Photography vs AI
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- Опубликовано: 18 апр 2023
- Photography and AI (artificial Intelligence) is a particularly hot topic and has the potential to be an absolute game changer for all photographers. At the recent Sony World Photography Awards, German artist, Boris Eldagsen’s AI-generated image titled ‘Pseudomnesia: The Electrician’ won first prize in the creative open category. Eldagsen refused the award and said he used the picture to test the competition and create a discussion about the future of photography.
Many creatives are saying AI has the potential to cripple professional photography, Lets discuss the potential impacts and benefits of AI.
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10:26 - I don’t think portraiture photographers are safe, if you look up stable diffusion and LORA models you can train a model on anyone. Its really fascinating.
I really hope this isn’t the end for photography and people earning a living from it. Technology is great but sometimes it goes to far 🤦🏻♂️photography is hard enough to get a break in without AI making it even worse!
In some parts you are right, stockphotos are out. But no KI in the world can take a photo of the first goal in the second half of the football final, not of the special moment at a certain wedding, not my customers at work. KI could only make illustrations of that but never the real moment. So at least photography of special moments will survive.
It absolutely can. It´s called. scene detection. And it will be even possible to correct the scene afterwards.
People absolutely underestimate what AI is able to. You´re brain is a computer. So why should AI not be able to do it?
At weddings cameras can be placed that automatically catch the best moments. Can you pay 20-30 photographers to be at your wedding? probably not. But 20 AI driven cameras can be at your wedding and photograph everything and everyone.
There are billions of pictures to train the AI. No wedding photographer has the experience of a billion photographs.
Please dont underestimate AI!
Its sad for the ones who are skillful enough to make money, however Its sad also for the ones who found purpose in photography.
Now I cannot enjoy it when anyone, anywhere, on any time, with anything can do it.
Rest in peace.
Thanks for combining deep knowledge with passion to speak clearly on the significant impacts occurring with ever increasing speed. Press on with the great content.
Thanks Robert, glad you appreciate it 🙏
Warning bells rang ages ago, but everyone kept feeding the beast. Time to stand back and think outside the AI box.
Yep.
If AI. Is using your images it has picked up over the years on the internet, then surely that is copyright infringement on a massive scale and the companies providing AI services are breaking the law and can be held accountable ? It kind of reminds me of away back when, was it Napster or something who was providing us with music and they were eventually taken to court and basically lost the case and what happened next ? I think free music and not paying out the musicians etc ended up a no no . Perhaps, and for the sake of all the photographers and not least humanity ( because this could lead to even greater problems for us all) this AI will be nipped in the bud early and prevented from using OUR images without paying for us to take them, and massive frauds will be prevented along with fake photos spreading political as well as religious and well who knows maybe the Loch Ness monster will be featuring too….OMG ! It is just unthinkable that we allow this to get out of control, it must be stopped NOW! 😁👍
AI is here to stay for sure. I follow someone on Insta that generates portraits with AI and at first glance they are very impressive and I definitely admire the work. These portraits, however beautiful they are, lack the vividness of a portrait of a living person though.
Two things that will reduce the impact of AI on photography:
AI generated photos now look impressive and unique but as people will use the same terms to generate images these images will start to look more or less the same. The artistic and creative element of the photographer will distinguish itself.
AI generated photos are generated behind the desk and therefor miss one of the most crucial elements of photography: opportunity. Opportunities make for photos you would never imagine to be possible and since these opportunities do not arise behind the desk these photos will be very hard to generate.
Very good point, thanks for sharing 👍
‘You tell a Computer what image to create and it creates it…’
Opens up a new artform: Descriptive Creation!
The art of precise, succinct description of what you want to achieve.
Does remind me of literature where precise, succinct descriptions make us create whole worlds in our heads….
First of all, thank you for all the interesting videos. Now, AI. I think i’m being lucky that photography is only a hobby for me. I have a regular job and I don’t need my pictures to feed me. But I can imagine that AI is going to be problematic for professional photographers. You mentioned advertising photography, but what about newsphotography? That scares me a little, AI can make fake news even more realistic.
I agree that AI will never be able to take away the fun of getting out and taking pictures. Let’s hope that as many companies as possible will still recognize the craftsmanship of a real photographer.
Very true Bart, thanks for the comments 👍
In relation to news photography, I'm afraid that was happening long before AI came on the scene. I recall a few years ago seeing photographs as part of an ethics course that were taken in the aftermath of the earthquake in Haiti. A young girl had been shot dead by a police officer for looting food in the aftermath of the quake. A photographer had taken her image when he came across the scene. However, it was not the image the media finally went with. In his initial image the girl was lying in her school uniform on the ground where she had fallen. When compared to the image eventually used, it was obvious that one of the photographers there had repositioned her body a bit for a more dramatic effect and (for whatever reason) had pulled her skirt a bit higher up her leg. I recall one image that showed a group of about a dozen press photographers gathered around her body taking photos as if she were an exhibit in a show or something.
I also recall seeing another image of a Palestinian child up against a wall as an Israeli soldier advanced on him wielding a baton. However, when zoomed out, the original image showed that the 'baton' being held by the soldier was the handle of a bat he was using to play table tennis with a group of Palestinian children. The boy 'cowering' against the wall was actually just standing out of the way of the ball. Unfortunately, what had been a nice image had been cropped to present the situation as something completely different to what it actually was.
Thanks for the video Marc, I was a bit worried you were about to have a heart attack but thankfully you survived. I'm 76 and worked in technology/computers, mostly in the commercial area, all my life, so since about 1966. it has always brought change and therefore created fear but mostly brought huge benefits. yes we all have had to adapt to the changes it brings in most areas. A I will force some changes but may also bring some unseen benefits. Sean Tucker brought out a video on his RUclips channel a month ago called Photography and the rise of A I, well worth a watch. at least you're not MR Canon or Nikon.
Thanks Peter 👍
Will we eventually end up with AI generated images of AI generated images?...
Yeah, I know! Madness
I saw your video about AI from the School of Photography. I am a new director of an art gallery. One of our photographers started using AI. Personally, I thought her photo was amazing. And then I saw it was AI. I was "on the fence" about the subject, but you helped clarify it for me. The thing I am worrying about is that I'm trying to get the gallery back to "fine art", even for photographers. It seems to me, that the process will be no different than a painter, for example, taking someone else's work, painting it their own way, and calling it theirs. In the art world, copyrighting is a big deal. AI totally messes up everything. I would hope that our artists are better than that by truly using their imaginations, their feelings, their heart, their creativity, and their passion.
i wish the AI problem was only limited to photography. Why do you think portraiture is any different though and that it will survive? I can easily see an app where someone just takes a selfie and the AI can do whatever you want with it
Yeap, possibly Harry
@@theschoolofphotography there are people who become travel influencers without having to leave the house. because background photos can be changed to anything with ai
Marc, thank you for sharing your thoughts and passion regarding AI. Two months ago, I listened to a podcast about AI (Social Media Marketing podcast 2 February, hosted by Michael Stelzner). Stelzner also said this is a pivotal point. How will AI affect creativity and the arts?
I believe so Michael, this is going to change the way people get paid to be creative!
Really interesting video. The genie is out of the bottle. I have my feet in two camps. For my day job AI image creation makes a lot of sense, but I would worry for all the photographers I work with. I'm also a keen semi pro photographer and am watching developments with interest. I don't actually make my main living from my camera so I don't have to worry on that front. There seems to be lots of vitriol aimed at AI from certain RUclips photo channels which is just pointless moaning. It's here and we have to adapt and live with it. On the flip side we are also moving into an age of authenticity appreciation so it's not all bad. To be honest there are too many bad photographers in the world anyway.
Thank you very much for your video. You are 100% right this hurts photographers alot i was make plan to visit many’s countries for wildlife photography but now i have lots questions mark on my mind i don’t know what’s gonna happen 😢
Mark, I think you are right. I would suggest, that before long, there will be AI Stock photography agencies that will make photographers currently making money on their images, redundant. I would also say, that AI has been developed moreso for the Dark side than any other. You mentioned in this video about how producers of AI have stripped the internet for reference images to use. This is also the case for headshots of people, to create AI generated 'DeepFakes' for use in media. In fact I am already hearing of TV Newscasts, where there is no real Newsreader, but an AI Deep Fake. It has been in hollywood for some time, where scenes are being performed by a stunt double where they film makers need to generate an image of the real actor. I believe, that there is already an organisation that has been formed to hightlight the potential missuses of AI, in Photography, to try and implement protocols and standards, surrounding its use (unfortunately cannot recall the name of the group). Imagine, watching a TV where you think the President of the US is speaking to the public about going to War with another Country, but in reality, you are watching a Deep Fake, controlled by a Government Agency that has overthrown the real government in order to create a situation where there isn't one. sound far fetched? Well, people in power and high circles already have body doubles.
Thanks Steve 👍
Events photography, weddings photography, sports photography, maybe some special types like medical photography, all sorts of the real life stuff for personal use or for documenting at a real time will be still photographed, but the issues of credibility will arise for any of them.
Looks like it is an excellent time to get 35mm film camera and get yourself back in time to old school. AI don't have a chance to stand a one off original image produced in a room under nice red ight. Next forever stop - analog photography(the past is the future )
I assume this whole Adobe Stock had another reason: collecting image data to feed their AI 🤔
Keep sharing stuff.. great channel ❤
Thanks :)
Interesting video. Although I agree with a lot of it, I am not as pessimistic as you are regarding photography. Yes, things wil change but they always do. You say you can't compare painting with the invention of photography. Your arguments make sense but I don't think portrait painters of the early 19th century would agree.They saw a major threat to their business even though it was only in black and white. I do agree that some kinds of photography will suffer, you mentioned advertising, totally agree. Every branch of photography that shoots, generic images will have a problem (i.e. a tiger as opposed to a specific tiger). The horseshoe picture as well. A generic image of the horseshoe bend will indeed be easy to create with AI, but people that are familiar with the location will notice strange rock formations or a weird horizon. I shoot documentary style series in places that are being redeveloped. No way AI could match that as there is no reference material out there. So art and advertising will change dramatically, for many other types of photography AI will be a tool.....for the time being.
I follow I ai account on insta and they posted that a magazine printed their images and I'm like ... Does the "artist " get paid for generating ai images ... Because did they ??
Is it a photograph though or a digital image? I know that argument was kinda argued when digital cameras came out however a photograph needs a camera and a moment in time captured. I’m not against it, and obviously people who create art to sell will be hit the hardest because no one will care how it was created if they can either tell a computer to create it themselves. In my opinion film photography seems even more valuable than ever as well as authentic paintings.
I had ignored all the hubbub about AI and photography until watching this video. So I was unaware of Adobe Firefly and AI in photography in general. Feels like a disaster for original image creation. Where's the passion behind typing out a description to a computer? That's my initial reaction, though I can see how it is an advancement in art creation as well -- we're no longer constrained by the limitations of the tools that we use (camera, lens, etc.). But it seems like we'll have traded one limitation for another -- AI will be limited to what it has been trained with. Is it possible real creativity can come from that?
And on the matter of using images from the internet as training material for AI, it seems that anyone who copyrighted their images may have legal recourse -- seems like there are legal implications, but we'll have to see how that works as I know of no legal model for it.
Thanks for putting the video together and expressing so much passion for photography! I think there are many of us who'll feel similarly about this development.
You're welcome David and thanks for the comments 👍
I used to think only creatives were safe from technology, that is no longer the case. Thanks for the video Marc. Creatives might need to learn new skills to apply AI in new roles. I will post an AI portrait in TSOP for you.
Look forward to it Ann 😊
The company I work for licenses images. We will not license an AI generated image, because AI generated images are made by systems trained on stolen images, and each image we license MUST be traced back to a human creator with rights to that image. Rest assured that AI cannot legally take any business from a human artist. That said, I do believe that much of the work of professional photographers, painters, writers, and even filmmakers will be illegally taken by thieves hiding behind the label of AI. It's like if a photographer took a photo of a painting and tried to pass it off as their own painting. As if you took a photo of the Mona Lisa and tried to sell a print of the photo as the original Mona Lisa that you painted. AI is being used to steal images because it causes harm to the original artists by using their images without their consent or knowledge.
Good to know Magus, thanks 😊
@@theschoolofphotography What we are talking about is "blackbox AI", where the user types in a prompt and the AI scrapes the internet for images to use as a reference to generate an image. However, if a company licenses all images and then trains an AI system on only images that have been created by artists working for that company or that have been licensed legally, then the images generated by this "whitebox AI" can truly be said to have been legally created by the people at this company. It's as if you set up lights and props and paid a model in a photography studio and made sure that you did all the work of creating a photograph yourself. Then you would actually legally own that image.
GREAT
Hmm.., so we’re screwed? Maybe. Well.., I think the most part of stock photography as we know it will die and those making a living from it will have to make some adjustments and accommodations. This pertains to graphic and industrial design as well, maybe architecture, too. In a nutshell: creative people will have to reinvent themselves. On the other hand I believe there’s a lot of hype involved because AI usage is new and fascinating, but I’m quite certain it’ll calm down as it’ll run out of original ideas, hence losing ground. As you said, it’s feeding on our portfolios, but if we effectively restrict illegal usage, nothing original will originate from the so called artificial intelligence. It may be a master in combination, but it’s not innovative. Let’s be creative, folks!
AI MUST be watermarked on ALL images, to prevent outright lies.
Marc, this was a very interesting video & a game changing subject. I am very saddened that the Professional Photographers (with business) are going to suffer from AI images. I am only an amateur hobbyist photographer who is enjoying learning the craft & fortunately not using photography to pay my bills. I can only imagine how AI is impacting the Professional photographer & sympathise with them. You/they have spent many years mastering the craft & using your knowledge,skills, experience to produce masterpieces for the paying customer, only to have AI take some of that away. Like others have said AI can not produce those special moments of those key events as they happen, AI needs to steal the work of the skilled photographer to recreate something that has already happened & being captures by a human being with camera in hand. SHAME ON AI for doing this.
The world is changing so fast, AI now what next? camera's will be added to the past very soon you will only need a laptop and a few key words. Just one question about AI and that is could they do a wedding shoot with it? or as you say a portrait shoot, a child's school photograph?? It will be very interesting to see how things change in the coming months.
I would say wedding, portrait, sport would be safe, it's the rest that might be in trouble!
@@theschoolofphotography Yes, as you said in the video guessing nothing in the end will be that safe. Many thanks for having you say simple and understandable !
Surely amateurs and enthusiast photographers won’t want to fool themselves by creating AI photos? What would be the point of that, and where would be the satisfaction? It may have an effect in commercial photography, but there is already a mega library of stock photographs that companies can turn to and use now, but if companies want original and up to the moment photos then real photography should survive.
There are real time situations which cannot be replicated by AI - models displaying the latest outfits, sports, latest car advertising, and a thousand other ‘real life’ situations. I think photography will change for sure, but survive.
AI has almost made the art of photography redundant. Sobering thought for us all !
Producing AI generated photos on computer is only one issue.
The next generation of cameras will have in-body AI, generating perfect images in any style. So photography will become point and shoot, even portrait photographers will be at risk!
AI generated photos have No Souls.😊
I find myself torn between the rock and a hard place. I've seen some people who use this on social media and swerve answering the, "is this AI generated?" question. So honesty is definitely an issue, and we would be stupid to assume people will be like the artist on your video. As easy as it is for these platforms to create these images, there must surely be a way to file stamp them, so we know where these havw come from. Like, embedded into the image metadata or something like that. 🫤
That would be good Chris but I fear it is unlikely that would happen!
Adobe firefly are stamping them😊