Q&A: Social or Biblical Justice?
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- Опубликовано: 12 сен 2024
- Pastor Jeff Durbin sits down at the Equip + Go Conference and answers the audience questions. In this clip Pastor Jeff talks about the message of justice in the Bible and how only the Bible can give an account for our desire to see justice fulfilled in our day .
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If I could as God to give me 1 gift, I'd ask gift of wisdom and ability to explain like Jeff does
Thats 2 gifts
Thank you for having the courage to call out the endemic sin of covetousness that is ignored or worse encouraged by most "Bible believing" pastors.
Thanks Pastor Jeff!!
The insight about incarceration is fire!
I thought the same thing about his insight on incineration
@@fushion999 does make you wonder if the convicted person of any crime, if they received whatever just punishment was issued, if we’d have less crime/repeat crime and people would be a lot safer. Because obviously murderers and worse criminals I would think would receive justice and that justice might cause them to cease to exist. However, with the opportunity to make their soul right with God through Christ first, so they can be reconciled with their Creator, regardless of how evil their life on earth has been. God’s forgiveness expands further than any human eye can see.
@@bravethewildgaming8139 People who commit a crime do so the majority of the time because they think they will not get caught. I dont believe it has as much to do with the severity.
Pastor Durbin, the phrase ‘cosmic broccoli’ is funnier than it first appears. Broccoli doesn’t appear in nature, it was made by man through ‘intelligent design’ LOL
Nicely put, thank you.
I would love to see pastor Jeff sit down with Aron Ra. He needs to hear the gospel and not his own lol.
The first shall be last.🤗
❤️
Saying that you can't have justice "without the god of the bible", is just so incredibly ignorant, how do someone end up that blind?
Its a bit like people who say that love without the Bible isn't really love.
Fundamentalism is a dangerous critter.
You would think so but if you look all throughout history it shows it doesn’t happen naturally
@@happypillman So there was never any justice in Japan or China? No justice in the pre-columbian Americas? Never any justice in ancient Athens?
@@grosenj when humans are babies all they care about is themselves. Humans have to be taught morals and empathy it doesn’t come naturally to us. Justice only happens when a group comes together, agrees on what’s right and wrong and creates laws to enforce this. Religion has been the main way throughout history in all cultures where the sense of what’s right and wrong were taught. Nowhere in history have humans experienced the levels of freedom and equality than they have under the laws of the Bible. Out of the places you mentioned I’d say only Athens was able to bring justice as they created the political system’s we use today.
China had the biggest slave industry in history. The Japanese were constantly killing each other for power and slaughtered 40,000 Japanese Christians for there faith. Per-Columbian Americans had mass slavery and routinely sacrificed children to their gods (have you seen the movie Apocalypto).
The reason we have the freedom we do now is because western society’s political system were based on Athens and our laws and values were based on Christianity. If it wasn’t for Christianity we wouldn’t see this level of peace and most of us would be in slavery.
@@happypillman The issue is the standard of morality. God's is objective because it transcends our standards. Our standards are malleable and unreliable. Good luck living out moral relativism.
Gave this channel a chance. Test failed.
Re: @4:37 ... 2 Corinthians 8:13-15.
There's a difference between giving and taking. If you have abundance, you should be willing to give. It doesn't give someone else the right to take out of covetousness. Think about it.
First again!
But God puts sinners into a firey cage for eternity and calls it justice so why is locking up a criminal for 80yrs unjust?
It’s not
Because it’s theft of taxpayer money. Why does society have to pay for criminals to live out their days with free Medicare, free food, free beds, etc.
I think PJ was just making a point about what comes to our mind when we think of justice might not be God’s justice
Sorry! I'm sure there have always been and always will be people who want other people's stuff. But to put all people who call for social justice in this very narrow viewpoint, it seems that you are speaking from a bias heart. Something has gotten under your skin and you got to strike against it with your flesh. Maybe? No matter if you agree or disagree with the civil rights movement in the '60s and 70s which called for social justice. Bad theology, yes, but it was not about wanting other people's stuff. You are preaching another gospel, anti-social justice gospel, which is not a gospel at all.
jesus was a progressive - im proud to line up with jesus - its all about the poor
No he wasn’t, he followed the law through and through. He never advocated for the freedom of the Jews under Roman control.
What do you mean by progressive?
It’s unfortunate that Jeff doesn’t engage with the best version of social justice advocacy, especially that coming from faithful believers, instead relying on a straw-man.
Covetousness is wrong-absolutely. But how are opposing things like redlining, the bail bond system, over-policing, and the disproportionate use of deadly force examples of wanting someone else’s stuff?
Likewise, isn’t opposing abortion a matter of social justice? Strange that he so easily sees the systematic influences that lead to something like abortion but fails (refuses?) to see the systematic influences that lead to various other societal sins.
Crying “Marxism” is a disappointing and lazy red herring, used on everyone from DuBois to MLK, and Jeff is a better debater than that 🤷🏽♂️
I don't know what social justice is, but I do know what justice is. The Bible speaks about justice (not social justice, which is cultural marxist language, you need to acknowledge that) and if you want justice then read the Bible and implement its precepts. That's it. We don't need to learn from peddlers of Gods word attempting to redefine justice.
@@soluschristus1689 if you don’t know what something is, how can you say the Bible doesn’t speak of it?
Not trying to pull a “gotcha,” but you’re reinforcing my point. You’re presenting a red herring. Using unequal measures and showing partiality ARE biblical topics. You may disagree with the explanation for those discrepancies, but nothing I’ve said is inherently Marxist.
We’re in agreement-read the Bible and implement its precepts. That includes telling the truth… even about those you disagree with.
Obviously u haven't read the Bible..or you choose not to believe the truth. Laying down with someone you aren't married to is not systemic..being ungodly is.
It's so disheartening. So many of my apologist heroes have broken my heart over the past 12 months towing this line.
@@MicJones I feel you. I once heard Paul Washer say, "There is no such thing as a great man of God, only weak, pitiful, faithless men of a great and merciful God.” That's been a balm for my soul bro. There are plenty of people I admire aspects of-Jeff included-but I'm determined not to have heroes anymore. It's an unfair burden to place on others and a sure way to be disappointed myself.
You can be LGBT and Christian no problem
Book chapter verse ?
Book chapter verse ?
@@fisherwomanforJesus what God has done is plain to see. That's why you are without excuse.
@@dansaber8435 that shows all know God exists , and that He is just and right to punish all sin, yet men love darkness rather than light , out of the overflow of the heart comes evil thoughts .
@@fisherwomanforJesus so why don't you do what Adam and Eve did before they fell. And trust God. Renew your mind. Clear your conscience. You can be born again.