Dear Angry Commenters: 1. I didn't delete VaatiVidya's comment. I NEVER delete comments. RUclips refreshes comment threads all the time to show more recent ones. His is probably buried in the 55,000 others the video has. 2. Sorry we showed Patches' head on Siegward. The editors do a lot of Google Image searching, especially for franchises they're not as familiar with, and while I thought it was weird to see Siegward's face (I didn't remember it from my playthroughs and was something that, as I was giving notes gave me a red flag), I had forgotten that Patches steals his armor and didn't fully check it out. But one minor mistake like that shouldn't discount the theory, undermine my enthusiasm for this franchise, or prompt the rage you guys are sending. 3. Yes, a lot of this is basic -- but I can't assume people know ANYTHING about Dark Souls and I want everyone to appreciate the lore of the series. The next episode gets REALLY deep, so I had to start everyone on the same level so next week's follow-up will make sense.
Marilia Silva Well Vaati has certainly never taken credit for making Souls lore his own. He simply expounds on it the same way Mattpat has opened up FNAF for many ppl.
In defense of reptitive plot it’s supposed to show a cycle that keeps repeating but needs to end it actually does a good job of telling that if you see the story of all the npcs
@@littlemoth4956 You realize Vaati has tons of videos on his version of the lore and its work that he got help with from many sources. Vaati gives the most based and realistic vision of how the lore plays out and people like it because based on what the game gives us its the most likely way the lore actually went about.
Matpat didn’t have to look that far into hawkwood, since the item description of his weapons and armour say that he was a deserter from the undead legion
Same. This theory is actually the backstory I settled on for my character. I view the corpse atop the Castle as a diversion. Whoever that turned out to be wasn't the true 3rd Blackhand in my headcanon; it was someone the King sent up there to stall the tougher Winged Knights
Hawkwood's shield also, ya know, just straight up tells you he is a deserter. You don't even have to look at his name or armor. Item Description of Hawkwood's Shield: "Shield that belonged to Hawkwood, a deserter from the Undead Legion. The unique swordsmanship of the Watchers does not normally allow for the use of a shield, and Hawkwood's very possession of it was telltale of his defeat.
Andrew Ryan i also noticed that someone skiped a few item descriptions!!! but really though what research are you doing if you don't even read about the armor set of the character you are researching?
Pretty much sums this episode up. I know everyone has to start somewhere, but this is still a pretty shallow theory. He's talking about this when my shower thoughts are questioning whether or not Aldrich ate Nito. You know, light stuff.
He's not the one that edits the videos so it's possible the editor doesn't know the difference between the two; I think matpat only does the voice-overs
Matpat that's not Siegward of Catarina, that's patches someone who is in every dark souls games and trolls u. In dark souls 3 he steals Siegward's armour who is somebody your character trusts and trolls u by that identity. You can actually find Siegward later on in the game in a hole where u can give back his armour and then later on he helps you defeat Yorhm the giant which they have a cool back story together but I'm not gonna say every detail cause this message would be really long.
The Lords of Cinder aren't just people who Linked the Fire; they're people who were strong enough to SURVIVE the process and became protectors of the First Flame. All the others who Linked the Flame died in the process.
That's not entirely right. The Lords of Cinder were strong enough to REACH the first flame. Almost anyone can link it, it's the journey there that's hard. No one else linked the fire besides the Lords and the chosen undead. Those who died, died because the were defeated by the Lord of Cinder.
Makes you wonder, why matpat don't just collap with the famous people of the specific niches. Here with Vaati and for the for honor 1v1v1 fight with stallagrim. Would've eased the nerds and the normies wouldn't've cared either way.
Jacob Lister Have you played as a male? Because ive played as both for different runs and cosplays and challenges and it does completely go on the gender of your player.
11:59 ummmm....Matpat...that's not Seigward. That's Patches, wearing Seigward's armor. He steals it from Seigward outside the chapel of the deep. The real Seigward never takes his armor off through the entire game, so you can't see his face without glitching the camera inside his helmet...
I’ve done some deep thinking since this video and come to a conclusion. (My theory implies this videos theory is correct which I believe to be true so take this with a pinch of salt.) If the player is the third black hand that’s cool but what bothers me is “what was his name?” If you type “Black Hand..” into the character creator name slot you’ll notice you have 6 spaces left (1 for a gap so 5) This means the player characters name was 5 letters long. Black Hand Gotthard’s name means: “as strong as God” Black Hand Kamui’s name means: “Gods authority” Judging by this theme then the third Black Hand has a 5 letter name meaning something to do with god. I did a seriously ridiculous amount of time searching names related to god and found few that fit the 5 letters and “God’s ...” guideline, so I gave up. Months later I chose to replay Dark Souls 2 (Forgive me..), throughout the game you can summon an NPC called Drifter Swordsman Aidel. My name is Drifter so I see him as a brother of sorts, anyway I chose to google his name and it means “God’s gift” 5 letters long and means something to do with god The name of the third Black Hand and possibly the player character is most likely Aidel. This opens a new question: is Drifter Swordsman Aidel the Dark Souls 3 protagonist many years before he became a Black Hand member??? Thank you if you read this far, you’re awesome and I hope you liked my theory
My theory is that you play as a guy that has simply nothing to do... He just sits on the couch bored, when one guy came up and was like "Hey, you think you can assassinate someone for me" to as which he replied with "Yeeh" and he got up dusted the Cheeto dust off his coat and left for adventure. Please Mat I'm broke.
Actually, hollowing is the outcome of losing one's hope and goals in life. If you lose that which drives you to achieve your dreams, you hollow. If you succeed in making your dream a reality and think to yourself: "Well... that's cool. Now what?" You hollow.
_ TheBlaiZe actually it’s not...having a goal and something to fight for just slows the hollowing process. It’s even stated by by onion knight in dark souls 1, and then the idea is re-affirmed in the lucatiel story in dark souls 2 and then in dark souls 3 after helping siegward kill Yhorm he dies regardless of the fight. Not because he instantly hollows, he has hollowed during his own journey to get to thorn and when yhorm finally dies and that being siegwards finally purpose he does as well.. so the idea of having a “goal” or purpose has been stated since ds1 so SLOW the process but never stop it.
If you want to talk in reality, then you are wrong, success in goals will find you ultimate relief from hollowing if you have found the right goal, if you chase the goal you are not whole heartedly going for and yet manage to succeed, you feel fooled by your success and empty because what you want hasn't come to fruition. Victory to the right goal, your ultimate purpose will give you success in your heart, and when you succeed at that, you will have succeeded in everything else you could possibly want, you are content and nothing will be able to gnaw at your conscience...
I'm sorry I "have" to correct you, MatPat, but! the character at 11:57 is NOT Siegward himself! It's actually the character Patches in disguise, after he stole Siegwards armor.
+VC12x I don't know how people still don't know this, but MatPat doesn't edit his videos. It was most likely an editor's mistake, especially since they used Artorias from the DS1 box art as a stand-in for the main character.
I like how you parallels from hawkwoods armor and name, but just playing the game will tell you for certain he was an abyss watcher and you fight him at the abyss watcher bonfire
In a Taiwanese interview with Miyazaki, he defines unkindled as those who: "didn't succeed in linking the fire and becoming cinder, but failed and burned to nothing. Unkindled is born out of their remaining ashes". The Ocelotte theory is nice, but considering this..it doesn't really make sense. Considering your timeline, I doubt you could even say Ocelotte took on the soul of cinder and failed. Some other commenters are rightly pointing out that Orbeck has a connection to the Twin Princes, as he can be summoned for their fight and can die in the Archives, and is probably Unkindled. eh - Vaati
After a scanthrough of the lore of the dark souls universe (Vaati videos), I have concluded that the identity of the ashen one does not matter. In fact I would argue that the identity of the ashen one is deliberately left anonymous by Fromsoft to enhance the immersive atmosphere of Dark Souls. Take into account the description of the starting classes you choose at the start of dark souls 3. The Knight reads: "An obscure knight of poor renown who collapsed roaming the land. Sturdy, owing to high vitality and stout armor." - Source: Fextralife wiki (since I didn't pay attention to the class descriptions when I chose my class and instead looked for best armour). Aside from this all other information that directly links with the player character is in the descriptions of the starting gifts, and they are even more vague than the misc. items you discover throughout the game (Worker's trousers has more lore than these). Hell, even the NPCs of the souls games belittles the player character, take into account Eygon of Carim. When you first meet him he is not even remotely courteous to you, instead saying things like: "All you faceless Undead, behaving as if you deserve respect." By giving us little lore about our own characters and giving so many hints and references to the bosses we slay and the npcs we meet increases the opressive atmosphere of the game and raises the presence of the bosses. That is unlike games such as WoW, your character is no hero, and no chosen one. Rather than being told you are great you start as the bottom feeders of the barrel that is the souls universe, and you claw your way up and when you finally beat the challenges the game throws at you, it just feels that much sweeter. -Note to the people you clicked read more: Oh you poor souls, don't read it, it doesn't make that much sense. I'm gonna re-write it when I feel like it. Are you cold? Oh, good hunter. And Patches isn't OnionBro, what is this blasphemy? Do you even praise the sun?
you have obviously got this all wrong especially this section "By giving us little lore about our own characters and giving so many hints and references to the bosses we slay and the npcs we meet increases the oppressive atmosphere of the game and raises the presence of the bosses. That is unlike games such as WoW, your character is no hero, and no chosen one. Rather than being told you are great you start as the bottom feeders of the barrel that is the souls universe, and you claw your way up and when you finally beat the challenges the game throws at you, it just feels that much sweeter." it us sounds like rambling, of course the main character(s) has a level of importance in the game because if not, you have to ask yourself, why did Oscar pick you? you meant something to the world of lordran in order for him to select you to carry the torch.
I'm pretty sure Mat put Patches face in place of Siegwards. In the game Patches steals Siegwards' armour and tricks the player. You never actually are able to see Siegwards' face in the game at all.
the video was cool and gave me some tidbits I didn't know about but yeah...the picture fuckup with Patches being rubbed on my face over and over and over again really put me off this episode.
Of course it's Patches what are you talking about? The picture used in this vid is from the cutscene when Patches traps you in the Catheral of the Deep. Qick google search will prove it to you
Havoc Zephyr mat pat said that he played through the game at least once. I'm assuming he put the picture of patches because he just wanted a picture, while there are no pictures of seigward
Idk why Dark Souls fans think everything that talks about any lore/story/theories about Dark Souls needs to be discussed through Vaati and no one else.
I personally prefer the idea that we’re connected to Ludleth. Ludleth is always nice to us, so to be honest it’s nice to imagine. But also, he was the only one who stayed upon being reborn, similar to us, because we are the only one of the unkindlsd we see who’s goal never wavers. Much like Ludleth, we are almost a nobody, a extra, a blank slate that managed to fill a vacuum, yet will die a colossus. Also, if I’m not mistaken The Brothers aren’t technically lords of cinder in the sense of the rest, because their twisted soul was never sacrificed to the first flame. Anyway that’s my two cents, and it’s mostly based off of headcannon
Interesting theory, except there's one NPC you've forgotten about. One that could be seen as opposed to Lothric and Lorian. A Scholar, not unlike the ones who tutored the young Prince, who was perhaps sent to make amends for the mistakes of his peers by helping you subdue the final Lord; Orbeck of Vinheim. All of Lothric's family are steeped in Sorcery; Oceiros is attempting to follow in Seath's footsteps, the Grand Archives are geographically located atop the old Duke's Archives and Lothric himself uses a unique form of Faith-based Crystal magic. He shares a physical resemblance to Priscilla, Seath's crossbreed daughter with Gwynevere from the first game, who also represents a melding of Faith and Sorcery. What you first meet Orbeck, he has set up a makeshift study in the swamp, and immediately after finding him, you encounter the Crystal Sage boss, an enemy later found in the Grand Archives. The Crystal Sage seems pretty out of place in the swamp, unless it was attempting to track down and stop Orbeck at the behest of the other Scholars. When you meet Orbeck at Firelink Shrine, he says; "No matter the victim's stature, every killing has a consequence..." He specifically mentions that the victim's status doesn't matter, whether it's a commoner or even a member of the Royal Family. He also confesses to being more of an Assassin than a Sorcerer. His armour, the Clandestine Coat, states; "These were covert agents who excelled at manipulating sound", maybe hinting that Orbeck's aural Sorcery and training as an Assassin makes him a prime candidate to kill the largely handicapped Royal Family of Lothric; Oceiros is blind, Lorian is lame and Lothric is frail, and all of them have their eyes obscured in some way, meaning they would most likely rely on sound, something Orbeck can use to his advantage. It's also interesting that the only fight you can summon him for is Lothric and Lorian. Further, Yuria of Londor, who wants the Fire to fade, tells you to kill Orbeck, perhaps because it was Orbeck's task to subdue the Prince, just like it was Anri, Siegward and Hawkwood's task to topple their respective Lords. She goads you by telling you he threatens your position as Lord of Hollows. If you trust Yuria and kill Orbeck, that's perhaps one less person to persuade you to link the Fire, allowing Yuria's, and by extension the Lords of Cinder's, plans to come to fruition instead.
JamuThatsWho the crystal sage you found at farron keep wasnt there to kill orbeck it simply there because one of the crystal sage is siding with farron undead legion (you found the other one in grand archives) its stated in the coal you found in farron keep (forgot the name of the coal). also orbeck is too minor for a character to influence lothric.he was a sorcerer but not a scholar (it is stated in some item that the one who influence lothric is a scholar from grand archives) orbeck said this himself
I remember seeing something about the Sage teaching Sorcery to the Farron Legion, but it's not the Farron Coal description, it's the Soul of the Crystal Sage, which says he allied with Farron. Also, that doesn't necessarily mean he wasn't also there to stop Orbeck as a secondary mission. Perhaps he even taught Sorcery to the Farron Legion to help stop the Ashen One and Orbeck? Since none of them want the Fire to be kindled. He isn't an Archive Scholar, but perhaps he was sent by Vinheim, since maybe the end of the Age of Fire means the end of the ability to study Sorcery.
All the Unkindled are related to one boss that is a Lord of Cinders (Hawkwood -The Abyss Watchers, Siegward - Yhorm, Anri and Horace - Aldrich) so the main character might be related to Lothric - The Younger Prince, they might be a scholar that influenced Lothric making him think that linking the flame is a mistake. Later, he might have been punished by the royal family and was tasked with linking the flame which we undoubtedly failed at.And now we're resurrected to right the past and link the flame. Also, we find The Ashen Estus Ring in the location of your grave in the Untended Graves (the past) supporting the theory that we were related to the royal family in someway but most likely not a member of the family since there are no mentions about another son in any item descriptions, which leaves the possibility that we might have been the one of the scholars that taught Lothric.
True and lets all think back to Dark Souls one. We can all remember a certain knight that was pushed away from being a part of the royal family correct. perhaps our character has a similar role. Maybe we were erased from the annals of history like the great sun knight long ago.
+Yuuki Tsukino Well, this is as plausible as the video. Point is, your character could have been a slave knight, a seeker of knowledge, a merchant, a wanton murderer, a knight, a barbarian, a naked guy with a stick. The backstory is in your head. You create the character, you give them a class, scars, tatoos, blind eyes, you set them up to match your vision, and in that time you are creating where they came from. But, to enter this world, and for your character to be able to play out the personality you have given them, you need a bridge - Miyazaki's quote. It's basically the "why is my character here". The game never forces a backstory for you, it only gives you the tools to play out the character. Still, I feel like your take on your character might have been fun to play out, so kudos. :-) The only thing that connects us, the moment you drop your character, and deleted/never played them again, they have lost their will, and they have become hollow.
The unkindled one related to Lothric and Lorian is, in fact, Orbeck of Vinheim. He's sent as an assasin, and you can summon him before the twin princes fight. He's not from Dark Souls 1, the son of Gwyn. That one is the Nameless King.
Enclave Sympathiser because he doesn't know what he's talking about, hence why he hasn't done anything with it before. ...but Austin's video was a hit, so gotta tailcoat his success.
I doubt he can.. but everything MatPat told us in this video already been told by another souls lore hunter like Vaatividya, DaveControl, The Ashen Holow, and others and theirs are more deeper than this.. I'm coming here hoping there're something I miss from watching them, but nope.. it all still the same..
Excuse me sir, The face you keep using for Seigward of Catarina is actually the face of Patches. Patches appears in previous Dark Souls game as 'the character that always tricks you' and he also appears in other Miyazaki games. Just making sure you are aware.
Thanks for the awareness, but I think thats the point. In dark souls 3 Patches tricks you into thinking he is Seigward, same as the editor here. (Or maybe Patches made a fool of the editor, that would be sooo fiting).
You have multiple choices for your backstories. Either the one Matt presents, or your very own. I went with a mix of Matt's and the idea that the Dark Souls universe is a Limbo of sorts, Lords of Cinder going to a better afterlife while those who don't become Lords suffer, and the Lords being brought back is them being dragged through the gates to heaven/hell/oblivion/wherever to redo what they did to pass on because whatever revived them began to get desperate. The Ages are just the beings who determined when they could move on, age of the Ancients were the dragons_ who desired eternal servitude from mortals, age of fire is Gwyn/the gods_ who wants to keep the fire alive to prevent the dragons from taking over again, and the age of dark/hollows would be the humans_ Who would pass on rather quickly.
Yeah. Isn't it funny that we already have had at least two people Vaati and Silver Mont talk about everything to do with the lore. We already have our resident experts in Souls lore researching things.
Jonah Keiffer Yeah, I hate how MatPat keeps getting away with taking theories from the Internet and presents them like he "cracked the code" without acknowledging or crediting where he got it from. The Game of Thrones videoes on the Film Theory channel are the worst offenders were most of the theories he presented like he discovered them were almost 20 years old! Like Jon Snows parentage was theorized correctly after the second book and some quick googling shows you that...
My theory (think its pretty good): There's something about Wolnir that's been bothering me. Like a lot of things in Dark Souls, there are tons of descriptions relating to Wolnir that seem to be dead-end fiction, but the other enemies all have explanations as to their presence (The Abyss Watchers follow Artorias' footsteps, the Old Demon King is the last remnant of the Chaos Flame, the Nameless King may or may not be the son of Gwyn who fell from grace, etc.). Meanwhile, Wolnir and the entire area related to him just kind of feel like a stepping stone for getting to other places. Even the Smouldering Lake has deeper Lore than the Catacombs of Carthus. You encounter a big scary skele-man, break his things, then move on. There's almost no impact from the fight other than "Surprise!" But reading anything I could find about Wolnir revealed some subtleties that make me think of Dark Souls 2. Given some of the descriptions and implications, it's got me thinking that Wolnir might be the Protagonist from Dark Souls II... Here's the breakdown of what's got me thinking this: In Dark Souls 2, the Protagonist is motivated for almost entirely selfish purposes: To resolve their curse of undeath. Which is unlike the Protagonists of Dark Souls 1 and 3, where it's more ambiguous as to motivation for your character (Rekindle the flame, extinguish the flame, etc.). The Curse of Undeath is largely the central focal point for Dark Souls 2, and NPCs like Vendrick and Aldia put emphasis on controlling the curse as well as harnessing the Dark, rather than outright curing it. Effectively granting immortality with no downsides, but such things are never truly without penalty. This brings me to the first bit of lore we get in Dark Souls 3 regarding Wolnir and Dark Souls 2: Soul of High Lord Wolnir: * "Lord Wornir of Carthus sentenced countless souls to gruesome deaths, keen to outlive them all." Wolnir has killed, or is responsible for killing, a lot of people. Which pretty much sums up any character in a Souls game. But the important bit of that description is the "keen to outlive them all" portion. Wolnir wanted to live forever. He wanted immortality. That is what harnessing the Curse of Undeath would bring. The most important and telling piece of lore for Wolnir in Dark Souls 3, however, lies in his crown: Wolnir's Crown: * "Crown of Wolnir, the Carthus conqueror." * "Once upon a time, such things were bequeathed judiciously to each of the rightful lords, until Wolnir brought them to their knees, and ground their crowns to dust. Then the crowns became one, and Wolnir, the one High Lord." What that description implies is pretty simple: Wolnir defeated Kings and took their crowns, whether directly or in roundabout ways is left ambiguous, but regardless, he did EXACTLY what the main character does in Dark Souls 2. He collected Crowns, and these Crowns, when brought together (and with a little help from King Vendrick's memory) effectively negate the negative aspects of the Curse of Undeath: you will no longer be affected by hollowing. After gaining this power, Wolnir ground up the crowns and created his new crown from their material. In fact, you could argue that Wolnir's Crown takes visual clues from the four crowns of Dark Souls 2. With his new crown and right to rule, Wolnir may have come to found the land of Carthus. Carthus is a relatively new addition to Dark Souls lore, as far as I'm aware. It's not like Astora or Anor Londo. It's never been touched on. Nor is it ever really established as "ancient", such as with places like the Profaned Capital or Drangleic. With the wonky flow of time going on in the Souls universe, Carthus could have been made between the events of Dark Souls 2 and 3. However, while Wolnir may of overcome the hollowing effect of the curse, he could not overcome what lies in the hearts of all men: Darkness. The Abyss. And so, while he may have been immortal, he was not immune to the grasp of the Dark: Wolnir's Holy Sword: * "A holy sword eroded by the Abyss. When Wolnir fell to the Abyss, he was gripped by a fear of true darkness, and pleaded to the gods for the first time." * "This holy sword, together with three armlets stripped from the corpses of clerics, gave him some semblance of comfort." Wolnir was now immortal, but was a prisoner of the Abyss, the deepest Darkness. The Circlets he wears are what keep him from plummeting completely into the Darkness, and thus, why breaking all three will end his fight and result in him falling beyond the reach of light (Literally, as he slides down the slope into the Abyss when defeated). Notably, he's one of the few bosses in the entire Souls series who doesn't "dissolve" upon defeat, but rather, simply leaves the arena. That's pretty much it, as far as direct lore connections go, but there is one other thing that's interesting regarding Wolnir and Carthus: The Shield of Want. The Shield of Want is a faded, corroded version of the "King's Shield" from Dark Souls 2, AKA, King Vendrick's Shield. A Shield the Protagonist creates through using the Soul of the King (Vendrick). There aren't a whole lot of items, gear-wise, that survived over from Dark Souls 2. And I mean DIRECT copies of things from Dark Souls 2, not things that are similar. There's Lucatiel's and Creighton's gear which serve as nostalgia fodder, and the Fume Ultra Greatsword, which is one of the biggest, heaviest, and most demanding weapons ever in any Souls game. There are also things like the Drakeblood set (The Drakebloods revered Dragons and their blood, explaining their appearance in Archdragon Peak) and the Faraam Set (The signature armor of Dark Souls 2), which make sense, as well as a couple great rings which survived over (Rings rarely often have a justification as to their obtain-ability). But why is an item as specific and unremarkable as the Shield of Want in Dark Souls 3? and why is it the only item that has visibly aged, as if from use? And why is it in a place with no explanation as to how or why it got there? The Shield is found in the smouldering lake, in the same area where the "Carthus Sandworm" lives. And the Sandworm fell from Carthus into the lake, as seen in the description for the "Yellow Bug Pellet": * "The grave wardens of Carthus used these to repel a great sand worm. The worm tumbled to the catacombs and proceeded to dominate its new home in the Smoldering Lake." So it's entirely possible that the shield fell from Carthus as well, but why would it have been there to begin with? What if Wolnir had it and either discarded or lost it, where it then fell into the Smouldering Lake? Like I said, it's not as clear a connection as the other information, and that stuff isn't all that clear to begin with (Such is the beauty of Dark Souls lore), but the implications can't really be denied either. That's all I've got on the subject, but until it's outright denied by FROM or a specific contradiction is revealed in-game, I'm sticking to my guns on this one.
Lordnuggetor xD fairly strong argument you've got and a great thinking process. You are correct He is the only boss to not disappear after being killed, because he is still immortal but he's slowly being drug down into the darkness.
The fact that Matpat belives that Patches is Siegward, makes me think that he didnt actually play the games. Maybe someone else wrote the script, and he only voiced it
You could deduce Hawkwood is a deserter of the undead legion from his armor and name, or you could, y’know, just read the description of his shield which states he’s a “deserter of the undead legion”
I feel like I should say this so.... the reason hawkwood deserted the abyss watcher(BTW my favourite boss) was because they laughed at him for using a shield instead of fighting with the more fast paced and crazy fighting style they adapted after drinking the great wolfs blood
I think he was wanting to know if anyone made that connection themselves on the first play through. Really it didn't seem like a secret to me either... at all... unlike literally 90% of the rest of the lore that I'd have probably never known without vaati
The unkindled is no mere hollow. The unkindled is somebody who linked the fire yet failed to contain its might, and was turned to ash. Therefor, it would be a player who completed the game.
The origins of your unkindled one is never explained. he/she is however awoken by the tolling bells signifying the age of fire. Why? Because you are Ash, unfit even to be cinder of the first flame. Try to Stay with me. From the first Dark Souls we know that prior to the emergence of the First Flame the world was void with 'humans' and ruled by the Everlasting Dragons. This period was known as the Age of Ancients. There is not much information about the relationship between Humans and Dragons during the Age of Ancients. But when the first flame came about and humans came from the Dark and ascended as Divine beings by the Lord Souls, the Balance of the world shifted and the Age of Ancients came to an End. So began the Age of Fire. I bring all this up because you play as Ash, unfit even to be Cinder in Dark Souls 3. And Dark Souls 3 takes place around the coming end of the Age of Fire, but it's still currently the Age of Fire. Now I ask, what purpose does an unkindled have in the world during the Age of Fire? If you think hard about it, there's nothing an unkindled is good for in a world that revolves around the flame. For an unkindled cannot prolong the flame as they are ( unless they attain Soul of Cinder*final boss* ). An Unkindled in summary is born into the world as an Undead, with the same humanly ambition to burn for the first flame( which is why The journey of an Undead has always traced the bonfires - description pulled from estus flask ), but ultimately your existence serves no purpose. This is made evident throughout the game as you burn an ember to enkindle yourself, but after death you lose that state. And because the Ashen one Longs to burn but cannot, his/her awakening for the events of Dark Souls 3 serves him/her an opportunity, the opportunity to finally serve a purpose by taking on the responsibility of being a Lord of Cinder by taking on the Soul of Cinder. The Unkindled in specific are awakened because they can finally serve a purpose, their Thirst for the first flame DRAWS them to the Lords of Cinder. They are pretty much hounds, set loose by the nature of the world. All in hopes to restore the balance of power in the world. Which is what you end up doing in Dark Souls 3. You WILL find the Lords of Cinder whether or not you choose to speak to specific NPCs ( Lord specific questlines ). You WILL face the Soul of Cinder. Then you will choose whether to Burn as a Lord of Cinder, Utilize that power to become the Dark Lord, Allow the Firekeeper to tend to the ember until the ember reignites the world, Or Smite your Firekeeper and take the last ember of the Age of Fire for yourself and consume it like any other consumable ember throughout your Journey as the Ashen One. Doing so would leave no trace of the First Flame remaining in the world for you are first and foremost Ash unfit even to be Cinder and your burn doesnt last long, bringing a final close on the Age of Fire.
I feel the need to point out that the age of fire continuing is against the will of the gods, it was supposed to move onto the age of dark but Gwynn worried about the fire dwindling and sought to rekindle it, thus committing the first sin.
So let me start off by venting some steam: *Please everybody stop using the character on the box art of DS1 to represent the player-character, everybody who knows the lore knows it's Artorias* Anyway, theory time. There's a HUGE gap here, and something that I hope you address in the next video. I know that it may seem like we were resurrected specifically to fight Lothric - but if that's the case, and with the other characters seeming to make direct beelines to their target while ignoring any other Lords, why do we bother to go around killing the other Lords? Wouldn't it make more sense, from a story perspective, to set you rabidly pursuing Lothric - only to realize once he's dead that there's a far larger struggle going on? Remember that every Unkindled is someone who "tried and failed" to link the fire - you're a last line of defense against the Age of Dark, and an extension of the Undead Curse. How are you a last line of defense? When "the Lords go without thrones," the Unkindled are animated in order to hunt them down - except, something doesn't make sense. There's very little mention of these characters in item descriptions, in conversations - Anri, Horace, Siegward, and Hawkwood are barely mentioned other than their actual appearances and their own armor. Granted, Siegward "made a promise long ago," but that doesn't explain why he'd be resurrected and not one of the humans that was killed when Yhorm destroyed his kingdom by linking the fire? Why Anri and Horace, and why both of them together? Why is Hawkwood an Unkindled, and not a Lord, when the Abyss Watchers as a whole linked the fire? The answer is that they all tried and failed to link the fire - that's important. Any character that was strong enough to even get to the Kiln must be formidable indeed, and yet none of them are strong enough to complete their tasks alone. Why is it that you improve when they do not? I do not know. The obvious fact is that you tried to link the fire and failed - but the big question is *when.* The fact is that your character can be from one of any of three eras - the first era of DS1, the second era of DS2, and the third era of DSIII. I tend to believe that your character dates back to at least DS2, as the linking of the fire was a more well-known ritual at that point. But it doesn't necessarily mean that your character is targeted specifically at Lothric. Lothric, in particular, is a "worthy Lord." But what does that entail? What about him makes him a Lord? We get a hint from Hawkwood when he speaks about Aldrich (a subject he seems to know a lot about) - "And they made him a Lord, not for virtue, but for power." Why would he be able to link the fire alone when your character, who is obviously "mighty" enough to defeat him, needs the embers from all five lords? The answer is he wouldn't. There would be other Lords. The Thrones were carved far, far before you existed - only the names on the plaques change. The Fire is fading, faster than ever. The Souls that are given are no longer sufficient. And it takes the strength of six Lords (yes, six, you marvelous Unkindled you) to relight the flame. The Lords abandoning their thrones is not unprecedented. Clearly there are contingencies in place. "When the fire fades, and the Lords go without thrones..." There's even a ritual associated with it that is known to the Firekeeper. The problem is, your character does NOT have a specific identity. This is purposeful. Your character can have all sorts of conflicting information just in their starting item descriptions - in one life, you might start as a Sorceror, with ties to the Dragon School of Vinheim; you might be a Knight with armor hailing from Astora; you may even be a Pyromancer hailing from the ever-mysterious Great Swamp. All the other Unkindled have names, and are reborn not only with some measure of their former strength but also with knowledge of their purpose, up to and including memories involving those they hunt. Why don't you have any memory of Lothric? Hell, we don't even see Lothric and Lorian in the opening cutscene. Your character starts off with knowledge of the other three Lords that abandoned their thrones - but not of Lothric and Lorian, those who were intended to link the fire in this age? That's fishy, especially when you're clearly claiming that we were the specific unkindled designated to hunt down those two. I will grant you, the one thing that does lend itself towards your theory is that the one place we seem to be able to "poof" to initially is the High Wall of Lothric. But where in Lothric do we spawn? In the outskirts. The edge of the High Wall. That's important because I believe that space where we spawn is a hidden shrine to the Gods and the linking of the Fire - blasphemous beliefs that have been outlawed in Lothric at large. With all this, if you did select a single "character" as being our Unkindled, then by the simple argument of "then why don't you always start off as ___" we can shoot it down. I cannot stress enough that your character does NOT have a specific identity; this is a player-insert. Your character is "your character" and nothing more, nothing less. What "backstory" you have is determined by your starting class and equipment. You don't necessarily associate with any of the Lords. And if you do, what's to say that the Unkindled associated with Lothric already failed his/her quest and fled, and you were initially intended to hunt down the meek (and obviously fearful) Ludleth should he decide to cut and run? It would fit. Every other Unkindled has either failed or given up. You may not know him personally, but who's to say your character isn't from the Courland that Ludleth speaks so fondly of? Even if you simply say "we were a person, maybe a sorceror, maybe a priest, maybe a warrior, in the service of Lothric" - well that answer is so general as to be laughable. We're a backup of a backup. In the event that the Unkindled specifically designated to kill a particular Lord fails or takes too long, we were summoned - "not for virtue, but for power." For all we know, Hawkwood's refusal to carry out his duty as an Unkindled may have been the trigger for our resurrection. We're not targeted, we're not specifically designated, and that makes sense - Lothric has condemned the fire-linking as a curse; who under his rule would dare attempt such a feat? The fact that we have so many questions surrounding our character's identity is a masterstroke by FromSoft - it keeps us asking, keeps us guessing. And they will only ever be answered by us, in our own unique ways. That is the main quality that makes Dark Souls an excellent game; that your character could have been literally anyone in a past life, could have done anything, and rises from being a human who is normal except for the fact that they can't die, to a being capable of bringing down dragons and gods. Such is the Curse of Fire.
Actually, it is Artorias stepping into the Abyss on the original release box art; it's been known to the fans since forever, as he clearly has the Shield of Artorias on his right arm, and is wielding some sort of sword (believed to be Artorias's Greatsword) in his left, opposite what any Dark Souls character would - Artorias, though, is now known to be left-handed, so his shield would be on his right. I believe the one who pointed this out to me initially was VaatiVidya in one of his videos, although which one I can't honestly remember right now. *ahem* Get it right before you try to shoot people down on the Internet otherwise no one will bother to read what you have to say. also, instead of debating something that has to do with my theory, which is for certain rather nebulous and open for discussion, you instead nitpick at the one thing that I'm actually certain about?
Hey UNSC. I agree generally with your rebuttal, but with regards to MatPat's statement on Hawkwood, I think you missed his point. It wasn't the clearest statement and he kind of glossed over the point, but it sounded to me like MatPat was saying that Hawkwood deserted the Abyss Watchers right BEFORE they went to try and light the flame. Solid rebuttal though. I'm curious to see what MatPat has to say in the continuation of his theory.
My theory is that your character DS3 is your character from DS2. If you look at the ending of scholar of the first sin, your character, an undead, decides to leave the kiln behind (based on the new ending added by SOTFS edition) and chooses instead to walk away seeking a more permanent solution to the undead curse, essentailly becoming the Dark lord (the one who brings about the age of Dark, which is meant to natrually follow the age of fire, before gwyn created the cycle of having to relight the fire, which basically broke the balance of nature by keeping the age of fire going and creating a loop in which no progress could be made as everything was in a state of constant and unnatural creation and destruction). Whats the third ending of Dark souls 3 that also involves the undead? (not unkindled, difference is very important for those who havent played the game). Wresting the power of the flame from the kiln and taking it unto yourself, becoming the Dark lord of the Sable church of Londor. But if we go back to what the video says, unkindled are those who failed to link the fire and essentially burnt away. Your character in Dark souls 2 goes on a long journey to try and find answers. He/she obtains three crowns and in the process gains the knowledge to show them that linking the fire is not the correct choice as it just keeps repeating the cycle. But, if you dont link the fire, some other undead who was resurrected likely would, as they would have no knowledge of the damage they are causing, thus restarting the cycle and burning away your character. But the unkindled are those undead brought back, with all their previous knowledge intact. SOOOO if your character from DS2 is brought back, he/she would know that linking the fire is bad, and with the flame as weak as it is, then they would know to accept the dark sign they were free of by being reborn as an unkindled back into themselves, making them a full fledged hollow again, and this time being able to take in the power of the first flame as they are now a being of both fire and dark (two sides of the same coin, yin and yang basically), and can thus let the age of Dark come about as there is LITERALLY NO FLAME FOR ANY OTHER UNKINDLED TO RELIGHT. The only way to do it would be to maybe kill your character and make a new kiln out of their corpse using a coiled sword. But considering how God tier strong your character would be by then, having slain all the Great Souls of Drangleic and then being reborn to slay the Lords of Cinder, along with having an army of undead, including anri, at your service and two of the three sisters of the Sable church as well? Nah, I dont think anyone, gwyn included could, espescially considering you basically killed gwyn by beating the Souls of Cinder boss (his last form is Gwyn mode). So the age of fire dies, and you go off with your wife anri (who you "marry" to get this ending), forming a new kingdom of Londor and ushering in the age of Dark. There, rabbit hole thoroughly jumped down.
It's a solid theory with a good foundation and a lot of thought put into it, but one thing that you may have overlooked is that DS2 is not a canon part of the same timberline as DS1 or DS3. Most people who played the first game would wonder why your character from the first game isn't in this one since they were able to link the flame, but they are in the game. The character you play as in the first game, if you choose to link the fire becomes part of the final boss of the third game(The soul of cinder), guarding the dying flame. Almost nothing from DS2 is in the third one, the main thing from the second game I could find is Gilligan's body in the Profaned Capital surrounded by gold and silver. I'd love to be proven wrong, and I do hope your theory is right if I am.
Sasha Blackbird it happens like 3 times and you even see a part of the cutscene where he betrays you. Him not editing it shows that he didn’t do his research correctly and instead just did one play through probably not even finding siegward
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Dear Angry Commenters:
1. I didn't delete VaatiVidya's comment. I NEVER delete comments. RUclips refreshes comment threads all the time to show more recent ones. His is probably buried in the 55,000 others the video has.
2. Sorry we showed Patches' head on Siegward. The editors do a lot of Google Image searching, especially for franchises they're not as familiar with, and while I thought it was weird to see Siegward's face (I didn't remember it from my playthroughs and was something that, as I was giving notes gave me a red flag), I had forgotten that Patches steals his armor and didn't fully check it out. But one minor mistake like that shouldn't discount the theory, undermine my enthusiasm for this franchise, or prompt the rage you guys are sending.
3. Yes, a lot of this is basic -- but I can't assume people know ANYTHING about Dark Souls and I want everyone to appreciate the lore of the series. The next episode gets REALLY deep, so I had to start everyone on the same level so next week's follow-up will make sense.
I side with MatPat lol
Loved this video! Can't wait till the next one!
The Game Theorists thanks
Aaaw, and I was hoping for some major mindblow due to the Patches/Siegward thing :/
I'm a little surprised (though I shouldn't be) that this many people got all fired up about the Patches thing.
MattPat: I have an interesting theory about Dark Souls Lore!
Vaatividya: Hold my Estus Flask
Vaatividya: let me just steal someone else's ideas and make them my own
Marilia Silva Well Vaati has certainly never taken credit for making Souls lore his own. He simply expounds on it the same way Mattpat has opened up FNAF for many ppl.
Papa Hawkshaw would have to say something about that.
@@mariliasilva1391 Get out.
What did he say
In defense of reptitive plot it’s supposed to show a cycle that keeps repeating but needs to end it actually does a good job of telling that if you see the story of all the npcs
"...99% of players will never really appreciate the lore."
The entire Dark Souls fanbase: Do you even know who I am?
You mean the guys that watch VaatiVidya once? Yeah okay
@@littlemoth4956 and You think VaatiVidya is working alone to find out the lore? yeah okay.
@@littlemoth4956 You realize Vaati has tons of videos on his version of the lore and its work that he got help with from many sources. Vaati gives the most based and realistic vision of how the lore plays out and people like it because based on what the game gives us its the most likely way the lore actually went about.
I am a dark souls fan and I never understood the lore so yea
I think you seriously underestimate the souls borne community; we are one of the most dedicated out there.
Siegward doesn’t get summoned. He just walks in with you if you did all his quest stuff
Exactly
“Why is there no long dialogue?”
Miyazaki: “You wouldn’t get it.”
Matpat didn’t have to look that far into hawkwood, since the item description of his weapons and armour say that he was a deserter from the undead legion
Say what you will about these videos, but this is how I got into Dark Souls.
Me too
I got into it from Austin’s video on the music
Same. This theory is actually the backstory I settled on for my character. I view the corpse atop the Castle as a diversion. Whoever that turned out to be wasn't the true 3rd Blackhand in my headcanon; it was someone the King sent up there to stall the tougher Winged Knights
Same here
Same
Hawkwood's shield also, ya know, just straight up tells you he is a deserter. You don't even have to look at his name or armor.
Item Description of Hawkwood's Shield:
"Shield that belonged to Hawkwood, a deserter from the Undead Legion. The unique swordsmanship of the Watchers does not normally allow for the use of a shield, and Hawkwood's very possession of it was telltale of his defeat.
Andrew Ryan i also noticed that
someone skiped a few item descriptions!!! but really though what research are you doing if you don't even read about the armor set of the character you are researching?
Pretty much sums this episode up. I know everyone has to start somewhere, but this is still a pretty shallow theory. He's talking about this when my shower thoughts are questioning whether or not Aldrich ate Nito. You know, light stuff.
I thought that Aldrich dreamed of nito thats how he has the gravelord sword
Panagiotis Doxopoulos Probably, but I like to think he ate Nito. It makes him cooler.
Yeah after all it's plural so... Maybe he ate him
10:50 - ouch!
Oh hi pruld :)
Non preoccuparti, si sono resi conto dell'errore
Welcome Pruld!
ikr
WHERE IS THE THIRD EPISODE OSCAR?!
"Magical fire" in dark souls is just called "fire"
This theory gives me conniptions.
Conniptions
I love that phrase
Can’t even die right
Who said that
@@dexterityisbetterthanstren8961 the guy who likes to talk about the abyss watchers in firelink
THUMBS UP FOR PATCHES FOOLING MATPAT INTO THINKING HE'S THE ONION KNIGHT.
Baccea - it was bothering me too. Makes me question how much this guy actually paid attention to the game.
Actually Patches fooled the editors.
don't mention it or you'll get your comment deleted like vaati
imgur.com/a/9qLGV
Don't bother, he's deleting all the comments pointing out he's wrong, even Vaati himself. imgur.com/a/9qLGV
Wow. Is this real life?
why is Gwyndolin the god of the moon ?
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Because hes not a very good sun *kill me
He is not a god, he is the son of a god and was treated as a woman because he did not worship the sun, but the moon...
=3 i get it
CJ00014 He's also the original gaming Trap
Realy. Dude realy BAD pun ...
I Love it
That...That.....Was amazing
Lol you don't realize the community you just walked into.
For real tho
Git gud
Oh man i had to go to the comments after that one😂
@submalevolent grace
It's a closely knit fanbase
MatPat walked up to the community, shirtless and with open arms... only to get punched into oblivion by a giant mushroom man
I laugh every time someone says Dark Souls is hard. Then they laugh when I tell them how I'm laughably bad at Mario games...
Cant relate cuz im master in both
I'm on the same boat, man
I managed to beat the dancer of the boreal valley on my third try and I can’t get pass the first zone of classic Sonic. :p
2 completely different games with different kinds of difficulty
@@RandomPerson-cm2wg I am embarrassed to say that is the same for me...
"Siegward is my favourite character"
>Shows a picture of Patches
*Gif of Jim looking into the camera from The Office*
Did he even play the game?!
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sMAXtie lol. probably not
He's not the one that edits the videos so it's possible the editor doesn't know the difference between the two; I think matpat only does the voice-overs
>Siegward of Caterina
*YOU JUST GOT PATCH'D*
“My favorite character”
I hate these unbreakable patches
Squidward of the cafeteria?
Patches helped you you Dark souls 3?
Lol
Matpat that's not Siegward of Catarina, that's patches someone who is in every dark souls games and trolls u. In dark souls 3 he steals Siegward's armour who is somebody your character trusts and trolls u by that identity. You can actually find Siegward later on in the game in a hole where u can give back his armour and then later on he helps you defeat Yorhm the giant which they have a cool back story together but I'm not gonna say every detail cause this message would be really long.
Jason hes not in every dark souls, they are different people that happen to share a first name and general manners
Barnesrino Kripperino he's in every damned one.
I know from experience
he is even in demon souls...
samuel shaw they are different patches
Patches is in every FromSoft game as far as I know. A character named Patches anyway, and he's always a dick
Neirad Shiruani Patches isn't in Dark Souls 2.
Matpat: If darksouls *was* a tv show
its called berserk
Yeah , dark souls took heavy inspiration from berserk.
Read the manga you heathen
Put your grasses on
@@pillbox2235 i dont read manga but i aint watching such a butchered port of spmething i know is good
@@skiffy8121 manga usually comes first. Then the anime. The anime leave out a lot of things FROM THE MANGA.
The Lords of Cinder aren't just people who Linked the Fire; they're people who were strong enough to SURVIVE the process and became protectors of the First Flame.
All the others who Linked the Flame died in the process.
CdrChaos a little late, but yeah, that’s the point. Everyone in the game is basically dead, they got revived
The people who died remain as chosen undeads/ashen ones
That's not entirely right. The Lords of Cinder were strong enough to REACH the first flame. Almost anyone can link it, it's the journey there that's hard.
No one else linked the fire besides the Lords and the chosen undead. Those who died, died because the were defeated by the Lord of Cinder.
@Juggled Lotus she might just be rosaria
The chosen undead is a prime example of this, so you shouldn't have needed to say this.
My theory is that once I get this game, I can play it and come up with my own theory.
LOL
Megazap22 good attempt
Remember to roll
CrockpotStadium w
You CrockpotStadium a
I'm curious to what VaatiVidya wrote now.
VaatiVidya would hate this video.
@@honeycrisp3084 now i know
Makes you wonder, why matpat don't just collap with the famous people of the specific niches.
Here with Vaati and for the for honor 1v1v1 fight with stallagrim.
Would've eased the nerds and the normies wouldn't've cared either way.
Above you
Vaati says "yikes."
Anri is actually not necessarily a she, Anri is always the opposite gender of the player.
I've only ever encountered Anri as a dude, I'm not dissagreeing, just proving your point
Jacob Lister Have you played as a male? Because ive played as both for different runs and cosplays and challenges and it does completely go on the gender of your player.
He voice is hot as male.
The world will darken and they shall be my husband/wife/partner
ye because of the wedding
The model is always female
Who would win
The entire dark souls plot line
Or
Sum wood
@Kyle Fratini wood, burning, kindling, lighting the fire
Wood
Wood
Wood
Wood
Theory - What if VaatiVidya is actually Miyazaki?
A much better theory than in this vid.
Cyrrus Dragheskjold who it's like you read my mind
VaatiVidya is that op dark souls player I always see pwning people on streams right?
11:59
ummmm....Matpat...that's not Seigward. That's Patches, wearing Seigward's armor. He steals it from Seigward outside the chapel of the deep. The real Seigward never takes his armor off through the entire game, so you can't see his face without glitching the camera inside his helmet...
TheBoundFenrir Finaly someone!
TheBoundFenrir neither does Anri but he used glitches to get that. quite a shame to not show us that handsome stach.
I knew a pleb like him would make that mistake.
TheBoundFenrir ikr. this guy has no idea
he even mixed up "Seigward" with Ani's placement at 14:09
I’ve done some deep thinking since this video and come to a conclusion.
(My theory implies this videos theory is correct which I believe to be true so take this with a pinch of salt.)
If the player is the third black hand that’s cool but what bothers me is “what was his name?”
If you type “Black Hand..” into the character creator name slot you’ll notice you have 6 spaces left (1 for a gap so 5)
This means the player characters name was 5 letters long.
Black Hand Gotthard’s name means:
“as strong as God”
Black Hand Kamui’s name means:
“Gods authority”
Judging by this theme then the third Black Hand has a 5 letter name meaning something to do with god.
I did a seriously ridiculous amount of time searching names related to god and found few that fit the 5 letters and “God’s ...” guideline, so I gave up.
Months later I chose to replay Dark Souls 2 (Forgive me..), throughout the game you can summon an NPC called Drifter Swordsman Aidel.
My name is Drifter so I see him as a brother of sorts, anyway I chose to google his name and it means “God’s gift”
5 letters long and means something to do with god
The name of the third Black Hand and possibly the player character is most likely Aidel.
This opens a new question: is Drifter Swordsman Aidel the Dark Souls 3 protagonist many years before he became a Black Hand member???
Thank you if you read this far, you’re awesome and I hope you liked my theory
That’s awesome
This is a better theory, thank you.
@@gedewahyu.p thanks man :)
Okay, this is bothering me: the image you keep showing for Siegward isn't Siegward. It's Patches wearing Siegward's armor.
Thank you! It's a minor thing, but it was bugging the crap out of me.
THANK YOU! I stated that aloud
\*-*/
Yeah it kept bugging me the whole time
yeah siegward is a handsome fella with nice hair not that double crossing rat patches
my theory: youre actauly drunk at a party next to a fireplace and you fell asleep. boom its just a dream
Krixx L 'Tis but a hunters dream all along...
My theory is that you play as a guy that has simply nothing to do... He just sits on the couch bored, when one guy came up and was like "Hey, you think you can assassinate someone for me" to as which he replied with "Yeeh" and he got up dusted the Cheeto dust off his coat and left for adventure.
Please Mat I'm broke.
J'bril Johnson This guy right here deserves a copy😂
*THATS ACTUALLY PATCHES THE UNBREAKABLE BUT IM NOT TRYING TO START TROUBLE*
Krispheos V1 omg thank you for saying that I was getting mad at these comments bc no one was saying anything
@@danielramirez8695 Yea thanks for the extra sarcasm man i rlly needed this notification at 6:36 in the morning
Krispheos V1 I was being fr....
Hey I just wanted to post here because it's 2:40 am and you kinda acted like a donkey toward Daniel. Hope you notifications are on :p
SINCE WHEN DOES EITHER OF THEM WIELD THE STORMRULER DKSKDKSKDKKDKSKSKSKSKSKKFMEFXJFJHIHSDVIHBFSNDRIHFRS
That wasn't Siegward... that's Patches in his armor.
darknessscythe1 THANK YOU!
darknessscythe1 That does look like something he WHOULD look like!
Rocky The guy
I would never expected a hyena like, vaseline covered bald sly guy to sound bombastic and silly like Siegward...
Correct
THANK YOU!!
Actually, hollowing is the outcome of losing one's hope and goals in life. If you lose that which drives you to achieve your dreams, you hollow. If you succeed in making your dream a reality and think to yourself: "Well... that's cool. Now what?" You hollow.
Why am i not hollowing then.....
Mikaela Yuu too real... PepeHands
_ TheBlaiZe actually it’s not...having a goal and something to fight for just slows the hollowing process. It’s even stated by by onion knight in dark souls 1, and then the idea is re-affirmed in the lucatiel story in dark souls 2 and then in dark souls 3 after helping siegward kill Yhorm he dies regardless of the fight. Not because he instantly hollows, he has hollowed during his own journey to get to thorn and when yhorm finally dies and that being siegwards finally purpose he does as well.. so the idea of having a “goal” or purpose has been stated since ds1 so SLOW the process but never stop it.
You may succeed .... but in your victory you will find no manner of success within your heart.
If you want to talk in reality, then you are wrong, success in goals will find you ultimate relief from hollowing if you have found the right goal, if you chase the goal you are not whole heartedly going for and yet manage to succeed, you feel fooled by your success and empty because what you want hasn't come to fruition. Victory to the right goal, your ultimate purpose will give you success in your heart, and when you succeed at that, you will have succeeded in everything else you could possibly want, you are content and nothing will be able to gnaw at your conscience...
The main character is obviously Bill from accounting.
No it's Jake. From Statefarm.
The Madd Hatter: no it's flo from gico
No it's the Gieco lizard
its bill from state farm
Cody H damnit you beat me to it
Everybody: Focuses on the dude talking about lighting a fire. Me: Why is he playing league of legends with a controller
I'm sorry I "have" to correct you, MatPat, but! the character at 11:57 is NOT Siegward himself! It's actually the character Patches in disguise, after he stole Siegwards armor.
Kylekashi MatPat's favorite character huh
Kylekashi You can get Siegwards armor back
Kylekashi
Blados360 im sure he knows that. but that is patches
Kylekashi it's sad he did all this research and still messed that up.
Siegward your favorite character? Good job not even realising that's not him
Hey, you're not a cleric are you? There are some trinkets that I'll share with you in that hole. Friend.
And Patches has fooled yet another one, just more loot to add to the pit I suppose.
I want to give him a high five because of that... with a chair.
+VC12x I don't know how people still don't know this, but MatPat doesn't edit his videos. It was most likely an editor's mistake, especially since they used Artorias from the DS1 box art as a stand-in for the main character.
I like how you parallels from hawkwoods armor and name, but just playing the game will tell you for certain he was an abyss watcher and you fight him at the abyss watcher bonfire
Yo it's 2020, y'all can read the pinned comment. We know it isn't Patches.
What it’s 2020 man I did NOT know that
THANK YOU 🙌
Doesn’t excuse it
@@dimlydumbor934 it does
The Main character of Dark Souls 3 is me, because I am also dead inside.
MrSkyerGaming XD SAME BRO SAME!!!
F
In a Taiwanese interview with Miyazaki, he defines unkindled as those who:
"didn't succeed in linking the fire and becoming cinder, but failed and burned to nothing. Unkindled is born out of their remaining ashes".
The Ocelotte theory is nice, but considering this..it doesn't really make sense. Considering your timeline, I doubt you could even say Ocelotte took on the soul of cinder and failed.
Some other commenters are rightly pointing out that Orbeck has a connection to the Twin Princes, as he can be summoned for their fight and can die in the Archives, and is probably Unkindled.
eh
- Vaati
Juan Tenorio this will probobaly be deleted too
After a scanthrough of the lore of the dark souls universe (Vaati videos), I have concluded that the identity of the ashen one does not matter. In fact I would argue that the identity of the ashen one is deliberately left anonymous by Fromsoft to enhance the immersive atmosphere of Dark Souls.
Take into account the description of the starting classes you choose at the start of dark souls 3.
The Knight reads: "An obscure knight of poor renown who collapsed roaming the land. Sturdy, owing to high vitality and stout armor." - Source: Fextralife wiki (since I didn't pay attention to the class descriptions when I chose my class and instead looked for best armour).
Aside from this all other information that directly links with the player character is in the descriptions of the starting gifts, and they are even more vague than the misc. items you discover throughout the game (Worker's trousers has more lore than these).
Hell, even the NPCs of the souls games belittles the player character, take into account Eygon of Carim. When you first meet him he is not even remotely courteous to you, instead saying things like: "All you faceless Undead, behaving as if you deserve respect."
By giving us little lore about our own characters and giving so many hints and references to the bosses we slay and the npcs we meet increases the opressive atmosphere of the game and raises the presence of the bosses. That is unlike games such as WoW, your character is no hero, and no chosen one. Rather than being told you are great you start as the bottom feeders of the barrel that is the souls universe, and you claw your way up and when you finally beat the challenges the game throws at you, it just feels that much sweeter.
-Note to the people you clicked read more:
Oh you poor souls, don't read it, it doesn't make that much sense. I'm gonna re-write it when I feel like it.
Are you cold? Oh, good hunter.
And Patches isn't OnionBro, what is this blasphemy? Do you even praise the sun?
you have obviously got this all wrong especially this section
"By giving us little lore about our own characters and giving so many hints and references to the bosses we slay and the npcs we meet increases the oppressive atmosphere of the game and raises the presence of the bosses. That is unlike games such as WoW, your character is no hero, and no chosen one. Rather than being told you are great you start as the bottom feeders of the barrel that is the souls universe, and you claw your way up and when you finally beat the challenges the game throws at you, it just feels that much sweeter."
it us sounds like rambling, of course the main character(s) has a level of importance in the game because if not, you have to ask yourself, why did Oscar pick you? you meant something to the world of lordran in order for him to select you to carry the torch.
psst, the point is that it makes no sense
@@aa391212 Technically,Oscar didn't choose you. He just picked whoever was left in the Asylum.
You should say don't read at the start
I love Vaatividya. I love MattPat. It's so weird seeing people get mad about other people loving a video game.
Lets not talk about his fnaf theorys where he uses book
@@izawa9211 Oh you mean those things that are actual canon?
The picture of siegward that he used is a picture of patches!
he also used the cutscene of patches after he stole siegward's armor and then takes off his helmet and waves
I wonder how many people will point out that you showed patches not sig.
Too many to count. . .
I found that when he mentioned that all three unkindled have bosses related to them, he swapped Yhorm and Aldritch.
i would if i didnt see this comment
a lot
Sieg* you filthy Zelda casual
I'm pretty sure Mat put Patches face in place of Siegwards. In the game Patches steals Siegwards' armour and tricks the player. You never actually are able to see Siegwards' face in the game at all.
Kerk Deller yep, they FUCKED UP
Jerry Sosa this triggered me.
Kerk Deller I noticed. It bothered the hell out me.
Kerk Deller you can see his face through his helmet, he looks like ken bone.
Probably the animator, who might not have played darksouls, google imaged it, and found one of patches.
I think giving the firekeeper her eyes and summoning her, that ending is strangely comforting...
Hey, MatPat. That picture you have of Seigward is actually Patches, reoccurring dillweed and merchant, wearing Seigwards armor.
Dont bother, he's deleting all the comments pointing stuff like this out. Even Vaati himself.
imgur.com/a/9qLGV
There are 2 Genders wow seriously he is going that petty
Wait did he actually delete Vaati's comment?
Blame their editors, Matpat would've known better.
Showing a picture of Patches when talking about Siegward...damn matt you fucked up
the video was cool and gave me some tidbits I didn't know about but yeah...the picture fuckup with Patches being rubbed on my face over and over and over again really put me off this episode.
Especially when you can clip the camera through Onion Bro's helmat.
I could not stop screaming in my head.
Its not patches either
Of course it's Patches what are you talking about? The picture used in this vid is from the cutscene when Patches traps you in the Catheral of the Deep. Qick google search will prove it to you
11:58 that...that's not Siegward. the man in the cutscene taking off his helmet is Patches pretending to be Siegward.
Matt probably just made the research and recorded the audio! Maybe the guy that edits made the mistake... But hey, is just a theory...
Havoc Zephyr mat pat said that he played through the game at least once. I'm assuming he put the picture of patches because he just wanted a picture, while there are no pictures of seigward
The Generic An EDITINNNG THEORY thanks for reading...
Matpat has a habit of pretending to like series he actually knows nothing about. He does his research, but just enough to get away with the farce.
StinStin you do realize that the video is edited by someone else and not Matt right? You sent really that stupid I hope.
Mat you walking into the dark souls community is great but i mean, why not go talk with Vaati and compare notes? also praise the sun \[T]/
Or just.......anyone in the community at least
Read the pinned comment
turtle bomb You both really need to shut up.
Idk why Dark Souls fans think everything that talks about any lore/story/theories about Dark Souls needs to be discussed through Vaati and no one else.
@@Freelancer837 exactly. But I'm not hating on Vaati because he helped me understand some of the lore
Damn it Marat. That's not siegward, that's patches. C'mon man.
Sebastian Blackheart Damn it Sebastian. That's not Marat, that's MatPat. C'mon man.
14:10 GOD DAMN IT EDITOR, YOU HAD ONE JOB!
Potatou-san hahahahahah funny 😂😂😂
what?
i dont get it too
The lords of cinder are not correlated to the correct NPCs.
lol
I think the main character is me because I'm actually dead inside
I personally prefer the idea that we’re connected to Ludleth. Ludleth is always nice to us, so to be honest it’s nice to imagine. But also, he was the only one who stayed upon being reborn, similar to us, because we are the only one of the unkindlsd we see who’s goal never wavers. Much like Ludleth, we are almost a nobody, a extra, a blank slate that managed to fill a vacuum, yet will die a colossus. Also, if I’m not mistaken The Brothers aren’t technically lords of cinder in the sense of the rest, because their twisted soul was never sacrificed to the first flame.
Anyway that’s my two cents, and it’s mostly based off of headcannon
Patches: I'm Siegward of Catarina.
--OK.
Right?
Interesting theory, except there's one NPC you've forgotten about. One that could be seen as opposed to Lothric and Lorian. A Scholar, not unlike the ones who tutored the young Prince, who was perhaps sent to make amends for the mistakes of his peers by helping you subdue the final Lord; Orbeck of Vinheim.
All of Lothric's family are steeped in Sorcery; Oceiros is attempting to follow in Seath's footsteps, the Grand Archives are geographically located atop the old Duke's Archives and Lothric himself uses a unique form of Faith-based Crystal magic. He shares a physical resemblance to Priscilla, Seath's crossbreed daughter with Gwynevere from the first game, who also represents a melding of Faith and Sorcery.
What you first meet Orbeck, he has set up a makeshift study in the swamp, and immediately after finding him, you encounter the Crystal Sage boss, an enemy later found in the Grand Archives. The Crystal Sage seems pretty out of place in the swamp, unless it was attempting to track down and stop Orbeck at the behest of the other Scholars. When you meet Orbeck at Firelink Shrine, he says; "No matter the victim's stature, every killing has a consequence..." He specifically mentions that the victim's status doesn't matter, whether it's a commoner or even a member of the Royal Family.
He also confesses to being more of an Assassin than a Sorcerer. His armour, the Clandestine Coat, states; "These were covert agents who excelled at manipulating sound", maybe hinting that Orbeck's aural Sorcery and training as an Assassin makes him a prime candidate to kill the largely handicapped Royal Family of Lothric; Oceiros is blind, Lorian is lame and Lothric is frail, and all of them have their eyes obscured in some way, meaning they would most likely rely on sound, something Orbeck can use to his advantage. It's also interesting that the only fight you can summon him for is Lothric and Lorian.
Further, Yuria of Londor, who wants the Fire to fade, tells you to kill Orbeck, perhaps because it was Orbeck's task to subdue the Prince, just like it was Anri, Siegward and Hawkwood's task to topple their respective Lords. She goads you by telling you he threatens your position as Lord of Hollows. If you trust Yuria and kill Orbeck, that's perhaps one less person to persuade you to link the Fire, allowing Yuria's, and by extension the Lords of Cinder's, plans to come to fruition instead.
JamuThatsWho the crystal sage you found at farron keep wasnt there to kill orbeck it simply there because one of the crystal sage is siding with farron undead legion (you found the other one in grand archives) its stated in the coal you found in farron keep (forgot the name of the coal).
also orbeck is too minor for a character to influence lothric.he was a sorcerer but not a scholar (it is stated in some item that the one who influence lothric is a scholar from grand archives) orbeck said this himself
I remember seeing something about the Sage teaching Sorcery to the Farron Legion, but it's not the Farron Coal description, it's the Soul of the Crystal Sage, which says he allied with Farron.
Also, that doesn't necessarily mean he wasn't also there to stop Orbeck as a secondary mission. Perhaps he even taught Sorcery to the Farron Legion to help stop the Ashen One and Orbeck? Since none of them want the Fire to be kindled.
He isn't an Archive Scholar, but perhaps he was sent by Vinheim, since maybe the end of the Age of Fire means the end of the ability to study Sorcery.
JamuThatsWho I was going to read this but then I clicked "read more"
I don't blame you honestly.
JamuThatsWho Okay, but why would he suddenly decide "Yep, I want to kill him and link the fire now?
Talks about Siegwatd, shows a picture and a clip of Patches...
ikr!? It was so cringe worthy.
dubashroomXD "I have 20 pages of research" still uses patches face and doesn't even elaborate on Hawkwood's Bloodgrass or shield
yeah, it was bad bad
then later when he show the 3 anri, siegward and hawkwood with yhorm, the abyss watcher and aldrich, he links siegward to aldrich and anri to yhorm...
dubashroomXD Yea but I undestand him I mean we dont see siegwards face only from patches
You didnt mention that at the end of hawk woods questline he fights you with the farron greatsword.
All the Unkindled are related to one boss that is a Lord of Cinders (Hawkwood -The Abyss Watchers, Siegward - Yhorm, Anri and Horace - Aldrich) so the main character might be related to Lothric - The Younger Prince, they might be a scholar that influenced Lothric making him think that linking the flame is a mistake. Later, he might have been punished by the royal family and was tasked with linking the flame which we undoubtedly failed at.And now we're resurrected to right the past and link the flame. Also, we find The Ashen Estus Ring in the location of your grave in the Untended Graves (the past) supporting the theory that we were related to the royal family in someway but most likely not a member of the family since there are no mentions about another son in any item descriptions, which leaves the possibility that we might have been the one of the scholars that taught Lothric.
True and lets all think back to Dark Souls one. We can all remember a certain knight that was pushed away from being a part of the royal family correct. perhaps our character has a similar role. Maybe we were erased from the annals of history like the great sun knight long ago.
Yuuki Tsukino sirris goes with the twin princes
+Solid Steven Orbeck. Summonable, later dead in the library.
+Yuuki Tsukino Well, this is as plausible as the video. Point is, your character could have been a slave knight, a seeker of knowledge, a merchant, a wanton murderer, a knight, a barbarian, a naked guy with a stick. The backstory is in your head. You create the character, you give them a class, scars, tatoos, blind eyes, you set them up to match your vision, and in that time you are creating where they came from. But, to enter this world, and for your character to be able to play out the personality you have given them, you need a bridge - Miyazaki's quote. It's basically the "why is my character here". The game never forces a backstory for you, it only gives you the tools to play out the character. Still, I feel like your take on your character might have been fun to play out, so kudos. :-) The only thing that connects us, the moment you drop your character, and deleted/never played them again, they have lost their will, and they have become hollow.
The unkindled one related to Lothric and Lorian is, in fact, Orbeck of Vinheim. He's sent as an assasin, and you can summon him before the twin princes fight.
He's not from Dark Souls 1, the son of Gwyn. That one is the Nameless King.
>Siegward
>Shows Patches
Afanasii Kamenkoi my thoughts exactly
Afanasii Kamenkoi That bugged me the entire video.
Yeah that triggered me a bit too
He's actually a man in a rabbit suit
The editors (not Mat tho) weren’t familiar with the game. They picked a picture of Patches in Siegward’s armor. They didn’t know
Not Important but that wasn't a picture of siegward that was patches
Sebastian Pott that was patches
hmmmmmm...
This bothered me so much T.T
Gives me conniptions.
Someone call vaati
6:24 When you now know that it's not your character on Dark Soul 1 jacket.... but Artorias himself.... Cannot be unseen....
So why exactly did you use a picture of patches for siegward?
Enclave Sympathiser because he doesn't know what he's talking about, hence why he hasn't done anything with it before.
...but Austin's video was a hit, so gotta tailcoat his success.
@TheSleepJunkie, sorry dude but could you do better?
I doubt he can.. but everything MatPat told us in this video already been told by another souls lore hunter like Vaatividya, DaveControl, The Ashen Holow, and others and theirs are more deeper than this.. I'm coming here hoping there're something I miss from watching them, but nope.. it all still the same..
*For those of you who don't want to sit through the 15 minute long video:*
_In Dark Souls 3, the main character is actually Ness._
you're welcome
XD
funny but I kinda hate you for making that joke
Now he's going to get hate for his theory of who X is again. Let just hope the fans aren't as harsh as the games.
Wait so if the main character is ness that means... Dark souls three main character is sans confirmed.
Excuse me sir,
The face you keep using for Seigward of Catarina is actually the face of Patches. Patches appears in previous Dark Souls game as 'the character that always tricks you' and he also appears in other Miyazaki games. Just making sure you are aware.
that's definitely his editor's mistake not him
Josh Ringling I noticed that too, dude. Minor mistake in my opinion. It was the closed you could get to a face for him.
Thanks for the awareness, but I think thats the point. In dark souls 3 Patches tricks you into thinking he is Seigward, same as the editor here. (Or maybe Patches made a fool of the editor, that would be sooo fiting).
2:06 playing LoL with an xbox controller .... interesting technique XD
BoxBox did it with a Ps4 controller so its possible
Ha, you haven's seen chile's news channels.
must be a yassuo main
Lol try using a mouse and keyboard
This a god tier comment
My theory is that fromsoft purposefully doesn't tell you your backstory so you can make it up for your self like all good rpgs do
Antwain Jackson It is an RPG.
Antwain Jackson its a textbook rpg in every way except story telling lmfao
CobraKing Gaming 24 it does though
You have multiple choices for your backstories. Either the one Matt presents, or your very own. I went with a mix of Matt's and the idea that the Dark Souls universe is a Limbo of sorts, Lords of Cinder going to a better afterlife while those who don't become Lords suffer, and the Lords being brought back is them being dragged through the gates to heaven/hell/oblivion/wherever to redo what they did to pass on because whatever revived them began to get desperate. The Ages are just the beings who determined when they could move on, age of the Ancients were the dragons_ who desired eternal servitude from mortals, age of fire is Gwyn/the gods_ who wants to keep the fire alive to prevent the dragons from taking over again, and the age of dark/hollows would be the humans_ Who would pass on rather quickly.
Except that no good rpg actually does that. It's impossible to tell a compelling story about a person with no history.
I hope you know that the bald guy you portrayed as Siegward, was actually Patches...
there both the same.
+Undead Anime They're not. They're two separate characters.
no theyre not... do you become someone by using their armor? NOPE
How coincidental that he can't even recognize his FAVOURITE CHARACTER in his FAVOURITE GAME, almost like he never played it...
Vaati has all ready said stuff about each person be linked to one of the lords
Yeah. Isn't it funny that we already have had at least two people Vaati and Silver Mont talk about everything to do with the lore. We already have our resident experts in Souls lore researching things.
yet we watch mat because he always pulls a spin on things that we never thought about, so I'm really interested in some of the things he will say.
Alfred Lowe tru
Jonah Keiffer Yeah, I hate how MatPat keeps getting away with taking theories from the Internet and presents them like he "cracked the code" without acknowledging or crediting where he got it from.
The Game of Thrones videoes on the Film Theory channel are the worst offenders were most of the theories he presented like he discovered them were almost 20 years old! Like Jon Snows parentage was theorized correctly after the second book and some quick googling shows you that...
it is still more interesting this way
I really want those damn dark souls notes
u made me laugh man I was just thinking about that line
Nice pfp
Open notepad, turn on captions, from the beginning, copy down every line of subtitles.
My theory (think its pretty good):
There's something about Wolnir that's been bothering me. Like a lot of things in Dark Souls, there are tons of descriptions relating to Wolnir that seem to be dead-end fiction, but the other enemies all have explanations as to their presence (The Abyss Watchers follow Artorias' footsteps, the Old Demon King is the last remnant of the Chaos Flame, the Nameless King may or may not be the son of Gwyn who fell from grace, etc.).
Meanwhile, Wolnir and the entire area related to him just kind of feel like a stepping stone for getting to other places. Even the Smouldering Lake has deeper Lore than the Catacombs of Carthus. You encounter a big scary skele-man, break his things, then move on. There's almost no impact from the fight other than "Surprise!"
But reading anything I could find about Wolnir revealed some subtleties that make me think of Dark Souls 2. Given some of the descriptions and implications, it's got me thinking that Wolnir might be the Protagonist from Dark Souls II...
Here's the breakdown of what's got me thinking this:
In Dark Souls 2, the Protagonist is motivated for almost entirely selfish purposes: To resolve their curse of undeath. Which is unlike the Protagonists of Dark Souls 1 and 3, where it's more ambiguous as to motivation for your character (Rekindle the flame, extinguish the flame, etc.).
The Curse of Undeath is largely the central focal point for Dark Souls 2, and NPCs like Vendrick and Aldia put emphasis on controlling the curse as well as harnessing the Dark, rather than outright curing it. Effectively granting immortality with no downsides, but such things are never truly without penalty.
This brings me to the first bit of lore we get in Dark Souls 3 regarding Wolnir and Dark Souls 2:
Soul of High Lord Wolnir:
* "Lord Wornir of Carthus sentenced countless souls to gruesome deaths, keen to outlive them all."
Wolnir has killed, or is responsible for killing, a lot of people. Which pretty much sums up any character in a Souls game. But the important bit of that description is the "keen to outlive them all" portion. Wolnir wanted to live forever. He wanted immortality. That is what harnessing the Curse of Undeath would bring.
The most important and telling piece of lore for Wolnir in Dark Souls 3, however, lies in his crown:
Wolnir's Crown:
* "Crown of Wolnir, the Carthus conqueror."
* "Once upon a time, such things were bequeathed judiciously to each of the rightful lords, until Wolnir brought them to their knees, and ground their crowns to dust. Then the crowns became one, and Wolnir, the one High Lord."
What that description implies is pretty simple: Wolnir defeated Kings and took their crowns, whether directly or in roundabout ways is left ambiguous, but regardless, he did EXACTLY what the main character does in Dark Souls 2. He collected Crowns, and these Crowns, when brought together (and with a little help from King Vendrick's memory) effectively negate the negative aspects of the Curse of Undeath: you will no longer be affected by hollowing. After gaining this power, Wolnir ground up the crowns and created his new crown from their material. In fact, you could argue that Wolnir's Crown takes visual clues from the four crowns of Dark Souls 2.
With his new crown and right to rule, Wolnir may have come to found the land of Carthus. Carthus is a relatively new addition to Dark Souls lore, as far as I'm aware. It's not like Astora or Anor Londo. It's never been touched on. Nor is it ever really established as "ancient", such as with places like the Profaned Capital or Drangleic. With the wonky flow of time going on in the Souls universe, Carthus could have been made between the events of Dark Souls 2 and 3.
However, while Wolnir may of overcome the hollowing effect of the curse, he could not overcome what lies in the hearts of all men: Darkness. The Abyss. And so, while he may have been immortal, he was not immune to the grasp of the Dark:
Wolnir's Holy Sword:
* "A holy sword eroded by the Abyss. When Wolnir fell to the Abyss, he was gripped by a fear of true darkness, and pleaded to the gods for the first time."
* "This holy sword, together with three armlets stripped from the corpses of clerics, gave him some semblance of comfort."
Wolnir was now immortal, but was a prisoner of the Abyss, the deepest Darkness. The Circlets he wears are what keep him from plummeting completely into the Darkness, and thus, why breaking all three will end his fight and result in him falling beyond the reach of light (Literally, as he slides down the slope into the Abyss when defeated). Notably, he's one of the few bosses in the entire Souls series who doesn't "dissolve" upon defeat, but rather, simply leaves the arena.
That's pretty much it, as far as direct lore connections go, but there is one other thing that's interesting regarding Wolnir and Carthus: The Shield of Want.
The Shield of Want is a faded, corroded version of the "King's Shield" from Dark Souls 2, AKA, King Vendrick's Shield. A Shield the Protagonist creates through using the Soul of the King (Vendrick).
There aren't a whole lot of items, gear-wise, that survived over from Dark Souls 2. And I mean DIRECT copies of things from Dark Souls 2, not things that are similar. There's Lucatiel's and Creighton's gear which serve as nostalgia fodder, and the Fume Ultra Greatsword, which is one of the biggest, heaviest, and most demanding weapons ever in any Souls game. There are also things like the Drakeblood set (The Drakebloods revered Dragons and their blood, explaining their appearance in Archdragon Peak) and the Faraam Set (The signature armor of Dark Souls 2), which make sense, as well as a couple great rings which survived over (Rings rarely often have a justification as to their obtain-ability). But why is an item as specific and unremarkable as the Shield of Want in Dark Souls 3? and why is it the only item that has visibly aged, as if from use? And why is it in a place with no explanation as to how or why it got there?
The Shield is found in the smouldering lake, in the same area where the "Carthus Sandworm" lives. And the Sandworm fell from Carthus into the lake, as seen in the description for the "Yellow Bug Pellet":
* "The grave wardens of Carthus used these to repel a great sand worm. The worm tumbled to the catacombs and proceeded to dominate its new home in the Smoldering Lake."
So it's entirely possible that the shield fell from Carthus as well, but why would it have been there to begin with? What if Wolnir had it and either discarded or lost it, where it then fell into the Smouldering Lake?
Like I said, it's not as clear a connection as the other information, and that stuff isn't all that clear to begin with (Such is the beauty of Dark Souls lore), but the implications can't really be denied either.
That's all I've got on the subject, but until it's outright denied by FROM or a specific contradiction is revealed in-game, I'm sticking to my guns on this one.
Lordnuggetor xD fairly strong argument you've got and a great thinking process. You are correct
He is the only boss to not disappear after being killed, because he is still immortal but he's slowly being drug down into the darkness.
Lordnuggetor xD Great read, thanks!
Also, dark magic was OP in dark souls 2, if Wolnir was the protagonist of Dark Souls 2, it would make sense he would abuse it!
Is no one going to point out that he used a picture of Patches in the Catarina set instead of Siegward?
JimNeeto Check the reddit
I was just about to comment this
About 5 other people so far.
The fact that Matpat belives that Patches is Siegward, makes me think that he didnt actually play the games. Maybe someone else wrote the script, and he only voiced it
what makes you think he thought that?
I think he did but not his editor
Firefox4242 oh you seem sane
Firefox4242 or someone edited it and got it wrong
he probably watches them before he uploads them. but yes i agree. saying Siegward is his favorite character and putting patches there is kinda strange
You could deduce Hawkwood is a deserter of the undead legion from his armor and name, or you could, y’know, just read the description of his shield which states he’s a “deserter of the undead legion”
Obviously its Samurai Jack
Josua Thurnheer no dude its Genji
Josua Thurnheer I thought he can't die anyway.
Corrupted Xeno Does that mean we might see Mercy resurrecting him?
he finally learned to jump good
seeing unbreakable patches's face for sigward just hurts
Adrian Jimenez-Lara they are such different ppl
I'm glad someone called it out.
I was cringing so hard at that actually. I hate patches and sigward is my favorite character in this game.
Talking about siegward and showing patches makes me die a bit inside
Also it's a wide known fact that Hawkwood was part of the undead legion, he says it himself. Where's the theory in that? what's the breaking news?
Jack Rubino same
Jack Rubino A lot of the things in this episode were pretty easy to know through just playing the gamr
i feel u bro :}
Jack Rubino same
I feel like I should say this so.... the reason hawkwood deserted the abyss watcher(BTW my favourite boss) was because they laughed at him for using a shield instead of fighting with the more fast paced and crazy fighting style they adapted after drinking the great wolfs blood
Why use an image of Patches instead of Siegward?
Captain MacMillan thank you so much
this bothered me so much every time it was on screen.
I felt the exact same way
Good to know I wasn't the only one.
Captain MacMillan siegward actually looks that way you can put your camera in his helmet in game I know it confused me too at first
Someone calls Vaati please, I can't take this any longer !!
true. Leave Vaati the the lore.
Vaati's theories are kinda meh, go watch hawkshaw
You kept showing a picture of siegward of catarina but that picture u are showing is patches in siegwards amour
Sogeking Matt pat read this
Sogeking I hate u mat pat
Sogeking lmaoo
Maybe Patches kicked Siegward down a hole.
Sogeking yes it triggers me so much
Am I the only person who casually thought hawkwood was part of the abyss watchers?
I think he was wanting to know if anyone made that connection themselves on the first play through. Really it didn't seem like a secret to me either... at all... unlike literally 90% of the rest of the lore that I'd have probably never known without vaati
It literally says so in the description of his shield so I don't know why matpat is going full blown inception on the deserter part of his name lol
Yea, same, if you follow his questline he shows up in the abyss watchers boss room wielding their weapon.... It's pretty obvious
I mean he is wearing their armor and his shield's description pretty much spells it out.
The way I figured it out was by looking at his outfit.
Clearly we're playing as the third Dark Soul, says right in the title.
But that's just a theory!
A half-baked theory!!!
Did Matt pat seriously use Patches for Siegward?! Come on Matpat!
The Legend Epic_Sama i'm pretty sure that was on purpose to see who comments about it
yes he did. He's not a real fan!
I know right, I hope he doesn't actually think that that was actually Siegward.
IKR PLEASE NO WHYYY
the player in dark souls three are all the players who never finished the first two games
The unkindled is no mere hollow.
The unkindled is somebody who linked the fire yet failed to contain its might, and was turned to ash.
Therefor, it would be a player who completed the game.
so then it was the people who couldn't handle the might of winning such a hard core game just kidding
The origins of your unkindled one is never explained. he/she is however awoken by the tolling bells signifying the age of fire. Why? Because you are Ash, unfit even to be cinder of the first flame. Try to Stay with me.
From the first Dark Souls we know that prior to the emergence of the First Flame the world was void with 'humans' and ruled by the Everlasting Dragons. This period was known as the Age of Ancients. There is not much information about the relationship between Humans and Dragons during the Age of Ancients. But when the first flame came about and humans came from the Dark and ascended as Divine beings by the Lord Souls, the Balance of the world shifted and the Age of Ancients came to an End. So began the Age of Fire.
I bring all this up because you play as Ash, unfit even to be Cinder in Dark Souls 3. And Dark Souls 3 takes place around the coming end of the Age of Fire, but it's still currently the Age of Fire. Now I ask, what purpose does an unkindled have in the world during the Age of Fire? If you think hard about it, there's nothing an unkindled is good for in a world that revolves around the flame. For an unkindled cannot prolong the flame as they are ( unless they attain Soul of Cinder*final boss* ). An Unkindled in summary is born into the world as an Undead, with the same humanly ambition to burn for the first flame( which is why The journey of an Undead has always traced the bonfires - description pulled from estus flask ), but ultimately your existence serves no purpose. This is made evident throughout the game as you burn an ember to enkindle yourself, but after death you lose that state. And because the Ashen one Longs to burn but cannot, his/her awakening for the events of Dark Souls 3 serves him/her an opportunity, the opportunity to finally serve a purpose by taking on the responsibility of being a Lord of Cinder by taking on the Soul of Cinder.
The Unkindled in specific are awakened because they can finally serve a purpose, their Thirst for the first flame DRAWS them to the Lords of Cinder. They are pretty much hounds, set loose by the nature of the world. All in hopes to restore the balance of power in the world.
Which is what you end up doing in Dark Souls 3. You WILL find the Lords of Cinder whether or not you choose to speak to specific NPCs ( Lord specific questlines ). You WILL face the Soul of Cinder. Then you will choose whether to Burn as a Lord of Cinder, Utilize that power to become the Dark Lord, Allow the Firekeeper to tend to the ember until the ember reignites the world, Or Smite your Firekeeper and take the last ember of the Age of Fire for yourself and consume it like any other consumable ember throughout your Journey as the Ashen One. Doing so would leave no trace of the First Flame remaining in the world for you are first and foremost Ash unfit even to be Cinder and your burn doesnt last long, bringing a final close on the Age of Fire.
he answered this in the 2nd video with greater detail lol
Nicicoolio The coolest i almost finished the 2n one but sudenly my xbox broke
I feel the need to point out that the age of fire continuing is against the will of the gods, it was supposed to move onto the age of dark but Gwynn worried about the fire dwindling and sought to rekindle it, thus committing the first sin.
The main character is actualy Dovakin from Skyrim.
Lofarian S. Illuminati confirmed
Lofarian S. lol
Lofarian S. no its the link from majors mask
Lofarian S. Half life 3 confirmed.
I was about to say that
You used the wrong face for seigward, that face was of patches, who dressed as him to attempt to kill the player.
He doesn't do the editing.
so its like saying hers link and then showing zelda. like does he not check.
So let me start off by venting some steam: *Please everybody stop using the character on the box art of DS1 to represent the player-character, everybody who knows the lore knows it's Artorias*
Anyway, theory time.
There's a HUGE gap here, and something that I hope you address in the next video. I know that it may seem like we were resurrected specifically to fight Lothric - but if that's the case, and with the other characters seeming to make direct beelines to their target while ignoring any other Lords, why do we bother to go around killing the other Lords? Wouldn't it make more sense, from a story perspective, to set you rabidly pursuing Lothric - only to realize once he's dead that there's a far larger struggle going on?
Remember that every Unkindled is someone who "tried and failed" to link the fire - you're a last line of defense against the Age of Dark, and an extension of the Undead Curse. How are you a last line of defense? When "the Lords go without thrones," the Unkindled are animated in order to hunt them down - except, something doesn't make sense.
There's very little mention of these characters in item descriptions, in conversations - Anri, Horace, Siegward, and Hawkwood are barely mentioned other than their actual appearances and their own armor. Granted, Siegward "made a promise long ago," but that doesn't explain why he'd be resurrected and not one of the humans that was killed when Yhorm destroyed his kingdom by linking the fire? Why Anri and Horace, and why both of them together? Why is Hawkwood an Unkindled, and not a Lord, when the Abyss Watchers as a whole linked the fire?
The answer is that they all tried and failed to link the fire - that's important. Any character that was strong enough to even get to the Kiln must be formidable indeed, and yet none of them are strong enough to complete their tasks alone. Why is it that you improve when they do not? I do not know.
The obvious fact is that you tried to link the fire and failed - but the big question is *when.* The fact is that your character can be from one of any of three eras - the first era of DS1, the second era of DS2, and the third era of DSIII. I tend to believe that your character dates back to at least DS2, as the linking of the fire was a more well-known ritual at that point. But it doesn't necessarily mean that your character is targeted specifically at Lothric.
Lothric, in particular, is a "worthy Lord." But what does that entail? What about him makes him a Lord? We get a hint from Hawkwood when he speaks about Aldrich (a subject he seems to know a lot about) - "And they made him a Lord, not for virtue, but for power." Why would he be able to link the fire alone when your character, who is obviously "mighty" enough to defeat him, needs the embers from all five lords?
The answer is he wouldn't. There would be other Lords. The Thrones were carved far, far before you existed - only the names on the plaques change. The Fire is fading, faster than ever. The Souls that are given are no longer sufficient. And it takes the strength of six Lords (yes, six, you marvelous Unkindled you) to relight the flame. The Lords abandoning their thrones is not unprecedented. Clearly there are contingencies in place. "When the fire fades, and the Lords go without thrones..." There's even a ritual associated with it that is known to the Firekeeper.
The problem is, your character does NOT have a specific identity. This is purposeful. Your character can have all sorts of conflicting information just in their starting item descriptions - in one life, you might start as a Sorceror, with ties to the Dragon School of Vinheim; you might be a Knight with armor hailing from Astora; you may even be a Pyromancer hailing from the ever-mysterious Great Swamp.
All the other Unkindled have names, and are reborn not only with some measure of their former strength but also with knowledge of their purpose, up to and including memories involving those they hunt. Why don't you have any memory of Lothric? Hell, we don't even see Lothric and Lorian in the opening cutscene. Your character starts off with knowledge of the other three Lords that abandoned their thrones - but not of Lothric and Lorian, those who were intended to link the fire in this age? That's fishy, especially when you're clearly claiming that we were the specific unkindled designated to hunt down those two.
I will grant you, the one thing that does lend itself towards your theory is that the one place we seem to be able to "poof" to initially is the High Wall of Lothric. But where in Lothric do we spawn? In the outskirts. The edge of the High Wall. That's important because I believe that space where we spawn is a hidden shrine to the Gods and the linking of the Fire - blasphemous beliefs that have been outlawed in Lothric at large.
With all this, if you did select a single "character" as being our Unkindled, then by the simple argument of "then why don't you always start off as ___" we can shoot it down. I cannot stress enough that your character does NOT have a specific identity; this is a player-insert. Your character is "your character" and nothing more, nothing less. What "backstory" you have is determined by your starting class and equipment. You don't necessarily associate with any of the Lords. And if you do, what's to say that the Unkindled associated with Lothric already failed his/her quest and fled, and you were initially intended to hunt down the meek (and obviously fearful) Ludleth should he decide to cut and run? It would fit. Every other Unkindled has either failed or given up. You may not know him personally, but who's to say your character isn't from the Courland that Ludleth speaks so fondly of? Even if you simply say "we were a person, maybe a sorceror, maybe a priest, maybe a warrior, in the service of Lothric" - well that answer is so general as to be laughable.
We're a backup of a backup. In the event that the Unkindled specifically designated to kill a particular Lord fails or takes too long, we were summoned - "not for virtue, but for power." For all we know, Hawkwood's refusal to carry out his duty as an Unkindled may have been the trigger for our resurrection. We're not targeted, we're not specifically designated, and that makes sense - Lothric has condemned the fire-linking as a curse; who under his rule would dare attempt such a feat?
The fact that we have so many questions surrounding our character's identity is a masterstroke by FromSoft - it keeps us asking, keeps us guessing. And they will only ever be answered by us, in our own unique ways. That is the main quality that makes Dark Souls an excellent game; that your character could have been literally anyone in a past life, could have done anything, and rises from being a human who is normal except for the fact that they can't die, to a being capable of bringing down dragons and gods.
Such is the Curse of Fire.
Actually, it is Artorias stepping into the Abyss on the original release box art; it's been known to the fans since forever, as he clearly has the Shield of Artorias on his right arm, and is wielding some sort of sword (believed to be Artorias's Greatsword) in his left, opposite what any Dark Souls character would - Artorias, though, is now known to be left-handed, so his shield would be on his right. I believe the one who pointed this out to me initially was VaatiVidya in one of his videos, although which one I can't honestly remember right now.
*ahem* Get it right before you try to shoot people down on the Internet otherwise no one will bother to read what you have to say.
also, instead of debating something that has to do with my theory, which is for certain rather nebulous and open for discussion, you instead nitpick at the one thing that I'm actually certain about?
An amazing theory! *applause*
Hey UNSC. I agree generally with your rebuttal, but with regards to MatPat's statement on Hawkwood, I think you missed his point. It wasn't the clearest statement and he kind of glossed over the point, but it sounded to me like MatPat was saying that Hawkwood deserted the Abyss Watchers right BEFORE they went to try and light the flame. Solid rebuttal though. I'm curious to see what MatPat has to say in the continuation of his theory.
UNSCBlackBeltGI longest comment ever
UNSCBlackBeltGI when i read your theory i thought of mine and laughed
That wasn't siegward, that was patches in seigwards armour
Lol 😂
Damn MatPat is getting torn up for putting Patches as Siegward
atleast i'm not the only one who noticed that
going slowly insane as mat pat keeps mistaking patches for the honorable siegward
i was about to comment that i was like NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
BRROOOO how could he make that mistake after saying he loves and played through the games I SMELL BULLSHIT
That was not siegward, that was patches. Two completely different character. One helps you, the other tried to kill in almost all the souls games...
Ian Moone The guy comes back as flipping spider in bloodborne lol
Ian Moone Trusty patches
Ian Moone But wait... Siegward is MatPat's favorite character... surely he couldn't be this lazy in his research, or could he.
unfortunately he was. that image is from when Patches betrays you in the cathedral while being dressed as Siegward
The idea is still clear, even if the picture was wrong.
14:10
Who saw the editing mistake?
Me
I did
Oh god I didn't notice that well I did but I didn't think it was a mistake I thought he did it on purpose
@@Doss3332 me
cough cough* The picture you used for siegward isn't siegward. it's Patches in siegwards armor.
Sammy G glad im not the only one who noticed
Sammy G finally someone noticed
yeah...roasted
siegward has a mustache plus that's the cut scene where patches betrays you 11:57
bro matt is a dark souls poser. anyone who has ACTUALLY played the game would know
That's not siegward of catarina m8, that's patches the hyena.
i kept laughing whenever he showed sieg and it was patches. Seigs face tho is so weird lmao.
This needs to be upvoted to hell and back. I cringed so hard when I saw patches but heard siegward.
My theory is that your character DS3 is your character from DS2. If you look at the ending of scholar of the first sin, your character, an undead, decides to leave the kiln behind (based on the new ending added by SOTFS edition) and chooses instead to walk away seeking a more permanent solution to the undead curse, essentailly becoming the Dark lord (the one who brings about the age of Dark, which is meant to natrually follow the age of fire, before gwyn created the cycle of having to relight the fire, which basically broke the balance of nature by keeping the age of fire going and creating a loop in which no progress could be made as everything was in a state of constant and unnatural creation and destruction). Whats the third ending of Dark souls 3 that also involves the undead? (not unkindled, difference is very important for those who havent played the game). Wresting the power of the flame from the kiln and taking it unto yourself, becoming the Dark lord of the Sable church of Londor. But if we go back to what the video says, unkindled are those who failed to link the fire and essentially burnt away. Your character in Dark souls 2 goes on a long journey to try and find answers. He/she obtains three crowns and in the process gains the knowledge to show them that linking the fire is not the correct choice as it just keeps repeating the cycle. But, if you dont link the fire, some other undead who was resurrected likely would, as they would have no knowledge of the damage they are causing, thus restarting the cycle and burning away your character. But the unkindled are those undead brought back, with all their previous knowledge intact. SOOOO if your character from DS2 is brought back, he/she would know that linking the fire is bad, and with the flame as weak as it is, then they would know to accept the dark sign they were free of by being reborn as an unkindled back into themselves, making them a full fledged hollow again, and this time being able to take in the power of the first flame as they are now a being of both fire and dark (two sides of the same coin, yin and yang basically), and can thus let the age of Dark come about as there is LITERALLY NO FLAME FOR ANY OTHER UNKINDLED TO RELIGHT. The only way to do it would be to maybe kill your character and make a new kiln out of their corpse using a coiled sword. But considering how God tier strong your character would be by then, having slain all the Great Souls of Drangleic and then being reborn to slay the Lords of Cinder, along with having an army of undead, including anri, at your service and two of the three sisters of the Sable church as well? Nah, I dont think anyone, gwyn included could, espescially considering you basically killed gwyn by beating the Souls of Cinder boss (his last form is Gwyn mode). So the age of fire dies, and you go off with your wife anri (who you "marry" to get this ending), forming a new kingdom of Londor and ushering in the age of Dark. There, rabbit hole thoroughly jumped down.
ColonelJihad
I hope you're one of the winners, one of the more comprehensive theories I've seen.
So... You're saying it's yah manz?
ColonelJihad this, by far, is one of the best theories I've ever seen about Dark Souls 3. Bravo! 👏👏👏👏👏
It's a solid theory with a good foundation and a lot of thought put into it, but one thing that you may have overlooked is that DS2 is not a canon part of the same timberline as DS1 or DS3. Most people who played the first game would wonder why your character from the first game isn't in this one since they were able to link the flame, but they are in the game. The character you play as in the first game, if you choose to link the fire becomes part of the final boss of the third game(The soul of cinder), guarding the dying flame. Almost nothing from DS2 is in the third one, the main thing from the second game I could find is Gilligan's body in the Profaned Capital surrounded by gold and silver. I'd love to be proven wrong, and I do hope your theory is right if I am.
the only missing link for the theory is whether you succeeded or not in linking the flame in dark souls 2
i still cant get over how he put a picture of patches as the picture for seigward
It makes me question if he even played his quest really.
He's not the one editing 🤦🏽♀️
Sasha Blackbird it happens like 3 times and you even see a part of the cutscene where he betrays you. Him not editing it shows that he didn’t do his research correctly and instead just did one play through probably not even finding siegward
Lefteris Panagopoulos in the cathedral he acts like seigward and then betrays you so it kinda makes sense
He also dosent edit his videos so
Yeah