Michael Lorenzen is still in the league too...although he doesnt hit anymore but he used to when he played for the Reds and was only the 2nd player in MLB history to get the W as a pitcher while hitting a HR and playing a non-pitcher position in the same game. The first since Ruth.
@@Posirepcannot compare the two…not even in the same caliber. Ohtani is top of the elite in BOTH. Others CAN hit and pitch..thats it! Cole also hit HR as a pitcher
@@hustleouttheboxHe never really had a good season at the plate in the minors. Analysts generally say that someone who has shown improvement between full season performances, especially at important make-or-break levels like aa and aaa, is likely to adjust better to the majors. He was amazing on the mound in his first couple of full-ish seasons in the minors, which is probably why they rushed him into the rotation and expected things to catch up over time. Sometimes that happens, and analysts are often wrong, but he never really turned into the videogame style dual threat that shohei has since become.
@@antonioreconquistadorI agree. People easily bring up Highschool College and minor players of their accomplishments which cannot be compared to major league long distance travels and grueling schedules and competition. Ohtani is not easy to beat. Simply because he is really a freak of nature. Shohei has a discipline which few can keep on top of his blessed talent and physique. The consistency is the hardest.
Showtime was already playing in the Nippon big leagues. McKay had to grind through the minors using wood and throwing against blokes already seasoned …so no comparison.
Great video, one thing I might suggest, is talking about why he was so successful in college and the minors. The pitch he throws in the debut has a velo of 94, so he’s probably not in the upper echelon of velocity. Did he just have great breaking stuff. Also a side note, his delivery gives me Jordan Montgomery vibes haha
He’s a Pittsburgh guy. For every good coach in the Pittsburgh area, there’s 500 bad ones. Especially in that age, and I was playing that same time. It’s not nearly the same as it is in warm weather states and that’s what did his career. There’s so many of us with the same outcome, but he made it to the show
I think the main difference, in comparing him with Shohei, is that, not only is Shohei, quite literally, built different, work ethic and everything. He also had an organization that got on their knees to sign him and were 200% behind him being a two-way guy, plus, he didn't have to go through years of minor league ball where he could've found questionable or uptight coaching along the way, as he was put straight away, at 18, on the main squad.
Brendan Mckay somewhere - Shohei Ohtani, you’re taking everything I worked for MF, I’m gonna play against your Fn ass, you know who the real competition is, not these clown that you already punked in Spring training, you know you beat them already, that’s an easy MVP run, You want that real shit right here!
@hustleoutthebox what do you think there looking for from him?(would love to hear your thoughts). To me He has shown consistent contact and really good speed and utility on defense.
@@hustleoutthebox could’ve been their everyday SS but it’s amazing how one decision can change things. De La Cruz at SS is so exciting to watch there now.
I still really believe had teams let Zack Greinke be a 2 way he would've succeeded. I really believe he would've been a 240 250 hitter and have a 800> ops
definitely not lol, he has a career .598 ops during the NL era. It's not like ohtani has 10x the time to practice hitting, I'm sure greinke was getting his reps in the cage during that time and .598 was what came out of that.
@hustleoutthebox yeah, for being 27, and stuck in the minors, his future is bleak. But if he proves himself in a bullpen or starting role, he should be able to have a solid career
When Brendan became famous for his two-way play in university, he didn't even know Shohei's name who had then a certain success in Nippon Ham. Is it impossible for yanks to play an active and great role with the two-way like Shohei?
Michael Lorenzen is still in the league too...although he doesnt hit anymore but he used to when he played for the Reds and was only the 2nd player in MLB history to get the W as a pitcher while hitting a HR and playing a non-pitcher position in the same game. The first since Ruth.
i dont think he was literally inserted as a hitter but rather hit a HR as he was hitting as a pitcher if i’m not mistaking. But he was a unit lol
@hustleoutthebox He did start in CF for a bit as wel.
Not like Ohtani but he did play for a time as a 2 way player
@@Posirepcannot compare the two…not even in the same caliber. Ohtani is top of the elite in BOTH.
Others CAN hit and pitch..thats it!
Cole also hit HR as a pitcher
@@mirikaku5811you meat riding so hard bro😂
Rays rushed him to the MLB way too fast
I agree but still trying to figure out why he simply couldn’t hit
@@hustleouttheboxHe never really had a good season at the plate in the minors. Analysts generally say that someone who has shown improvement between full season performances, especially at important make-or-break levels like aa and aaa, is likely to adjust better to the majors. He was amazing on the mound in his first couple of full-ish seasons in the minors, which is probably why they rushed him into the rotation and expected things to catch up over time. Sometimes that happens, and analysts are often wrong, but he never really turned into the videogame style dual threat that shohei has since become.
@@antonioreconquistadorI agree. People easily bring up Highschool College and minor players of their accomplishments which cannot be compared to major league long distance travels and grueling schedules and competition. Ohtani is not easy to beat. Simply because he is really a freak of nature. Shohei has a discipline which few can keep on top of his blessed talent and physique.
The consistency is the hardest.
Showtime was already playing in the Nippon big leagues. McKay had to grind through the minors using wood and throwing against blokes already seasoned …so no comparison.
It’s what the rays do
I’m rooting for him! Great video!
Me too! Appreciate you 💪🏼
Great video, one thing I might suggest, is talking about why he was so successful in college and the minors. The pitch he throws in the debut has a velo of 94, so he’s probably not in the upper echelon of velocity. Did he just have great breaking stuff. Also a side note, his delivery gives me Jordan Montgomery vibes haha
He’s a Pittsburgh guy. For every good coach in the Pittsburgh area, there’s 500 bad ones. Especially in that age, and I was playing that same time. It’s not nearly the same as it is in warm weather states and that’s what did his career. There’s so many of us with the same outcome, but he made it to the show
It's amazing how I literally just thought about this right now, googled it, and you did a video about McKay just 2 days ago
meant to be!!!!
Love your content keep it up
Appreciate it! 💪🏼
I think the main difference, in comparing him with Shohei, is that, not only is Shohei, quite literally, built different, work ethic and everything. He also had an organization that got on their knees to sign him and were 200% behind him being a two-way guy, plus, he didn't have to go through years of minor league ball where he could've found questionable or uptight coaching along the way, as he was put straight away, at 18, on the main squad.
great points!
you can also do a video on all the TB pitchers that are out for the season
Rick ankiel did both at the majors just different years
I remember having fun using him in MLB The Show 20
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hunter greene or micheal lorenzen would be sweet!
And Micah Owings
what about him?
@@hustleouttheboxhe was before McKay and arguably better hitter
Very Interesting video!
his junior year is crazy i have an insane pitcher in baseball 9 that has thrown 2 perfect games and 1 no hit no run game and his era is 0.17
WOW! thats very impressive!
i dont know if this is sarcastic or not 😭😭@@hustleoutthebox
"What happened to Ruben Mateo?"
So often a first round pick in OOTP expansion franchise drafts
What happened? He faced professional hitters and pitchers PLUS his arm fell apart
so many shoulder injuries as well
Look like he should have just focused on pitching bad direction from the rays
after those first few years your probably right
I liked Brendan McKay, but I would have called him the failed Shohei Ohtani.
i think we understood the point.
Brendan Mckay somewhere - Shohei Ohtani, you’re taking everything I worked for MF, I’m gonna play against your Fn ass, you know who the real competition is, not these clown that you already punked in Spring training, you know you beat them already, that’s an easy MVP run, You want that real shit right here!
hoping he bounces back!
me too!
Do you think Xavier Edwards will be a everyday starter this year? I think he's proven enough to where he should be out there.
i think he will have every opportunity to prove himself in spring training
@hustleoutthebox what do you think there looking for from him?(would love to hear your thoughts). To me He has shown consistent contact and really good speed and utility on defense.
@@hustleoutthebox amazing content
Hunter Greene could have been a 2-way guy too. He was a stellar shortstop coming out of high school.
agree he was phenomenal in HS actually considering the best hitting HS SS in the country
@@hustleoutthebox could’ve been their everyday SS but it’s amazing how one decision can change things. De La Cruz at SS is so exciting to watch there now.
How was he taken so late out of high school in the draft? Weird
because of his strong commitment to Louisville.
Probably shoulda taken that 34th round money, instead of hanging around college for 3 years. It would have sped up his pro development.
no way bro lol he got millions when he was drafted by the Rays but then again this is always just a crapshoot
His downfall can be directly attributed to the universe getting back at him for that horrible dyed hairdo his senior year in college.
you're weird dude.
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I still really believe had teams let Zack Greinke be a 2 way he would've succeeded. I really believe he would've been a 240 250 hitter and have a 800> ops
800😳 that’s insane he was a decent hitter as a pitcher
@@hustleoutthebox Bro he's extremely good at hitting and really has pop in his bat. I really don't know why they didn't let him develop as a hitter
definitely not lol, he has a career .598 ops during the NL era. It's not like ohtani has 10x the time to practice hitting, I'm sure greinke was getting his reps in the cage during that time and .598 was what came out of that.
He should come back to the mlb this season. Hopefully he can find his groove as a pitcher, cause his days as a hitter are over
i agree I also feel this is his last chance to prove himself
@hustleoutthebox yeah, for being 27, and stuck in the minors, his future is bleak. But if he proves himself in a bullpen or starting role, he should be able to have a solid career
Ohtani is left handed 😅
throws righty dummy
ohtani hits lefty he doesnt throw lefty hard to call someone left handed when they throw with their right hand
2-Way players are cool but are way way way more injury prone.
When Brendan became famous for his two-way play in university, he didn't even know Shohei's name who had then a certain success in Nippon Ham.
Is it impossible for yanks to play an active and great role with the two-way like Shohei?
i’m confused by your statement and question?
@@hustleoutthebox my statement? did I make any statement?
@@hustleoutthebox I think by 'yanks' he means americans
is it impossible for you to not be a moron?
@@luismiguelmayo you did in the initial paragraph. do you not know what you are writing? lmfao