Part of the benefit to the crosshair is how it rejects multipathing and gathers in a correct signal. Patches will quickly fail in these environments, this also includes mountains.
3 or 5 turn helical sounds good, you're right! Have you seen the clever test setup of the red baron guy I linked here? VERY NICE! Thanks for commenting here, greets Mario
I use to swap out all the time in the beginning like 3 years ago now. But i had a crappy box goggle and it didn't matter much what I used. I finally got me some Aomway commander v1 and the sensitivity was night and day! Soon need to upgrade even those maybe the sky zone with the oleds now i run a pico patch and a foxeer lollipop 2 and that combo had worked great for me. Maybe ill upgrade those eventually. I also really like pagoda antenna as well. Love your videos man loyal subscriber
Good video thank u for the demonstration I don't have goggles yet but hopefully I'll get them this week or at least pay for them . So I need to know all this testing so I will know what kind of antenas I'll put on them thank u.
yep, this guy cam to the same finding here: ruclips.net/video/JjRWUmO9deg/видео.html but at the same time the antenna had the worst image quality... I think I will test the crosshair some more.
That's a good sign :) I have not given up on the crosshair yet. Part of me wants to fly with a groundstation again, and use a few (3) of these tasty antennas ;)
A lot of long range guys recommend the truerc x-air I haven't tried it but, I prefer helical antennas or bi-quads for my micro's that have linear antenna, I just build my own then I know they're tuned for my frequency and if there is any issue I know it's nobodies fault but, my own and in my experience they perform better than the manufactured one. Bruce from rc model reviews actually did a build guide a little while ago and his DIY helical thrown together without perfection in mind and still performed better than what is often known as the best commercially available helical from circular wireless. There is a pretty big effect from the frequency it's built for on 5.8 a difference of a millimeter will completely change the tuned frequency, it's just a matter of when you assemble them by hand by the hundreds or thousands you're going to try and get it done as quick as possible for the sake of profit it seems the menace works best because it is a bolt together antenna so it's easy to assemble quick and dirty and still get good results, plus it doesn't hurt that Greg over at menace rc is pretty good at designing antenna as well.
Thanks for your input. I know that Bruce likes the helical. I will try to get a 3 or 5 heli - but I doubt that it will perform any good if I build it :)
@@Rcschim Go for the 5, 3 are not worth much and you'd be surprised how easy it is to build a decent antenna if you take your time and measure everything twice, if you follow Bruce's video tutorial I bet it'd turn out great. The one thing I don't like about a helical is the size for mounting to your goggle, I think this is why patch antenna are the most popular.
I got two for my dji (one side), had to convert because antennas and goggles have pins. Once I got right connector in, tried them on one side, truerc x-air on the other...crosshair extreme seems to punch through foliage and buildings better imo. May get two for the other side too!
Great tests there. The VAS Crosshair really performs great which I am planning to get. Have you tried the Realacc Triple Feed Patch antennas? I currently have it and trying to find a comparison with the VAS Crosshair. Have a nice day!
Hi, yes, I think you will like this test here: ruclips.net/video/inXNLnGXewo/видео.html VAS Crosshair got place 9 where TFP was 22 ;) you should also consider a 3 or 6 turn helical. they are a bit less practical, but have great performance / price ratio.
At 15:27 you say the TFP mini you're not happy but why does it look like the least breakup? Is the TFP mini not the middle one or am i missing something? Lol
Hi, I agree the tfp looks good here as well. But those tests are difficult and inaccurate. Later in 2020 I came up with a better way of testing antennas and here the tfp ranked 22nd out of 39 ;) check the video: ruclips.net/video/inXNLnGXewo/видео.html
Thanks for sharing! I'm to brand loyal to iBcrazy but that's in part because I'm still rocking my original LHCP pepperbox with grate results, but that's just me and my lucky situation. 🥃cheers🍻
I have a few different ones, I think in one video I compared 3 of them. The good old FR632 worked quite nice over the years. see if you can get something similar. I also got the CV20 groundstation but honestly dont think for a normal FPVer it would be worth the extra cost. maybe it's really good in extreme situations that I just didnt encounter. for longer range I've put 2 circular wireless helicals on and it gave me good range and quality.
RCSchim ok sounds good. I listen to you as a technical authority so I appreciate your feedback Update on clearview 2.0 I was sent defective unit and when I returned the unit clearview stopped responding to me Next I will try a cheaper solution like you talked about
yep, it's hard to test those antennas. my best attempt till now was with 1mw vtx and 5m away a super sensitive RF measurement devive - and just writing down the bare numbers...
My thought too. I already have the immersion mini one. Now that I've seen the differences, I'm not disappointed. Even though the menace is about 5-6 USD less it has very impressive performance
interesting results, antenna is such a mysterious art, i watched painless360 when he visited menace rc test lab and i was intrigued to see how antennae have preferred channels, '' sweetspots'' and how even plastic can change the performance,
ha, plastic was taken out of the equation on that Foxeer Echo (forcefully by rcschim - the drone engeneer - kind of) :) tho the foxy performed the least :) looking inside I found that this is probbably the cheapest to build. So I dont have a lot of faith in Foxeer when it comes to antennas... check out that RedBaron antenna test I've linked - if you dont know it yet. Super attempt of showing antennas capabilities!
About the antenna preferred channel, I've found that ORT is selling a couple of fine tuned antennas, one omni and one helical, both tuned for the same preferred channel. I'm curious about that solution, but my feeling is that the benefits don't worth the additional cost.
not a good idea. since these reflections come in at different times - this will give you intereferences. in fact: we use circular polarized antennas for that reason: eliminate reflections as good as you can.
nope - but I've seen them tested in the Red Baron video (which I've linked here) Dont know how much of these antennas I actually wanna buy (getting them for free didnt work that well). Currently I'm quite happy with the Menace. I also think that I wanna test a 3 or 5 turn helical (seen them from prodrone). I have those larger helicals from Circular wireless - and they are great - but a bit unpractical directly on the goggles...
Just received the menace RC, was wondering if using spray paint would affect its performance more than 2-3%? Anyone know if common spray paints have any metal in them?
Yes they have. Depends on the coulour of course. Matt black will most likely have carbon. For the rest I don't know normally you can see it on the back
I didnt test the TFP fully here - sorry. On my goggles it looked not good with them. In my test last year it also didnt perform that well. - so I guess the Menace would be a bit better. but check this test: ruclips.net/video/a9j6-313BoA/видео.html I think 3turn helicals (spiral antennas) are even better. I will test something like an ORT 3turn helical next
hi, since I trust the quality of Hugos designs I say TureRC is always good! but I didn't test it in this combination. I think I have something similar in form of a DJI HD patch antenna - and that is a good antenna - just was a bit unpractical to mount on the DJI goggles...
@Russell Phelan That is due to a incompatibility with the camera, it's something to do with the frame recombining, newer firmware helps and there are some settings you can change to help prevent it.
@Russell Phelan lol, i know but you don't get the flicking when it changes receiver and the multipath rejection is way better. it's hard to see on a dvr but in person its noticeable. I would rate the achilles as a very good diversity goggle on par with the true d x and rapidfire for the switching but for bad RF environments the rapidfire is better. Also the new rapidmix from eachine is like $60 and is basically a rapidfire ripoff
@Russell PhelanI owned the attitude v5 so i had the stock module in that which is a basic diversity module, and here is an example in with the true D. ruclips.net/video/ibdMW12pBtY/видео.html Yes twice as much does not mean twice the performance though
Yeah, it's why I stopped using 5.8g ages ago...1280mhz kills it, even when using only a 200mw vtx...Good test though, predictably difficult to pick a winner...5.8g is just so critical on tune and leaves and foliage suck up your signal.
@@EnplusX I use a Lawmate video reciever, a little more expensive but worth it..Not one of those cheap vrxs in the grey metal boxes....Key is also my 8dbi linear Patch antenna tuned for 1280mhz...I then use a low power 5.8g vrx to relay the signal to a Monitor or Goggles...vtxs, all seem to come from a similar source in China...but 200mw is plenty.
Convenience beats performance... I really like a small patch... So I don't have to disassemble my goggles after use.. throw em in the bag, next time they are ready to use...
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Part of the benefit to the crosshair is how it rejects multipathing and gathers in a correct signal. Patches will quickly fail in these environments, this also includes mountains.
RCSchim you really done a Nice job Testing the Antennas ! Another Super Nice video ! Thanks !
I would have liked to have seen a 5-turn helical thrown in for comparison. I'm still a fan of helicals over patches :-)
3 or 5 turn helical sounds good, you're right!
Have you seen the clever test setup of the red baron guy I linked here? VERY NICE!
Thanks for commenting here, greets Mario
I use to swap out all the time in the beginning like 3 years ago now. But i had a crappy box goggle and it didn't matter much what I used. I finally got me some Aomway commander v1 and the sensitivity was night and day! Soon need to upgrade even those maybe the sky zone with the oleds now i run a pico patch and a foxeer lollipop 2 and that combo had worked great for me. Maybe ill upgrade those eventually. I also really like pagoda antenna as well. Love your videos man loyal subscriber
I've been waiting for this review for ages - thanks for comparing these antennas!
Its always a pleasure watching your reviews thank you for giving me the edge and buying Menace patch antenna, great video as always.
Good video thank u for the demonstration I don't have goggles yet but hopefully I'll get them this week or at least pay for them . So I need to know all this testing so I will know what kind of antenas I'll put on them thank u.
Great flying, testing and comparison, Mario! 😊
Thanks a lot!
thanks MC!
Mario the the strength of the VAS XTREME is it has MUCH wider beam in which it holds higher gain wider throughout the beam width
yep, this guy cam to the same finding here: ruclips.net/video/JjRWUmO9deg/видео.html
but at the same time the antenna had the worst image quality...
I think I will test the crosshair some more.
I have teste the Foxeer, Menace Picopatch and the crosshair extreme, and the crosshair is still on my goggles :)
That's a good sign :)
I have not given up on the crosshair yet.
Part of me wants to fly with a groundstation again, and use a few (3) of these tasty antennas ;)
@@Rcschim Die ist top, am kwad die die triumph pro und an der brille noch die ion v2 läuft erste sahne :)
I too was thinking maybe the Crosshair needs more power to be able to perform optimally.
No TrueRC? MX2-Air (dual hemispheric arrayed) and X2-Air (dual arrayed Crosshair) FTW!!!
A lot of long range guys recommend the truerc x-air I haven't tried it but, I prefer helical antennas or bi-quads for my micro's that have linear antenna, I just build my own then I know they're tuned for my frequency and if there is any issue I know it's nobodies fault but, my own and in my experience they perform better than the manufactured one. Bruce from rc model reviews actually did a build guide a little while ago and his DIY helical thrown together without perfection in mind and still performed better than what is often known as the best commercially available helical from circular wireless. There is a pretty big effect from the frequency it's built for on 5.8 a difference of a millimeter will completely change the tuned frequency, it's just a matter of when you assemble them by hand by the hundreds or thousands you're going to try and get it done as quick as possible for the sake of profit it seems the menace works best because it is a bolt together antenna so it's easy to assemble quick and dirty and still get good results, plus it doesn't hurt that Greg over at menace rc is pretty good at designing antenna as well.
Thanks for your input. I know that Bruce likes the helical. I will try to get a 3 or 5 heli - but I doubt that it will perform any good if I build it :)
@@Rcschim Go for the 5, 3 are not worth much and you'd be surprised how easy it is to build a decent antenna if you take your time and measure everything twice, if you follow Bruce's video tutorial I bet it'd turn out great. The one thing I don't like about a helical is the size for mounting to your goggle, I think this is why patch antenna are the most popular.
Huge review ! Thanks a lot ✌️
I bought the extreme crosshair for extreme los distance. I got 5 VAS antennas today and will share results.
What were your results?
I got two for my dji (one side), had to convert because antennas and goggles have pins. Once I got right connector in, tried them on one side, truerc x-air on the other...crosshair extreme seems to punch through foliage and buildings better imo. May get two for the other side too!
@@trowland9575 The combo I am using now for urban and scenic is the skyhammer and Rotor or mad mushroom.
@@trowland9575 Also using the GepRCC hybrid Triple feed patch -1 it has a pagoda patch set up optional lhcp or rhcp in one antenna.
Great tests there. The VAS Crosshair really performs great which I am planning to get. Have you tried the Realacc Triple Feed Patch antennas? I currently have it and trying to find a comparison with the VAS Crosshair. Have a nice day!
Hi, yes, I think you will like this test here: ruclips.net/video/inXNLnGXewo/видео.html
VAS Crosshair got place 9 where TFP was 22 ;) you should also consider a 3 or 6 turn helical. they are a bit less practical, but have great performance / price ratio.
@@Rcschim Oh wow what a detailed comparison. I see, I'll certainly get the VAS Crosshair Xtreme and the Ion. Thanks so much sir.
At 15:27 you say the TFP mini you're not happy but why does it look like the least breakup? Is the TFP mini not the middle one or am i missing something? Lol
Hi, I agree the tfp looks good here as well. But those tests are difficult and inaccurate. Later in 2020 I came up with a better way of testing antennas and here the tfp ranked 22nd out of 39 ;) check the video: ruclips.net/video/inXNLnGXewo/видео.html
How did you calibrate your channels on the Quantum DIV RX?, the channels on mine are no where near the same levels. I cant use it as a diversity RX.
Thanks for sharing! I'm to brand loyal to iBcrazy but that's in part because I'm still rocking my original LHCP pepperbox with grate results, but that's just me and my lucky situation.
🥃cheers🍻
So let’s say my ClearView 2.0 never gets fixed, what diversity receiver could you suggest I look at for a ground station build?
I have a few different ones, I think in one video I compared 3 of them. The good old FR632 worked quite nice over the years. see if you can get something similar.
I also got the CV20 groundstation but honestly dont think for a normal FPVer it would be worth the extra cost. maybe it's really good in extreme situations that I just didnt encounter. for longer range I've put 2 circular wireless helicals on and it gave me good range and quality.
RCSchim ok sounds good. I listen to you as a technical authority so I appreciate your feedback
Update on clearview 2.0 I was sent defective unit and when I returned the unit clearview stopped responding to me
Next I will try a cheaper solution like you talked about
Difference between those is not obviously visible. I would go with best priced one.
yep, it's hard to test those antennas.
my best attempt till now was with 1mw vtx and 5m away a super sensitive RF measurement devive - and just writing down the bare numbers...
My thought too. I already have the immersion mini one. Now that I've seen the differences, I'm not disappointed. Even though the menace is about 5-6 USD less it has very impressive performance
interesting results, antenna is such a mysterious art, i watched painless360 when he visited menace rc test lab and i was intrigued to see how antennae have preferred channels, '' sweetspots'' and how even plastic can change the performance,
ha, plastic was taken out of the equation on that Foxeer Echo (forcefully by rcschim - the drone engeneer - kind of) :)
tho the foxy performed the least :) looking inside I found that this is probbably the cheapest to build. So I dont have a lot of faith in Foxeer when it comes to antennas...
check out that RedBaron antenna test I've linked - if you dont know it yet. Super attempt of showing antennas capabilities!
About the antenna preferred channel, I've found that ORT is selling a couple of fine tuned antennas, one omni and one helical, both tuned for the same preferred channel. I'm curious about that solution, but my feeling is that the benefits don't worth the additional cost.
Could you actually place metal reflectors along a racetrack to guide your video signal? :D
not a good idea. since these reflections come in at different times - this will give you intereferences.
in fact: we use circular polarized antennas for that reason: eliminate reflections as good as you can.
Which antenna is on the quadcopter?
RCSchim Have you already tested prodrone antennas? For me, these are the best antennas on the market.
nope - but I've seen them tested in the Red Baron video (which I've linked here)
Dont know how much of these antennas I actually wanna buy (getting them for free didnt work that well).
Currently I'm quite happy with the Menace.
I also think that I wanna test a 3 or 5 turn helical (seen them from prodrone).
I have those larger helicals from Circular wireless - and they are great - but a bit unpractical directly on the goggles...
Just received the menace RC, was wondering if using spray paint would affect its performance more than 2-3%?
Anyone know if common spray paints have any metal in them?
Yes they have. Depends on the coulour of course.
Matt black will most likely have carbon. For the rest I don't know normally you can see it on the back
I have my old realacc 13dbi triple feed patch that I don't really use, will I get better results with the menaceRc patch?
I didnt test the TFP fully here - sorry. On my goggles it looked not good with them.
In my test last year it also didnt perform that well. - so I guess the Menace would be a bit better.
but check this test: ruclips.net/video/a9j6-313BoA/видео.html
I think 3turn helicals (spiral antennas) are even better.
I will test something like an ORT 3turn helical next
what about the TrueRC X-Air II?
hi, since I trust the quality of Hugos designs I say TureRC is always good! but I didn't test it in this combination. I think I have something similar in form of a DJI HD patch antenna - and that is a good antenna - just was a bit unpractical to mount on the DJI goggles...
What’s the name of that thing connected to the antenna?
Do you mean the Quanum Receiver? At witch time in the video?
My God the rapidfire almost rolled 4 times while the normal receiver's were great. What is up with that
@Russell Phelan That is due to a incompatibility with the camera, it's something to do with the frame recombining, newer firmware helps and there are some settings you can change to help prevent it.
@Russell Phelan lol, i know but you don't get the flicking when it changes receiver and the multipath rejection is way better. it's hard to see on a dvr but in person its noticeable. I would rate the achilles as a very good diversity goggle on par with the true d x and rapidfire for the switching but for bad RF environments the rapidfire is better. Also the new rapidmix from eachine is like $60 and is basically a rapidfire ripoff
@Russell PhelanI owned the attitude v5 so i had the stock module in that which is a basic diversity module, and here is an example in with the true D.
ruclips.net/video/ibdMW12pBtY/видео.html
Yes twice as much does not mean twice the performance though
Yeah, it's why I stopped using 5.8g ages ago...1280mhz kills it, even when using only a 200mw vtx...Good test though, predictably difficult to pick a winner...5.8g is just so critical on tune and leaves and foliage suck up your signal.
Hi, I am interested by 1280 mhz, but what is your TX, RX RECOMMENDATIONS? Thanks.
@@EnplusX I use a Lawmate video reciever, a little more expensive but worth it..Not one of those cheap vrxs in the grey metal boxes....Key is also my 8dbi linear Patch antenna tuned for 1280mhz...I then use a low power 5.8g vrx to relay the signal to a Monitor or Goggles...vtxs, all seem to come from a similar source in China...but 200mw is plenty.
Convenience beats performance... I really like a small patch... So I don't have to disassemble my goggles after use.. throw em in the bag, next time they are ready to use...
Yep, I see it the same way. That's why I found the menace to be the overall winner here.