Dark Horse Drops Neil Gaiman Amid Shocking Allegations
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- Опубликовано: 5 фев 2025
- Neil Gaiman is still reeling from a multitude of sexual abuse allegations. The shocking nature of the allegations has caused comic book publisher Dark Horse to take action. Dark Horse drops agreements to publish Anansi Boys and all other Neil Gaiman works in the future. Amazon Prime and Netflix are also producing Gaiman adaptations for streaming but have thus far stuck with him. Wes talks about the first company to cancel Neil Gaiman following sexual assault allegations. Dark Horse drops Neil Gaiman amid shocking allegations.
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Opening with “The guy’s got his fingers into” was a bold choice.
😂
The problem is that these accusations will stick with him even if he was proven innocent. But as for his innocence… there was a definite power imbalance to all those relationships that scream predatory.
Also the fact the Gaiman had arrogantly championed cancel culture and believe all women, leaves me with little sympathy for him.
And finally, I never liked Gaiman’s work even though I can appreciate their creativity and craft they were not my cup of tea.
Those who scream the loudest, always got something to hide
The guilty dog always barks the loudest.
Unless you step on a Lego in your bare feet - that's just screaming the loudest.
The problem is not many of the women ever said “no,” and the one who did then later said it was great and she loved it, before she didn’t.
@@Rorysammyso you are saying they are pretending to be victims?
@@MatthewLoh-ru1mw
Are you saying they were pretending not to be? We at least know Pavlovich sent Gaiman a reassuring text to say it had all been "consensual (and wonderful)". Now, I am not saying she is lying at either point because we also know that she was persuaded that it was abuse by a friend. But does anyone really need a consultant to inform them whether or not they are consenting? How would that work as a system for intimacy etiquette? How would you tell a partner who claims she is consenting that she isn't really, she just thinks she is? "Yes, but have you considered the power dynamic, darling; I mean you do look up to me and I do earn more than you do, and plus you have been drinking and you may not be fully informed because I am more of a loser than you think I am. If you knew how much it is possibke that you wouldn't be interested in me at all. I am not entirely convinced under these circumstances that you can be fully consenting." "Well that's disappointing." "Well think how I feel! No wait, don't think how I feel: If you knew how I feel that would be emotional blackmail so it's best you don't know! Imagine I don't care either way just for safety's sake." I think, realistically, if your partner thinks she is consenting you have to assume she is right regardless of what an expert may tell her weeks later!
Yea if he’s said “believe all women” then we should hold him to that I think.
Look how THAT turned out (For him!!!)
don't forget that dark horse really can't afford the bad press, or any bad press honestly
I remember Nerdrotic discussing Gaiman a while before this Vulture article came out. He said a bunch of the comic industry insiders knew about it and were doing their best to try to hide it by silencing anyone wanting to shine a light on it.
i think wes and sparrow said the comic industry knew something was up w him since the 90s but kept quiet about it. wise they'd go more into it.
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@@garou12now you and everybody else now KNOW!
Neil has proven himself to be a wolf in sheep’s clothing. Todd McFarlane was cheated in court by that monster. Hopefully the victims get the help they need and Neil goes away for the rest of time
True story about McFarlane.
Neil deserves this for supporting cancel culture.
I mean this is a bit more than cancel culture..
@SubZero-hs9xc True but he brought it upon himself. He actually did some weird stuff.
@@TerryB01 isn't he into BDSM or something? Isn't that normal?
@@TerryB01With feces 😂😂
Or maybe he deserves to be dropped because he is a RAPIST.
I did nothing! I only took some Delta 9 with my homies Mark Waid and Grant Morrison.
Bot
Can we get Warren Ellis back?
How this works?
@SubZero-hs9xc Maybe we can do some sort of trade? One of the DC's Toms for Warren? Hell, both of them.
NO
@@egonnn244NO, DC has already dropped him and scrubbed his name off his published works (Tje Authority, the Batman's Grave, etc.....)
@@MatthewLoh-ru1mw if Louis CK can mount a comeback never say never for ellis. besides ellis' cancelation didn't involved rape. they were just women who didn't like that he told them what they wanted to hear to get into their pants and didn't deliver on his promises. big difference.
One’s day in court is a standard with regard to criminal penalties. Being a high profile representative of a publishing house is different: there is no obligation to do business with anyone whose reputation or conduct is suspect. It can be bad for business.
however they are not obligated to say why as disney foolishly did with gina carano. the fact they said why means they didnt just blacklist him they are cancelling him
OK, what happened to "innocent until proven guilty"? Remember, the Duke Lacrosse team or Matt Araiza? Just because he's creepy or a liberal goon whom we don't like doesn't mean he did the big R jiggy.
Bottomline: Stay away from hook up culture.
Dude is woke. People are just playing by HIS rules
@Yayofangamer16 Maybe, but we are better people than the woke.
To be fair, „innocent until proven“ is only relevant for laws and the state. As private persons, we are free to form our opinions on him and to also allocate our money accordingly.
@davidgantenbein9362 True, but it's still better to hold judgement. Kneejerk reactions are what weenie liberals do.
Normally I’d give the benefit of the doubt, but Neil himself wants us to “believe woman” and I’d hate to let him down, him being so morally above the rest of us.
It's always disappointing to find out the bad side of your heroes.
I was a huge fan of this guys work. His approach to women and love. It's such a disappointment to find out he's responsible for so many cringy comics.
hes a sociopath, his public persona is a his cover for predation
I still enjoy his work and I don't think about him. Those women chose to deal, he did not make them. They got issues and he's a perve and his work is still good. Would I deal with him, no.
@@thelestrangelair you did not read the report to completion, know nothing about force fraud and coercion or both.
If this didnt came out publicly it would be all NDA-d real quick,the only way is to shine the light on the demon,courts are corrupt.
This is the last warning, I will write your favorite comic book characters if you don’t respond.
Why you trolling
@ Trolling? I will come to your house and show you my Lego collection!
@TomKing_official
You might want to get a refill on your medications, Tom.
Lmao
🤣🤣🤣
“Those who shout the loudest do so to drown out the skeletons in their own closet.”
“Reset the Clock!”
These memes exist for a reason. I’m anything but surprised Neil did himself in via projection; paints a massive target on your back that karma cannot resist taking.
Yea some of the things I’ve heard is sick, hard to believe there’s people who do this stuff. Eating crap? Sick.
Oh, you'd be SURPRISED 😳
Whether it's Woody Allen, Michael Jackson, Bill Cosby, and now Neil Gaiman, people have to decide how they view the art and the artist. For me, I think Sandman was one of the greatest comics ever and "Annie Hall" was a great comedy. However, I will not take moral advice and guidance from Woody or Neil.
It should be illegal to be fired from your job because of allegations. There needs to be proof. Police reports that result in an investigation, court proceedings, and a guilty verdict. You are innocent until proven guilty.
@@chewface here's the problem:the "proof" is rather icky and unethical to get since involves bodily fluids of the sexual kind! So you have to take their allegations as "proof"!!
@MatthewLoh-ru1mw Allegations aren't good enough. It's immoral that allegations alone can ruin a man's life.
@chewface when there's plenty of allegations (& there are!), it's enough to ruin your life or anyone's life/career.....
@@MatthewLoh-ru1mw Because women can't lie.
@@chewface agree to disagree.
It's no longer innocent until proven guilty in this country, it is now guilty until proven innocent. How sad. I'm not making any excuses for anyone, I'm just saying. Once someone is charged and found guilty then you can do what you want.
Except he is woke. So...
@Yayofangamer16 its like you have a low IQ
@@dlv0187
It has never been innocent until proven guilty. It is the job of the accused/defendant with the aid of public relations and a good attorney to prove their innocence. The presumption of guilt is the first and lasting knee-jerk reaction. Don't let what should be hide the reality in front of you. And I have history to back me up when saying this. Innocent until proven guilty is what we wish was the truth. However, that has never been the case.
that only holds up in the court of law. not the court of public opinion. that and the fact gaiman so proudly told us to believe all women.
That is often more false than you think!
It’s supposed to be deemed bad and extremely exploitive in any day and age. It should not have taken a me too movement to expose these predators and make them pay, somewhat. Geez
He is so rich that i dont even know what kind of compensation assigned by court will actually hurt him. Probably reputation loss and projects cancelling is a better punishment itself.
Renfamous is also a predator. I won’t forget that all these weirdos infect our comic book space
Exit Sandman?
Definitely not Enter Sandman
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Yes
Can't blame Dark Horse for this business decision. Although Gaiman has not been found guilty in a court of law, he is guilty in the court of public opinion. Being associated with him in any shape, manner or form is toxic to your business, career and personal life. I wonder if LCS will withdraw any Neil Gaiman material from their shelves?
They might.... in light of these allegations
@@MatthewLoh-ru1mw Last I heard from the Tortoise investigative podcast, he fled New Zealand before the police could speak to him to even help build a case. It explains the weird and very sudden flight from NZ during Covid.
why aren't u and sparrow talking about the allegations that gaiman plagiarized tanith lee's work for sandman?
I wish justice is done just after a fair trial (as I would want if it was me, or anybody else, in his place), but it'll be quite a ride to see Mr. Good Guy in this situation
What a fall from grace.
Love Gaiman's work, will continue to buy and read his books and comics.
I get why they're doing it, but whether he's guilty or not, aren't other people involved in these projects getting hit now too?
I want Carrot Top to get it! Because his cosmetic surgery’s ugly! And most of all he’s not funny!
Yes, DC, Netflix and Prime video
Did Netflix drop him as well ? They had the whole sandman universe thing with him
I hope at least the second season comes out
@SubZero-hs9xca second season was announced and it was supposed to be released in late 2024 , but apparently because of the allegations it was postponed, they released the dead boy detectives show which was linked to the sandman universe
No, but they are implied to be, given the fact that it's on hiatus indefinitely
@SubZero-hs9xcit's been delayed indefinitely
@@mohammadbashammakhand that too, was cancelled after one season
Dang. I love Coraline
Golly! If only the English and Scottish legal systems had come up with such concepts of innocent until proven guilty, trial by jury etc. Sarcasm.
A company can decide for itself whether they want to continue doing business with someone after allegations like this come out, consumers can decide. Consumers can decide for themselves whether they want to continue to buy material produced by the author or not.
Dark horse, not obligated to continue doing business with Neil Gaiman, if they feel doing so with their business or violate their principles . Dark horse stop doing business with Neil because it’s a Tuesday and mercury is in retrograde if that is the reasoning they want to give.
Neil is likely to be fine considering how much money he has made over the years. I’m suspending my judgment, but I’m probably not going to buy any new Neil Gaiman produced material until I decided how I feel.
Other than that the court can decide how this will play out. I’m not on a jury, and there are plenty of other places to spend my money.
Readers can stop engaging with the work of an author for any reason they desire. Neil has made plenty of money and he is likely to be fine assuming he doesn’t get sued into oblivion.
I think it was a good call from Dark Horse.
sandman and anasi boys will def flop at this point coz alot of his fans are so disgusted by the allegations they refuse to give him more money
What if he’s a counterfeiter and pays himself his own money?
Yes, they will (flop)
@@MichaelWaisJrno. There ain't such animal
@@MatthewLoh-ru1mw Even he’s his own worst customer. It’s so tragic. 😢
Actually, they now legally CAN fire people now based on their race, religion, sexuality, etc. Not that I approve of it.
Actually, you can't. At least not in America.
The reason I think Warren Ellis is mot getting any work even though his allegations aren’t nearly as bad as the ones Gaiman has is that I don’t think any editor at this point trusts him to turn in his work on time. How many late projects did he deliver? A lot. Remember when he blamed the cancellation of new universal: Shockfront on the laptop with the rest of the scripts for that series had to get repaired and when he went back to the store it had suddenly been closed down?
Imagine DECADES of excuses like that, for his entire career, and the truth seems to be “oh, he was addicted to e-thots.”
For their own good, Marvel and DC should never try to sell their Comics in other countries because this planet belongs to Japanese Manga, which are too powerful.
Maybe. But that's in the distant far futrw
How fair is this to Neil? I mean... Marquis DeSade still has *his* work published
Dark Horse don't like a Dark Horse the irony. Needs a new publisher. Maybe something called Black Sheep?
Personally I don't take civil court that serious, which is mostly about money and also the need of evidence isn't as thorough compared to criminal court. When it comes extremely serious accusations like these, I really need police reports and police investigations. No matter how horrible the story may sound, we have seen to many times that horrific stories were made up. The fact that these journalist (often of a particular Third Wave variety) always write their articles with a lot of suggestive phrases like :allegedly, according to etc, I really need it to go through criminal court. If true, I'm sure either him, a witness and/or supposed victims got to have evidence that could be found by the authorities, considering the timeline and amount of accusations.
So you are calling these women liars?
Womp womp
So you are calling these women liars?
And Destiny reached the end of the page, pausing for a moment before turning to the next page, for there was more to come...
All this crazy people, Gen Z kids, do not understand the difference between art and author!
Well first off this affects my bottom line by like zero. Anasi Boys does not sell at all. In fact I won't be carrying any issues cause nobody is buying it. So no trade is no big deal either. As to the rest, everyone should stop overacting and playing guardians at the moral gates here. Dark Horse doesn't want to do business...fine. But for me I am still going to sell Sandman, 1602, and any other Neil Gaiman products in my store. The man is do his day in court if its coming and we should all assume innocent until proven guilty. Now is it safe to say Mr Gaiman was living lets say and alternative lifestyle? Probably. But the simple fact is women lie. Johnny Depp got torpedo by Disney until we found out just how much bullshit his former wife was spewing. The woman who accused the Duke football players was....lying! So the possibility here that some stuff is being completely made up is not beyond the reality pale. And when someone like Gaiman, who does have money, is concerned let's not be unrealistic about looking to bleed some green out of him for whatever reason may be possible. I will say though the HYPOCRYSY with Gaiman is oozing all over the place here, and Wes said it best when you should not be putting blanket statements out there that you will regret just to get the approval of some people that may or may not matter. Now can we let Warren Ellis work in the industry again and everyone get off their high fucking horse? WTF20.
eloquently put sir !
@Rtombooksart Thank you. Just off the top of my head.
I say BELIEVE ALL MIDGETS!! When someone accuses a midget of stealing a Dos Equis or a Snickers bar we should STAND TALL and DEFEND THE MIDGET!! MIDGET PRIDE!! NO MORE MIDGET OPPRESSION!!
Also BELIEVE ALL DEAD PEOPLE!! Every word they’re saying!! It’s the most educational lesson I learned from “Weekend at Bernie’s” I and II!
And what if Gaiman IS guilty of all the s**t he allegedly did? You might change your tune if and when that happens!!
i hope DC comics doesn't remove his content. I still haven't collected Sandman
Thats a good point. The companies shouldnt stop publishing his work till the case is over. What if he is proven innocent?
And what if he is proven GUILTY? What will you🫵 say, then, hm????
@MatthewLoh-ru1mw if he is guilty than he deserves whatever he gets. If he is innocent what will you say?
Well said.
Let's see that from a business perspective. There are buyers, that's us, we are customers. There is a deal: we buy books and a substantial part our money flows into the pockets of the author. And there is advertizing: this particular author chose to advertize and push his books with a very public, very specific image of himself. This image was obviously a deliberate betrayal of the customers to sell more books and funnel more customers. And to lure victims, but that's beside the point.
If businesses decide to sell things with an image they are responsible for that. If this image is so blatantly a lie, it has to be dismanteled or others will fall for it, too. What that means to the business of this person and everybody else involved is not the problem of the betrayed customers. Nobody threatens his life, it's just business.
Nobody has to prove anything, he already did that all by himself. His statements are proof that the image he used to become famous and rich is a huge fake.
I don't care if this is normal nowadays. It is because nobody cares, nobody can do anything. But maybe we can. I am protecting my rights as a customer. If I buy fake products I at least try to warn others of the seller wherever he reaches his customers.
I feel like these situations you shouldn’t be allowed to fire or “cancel” people before facts are confirmed. I understand the company standpoint of bad press but if this all blows over and it comes out that he didn’t do anything illegal, then his career is still fucked, and for no legitimate reason. I don’t personally don’t read anything from him or have any side to this but I’m tired of seeing people lose their career on allegations. It’s so easy for someone to “change their mind” when things don’t go their way and say they were assaulted. All that said he very well may have done everything that he’s been accused of and in that case absolutely he should feel the full extent of the consequences for those things.
There are plenty of convicted criminals that are still published authors. How does what the author has done in other spheres of life change the work?
He is still proof it isn't always good 2 have the creator on the adaptation. As he has been busy trashing Sandman comics so much with the tv show.
Woopie goldberg have been good friends with p creepy, weinstein, etc. She likes hanging out with creeps.
I thought this was going to be about Bret Weinstein
He may be what people say he is and yet he may be not . The fact that it started on a podcast, it’s something to take it with a grain of salt .
But canceling someone’s work is wrong. To be fair contracts should be terminated on a fair base like a bad employee or something but not based on something nobody really knows for sure.
Yes, technically you’re supposed to believe the victims. The problem is that there are some people pretending to be victims, sabotaging the real S.A victims in general, so instead of jumping into any conclusions, I can only watch and wait for the result but I definitely don’t want to lose the chance to at least see Sandman season 2 and I want to read more from Neil because if we keep canceling authors left and right, how do people expect future generations read books? Nobody is perfect. We all make mistakes and whoever commits a crime should be punished accordingly but people need to separate the waters.
I have loved everything of Neil Gaimans that I have read, his works are prominent on my shelves. His Sandman TV series I found bloody awful.
I didn't like any of his books I read and didn't keep them. Three. The first went into the bin. Not the best writer I've come across. And currently riding on the back of Terry Pratchett may he rest in peace.
No matter what, without either parties having not step one foot in court and having the truth exposed none of these companies should take a position.
They should just say that they’re going to let the courts decide what happens make their decisions after that.
Not when there's so much hue and cry, then no!
BYYYEE BYYYEEE BYYYYEEE
CUE THE DEADPOOL MUSIC
Isnt dc printing a compact edition of death?
He's a disgusting pervert but what about any of this was assault or unwanted? Groupies slept with him and now regret it.
Yea it’s just so hard to know with cases like this, there’s only 2 people that truly know what happened.
Womp womp. His fault for being woke
The problem. Is when a fan sleeps with someone and then wants to change their story later on
Maybe he gave them herpes or ghonorrhea 🙁
@@thatcomicdad1687If you were a fan of an idol who gave you herpes wouldn’t you change your story?
Gaiman is a great writer. This is all i want from him.
Panda-bears are *comprised* males.
Are you saying that all panda bears are circumcised? How do you know?? Are you a veterinarian??
Seems kind of odd that they drop him. Why? Is Dark Horse still printing material of questionable content from other writers who AREN'T as high profile as NG? So what's the difference? Is it somehow better for a company to print questionable material as long as their contracted talent is not as visible theoughout the media? This kind of cherry-picking regarding ethics and morality confuses me.
It's about taking a STAND
Allegations...I don't think we know what that word means anymore...
Isn't that dream of the endless creator?
This is sad. When DC will give us a official position in Gaiman's case? Will DC cut ties with the writer too? We never will see Sandman published by DC again?
Until now, DC has kept silent and not said a word about any of this
@@MatthewLoh-ru1mw So odd.
Didn't he tweet that after what happened to ed p?
Yes, and?
@MatthewLoh-ru1mw ok so then we should believe the women that say he did what they are saying. He should follow through what he said.
I agree it looks dire for the Gayman, but dropping him from Dark Horse before anything has been conclusively proven seems a bit premature
Can't be helped. There's SO MUCH bad press surrounding Gaiman right now, so they had to drop Anansi boys
@MatthewLoh-ru1mw I understand, but it still rubs me the wrong way that companies do this. On the off chance someone turns out to be innocent, you've basically screwed over their entire career and business relationship with them. Look at what happened between Vic Mignogna and FUNimation
There is more to the poop than meets the eye.
@@gnarwhal7562Gaiman’s pops was a scientologist, so the dangerous cult can just buddy up and publish his stuff.
@@MichaelWaisJrexactly
You are correct Wes
NG should have his day in court
Until he is charged and convicted he is presumed innocent even though the allegations are disgusting.
Neil gay man
While I can't stand Woke Gaiman, I think this whole thing is a bunch of bullshit.
Woke Gaiman? Is that another Gaiman character? Is there Purple Gaiman? Smelly Gaiman?
I also love Disco Gaiman and Daft Punk Gaiman!
You disliked him when he was an advocate for human rights but like him now he’s revealed to be a rapist? What?
Really? You think the women accusinng him are LIARS???
@@Cauldron6the above comment probably changed his/her stance after the allegations came out
I find it strange that Gaiman is going through a divorce & the matter of child custody & that's when a friend of his wife starts accusing him of abuse.
Can you explain how it's strange? I would say that would make a lot more sense, if he feels like he's lost control of his life, and a rapist rapes because they want dominance and control. It makes even MORE sense when you consider how into BDSM he is and the kind of pain he continued to inflict despite consent being rescinded.
@Cauldron6 The alleged abuse happened before the divorce & she talks now when her friend can gain custody of their son if Gaiman is a pervert.
I think they should only stop if hes found in a court of law. As far as I even know there was nothing filed in the courts when the article was written.
He was in an open marriage and had an addiction and his spouse was feeding him. They had arrangements until cash they all(ex included) decide they can make more off him. Is Neil perfect or a good man? Who knows but it feels like the kinda set up his ex would set up.
Im not a Niel Gaiman fan. But feels like hes being railroaded.
If you read the NY Mag article, at least 1 person already tried to file a case, but the police said Palmer and Gaiman's non-cooperation has halted investigations. I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with your point, just saying. 😅
You clearly have not even read the allegations. "but it feels like the kinda set up his ex would set up." OR maybe he's a rapist? Nine women have come forward but you think this is just a conspiracy?
He can awful but im not dropping reading his stuff, im sorry
Low IQ much?
Sounds similar to the Warren Ellis situation as far as the women have absolutely no accountability for participating in these situations.
Sounds like you didn’t actually read anything about this case. Eight women have so far come forward.
Sounds like you didn't read the article, so you missed the POINT!
Also I thought I read some women tried to report him but was blocked by his wife?
@AL-ws5yi yes
What have these people accusing him contributed to society? Are we going to pretend everyone's life is worth the same? I don't think we should hold great, productive creatives to the same standards as everyday normal people. There seems to be some link between extreme circumstances, mental trauma even, and great creative works. They are like shaman who go to the edges of the human experience and report back their findings. We consume these works but then when we find out how the sausage is made, we cast the creators out.
If we're going to judge him for these behaviors, we have to also judge him for the art he produced and add that into the equation. And when we do so, on balance, I feel like he still comes out ahead.
What have they contributed to society?? I’M CONFIDENT THEY’VE RECYCLED REGULARLY!!
Advocating to treat some people as less than human is a choice but definitely one I saw coming from a rapist defender.
Can you say the for Ellis? No one is coming to his defence to this day, ya know???
@@MichaelWaisJrnot much
ALL men (& women) are created EQUAL, are they not? Otherwise you are spouting s**t