@@EchidnaIkidona I use him pushing is not the always option when enemy has good map awareness I mean I'm at mythic using Sun and at Exp not jungler and have to suffer early game atleast rather then being jungler when I didn't get turtle I will never get trash talked then being exp I already pressured at lane because how hard using Sun at Exp when most fighter are highly life stealed spell vamp and tanky hero
I've been playing since season 2 and I have to say they ruined sun over the years. He's supposed to be a one man army. A fighter that overwhelms you with his clones. Now he's shit.
I know right, broken? I guess they don't know the first release sun. Perma clone from passive, clone from ult that so strong it's practically another sun, that's why during his peak if someone picks sun it's practically 5v7 and the only hero who can toe to toe with that sun and the only hero I've ever considered as an actual broken hero Esmeralda.
i know a 5 skill hero is unlikely for moonton to release, but imagine sun ult have 2 variation, one with staying in place, and one with teleporting behind the enemy, just like his first/second skill
It make hime weaker,I believe Even tho third skill petrify you for 0.8s and can use it afar as hero lock, it lost his old ones like immune,tower dive or solo jungle farming and lane pushing. Meaning you can only use ult only when enemy around and cannot use it as you like anywhere.... what if they make the adjustment with radius,if your enemy is within the ult casting radius,it becomes hero lock, if there's no one inside,it becomes his old one like immune and jungle clearing/tower diving
@@Millo_0sad as it should be,sun is op in 1 v 1 but can only shine in mid game and late game,some hero can win a fight, even if there's a gap in farming and experience, if you are sun, you better farm and don't die in early game,or else you are useless until you reach late game,but you can tower dive as you like if you are losing, that's what I like about him,and now we are losing it to do so,he got better only in 1v1 with this adjustment. And also ,mlbb sun always needed an update on him, monkey king other game suppress him
as a sun user this is a nerf his clearing, pushing, fast farm rotation, cc immunity survivability has a impact if this is implemented in a advance server
The devs are all stupid. The dumb down the mechanics of heroes and make them lose the uniqueness. Look at nana, lunox, badang, phoveus. Moonton are targeting toddlers right now so that everyone above the age of 1 weeks can play the game.
@@DestroyerX090and if you use that clone, no escape skill. + Ult doesn't give you immunity anymore, it means you will take dmg or be stunned during the animation.
This is shiiit, revert it back. 1. You are not immune to dmg when you cast ult. 2. His HP stats are lowered, base hp and hp growth + all the heroes are receiving HP nerfs except mm's. 3. 2 extra CD added to his third skill. 4. Obj Oriented game play is gone. And more kill focused game, i don't understand this part, why will you nerf obj oriented heroes when that's the main thing about the game. 5. Passive adjusment lowered stacks needed(didn't need it), passive armor reduction from 40% at max stacks(10)to 25% at max stacks (5)...didn't need to adjust this at all. Too many Cons, Too little Pros...making sun a One trick pony hero with this update.
Just stay inside turret when lanling against dyr. If you are good at Yz Lapu Freya you might beat dyr early. Mostly depends on dyr emblem and spell. Ask your team for ganks early if your hero weak at early. It's actually easier to counter full dmg dyr than tanky dyr.
@@thedarker-b3n 👍. I agree with you . But dyr gets ganked if the enemy is good. Specially if the mage suddenly rotates to exp at lvl 2 with the tank. dyr was pretty weak before his ulti got cc immunity. 🙃 Moneyton needs buff my lapu late and zilong early. I am literally playing lapu vengeance bcoz late game lapu kinda weak compared to other fighters. 🥹
@@akmamMax I think with a good map awareness you can predict gank on your lane and exp lane don't really get gank too much so yeah dyr was weak when his old ult haven't no cc immunity now dyr is very powerful and yeah lapu lapu need a buff I think to buy him
Immunity on ult and being able to use ult to push turrets/take turtle/lord is still more valuable than a stun If they insist on the petrify then make his second skill do it after he uses hit ult
Do you know what's bad? Now Sun is more easy to gank and kill. The old ukt wasnt just giving immunity, it also made it harder to know which one is the main body. And this might completely kill sun if the ult isnt activated on minions, lords or turrets. Even more if the ult cant be manually activated without anyone near or invisible
Bro Sun Ult doesn't work when pushing turrets😢He is literally the best split pusher ever I just hope they only added the 3 third skill to the official sever
Tbh when i tried to play sun. something is missing. his old ult is fine. can dodge skills and split push. but still he's lacking something i bet if his s3 give mini stun like 0.1s stun or moment slow+attack spd slow for like 0.3s which also added to his clones it could help sun to do something better than being split push and freeloading which make team playing like 4vs6 😂
He's actually not op on advance, MG rank No body uses him, he is so weak on clash, all he can do rn is support probably due to the nerf to his other skills to balance he had gone weaker too. I do hope atleast they revert back some of the nerfs, he can't do split push properly as before.
Then u definitely nab sun player, since you have no idea how to do his versatile move using his ulti, now with new update his ulti is useless on team fight only good 1vs 1
Will be an ez targhet now.. when you atacking turtle ,lord of what ever... you will be obligate to use first skill to do it fast... soo that will meke him an ez targhet.
This is better early game as i don't jungle i go at exp lane and brtter kill secure any high damage squishy hero but split push sacrifice but its not big deal argus sacrifice push to 😂
How the f is that broken. That change has so many downsides. Only people are talking about is petrify with ult, but the sun needs to be close to enemy to summon a clone and there's no invincibility.
Its good they changed him. He was literally useless and only good for split pushing and did a bad job at that even because if you saw him on the enemy team you knew to watch for him and is easily countered. People would pick him and he would never help his team in fights or anything pretty much a troll pick.
Yeah but no more ssolo lord solo tower and ultimately objectives are worse also he now cant doge skills with ult... Yeah assassin but flexibility is hit a lot
Montoon after looked black myth wukong😂
Yup
Yap
True
Fact
Monton : should we collaboration ?
He's ult skill like black myth wukong
cus its the same character
It is now balance his old third skill is too OP
@@MNLQC yup, finally I can spam aamon without worrying about sun
Oh no wayyy
@MNLQC too op is too much bruh it not like he gon one shot u in 1 sec
Old Ult is much better for Split Pushing, Objectives and it can also Dodge a CC so idk this is just a secret nerf
This new ult better for 1v1 I guess and ambush so he's probably either a jungler or just a 1v1 exp laner not split pusher
@@Jinapchi_Ego plus stat nerfs, passive nerf, CD nerf on ult and 3rd skill.
Oh what a buff😂
@@Jinapchi_Ego he already good at 1 vs 1 battle (in late game) so that is a big nerf for him
Btw i am using sun for pushing only
@@Jinapchi_Egoit makes sun horrible for jungling. He can’t even use his ult on creeps, turtle, and lord now.
@@hungong6997stop bro no his damage weak at Original server
No hero has ever had this much degree of nerf in ult. Poor sun
Talleyrand : "Behind every great man, there is a woman".
Moontoon : "Behind every great buff is a nerf"
This is bad news for me, my tower Slayer is gone
I'm agreed
Nah it's good trade his damage is weak when enemy moving and they not fight one on one too so you will die diving
He can still destroy the tower because he can target anywhere
@@Yashura303 I can tell you don't use sun.
@@EchidnaIkidona I use him pushing is not the always option when enemy has good map awareness I mean I'm at mythic using Sun and at Exp not jungler and have to suffer early game atleast rather then being jungler when I didn't get turtle I will never get trash talked then being exp I already pressured at lane because how hard using Sun at Exp when most fighter are highly life stealed spell vamp and tanky hero
I've been playing since season 2 and I have to say they ruined sun over the years. He's supposed to be a one man army. A fighter that overwhelms you with his clones. Now he's shit.
I know right, broken? I guess they don't know the first release sun. Perma clone from passive, clone from ult that so strong it's practically another sun, that's why during his peak if someone picks sun it's practically 5v7 and the only hero who can toe to toe with that sun and the only hero I've ever considered as an actual broken hero Esmeralda.
thats a nerf.
you cant get immune to enemy skills and also you can't push towers effectively.
i know a 5 skill hero is unlikely for moonton to release, but imagine sun ult have 2 variation, one with staying in place, and one with teleporting behind the enemy, just like his first/second skill
The only side affect is he doesn't have that immune/disappear state when using ult making him more vulnerable
This is bad for me cuz I'm just a pusher
Use argus now
What kind of pusher?
@@sidjiiimenudo842 turrets
bro's a drug pusher😭
@@sidjiiimenudo842"screw kda, just go for towers, as long as we win
It make hime weaker,I believe
Even tho third skill petrify you for 0.8s and can use it afar as hero lock,
it lost his old ones like immune,tower dive or solo jungle farming and lane pushing.
Meaning you can only use ult only when enemy around and cannot use it as you like anywhere....
what if they make the adjustment with radius,if your enemy is within the ult casting radius,it becomes hero lock, if there's no one inside,it becomes his old one like immune and jungle clearing/tower diving
That would be too broken
@@Millo_0sad as it should be,sun is op in 1 v 1 but can only shine in mid game and late game,some hero can win a fight, even if there's a gap in farming and experience,
if you are sun, you better farm and don't die in early game,or else you are useless until you reach late game,but you can tower dive as you like if you are losing, that's what I like about him,and now we are losing it to do so,he got better only in 1v1 with this adjustment.
And also ,mlbb sun always needed an update on him, monkey king other game suppress him
This kinda sucks since his old ultimate was really versatile making him able to split push mote often while alse being able to escape hard situations
Argus ult 4 second was a nightmare and now the new Argus have 8 second s of ult time 💀
as a sun user this is a nerf his clearing, pushing, fast farm rotation, cc immunity survivability has a impact if this is implemented in a advance server
people saying "Its like Black Myth Wukong" yeah no sht, both Sun from MLBB and Wukong are based on the same character written in journey to the west.
Tbh liked the old tanky sun with power belt and war axe, i guess people love to use blade of despair in every hero
The devs are all stupid. The dumb down the mechanics of heroes and make them lose the uniqueness. Look at nana, lunox, badang, phoveus. Moonton are targeting toddlers right now so that everyone above the age of 1 weeks can play the game.
His 3rd skill is always broken tho, its more easier to land his combos now, but now i lost my free purify
I'm old sun main player also i feel happy after watching this video I'm old global 9 sun.
I don't feel good because it's a nerf and your farming ability is greatly reduced
This is nerf
they BALANCED his ult since it was really op and buffed his 3rd skill
Stronger vs an enemy but weaker on pushing soon yeah it sucks hope moonton allow he's ult to be casted on turrets
It's a freaking Nerf. He can't solo push nor is he immune to everything. Plus the enemy's are not going to be confused by his ult.
It's more broken if there are two ult and the way it works is just like skill 1 and 2
Moonton after playing black myth wukong “ WRITE THIS DOWN, WRITE THIS DOWN”
One correction, he can't use his ult on lord, turtle or minion anymore. It only targets enemies
So only one clone vs towers right
@@DestroyerX090and if you use that clone, no escape skill.
+ Ult doesn't give you immunity anymore, it means you will take dmg or be stunned during the animation.
He is also strong now. Can easily farm thunder belt stacks.
The ult needs to be able to petrify towers as well
This is shiiit, revert it back.
1. You are not immune to dmg when you cast ult.
2. His HP stats are lowered, base hp and hp growth + all the heroes are receiving HP nerfs except mm's.
3. 2 extra CD added to his third skill.
4. Obj Oriented game play is gone. And more kill focused game, i don't understand this part, why will you nerf obj oriented heroes when that's the main thing about the game.
5. Passive adjusment lowered stacks needed(didn't need it), passive armor reduction from 40% at max stacks(10)to 25% at max stacks (5)...didn't need to adjust this at all.
Too many Cons, Too little Pros...making sun a One trick pony hero with this update.
Well it's only an experimental adjustment so it is a chance it well not be added
Sun was so good this season.rip the hidden one.
@@uzaira9088 yeah, obj oriented heroes have their charm.
I mean old masha was amazing too.
I have a curse where when I face a certain hero, I lose. I already have the Dyrroth Curse, and now possibly the Sun Curse lol
Just stay inside turret when lanling against dyr. If you are good at Yz Lapu Freya you might beat dyr early. Mostly depends on dyr emblem and spell. Ask your team for ganks early if your hero weak at early. It's actually easier to counter full dmg dyr than tanky dyr.
@@akmamMax Alr thx
@@akmamMax it depends on user but dyr can beat most of exp laner in 1v1
@@thedarker-b3n 👍. I agree with you . But dyr gets ganked if the enemy is good. Specially if the mage suddenly rotates to exp at lvl 2 with the tank. dyr was pretty weak before his ulti got cc immunity. 🙃 Moneyton needs buff my lapu late and zilong early. I am literally playing lapu vengeance bcoz late game lapu kinda weak compared to other fighters. 🥹
@@akmamMax I think with a good map awareness you can predict gank on your lane and exp lane don't really get gank too much so yeah dyr was weak when his old ult haven't no cc immunity now dyr is very powerful and yeah lapu lapu need a buff I think to buy him
They're making him lore accurate
Immunity on ult and being able to use ult to push turrets/take turtle/lord is still more valuable than a stun
If they insist on the petrify then make his second skill do it after he uses hit ult
vale, phovious and now this? they sure fk up unique heros
Imo the old ult was better as it was more versatile. But well i play more of an assassin sun with petrify so i guess its fine for me
When ever i see a sun user in adv server,i get killed instantly💀
Finally he'll be useful for more than pushing and taking tuetles
Definitely you're not sun player😅
Do you know what's bad?
Now Sun is more easy to gank and kill. The old ukt wasnt just giving immunity, it also made it harder to know which one is the main body. And this might completely kill sun if the ult isnt activated on minions, lords or turrets. Even more if the ult cant be manually activated without anyone near or invisible
Ahaha thinking bout Sishumaru doing the moves on Sun 🤣😂🤣
All while nanas second ability suffers
He thought we wouldn't notice Boogie Woogie but we did
Ohhh say lesss but i hope it can work on tower too so i can split push
About time they buffed sun😮💨
I am hoping for sun to be excluded in the hero lock so couldnt be targetable while having a clone out
sun's new ultimate is his 1st and 2nd😂
Moonton after playing Black myth wukong 😂
Doesn’t matter how much they buff Sun, all it takes is badange lands his combo and it’s over 😂
I love the old sun more than the new one
Bro Sun Ult doesn't work when pushing turrets😢He is literally the best split pusher ever I just hope they only added the 3 third skill to the official sever
Ahh yes montoon one mind trick-
Someone's popularity is now our popularity
You know what monkeys should know there place if they ever comes to official server
-kaja,Alpha
Sun Mains Coming Back With This One!!!
They really said black myth wukong is popular so we gotta steal some features
Cant tell me he wasnt op already that they made him more op lmaoo
Man if you are sun main it's definitely nerfed hopefully moonton won't apply that on official server.
Ulti looks like his 1st skill
They change Sun main job from Splitpusher to Assasin 😢
And then they fucking revert it back because of how strong it is
THEY DIDNT EVEN REVERT THE NERF ON SUN ULT SKLL FROM 12 SECOND TO 8 SECOND
Tbh when i tried to play sun.
something is missing.
his old ult is fine. can dodge skills and split push. but still he's lacking something
i bet if his s3 give mini stun like 0.1s stun or moment slow+attack spd slow for like 0.3s which also added to his clones it could help sun to do something better than being split push and freeloading which make team playing like 4vs6 😂
He's actually not op on advance, MG rank No body uses him, he is so weak on clash, all he can do rn is support probably due to the nerf to his other skills to balance he had gone weaker too.
I do hope atleast they revert back some of the nerfs, he can't do split push properly as before.
"inspiration from black myth"
As an sun user i shall be very very happy
Then u definitely nab sun player, since you have no idea how to do his versatile move using his ulti, now with new update his ulti is useless on team fight only good 1vs 1
@@69mystyle Not really, it depends on you're style of play
sun old ult is better because he can imune everything
Great. Like he wasnt already OP Late game
Wow immobilized like in black myth wukong
Now fanny is the only one with out cc
Developer played black myth wukong 😂
Woah now i can really whoop opponents' butts like WuKong
Rf cause i think the invincibility of the current sun ult is better for survivng
I think its a nerf*
Imagine building thunderbelt 🤔
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Aww that why I was able to keep up with enemy yu zhong
Really my sun getting revamped🧐🧐😟i hope sun will get more better
I thought sun is bad when you said is broken
FINALLLYYY MY MONKEY IS BACK 😭😭😭😭
sun getting ban from first day after his buff
Will be an ez targhet now.. when you atacking turtle ,lord of what ever... you will be obligate to use first skill to do it fast... soo that will meke him an ez targhet.
Black myth wukong broke edition
Bro make emperor alice global no 1 Alice video ill give you best clips i am sure you will get more-then 100k likes
Hero lock mode: On✅
I like this skill
but they nerf his damage so bad. he's not gonna be a meta if they nerf his damage
We have a new sun wukong😂😂
Wth so i cant do tower dive anymore 😭
Put back his old verry old pasive back when he spawn an clone and will be oke
no this aint good
sun player here😼
ah he cant split push that fast now😢
I am a lunox, Chang'e and odette main.
This is better early game as i don't jungle i go at exp lane and brtter kill secure any high damage squishy hero but split push sacrifice but its not big deal argus sacrifice push to 😂
No more tank build sun😢
How the f is that broken. That change has so many downsides. Only people are talking about is petrify with ult, but the sun needs to be close to enemy to summon a clone and there's no invincibility.
Its good they changed him. He was literally useless and only good for split pushing and did a bad job at that even because if you saw him on the enemy team you knew to watch for him and is easily countered. People would pick him and he would never help his team in fights or anything pretty much a troll pick.
When come on Asian server bro???
Please do Benedetta 🙏🙏
Yeah but no more ssolo lord solo tower and ultimately objectives are worse also he now cant doge skills with ult... Yeah assassin but flexibility is hit a lot
But no more Cancer push 😂
😢😢 I have a 82 WR with sun coz all I do is Turtle, Lord and push
Every match
It more on Nerf than broken 😂
no sun ult is gonna be weak
Rp now sun also using cloning mode now a days 🗿 this make New player suffer 😬
Worse , ult cant Dodge anymore + nerf on cd , so sun wont win a fight in early also losing at end game too, if compared to other meta xp lane hero