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Everywhere else in scripture, a lamb or sheep always represents Jesus or the redeemed. In Leviticus on the antitypical day of atonement, we see two goats, goats always represent sin, and lots in Hebrew is translated as destiny or fate. If one is for a sin offering unto the Lord then we know this one was Jesus and the sin that he bore for all mankind at the cross, his destiny or fate was to bear our sins, die, rise again, and be crowned king of kings and Lord of Lords. The second goat was for the scapegoat it too had a destiny or fate, however unlike the sin offering being led away from the temple into the wilderness represents eternal separation from God's presence. Unlike the sin offering this goat also had a name according to the Jews, and its name was Azazel which translates to " goat demon " or " Satan " as we know him. So the evidence is very clear, just who the goats are.
@TheFaithofJesus Leviticus 16 Was satan sinless on the "day" of atonement fulfillment? NO! Both goats together where without blemish representing innocence. Both goats together where presented ALIVE TO GOD. Both goats together MADE ATONMENT. Both goats together on the same day made atonement. Both goats together where A SIN offering representing "A", single SIN offering not plural not separate years. Both goats had the iniquity of the people laid on them. Both goats, together, made ATONEMEMT on the same day. Leviticus 16:10 Adventists FORGET THAT THE SCAPEGOAT MAKES ATONEMENT and IS PRESENTED ALIVE BEFORE THE LORD . Does this refer to satan a demon? Leviticus 16:22 the goat shall bear ALL THE INIQUITIES on itself to a remote area. The Azazel means "entire removal" and the scape goat MAKES ATONEMENT NOT needs atonement. Jesus became Azazel for us as HE became SIN for us. Jesus is the scape goat and the sin offering, together both for us. Not some other demon. Is this accurate? Matthew 8:17 This was to fulfill what was spoken through Isaiah the prophet: “He Himself took our infirmities and CARRIED AWAY our diseases Isaiah 53:4 yet he himself bore our sicknesses and CARRIED AWAY our pains. Is this correct? Sabbath keepers have hated Jesus, had HIM Crucified, killed the apostles, killed Christians, persecute the Church the 9th. Adventists continue that legacy of lies and call themselves right. I love to see Jesus clearly and accurately as the Word of God describes HIM. Praise HIM! Not the SDA religious brand. No modern day Bible scholars agree with Adventists who make the Temple about satan. SDA's distortion of Jesus qualifies as a cult.
It's In The TITLE. The Day of ATONMENT has in the title ATONEMENT which is what the HOLY SPIRIT says the DAY, single DAY, ONE DAY is about ATONEMENT. The HOLY SPIRIT is emphasizing in the TITLE that this ceremony is about ATONEMENT. EVERYTHING in the ceremony is about making ATONEMENT. Isn't that simply wonderful how clear the Holy Spirit makes it for us. That is context and foundational to understanding the ceremony about ATONEMENT. The HOLY SPIRIT doubles down Leviticus 16:10 But the goat on which the lot fell for the scapegoat shall be presented alive before the Lord to MAKE ATONMENT on it. Does the verse say the scapegoat makes atonement? YES or NO? So are you going to "double down" and continue to say "the scapegoat doesn't make atonement" I quote, against the Holy Spirit? The rest of your prideful reasonings are out of context and meaningless to Jesus. The Bible says Jesus became Azazel for us just as HE became the fiery serpent for Israel Numbers 21:8,9 just as HE became SIN for us 2Cor5:21. Jesus is the scape goat and the sin offering, together A Sin offering, both are for us Lev 16:5. Matthew 8:17 This was to fulfill what was spoken through Isaiah the prophet: “He Himself took our infirmities and CARRIED AWAY our diseases Isaiah 53:4 yet he himself bore our sicknesses and CARRIED AWAY our pains. Now you know. Show me scripturally otherwise or get out of that cult to save your soul from SDAs 180 years of blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. You are sincere but brainwashed by SDA proof texting. They are very practiced at it. But the Word is what you now know and need to stand on. There is abundant life outside of the SDA misleading. John 10:10
@@cliffbailey6474 When you say Jesus became Azazeal, you're saying Jesus became Satan. Jesus became sin for us, he didn't become Satan for us. There is a huge difference in the personage of Satan compared to the acts of sin that Satan is responsible for. This is where you make your error. When atonement is made it is made by death, the sin offering ( Jesus ) died but rose again conquering Satan, sin, and death. Satan isn't death, death came by him but he himself isn't death. Just like Jesus didn't become Satan. Both goats were presented spotless before the Lord and Aaron, not because both represented Christ but because until the lot was cast either goat could have been chosen as the sin offering. The sin offering is the first work in the plan of salvation. When we accept the sin offering that was presented in our place ( justification by faith ) i.e. the cross. We accept the finished work of Jesus that reconciled us to the Father completely. To say Jesus is the scapegoat at the end of the service is no better than saying what you accuse SDAs of, that his work wasn't complete. The problem is you don't understand the sanctuary service or its symbolism. Show me you understand symbolically what each part of the service represents and we can continue this debate.
All non-SDA theologians and commentators agree with what Lev. 16 implied- both representing Christ in two aspects, sin offering, and sin bearer. Both are unblemished. Satan cannot fit in here in any way, to imply that is heresy
The satan will be put in inhabited place, the earth will be emptiness for 1000 years we can see that in revelation. So does the Scapegoat is sent to inhabited places after the day of atonement is finished. For this circumstances they are related to each other, as the Scape goat is not for the remission it is just for take away the blame.
The goat doesn't represent Satan. It represents Christ. For Leviticus 1:3 shows that any animal of sacrifice had to be "without blemish." If the goat represented Satan, then Satan would have to be "without blemish." Therefore the goat MUST logically represent Christ, for Christ alone is "without blemish."
@@terrygreenman1540 Everywhere else in scripture, a lamb or sheep always represents Jesus or the redeemed. In Leviticus on the antitypical day of atonement, we see two goats, goats always represent sin, and lots in Hebrew is translated as destiny or fate. If one is for a sin offering unto the Lord then we know this one was Jesus and the sin that he bore for all mankind at the cross, his destiny or fate was to bear our sins, die, rise again, and be crowned king of kings and Lord of Lords. The second goat was for the scapegoat it too had a destiny or fate, however unlike the sin offering being led away from the temple into the wilderness represents eternal separation from God's presence. Unlike the sin offering this goat also had a name according to the Jews, and its name was Azazel which translates to " goat demon " or " Satan " as we know him. So the evidence is very clear, just who the goats are.
One cannot leave out the FADVENTISTS Frequently switch from one health (hell?) food -- such as Phony Baloney or Mock Turkey -- to another. Have switched allegiance from Morrie Venden (the SDA "Martin Luther") to Doug Batchelor (of "Amazing Fiction!" fame). Carry the NIV instead of the KJV. Attend celebration church where they engage in Psalm 150:4 dancing . . . .
AGAIN, THANK YOU MYLES FOR SHARING THE BOOK. IN YOUR EFFORT TO DISCREDIT TRUTH YOU ACTUALLY REVEAL THE BOOK TO MANY OF YOUR AUDIENCE! THEY THEMSELVES WILL STUDY AND READ FOR THEMSELVES. MANY WILL SEE THE REAL TRUTH THAT IS EXPLAINED IN THERE. . . . AND YOUR ERRORS EXPOSED!!!!
There ae some serious eisegesis regarding Moses and Joshua. Numbers 20:11 Moses struck the Rock. Numbers 20:12 And the LORD spake unto Moses and Aaron, Because ye believed me not, to sanctify me in the eyes of the children of Israel, therefore ye shall not bring this congregation into the land which I have given them.(KJV) Because Moses struck the rock, he could not enter into the Promise land.
Myles and Anthony's interpretation and misunderstandings regarding the scapegoat is the blunder LOL Both of these guys don't want to understand that the 7th Day Sabbath is a 24 hr period, just like the other 6 days but since the 7th Day did not mention "evening and the morning', Anthony then claims it is "open" or leads to something "new" teaching. His own made up doctrine then results in their conclusion that the 7th Day Sabbath need not be kept on Saturday as instructed in the 4th commandment of the 10. Man!!! If you don't wanna understand God's simple straight forward commands (Ten Commandments) how in the world are you gonna understand the Sanctuary doctrine as simply described in scripture!?? Is this like the delusion spoken of in 2 Thessalonians 2:11??? "And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:"
@@Ohb777 bizarre conclusion to arrive at. Obviously that wasn’t said nor does that logically follow. Jesus both bore the sins and pays the penalty for them at Calvary. That’s what the picture was painting with two goats. Your guys’ position faulters on any levels, but namely, the sins were never placed on the Lords goat. Only the scapegoat. Adventists assume they were and then transferred to the scapegoat, but they weren’t. Which means you guys can’t have Jesus bearing sins at all because he’s only the Lord’s goat. Isaiah 53 has both the penalty being paid AND the sins placed on the Lords Suffering Servant. Both functions of both goats ascribed to the single figure.
@@answeringadventism No… one of the goat was for the Lord and the other for scapegoat (Leviticus 16:8). It’s written that a lot will fall on the Lord’s goat who will be presented as a sin offering, and another lot will fall on the scapegoat. When the Lord’s goat is slain the house of Israel is reconciled to God, and after that the sins are placed on the scapegoat.
Never understood the scapegoat thing in the Christian context. It is finished, said Christ. Personally i think you can't add much to what happened at Calvary. Seems like nonsense to me
@TheFaithofJesus-bk4wl 24 minutes ago @cliffbailey6474 When you say Jesus became Azazeal, you're saying Jesus became Satan. Jesus became sin for us, he didn't become Satan for us. There is a huge difference in the personage of Satan compared to the acts of sin that Satan is responsible for. This is where you make your error. When atonement is made it is made by death, the sin offering ( Jesus ) died but rose again conquering Satan, sin, and death. Satan isn't death, death came by him but he himself isn't death. Just like Jesus didn't become Satan. Both goats were presented spotless before the Lord and Aaron, not because both represented Christ but because until the lot was cast either goat could have been chosen as the sin offering. The sin offering is the first work in the plan of salvation. When we accept the sin offering that was presented in our place ( justification by faith ) i.e. the cross. We accept the finished work of Jesus that reconciled us to the Father completely. To say Jesus is the scapegoat at the end of the service is no better than saying what you accuse SDAs of, that his work wasn't complete. The problem is you don't understand the sanctuary service or its symbolism. Show me you understand symbolically what each part of the service represents and we can continue this debate. Reply @cliffbailey6474 0 seconds ago @TheFaithofJesus-bk4wl No I'm not, you are. You are out of context symbolically. The is no debate, it is what the scriptures say that matter not your religious brand. Jesus is the scape goat and the sin offering, together A Sin offering, A, single, one Sin offering. both are for us Lev 16:5. I'm just showing you the verses that Adventism's brainwashing will NOT. You are out of context symbolically and forcing satan to be azazel when I see no, no, no verses in Leviticus 16. I kindly ask for the verses? Leviticus 23:26 Again the LORD said to Moses, 27“The tenth day of this seventh month is the Day of Atonement. It's In The TITLE. The Day of ATONMENT has in the title ATONEMENT which is what the HOLY SPIRIT says the DAY, single DAY, ONE DAY is about ATONEMENT. The HOLY SPIRIT is emphasizing in the TITLE that this ceremony is about ATONEMENT. EVERYTHING in the ceremony is about making ATONEMENT. Isn't that simply wonderful how clear the Holy Spirit makes it for us. That is context and foundational to understanding the ceremony about ATONEMENT. The HOLY SPIRIT doubles down Leviticus 16:10 But the goat on which the lot fell for the scapegoat shall be presented alive before the Lord to MAKE ATONMENT on it. Does the verse say the scapegoat makes atonement? YES or NO? If you are of the TRUTH you will answer this. The rest of your prideful reasonings are out of context and meaningless to Jesus. The Bible says Jesus became Azazel for us just as HE became the fiery serpent for Israel Numbers 21:8,9 just as HE became SIN for us 2Cor5:21. Jesus is the scape goat and the sin offering, together A Sin offering, both are for us Lev 16:5. Matthew 8:17 This was to fulfill what was spoken through Isaiah the prophet: “He Himself took our infirmities and CARRIED AWAY our diseases Isaiah 53:4 yet he himself bore our sicknesses and CARRIED AWAY our pains. Now you know. Show me scripturally otherwise or get out of that cult to save your soul from SDAs 180 years of blasphemy against the Holy Spirit.
Leviticus 16 Was satan sinless on the "day" of atonement fulfillment? NO! Both goats together where without blemish representing innocence. Both goats together where presented ALIVE TO GOD. Both goats together MADE ATONMENT. Both goats together on the same day made atonement. Both goats together where A SIN offering representing "A", single SIN offering not plural not separate years. Both goats had the iniquity of the people laid on them. Both goats, together, made ATONEMEMT on the same day. Leviticus 16:10 Adventists FORGET THAT THE SCAPEGOAT MAKES ATONEMENT and IS PRESENTED ALIVE BEFORE THE LORD . Does this refer to satan a demon? Leviticus 16:22 the goat shall bear ALL THE INIQUITIES on itself to a remote area. The Azazel means "entire removal" and the scape goat MAKES ATONEMENT NOT needs atonement. Jesus became Azazel for us as HE became SIN for us. Jesus is the scape goat and the sin offering, together both for us. Not some other demon. Is this accurate? Matthew 8:17 This was to fulfill what was spoken through Isaiah the prophet: “He Himself took our infirmities and CARRIED AWAY our diseases Isaiah 53:4 yet he himself bore our sicknesses and CARRIED AWAY our pains. Is this correct? Sabbath keepers have hated Jesus, had HIM Crucified, killed the apostles, killed Christians, persecuted the Church the 9th. Adventists continue that legacy of lies and say they are doing a holy service to God. John 16:2 I love to see Jesus clearly and accurately as the Word of God describes HIM. Praise HIM! Not the SDA religious brand. There is abundant life outside of the SDA religious brand. No modern day Bible scholars agree with Adventists who make the Temple about satan. SDA's distortion of Jesus qualifies as a cult.
Ther's a little ambiguity with both interpretations. There were two goats - one is the LORD's goat & the other is the scapegoat. If you compare the scapegoat to Jesus, it doesn't make sense. Here's a brief comparison. SCAPEGOAT: - was never called an offering - Lev 16:10 - was never brought into the temple - Lev 16:7,20,21, Luke 10:18 - never sheds blood. Lev 16:10,20,21 - was kept alive and sent into the wilderness. JESUS: - was an offering - Isa 53:10 - was brought into the tabernacle - Heb 9:11,12 - Shed His blood - Luke 22:20 LORD's GOAT: - offered as a sin offering - Lev 16:9 - blood shed - Lev 16 Jesus bore the full brunt of sin for us and because of His grace and we are no longer under the condemnation of sin. That said, Satan will not be saved from his sins and will continue to carry the guilt of his sins until his final defeat - into the wilderness - into the bottomless pit spoken of in Revelation 9.
5 - 14 - 24 LDS : The father of LIES the Devil is the Spirit brother of Jesus Christ SAME AS......... SDA : The father of LIES the Devil is the SDA HERO SCAPEGOAT of Adventism
5 - 14 - 24 The Bible tells us to pray without ceasing ADIALEIPTOS in GREEK does NOT exclude SUNDAY'S, praying and worshipping are interchangeable 1st Thessalonians 5 : 16 - 18 Are you going to suggest that ALL Seventh day Adventists should NOT WORSHIP on SUNDAY'S or SEVEN days out of the WEEK ? SIMPLE Yes....or......no
5 - 14 - 24 Going to an SDA church on Saturday's doesn't mean by default you are NOW all of a sudden PART of the ONLY ONE TRUE REMNANT religion denomination church which KEEPS and OBEYS ALL the LAW of ALL the Commandments of God What about the other NINE Commandments ?
@@porfiriojohn5276 so you pray all day and night and never work. Your logic is mind blowing. Sabbath was the only day in the bible we are told to remember. It was sanctified at creation. We are instructed to work six days and rest on the sabbath, but you're saying we should pray and worship every day.
@@porfiriojohn5276 I agree, but do you get to select which commandments you keep? Remember all apostles and Jesus were Jews and it was their custom to keep sabbath. It's so clear in the NT, but you defend Sunday sacredness and that's your choice.
Scapegoat=satan is not an SDA doctrine, it was a universal doctrine from even before Protestantism that goes as far back as Origen - to - Luther (there may be other references that go back earlier). Only the sacrificial goat was called "...the one for the Lord".
@@gregcox6165 no it isn’t. So now you guys are just making stuff up. Lol. Anthony and I are both classical Protestants. And when Adventists try and appeal to the likes of Origen, for example, it just shows they don’t even understand the appeal is superficial because Origen held to the ransom theory of atonement, not the investigative judgment and sanctuary model. So appealing to others is useless because no one else in history that said the scapegoat pictured Satan believed Satan was a part of carrying a persons sins away.
@@answeringadventism yes it is; "The first goat I considered to be the great type of Jesus Christ the atonement: such I do not consider the scapegoat to be. The first is a type of the means whereby the atonement was made, and we shall keep to that first." and "This scapegoat was not designed to show us the victim or the sacrifice, but simply what became of the sins." Charles Spurgeon
@@answeringadventism "With Origen (third century) the scapegoat reverts unambiguously to its demonic identity. “The goat which in the book of Leviticus is sent away (into the wilderness),” Origen says, “and which in the Hebrew language is named Azazel was none other than this [the Devil]”
@@answeringadventism Thomas Aquinas (1224-1274): “That the immolated goat “is slain, as a lamb, for the sins of those who are forgiven,” for the Lords portion is always slain” While the goat “loosed and sent out into the wilderness of hell with the sins of the people” is “the devil’s part…”” (Ibid., p. 27).
@@answeringadventism "During the late Second Temple period (after the closure of the Hebrew Bible canon), Azazel came to be viewed as a fallen angel responsible for introducing humans to forbidden knowledge, as described in the Book of Enoch. His role as a fallen angel partly remains in Christian and Islamic traditions." Wiki
Why would you have a doctrine that devil worshipers teach? You are admitting teaching what devil worshipers teach. I'm going to tell Pres. Neal on you that you are quoting devil worshipers instead of Ellen.
Leviticus 16:5 in essence is saying the same thing that Leviticus 3:1 says, both goats had to be for a sin offering without blemish because until the lot was cast either goat could have been the sin offering unto the Lord. This is where your theology is lacking against the claim of SDA doctrine. I'm shocked at you guy's for not having the critical thinking you claim to have considering Myles has a sign that says context is king lol.
5 - 26 - 24 LDS : The father of LIES the Devil is the Spirit brother of Jesus Christ SAME AS......... SDA : The father of LIES the Devil is the SDA HERO SCAPEGOAT of Adventism
@TheFaith Leviticus 16 Was satan sinless on the "day" of atonement fulfillment? NO! Both goats together where without blemish representing innocence. Both goats together where presented ALIVE TO GOD. Both goats together MADE ATONMENT. Both goats together on the same day made atonement. Both goats together where A SIN offering representing "A", single SIN offering not plural not separate years. Both goats had the iniquity of the people laid on them. Both goats, together, made ATONEMEMT on the same day. Leviticus 16:10 Adventists FORGET THAT THE SCAPEGOAT MAKES ATONEMENT and IS PRESENTED ALIVE BEFORE THE LORD . Does this refer to satan a demon? Leviticus 16:22 the goat shall bear ALL THE INIQUITIES on itself to a remote area. The Azazel means "entire removal" and the scape goat MAKES ATONEMENT NOT needs atonement. Jesus became Azazel for us as HE became SIN for us. Jesus is the scape goat and the sin offering, together both for us. Not some other demon. Is this accurate? Matthew 8:17 This was to fulfill what was spoken through Isaiah the prophet: “He Himself took our infirmities and CARRIED AWAY our diseases Isaiah 53:4 yet he himself bore our sicknesses and CARRIED AWAY our pains. Is this correct? Sabbath keepers have hated Jesus, had HIM Crucified, killed the apostles, killed Christians, persecuted the Church the 9th. Adventists continue that legacy of lies and say they are doing a holy service to God. John 16:2 I love to see Jesus clearly and accurately as the Word of God describes HIM. Praise HIM! Not the SDA religious brand. There is abundant life outside of the SDA religious brand. No modern day Bible scholars agree with Adventists who make the Temple about satan. SDA's distortion of Jesus qualifies as a cult.
@cliffbailey6474 Incprrect, both goats were brought before the Lord without blemish because before the lot was cast, either goat could have been the sin offering. The scapegoat can't be Christ, everyone accuses SDAs of not believing in the full atonement at the cross, however if you say that the sin offering didn't complete the atonement then you're doing the same thing you accuse them for. The scapegoat doesn't pay for sin in the same way Christ did. Christ paid the sin debt in our place. The scapegoat pays for the existence of sin and the responsibility of starting it.
Hi there - Always check our website. You can use the search function at the top of the page. answeringadventism.com/were-the-sins-of-believers-cancelled-at-the-cross/ The specific quote is: "The blood of Christ, while it was to release the repentant sinner from the condemnation of the law, was not to cancel the sin; it would stand on record in the sanctuary until the final atonement; so in the type the blood of the sin offering removed the sin from the penitent, but it rested in the sanctuary until the Day of Atonement."-Patriarchs and Prophets, pg. 357
I don't remember the page number but she did say something to the effect of "The blood of Christ on the cross was not to cancel the sin but would stay in the sanctuary until the final atonement". Uriah Smith also said something to this effect but he flat out said "Jesus did not make atonement when he shed his blood upon the cross" he also said that Jesus sacrifice on the cross and the atonement are not the same. Just so you know this was the original form of the Investigative Judgement.
3:09 " how does God illustrate the death of Christ for our sins and" herein is why you can not comprehend . You like the understanding of Paul contained in his writings are under the impression that the offering of the bullock and the goat on the day of atonement was for propiation of our Fathers justice. AND in doing so the scapegoat ceremony seems impossible to associate with end time events. The bullock and the goat in the ritual represent that the Son of God died to His before being conceived in Mary life. It has nothing to do with propiation. Atonement is all about presenting to man the knowledge he needs to enter into relationship with God our Father .To that purpose The Son of God died the life He had when He came forth from His Fathers bosom to present His Fathers will to created free moral agents . By dying to that life and being conceived in Mary, the Son of God was able to prove that a human can live the life our Father had intended. " preach the acceptable year of the Lord" .....year after year after year for forever the seasons repeat, but what is the focus meant by pointing to a particular year as an acceptable year of the Lord. All of creation exists in our Father's self existence .Because we have no other way of existing and because the Creator has a Father child relationship with each we have no choice but to ask that Creator to teach us to have agape love to all. " The acceptable year" ìs the Creator saying that He will shield those who exist in Him from His hatred of disdain, but all the while He will be working to bring forth a people worthy of life in His self existence .
I'm so glad I left religion behind a few years ago, I'm now retired and since I've read and watched a lot of material on religion , it's all a fairy story. But unfortunately it's a story that has done so much damage to people over the centuries.
@kingdomfor1 Wonderful that you left dead religion. You missed it because you never heard the Gospel, or received the Grace of God. You missed Jesus Christ is your hearts problem. What don't you like about Jesus? Read the Gospels to Meet Jesus and it will transform your life as it did mine. I was an Adventist following their dead religious brand. But I read the Bible for myself and found the treasure of life Jesus. Acts 2:38, Romans 10:9,10,13. Resist the flesh's resistance to God and take the leap of faith to eternal life, a relationship with the eternal God Jesus. Nothing better than knowing Jesus.
Mr Rogers, what does time have to do with type and antitype? Paul wrote that the ceremonial sacrificial system which was in force for centuries was a type of Christ. They were the shadow or type and Jesus was the fulfilled substance. Colossians 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: 17 Which are a SHADOW of things to come; but the body is of Christ. Adventist are trying to make things fit Christ? Brother you have no idea what you're saying. Who says Israel couldn't enter the promised land unless Moses dies? This is outright heresy. On the contrary, Moses really wanted to lead them into the promised land but his disobedience in hitting the rock prevented him. No wonder Jews and this apostate host have to present this error to the public which is very unfortunate. The one goat which was "for Jehovah" was offered as a sin-offering, by which atonement was made. But the sins must also be visibly banished, and therefore they were symbolically laid by confession on the other goat, which was then "sent away for Azazel" into the wilderness. By a simple method of elimination one can see it clearly. Leviticus 16:7 says And he shall take the two goats, and present them before the LORD at the DOOR of the tabernacle of the congregation. 8 And Aaron shall cast lots upon the two goats; ONE LOT FOR THE LORD, and the other lot for the scapegoat. 9 And Aaron shall bring the goat upon which the LORD'S lot fell, and offer him for a sin offering. If one lot fell on the Lord's goat what would the other goat represent? One does not need to be a theologian or scientist to figure that out. But when people want to complicate that which God has made simple, you get videos like these.
No, but it was never popularized. It's only been a handful of folks. They didn't understand it to be so integral to the system as it is in SDA theology, though. The Sanctuary system/model proposed by the SDA Church takes it to a different level.
@@answeringadventism Gotcha. So it’s not that it’s unique, but that the SDA interpretation takes it a step further. Are you familiar with the writings of Abraham ibn Ezra?
Revelation 20 has zero connection to Leviticus 16. This is one of the biggest stretches the SDA church makes to try and port their entire system of theology into the single book of Revelation. It’s sad.
JESUS CHRIST IS THE MEDIATOR / HUSBAND OF THE COVENANT BETWEEN THE FATHER AND THE CHILDREN OF ISRAEL . QUESTION ! WHAT IS THE ROLE OF THE MEDIATOR/HUSBAND ? HE IS THE INTERCESSOR FOF THE CHILDREN OF ISRAEL , IN THE COVENANT WITH THE FATHER . WHAT COMES THROUGH THE MEDIATOR ? 1. MEDIATOR , THE HUSBAND/PROTECTOR/COVERING FOR THE PEOPLE IN THE COVENANT WITH THE FATHER . 2. THE TESTATOR , THE BLOOD OR THE SIN SACRIFICE FOR THE PEOPLE . 3. THE LAWGIVER OF THE COVENANT . 4. THE PRIESTHOOD 5. THE HIGH PRIEST . IS SATAN THE MEDIATOR , TESTATOR , LAWGIVER , PRIESTHOOD , HIGH PRIEST OF THE COVENANT . DID THIS HAPPEN IN 1844 , OR THE DAY AFTER THE FIRSTFRUITS IS GATHERED , OR HARVESTED , AND OFFERED TO THE FATHER FOR US? LEVITICUS 23:10-11 , " 10.Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, When ye be come into the land which I give unto you, and shall reap the harvest thereof, then ye shall bring a sheaf of the firstfruits of your harvest unto the priest: 11And he shall wave the sheaf before the LORD, to be accepted for you: on the morrow after the sabbath the priest shall wave it. DID SATAN PRESENT HIMSELF TO THE FATHER FOR OUR SINS , OR WAS IT JESUS CHRIST ? JOHN 20:15-17 , " Jesus saith unto her, Woman, why weepest thou? whom seekest thou? She, supposing him to be the gardener, saith unto him, Sir, if thou have borne him hence, tell me where thou hast laid him, and I will take him away. 16Jesus saith unto her, Mary. She turned herself, and saith unto him, Rabboni; which is to say, Master. 17Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God. WHO IS THE FIRSTFRUITS FROM THE DEATH ( FIRSTFRUITS HARVESTED TO THE FATHER ) . 1 CORINTHIANS 15:20 , " 20.But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept. THE FIRSTFRUITS MUST BE HARVESTED ( RESURRECTED ) , THEN THE SHEAF OF THE FIRSTFRUITS ( CHRIST ) MUST BE GIVEN TO THE PRIEST ( CHRIST ) , TO BE WAVE BEFORE THE LORD ( FATHER ) , TO BE ACCEPTED FOR YOU ( PEOPLE SINS ) , ON THE MORROW AFTER THE SABBATH ( WHICH MEANS THAT JESUS CHRIST COULD NOT HAVE BEEN RESURRECTED ON THE DAY AFTER THE SABBATH , BUT AT THE END OF THE SABBATH ; BECAUSE A SABBATH MUST PAST BEFORE HE CAN PRESENT HIMSELF BEFORE THE FATHER ; WHICH IS THE EIGHTH DAY ( THE FATHER'S KINGDOM ) . DID JESUS WAIT UNTIL 1844 , TO START CLEANSING THE HEAVENLY SANCTUARY , WHICH IS WITHOUT SIN ? HEBREWS 5:9-10 , " 9.And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him; 10Called of God an high priest after the order of Melchisedec. HEBREWS 9:11-12,24 , " 11.But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building; 12Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us. 24.For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us: REMEMBER WHAT JESUS SAID ? JOHN 6:39-40,44,54 , " 39.And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day. 40And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day. 44.No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day. 54.Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day. WHEN IS THE LAST DAY ? HEBREWS 4:1-11 , " 1.Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it. 2For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it. 3For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world. 4For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works. 5And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest. 6Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief: 7Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts. 8For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day. 9There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God. 10For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his. 11Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief. THE LAST DAY IS THE SEVENTH DAY , OR SEVEN THOUSAND YEAR OF MAN . THE EIGHTH DAY BEGINS THE FATHER'S KINGDOM ; WHICH IS FOREVER . SHALOM !
@answeringadventism Every feast is fulfilled in scriptures. Check the greek revelation 20:1-4 is clearly a depiction of the scapegoat ceremony NB . 1) it takes place immediately after the High Priests leaves the Most Holy place of the sanctuary. Depicting Christ leaving heaven's Most Holy Place and come to earth (court] ) .2) scapegoat is tied and bounded and taken away from the people to a place void and uninhabited /wilderness( greek word abussos in Rev20 is translated as bottomless pit. . But really means a place without form and void / uninhabited. GEN 1:1 3) scapegoat is Bounded by 'STRONG MAN'. (satan is also bounded by a mighty Angel. So is sins separated from Israel/separated forever from the true saints
@@answeringadventism It does , know this that God is the God of order. What he had taught to do in tabernacle he is fulfilling and He will fulfill. Satan is going to be put in inhabited place ( emptiness) for 1000 yrs Rev 20 says. Scapegoat was send to inhabited places Lev 16 said. Satan bear his Shame... Scapegoat bear the blame.. that is the shame. Yes, indeed from the saints remission had taken place already.
@@christopherbarnes2510 you guys just regurgitate the script over and over and over again. We know the script. We are former SDAs. But that doesn’t stop you guys from just repeating it ad nauseum. Your comment just begs the question. You simply assume your entire SDA framework to claim the connection is there. Jesus isn’t doing what you guys claim currently. Not even close. Revelation 20 has nothing to do with Leviticus 16. Notice you can’t actually deal with what is presented in the video, you have to just parrot back to us the script we already know. Seriously. It never ceases to amaze me how SDAs just repeat back to former SDAs everything we already know. WE WERE ADVENTISTS. We know the claims. We know the position, Christopher. You guys need to learn to actually engage with what people say and not just regurgitate what the SDA church has told you. There are holes in your theory. Address those. Don’t just continue to assert repeatedly the script. Your guys entire theory of the book of Revelation makes the entire book irrelevant to those John was writing to. You have anachronistically read your system back into the Bible by means of using the Great Controversy Theme. Nothing in Revelation 20 says what you guys are asserting. ““Then I saw an angel coming down from heaven, holding in his hand the key to the bottomless pit and a great chain. And he seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years, and threw him into the pit, and shut it and sealed it over him, so that he might not deceive the nations any longer, until the thousand years were ended. After that he must be released for a little while.”-Revelation 20:1-3 That’s supposed to support your guys wild theory and connect revelation 20 to Leviticus 16. You guys don’t even use basic hermeneutic principles. A horrendous handling of the sacred text. So an angel is the fit person that takes the scapegoat out and throws it off the mountain? You guys seek to prove too much and don’t even see all of the issues. You just ignore them as if they aren’t there because you think you’ve found some perfect parallel. The scapegoat died when thrown off the mountain. Which, scripture doesnt say it was thrown off a mountain. Extra biblical folklore and Jewish commentary does. So you guys are equating the pit with being thrown off the mountain. Yet Satan doesn’t die when this is done. Your type breaks down right there. On that alone. That doesn’t include all the other flaws such as the scapegoat having to be blemish free. Revelation 20 doesn’t have anything to do with the day of atonement. If it wasn’t so sad, it might be funny. I feel bad for you guys. Genuinely.
So y'all are arguing that "for or to Azazel" doesnt work as a type of satan because it's not saying that the goat is satan himself, but rather is just sent "to" or "for" satan? If that's the case your argument is self refulting for the possibility of even the first goat representing Christ because the text does thes same thing in reference to Yehova, saying "to" or "for" Yehova. I could be wrong when it comes to what the Hebrew is saying. If thats the logic then the text would have to say that the 1st goat "is Yehova", not "to or for yehova". You have argued in your videos many time Myles that Christ is Yehova, which i agree with. So why the dual mindedness when it comes to this issue? I could possibly see you arguing that Christ was a sacrifice for the Father's wrath or whatever, but then you would do what you accuse adventists of doing in seperating the trininity in their oneness. Making the Father out as someone that is hard on sin and Jesus the whipping boy that stands in the gap. Im not sure i entirely understand your view on the father and son sacrificial dynamic.
That’s not what we believe at all or what the claim was. I’m not sure how that’s what you got from this as plenty of others got what was being said just fine. This also had nothing to do with Trinitarian theology so I’m not sure why that is relevant to this. It’s you guys that claim Azazel is a person-Satan. Not us. You guys have to deal with the “to/for” issue. That isn’t a problem for us. Which is why this was a critique of the SDA problem. The goats represent functions that Jesus fulfilled. We aren’t the ones seeking to prove too much like the SDA position does which results in problems.
@@answeringadventism Are you going to answer the question dude? That is so dishonest man its frightening that you have thousands of people watching you eating up your contradictions. That was one of the arguments both of you made for the scapegoat being a representation of satan as an impossibility. At 10:40 Rogers says "it says to or for and so it's not a symbol of satan" in which you chuckled in agreement at 10:55. You then go on to reiterate that argument in saying that you "pointed out in that debate the error" of the goat being azazel, athough it's sent "to or for" azazel. You then turn around and say that both goats are representations of Christ. You can't have it both ways dude. Both goats are mentioned as going "to" or "for" something. So how do you justify one or both being a representation of Christ, when you say one can't be a representation of satan because of the verbage that is used in the same way with Yehova? The only reason I brought the trinity into this was because of your own repreated insistences on Jesus being Yehova (which I agree with), and how you are contradicting yourself with this argument against the SDA theological idea of the scapegoat. Your argument against the scapegoat doesn't allow for the typology of the Lord's goat to represent Christ, unless by the way in which I stated concerning the Father. As far as both goats being "one sin offering" as you two state isn't true to the text. "Sin offering" is not just some words that can be thrown around. They have strictly defined vocabulary by God himself as seen in Leviticus 4 and 6. Only the first goat meets the criteria of something that can be defined as a sin offering. It is also the only one of the two goats referred to as a sin offering after the selection process (Lev. 16:9,15,27). Never again is the scapegoat associated with the phrase "sin offering" or the ritual proceedings that could classify it as such. God even paints a distinct and clear contradiction between the two goat's functions in verses 9 and 10. "Aaron shall bring the goat on which the Lord's lot fell and offer IT as a SIN OFFERING. BUT the goat on which the lot fell to the scapegoat shall be presented alive before the Lord, to make atonement upon it, and to let it go as the scapegoat into the wilderness." It is such an easy thing to understand and differentiate. If I am making a soup and ask you to bring me two spoons to stir the soup with, and then I pick which one I want to use to stir the soup with, I'm not stirring the soup with both spoons. I could tell you to put the spoon back, stir something else with, serve with, or throw it in the trash. Even though they are the exact same spoon. I'm not using them both for the same purpose. It's not hard to get.
@@ballenparks1231 Everywhere else in scripture, a lamb or sheep always represents Jesus or the redeemed. In Leviticus on the antitypical day of atonement, we see two goats, goats always represent sin, and lots in Hebrew is translated as destiny or fate. If one is for a sin offering unto the Lord then we know this one was Jesus and the sin that he bore for all mankind at the cross, his destiny or fate was to bear our sins, die, rise again, and be crowned king of kings and Lord of Lords. The second goat was for the scapegoat it too had a destiny or fate, however unlike the sin offering being led away from the temple into the wilderness represents eternal separation from God's presence. Unlike the sin offering this goat also had a name according to the Jews, and its name was Azazel which translates to " goat demon " or " Satan " as we know him. So the evidence is very clear, just who the goats are. Some guy earlier tried to say that Leviticus 3:1 where it talks about a sacrifice having to be spotless and without blemish that because of this the scapegoat had to represent Christ. I told him he had 2 problems with this. 1.) The scapegoat isn't a sacrifice. 2.) Both had to be without blemish until the lots were cast because either goat could have been chosen for the sin offering. The way we SDAs think and the logic and rational that the Holy Spirit gifts us with is so different than these other people, it astounds me how people can't see it. I used to be Baptist, and after a full study, I got it lol.
@TheFaithofJesus-bk4wl amen man. Well written. Thank you for sharing. Sometimes people don't want to see, or they are just not getting the whole picture. Either way grace and kindness is how we respond
Hi Myles & Pastor Rogers: Would you consider that there may not be a fundamental difference between a “Christian” in one denomination who uses the Bible to obliterate other denominations & a member of one “racial” group who uses "science" to annihilate other “races”? Are they not all fueled by the same principle that the “other” should not exist & that one’s group is superior? Where does this craving to be “right” come from?
Hebrews 4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. If God’s Word obliterated a false religion it’s because the religion is false. If the false religion is representing itself as Christian it’s a rare among the wheat and a wolf among the sheep. It’s adherents must be warned to save their souls.
@@JamieElison Stubbornness. Rebellion. Pride. When Jesus returns He is described as returning with a sharp sword that comes out of His mouth. This is God’s Holy Word which will put a final end to all false religions. Why then? Man has 6000 years of rule on planet earth. Jesus takes over right after the 6000th year ends.
Az Azel for the jewish people is not a person. It's a place. A Cliff in the desert as far as my knowledge goes. Satan has no real place in the Torah. Only Christians like adventists give Satan the same power god possess. Jews never question god ALMIGhTY. There is no war taking place. Each human is darkness and Light.
Isn't Satan mentioned in the book of Job? Also, we don't believe Satan is as powerful as God. We believe, he is a fallen angel, who rebelled against God. God let him have his way and did not destroy him, because if he had done that, he would have looked like a tyrant, who silences his critics. By letting him live, God proved that he was in the right, and all the angels saw Satan's real character when he tempted the world into sin and even nailed the creator of the universe to a cross and killed him. Blinded by his wrath, he did not see, that this was exactly God's plan, because by his own blood, he saves us, not by the blood of sheep and goats, which only pointed toward his sacrifice on the cross.
@@TonysRagequit satan with an "S" does not exist in hebrew in the Bible. It's a verb that means "to tease". The Angel Who was created to get you to disobey is a creature from god. Under the power of god. Unless you believe god is not omnipotent. Every human has a choice : obey or disobey, that's satan. Adventists believe in a hollywood super production as Star Wars between god an satan. There are no such character as "Satan" in the original language. As the saying goes "traduttore tradittore"
@@libertecherie6537 The angel who tempts us was created by God, you're right. But it wasn't God's plan for him to tempt us. Of course, God knew, he would do that. But it's not, what he was created for. Satan is a real angel, who rebelled against God. The war between him and God is not fought with guns, tanks and jets, it's fought with words. Satan's plan is to plant doubts about the character of God in the minds of people and to tempt them into leaving God's purpose for them. God's plan is to reveal the truth about himself to us, about his love and justice, which was made evident at the cross. The war between God and Satan is not a physical war; It's a spiritual one. Satan cannot attack God himself, but he can attack what's most valuable to him: His creation. Do you remember, when the Moabites tempted the Israelites to commit fornication with their daughters and serve their idols? This was the strategy of Balaam, so that the Israelites might bring the wrath of God upon themselves. The same strategy is Satan's: He tempts us into sin, and if we give in to his temptation, he rejoices, because we've put ourselves under the wrath of God. And this very same angel, who tempts us to sin the whole time, then goes on to call out to God, "Do you see, what they just did? Punish them, for they have transgressed your law." And out of his hatred for God, he is willing to pile up more and more wrath upon himself for the day of judgement, just to hurt God by hurting his creation and pulling as many of them as he can to damnation with him. There is no more reason in him, only a blind desire for destruction, fueled by his rage.
The problem with this channel is you are causing divisions and rivialies which the bible clearly says "people that do this can't make it to heaven... repent".1 Corinthians 6:9 Sda believe in Jesus Christ. If they want to believe he is a white or black man, or that he cleansed his temple in 1844 it doesn't matter. Faith in Christ is all that matters. Don't put your salvation in jeopardy by these rivialies and divisions in the churcb
Really? You mean like the SDA prophetess that claimed the true Church is apostate, their prayers are an abomination, Jesus is angry with them, they are tools of Satan and are deceived? It's always rich when you guys try and play the victim card. Furthermore... "But I am afraid that as the serpent deceived Eve by his cunning, your thoughts will be led astray from a sincere and pure devotion to Christ. For if someone comes and proclaims another Jesus than the one we proclaimed, or if you receive a different spirit from the one you received, or if you accept a different gospel from the one you accepted, you put up with it readily enough."-2 Corinthians 11:3-4 "I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting him who called you in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel-not that there is another one, but there are some who trouble you and want to distort the gospel of Christ. But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed. As we have said before, so now I say again: If anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to the one you received, let him be accursed."-Galatians 1:6-9 The same Paul you cite had the above to say. The problem is your lack of familiarity with how the apostles felt about people preaching false christs and false gospels. Your issue is with the Bible, not Answering Adventism. By your standard Muslims, Mormons, Jehovah's Witnesses, Bahai, Unity, and every other cult is fine off because they simply use the name "Jesus." We aren't "causing division." You're proof texting the bible and misapplying it. We're WARNING the true Body of Christ. You're simply mad because you don't like that.
I was born and raised SDA. I was even a baptized member that is not what they teach at all. Faith alone is never sufficient in Adventism. From my 16 years in the SDA organization (and leaving it) it's always about preparing yourself for the "Sunday Law" and perfecting our characters. It is a law-based grace. From my time as an SDA you are stuck in a constant state of paranoia which is funny considering this is exactly what I see in modern day Conservative politics.
I hear you. However, do you think that finite beings have the capacity to determine who will get to heaven & who will be debarred entry? Who gave people the authority to judge or interpret the Decree of the Almighty? @@Micki1958
@gregcox6165 5 hours ago @cliffbailey6474 wait, Spurgeon was a devil worshipper as you accuse because he openly taught that the Scapegoat is Satan? Brother, please stop - this is shameful. Reply Cliff Bailey @gregcox6165 You Adventist call sunday worshipers, as Spurgeon is, a devil worshiper as well as a sabbath breaker and sun worshiper. Tell me I'm wrong? Twisting serpent. Why would you have a doctrine that devil worshipers teach? And desperately try to justify yourself using sunday keepers. I'm telling Pres. Neal. All you Adventists that love Jesus, see the wickedness of name calling, false accusing of Ellen and leadership who brainwash you to their "religious brand". You can flee this cult by Faith as I did and enjoy an abundant life Acts 2:38, John 10:10
as far as the east is from the west, so far has he removed our transgressions from us. Psalm 103:12
As an SDA, I enjoy watching the content contained in these videos. It is an excellent learning platform to hear the views of both sides, regardless of whether you agree or disagree. I also like to read the logical comments that are made when searching the Scriptures regarding the topic being discussed. The thing that turns me off the most are the irrelevant comments regarding the subject discussed. A lot of the comments are nothing but regurgitated word salad nonsense. For the sake of those who like to consider the topic being discussed, please take the off beat comments somewhere else, and keep your personal opinions about the host and guests to yourself. I personally don’t care how you feel, but do value the opinions regarding the subject being discussed. To God be the glory!
Everywhere else in scripture, a lamb or sheep always represents Jesus or the redeemed. In Leviticus on the antitypical day of atonement, we see two goats, goats always represent sin, and lots in Hebrew is translated as destiny or fate. If one is for a sin offering unto the Lord then we know this one was Jesus and the sin that he bore for all mankind at the cross, his destiny or fate was to bear our sins, die, rise again, and be crowned king of kings and Lord of Lords.
The second goat was for the scapegoat it too had a destiny or fate, however unlike the sin offering being led away from the temple into the wilderness represents eternal separation from God's presence. Unlike the sin offering this goat also had a name according to the Jews, and its name was Azazel which translates to " goat demon " or " Satan " as we know him. So the evidence is very clear, just who the goats are.
Very well explanation.I always knew that.
But now I could explain it better
@@reyr9571 Glad I could be of service brother.
@TheFaithofJesus Leviticus 16
Was satan sinless on the "day" of atonement fulfillment? NO!
Both goats together where without blemish representing innocence.
Both goats together where presented ALIVE TO GOD.
Both goats together MADE ATONMENT.
Both goats together on the same day made atonement.
Both goats together where A SIN offering representing "A", single SIN offering not plural not separate years.
Both goats had the iniquity of the people laid on them.
Both goats, together, made ATONEMEMT on the same day. Leviticus 16:10 Adventists FORGET THAT THE SCAPEGOAT MAKES ATONEMENT and IS PRESENTED ALIVE BEFORE THE LORD .
Does this refer to satan a demon? Leviticus 16:22 the goat shall bear ALL THE INIQUITIES on itself to a remote area.
The Azazel means "entire removal" and the scape goat MAKES ATONEMENT NOT needs atonement.
Jesus became Azazel for us as HE became SIN for us. Jesus is the scape goat and the sin offering, together both for us. Not some other demon.
Is this accurate?
Matthew 8:17 This was to fulfill what was spoken through Isaiah the prophet: “He Himself took our infirmities and CARRIED AWAY our diseases Isaiah 53:4 yet he himself bore our sicknesses and CARRIED AWAY our pains. Is this correct?
Sabbath keepers have hated Jesus, had HIM Crucified, killed the apostles, killed Christians, persecute the Church the 9th. Adventists continue that legacy of lies and call themselves right.
I love to see Jesus clearly and accurately as the Word of God describes HIM. Praise HIM! Not the SDA religious brand.
No modern day Bible scholars agree with Adventists who make the Temple about satan. SDA's distortion of Jesus qualifies as a cult.
It's In The TITLE. The Day of ATONMENT has in the title ATONEMENT which is what the HOLY SPIRIT says the DAY, single DAY, ONE DAY is about ATONEMENT. The HOLY SPIRIT is emphasizing in the TITLE that this ceremony is about ATONEMENT. EVERYTHING in the ceremony is about making ATONEMENT. Isn't that simply wonderful how clear the Holy Spirit makes it for us. That is context and foundational to understanding the ceremony about ATONEMENT.
The HOLY SPIRIT doubles down Leviticus 16:10 But the goat on which the lot fell for the scapegoat shall be presented alive before the Lord to MAKE ATONMENT on it.
Does the verse say the scapegoat makes atonement? YES or NO?
So are you going to "double down" and continue to say "the scapegoat doesn't make atonement" I quote, against the Holy Spirit?
The rest of your prideful reasonings are out of context and meaningless to Jesus. The Bible says Jesus became Azazel for us just as HE became the fiery serpent for Israel Numbers 21:8,9 just as HE became SIN for us 2Cor5:21. Jesus is the scape goat and the sin offering, together A Sin offering, both are for us Lev 16:5.
Matthew 8:17 This was to fulfill what was spoken through Isaiah the prophet: “He Himself took our infirmities and CARRIED AWAY our diseases Isaiah 53:4 yet he himself bore our sicknesses and CARRIED AWAY our pains.
Now you know. Show me scripturally otherwise or get out of that cult to save your soul from SDAs 180 years of blasphemy against the Holy Spirit.
You are sincere but brainwashed by SDA proof texting. They are very practiced at it. But the Word is what you now know and need to stand on. There is abundant life outside of the SDA misleading. John 10:10
@@cliffbailey6474 When you say Jesus became Azazeal, you're saying Jesus became Satan.
Jesus became sin for us, he didn't become Satan for us. There is a huge difference in the personage of Satan compared to the acts of sin that Satan is responsible for. This is where you make your error.
When atonement is made it is made by death, the sin offering ( Jesus ) died but rose again conquering Satan, sin, and death. Satan isn't death, death came by him but he himself isn't death. Just like Jesus didn't become Satan.
Both goats were presented spotless before the Lord and Aaron, not because both represented Christ but because until the lot was cast either goat could have been chosen as the sin offering.
The sin offering is the first work in the plan of salvation. When we accept the sin offering that was presented in our place ( justification by faith ) i.e. the cross. We accept the finished work of Jesus that reconciled us to the Father completely.
To say Jesus is the scapegoat at the end of the service is no better than saying what you accuse SDAs of, that his work wasn't complete. The problem is you don't understand the sanctuary service or its symbolism.
Show me you understand symbolically what each part of the service represents and we can continue this debate.
All non-SDA theologians and commentators agree with what Lev. 16 implied- both representing Christ in two aspects, sin offering, and sin bearer. Both are unblemished. Satan cannot fit in here in any way, to imply that is heresy
The satan will be put in inhabited place, the earth will be emptiness for 1000 years we can see that in revelation. So does the Scapegoat is sent to inhabited places after the day of atonement is finished.
For this circumstances they are related to each other, as the Scape goat is not for the remission it is just for take away the blame.
The goat doesn't represent Satan. It represents Christ. For Leviticus 1:3 shows that any animal of sacrifice had to be "without blemish."
If the goat represented Satan, then Satan would have to be "without blemish." Therefore the goat MUST logically represent Christ, for Christ alone is "without blemish."
@@rayray4192 Does it take two sin bearers and two deaths to atone for the sins of Adventists???
@@terrygreenman1540 Everywhere else in scripture, a lamb or sheep always represents Jesus or the redeemed. In Leviticus on the antitypical day of atonement, we see two goats, goats always represent sin, and lots in Hebrew is translated as destiny or fate. If one is for a sin offering unto the Lord then we know this one was Jesus and the sin that he bore for all mankind at the cross, his destiny or fate was to bear our sins, die, rise again, and be crowned king of kings and Lord of Lords.
The second goat was for the scapegoat it too had a destiny or fate, however unlike the sin offering being led away from the temple into the wilderness represents eternal separation from God's presence. Unlike the sin offering this goat also had a name according to the Jews, and its name was Azazel which translates to " goat demon " or " Satan " as we know him. So the evidence is very clear, just who the goats are.
@@terrygreenman1540 You are half right, except the scapegoat isn't sacrificed nor is it an offering for sin, it is banished from God's presence.
Seventh day inventist would be more accurate! 🤥
@donreed. "Inventist" Clever 👏👏👏. Love it!
Ha. Never heard of that one 👍🏼
One cannot leave out the FADVENTISTS Frequently switch from one health (hell?) food -- such as Phony Baloney or Mock Turkey -- to another. Have switched allegiance from Morrie Venden (the SDA "Martin Luther") to Doug Batchelor (of "Amazing Fiction!" fame). Carry the NIV instead of the KJV. Attend celebration church where they engage in Psalm 150:4 dancing . . . .
AGAIN, THANK YOU MYLES FOR SHARING THE BOOK. IN YOUR EFFORT TO DISCREDIT TRUTH YOU ACTUALLY REVEAL THE BOOK TO MANY OF YOUR AUDIENCE! THEY THEMSELVES WILL STUDY AND READ FOR THEMSELVES. MANY WILL SEE THE REAL TRUTH THAT IS EXPLAINED IN THERE. . . . AND YOUR ERRORS EXPOSED!!!!
Who is azazel ?
There ae some serious eisegesis regarding Moses and Joshua. Numbers 20:11 Moses struck the Rock. Numbers 20:12 And the LORD spake unto Moses and Aaron, Because ye believed me not, to sanctify me in the eyes of the children of Israel, therefore ye shall not bring this congregation into the land which I have given them.(KJV) Because Moses struck the rock, he could not enter into the Promise land.
Myles and Anthony's interpretation and misunderstandings regarding the scapegoat is the blunder LOL Both of these guys don't want to understand that the 7th Day Sabbath is a 24 hr period, just like the other 6 days but since the 7th Day did not mention "evening and the morning', Anthony then claims it is "open" or leads to something "new" teaching. His own made up doctrine then results in their conclusion that the 7th Day Sabbath need not be kept on Saturday as instructed in the 4th commandment of the 10. Man!!! If you don't wanna understand God's simple straight forward commands (Ten Commandments) how in the world are you gonna understand the Sanctuary doctrine as simply described in scripture!?? Is this like the delusion spoken of in 2 Thessalonians 2:11??? "And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:"
Hello! Praise JAH! Psalm 68:4 KJV and his name alone is the most high Psalm 83:18 KJV
So, Jesus bore the sins of the world twice?
@@Ohb777 bizarre conclusion to arrive at. Obviously that wasn’t said nor does that logically follow. Jesus both bore the sins and pays the penalty for them at Calvary. That’s what the picture was painting with two goats.
Your guys’ position faulters on any levels, but namely, the sins were never placed on the Lords goat. Only the scapegoat. Adventists assume they were and then transferred to the scapegoat, but they weren’t. Which means you guys can’t have Jesus bearing sins at all because he’s only the Lord’s goat.
Isaiah 53 has both the penalty being paid AND the sins placed on the Lords Suffering Servant. Both functions of both goats ascribed to the single figure.
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No… one of the goat was for the Lord and the other for scapegoat (Leviticus 16:8). It’s written that a lot will fall on the Lord’s goat who will be presented as a sin offering, and another lot will fall on the scapegoat. When the Lord’s goat is slain the house of Israel is reconciled to God, and after that the sins are placed on the scapegoat.
Never understood the scapegoat thing in the Christian context. It is finished, said Christ. Personally i think you can't add much to what happened at Calvary. Seems like nonsense to me
Are you guys going to commit and go on record that azazel is Jesus ??v
@TheFaithofJesus-bk4wl
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@cliffbailey6474 When you say Jesus became Azazeal, you're saying Jesus became Satan.
Jesus became sin for us, he didn't become Satan for us. There is a huge difference in the personage of Satan compared to the acts of sin that Satan is responsible for. This is where you make your error.
When atonement is made it is made by death, the sin offering ( Jesus ) died but rose again conquering Satan, sin, and death. Satan isn't death, death came by him but he himself isn't death. Just like Jesus didn't become Satan.
Both goats were presented spotless before the Lord and Aaron, not because both represented Christ but because until the lot was cast either goat could have been chosen as the sin offering.
The sin offering is the first work in the plan of salvation. When we accept the sin offering that was presented in our place ( justification by faith ) i.e. the cross. We accept the finished work of Jesus that reconciled us to the Father completely.
To say Jesus is the scapegoat at the end of the service is no better than saying what you accuse SDAs of, that his work wasn't complete. The problem is you don't understand the sanctuary service or its symbolism.
Show me you understand symbolically what each part of the service represents and we can continue this debate.
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@TheFaithofJesus-bk4wl No I'm not, you are. You are out of context symbolically. The is no debate, it is what the scriptures say that matter not your religious brand.
Jesus is the scape goat and the sin offering, together A Sin offering, A, single, one Sin offering. both are for us Lev 16:5. I'm just showing you the verses that Adventism's brainwashing will NOT.
You are out of context symbolically and forcing satan to be azazel when I see no, no, no verses in Leviticus 16.
I kindly ask for the verses?
Leviticus 23:26 Again the LORD said to Moses, 27“The tenth day of this seventh month is the Day of Atonement.
It's In The TITLE. The Day of ATONMENT has in the title ATONEMENT which is what the HOLY SPIRIT says the DAY, single DAY, ONE DAY is about ATONEMENT. The HOLY SPIRIT is emphasizing in the TITLE that this ceremony is about ATONEMENT. EVERYTHING in the ceremony is about making ATONEMENT. Isn't that simply wonderful how clear the Holy Spirit makes it for us. That is context and foundational to understanding the ceremony about ATONEMENT.
The HOLY SPIRIT doubles down Leviticus 16:10 But the goat on which the lot fell for the scapegoat shall be presented alive before the Lord to MAKE ATONMENT on it.
Does the verse say the scapegoat makes atonement? YES or NO? If you are of the TRUTH you will answer this.
The rest of your prideful reasonings are out of context and meaningless to Jesus. The Bible says Jesus became Azazel for us just as HE became the fiery serpent for Israel Numbers 21:8,9 just as HE became SIN for us 2Cor5:21. Jesus is the scape goat and the sin offering, together A Sin offering, both are for us Lev 16:5.
Matthew 8:17 This was to fulfill what was spoken through Isaiah the prophet: “He Himself took our infirmities and CARRIED AWAY our diseases Isaiah 53:4 yet he himself bore our sicknesses and CARRIED AWAY our pains.
Now you know. Show me scripturally otherwise or get out of that cult to save your soul from SDAs 180 years of blasphemy against the Holy Spirit.
Wouldn't the bloodless death of the second goat foresee the bloodless sacrifice that Jesus presents to us through the Eucharist?
Leviticus 16
Was satan sinless on the "day" of atonement fulfillment? NO!
Both goats together where without blemish representing innocence.
Both goats together where presented ALIVE TO GOD.
Both goats together MADE ATONMENT.
Both goats together on the same day made atonement.
Both goats together where A SIN offering representing "A", single SIN offering not plural not separate years.
Both goats had the iniquity of the people laid on them.
Both goats, together, made ATONEMEMT on the same day. Leviticus 16:10 Adventists FORGET THAT THE SCAPEGOAT MAKES ATONEMENT and IS PRESENTED ALIVE BEFORE THE LORD .
Does this refer to satan a demon? Leviticus 16:22 the goat shall bear ALL THE INIQUITIES on itself to a remote area.
The Azazel means "entire removal" and the scape goat MAKES ATONEMENT NOT needs atonement.
Jesus became Azazel for us as HE became SIN for us. Jesus is the scape goat and the sin offering, together both for us. Not some other demon.
Is this accurate?
Matthew 8:17 This was to fulfill what was spoken through Isaiah the prophet: “He Himself took our infirmities and CARRIED AWAY our diseases Isaiah 53:4 yet he himself bore our sicknesses and CARRIED AWAY our pains. Is this correct?
Sabbath keepers have hated Jesus, had HIM Crucified, killed the apostles, killed Christians, persecuted the Church the 9th. Adventists continue that legacy of lies and say they are doing a holy service to God. John 16:2
I love to see Jesus clearly and accurately as the Word of God describes HIM. Praise HIM! Not the SDA religious brand. There is abundant life outside of the SDA religious brand.
No modern day Bible scholars agree with Adventists who make the Temple about satan. SDA's distortion of Jesus qualifies as a cult.
You should research what azezel truly represents before you say Jesus is azezal
Ther's a little ambiguity with both interpretations. There were two goats - one is the LORD's goat & the other is the scapegoat. If you compare the scapegoat to Jesus, it doesn't make sense. Here's a brief comparison.
SCAPEGOAT:
- was never called an offering - Lev 16:10
- was never brought into the temple - Lev 16:7,20,21, Luke 10:18
- never sheds blood. Lev 16:10,20,21
- was kept alive and sent into the wilderness.
JESUS:
- was an offering - Isa 53:10
- was brought into the tabernacle - Heb 9:11,12
- Shed His blood - Luke 22:20
LORD's GOAT:
- offered as a sin offering - Lev 16:9
- blood shed - Lev 16
Jesus bore the full brunt of sin for us and because of His grace and we are no longer under the condemnation of sin. That said, Satan will not be saved from his sins and will continue to carry the guilt of his sins until his final defeat - into the wilderness - into the bottomless pit spoken of in Revelation 9.
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LDS : The father of LIES the Devil is the Spirit brother of Jesus Christ
SAME AS.........
SDA : The father of LIES the Devil is the SDA HERO SCAPEGOAT of Adventism
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The Bible tells us to pray without ceasing ADIALEIPTOS in GREEK does NOT exclude SUNDAY'S, praying and worshipping are interchangeable
1st Thessalonians 5 : 16 - 18
Are you going to suggest that ALL Seventh day Adventists should NOT WORSHIP on SUNDAY'S or SEVEN days out of the WEEK ?
SIMPLE Yes....or......no
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Going to an SDA church on Saturday's doesn't mean by default you are NOW all of a sudden PART of the ONLY ONE TRUE REMNANT religion denomination church which KEEPS and OBEYS ALL the LAW of ALL the Commandments of God
What about the other NINE Commandments ?
@@porfiriojohn5276 so you pray all day and night and never work. Your logic is mind blowing. Sabbath was the only day in the bible we are told to remember. It was sanctified at creation. We are instructed to work six days and rest on the sabbath, but you're saying we should pray and worship every day.
@@porfiriojohn5276 I agree, but do you get to select which commandments you keep?
Remember all apostles and Jesus were Jews and it was their custom to keep sabbath. It's so clear in the NT, but you defend Sunday sacredness and that's your choice.
Scapegoat=satan is not an SDA doctrine, it was a universal doctrine from even before Protestantism that goes as far back as Origen - to - Luther (there may be other references that go back earlier). Only the sacrificial goat was called "...the one for the Lord".
@@gregcox6165 no it isn’t. So now you guys are just making stuff up. Lol. Anthony and I are both classical Protestants.
And when Adventists try and appeal to the likes of Origen, for example, it just shows they don’t even understand the appeal is superficial because Origen held to the ransom theory of atonement, not the investigative judgment and sanctuary model. So appealing to others is useless because no one else in history that said the scapegoat pictured Satan believed Satan was a part of carrying a persons sins away.
@@answeringadventism yes it is; "The first goat I considered to be the great type of Jesus Christ the atonement: such I do not consider the scapegoat to be. The first is a type of the means whereby the atonement was made, and we shall keep to that first." and
"This scapegoat was not designed to show us the victim or the sacrifice, but simply what became of the sins."
Charles Spurgeon
@@answeringadventism "With Origen (third century) the scapegoat reverts unambiguously to its demonic identity. “The goat which in the book of Leviticus is sent away (into the wilderness),” Origen says, “and which in the Hebrew language is named Azazel was none other than this [the Devil]”
@@answeringadventism Thomas Aquinas (1224-1274): “That the immolated goat “is slain, as a lamb, for the sins of those who are forgiven,” for the Lords portion is always slain” While the goat “loosed and sent out into the wilderness of hell with the sins of the people” is “the devil’s part…”” (Ibid., p. 27).
@@answeringadventism "During the late Second Temple period (after the closure of the Hebrew Bible canon), Azazel came to be viewed as a fallen angel responsible for introducing humans to forbidden knowledge, as described in the Book of Enoch. His role as a fallen angel partly remains in Christian and Islamic traditions." Wiki
Why would you have a doctrine that devil worshipers teach?
You are admitting teaching what devil worshipers teach. I'm going to tell Pres. Neal on you that you are quoting devil worshipers instead of Ellen.
Leviticus 16:5 in essence is saying the same thing that Leviticus 3:1 says, both goats had to be for a sin offering without blemish because until the lot was cast either goat could have been the sin offering unto the Lord. This is where your theology is lacking against the claim of SDA doctrine. I'm shocked at you guy's for not having the critical thinking you claim to have considering Myles has a sign that says context is king lol.
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LDS : The father of LIES the Devil is the Spirit brother of Jesus Christ
SAME AS.........
SDA : The father of LIES the Devil is the SDA HERO SCAPEGOAT of Adventism
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Good SUNDAY PHYSICAL RESURRECTION WORSHIP day!
"" I AM the RESURRECTION ! ""
John 11 : 25
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Who chose Judas to be an Apostle Disciple unto Christ ?
Chapter and verse please
If you don't mind
Thank you in advance
@TheFaith Leviticus 16
Was satan sinless on the "day" of atonement fulfillment? NO!
Both goats together where without blemish representing innocence.
Both goats together where presented ALIVE TO GOD.
Both goats together MADE ATONMENT.
Both goats together on the same day made atonement.
Both goats together where A SIN offering representing "A", single SIN offering not plural not separate years.
Both goats had the iniquity of the people laid on them.
Both goats, together, made ATONEMEMT on the same day. Leviticus 16:10 Adventists FORGET THAT THE SCAPEGOAT MAKES ATONEMENT and IS PRESENTED ALIVE BEFORE THE LORD .
Does this refer to satan a demon? Leviticus 16:22 the goat shall bear ALL THE INIQUITIES on itself to a remote area.
The Azazel means "entire removal" and the scape goat MAKES ATONEMENT NOT needs atonement.
Jesus became Azazel for us as HE became SIN for us. Jesus is the scape goat and the sin offering, together both for us. Not some other demon.
Is this accurate?
Matthew 8:17 This was to fulfill what was spoken through Isaiah the prophet: “He Himself took our infirmities and CARRIED AWAY our diseases Isaiah 53:4 yet he himself bore our sicknesses and CARRIED AWAY our pains. Is this correct?
Sabbath keepers have hated Jesus, had HIM Crucified, killed the apostles, killed Christians, persecuted the Church the 9th. Adventists continue that legacy of lies and say they are doing a holy service to God. John 16:2
I love to see Jesus clearly and accurately as the Word of God describes HIM. Praise HIM! Not the SDA religious brand. There is abundant life outside of the SDA religious brand.
No modern day Bible scholars agree with Adventists who make the Temple about satan. SDA's distortion of Jesus qualifies as a cult.
@cliffbailey6474 Incprrect, both goats were brought before the Lord without blemish because before the lot was cast, either goat could have been the sin offering.
The scapegoat can't be Christ, everyone accuses SDAs of not believing in the full atonement at the cross, however if you say that the sin offering didn't complete the atonement then you're doing the same thing you accuse them for.
The scapegoat doesn't pay for sin in the same way Christ did. Christ paid the sin debt in our place. The scapegoat pays for the existence of sin and the responsibility of starting it.
Hey answering adventism I have a question.where in the book of elen the book prophet's and patriarchs says that sins are not blotted out now?
Hi there -
Always check our website. You can use the search function at the top of the page.
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The specific quote is:
"The blood of Christ, while it was to release the repentant sinner from the condemnation of the law, was not to cancel the sin; it would stand on record in the sanctuary until the final atonement; so in the type the blood of the sin offering removed the sin from the penitent, but it rested in the sanctuary until the Day of Atonement."-Patriarchs and Prophets, pg. 357
I don't remember the page number but she did say something to the effect of "The blood of Christ on the cross was not to cancel the sin but would stay in the sanctuary until the final atonement".
Uriah Smith also said something to this effect but he flat out said "Jesus did not make atonement when he shed his blood upon the cross" he also said that Jesus sacrifice on the cross and the atonement are not the same.
Just so you know this was the original form of the Investigative Judgement.
These guys are way off the mark. The Bible is proven SDAdventist correct and they are bending what SDAs are saying.
IMO, the comments, as stated, creates more confusion than clarification. This does not imply I disagree with your views or side with the SDA.
3:09 " how does God illustrate the death of Christ for our sins and" herein is why you can not comprehend . You like the understanding of Paul contained in his writings are under the impression that the offering of the bullock and the goat on the day of atonement was for propiation of our Fathers justice. AND in doing so the scapegoat ceremony seems impossible to associate with end time events. The bullock and the goat in the ritual represent that the Son of God died to His before being conceived in Mary life. It has nothing to do with propiation. Atonement is all about presenting to man the knowledge he needs to enter into relationship with God our Father .To that purpose The Son of God died the life He had when He came forth from His Fathers bosom to present His Fathers will to created free moral agents . By dying to that life and being conceived in Mary, the Son of God was able to prove that a human can live the life our Father had intended. " preach the acceptable year of the Lord" .....year after year after year for forever the seasons repeat, but what is the focus meant by pointing to a particular year as an acceptable year of the Lord. All of creation exists in our Father's self existence .Because we have no other way of existing and because the Creator has a Father child relationship with each we have no choice but to ask that Creator to teach us to have agape love to all. " The acceptable year" ìs the Creator saying that He will shield those who exist in Him from His hatred of disdain, but all the while He will be working to bring forth a people worthy of life in His self existence .
I'm so glad I left religion behind a few years ago, I'm now retired and since I've read and watched a lot of material on religion , it's all a fairy story. But unfortunately it's a story that has done so much damage to people over the centuries.
You just exchanged one religion for another. The religion of the self it sounds like.
@@answeringadventismand what is wrong with changing one religious beliefs.? Isn't that what you are promoting?.
@kingdomfor1 Wonderful that you left dead religion. You missed it because you never heard the Gospel, or received the Grace of God. You missed Jesus Christ is your hearts problem. What don't you like about Jesus? Read the Gospels to Meet Jesus and it will transform your life as it did mine.
I was an Adventist following their dead religious brand. But I read the Bible for myself and found the treasure of life Jesus. Acts 2:38, Romans 10:9,10,13. Resist the flesh's resistance to God and take the leap of faith to eternal life, a relationship with the eternal God Jesus.
Nothing better than knowing Jesus.
Did not God say “Better to obey than to sacrifice?” Yes He did.
Mr Rogers, what does time have to do with type and antitype? Paul wrote that the ceremonial sacrificial system which was in force for centuries was a type of Christ. They were the shadow or type and Jesus was the fulfilled substance. Colossians 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
17 Which are a SHADOW of things to come; but the body is of Christ.
Adventist are trying to make things fit Christ? Brother you have no idea what you're saying. Who says Israel couldn't enter the promised land unless Moses dies? This is outright heresy. On the contrary, Moses really wanted to lead them into the promised land but his disobedience in hitting the rock prevented him. No wonder Jews and this apostate host have to present this error to the public which is very unfortunate.
The one goat which was "for Jehovah" was offered as a sin-offering, by which atonement was made. But the sins must also be visibly banished, and therefore they were symbolically laid by confession on the other goat, which was then "sent away for Azazel" into the wilderness. By a simple method of elimination one can see it clearly. Leviticus 16:7 says And he shall take the two goats, and present them before the LORD at the DOOR of the tabernacle of the congregation.
8 And Aaron shall cast lots upon the two goats; ONE LOT FOR THE LORD, and the other lot for the scapegoat.
9 And Aaron shall bring the goat upon which the LORD'S lot fell, and offer him for a sin offering.
If one lot fell on the Lord's goat what would the other goat represent? One does not need to be a theologian or scientist to figure that out. But when people want to complicate that which God has made simple, you get videos like these.
You respond as you know everything satanic pracher
Truth hurts
Is the view that the scapegoat represents Satan unique to the SDA Church? Did it originate from the writings of EGW?
No, but it was never popularized. It's only been a handful of folks. They didn't understand it to be so integral to the system as it is in SDA theology, though. The Sanctuary system/model proposed by the SDA Church takes it to a different level.
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Gotcha.
So it’s not that it’s unique, but that the SDA interpretation takes it a step further. Are you familiar with the writings of Abraham ibn Ezra?
Another SDA win over dispensationalists
We're not dispensationalists lol
Do you believe followers of Christ should keep the commandments including dietary instructions?
Jesus said what one must do to inherit eternal life is keep the commandments.
Jesus said to inherit eternal life, keep the commandments (Matthew 19:17). Dispensationalist Jesus is lying I guess.
According to Rev 20. The devil was thevone
Revelation 20 has zero connection to Leviticus 16. This is one of the biggest stretches the SDA church makes to try and port their entire system of theology into the single book of Revelation. It’s sad.
JESUS CHRIST IS THE MEDIATOR / HUSBAND OF THE COVENANT BETWEEN THE FATHER AND THE CHILDREN OF ISRAEL .
QUESTION !
WHAT IS THE ROLE OF THE MEDIATOR/HUSBAND ?
HE IS THE INTERCESSOR FOF THE CHILDREN OF ISRAEL , IN THE COVENANT WITH THE FATHER .
WHAT COMES THROUGH THE MEDIATOR ?
1. MEDIATOR , THE HUSBAND/PROTECTOR/COVERING FOR THE PEOPLE IN THE COVENANT WITH THE FATHER .
2. THE TESTATOR , THE BLOOD OR THE SIN SACRIFICE FOR THE PEOPLE .
3. THE LAWGIVER OF THE COVENANT .
4. THE PRIESTHOOD
5. THE HIGH PRIEST .
IS SATAN THE MEDIATOR , TESTATOR , LAWGIVER , PRIESTHOOD , HIGH PRIEST OF THE COVENANT .
DID THIS HAPPEN IN 1844 , OR THE DAY AFTER THE FIRSTFRUITS IS GATHERED , OR HARVESTED , AND OFFERED TO THE FATHER FOR US?
LEVITICUS 23:10-11 , " 10.Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, When ye be come into the land which I give unto you, and shall reap the harvest thereof, then ye shall bring a sheaf of the firstfruits of your harvest unto the priest:
11And he shall wave the sheaf before the LORD, to be accepted for you: on the morrow after the sabbath the priest shall wave it.
DID SATAN PRESENT HIMSELF TO THE FATHER FOR OUR SINS , OR WAS IT JESUS CHRIST ?
JOHN 20:15-17 , " Jesus saith unto her, Woman, why weepest thou? whom seekest thou? She, supposing him to be the gardener, saith unto him, Sir, if thou have borne him hence, tell me where thou hast laid him, and I will take him away.
16Jesus saith unto her, Mary. She turned herself, and saith unto him, Rabboni; which is to say, Master.
17Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.
WHO IS THE FIRSTFRUITS FROM THE DEATH ( FIRSTFRUITS HARVESTED TO THE FATHER ) .
1 CORINTHIANS 15:20 , " 20.But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.
THE FIRSTFRUITS MUST BE HARVESTED ( RESURRECTED ) , THEN THE SHEAF OF THE FIRSTFRUITS ( CHRIST ) MUST BE GIVEN TO THE PRIEST ( CHRIST ) , TO BE WAVE BEFORE THE LORD ( FATHER ) , TO BE ACCEPTED FOR YOU ( PEOPLE SINS ) , ON THE MORROW AFTER THE SABBATH ( WHICH MEANS THAT JESUS CHRIST COULD NOT HAVE BEEN RESURRECTED ON THE DAY AFTER THE SABBATH , BUT AT THE END OF THE SABBATH ; BECAUSE A SABBATH MUST PAST BEFORE HE CAN PRESENT HIMSELF BEFORE THE FATHER ; WHICH IS THE EIGHTH DAY ( THE FATHER'S KINGDOM ) .
DID JESUS WAIT UNTIL 1844 , TO START CLEANSING THE HEAVENLY SANCTUARY , WHICH IS WITHOUT SIN ?
HEBREWS 5:9-10 , " 9.And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;
10Called of God an high priest after the order of Melchisedec.
HEBREWS 9:11-12,24 , " 11.But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building;
12Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.
24.For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us:
REMEMBER WHAT JESUS SAID ?
JOHN 6:39-40,44,54 , " 39.And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
40And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.
44.No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
54.Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.
WHEN IS THE LAST DAY ?
HEBREWS 4:1-11 , " 1.Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.
2For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.
3For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.
4For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.
5And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest.
6Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:
7Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.
8For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.
9There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.
10For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
11Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.
THE LAST DAY IS THE SEVENTH DAY , OR SEVEN THOUSAND YEAR OF MAN .
THE EIGHTH DAY BEGINS THE FATHER'S KINGDOM ; WHICH IS FOREVER .
SHALOM !
@answeringadventism Every feast is fulfilled in scriptures. Check the greek revelation 20:1-4 is clearly a depiction of the scapegoat ceremony NB . 1) it takes place immediately after the High Priests leaves the Most Holy place of the sanctuary. Depicting Christ leaving heaven's Most Holy Place and come to earth (court] ) .2) scapegoat is tied and bounded and taken away from the people to a place void and uninhabited /wilderness( greek word abussos in Rev20 is translated as bottomless pit. . But really means a place without form and void / uninhabited. GEN 1:1 3) scapegoat is Bounded by 'STRONG MAN'. (satan is also bounded by a mighty Angel.
So is sins separated from Israel/separated forever from the true saints
@@answeringadventism It does , know this that God is the God of order. What he had taught to do in tabernacle he is fulfilling and He will fulfill.
Satan is going to be put in inhabited place ( emptiness) for 1000 yrs Rev 20 says.
Scapegoat was send to inhabited places Lev 16 said.
Satan bear his Shame...
Scapegoat bear the blame.. that is the shame.
Yes, indeed from the saints remission had taken place already.
@@christopherbarnes2510 you guys just regurgitate the script over and over and over again. We know the script. We are former SDAs. But that doesn’t stop you guys from just repeating it ad nauseum.
Your comment just begs the question. You simply assume your entire SDA framework to claim the connection is there.
Jesus isn’t doing what you guys claim currently. Not even close. Revelation 20 has nothing to do with Leviticus 16. Notice you can’t actually deal with what is presented in the video, you have to just parrot back to us the script we already know.
Seriously. It never ceases to amaze me how SDAs just repeat back to former SDAs everything we already know. WE WERE ADVENTISTS. We know the claims. We know the position, Christopher. You guys need to learn to actually engage with what people say and not just regurgitate what the SDA church has told you. There are holes in your theory. Address those. Don’t just continue to assert repeatedly the script.
Your guys entire theory of the book of Revelation makes the entire book irrelevant to those John was writing to. You have anachronistically read your system back into the Bible by means of using the Great Controversy Theme. Nothing in Revelation 20 says what you guys are asserting.
““Then I saw an angel coming down from heaven, holding in his hand the key to the bottomless pit and a great chain. And he seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years, and threw him into the pit, and shut it and sealed it over him, so that he might not deceive the nations any longer, until the thousand years were ended. After that he must be released for a little while.”-Revelation 20:1-3
That’s supposed to support your guys wild theory and connect revelation 20 to Leviticus 16. You guys don’t even use basic hermeneutic principles. A horrendous handling of the sacred text. So an angel is the fit person that takes the scapegoat out and throws it off the mountain?
You guys seek to prove too much and don’t even see all of the issues. You just ignore them as if they aren’t there because you think you’ve found some perfect parallel.
The scapegoat died when thrown off the mountain. Which, scripture doesnt say it was thrown off a mountain. Extra biblical folklore and Jewish commentary does. So you guys are equating the pit with being thrown off the mountain. Yet Satan doesn’t die when this is done. Your type breaks down right there. On that alone. That doesn’t include all the other flaws such as the scapegoat having to be blemish free.
Revelation 20 doesn’t have anything to do with the day of atonement. If it wasn’t so sad, it might be funny. I feel bad for you guys. Genuinely.
So y'all are arguing that "for or to Azazel" doesnt work as a type of satan because it's not saying that the goat is satan himself, but rather is just sent "to" or "for" satan? If that's the case your argument is self refulting for the possibility of even the first goat representing Christ because the text does thes same thing in reference to Yehova, saying "to" or "for" Yehova. I could be wrong when it comes to what the Hebrew is saying. If thats the logic then the text would have to say that the 1st goat "is Yehova", not "to or for yehova". You have argued in your videos many time Myles that Christ is Yehova, which i agree with. So why the dual mindedness when it comes to this issue?
I could possibly see you arguing that Christ was a sacrifice for the Father's wrath or whatever, but then you would do what you accuse adventists of doing in seperating the trininity in their oneness. Making the Father out as someone that is hard on sin and Jesus the whipping boy that stands in the gap. Im not sure i entirely understand your view on the father and son sacrificial dynamic.
That’s not what we believe at all or what the claim was. I’m not sure how that’s what you got from this as plenty of others got what was being said just fine.
This also had nothing to do with Trinitarian theology so I’m not sure why that is relevant to this.
It’s you guys that claim Azazel is a person-Satan. Not us. You guys have to deal with the “to/for” issue. That isn’t a problem for us. Which is why this was a critique of the SDA problem.
The goats represent functions that Jesus fulfilled. We aren’t the ones seeking to prove too much like the SDA position does which results in problems.
@answeringadventism then what is your interpretation of the "to" or "for" aspect when it speaks in reference of "to or for" Yehova?
@@answeringadventism Are you going to answer the question dude?
That is so dishonest man its frightening that you have thousands of people watching you eating up your contradictions. That was one of the arguments both of you made for the scapegoat being a representation of satan as an impossibility. At 10:40 Rogers says "it says to or for and so it's not a symbol of satan" in which you chuckled in agreement at 10:55. You then go on to reiterate that argument in saying that you "pointed out in that debate the error" of the goat being azazel, athough it's sent "to or for" azazel.
You then turn around and say that both goats are representations of Christ. You can't have it both ways dude. Both goats are mentioned as going "to" or "for" something. So how do you justify one or both being a representation of Christ, when you say one can't be a representation of satan because of the verbage that is used in the same way with Yehova?
The only reason I brought the trinity into this was because of your own repreated insistences on Jesus being Yehova (which I agree with), and how you are contradicting yourself with this argument against the SDA theological idea of the scapegoat. Your argument against the scapegoat doesn't allow for the typology of the Lord's goat to represent Christ, unless by the way in which I stated concerning the Father.
As far as both goats being "one sin offering" as you two state isn't true to the text. "Sin offering" is not just some words that can be thrown around. They have strictly defined vocabulary by God himself as seen in Leviticus 4 and 6. Only the first goat meets the criteria of something that can be defined as a sin offering. It is also the only one of the two goats referred to as a sin offering after the selection process (Lev. 16:9,15,27). Never again is the scapegoat associated with the phrase "sin offering" or the ritual proceedings that could classify it as such.
God even paints a distinct and clear contradiction between the two goat's functions in verses 9 and 10.
"Aaron shall bring the goat on which the Lord's lot fell and offer IT as a SIN OFFERING. BUT the goat on which the lot fell to the scapegoat shall be presented alive before the Lord, to make atonement upon it, and to let it go as the scapegoat into the wilderness."
It is such an easy thing to understand and differentiate. If I am making a soup and ask you to bring me two spoons to stir the soup with, and then I pick which one I want to use to stir the soup with, I'm not stirring the soup with both spoons. I could tell you to put the spoon back, stir something else with, serve with, or throw it in the trash. Even though they are the exact same spoon. I'm not using them both for the same purpose. It's not hard to get.
@@ballenparks1231 Everywhere else in scripture, a lamb or sheep always represents Jesus or the redeemed. In Leviticus on the antitypical day of atonement, we see two goats, goats always represent sin, and lots in Hebrew is translated as destiny or fate. If one is for a sin offering unto the Lord then we know this one was Jesus and the sin that he bore for all mankind at the cross, his destiny or fate was to bear our sins, die, rise again, and be crowned king of kings and Lord of Lords.
The second goat was for the scapegoat it too had a destiny or fate, however unlike the sin offering being led away from the temple into the wilderness represents eternal separation from God's presence. Unlike the sin offering this goat also had a name according to the Jews, and its name was Azazel which translates to " goat demon " or " Satan " as we know him. So the evidence is very clear, just who the goats are.
Some guy earlier tried to say that Leviticus 3:1 where it talks about a sacrifice having to be spotless and without blemish that because of this the scapegoat had to represent Christ. I told him he had 2 problems with this. 1.) The scapegoat isn't a sacrifice. 2.) Both had to be without blemish until the lots were cast because either goat could have been chosen for the sin offering. The way we SDAs think and the logic and rational that the Holy Spirit gifts us with is so different than these other people, it astounds me how people can't see it. I used to be Baptist, and after a full study, I got it lol.
@TheFaithofJesus-bk4wl amen man. Well written. Thank you for sharing. Sometimes people don't want to see, or they are just not getting the whole picture. Either way grace and kindness is how we respond
Hi Myles & Pastor Rogers: Would you consider that there may not be a fundamental difference between a “Christian” in one denomination who uses the Bible to obliterate other denominations & a member of one “racial” group who uses "science" to annihilate other “races”? Are they not all fueled by the same principle that the “other” should not exist & that one’s group is superior? Where does this craving to be “right” come from?
@healinghumanity----- it's about the welfare of our NEVER dying soul.. Not being right. If we ARE into satanic deception we will end in hell forever
Hebrews 4:12
For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
If God’s Word obliterated a false religion it’s because the religion is false. If the false religion is representing itself as Christian it’s a rare among the wheat and a wolf among the sheep. It’s adherents must be warned to save their souls.
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Stubbornness. Rebellion. Pride. When Jesus returns He is described as returning with a sharp sword that comes out of His mouth. This is God’s Holy Word which will put a final end to all false religions. Why then? Man has 6000 years of rule on planet earth. Jesus takes over right after the 6000th year ends.
@@JamieElison
I’ll be returning WITH Him at His Second Coming. Jude 1:14. Revelation 19:14. I’ll be one of the voices in Isaiah 63:1.
Az Azel for the jewish people is not a person. It's a place. A Cliff in the desert as far as my knowledge goes. Satan has no real place in the Torah. Only Christians like adventists give Satan the same power god possess. Jews never question god ALMIGhTY. There is no war taking place. Each human is darkness and Light.
Isn't Satan mentioned in the book of Job?
Also, we don't believe Satan is as powerful as God. We believe, he is a fallen angel, who rebelled against God. God let him have his way and did not destroy him, because if he had done that, he would have looked like a tyrant, who silences his critics. By letting him live, God proved that he was in the right, and all the angels saw Satan's real character when he tempted the world into sin and even nailed the creator of the universe to a cross and killed him. Blinded by his wrath, he did not see, that this was exactly God's plan, because by his own blood, he saves us, not by the blood of sheep and goats, which only pointed toward his sacrifice on the cross.
@@TonysRagequit satan with an "S" does not exist in hebrew in the Bible. It's a verb that means "to tease". The Angel Who was created to get you to disobey is a creature from god. Under the power of god. Unless you believe god is not omnipotent. Every human has a choice : obey or disobey, that's satan.
Adventists believe in a hollywood super production as Star Wars between god an satan. There are no such character as "Satan" in the original language. As the saying goes "traduttore tradittore"
@@libertecherie6537 The angel who tempts us was created by God, you're right. But it wasn't God's plan for him to tempt us. Of course, God knew, he would do that. But it's not, what he was created for. Satan is a real angel, who rebelled against God.
The war between him and God is not fought with guns, tanks and jets, it's fought with words. Satan's plan is to plant doubts about the character of God in the minds of people and to tempt them into leaving God's purpose for them. God's plan is to reveal the truth about himself to us, about his love and justice, which was made evident at the cross. The war between God and Satan is not a physical war; It's a spiritual one. Satan cannot attack God himself, but he can attack what's most valuable to him: His creation.
Do you remember, when the Moabites tempted the Israelites to commit fornication with their daughters and serve their idols? This was the strategy of Balaam, so that the Israelites might bring the wrath of God upon themselves. The same strategy is Satan's: He tempts us into sin, and if we give in to his temptation, he rejoices, because we've put ourselves under the wrath of God.
And this very same angel, who tempts us to sin the whole time, then goes on to call out to God, "Do you see, what they just did? Punish them, for they have transgressed your law." And out of his hatred for God, he is willing to pile up more and more wrath upon himself for the day of judgement, just to hurt God by hurting his creation and pulling as many of them as he can to damnation with him. There is no more reason in him, only a blind desire for destruction, fueled by his rage.
The problem with this channel is you are causing divisions and rivialies which the bible clearly says "people that do this can't make it to heaven... repent".1 Corinthians 6:9
Sda believe in Jesus Christ. If they want to believe he is a white or black man, or that he cleansed his temple in 1844 it doesn't matter. Faith in Christ is all that matters. Don't put your salvation in jeopardy by these rivialies and divisions in the churcb
Really? You mean like the SDA prophetess that claimed the true Church is apostate, their prayers are an abomination, Jesus is angry with them, they are tools of Satan and are deceived? It's always rich when you guys try and play the victim card.
Furthermore...
"But I am afraid that as the serpent deceived Eve by his cunning, your thoughts will be led astray from a sincere and pure devotion to Christ. For if someone comes and proclaims another Jesus than the one we proclaimed, or if you receive a different spirit from the one you received, or if you accept a different gospel from the one you accepted, you put up with it readily enough."-2 Corinthians 11:3-4
"I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting him who called you in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel-not that there is another one, but there are some who trouble you and want to distort the gospel of Christ. But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed. As we have said before, so now I say again: If anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to the one you received, let him be accursed."-Galatians 1:6-9
The same Paul you cite had the above to say. The problem is your lack of familiarity with how the apostles felt about people preaching false christs and false gospels. Your issue is with the Bible, not Answering Adventism.
By your standard Muslims, Mormons, Jehovah's Witnesses, Bahai, Unity, and every other cult is fine off because they simply use the name "Jesus."
We aren't "causing division." You're proof texting the bible and misapplying it. We're WARNING the true Body of Christ. You're simply mad because you don't like that.
I was born and raised SDA. I was even a baptized member that is not what they teach at all.
Faith alone is never sufficient in Adventism.
From my 16 years in the SDA organization (and leaving it) it's always about preparing yourself for the "Sunday Law" and perfecting our characters. It is a law-based grace.
From my time as an SDA you are stuck in a constant state of paranoia which is funny considering this is exactly what I see in modern day Conservative politics.
Believing in a false Jesus and lies gets no one to heaven.
ITS TIME TO FACE THE MUSIC IN UR EAR THAT ADVENTISM DOES PREACH A FALSE GOSPEL. U NEED TO WAKE UP
I hear you. However, do you think that finite beings have the capacity to determine who will get to heaven & who will be debarred entry? Who gave people the authority to judge or interpret the Decree of the Almighty? @@Micki1958
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@cliffbailey6474 wait, Spurgeon was a devil worshipper as you accuse because he openly taught that the Scapegoat is Satan? Brother, please stop - this is shameful.
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@gregcox6165 You Adventist call sunday worshipers, as Spurgeon is, a devil worshiper as well as a sabbath breaker and sun worshiper.
Tell me I'm wrong? Twisting serpent.
Why would you have a doctrine that devil worshipers teach? And desperately try to justify yourself using sunday keepers. I'm telling Pres. Neal.
All you Adventists that love Jesus, see the wickedness of name calling, false accusing of Ellen and leadership who brainwash you to their "religious brand". You can flee this cult by Faith as I did and enjoy an abundant life Acts 2:38, John 10:10