"Folded in the game of life " funny as hell! Been in the trades myself for almost 40 years, 20 of those doing drywall. I get it...haha made me laugh! Have done my share of flooring also, all types, up and back down on the knees a hundred times a day, hard on the ol body after 10s of thousands of sq feet, flooring, a few million drywall. Folded in the game of life cracked me up! Thanx
LVP can be very rigid also. There are some you aren't getting one out of the middle and replace without clipping tongue off and using double sided tape to tape a piece in. Laminate same procedure.
...does that also include roof, tile, brick, window, garage door, and siding installers too? What about HVAC or electricians? Did they fold in the game of life too? Why can't you be excellent at any path you choose and not be 'degraded' for it?
One of our "flooring industry" people in my store cleared out nearly three quarters of a million dollars in commission and salary in a single year. He was definitely laughing as well.
Love your videos! Get some knee pads man! You're hurting me watching you without them! Troxell (leather heads) knee pads are my go to! (50 bucks online) They're like pillows on your knees. Pro Knees are what union flooring journeymen use too. Those things are boss. Thank you!
what would be considered too cheap for vinyl plank flooring? I'm currently looking at this stuff and watching videos and from them I have gleaned that thicker is usually better... but I'm on a somewhat tight budget and cant go with the truly chunky stuff. How low can I go before it hits a cut off point of "thats garbage, dont even bother"?
There are four things you should look at, the wear layer thickness, the overall thickness, the locking mechanism type and whether it comes with a pre attached underlay.
Wear layers aren't as important as most people think they are. There is no functional difference between a 12, or 20 mil product when it comes to LVP. It is the same material. Thicker plastic scratches just as easy as thinner plastic. It just wears longer, but by the time you are damaging the actual layer underneath they will both look equally as terrible. Price point with LVP is usually driven by how thick the flooring is, and by how nice it looks. The number of scans before they repeat and if it is embossed, and/or registered embossed. Thinner LVPs are more prone to separation and joint breakage though.
Very informative video. Quick question please - do you need an expansion gap with vinyl flooring? If yes does it need to be 10 to 15mm (as it does with laminate) ?
How is the "walk feel" on laminate vs vinyl? I heard that vinyl feels/ sounds cheap under the foot when walking on? What is your thought about this aspect? Many thanks!
In the home I’m renovating I am replacing the vinyl with laminate wood on a concrete slab so I can tell you exactly… vinyl has a cheap “thud” when you walk on it like a layer of plastic on concrete whereas laminate wood has a “hollow” sound like wood when you walk… I much prefer laminate wood.
This video being two years old leaves me to ask, has laminate become more water resistant now?? I see the Brand Pergo says they are 24 hour waterproof. I know they’ve come a long way in two years. I’d love a response from the video poster.
Pergo (and their owners, Mohawk) make laminates that you can steam mop that water won't damage outside of a catastrophic failure in your home. The 24 hour stuff is big box store crap. The surface layer is non permeable, and they usually have lightly waxed edges for their locking joints that help resist moisture. But there is nothing built into the material that repels moisture, like the better products made by the same company.
If only vinyl didn’t look and feel so cheap. I’m sure one day they will come closer to matching real wood looks. If you aren’t going for a wood look vinyl is really the only way to go.
We are in the middle of replacing our Laminate with LVP (SPC 6.5mm) and I’m already regretting it. We have to spend an extra $2.90/sq to level our floor. I’m wondering if this would have been the case with Laminate. I mean, we didn’t have any problems with our Laminate (which came with the house when we bought 5 years ago). We are only replacing due to a pipe burst.
Depends on the floor. All have tolerance they can take with floor imperfections. Laminates tend to handle them better, and the locking mechanisms are typically more robust. And LVP wouldn't have helped with the burst pipe. They would have still torn out that floor to get to the damage.
if the locking edges around the planks are wood coloured brown it is laminate, if they are gray it is vinyl. With a finished floor it is impossible to tell the difference by eye, you'd have to touch it
I'm cringing as I watch you lay flooring over a dirty tile floor littered with debris. Do your customers complain about crunching noises as they walk over the floors you've installed??
@@aaronchen4841 I think it’s all about installation making sure to give the floor proper space to expand. We have cheap builders grade laminate that even went through a flooded dishwashing machine but still looks as good as when we bought the house brand new in 2008
Yeah you might not want to hire this guy putting down the floor. He didn't even bother cleaning the floor first. Sweeping the floor just takes too much time. There is a video game waiting at home.
What do you mean folded in the game of life. I just joined the flooring world. Should I get out now why I can? Please reply I’ve been in training for 4 days. I sell and do the cut plans. I don’t actually install.
...either he is referring to the fact installers are always bent over (folded in half) when putting in the floors...or, he's saying there isn't much to learn and know so it is a safe way out without losing much...or you just gave up and are cutting your losses. Tough one to figure out as I'm trying to find the sarcasm in that statement too...
when your customer calls to complain about the crunch crunch crunch underfoot, it's because you didnt use underlayment padding, reguardless of what the packaging says. Live and learn youngster.
It’s hard to take any of these videos seriously when they install laminate without underlayment and with fixing gaps underneath by just plugging laminate boards going the opposite direction.
There is no project that a vinyl can do for normal use within a home that a waterproof laminate can't do too... and in many cases better. It is crazy to me that Big Box stores are still pushing it so hard, since the actual flooring salesmen, reps, and businesses are seeing a massive push to Laminate, as its functionally waterproof, more scratch resistant, more resistant to separation and is thicker so it can match up to tile heights better.
Thank you for this. 😊
Thank you for making this video
Can you provide some details on the thickness of the luxury vinyl plank flooring?
Greta video... thanks
"Folded in the game of life " funny as hell! Been in the trades myself for almost 40 years, 20 of those doing drywall. I get it...haha made me laugh! Have done my share of flooring also, all types, up and back down on the knees a hundred times a day, hard on the ol body after 10s of thousands of sq feet, flooring, a few million drywall.
Folded in the game of life cracked me up! Thanx
Hmm. Great video but wouldn't it be better to sweep the floor before laying the floor planks? 😬
LVP can be very rigid also. There are some you aren't getting one out of the middle and replace without clipping tongue off and using double sided tape to tape a piece in. Laminate same procedure.
Quality video, great information and not a second wasted!
Great Video
No underlayment and a claw hammer for installation seems off.
What is an example of cheap vinyl plank flooring?
“If you become successful in the flooring industry, you basically folded in the game of life”
I never laughed so hard
...does that also include roof, tile, brick, window, garage door, and siding installers too? What about HVAC or electricians? Did they fold in the game of life too? Why can't you be excellent at any path you choose and not be 'degraded' for it?
Installer or sellers?
And they laugh all the way to the bank.
One of our "flooring industry" people in my store cleared out nearly three quarters of a million dollars in commission and salary in a single year.
He was definitely laughing as well.
Love your videos!
Get some knee pads man!
You're hurting me watching you without them!
Troxell (leather heads) knee pads are my go to! (50 bucks online)
They're like pillows on your knees.
Pro Knees are what union flooring journeymen use too. Those things are boss.
Thank you!
Haha hilarious commentary. And really good pro-vinyl arguments I'm sold.
Which one is better is you have pets and they may have accidents?
what would be considered too cheap for vinyl plank flooring?
I'm currently looking at this stuff and watching videos and from them I have gleaned that thicker is usually better... but I'm on a somewhat tight budget and cant go with the truly chunky stuff. How low can I go before it hits a cut off point of "thats garbage, dont even bother"?
There are four things you should look at, the wear layer thickness, the overall thickness, the locking mechanism type and whether it comes with a pre attached underlay.
Wear layers aren't as important as most people think they are.
There is no functional difference between a 12, or 20 mil product when it comes to LVP. It is the same material. Thicker plastic scratches just as easy as thinner plastic. It just wears longer, but by the time you are damaging the actual layer underneath they will both look equally as terrible.
Price point with LVP is usually driven by how thick the flooring is, and by how nice it looks. The number of scans before they repeat and if it is embossed, and/or registered embossed.
Thinner LVPs are more prone to separation and joint breakage though.
Very informative video. Quick question please - do you need an expansion gap with vinyl flooring? If yes does it need to be 10 to 15mm (as it does with laminate) ?
No
To maintain the warranty on your floor you will need to have an expansion gap for your flooring. Typically about 3/8s to a 1/2 inch.
19 people bought laminate just before watching lol
How is the "walk feel" on laminate vs vinyl? I heard that vinyl feels/ sounds cheap under the foot when walking on? What is your thought about this aspect? Many thanks!
Walking on vinyl so much better ..laminate for me feels slippery and I find myself tensing up and therefore sore back ..vinyl is more sticky
Feels like plastic and scratches like plastic too. Laminate uses an aluminum oxide coating to be extremely scratch resistant.
In the home I’m renovating I am replacing the vinyl with laminate wood on a concrete slab so I can tell you exactly… vinyl has a cheap “thud” when you walk on it like a layer of plastic on concrete whereas laminate wood has a “hollow” sound like wood when you walk… I much prefer laminate wood.
This video being two years old leaves me to ask, has laminate become more water resistant now?? I see the Brand Pergo says they are 24 hour waterproof. I know they’ve come a long way in two years. I’d love a response from the video poster.
Pergo (and their owners, Mohawk) make laminates that you can steam mop that water won't damage outside of a catastrophic failure in your home.
The 24 hour stuff is big box store crap. The surface layer is non permeable, and they usually have lightly waxed edges for their locking joints that help resist moisture. But there is nothing built into the material that repels moisture, like the better products made by the same company.
8mm/20mil for residential.
If only vinyl didn’t look and feel so cheap. I’m sure one day they will come closer to matching real wood looks. If you aren’t going for a wood look vinyl is really the only way to go.
We are in the middle of replacing our Laminate with LVP (SPC 6.5mm) and I’m already regretting it. We have to spend an extra $2.90/sq to level our floor. I’m wondering if this would have been the case with Laminate. I mean, we didn’t have any problems with our Laminate (which came with the house when we bought 5 years ago). We are only replacing due to a pipe burst.
Depends on the floor.
All have tolerance they can take with floor imperfections.
Laminates tend to handle them better, and the locking mechanisms are typically more robust.
And LVP wouldn't have helped with the burst pipe. They would have still torn out that floor to get to the damage.
Which name brand of luxury vinyl plank do you like best?
Lawson
What would you consider cheap vinyl. Im looking at one from Lowes for $2.29/sqft
That is cheap.
Probably has like 5 scans, so every five boards the pattern will repeat. Will look fake.
What’s a good brand and thickness...for a rental in Laos Angeles?
Is that located in South East Asia?
Did you ever get flooring?
How do people tell the difference between vinyl and laminate flooring from pictures alone? Especially if the design is similar? Any tips and tricks?
if the locking edges around the planks are wood coloured brown it is laminate, if they are gray it is vinyl. With a finished floor it is impossible to tell the difference by eye, you'd have to touch it
@@KiAownage what is the feeling of each?
@@MegaFinalRound depends on if it's textured but generally laminates feel like ikea furniture and vinyls feel more like a hard plastic
1:42 dam nigga i can hear the anger when you was putting yo dog on blast lmao
What is the color of the vinyl flooring at 04:15 min
Hi 😀
They do make waterproof laminate, was installing it today. Aqualock
They make alot of waterproof laminate.
Mohawk RevWood is my favorite.
I'm cringing as I watch you lay flooring over a dirty tile floor littered with debris. Do your customers complain about crunching noises as they walk over the floors you've installed??
It's a guy installing the floor. Not her guys. She is not a guy.
@@jamescole3152 ok?
Laminate has the worst locking end joints. Almost every laminate job I've seen has boards separating at the ends, even with no water damage.
Depends on how much you spend like everything. Some are really cheap for a reason
I have my pergo for years , and it still looks new...u get what u pay for. .....invest in the good ones
@@lindam.6782 hmm. Pergo salesman? 😳
@@lindam.6782 Wow.
@@aaronchen4841 I think it’s all about installation making sure to give the floor proper space to expand. We have cheap builders grade laminate that even went through a flooded dishwashing machine but still looks as good as when we bought the house brand new in 2008
Yeah you might not want to hire this guy putting down the floor. He didn't even bother cleaning the floor first. Sweeping the floor just takes too much time. There is a video game waiting at home.
*walks on floor* *crunch* *crunch*
What do you mean folded in the game of life. I just joined the flooring world. Should I get out now why I can? Please reply I’ve been in training for 4 days. I sell and do the cut plans. I don’t actually install.
...either he is referring to the fact installers are always bent over (folded in half) when putting in the floors...or, he's saying there isn't much to learn and know so it is a safe way out without losing much...or you just gave up and are cutting your losses. Tough one to figure out as I'm trying to find the sarcasm in that statement too...
No knee pads......ur done
You're gonna wish you wore knee pads when you grow up.
Did you put the first planks over tile?
With laminate at least, that's a common thing. Totally fine.
when your customer calls to complain about the crunch crunch crunch underfoot, it's because you didnt use underlayment padding, reguardless of what the packaging says. Live and learn youngster.
Your knees!
What about actual waterproof laminate?
Stopped watching the video after I watched you install over a dirty floor.
It’s hard to take any of these videos seriously when they install laminate without underlayment and with fixing gaps underneath by just plugging laminate boards going the opposite direction.
There is no project that a vinyl can do for normal use within a home that a waterproof laminate can't do too... and in many cases better.
It is crazy to me that Big Box stores are still pushing it so hard, since the actual flooring salesmen, reps, and businesses are seeing a massive push to Laminate, as its functionally waterproof, more scratch resistant, more resistant to separation and is thicker so it can match up to tile heights better.