is deflected above the center line, but positive in relation to the incoming air flow. That means that the plane can fly supersonic with LEVCON’s in the fixed position relative to the center line, which is enough to restore the center of the lift to the wanted position that is the most beneficial for the lift to drag ratio. Hope you don’t mind me pointing out these things?!
@@johnathanclayton2887I’m not sure if you are asking me if I work on the Su-57, or something else? In any case, I definitely don’t work on the Su-57 😄 but with careful analysis of the planes flight characteristics and behavior at high AoA, and in combination with little bit of knowledge in the aerodynamic domain, you can make pretty accurate assessments.
Correct. I am considering removing both accounts. People on both sites are super left leaning and any opinion that is not popular means you will be banned or attacked hard with frequently personal attacks.
@@tomk3732 There are plenty of center and right leaning groups on Quora and Reddit. It’s fine if you want to leave both platforms but I don’t think it is correct to argue that these platforms are left leaning.
@@tomk3732 People can lean to the left and still know the Su-57 is not the Su-35. They both have 2 engines, are extremely manoeuvrable and can fire some of the same weapons. The similarities pretty much stop there. Almost everything else is different. I can support Ukraine, detest Putin and still know the Su-57 is amazing, all in the same breath without even touching Quora or Reddit. Ad hominem is a weak weapon employed by the unintelligent on any side of all issues.
@@_cyantist Its ideology and state of mind that are similar. Incels exclude others and other views. The idea of such behavior is all over the place on Quora and reddit. For example, incel boards exclude women in same way as a lot of subredits exclude anything that even hints at pro Russian point of view (!) As for left / right stuff - leaf leaning individuals are far less open to discussion than right leaning - at least statistically in my personal experience. For example, a left leaning group will almost certainly ban you if you say climate change is not real - while right leaning group is unlikely to ban you if you say climate change is ruining the planet.
Shouldn't that be misinformation full stop. Much of it is born out of ignorance, but there is a sizable politically motivated element from every political viewpoint.
@@FinsburyPhilWell, those "world" organizations are pushing their agenda about the truthful internet, so we will see less and less truth unfortunately.
yesterday su-57 was doing aerobatics above my home. It was very powerfull and loud, i heard how it turned its engines on and off mid flight. I will remember this for my whole life. When it started roaring above my house and i went outside i just couldnt move my eyes from it, it felt surreal how it was doing cobras above me. From what i heard it was also THE FIRST flying su-57 model, and it was doing all this fancy things to boost qualification of the pilot. also it didn't sound like a kettle lol
@@drawingdead9025 maybe i am wrong that it fully stopped it engines, but it was truly stopping in the air a lot, not an illusion, just staying in one place for a few secs without moving forward
SU 35 is 4th ++ generation, and what Russians do now they are upgrading it with some good stuff from SU 57. Its amazing how dumb asses who dont know shit about aviation encourage here to say something stupid. Did you know that americans do same upgrades to old F 15? Same F 15 which is 4th generation.
With all the differences in frame, it'd be so much harder to build a Su-57 out of the Su-27/35 than just going for a clean sheet. Not to mention the fact that in aerospace changing the airframe usually needs rethinking the whole math. A lot of "updates" to modern aircraft which feature different aerofoil are in fact only the same for PR purposes and in reality they barely share any parts with the predecessor.
I cannot speak about the average viewer of this channel, but I would find a back to basics video series interesting. There are a lot of misconceptions even in the aviation enthusiast community. For example relaxed stability and fly-by-wire being used as synonyms.
mechanical components of SU-57 are COMPLEETLY UNIQUE ......they are made with help of artificial intelligence with the aim to have SAME STRUCTURAL RESISTENCE ( as traditionaly milled pieces ) but also to be LOWER WEIGHT. ..and they are not milled ..but rather 3D PRINTED...... the end result is : SU-57 is 2 tons lighter than F-22.....DESPITE THE FACT THAT IT CARRYES WAY MORE HEAVY avionics equitment than F-22 ( 4 AESA antenas, IRST optical locator, DIRCM...ETC ) ....IVE SEEN THAT FEW YEARS AGO in some docmentary about SU-57...and it was MIND BLOWING.
Well sadly, for millions of Americans if its not American it has to be junk by default. This is much worse however as it is Putin's aircraft so it will have a Hitler moustache, chips from old washing machines and be armed with spades. Putin will also be the pilot as he seems to be the only resident of Russia and a one man army. Marvel should sign him. Lets hope some of them watch this video, a great show, thank you!
You should see some of the trashy bullshite in the comment section over at Eurasia Naval Insight when they highlight a PLAN ship such as the new Chinese Fujian carrier. It's unbelievable at times.
As a 39-year-old resident of Russia, I can say that during this period you would certainly get used to the fact that voices from the West usually and constantly asking you to apologize for something and feel ashamed about it.
Well, there's plenty your country has to apologize for. It's the nazi Germany if it didn't lose. Built on centuries of conquest and genocide. It is not alone at that, but it is what it is.
There appears to be an argument that aerodynamics no longer matter, at least for our adversaries. They are saying the SU57 is antique because it’s not as LO as the F22 and they don’t consider its range, speed or super maneuverability. The aargument says that only LO matters because you cannot outrun a missile and this is false. Even playing DCS showed me that this is false missiles can be outrun! Maneuverability also allows for you to take a shot first!
There was a record of conversation between Su-34 pilots and air traffic control (or A-50 AWACS crew) where the air traffic control helped them avoid Patriot missiles. The fact that a completely non-stealth Su-34 evaded 3 patriot missiles by maneuvering and running away is proof enough stealth is not be-all and end-all.
LO value is relative. Paint a cargo plane black and it's invisible in the 1920's. American aircraft's primary detectors are surface based, meaning that they have to be LO enough to mitigate powerful surface based radars. Russian aircraft's primary detectors are western aircraft which have exponentially less powerful radars than surface based air defense systems. They don't need to be as LO because their primary threat has less capable radars.
Think it was Bob Hoover (among others..) who said if it looks good, it should fly good. Personal opinion, the Su-57 is the most beautiful aircraft ever built. It is a certainly is a highly capable aircraft with ridiculous maneuverability as well.
lol if su-57 is reskinned su-35 then f35 is reskinned yak-141 hence f35 is either not stealth aircraft or yak-141 was stealth aircraft and this also proves soviet made a stealth fighter plane 10 years before west 🥴 Edited: Bet yak-141 & f35 has more in common than su-57 & su-35🤪
They also argue F35 is not a copy of Yak-141 because the US has bought the plane from the Russians. And then they do mental gymnastics about how reverse engineering is not copying. 😂
@@MGZetta we did neither reverse engineer nor copy, people forget that Lockheed bought information from Yakovlev. Neither company were contracted to develop the engine or lift system
@@MGZetta What reverse engineering? There is nothing on the Yak present in the F-35. The F-35 has 100% access to the engine's thrust. The Yak was never in production. It was more of a side project than anything else
I cannot but humbly admire you for the knowledge and for the ability to explain such complicated things in a very acceptable and indeed interesting way.
Su57 is just a Su35, just like a F22 is just a F15, and a F35 is just a F16, and the J20 is just a J10. j/k aircraft are usually evolutionary, because people don't like to take risk on a mutli billion dollar project. but to say they are the same aircraft is like saying Saturn V is the same rocket as the V2 since it evolve from it.
Gracias como siempre por tu interesante contenido. Entiendo que el artículo de Quora, posiblemente escrito por una inteligencia artificial aleatorea, ha sido una buena excusa para hablar de aerodínamica y construcción aeronáutica.
Prejudice? Russian authorities lie and boast so often it's not even funny. A nice example is their army's performance in Ukraine and the 3-day operation.
It's actually incredibly dangerous because it creates an echochamber. Eventually the nonsense reaches the people who make decisions and they start to make really bad decisions. This happened to Russia and it's *why* there's a war in Ukraine.
On the contrary. I met a NASA engineer in the display of the Saturn Rocket. He spoke at length about the Apollo-Soyuz collaboration; he had the utmost respect for the practical solutions of his russian counterparts. Boeing engineers (Everett plant) often spoke highly of Russian airplane designs. Many americans admire and have respect for russians, particularly, their creative people (engineers, scientists, philosophers, writers, athletes and artists). The sentiment caught me by surprise. The rejection is to their politicians, who also screw the russian people. Russia should, by all accounts, be a prosperous country, but corruption and bad administration has left it an impoverish wasteland. The ultimate example of how little the Kremlin cares for it's citizens, is that now they are throwing "meatwaves", generations of russians against generations of ukranians, eliminating them both from existence to apease the imperialistic aspirations of the big little tyrant. Disclaimer: I am neither from Russian nor the Anfglosphere, but have lived on both places. I honestly believe that the rest of the world wants Russia to come back to the table and see its economy succeed. And for its people to do better and achieve full potential.
I would have thought the strongest argument against the re-skinning theory is that if the SU-57 were a reskinned SU-35 then they would have been able to make more SU-57s so far than they actually have because they could re-use the SU-35 production lines. I know this channel is a fan of the SU-57, but really it would struggle to be on a par with the F-22 that is now at the end of it's career in the US, and is being built in such small numbers that no matter how good it is it won't make a difference - just look at it's (lack of) impact in the Ukraine war.
Hi to M7 ! What can I write? Again congrats for the great analysis. One very important detail that respected M7 forgot to mention as he noticed details about wings as most important aerodynamic surfaces. Su-57's wings have 30% more area then wings of Su-35S ,82sqm vs 62sqm ! More wing area means more lift. Also as he mentioned the centroplane of the Su-57 is much bigger . Thanks to much better aerodynamic layout,much better aerodynamic technical solutions,Su-57 has much lower aerodynamic drag,much bigger aerodynamic lift. So the coefficients of these two aerodynamic parameters are on the Su-57's side.That's not all, Su-57 can whitstand much bigger aerodynamic pressure ( as the relation of the G-force and the given in-flight weight ) in comparison with Su-35S. In fact, Su-57 is 10G-fighter, Su-35S is 9G-fighter. If we question ourself why all of those aerodynamic control surfaces ( LEVCONs, wings and vert./hor. stabilisers) are positioned as they are ,answer will be simple. To reduce aerodynamic drag and to reduce frontal and lateral RCS. Su-57 has much bigger vertical speed ( especially initial rate of climb), much better thrust to weight ratio in any given flight regime and of course that SEP. E.g. all-movable vert stabilisers of Su-57 are much smaller but the effective area of that aerodynamic control surface is much bigger in comparison with rudders on vert stabilisers of Su-35S. Pls take a look on the air intake ramps. Su-57 has horizontally positioned air intake ramps and in the same time they are more integrated besides central fuselage section. Su-35S has classic vertically positioned air intakes ramps like all other FFF ( Flanker Family Fighters). Su-57 has nothing to do with Su-35S if we speak about aerodynamics.
In the meantime ,one friend of mine sent comments as answers to that silly article from Oct 7 with next title: ''USAF Avionics Technician explains why the Russian Su-57 would be a world beating, game changing aircraft in 1985'' ''The Sukhoi Su-57 (NATO reporting name: Felon) is a twin-engine stealth multirole fighter aircraft developed by Sukhoi. It is the product of the PAK FA (”prospective aeronautical complex of front-line air forces”) programme, which was initiated in 1999 as a more modern and affordable alternative to the Mikoyan Project 1.44/1.42. Sukhoi’s internal designation for the aircraft is T-50. The Su-57 is the first aircraft in Russian military service designed with stealth technology and is intended to be the basis for a family of stealth combat aircraft.'' Т-50 or Su-57 is completely new digitally projected 5th gen stealth fighter which has nothing to do with former Soviet technological demonstrator for 5th gen fighter called MFI 1.44. ''A multirole fighter capable of aerial combat as well as ground and maritime strike, the Su-57 incorporates stealth, supermaneuverability, supercruise, integrated avionics, and substantial internal payload capacity. The aircraft is expected to succeed the MiG-29 and Su-27 in the Russian military service and has also been marketed for export. The first prototype aircraft flew in 2010, but the program would experience a protracted development due to various structural and technical issues that emerged during trials, including the destruction of the first production aircraft in a crash before its delivery. After repeated delays, the first Su-57 entered service with the Russian Aerospace Forces (VKS) in December 2020. The fighter is expected to have a service life of up to 35 years.'' Even one MiG-29 or Su-27 can have a total service life of 40-45 years. Su-57 with its main construction materials like composites and new special Aluminium-Lithium Alloy type 1441 can have service life up to 50 years. ''How does the Sukhoi Su-57 compare to the US’ F-22 and F-35? ', explains on Quora;‘I think it’s safe to say that the Su-57 Felon is a world beating, game changing aircraft that is the most dominating fighter plane in the sky at the present time.‘Assuming the present time is 1985.‘Because in 2024? Not so much.'' 1985 ? What a nonsense ! ''Russian Su-57 Vs US’ F-22 and F-35 ‘First, Comrade Stalin himself said that quantity had a quality all its own. And in this regard, the quality of the Felon just does not measure up. Since the question specifically asks to compare the jet to the F-22 and the F-35, the numbers just aren’t even in the same ballpark. ‘The Felon was supposed to have 150 aircraft built by 2025. So far, they’ve only produced 20. Meanwhile, Lockheed delivered the last of the 180 production F-22’s, twelve years ago.'' What does Stalin have to do with Su-57 anyway ? About quantity ,they have 10 flyable prototypes and 24 serial/operational fighters so far. 150? There was no plan or any state contract for 150 fighters but for 76 in total with plan for serail production from 2020 until the end of 2027. Everything is going to plan. ‘'From an avionics standpoint, The Su-57 isn’t terrible. But it lacks the sensor fusion of the F-35, which inarguably is the best in the world. Even the F-22 doesn’t compare, and is being retro-fitted to make it more compatible and capable.'' F-35 or any other 5th gen stealth fighter do not have that level of sensor fusion like Su-57 does .With its 8 AESA radars ( yes ,eight, where four of them work in centimetric X band and another four work in decimetric L band) as part of N036 Byelka radar system together with AESA jamm stations of L402 Khibiny ECM system ( both systems as part of unique Sh121 MIRES ) plus 9/nine optical-electronic modules of self-defence complex ''101KS Atoll''.Su-57 is a real flying radar-jamm complex with capability for all around (360 degrees) radar azimuthal coverage.Su-57 is in fact the first fighter in the world with very long range decimetric L band search radars,first fighter in the world with real combat lasers as part of 101KS-O self defence suit/modules. ''The issue really is money, not engineers. The west has a lot of it and Russia does not. Despite their size, Russia’s economy is about the size of Spain. They can’t afford to invent the best stuff, but the west can. So everyone wants to buy the F-35 and no one wants to buy the Su-57, which only makes the lack of money issue worse.'' Russia's economy is about the size of Spain ? Woooow .... Another nonsense. One F-35 as a single engine fighter has a flyaway cost ( sell price as clean aircraft ) of about 300 mil $. In comparison ,the heavy twin engine Su-57 will have a sell price about 100 mil $. ''Largely a re-skinned Su-35 ‘The US has 17 countries currently approved to buy the F-35 and at least six more that want it. Russia had one partner on the Felon, India, who dropped out when the plane would not meet production targets.‘There are deeper issues as well. The F-22 and F-35 were designed from the ground up with state-of-the-art computers and modeling to be top of the line stealth fighters.‘The Su-57 was largely a re-skinned Su-35, which itself is an upgraded and modernized Su-27, first flown in the 1977. The reason this is important is that there is only so much you can do to reduce Radar Cross Section when your major structural components were designed in the 1970’s, before stealth was a design consideration. It’s the same issue with the F-15 Silent Eagle, a “stealtherized” version of the F-15. You can adapt the airframe to have stealthier components, but it will never have an RCS as small as an F-22 or F-35.’' India was a partner in the FGFA program ,not in PAK-FA ! Su-57 has nothing to do with Su-35.In fact ,frontal RCS in centimetric X band in angle aspect +/-15 degrees for all 5th gen stealth fighters is in level 0.1-0.5 sqm. Reason is simple: all stealth fighters are in fact LO ( Low Observable) ,not VLO ( Very Low Observable) aircraft. ''Leimbach concludes; ‘In short, the F-22 and F-35 have frames designed for stealth, and the Su-57 has stealth adapted to a pre-existing 1970’s frame. Better than any 4th gen fighter to be sure, but it’s never going to be as good as a 5th gen that’s purpose built. ‘A perfect example of this is the rear aspect of the Felon. Half the engine is left exposed. There is no attempt at reducing radar or IR signatures at all. Compare this to the F-22:‘Or another purpose built stealth plane, the F-117.‘It’s just not even apples to oranges, it’s apples to bowling balls.’' In fact ,Su-57 is from the start of the project PAK-FA designed as a stealth fighter with characteristical aerodynamics technical solutions .About engines,yes ,they are widely spaced but new so called second stage engines AL-51F ( Product 30) has new composite IGV besides radar blockers inside air intakes ,has serrated petals on their nozzles ,all of that for reducing RCS from the front and rear hemisphere. Also has third only cold stream for cooling engines and nozzles in all working modes thus reducing IR signature from both hemispheres.
@@aviator77migsukhoi34 Firstly the F-35 per unit cost is about 70 Million USD for the cheapest variant while the Su-57 comes in at about 51 Million USD. Secondly, the Su-57 had many potential customers such as Egypt, Algeria, Iran, Malaysia and a few others but had to pull out due to CAATSA sanction imposed by the US Thirdly, Russian engineers did not focus on the stealth aspect for the back of the aircraft to give an edge on aerodynamic agility. Though it is mostly covered with RAM regardless. Russia has an economy the size of Spain because its being sanctioned to the teeth. If any similar sized economy gets sanctioned you'll watch it go down.
@@sujitbala1492 Hm, hm. That's not right. Firstly ,average Fly-away cost per unit of F-35 for FY 2025 is about 90 mil $ , while Russian company KnAAZ produces one Su-57 for only 30 mil $. Citation : “We remain in negotiations with the U.S. government on the Lot 18-19 production contracts. Without additional contractual direction from the U.S. government, we will exceed the current contractual authorization and funding on the Lot 18-19 advance acquisition contract during the third quarter of 2024,” the filing said. Ulmer couldn’t forecast when the deal will close, but said they’re aiming between now and the end of the year. The deal struck for the last contract-for lots 15 through 17-had put the average flyaway cost of the Air Force’s F-35A variant at $82.5 million. The F-35B vertical take-off and landing variant came in at $109 million, and the carrier-based F-35C at $102.1 million. These numbers were slightly higher than in the preceding lots, but still lower in real terms.'' Secondly ,if we talk about export ,first customer of Su-57E wiil be soon IAF ,then Algeria and Vietnam ( there will be no CAATSA) . The price for one export Su-57E as clean will be about 120 mil$ ,F-35 has export price as min as 300 mil $. Thirdly, Su-57 is stealth fighter in the same class as US fighers F-22A and F-35 . All three of them are LO ( Low Observable) aircraft not VLO ,so they have frontal RCS in centimetric bands about 0.3 sqm. With all composite skin,radar-blockers inside air intakes,ITO made canopy etc ,Su-57 is really stealth as other fighters( US and Chinese) . From the rear hemisphere with AL-41F1 engines ,RCS is much bigger , yes, that's right but that will change when AL-51F with serated petals comes next year. RF has most growing economy in the World in the past 2 years.Sanctions ?Aha and one Poland is buying Aluminum from Russia,gas is still going through Ukraine to the EU countries,USA is buying Uranium ,Titanium etc.
To address you addendum: A video series that breaks down how aircraft work for noobs would be a great source of information which could kick-start designers who are interested in making RC planes/drones, as well as designers who would develop entirely fictional aircraft for games/film/books. There is a distinct gap in the online knowledge pool between opinion pieces, and the super in-depth engineer-level function exploration, which I would welcome you to tackle. Keep up the great work. You are appreciated.
There will always be people who are biased towards western technology (as of beeing superior). But underestimating your opponent and his technology is fatal in modern war. The Ukrainian war shows how overrated western technology is. Beeing on the other hand to at least more than 2-3 times more expensive that the eastern ones (Russian, Chinese, Iranian,...), it clearly show that most underrated feature in weapons is ratio: cost efficiency. Su57 is as good as it need to be to be produced in greater numbers if needed and for what the Russians need them according to their doctrine and economic justification. P.S:: very good video, showing that you can fight against biased people only with facts !
@@JoeKundlak Never underestimate the Russians. Hitler and Napoleon made that mistake. P.S:: Su57 is not as important for the Russians as are F22 and F35 for the USA. USA's doctrine is offensive, Russia's doctrine is defensive - they rely more on ground to air defense - it's cheaper for them.
I see the differences, but I also see the similarities. Ever since it was first revealed as the Pak-50, I thought the Su-57 looked like a stealthified Su-35 with some upgraded systems. I've watched, listened to, and read content for more than a decade now, and none of it has provided compelling evidence that the Su-57 is anything else. That doesn't mean that it isn't a so-called 5th generation aircraft or at least closely approaching such a designation. It also doesn't mean that there hasn't been innovation associated with its stealthified design or the various requisite systems that we might expect to see on that type of aircraft. Indeed, they are not the same aircraft, but they are also not entirely unique aircraft designed separately from the ground up. The Su-57 has always appeared to be a Su-35 with a stealth body plan overlayed on top of it. Pointing out the specific differences involved in such an overlay that make it different from the shape of the non-stealth Su-35 doesn't do anything to demonstrate that it is an entirely different aircraft. All it means is that stealth necessitates differences between a traditionally layed out 4th generation aircraft. When you look at an F-22, it doesn't look like a stealthified F-15, but the Su-57 does look like a stealthified Su-35. The question for me is, why would this kind of observation upset anyone? It doesn't take anything away from the aircraft. It may say something about the designers or the amount of money available to Russian aircraft companies, but it really shouldn't be seen as detracting much from the aircraft itself. So this particular video leaves me mystified, and I doubt its going to change too many minds. Most of this is just based upon the appearance, and that's not going to change.
That guy is correct on some occasions but he denigrates anything that is Russian. He is an Indian guy who is in love with western tech. I got so tired of him and his followers I left quora
@billwill7383 The fact that you still dont get that Mike Miley came up with this is baffling. You have the same mentality as the flat earthers. It's a mental disease .
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Making an article based off a Quora post is one of the decisions of all time
Quora is the best answer to any question 😡
Average Osprey military book.
To be honest, there are a lot of really smart people on Quora and with very detailed answers.
@@m.a3914 Nah.
I think you forgot a word there. Or is this some new American hell like "could care less" meaning "couldn't care less" 😰😂
If you really think hard about it, F22 is just a reskinned and upgraded P-51 Mustang.
It is f15
lol no kidding
Apart from that F22 and P51 mustang don´t use the same engine, while Su35 and SU57 do, at least at this date.
@@matsv201ok dude lol
You are lucky the F22 is not his favourite bird or we would be getting another "Corrective Video" 😅🤣😂
The Su-35 is an airplane. The Su-57 is an airplane. They are obviously the same thing.
In essence Su-57 is just an upgrade of Mozhayskiy's aeroplane 😂
they both have two engines. boom! case closed 😂
Mom: We have airplane at home.
What both are airplanes😮😄
Conclusion: Su-57 is Po-2 with 2 engines
The original article may have been obvious nonsense, but I’m glad you took the time to do this, I learned a lot.
Another possibility is that the guy from quora used the conjecture from landbased warmachine such as tank and its derivatives. Multiple russian tank types used the same platform but different turrets & electronics
@@mark-ut3pm No, I (the author of the OP) did not use conjecture. I used quotes from the Sukhoi engineers themselves who stated the Su-57 was based on the Su-35. This video cherry picked a single statement out a lengthy post and completely mischaracterized it. Either way, his counter argument is rubbish.
I claimed the planes were based on a similar internal airframe, and stated that they only differ in significance on the outside, he cannot dismiss my statement by saying "they aren't the same, look how different they are on the outside!"
His rebuttal is nonsense and reaffirms my original statement.
If you really think about it, the F22 is the reskinned version of the Wright brother's plane.
Pretty sure the Wright Flyer had a much more reasonable operating cost per hour and logistics chain (complete repair/reassembly by two people with some spare driftwood after crash was possible).
@@thefreeaccount0 Indeed so we can conclude that Wright brothers' flying thing comprehensively beats the F-22
If you squint really, really hard, there is a resemblance.
@@lycossurfer8851 Don't even need to squint dude, just paint the flyer grey and tell me if you can differentiate at all
If you really think about it, both the Wright brother's plane and the F22 are just reskinned pigeons.
I got many lessons from you video:
1) it’s possible to employ a bad statement as an starting point, and then show how a superb analysis is performed.
2) The purpose of your video was not to show how smart you are, but with some insights, teach us that everybody can look for key issues and address a complex statement.
3) Your indignation surprised me, but on a second thought, it wasn’t unexpected.
4) Your storytelling has been captivating since the beginning, but it’s even better now.
Thank you for putting a lot of effort on this.
First time he gets the idiot award: Reskinned simply implies all the INTERALS are identical. Aerodynamics/turbine performance as defining feature of a fighter aircraft vanished around 1990 if not 1975 . Exterior changes do not matter in big picture. Beams and other Baloney he babbled on about: do not matter and have not mattered since Aircraft started using Titanium. In this context the statement reskinned are right. Why? We do not KNOW what the internals of the Su57 are or what their capabilities are. From what the Russkies have said they are no different to that of the Su35. So, from a point of ignorance, and what the Russkies have said one can always claim it is no different. Now Su35 is only 15 years old so... Has Russia magically gotten advanced avionics manufacturing up and going? Well? Heck NO! Russia does not have access manufacturing to modern avionics combat systems so, yes, Su57 is a reskinned Su35. Yippee skippy its skin as host went ranting on about(its aerodynamics are different) --> NO ONE with 2 brain cells CARES unless we are going to pretend modern missiles do not exist making these aircraft gun platforms... ggggrrrrrr.
@@w8stralGosh, you got all that knowledge from playing War Thunder?
@w8stral
Ok. If you gonna cry, send a voice message.
@@w8stral oh, really? And how your pha-vo-rite AIM-120 is going to cross even 40 kilometers, if it would be launched from 4 km of altitude? Remind me, what defines the possibility of aircraft to be the "first stage" of a missile?
Titanium is not some panacea, mr minecraft mods fan.
Internals are different because the two huge ass weapons compartments and the two of the smaller size. Is that not enough?
«Russkies»? Can't even add "jot" to the spelling, mister alfabetico latino suprimo?
Have your parents harm you during the upbringing? Do you refer to yourself with some slur? Are you all right, do you need the help? Or just missing your sarge major that kept you in shape of being a Human?
Have F-22 solved its problem of guiding FOX-3 in conditions of more-than-braindead adversary? Where GPS is jammed. Or I need to lecture you about guidance principles of FOX-3 type missiles, samyj umnyj Amêrikanêc šturmuûŝij eti kommêntarii?
@@kitbag9033 he got his knowledge precisely from there. He launches his AIM-120 from a submarine and it chases a Su-57 9999 km away. Trust me, it works this and only this way.
Bruh, War Thunder arguments are more article worthy than Quora.
Because war thunder uses actual military manuals 💀💀💀
@@notificationguys5128 To an extent. Gaijin in the past has used some incomplete guides regarding vehicles that are newer, because people have proven with more accurate information about something, making us think that Gaijin hasn't done the homework correctly.
Makes me wonder if perhaps the poster on Quora was thinking about some computer game where perhaps there's a Su-57 that's no more than a reskin of the Su-35 model in the game? And b/c of that got things more confused?
I don't mean WarThunder modelling of these airplanes -- could be any flightsim that players can mod with their own versions of airplanes.
Higher arrest rate for espinage too, that make up for some trustworthines aswell ;)
At least War Thunder people undertand they are discussing a video game.
The pasion of our guy is unmatched.
One Aero Engineer to another - spot on analysis. To the Quora guy - pound sand.
Almost aything on Quora related to Russia is complete nonsense composed in Kiev, Langley, or London
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Imagine thinking that the Su-57 with its stealth design, all of its control surfaces, extra radars and sensors, different engines, composite body, internal weapons bay, fully swiveling vertical tail planes and DIRCM is a Su-35 with a skin. How much cope cola does that Quora guy drink?
Was it Abhirup Sengupta?
Too much....
@@AB-yn2rzProbably do people like Chad Bernard and Semenjia123 have already thoroughly debunked him to the point of being blocked!
The problem with quora is that the answer at the top is the one that's most agreed with, not necessarily the correct answer. So all it takes is one moron and a bunch of people to read what he wrote and say "that sounds about right" for something to become the default answer regardless of its accuracy. No one should *ever* use Quora as a source of information for that very reason.
yes stealth design with exposed fan blades.
Integrity still means something.
Thank you.
Integrity means telling the whole truth. Su-57 wngineers all state, that the basis for the su-57 wing is the Flanker, They view the Flankers wing as the best performing in the world. What changed it then. Reconfiguring the wing to incorporate low observable planform as well. It is built to perform like a Flanker, while making a poor attempt at stealth.
@@hillbillysceptic1982 So two huge-ass ammo compartments and two of the smaller size is just our collective hallucination. Ok. Please, forbid yourself from judging others using your behaviour as the example.
"I thought people were better than this, but I was wrong."
LOL, the story of growing up.
Aircrafts have their own Lazerpigs.
I actually hate that guy with a passion.
@@RADICALFLOAT_95 Cool story.
@@RADICALFLOAT_95 The Su-57 is not what you think ahh channel
@@RADICALFLOAT_95 he should Amusing, even if I disagree with him on most things! The COPEIUM is strong in him, but he has a good sense of humor and should be consumed as comedy not information or expect opinions since he's not a expect on anything, it's quite incredible how misguided people are. And that is the thing that is funny to me, even if its actually pretty scary if you think about it but it's clear the world is going to hell.
@@LoserDestiny I'm Bulgarian we don't have any Armatas
Russia and the previous USSR designed very beautiful fighters.
"Only beautiful planes can fly well" - by aviation designer Andrey Nikolaevich Tupolev
Not only beautiful but very elegant and sexy figures !
I'm not surprised, normally those people dont know the difference between the aileron and the longeron. Otherwise they are just paid trolls.
Just like the f35 is a f16 with a super computer
давайте будем беспристрастными , f35 - это Як 141 с суперкомпьютером
@@алкаш918 přesně 🤣🍻
@@алкаш918The F-35 is Not based off of the Yak-141, this is a myth that needs to die it’s annoying
@LeonAust the vertical take-off/landing of F-35B is literally a rip-off from yak-140. Which makes sense, as Lokheed Martin bought the technology after the fall ot the Soviet Union. There are videos galore here on YT explaining how Yakovlev's tech was a vast improvement over Harrier's, so LM preferred to buy the specs and the prototype rather than do it from scratch
@@LeonAust ...ну с таким подходом мы точно на поле боя Россию не победим ))))) , а можно назвать ещё какой нибудь образец дошедший до серии с подобной схемой ? я не буду вспоминать про документацию переданную пендосам....
Well, if F-22 uses F-119 engines and F-35 uses F-135 engines…
We can say - F35 - is just F-22 with a skin 😂
If you think about it, all jets are Me262s
Yup grandfather
Gloster Meteor.
@@davewolfy2906 AFAK M262 was first fully operational fighter jet in history?
@@robrob9050 the Gloster Meteor was actually in service earlier.
@@robrob9050 depends if one believes Wiki, you are correct.
I believe that the Meteor was actually in use operational first.
Rushed in because of the V1 bombs hitting London.
Thank you for making this video. As a Quora writer who supports the SU-57 it nice to see that i am not only one frustrated with spreading of false claims that make it to mainstream blogs.
It great to have someone as smart and knowledgeable as you to dispell these silly western narratives.
Once again I thank you for being best aviation channel on RUclips.
Why do even believe official SU57 specification??
This is also an old fake claim. People will claim that Russians lie about specs but when you ask them, what did they lie about on MiG-29 or SU-30, SU-35, SU-27? They have no answer. In fact American pilots who have flown Russian fighters praise their abilities. So the question is why should we believe Western bloggers who 99% of the time have never seen the planes in person and have never spoken to anyone who flies them?
@@chadbernard2641 You can sell this bulshit to someone else not me. The fact is the russian military equipment is GREATLY overestimated. What exactly did someone ask Russian regarding these planes?? WHAT?? Tell me. And ROFL regarding American pilots... they praise maneuverability a LONG TIME AGO and nothing else which has very limited use in modern fights.
@@imepriimek398i found the Lazerpig :
@@imepriimek398 you can't sell truth to someone who is comfortable with lies, so what's the point. Not just US pilots, British pilots who actually handle Su-27 and its derivatives praises the aircraft, people like Dave Best and Rogers Smith, but what do they know right? They're just highly experienced military pilots.
Thank you for teaching us the aerodynamic and structural differences in Russian stealth and non-stealth high performance aircraft! You are such a great teacher and I've watched enough of your videos to understand every point and technical statement in this video! Thank you, my teacher! "Oh Captain, my Captain!" 🎉❤
*_THANKS, Native!_*
Thank you!
I realy like these rants.
When someone denigrate the hard work that was put in a plane it is perfectly fine to be indignated about it, like you did with th Iran project.
Hard and successfull work deserves recognition for what it is.
This is what separate a great expose from techno-blabering.
Great work and thank you.
Very expertly explained. At least one god thing came out of that silly article - you made a video for people who are here to learn.
Su-57 is a masterpiece of engineering and innovation.
Erm... That is why there are like 10 of them produced so far?
@@JoeKundlak theres only 20 something of them produced so far because the engine they plan to use is not ready yet. Why build many bad versions?
@@JoeKundlakbecause Russia freaking boke, but you should still give them credit. They are literally competing with the countries with immense wealth like the US and China, the fact that they have anything in that weight bracket is a testament to the expertise and resourcefulness’s of their aerospace industry.
True & Thru😂
@@JoeKundlakso what? 😮
More Su57 content please.. as the 1st one here I am begging you to do so 😭
This ^
he has to please ameritard viewers
@@riskinhoshe should put a link to lazy pigs channel for stuff like that..
@@boikanyoonneng9170 laser pig ist just about making jokes about russian equipement ,he is russophobic through and through
@@boikanyoonneng9170 lazerpig is russophobic nazi, no thank you. He praised Azov, the nazi batallion.
Another expert analysis, thank you Prof Millennium. It is very helpful to get your thoughts and opinions on the Non-Western Aircraft as it is helpful, realistic, respectful and accurate, unlike a majority of the statements that are found on the web. The folks I have spoken too in the F-22/35 communities are thankfully not dismissive of the Su-57 and various Flanker variants. There are fanboys from East and West and thankfully many people who are curious or as in your case, well informed. Thank you again for your work!
Thank you for your detailed analysis. Both the Su27, Su35 and Su57 are beautiful designs
No they are ugly.
don't forget the su-47
@@NationChosenByGod Beauty is in the eye of the beholder and I find most modern SU models be rather good looking.
@@NationChosenByGod speaking of "ugly", go outside to touch grass. It's beautiful, is it not?
I read the article. It's the same old myths about Russian technology, pure misinformation, and of course the author goes out of his way to hype up the F-35 as the best thing in the world. To say he is biased would be a massive understatement.
just because he says something you dont like ^^
@@QuicksilverVMor maybe it's the other way
@@QuicksilverVM Because the war didn't show that Russian'Soviet technology is impressive on it's own right.
Because the "interactions" near Alaska didn't show that US planes and their "360 degree radar" are damn near useless when detecting enemy planes.
Because the F-35, despite being impressive as a package, wasn't designed to be an endless money pit with one of the worst spare parts supply chains in military history.
@@ravenouself4181 Oh yes it showed, Russians destroyed EVERYTHING what west send to nazi ukraine. Even your "patriot" junk
@@QuicksilverVM No, becoause the F-35 is the worst plane in 40 years. As a platform may be usefull, as a plane is well, fat amy
Can you look into a comprehensive analysis of the new missiles Russia is currently working on such as the R-77M and R-37?
there are no info on the first (except few pics) and the second is already a done work, it's operational and shot many Ukr airframes.
@Muscovy7
I think these are the missiles you meant to reference:
"It is worth noting that the NPO Lyulka-Saturn AL-41F1 and AL-41F1S engines, which were developed from the AL-41F, simply did not fit into the Su-57 airframe. These smaller engines had had less thrust with 88.3 kN dry thrust, 142.2 kN in afterburner, and 147.1 kN in emergency power rating.
The AL-51F-1 has 107.9 kN dry thrust and 167 kN in afterburner. It is a two-shaft, low-bypass, after-burning turbofan engine. Unlike its AL-41F1 predecessor, the engine has glass-fiber plastic IGVs and convergent-divergent nozzles that use serrated flaps to reduce its signature. It also has a 19 percent higher thrust-to-weight ratio, 6.4 percent better specific thrust, and 9 percent lower specific fuel consumption.
The Russians have stated that the new engines allowed the plane to reach a maximum speed of 2,600 km/h and 2,100 km/h without using an afterburner.
Russia has also developed a variety of specific armaments that can be carried in internal weapon bays. The aircraft can carry four beyond-visual-range (BVR) missiles (R-37M) in its two main weapons bays and two short-range missiles (upgraded R-74) in the side bays."
- The Eurasian Times
“Different wing = Different Aircraft “ just HAS TO BE A T-SHIRT!!!!!! Merch that sucker!❤
Yes all 3 people that buy such an esoteric shirt will be proud to wear it (indoors only)
in a perfect world, this video would not exist, but this is not a perfect wooooorld
Absolutely. In a perfect world nobody hires the paid liars, and nobody pushes for the war.
Indeed. The fact Gus had to explain the obvious is in itself depressing.
Great video, but there are few errors I would like to point out if you don’t mind?!
First, the Su-57 does have LERX, and it is cranked LERX with frontal movable part we call LEVCON, and the fixed aft part that produces vortices.
But many people don’t realize that at higher AoA LEVCON’s generate vortices which are merged with the vortices made by the aft/fixed part of the Su-57 LERX.
I have made a video called “PAK-FA vortex”, and there in the slow motion you can see the formation of the vortices at the leading edge of the LEVCON, and you can also see how they disappear, and transition to the fixed part of the LERX as the AoA is decreasing.
LEVCON’s have many roles, since they can act as canards, LE flaps, and they can be used for directional control at high AoA.
At the take off, when the pilot is puling the stick, LEVCON’s are having positive/upward deflection. In doing so they are creating additional lift in front of the center of gravity inducing the pitching up moment. At the same time, all moving vertical tails are also deflecting in opposite direction in relation to each other to put the extra pressure on the back of the plane along with the horizontal tail creating significant pushing force. In combination with LEVCON's, this creates strong moment arm around center of gravity for much sooner rotation of the plane during take off.
As the plane is increasing the angle of attack, the lift force is building up, and the LEVCON’s are going from upward to neutral position and all moving horizontal and vertical tails are going to positive and neutral position creating more lift. Further lift build up creates additional pitch up moment and the LEVCON’s are going from neutral to negative deflection to arrest that unwanted motion. Since the whole body of the Su-57 is made from different sets of airfoils, negative deflection of the LEVCON’s is creating increased curvature of the airfoil further increasing the lift coefficient.
We can also see that the LEVCON’s are having just a few degrees of positive deflection and that is correlated with highly relaxed longitudinal stability of the plane. Modern fighters usually fix their longitudinal instability at 3% the average aerodynamic chord length. With further relaxing of the longitudinal stability Su-57 enjoys a significant improvement in lift-to-drag ratio. Relaxing the longitudinal instability is not only increasing take-off and landing characteristics, and maximizing low-speed lift characteristics, but could also enhance trans-sonic lift to drag characteristics and improve super sonic lift to drag capabilities. Yet an increase in longitudinal instability will also increase the burden on high AOA pitch down controls which in pure tail configuration would be absolutely inadequate. The Russians have made excellent solution with a creation of LEVCON’s that can control pitch rate at post stall region without the help of the TVC, and can also provide directional controlability at extreme conditions.
In my opinion, the main reason why the Russian designers have managed to drastically decrease the size of the vertical tails, lies in the fact that LEVCON’s can increase the stall limit, and can restore laminar airflow over the airframe at high AoA, thus negating the need for the huge vertical tails that need to be very high in order for the upper part to be positioned above the turbulent airflow that is usually associated with classical fixed LERX.
As you stated, LEVCON’s can shift the aerodynamic center, or the center of lift, but that is not only useful because of the weapons storage, but also for the supersonic flight regime, where shock wave causes the center of lift to shift aft, causing the nose to pitch down, and at the same time disturbing stability/instability of the plane. This considerably reduces maneuverability of the plane and increases the drag because the plane needs to use aerodynamic surfaces to counter the pitch down motion and to trim the plane in level flight. For example, the F-35 needs to use the horizontal tails (negative deflection) to pitch the nose up. By doing so the plane is losing lift and at the same time increasing the drag. The plane such as J-20 has significant advantage compared to the F-35 because it can use positive canard deflection to pitch up. Since the canard is placed in front of center of gravity, it can use positive deflection, thus not reducing the overall lift, but at some point (depending on speed and height) induced drag/downwash from the canard will have negative impact on the main wing, so positive canard deflection is reduced to certain level and the plane needs to use other control surface for trimming, such as flaperons that reduce the lift and increase the drag. Su-57 on the other hand can use positive deflection of the LEVCON’s which provides superior lift to drag ratio without negative effects of the canards (induced drag/downwash).
Positive deflection here doesn’t necessarily mean that the LEVCON is deflected above the center line, but positive in relation to the incoming air flow.
That means that the plane can fly supersonic with LEVCON’s in the fixed position relative to the center line, which is enough to restore the center of the lift to the wanted position that is the most beneficial for the lift to drag ratio.
Hope you don’t mind me pointing out these things?!
You work on it? Those sound like great insights.
@@johnathanclayton2887I’m not sure if you are asking me if I work on the Su-57, or something else?
In any case, I definitely don’t work on the Su-57 😄 but with careful analysis of the planes flight characteristics and behavior at high AoA, and in combination with little bit of knowledge in the aerodynamic domain, you can make pretty accurate assessments.
Both planes are pieces of art.....
For Russia's standards
@@m.a3914 but still better than any merican
@@m.a3914 Which is to say world top-tier standards. Thanks for contributing.
@@QuicksilverVMreally? So how come Russians haven’t achieved air supremacy ???😂😂😂😂
@@ArchangelUriel-jc4uq Where???? Ower ......
I’d happily bet that the article was written on a day when either the F-22 or F-35 was grounded. More likely as not, both.
Efficacy of the su 57 is yet to be discovered but for me it’s the most beautiful aircraft ever made
Appreciate your content! Basics would be good!
Quora is next level after Reddits incels
Correct. I am considering removing both accounts. People on both sites are super left leaning and any opinion that is not popular means you will be banned or attacked hard with frequently personal attacks.
@@tomk3732 There are plenty of center and right leaning groups on Quora and Reddit. It’s fine if you want to leave both platforms but I don’t think it is correct to argue that these platforms are left leaning.
@@tomk3732 "super left leaning" you cant be serious right???? incels are left wing now???
@@tomk3732 People can lean to the left and still know the Su-57 is not the Su-35. They both have 2 engines, are extremely manoeuvrable and can fire some of the same weapons. The similarities pretty much stop there. Almost everything else is different. I can support Ukraine, detest Putin and still know the Su-57 is amazing, all in the same breath without even touching Quora or Reddit. Ad hominem is a weak weapon employed by the unintelligent on any side of all issues.
@@_cyantist Its ideology and state of mind that are similar. Incels exclude others and other views. The idea of such behavior is all over the place on Quora and reddit. For example, incel boards exclude women in same way as a lot of subredits exclude anything that even hints at pro Russian point of view (!)
As for left / right stuff - leaf leaning individuals are far less open to discussion than right leaning - at least statistically in my personal experience. For example, a left leaning group will almost certainly ban you if you say climate change is not real - while right leaning group is unlikely to ban you if you say climate change is ruining the planet.
We live in age of Western misinformation. Which is why we need them debunked in videos like this. Thank you.
Western misinformation is not seldom the result of Eastern desinformation.
Shouldn't that be misinformation full stop. Much of it is born out of ignorance, but there is a sizable politically motivated element from every political viewpoint.
@@FinsburyPhilWell, those "world" organizations are pushing their agenda about the truthful internet, so we will see less and less truth unfortunately.
it's scary, you can't use any western search engine without being bombarded by western propaganda
We just live in the age of mass disinformation.
yesterday su-57 was doing aerobatics above my home. It was very powerfull and loud, i heard how it turned its engines on and off mid flight. I will remember this for my whole life. When it started roaring above my house and i went outside i just couldnt move my eyes from it, it felt surreal how it was doing cobras above me. From what i heard it was also THE FIRST flying su-57 model, and it was doing all this fancy things to boost qualification of the pilot. also it didn't sound like a kettle lol
No. You likely heard afterburners going off then back on, maybe just going to idle.
It’s must have been a really good site to see
@@drawingdead9025 maybe i am wrong that it fully stopped it engines, but it was truly stopping in the air a lot, not an illusion, just staying in one place for a few secs without moving forward
Sorry but if it was one of the first. it would sound like a kettle.... Only thhe newest from this year has new engines aka no whhisttelin sound
Sure thing bot
Conclusion: The Su57 is in the same way a re-skinned Su27 as a female dog is essentially a cat...
should have wrote "is essentially a dire wolf". Not the warship. Not the clan omnimech. Just the extinct apex predator.
According to media its just a 4th generation SU35 with a skin and a cheap copy of the 5th generation F22 at the same time!
correct! according to medias!
but according to some scientific proofs it is entirely new design and aircraft, which this video is clearly pointing.
SU 35 is 4th ++ generation, and what Russians do now they are upgrading it with some good stuff from SU 57. Its amazing how dumb asses who dont know shit about aviation encourage here to say something stupid. Did you know that americans do same upgrades to old F 15? Same F 15 which is 4th generation.
The Su57 is simultaneously both a "cheap f22 copy" and also "basically a ww2 plane". 😂
F22 is 4 gen
a back to basics on aircraft design and flight surfaces would actually be really appreciated. The rundown on lerx vs levcon was very helpful!
Don’t let them piss you off. 😊 Great article.
With all the differences in frame, it'd be so much harder to build a Su-57 out of the Su-27/35 than just going for a clean sheet. Not to mention the fact that in aerospace changing the airframe usually needs rethinking the whole math. A lot of "updates" to modern aircraft which feature different aerofoil are in fact only the same for PR purposes and in reality they barely share any parts with the predecessor.
the laws of physics makes it impossible.
I cannot speak about the average viewer of this channel, but I would find a back to basics video series interesting. There are a lot of misconceptions even in the aviation enthusiast community. For example relaxed stability and fly-by-wire being used as synonyms.
Good point
mechanical components of SU-57 are COMPLEETLY UNIQUE ......they are made with help of artificial intelligence with the aim to have SAME STRUCTURAL RESISTENCE ( as traditionaly milled pieces ) but also to be LOWER WEIGHT.
..and they are not milled ..but rather 3D PRINTED......
the end result is : SU-57 is 2 tons lighter than F-22.....DESPITE THE FACT THAT IT CARRYES WAY MORE HEAVY avionics equitment than F-22 ( 4 AESA antenas, IRST optical locator, DIRCM...ETC )
....IVE SEEN THAT FEW YEARS AGO in some docmentary about SU-57...and it was MIND BLOWING.
Well sadly, for millions of Americans if its not American it has to be junk by default. This is much worse however as it is Putin's aircraft so it will have a Hitler moustache, chips from old washing machines and be armed with spades. Putin will also be the pilot as he seems to be the only resident of Russia and a one man army. Marvel should sign him. Lets hope some of them watch this video, a great show, thank you!
I am too dumb to write anything smart, so here is a comment for the algorithm!
The same kind of people think that the J-31 is a copy of the F-35
you need not apologize for the content you made. It is both properly basic and in-depth when required.
fantastic video.
Thanks for another excellent video.
Would I like an introduction / refresher?
Sure ~ Why not?
Some people trash talk something because its from a certain country its childish.
You should see some of the trashy bullshite in the comment section over at Eurasia Naval Insight when they highlight a PLAN ship such as the new Chinese Fujian carrier. It's unbelievable at times.
As a 39-year-old resident of Russia, I can say that during this period you would certainly get used to the fact that voices from the West usually and constantly asking you to apologize for something and feel ashamed about it.
@@LoserDestiny lol
@@LoserDestinyusername checks out.
Hmm, I wonder why?
Well, there's plenty your country has to apologize for. It's the nazi Germany if it didn't lose. Built on centuries of conquest and genocide.
It is not alone at that, but it is what it is.
Thank you. The Su-57 is certainly an interesting aeroplane.
There appears to be an argument that aerodynamics no longer matter, at least for our adversaries. They are saying the SU57 is antique because it’s not as LO as the F22 and they don’t consider its range, speed or super maneuverability.
The aargument says that only LO matters because you cannot outrun a missile and this is false. Even playing DCS showed me that this is false missiles can be outrun! Maneuverability also allows for you to take a shot first!
There was a record of conversation between Su-34 pilots and air traffic control (or A-50 AWACS crew) where the air traffic control helped them avoid Patriot missiles.
The fact that a completely non-stealth Su-34 evaded 3 patriot missiles by maneuvering and running away is proof enough stealth is not be-all and end-all.
LO value is relative. Paint a cargo plane black and it's invisible in the 1920's. American aircraft's primary detectors are surface based, meaning that they have to be LO enough to mitigate powerful surface based radars. Russian aircraft's primary detectors are western aircraft which have exponentially less powerful radars than surface based air defense systems. They don't need to be as LO because their primary threat has less capable radars.
so you use DCS as a reference. um, yeah.
@@fredmdbud DCS is fairly good reference for pure air 1 on 1 combat
@@Янус_Ыртnop
Guys with this moustache have 99% chance of stealing your girlfriend
Think it was Bob Hoover (among others..) who said if it looks good, it should fly good. Personal opinion, the Su-57 is the most beautiful aircraft ever built. It is a certainly is a highly capable aircraft with ridiculous maneuverability as well.
The Russian has always designed good looking planes from the outside. The problem is the avionics, EW , software etc where they seem to be far behind.
The biggest difference between these planes is that the Su-35 exists and the Su-57 does not. The rest are minor.
Нет
Someone's been living under a rock
The two aircraft are not even shaped similar in any way
They use a very similar aerodynamic layout
How? Just because both fly? @@prodigy-hu6dy
Look at the side profile comparison @@hiteshadhikari
@@Remix2366 next what? Bith have wings and control surfaces so they are similar?
@@Remix2366 additional control surfaces inc levcon completely nullify such arguments
And the Swedish fighter aircraft "DRAKEN" was indeed a car because it was Volvo that manufactured the engines.
lol if su-57 is reskinned su-35 then f35 is reskinned yak-141 hence f35 is either not stealth aircraft or yak-141 was stealth aircraft and this also proves soviet made a stealth fighter plane 10 years before west 🥴
Edited: Bet yak-141 & f35 has more in common than su-57 & su-35🤪
The F-35 has nothing in common with the Yak-141.
@@voidtempering8700was gonna say. The Yak and F-35 are like night and day
They also argue F35 is not a copy of Yak-141 because the US has bought the plane from the Russians. And then they do mental gymnastics about how reverse engineering is not copying. 😂
@@MGZetta we did neither reverse engineer nor copy, people forget that Lockheed bought information from Yakovlev. Neither company were contracted to develop the engine or lift system
@@MGZetta What reverse engineering? There is nothing on the Yak present in the F-35. The F-35 has 100% access to the engine's thrust. The Yak was never in production. It was more of a side project than anything else
Review of the basics is always worthwhile, personally Sukhoi is my favourite aircraft manufacturer, they draw simply elegant aircraft.
The 747 is just a 707 then hahahha
I cannot but humbly admire you for the knowledge and for the ability to explain such complicated things in a very acceptable and indeed interesting way.
As always excellent documentary
I always leave this channel with a new appreciation of aircraft design, and a definite education. Great work!
Excellent and as interesting as usual, thank you.
I hope things are going better for you.
Outstanding explanation of a subject that is nuanced and difficult to fully understand.
Actually a great episode! Learned alot..
I mean... Su-35 with a bit of stealth is not exactly a bad recipe.
Su57 is just a Su35, just like a F22 is just a F15, and a F35 is just a F16, and the J20 is just a J10.
j/k
aircraft are usually evolutionary, because people don't like to take risk on a mutli billion dollar project. but to say they are the same aircraft is like saying Saturn V is the same rocket as the V2 since it evolve from it.
Gracias como siempre por tu interesante contenido. Entiendo que el artículo de Quora, posiblemente escrito por una inteligencia artificial aleatorea, ha sido una buena excusa para hablar de aerodínamica y construcción aeronáutica.
Dêjstvitêljno veršina aeronavtiki.
And that's the version where he's staying calm... Great composure!
SU57 is a masterpiece indeed as is most Russian aerodynamic design.
often US solves these issues by brute power.
What? 😂
Thank you! great video, and superb analysis, only you could explain this in a way that the average Joe can understand.
Περιμένουμε βίντεο και σκέψεις περί την τακτικής στην ρωσική αεροπορία στην Ουκρανία
Tomorrow: triangles are squares.
🤣
Unfortunately anti Russian prejudice runs deep in the anglosphere so it's easy to pass nonsense as factual
Prejudice? Russian authorities lie and boast so often it's not even funny. A nice example is their army's performance in Ukraine and the 3-day operation.
It's actually incredibly dangerous because it creates an echochamber. Eventually the nonsense reaches the people who make decisions and they start to make really bad decisions. This happened to Russia and it's *why* there's a war in Ukraine.
I would blame the lack of education.
Rossija will see the reckoning one day, and not too soon. And I can assure it'll be not about fighting the outside.
On the contrary. I met a NASA engineer in the display of the Saturn Rocket. He spoke at length about the Apollo-Soyuz collaboration; he had the utmost respect for the practical solutions of his russian counterparts. Boeing engineers (Everett plant) often spoke highly of Russian airplane designs. Many americans admire and have respect for russians, particularly, their creative people (engineers, scientists, philosophers, writers, athletes and artists). The sentiment caught me by surprise. The rejection is to their politicians, who also screw the russian people. Russia should, by all accounts, be a prosperous country, but corruption and bad administration has left it an impoverish wasteland. The ultimate example of how little the Kremlin cares for it's citizens, is that now they are throwing "meatwaves", generations of russians against generations of ukranians, eliminating them both from existence to apease the imperialistic aspirations of the big little tyrant. Disclaimer: I am neither from Russian nor the Anfglosphere, but have lived on both places. I honestly believe that the rest of the world wants Russia to come back to the table and see its economy succeed. And for its people to do better and achieve full potential.
I would have thought the strongest argument against the re-skinning theory is that if the SU-57 were a reskinned SU-35 then they would have been able to make more SU-57s so far than they actually have because they could re-use the SU-35 production lines. I know this channel is a fan of the SU-57, but really it would struggle to be on a par with the F-22 that is now at the end of it's career in the US, and is being built in such small numbers that no matter how good it is it won't make a difference - just look at it's (lack of) impact in the Ukraine war.
Well. F35 actually - is just a re-skin of Yak 141😂😂😂
А AV-8A?
Hi to M7 !
What can I write? Again congrats for the great analysis.
One very important detail that respected M7 forgot to mention as he noticed details about wings as most important aerodynamic surfaces. Su-57's wings have 30% more area then wings of Su-35S ,82sqm vs 62sqm ! More wing area means more lift. Also as he mentioned the centroplane of the Su-57 is much bigger .
Thanks to much better aerodynamic layout,much better aerodynamic technical solutions,Su-57 has much lower aerodynamic drag,much bigger aerodynamic lift. So the coefficients of these two aerodynamic parameters are on the Su-57's side.That's not all, Su-57 can whitstand much bigger aerodynamic pressure ( as the relation of the G-force and the given in-flight weight ) in comparison with Su-35S. In fact, Su-57 is 10G-fighter, Su-35S is 9G-fighter.
If we question ourself why all of those aerodynamic control surfaces ( LEVCONs, wings and vert./hor. stabilisers) are positioned as they are ,answer will be simple. To reduce aerodynamic drag and to reduce frontal and lateral RCS. Su-57 has much bigger vertical speed ( especially initial rate of climb), much better thrust to weight ratio in any given flight regime and of course that SEP. E.g. all-movable vert stabilisers of Su-57 are much smaller but the effective area of that aerodynamic control surface is much bigger in comparison with rudders on vert stabilisers of Su-35S.
Pls take a look on the air intake ramps. Su-57 has horizontally positioned air intake ramps and in the same time they are more integrated besides central fuselage section. Su-35S has classic vertically positioned air intakes ramps like all other FFF ( Flanker Family Fighters).
Su-57 has nothing to do with Su-35S if we speak about aerodynamics.
In the meantime ,one friend of mine sent comments as answers to that silly article from Oct 7 with next title:
''USAF Avionics Technician explains why the Russian Su-57 would be a world beating, game changing aircraft in 1985''
''The Sukhoi Su-57 (NATO reporting name: Felon) is a twin-engine stealth multirole fighter aircraft developed by Sukhoi. It is the product of the PAK FA (”prospective aeronautical complex of front-line air forces”) programme, which was initiated in 1999 as a more modern and affordable alternative to the Mikoyan Project 1.44/1.42. Sukhoi’s internal designation for the aircraft is T-50. The Su-57 is the first aircraft in Russian military service designed with stealth technology and is intended to be the basis for a family of stealth combat aircraft.''
Т-50 or Su-57 is completely new digitally projected 5th gen stealth fighter which has nothing to do with former Soviet technological demonstrator for 5th gen fighter called MFI 1.44.
''A multirole fighter capable of aerial combat as well as ground and maritime strike, the Su-57 incorporates stealth, supermaneuverability, supercruise, integrated avionics, and substantial internal payload capacity. The aircraft is expected to succeed the MiG-29 and Su-27 in the Russian military service and has also been marketed for export. The first prototype aircraft flew in 2010, but the program would experience a protracted development due to various structural and technical issues that emerged during trials, including the destruction of the first production aircraft in a crash before its delivery. After repeated delays, the first Su-57 entered service with the Russian Aerospace Forces (VKS) in December 2020. The fighter is expected to have a service life of up to 35 years.''
Even one MiG-29 or Su-27 can have a total service life of 40-45 years. Su-57 with its main construction materials like composites and new special Aluminium-Lithium Alloy type 1441 can have service life up to 50 years.
''How does the Sukhoi Su-57 compare to the US’ F-22 and F-35?
', explains on Quora;‘I think it’s safe to say that the Su-57 Felon is a world beating, game changing aircraft that is the most dominating fighter plane in the sky at the present time.‘Assuming the present time is 1985.‘Because in 2024? Not so much.''
1985 ? What a nonsense !
''Russian Su-57 Vs US’ F-22 and F-35
‘First, Comrade Stalin himself said that quantity had a quality all its own. And in this regard, the quality of the Felon just does not measure up. Since the question specifically asks to compare the jet to the F-22 and the F-35, the numbers just aren’t even in the same ballpark.
‘The Felon was supposed to have 150 aircraft built by 2025. So far, they’ve only produced 20. Meanwhile, Lockheed delivered the last of the 180 production F-22’s, twelve years ago.''
What does Stalin have to do with Su-57 anyway ? About quantity ,they have 10 flyable prototypes and 24 serial/operational fighters so far. 150? There was no plan or any state contract for 150 fighters but for 76 in total with plan for serail production from 2020 until the end of 2027. Everything is going to plan.
‘'From an avionics standpoint, The Su-57 isn’t terrible. But it lacks the sensor fusion of the F-35, which inarguably is the best in the world. Even the F-22 doesn’t compare, and is being retro-fitted to make it more compatible and capable.''
F-35 or any other 5th gen stealth fighter do not have that level of sensor fusion like Su-57 does .With its 8 AESA radars ( yes ,eight, where four of them work in centimetric X band and another four work in decimetric L band) as part of N036 Byelka radar system together with AESA jamm stations of L402 Khibiny ECM system ( both systems as part of unique Sh121 MIRES ) plus 9/nine optical-electronic modules of self-defence complex ''101KS Atoll''.Su-57 is a real flying radar-jamm complex with capability for all around (360 degrees) radar azimuthal coverage.Su-57 is in fact the first fighter in the world with very long range decimetric L band search radars,first fighter in the world with real combat lasers as part of 101KS-O self defence suit/modules.
''The issue really is money, not engineers. The west has a lot of it and Russia does not. Despite their size, Russia’s economy is about the size of Spain. They can’t afford to invent the best stuff, but the west can. So everyone wants to buy the F-35 and no one wants to buy the Su-57, which only makes the lack of money issue worse.''
Russia's economy is about the size of Spain ? Woooow .... Another nonsense. One F-35 as a single engine fighter has a flyaway cost ( sell price as clean aircraft ) of about 300 mil $. In comparison ,the heavy twin engine Su-57 will have a sell price about 100 mil $.
''Largely a re-skinned Su-35
‘The US has 17 countries currently approved to buy the F-35 and at least six more that want it. Russia had one partner on the Felon, India, who dropped out when the plane would not meet production targets.‘There are deeper issues as well. The F-22 and F-35 were designed from the ground up with state-of-the-art computers and modeling to be top of the line stealth fighters.‘The Su-57 was largely a re-skinned Su-35, which itself is an upgraded and modernized Su-27, first flown in the 1977. The reason this is important is that there is only so much you can do to reduce Radar Cross Section when your major structural components were designed in the 1970’s, before stealth was a design consideration. It’s the same issue with the F-15 Silent Eagle, a “stealtherized” version of the F-15. You can adapt the airframe to have stealthier components, but it will never have an RCS as small as an F-22 or F-35.’'
India was a partner in the FGFA program ,not in PAK-FA ! Su-57 has nothing to do with Su-35.In fact ,frontal RCS in centimetric X band in angle aspect +/-15 degrees for all 5th gen stealth fighters is in level 0.1-0.5 sqm. Reason is simple: all stealth fighters are in fact LO ( Low Observable) ,not VLO ( Very Low Observable) aircraft.
''Leimbach concludes;
‘In short, the F-22 and F-35 have frames designed for stealth, and the Su-57 has stealth adapted to a pre-existing 1970’s frame. Better than any 4th gen fighter to be sure, but it’s never going to be as good as a 5th gen that’s purpose built.
‘A perfect example of this is the rear aspect of the Felon. Half the engine is left exposed. There is no attempt at reducing radar or IR signatures at all. Compare this to the F-22:‘Or another purpose built stealth plane, the F-117.‘It’s just not even apples to oranges, it’s apples to bowling balls.’'
In fact ,Su-57 is from the start of the project PAK-FA designed as a stealth fighter with characteristical aerodynamics technical solutions .About engines,yes ,they are widely spaced but new so called second stage engines AL-51F ( Product 30) has new composite IGV besides radar blockers inside air intakes ,has serrated petals on their nozzles ,all of that for reducing RCS from the front and rear hemisphere. Also has third only cold stream for cooling engines and nozzles in all working modes thus reducing IR signature from both hemispheres.
@@aviator77migsukhoi34 Firstly the F-35 per unit cost is about 70 Million USD for the cheapest variant while the Su-57 comes in at about 51 Million USD.
Secondly, the Su-57 had many potential customers such as Egypt, Algeria, Iran, Malaysia and a few others but had to pull out due to CAATSA sanction imposed by the US
Thirdly, Russian engineers did not focus on the stealth aspect for the back of the aircraft to give an edge on aerodynamic agility. Though it is mostly covered with RAM regardless.
Russia has an economy the size of Spain because its being sanctioned to the teeth. If any similar sized economy gets sanctioned you'll watch it go down.
@@sujitbala1492 Hm, hm. That's not right. Firstly ,average Fly-away cost per unit of F-35 for FY 2025 is about 90 mil $ , while Russian company KnAAZ produces one Su-57 for only 30 mil $.
Citation :
“We remain in negotiations with the U.S. government on the Lot 18-19 production contracts. Without additional contractual direction from the U.S. government, we will exceed the current contractual authorization and funding on the Lot 18-19 advance acquisition contract during the third quarter of 2024,” the filing said.
Ulmer couldn’t forecast when the deal will close, but said they’re aiming between now and the end of the year.
The deal struck for the last contract-for lots 15 through 17-had put the average flyaway cost of the Air Force’s F-35A variant at $82.5 million. The F-35B vertical take-off and landing variant came in at $109 million, and the carrier-based F-35C at $102.1 million. These numbers were slightly higher than in the preceding lots, but still lower in real terms.''
Secondly ,if we talk about export ,first customer of Su-57E wiil be soon IAF ,then Algeria and Vietnam ( there will be no CAATSA) . The price for one export Su-57E as clean will be about 120 mil$ ,F-35 has export price as min as 300 mil $.
Thirdly, Su-57 is stealth fighter in the same class as US fighers F-22A and F-35 . All three of them are LO ( Low Observable) aircraft not VLO ,so they have frontal RCS in centimetric bands about 0.3 sqm. With all composite skin,radar-blockers inside air intakes,ITO made canopy etc ,Su-57 is really stealth as other fighters( US and Chinese) . From the rear hemisphere with AL-41F1 engines ,RCS is much bigger , yes, that's right but that will change when AL-51F with serated petals comes next year.
RF has most growing economy in the World in the past 2 years.Sanctions ?Aha and one Poland is buying Aluminum from Russia,gas is still going through Ukraine to the EU countries,USA is buying Uranium ,Titanium etc.
It's either just a SU-35 or a copy of an F-22, could be either one.
F-22 is a re-skinned Su-35.
@@alexanderbelov6892 Trump is a resckinned blabbermouth from the Russian Duma.
To address you addendum: A video series that breaks down how aircraft work for noobs would be a great source of information which could kick-start designers who are interested in making RC planes/drones, as well as designers who would develop entirely fictional aircraft for games/film/books. There is a distinct gap in the online knowledge pool between opinion pieces, and the super in-depth engineer-level function exploration, which I would welcome you to tackle. Keep up the great work. You are appreciated.
The SU-57 is a truly beautiful aircraft!
It has been years since I NEVER EVER touch Quora.
The Su 57 is really just a tricycle "with a skin".
6:50 ❤ Improving the already extraordinary Su-27 design and performance.
Tactical comment!
It’s a pleasure to see a topic presented with such appassionato!
Su57 is also hands down the prettiest aircraft.
thank you for this very clear explanation!!
There will always be people who are biased towards western technology (as of beeing superior). But underestimating your opponent and his technology is fatal in modern war. The Ukrainian war shows how overrated western technology is. Beeing on the other hand to at least more than 2-3 times more expensive that the eastern ones (Russian, Chinese, Iranian,...), it clearly show that most underrated feature in weapons is ratio: cost efficiency. Su57 is as good as it need to be to be produced in greater numbers if needed and for what the Russians need them according to their doctrine and economic justification. P.S:: very good video, showing that you can fight against biased people only with facts !
They are not able to produce them in any meaningful quantities.
"Quantity has a quality of its own." - Stalin
@@JoeKundlak Never underestimate the Russians. Hitler and Napoleon made that mistake. P.S:: Su57 is not as important for the Russians as are F22 and F35 for the USA. USA's doctrine is offensive, Russia's doctrine is defensive - they rely more on ground to air defense - it's cheaper for them.
@@tomazznidarko8700that explains why their offense lacks in efficiency.
@@Duron13todavía no sabes lo que es una guerra de desgaste?
Planes aren’t like cars. You can’t take a chassis and pop on another body and just go. The “body” of the plane IS the plane!
Su57 is not stealth. Same reasoning that told us Russia is running out of missiles.
Or that it was winning 😂
That much is clear. SU-57 is obviously made out of shovels, and those are not stealthy. Anyone objecting to this is a Russia fanboy. F-22/F-35 foreva!
@@ArchangelUriel-jc4uq Or that they were fighting with shovels and needed to dismantle washing-machines to get the chips for their rockets. 😂😂
@@AniMageNeBy or that Russia was a powerful country lmao
@@ArchangelUriel-jc4uqhaving shiny F-35s, but illegal immigrants freely invade the country and mug your family on the street. 😂
A "back to the basics" video series is probably a good idea.
Not everybody understands all the aspects of a modern aircraft ... me included.
Uneducated people: su-57 is just a reskinned su-37
Real geniuses: Su-57 is just a reskinned Yak-3
Extra Geniuses: Su-57 is just a reskin of Yak-3U VK-107
@@zrbbg9639 IM COOOOOMING
No, just a reskinned steed Bucephalus
I see the differences, but I also see the similarities. Ever since it was first revealed as the Pak-50, I thought the Su-57 looked like a stealthified Su-35 with some upgraded systems. I've watched, listened to, and read content for more than a decade now, and none of it has provided compelling evidence that the Su-57 is anything else. That doesn't mean that it isn't a so-called 5th generation aircraft or at least closely approaching such a designation. It also doesn't mean that there hasn't been innovation associated with its stealthified design or the various requisite systems that we might expect to see on that type of aircraft. Indeed, they are not the same aircraft, but they are also not entirely unique aircraft designed separately from the ground up. The Su-57 has always appeared to be a Su-35 with a stealth body plan overlayed on top of it. Pointing out the specific differences involved in such an overlay that make it different from the shape of the non-stealth Su-35 doesn't do anything to demonstrate that it is an entirely different aircraft. All it means is that stealth necessitates differences between a traditionally layed out 4th generation aircraft. When you look at an F-22, it doesn't look like a stealthified F-15, but the Su-57 does look like a stealthified Su-35. The question for me is, why would this kind of observation upset anyone? It doesn't take anything away from the aircraft. It may say something about the designers or the amount of money available to Russian aircraft companies, but it really shouldn't be seen as detracting much from the aircraft itself. So this particular video leaves me mystified, and I doubt its going to change too many minds. Most of this is just based upon the appearance, and that's not going to change.
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Can you cover the Virupaksha upgrade for the Su-30?
Obviously an F-35 is a reskinned F-16 and a Rafale is a reskined Mirage-2000!!! And a 747 is a reskinned Wright Flyer! HERR DURR!!!
That guy is correct on some occasions but he denigrates anything that is Russian. He is an Indian guy who is in love with western tech. I got so tired of him and his followers I left quora
I already read it and somehow he believe kinzhal is equipped with fab 500 bomb
F-35 is a 2nd Gen Yak-141, look it up !
The nafo zombies are everywhere, attacking anyone who doesn't modify reality to their delusions.
Yup. How's that 3 day SMO GOING?
@billwill7383 The fact that you still dont get that Mike Miley came up with this is baffling. You have the same mentality as the flat earthers. It's a mental disease .
@@billwill7383 Crimea beach party wen?
@billwill7383 You are like the flat earthers , Mark Miley came up with this timeline , you can't even wrap your head over this easily verifiable fact.
@@saurabhtyagi9231 IDK. But I'll let you know 👍