Powerful moment for Sylvanas. You can tell from the look on her face that she never thought anyone could trust her that much. She's completely stunned for hours, trying to wrap her mind around what just happened. Then at the funeral she seems to decide that the Horde, not just the Forsaken, is worth fighting for. In that moment you see a bit of the ranger she was before Arthas killed her. Then Blizzard decided she was the next Garrosh, and killed her character deader than the Lich King did.
Literally the alliance should’ve attacked lordaeron first and then she could’ve attacked teldrassil as a retaliation then she could’ve gotten the recognition she Deserves
Fuck, I know this is 9 months ago, but this is so fucking true. Sylvnas' character had obviously been developed for something like this since the beginning. The whole BFA/Shadowlands bullshit was never where her story was going. Re-watching these old vids, I feel so sorry for the squandered storytelling potential with her as warchief.
Dude when she just stands there, this shit brings on tears every time. Too bad the writers took her in the direction they did, there was such incredible potential. Hail Sylvanas.
The new writers lacked the understanding of the horde faction, many plot holes poorly written characters and scenes. They could have had voljin fight with varian below in the legion pit and die together and then the game turns into civil war between Jaina who wants the horde off the map and sylvans who wants immortality… but the writers are not fair nor balanced the scenes between the 2 factions
Look on the alliance Side of the whole plot. Why does Jana get evil in the moment garrosh falls and tells Varian to dismantle the horde? Look it up she helped Thrall and she understands the horde better than anyone else. Even better is the plot twist of arthas in Shadowland...
@@Pappaelron although I agree 100% that the plot has been very inconsistent (to say the least), Jaina had a reason for being bitter with the Horde "all of a sudden" despite her benevolent history with the Horde. And the reason is the siege of dalaran. Look it up if you don't remember why it happened.
I agree. The direction that they took with Sylvannas was poor. I was hoping it would show that Sylvannas would make a great WarChief instead of as a traitor.
@@christianziphone A bit late here but the Alliance were the aggressors throughout this storyline. When Sylvanas sent Goblins to collect azerite, it was the Alliance that attacked first because they didn't want the Horde to have their hands on it. On paper, the Alliance pushed and prodded every step of the way (dating back to Genn Greymane's soldiers breaking a peace treaty early on in Legion). It just doesn't seem so from a cinematic perspective because the writing just simply isn't there, it's sloppy. The story would have been much better if Jaina succumbed to arcane corruption and bombed Orgrimmar in retaliation to the destruction of Theramore, which is what was supposed to happen. There were leaked audio files of her voice lines which display exactly that back then. Blizzard pussied out of a great story and instead diluted Jaina's character by turning her into a short-sighted individual. Look at when she pushes Varian to end the Horde when Vol'jin was crowned Warchief. That was honestly a pathetic, downgraded version of their original intent and it really damaged her as a character imo. Aside from some lackluster expansions content-wise, this really was the turning point for terribly story-telling by Blizzard. Jaina's corruption and influence in the Alliance would have completely set the path for Sylvanas being justified in every difficult decision she's made since. Instead, they watered down the Alliance's aggressiveness as much as possible to preserve the "good guy" mentality. Fast forward to current events, everything they've done with Sylvanas in cinematics is completely on point and in line with her character, but she's constantly misused throughout the actual gameplay. The Alliance is immune to corrupt/evil leadership while the Horde has been subjected to it for multiple expansions, so they can have another rebellion so the Horde players feel justified in the end as the Alliance players get fed super basic good-aligned heroes. This is why people laughed at Blizzard for saying Sylvanas is morally grey, even though she really is. They just don't see the bigger picture because their knowledge of lore is based off the cinematic experience and the handful of questlines they actually pay attention to, which are always biased for whichever faction you're playing.
1:28 the way she just stared at him, standing in the exact same place as he says his final words, as he dies, as they’re taking him away, and at the empty throne, I feel like it’s a rare moment where her character shows raw emotion. She’s speechless, unable to move, and her thoughts are likely very scattered. I love this cinematic.
Holy shit.. Blizzard kept these cutscenes from even us closed beta players. I legit just teared up when Vol'jin died. Now I have further motivation to take the Legion down!
Yep. An undead elf now leads the horde consisting of Orcs, Tauren and Trolls, Ogre etc...yeah. Right. That's the first thing which comes into my mind: Undead elves, when I think about Horde. Fuck this story arc...hopefully we don't have to deal with this shit too much.
+Keydiam I see it as the only option. No one in the Horde left to lead it but her. She not the best but she is suitable. I know she a undead bitch but gonna accept she's the only one who can lead. Baine, Lothemar, Gallywix... They are not suited
Lothemar definitely can, but he wasn't chosen. I doubt he would have wanted to be the Warchief, unless he's forced to. I was hopping Vol'jin faked his death or something, but looks like he's truly dead. 3 brothers formed the Horde, only 1 left alive. Goel must feel like shit right now.
+MasterX25 Lother mar will reject the position immediately and Vol jin knows Lother mar will reject it due to the weight of being warchief. Thrall is already in deep shit, the doom hammer is not his but ours. hahahahaha
August The Magic King Blizzard simply fails to create new characters...and when they do, they kill them off after a few expansions (Nazgrim and Taylor). But, oh well. Now Sylvanas has one of the biggest meat shield in Azeroth and can go on with her plans of eternal unliving which she does in Stormheim, which obviously doesn't make any sense for warriors as the serve Odyn and would kill the Valk'yr which made a pact with Sylvanas.
Right, with everyone pissed off at Sylvanas for burning the tree, now those words sound really prophetical. Let's trust Vol was right. For the Banshee Queen!
Imagine if you will, a reluctant new war chief. Who always fought for herself, now in charge of everyone else. Thrust into the limelight: only her cunning and ruthlessness being tools for carrying the Horde through the horrors of the Burning Legion. That was a great story arc for the character. What a bloody shame all the writing that came after that, with BFA and Shadowlands effectively working together to sap all the good will, momentum, and interesting story beats out of that one moment they so perfectly cultivated. It's like if Mona Lisa retroactively had shit smeared all over it.
Loa Spirits: "Voljin, that wound will claim you soon. We must discuss your successor as Warchief." Voljin: "Sure. I reccommend Baine, Lorthemar or perhaps Saurfang. All highly respected, with lots of leader experience, and has proven their good faith, intelligence and diplomatic skills multible times over the years". Loa spirits: "Nah, take the crazy, psyco-bitch". Voljin: "kk"
And yet Sylvanis has more experience than all of them combined. She used to be Ranger General, when she was alive, and she was a long living high elf. Even more so, Sylvanis is the best strategist out of all the Horde Leaders. She wins.
Thallanar Rabidtooth Sylvanis advocated the elves into the horde and see her as an important figure, not to mention that she has lead the undead and became a Ranger General. True, Lothemar may be as old as Sylvanis, the difference is that Sylvanis actually cares for the horde while the elves are solely fixated on survival
@@logancloud2222 She doesn't care about the Horde, though... only the Forsaken. Back in Legion, she was about to subjugate Eyir and force her to create more Val'kyrs for the Forsaken, but luckily Greymane ambushed her and destroyed her plan. Not to mention what happened after killing Saurfang during the Mak'Gora in Battle for Azeroth; the phrase "the Horde is nothing" speaks for itself. I admit you're right about the best strategist stuff. She's an amazing plotter, haha.
I'm happy for Sylvanas, but it sucks that Vol'jin died without achieving anything major as Warchief. Unless he plays being dead very, very convincingly...
Why would he stick around in the world of the living when he can ascend and become a Loa spirit and unite the troll tribes under a single banner to help the Alliance & Horde from beyond the grave?
maybe he'll help you as a spirit? shaman do often talk to dead spirits....so i bet those lazy shamans hanging around the portal area cand talk to his ass he be helpin ya from da spirit plane mon
Sylvanas is a bad guy tho why are you happy for her. She didn't care about vol Jin or the alliance. My god im sick of seeing all these blind players in here.
Baine is too young for Warchief, he is unexperienced and this is not a normal fight, this is a planetary invasion of demons I wouldn't put a noob for leading the Horde in times like these. Also, Sylvanas was ranger general of Quelthalas armies when she was alive. She's the best fitting role for warchief right now. The horde needs a military strategist who can hurt the Legion's lines.
While you have good aurgement Agustin, wouldn't Lor'themar be as good leader? He have been leader, probably just as long as Sylvanas? Wouldn't he be a better and more popular choice than her? I thinking in the game, cause blood elves seems better seen than forsaken in general. : o
Did people forget that Vol'jin lead the rebellion against Garrosh, noone else wanted to, they were too afraid of leading and the consequences, only Vol'jin stood up to him and almost got killed because of it, didn't stop him from continuing, how do you think he became Warchief? I don't know much about the lore but he didn't just sit on his arse for the entirety of this life. Also to those saying he did nothing, what about the other leaders, they did nothing during this entire expansion, why single him out?
Vol'Jin told Garrosh to his face "you be no Warchief of mine." And also, "Ya will spend ya reign glancin' over ya shoulder and fearin' the shadows, for when da time comes and ya blood slowly drains out, ya will know exactly who fired da arrow dat pierced ya heart." BAMF for speaking up to a jacked orc like Garrosh.
He did nothing throughout WoD, which is both fair and sadly true. What's pissed people off the most is that Vol'jin didn't do anything during his reign as Warchief because the writers never did anything with him. And now he's gone. It's a poor way to treat a really great character and he really got the short end of the stick. Some final waves from what a clusterf*ck WoD was in terms of story delivery. Varian was at least lucky in that he had more story development and character growth in various places. Would have been nice to have seen what Vol'jin would do as Warchief.
Actually in books Baine was the one who openly tried to stand up against Garrosh, and Vol'jin was afraid for his people, sadly no1 ralied behind Baine....Vol'jin only late in MoP went against Garrosh. It's sad that a lot of Lore is behind books and lots of good characters stories are not known by most. I am not bashing Vol'jin cause he is one of my favorite chars.
Sourfang wanted to go against her from the start. he was the most demoralizing horde member. Yes, Sylvanas did bad things, horrible even, but when I have seen trailer for defending the undercity and she said "For the horde" and he ran all enthusiastic and when he had his little chat with that troll kid and decided that he will fight....then the real game starts and he refuses to fight as soon as the game starts, becomes depressing and surrenders himself. Later as he explains to Anduin " What Sylvanas really is" its more like he is projecting. Sure, she was horrible but she is in no way another Guldan. No matter how bad she is, her ideals are different from Guldans, he sounded like he wanted an excuse. She didnt want to even fight him, he insisted on it. Sylvanas did many bad and inexcusable things but her reasoning was different. If you want to face an opponnent, understand them first. She craved no power, she just wanted to fill up the maw for some reason. Also I think that a servant of light should go with the Naru, not be brainwashed to serve the fake angels or anywhere a soulless construct deems they should be. Afterlife wasnt supposed to be this way, they highjacked it and started playing gods.
Story wise Vol'jin is a boring character, my guess is blizzard wanted him out to make room for a more interesting and lore friendly Sylvanas. In either case it should make the story a good follow, even if the rest of the expansion sucks. /crossing fingers
I think you're mixing up what I said, Vol'jin took us through WoD, the shittiest expansion to ever grace WoW, I don't even know how you could mix up what I said considering Vol'jin is now dead and can't lead us through Legion. The extent of his leadership was incredibly lackluster, he wasn't built up in any meaningful way, and he didn't accomplish ANYTHING. I wasn't spouting any negative opinion about Legion, as I haven't played it yet. Learn to read.
Norlamin I just misread your comment. My bad. Though I wouldn't call WoD shit. It did have some really amazing raids and the questing and lore was really good.
For those wondering why VJ wasnt healed, if you paid attention after broken shores horde side (for those doing demonhunter I recommend you do horde broken shores too) then you learn that he was struck by a fel-blade which poisoned him. Not only this, but VJ himself "refused" to be healed when Baine offered, this is because VJ never 'wanted' to lead. The role was forced on him, it was a role he was never suited to, like Garrosh. VJ was a warrior, not a leader, at best, he knew how to rally a rebellion and lead armies, but manage the Horde as a people? That was not VJ's strength. VJ understands that, and Sylvanas, Sylvanas may not be the best leader, infact thats the entire point, shes the WORST since Garrosh. But Sylvanas has a chance for redemption here, a chance to show she is not the villian like Garrosh was. She's sort of like Rick Grimes in Walking Dead, she can do what no one else can, make the hard choices, lead the people, decide who gets what and divide rations and ammo amoung the survivors. The Horde is a race of survivors, and though she is undead, her people cannot reproduce and thus, to survive, they must kill, and reincarnate others into their ranks. She knows the Horde better than the Horde knows itself. But now, she has to lead it. That, will be the making of her, and as VJ said, you have to step out of the shadow and lead. She too hates the idea of being responsible for everyone, but she has a better understanding of what everyone "wants" and was the one to diplomatically bring the Blood Elves into the Horde so she is not incapable of being tactful at Diplomacy. Shes a manipulative, cruel, ruthless, heartless woman that has done some terrible, aweful and unforgiveable things. And yet... That is exactly what the Horde "needs" to survive. Hence... why VJ chose "her" and no one else.
I agree with everything you said, but I'd like to point out that the Loa choose Sylvanas, not Vol'Jin, even tho he seemed to understand why they choose her.
in wow timeline he has almost just lost one of his closest friends, cairne. thrall afterall is actually not that much of a mary sue as people say, he has done alot of mistakes. i just dont think he can handle the death of vol'jin
Listening to the chanting of "For the Horde!" at the end, I kind of regret playing only Alliance characters. It's so goosebump-inducing and epic. It really shows their loyalty and honor to their faction. Lok'tar ogar, Vol'jin. Darkspear never die.
Amazing detail. Look closely to Vol'Jin's left eye. As he makes his last breath and whispers "War...Chief"...the colour literally leaves his eye, further underlying that he died in that moment. That's some amazing detail and makes this all the more tragic to me personally because the thing about death that makes it horrifying is the eyes because through them you can truly see the life leave somebody.
Yes please. Such a waste of great potential as a character. A fucking shadow hunter doing nothing. Known for being one of the most powerful at that. Just....... zzzz.
He is not that powerful at all. Took him a while to bring back a tiny island from a rebellious troll. Not to mention he had additional troubles fighting of a barely powerful naga afterwards. He is all talk and no walk, remember how he threatened Garrosh how he will "end him from the shadows with his spear" or something? Well never happened. I have difficulties seeing it happen as well, Garrosh would crack his spine in 3 seconds probably. And I remember SoO quest line, how he threatened Alliance players with his "shadow hunters". Where are these infamous shadow hunters on the broken shore? Guy is not a capable fighter, nor he is powerful for that matter. He's overrated.
That's Blizzard screwing up. Shadow Hunters are meant in lore to be very powerful beings. Which is also the reason why many are pissed about Vol'jins death, you never actually got to see his super powerful voodoo magic at work.
Listened to Vol'jin: Shadows of the Horde, where he comes back from the brink of death from being poisoned and is a badass. The Loa spirits basically let him live multiple times. Sadly the ignore him in Draenor then do this.
I cried so much when i saw this cinematic. As someone who has followed the world of warcraft lore since i was 9 years old, the stories of voljin and what he represented were always of great value to me. Taking away such a character 10 years later, hurts like hell. Rest in peace voljin, your sacrifice will not be forgotten
As yes, back before they decided to just **throw** all of Sylvanas' character development away, back when she was treated with at least some of respect to her story
And it was in this cutscene that I Finally realized it. Something about her that had been staring me in the face the whole time. Something I never realized. Something that explained everything. Sylvanas is totally a blondie.
“Many will not understand.”. *8.0* “For the Horde!!” *8.2.3* “The Horde is nothing. YOU ARE ALL NOTHING!!” “If you could see yourselves as I see you. Toy soldiers in tin plate. Beasts who howl for honor. Standing as one. Savor it. Nothing lasts.” Yeah Vol’jin you didn’t understand either.
I honestly still think this is a really great moment for Sylvanas. It was super emotional and had a lot of promise for the future!! Then BfA happened....
I am still pissed as hell about this. I mean Vol'jins reign as Warchief was filled with nothing. He showed up at the Level 3 Garrison and thats it. It was disrespectful to him and all his potential with the possible Troll Empire expansion and how he would interact with them. Instead he gets stabbed by a random demon and dies from poison, leaving Sylvanas-I-am-totally-the-new-Lich-Queen Windrunner as Warchief ? Lets even drop that see how both leaders die. Compare this death to Varian's where he went off like Highlander, getting stabbed twice by demons and getting blown up by Gul'dan... All the while the glorious Horde is sinking back like this... Vol'jin's reign is such a waste of story that it is painful to see this is how it ends. Also, who is the Troll Leader now ? We are already in limbo with Orc Leader and now Vol'jin , the most prominent and maybe the most commonly known Troll is gone too so who is leading them ? At least Cairne had Baine as his successor but now both Orcs and Trolls are leaderless. And don't expect me to accept Sylvanas as the general leader, her dealings will cause even more trouble. I mean she is making a deal with HELYA for god's sake. How is that something a Warchief would do ?
This shit is fucked, i honestly feel like Blizzard is trying to end the Warcraft universe right here and now in this expansion, by killing off all the awesome leaders and letting the Burning Legion destroy Azeroth.
Honestly well made cinematic. Small detail I love if Lorthemar of all people, a guy who spent hundreds of years warring with the trolls as a high elf, serves as a pallbearer. That and plenty of foresaken and elves mourning Vol'jin and joining in on the chants at the end really do show how an alignment initially out of convenience evolved into genuine comradery for many.
Thrall lost his powers because the elemental spirits are mad at him for using them to kill Garrosh. He retires after he helps you claim the Doomhammer for yourself.
And how we got from this emotive cutscene to how she is in bfa (and how jaina is suddenly a heroine everyone must love or else) is a testament to blizzard's poor writing
I am a true Alliance member since 2009, but Vol’Jin is defenitly one of my favorite charachters in wow. People bitching about him probaly never did read any of the books of warcraft there is so much lore about him....
anyone else start to tear up abit when he passed away i dont care what anyone says Vol'jin was the best warchief besides thrall im sad that he had such a short reign
@@Zerradable I'm a horde player and Sylvanas becoming warchief was huge. The writers took her in a really weird direction, but at the time there was such incredible potential for the story. Hail Sylvanas.
There aren't many cinematics that actually make me feel sad or hyped. I remember Lich King Patch 3.2 ("Let them come, frostmourne hungers") or the alliance shadowmoon valley cinematic (yeah, the horde one wasn't as awesome) But with this one, they reached a new high in terms of quality, motion capturing, synchronisation, music ... everything MATCHED ... glorious goosebumps. To bad the alliance side didn't see it. Actually the alliance side is quite left out in this case. Or they get their stuff later. Not to mention ... I waited since the time I started playing for sylvanas to be warchief. First time I meet her in undercity with my bloodelf hunter. :D
Sylvanas is the one we all have been waiting for. Rest in peace Vol'jin and hail our Lady Sylvanas. I'll follow her every command and will avenge Vol'jin under her banner.
Baine is that type of employee that does his job better than anyone else and he's the best person to count on. He's been with the company for over a decade now. Baine doesn't get a raise.
I completely agree. Sylvanas as warchief? I am a die hard horde player byt sylvanas did some fucked up shit to the alliance, so why does voljin give warchief title to sylvanas when the alliance and horde are not happy with one another. Baine has always been good at peace relations just like his father, but sylvanas? No
I'm 100% pro Alliance and don't have a single Horde character, but this still got me about as choked up as when Varian died. Right as he finished saying "You must....be...Warchieffff", bring in the piano with the "Ooooo'ing" choir in the background....I couldn't take it. That was quite sad :(.
Let me explain to your small brain something.If they stood there,the legion would have killed them,the horde!Better they run and live another day to destroy the legion than to die and let the horde and its history perish
I agree, without leaders the Horde might have pussied out and fled the battlefie... oh right. The Horde losing its leaders wouldn't change shit because they are pretty pathetic anyway.
Welp, she herself did nothing to avenge Vol'jin. Lol, all she did during Legion was trying to take control over a Val'kry queen so she can prolong her pathetic existence.
Let me explain you something.If they didn't retreat they would have died...with the whole horde.If they stood there,everything characters like Go'el,Cairne or others would have perished.Better they retreat and fight another day to destroy the legion,than to stay there like idiots
"Who among you...will help me avenge him?" Orc: me me! *kills random felguard* I got him! Undead: No i got him! "brings random felguards head to her* Tauren: Guys, I got him, Vol'jin Avenged *Shows Felguards head...looks at others* Huh..he did go out like a punk huh.. Troll: Didn't he kill da Felguard who killed him mon? *everyone looks at each other* "um what are we doing again?"
Officially, he's dead, but there are plenty of reasons to think he's not. -He chats with us and plots what is to be done after his death with all the other Horde leaders as he's "dying" -We don't see him die, we don't see a body. A pile of armor in a shroud is burnt and we are told that's him. -He's done literally nothing since being made Warcheif. -His book "Shadows of the Horde" was all about him getting super regeneration. -The troll god of death is a fan of his and keeps him alive. He's "dead". Of course, death in Warcraft follows these rules: First Rule of Warcraft Deaths: If we don't see the body, he is not really dead. Second Rule of Warcraft Deaths: If we do see the body, it is merely a setback. Third Rule of Warcraft Deaths: If it is not merely a setback, there is always undeath. Fourth Rule of Warcraft Deaths: Retcons are always possible.
I also want to point out that during the "Love is in the Air" holiday, after he "died", the card we got from turning in the bracelet in Org was signed by Vol'jin.
I cried as well. For me as a horde retired player, the alliance got the best death scene. But horde had the best emotional scene. I played a troll hunter in vanilla and a forsaken priest in TBC. Watching these two having this conversation hit me very hard.
+Decimalar One good response deserves another. We went there to fight not to suicide. Next time you guys decide to do a suicide ceremony, remember to tell us ok ?
Man, and sylvanas warchief seemed like such a great idea too, i mean, the forsaken are always doing their own thing so having the forsaken leader be the warchief wouldve increased the bond between them and the rest of the horde, and you know how the saying goes "monke together strong"
As much as Sylvanas has done a *lot* of questionable things, Vol'jin was right to point to her as the Warchief. The Horde needs someone who will stay focused on the Legion, and there is nothing Sylvanas does better than singleminded revenge.
i remember a time when people were saying that undeads being part of the horde was a lore abomination. if only they knew it'd only get worse from there
What I don't understand is this: Go'el -> Orgrimmar. Garrosh -> Orgrimmar. Vol'jin... -> Orgrimmar. Trols have their city now, but still. Sylvannas... ? Is Undercity the new Horde main city or will she move to Orgrimmar, leaving Undercity without ruler? Will we ever see an Undercity and Silvermoon rework, now that Sylvannas is warchief?
This to me is the start of the current age of blizzard writing. It's not that this scene was bad, or that it started them down a bad road, it's that it made a lot of narrative promises and never followed through on them. It really feels like the Blizzard writing team has been flying by the seat of their pants since legion: they think of cool set-pieces or shocking plot-twists, and then torture the narrative so it can include all of those moments. They burn teldrassil because it's shocking, but they come up with the idea of the shocking plot twist before they've given any thought to why it would burn or what character motivation could possible justify that. I would've been okay if they made Sylvanas the ruthlessly efficient leader who will do whatever it takes to advance the interests of the horde no matter how dishonorable it is or how many horde members have to die in the short term. Instead though they just make her pointlessly cruel. She commits night elf genocide even though it doesn't benefit her in the slightest, in fact in the Warbringers short they make it look like she did it to spite one single night elf who got under her skin. Her character has essentially been sacrificed on the altar of making more provocative trailers, and I hate that so much I can't even put it into words. Then, in one of the worst examples of this, they make her break a massive hole in the sky and then come up with a bunch of lore-shattering retcon bullshit to justify how she did that. At this point I don't even think it's just shit writers, I think higher-ups are leaning into areas beyond their expertise because they want provocative trailers to sell subscriptions in the short-term.
7 years later and I'm still tearing up every damn time I see this. I'm glad Vol'jin's story is still going forward, but his death was still so undeserved. Hurts even more that next to Grom Hellscream, he, Sylvanas, and Cairne were my most favored characters. I can't enjoy Sylvanas anymore after all the terrible writing they gave her and the rest is dead.
![Vol'jin Meets Lich King & Bwonsamdi Cinematics - ALL Cutscenes in ORDER [WoW Lore]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/yEigiBwT-nM/mqdefault.jpg)
Make him warcheif just to do nothing with him and kill him off... okay. Great writing.
Voljin was a great character before he become the warchief, it's not that he lacked story
saved the horde in Pandaria?
JAHAHAHA MON!
Metzen has no writing talent. None what so ever.
+Lord Proteus Warcraft 3?no? ok then
Powerful moment for Sylvanas. You can tell from the look on her face that she never thought anyone could trust her that much. She's completely stunned for hours, trying to wrap her mind around what just happened. Then at the funeral she seems to decide that the Horde, not just the Forsaken, is worth fighting for. In that moment you see a bit of the ranger she was before Arthas killed her.
Then Blizzard decided she was the next Garrosh, and killed her character deader than the Lich King did.
You really hit the nail right on the fuckin head, my dude.
Literally the alliance should’ve attacked lordaeron first and then she could’ve attacked teldrassil as a retaliation then she could’ve gotten the recognition she Deserves
christianziphone that’s literally all that needs to change for the war story to actually work and the horde not be the bad war criminals for once
rod james I’m alliance and I want us to be the aggressors it would’ve made the story way better all of bfa strangely felt like MoP all over again
Fuck, I know this is 9 months ago, but this is so fucking true. Sylvnas' character had obviously been developed for something like this since the beginning. The whole BFA/Shadowlands bullshit was never where her story was going. Re-watching these old vids, I feel so sorry for the squandered storytelling potential with her as warchief.
"I never trusted you . . . So let me make you leader of the Horde, because Blizzard devs whispered in my ear."
Mueh’zala: lol
seems like voljin actually knew the lore, noob
Voljin was a disappointment
@@richardshiflett5181 not only was he a disappointment he also got his ass handed to him by a couple of trash mobs, lol.
Sylvanas: Death claims us all. But the Horde will live on.
*a few weeks later*
Sylvanas: THE HORDE IS NOTHING!
**Jazz Music Stops**
Lol. Wait for 8. 3 you will understand
A few weeks? Lol. These events are almost 3 years apart in irl time, let alone lore wise. Fucking idiot.
She's a oneman army
@@sethxtekken We did and nothing changed. A greatly written character... Ya
Here goes the Blizz attitute for the horde. Even fucking SWTOR has more shades of grey in their factions than WOW now.
Dude when she just stands there, this shit brings on tears every time. Too bad the writers took her in the direction they did, there was such incredible potential. Hail Sylvanas.
The new writers lacked the understanding of the horde faction, many plot holes poorly written characters and scenes. They could have had voljin fight with varian below in the legion pit and die together and then the game turns into civil war between Jaina who wants the horde off the map and sylvans who wants immortality… but the writers are not fair nor balanced the scenes between the 2 factions
Look on the alliance Side of the whole plot. Why does Jana get evil in the moment garrosh falls and tells Varian to dismantle the horde? Look it up she helped Thrall and she understands the horde better than anyone else. Even better is the plot twist of arthas in Shadowland...
@@Pappaelron although I agree 100% that the plot has been very inconsistent (to say the least), Jaina had a reason for being bitter with the Horde "all of a sudden" despite her benevolent history with the Horde. And the reason is the siege of dalaran. Look it up if you don't remember why it happened.
@@PappaelronGarrosh nuked here city with an arcane bomb in cata. She hated the horde ever since. Don’t u remember
@@shoobror8291 but the thrall memory dont make sense them
That troll did the biggest trolling of Azeroth
Haha 😂
Best character in the damn series. Deserved better than what Blizzard's doing right now.
The alliance should’ve been the aggressors and she could’ve retaliated with teldrassil 😭😭
Totally agree with you I love sylvanas
I too love Sylvanas. It’s sad what’s become of her.
I agree. The direction that they took with Sylvannas was poor. I was hoping it would show that Sylvannas would make a great WarChief instead of as a traitor.
@@christianziphone A bit late here but the Alliance were the aggressors throughout this storyline. When Sylvanas sent Goblins to collect azerite, it was the Alliance that attacked first because they didn't want the Horde to have their hands on it. On paper, the Alliance pushed and prodded every step of the way (dating back to Genn Greymane's soldiers breaking a peace treaty early on in Legion). It just doesn't seem so from a cinematic perspective because the writing just simply isn't there, it's sloppy. The story would have been much better if Jaina succumbed to arcane corruption and bombed Orgrimmar in retaliation to the destruction of Theramore, which is what was supposed to happen. There were leaked audio files of her voice lines which display exactly that back then. Blizzard pussied out of a great story and instead diluted Jaina's character by turning her into a short-sighted individual. Look at when she pushes Varian to end the Horde when Vol'jin was crowned Warchief. That was honestly a pathetic, downgraded version of their original intent and it really damaged her as a character imo. Aside from some lackluster expansions content-wise, this really was the turning point for terribly story-telling by Blizzard. Jaina's corruption and influence in the Alliance would have completely set the path for Sylvanas being justified in every difficult decision she's made since. Instead, they watered down the Alliance's aggressiveness as much as possible to preserve the "good guy" mentality. Fast forward to current events, everything they've done with Sylvanas in cinematics is completely on point and in line with her character, but she's constantly misused throughout the actual gameplay. The Alliance is immune to corrupt/evil leadership while the Horde has been subjected to it for multiple expansions, so they can have another rebellion so the Horde players feel justified in the end as the Alliance players get fed super basic good-aligned heroes. This is why people laughed at Blizzard for saying Sylvanas is morally grey, even though she really is. They just don't see the bigger picture because their knowledge of lore is based off the cinematic experience and the handful of questlines they actually pay attention to, which are always biased for whichever faction you're playing.
1:28 the way she just stared at him, standing in the exact same place as he says his final words, as he dies, as they’re taking him away, and at the empty throne, I feel like it’s a rare moment where her character shows raw emotion. She’s speechless, unable to move, and her thoughts are likely very scattered. I love this cinematic.
Which makes the retcon of this being the Jailer' doing even worse. She wouldn't be shocked if she had such an ally in the afterlife
hundred bucks the next expansion sylvanas pulls a garrosh
Like...from the grave?
Soulrak87
what?
"pulls a Garrosh" "from the grave" => Undead Garrosh
NanoNaps
no, in no shape or form could I have meant "pulling a garrosh from the grave".
She won't, she has no vendetta against the alliance. She may use some odd tactics, but I have a feeling she'll be warchief until the end.
it seems the loa spirits have been drunk af
Or maybe they had a more... self-centered motive behind this.
Actually, it was just Bwondsamdi pulling a sneaky on the horde
@@danielschneider9358 Mueh'zala was behind this, not Bwonsamdi.
@@Rylatar oh. Good to know
No cap bro like looking back now I would’ve chosen Bloodhoof or Saurfang
Holy shit.. Blizzard kept these cutscenes from even us closed beta players. I legit just teared up when Vol'jin died. Now I have further motivation to take the Legion down!
I felt the same way when I heard they killed our king.
The legion will fall!
our king and more
Yea with a woman as your leader... The Horde has never been/looked weaker.
+Sun Tzu The undead are awesome, though.
you do realize sylvanis betrayed Vol Jin you dumb ass.
This is too much. it makes my soul scream
Yep. An undead elf now leads the horde consisting of Orcs, Tauren and Trolls, Ogre etc...yeah. Right. That's the first thing which comes into my mind: Undead elves, when I think about Horde. Fuck this story arc...hopefully we don't have to deal with this shit too much.
+Keydiam I see it as the only option. No one in the Horde left to lead it but her. She not the best but she is suitable. I know she a undead bitch but gonna accept she's the only one who can lead. Baine, Lothemar, Gallywix... They are not suited
Lothemar definitely can, but he wasn't chosen. I doubt he would have wanted to be the Warchief, unless he's forced to. I was hopping Vol'jin faked his death or something, but looks like he's truly dead. 3 brothers formed the Horde, only 1 left alive. Goel must feel like shit right now.
+MasterX25 Lother mar will reject the position immediately and Vol jin knows Lother mar will reject it due to the weight of being warchief. Thrall is already in deep shit, the doom hammer is not his but ours. hahahahaha
August The Magic King Blizzard simply fails to create new characters...and when they do, they kill them off after a few expansions (Nazgrim and Taylor). But, oh well. Now Sylvanas has one of the biggest meat shield in Azeroth and can go on with her plans of eternal unliving which she does in Stormheim, which obviously doesn't make any sense for warriors as the serve Odyn and would kill the Valk'yr which made a pact with Sylvanas.
I came back here cuz as voljin said "Many will not understand"
Rev perhaps it was just to troll us all
Rev i trust the lower spirit when they choose sylvanis soon we will understand
From what I know the void lords are afraid of her maybe thats why
The spirits granted him a vision, they picked HER. We will soon see why
Right, with everyone pissed off at Sylvanas for burning the tree, now those words sound really prophetical. Let's trust Vol was right.
For the Banshee Queen!
Imagine if you will, a reluctant new war chief. Who always fought for herself, now in charge of everyone else. Thrust into the limelight: only her cunning and ruthlessness being tools for carrying the Horde through the horrors of the Burning Legion. That was a great story arc for the character.
What a bloody shame all the writing that came after that, with BFA and Shadowlands effectively working together to sap all the good will, momentum, and interesting story beats out of that one moment they so perfectly cultivated.
It's like if Mona Lisa retroactively had shit smeared all over it.
If Varian was alive to see all that shit Sylvannas pulled after Legion, he would've probably acted on his promise after Pandaria.
Loa Spirits: "Voljin, that wound will claim you soon. We must discuss your successor as Warchief."
Voljin: "Sure. I reccommend Baine, Lorthemar or perhaps Saurfang. All highly respected, with lots of leader experience, and has proven their good faith, intelligence and diplomatic skills multible times over the years".
Loa spirits: "Nah, take the crazy, psyco-bitch".
Voljin: "kk"
And yet Sylvanis has more experience than all of them combined. She used to be Ranger General, when she was alive, and she was a long living high elf. Even more so, Sylvanis is the best strategist out of all the Horde Leaders. She wins.
@@logancloud2222 Lor'Themar is just as old as Sylvanas and probably just as experienced. You do realize they come from the same Kingdom, right?
Thallanar Rabidtooth Sylvanis advocated the elves into the horde and see her as an important figure, not to mention that she has lead the undead and became a Ranger General. True, Lothemar may be as old as Sylvanis, the difference is that Sylvanis actually cares for the horde while the elves are solely fixated on survival
@@logancloud2222 She doesn't care about the Horde, though... only the Forsaken. Back in Legion, she was about to subjugate Eyir and force her to create more Val'kyrs for the Forsaken, but luckily Greymane ambushed her and destroyed her plan. Not to mention what happened after killing Saurfang during the Mak'Gora in Battle for Azeroth; the phrase "the Horde is nothing" speaks for itself.
I admit you're right about the best strategist stuff. She's an amazing plotter, haha.
Jojo well now we know it was probably N’Zoth
I'm happy for Sylvanas, but it sucks that Vol'jin died without achieving anything major as Warchief. Unless he plays being dead very, very convincingly...
He played dead once before... He can do it again! The troll body in that burning pyre is a fake! It's all Loa magic and voodoo.
Why would he stick around in the world of the living when he can ascend and become a Loa spirit and unite the troll tribes under a single banner to help the Alliance & Horde from beyond the grave?
maybe he'll help you as a spirit? shaman do often talk to dead spirits....so i bet those lazy shamans hanging around the portal area cand talk to his ass
he be helpin ya from da spirit plane mon
Sylvanas is a bad guy tho why are you happy for her. She didn't care about vol Jin or the alliance. My god im sick of seeing all these blind players in here.
He'll probably come back as some crazy spirit thing or something.
0:52 aww poor baine wanted to be warchief :(
He and sylvans argued in the war crimes book to so i doubt he is happy about it.
All aboard the bain train, can you feel the bain?
more like, hell nawww I aint going to be beef jerkey just yet.
Baine is too young for Warchief, he is unexperienced and this is not a normal fight, this is a planetary invasion of demons I wouldn't put a noob for leading the Horde in times like these. Also, Sylvanas was ranger general of Quelthalas armies when she was alive. She's the best fitting role for warchief right now. The horde needs a military strategist who can hurt the Legion's lines.
While you have good aurgement Agustin, wouldn't Lor'themar be as good leader? He have been leader, probably just as long as Sylvanas? Wouldn't he be a better and more popular choice than her? I thinking in the game, cause blood elves seems better seen than forsaken in general. : o
FIRST HARAMBE NOW VOLJIN!? WHAT IS THIS WORLD COMING TO
Dicks out for Vol'jin!
Tusks* out for Vol'jin
Voljin was just a troll
This made me LOL super hard at my desk at work, well done Cameron Sharp.
Maybe that is why he made Sylvanas warchief, to troll the horde...
Did people forget that Vol'jin lead the rebellion against Garrosh, noone else wanted to, they were too afraid of leading and the consequences, only Vol'jin stood up to him and almost got killed because of it, didn't stop him from continuing, how do you think he became Warchief? I don't know much about the lore but he didn't just sit on his arse for the entirety of this life. Also to those saying he did nothing, what about the other leaders, they did nothing during this entire expansion, why single him out?
Vol'Jin told Garrosh to his face "you be no Warchief of mine." And also, "Ya will spend ya reign glancin' over ya shoulder and fearin' the shadows, for when da time comes and ya blood slowly drains out, ya will know exactly who fired da arrow dat pierced ya heart." BAMF for speaking up to a jacked orc like Garrosh.
He did nothing throughout WoD, which is both fair and sadly true. What's pissed people off the most is that Vol'jin didn't do anything during his reign as Warchief because the writers never did anything with him. And now he's gone. It's a poor way to treat a really great character and he really got the short end of the stick. Some final waves from what a clusterf*ck WoD was in terms of story delivery. Varian was at least lucky in that he had more story development and character growth in various places. Would have been nice to have seen what Vol'jin would do as Warchief.
you saying like a nigga you are)))
Actually in books Baine was the one who openly tried to stand up against Garrosh, and Vol'jin was afraid for his people, sadly no1 ralied behind Baine....Vol'jin only late in MoP went against Garrosh. It's sad that a lot of Lore is behind books and lots of good characters stories are not known by most. I am not bashing Vol'jin cause he is one of my favorite chars.
Incinder1995 they only turned against garrosh when he kicked out all races with exception of the orcs and goblin out of the horde
the voice of sylvanas when she says "in the end death claims us all" ...makes me play wow again
Yup back from the Saurfang vs Sylvanas cinematic, trolls sure know how to troll.
Sourfang wanted to go against her from the start. he was the most demoralizing horde member.
Yes, Sylvanas did bad things, horrible even, but when I have seen trailer for defending the undercity
and she said "For the horde" and he ran all enthusiastic and when he had his little chat with that troll kid
and decided that he will fight....then the real game starts and he refuses to fight as soon as the game starts,
becomes depressing and surrenders himself. Later as he explains to Anduin " What Sylvanas really is" its more like
he is projecting. Sure, she was horrible but she is in no way another Guldan. No matter how bad she is, her ideals are
different from Guldans, he sounded like he wanted an excuse. She didnt want to even fight him, he insisted on it.
Sylvanas did many bad and inexcusable things but her reasoning was different. If you want to face an opponnent,
understand them first. She craved no power, she just wanted to fill up the maw for some reason. Also I think that a servant
of light should go with the Naru, not be brainwashed to serve the fake angels or anywhere a soulless construct deems they
should be. Afterlife wasnt supposed to be this way, they highjacked it and started playing gods.
:tf: mad?
Poor bastard, leads us through the shittiest expansion yet and then dies to a fel infused blade struck by some shitty cannon fodder. What a joke.
That moment when you haven't seen, played or even heard of any of the things that Legion but you still make a outlandish opinion
Story wise Vol'jin is a boring character, my guess is blizzard wanted him out to make room for a more interesting and lore friendly Sylvanas. In either case it should make the story a good follow, even if the rest of the expansion sucks. /crossing fingers
I think you're mixing up what I said, Vol'jin took us through WoD, the shittiest expansion to ever grace WoW, I don't even know how you could mix up what I said considering Vol'jin is now dead and can't lead us through Legion. The extent of his leadership was incredibly lackluster, he wasn't built up in any meaningful way, and he didn't accomplish ANYTHING. I wasn't spouting any negative opinion about Legion, as I haven't played it yet. Learn to read.
Norlamin I just misread your comment. My bad. Though I wouldn't call WoD shit. It did have some really amazing raids and the questing and lore was really good.
+Tristan Dalon WoD was phoned in, shittily paced garbage story wise, on top of being a black hole of lore where basically NOTHING happened.
For those wondering why VJ wasnt healed, if you paid attention after broken shores horde side (for those doing demonhunter I recommend you do horde broken shores too) then you learn that he was struck by a fel-blade which poisoned him.
Not only this, but VJ himself "refused" to be healed when Baine offered, this is because VJ never 'wanted' to lead. The role was forced on him, it was a role he was never suited to, like Garrosh. VJ was a warrior, not a leader, at best, he knew how to rally a rebellion and lead armies, but manage the Horde as a people? That was not VJ's strength.
VJ understands that, and Sylvanas, Sylvanas may not be the best leader, infact thats the entire point, shes the WORST since Garrosh. But Sylvanas has a chance for redemption here, a chance to show she is not the villian like Garrosh was.
She's sort of like Rick Grimes in Walking Dead, she can do what no one else can, make the hard choices, lead the people, decide who gets what and divide rations and ammo amoung the survivors.
The Horde is a race of survivors, and though she is undead, her people cannot reproduce and thus, to survive, they must kill, and reincarnate others into their ranks.
She knows the Horde better than the Horde knows itself. But now, she has to lead it.
That, will be the making of her, and as VJ said, you have to step out of the shadow and lead. She too hates the idea of being responsible for everyone, but she has a better understanding of what everyone "wants" and was the one to diplomatically bring the Blood Elves into the Horde so she is not incapable of being tactful at Diplomacy.
Shes a manipulative, cruel, ruthless, heartless woman that has done some terrible, aweful and unforgiveable things.
And yet...
That is exactly what the Horde "needs" to survive.
Hence... why VJ chose "her" and no one else.
*claps* you just put my thoughts into words. I dunno VJ seemed more like a guidance character to me which fit the scene.
Congratulations, for a great comment. That's exactly how I think as well.
I agree with everything you said, but I'd like to point out that the Loa choose Sylvanas, not Vol'Jin, even tho he seemed to understand why they choose her.
Thank you! Thank you! I love this comment!
Amen.
Where was Thrall? No, seriously, where the fuck was Thrall?! One of his closest friends is on their death bed and Thrall is not around? Really? WTF?
Guessing he was injured. He looked pretty messed up in the other cinematic.
duh...he was busy communing with the elements ofc.
I think he's in trouble during that scene (and probably we'll see how we got Doomhammer for the shamans...)
in wow timeline he has almost just lost one of his closest friends, cairne. thrall afterall is actually not that much of a mary sue as people say, he has done alot of mistakes. i just dont think he can handle the death of vol'jin
During the Scenario, Thrall is wounded and on the ground. Sylvanas uses one of our Eagles (err Valkyr) to pick him up and retreat to the ridgeline.
That's top quality cinematic, Blizzard. Hands down fucking awesome. This cinematic alone made me not regret pre-ordering Legion.
You don't need to pre-order Legion to be able to play the broken shore cinematic :)
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Vol'jin: "Bwonsamdi! Grant me a vision!" Thats how sylvanas got warchief title
now its speculated that it isn't Bwonsamdi but Mueh'zala.
Bwonsamdi doesn't like undead.
I LOVE this cinematic SO MUCH. It's full of emotions and... just... directed so PERFECTLY. My favourite WoW's cinematic, really.
For the Horde!
Listening to the chanting of "For the Horde!" at the end, I kind of regret playing only Alliance characters. It's so goosebump-inducing and epic. It really shows their loyalty and honor to their faction. Lok'tar ogar, Vol'jin. Darkspear never die.
Amazing detail. Look closely to Vol'Jin's left eye. As he makes his last breath and whispers "War...Chief"...the colour literally leaves his eye, further underlying that he died in that moment. That's some amazing detail and makes this all the more tragic to me personally because the thing about death that makes it horrifying is the eyes because through them you can truly see the life leave somebody.
"Many will not understand"
Vnother Good one
I understand it now:
The Writers Suck
ah, when Sylvanas's character was treated with respect before they wrote her off as evil in BfA.
She's basically Daenerys of WoW. "Don't like me? Burn them all!"
Jordan Eilbert so true........but this is still one the best Sylvanas moments ever....well this, and the comic with her 2 sisters.
G_Man agreed.
She did nothing wrong
I belive she did this all for a purpose. You will see.
Oh blizz take green jesus and give us Vol'jin back
Yes please. Such a waste of great potential as a character. A fucking shadow hunter doing nothing. Known for being one of the most powerful at that. Just....... zzzz.
He is not that powerful at all. Took him a while to bring back a tiny island from a rebellious troll. Not to mention he had additional troubles fighting of a barely powerful naga afterwards. He is all talk and no walk, remember how he threatened Garrosh how he will "end him from the shadows with his spear" or something? Well never happened. I have difficulties seeing it happen as well, Garrosh would crack his spine in 3 seconds probably. And I remember SoO quest line, how he threatened Alliance players with his "shadow hunters". Where are these infamous shadow hunters on the broken shore? Guy is not a capable fighter, nor he is powerful for that matter. He's overrated.
Clearly haven't looked in to all the additional lore involving Vol'jin.
That's Blizzard screwing up. Shadow Hunters are meant in lore to be very powerful beings. Which is also the reason why many are pissed about Vol'jins death, you never actually got to see his super powerful voodoo magic at work.
Listened to Vol'jin: Shadows of the Horde, where he comes back from the brink of death from being poisoned and is a badass. The Loa spirits basically let him live multiple times. Sadly the ignore him in Draenor then do this.
damn finally a good quality for this cutscene i was so pissed all those years.
They couldn't wait 30 seconds for him to respawn?
I cried so much when i saw this cinematic. As someone who has followed the world of warcraft lore since i was 9 years old, the stories of voljin and what he represented were always of great value to me. Taking away such a character 10 years later, hurts like hell. Rest in peace voljin, your sacrifice will not be forgotten
Blizzard has stated that Vol'jin'sstory may not yet be over. He has Bwonsamdi, so perhaps we'll see something of him yet.
As yes, back before they decided to just **throw** all of Sylvanas' character development away, back when she was treated with at least some of respect to her story
Sylvanas cinematic for BfA is released. Looks back to this cinematic. Blizz has somethin' cookin'...
No matter how many times I watch this, I always get chills from my brothers and sisters chanting "FOR THE HORDE!"
And it was in this cutscene that I Finally realized it. Something about her that had been staring me in the face the whole time. Something I never realized.
Something that explained everything.
Sylvanas is totally a blondie.
I actually never noticed that. Holy shit thank you.
What
You could have just looked at what she looked like while she was a high elf lol
What does that explain?
@@Noface121 her hair color
“Many will not understand.”.
*8.0*
“For the Horde!!”
*8.2.3*
“The Horde is nothing. YOU ARE ALL NOTHING!!”
“If you could see yourselves as I see you. Toy soldiers in tin plate. Beasts who howl for honor. Standing as one. Savor it. Nothing lasts.”
Yeah Vol’jin you didn’t understand either.
8.2.5*
Well... Sylvanas did unite the factions... against her.
I honestly still think this is a really great moment for Sylvanas. It was super emotional and had a lot of promise for the future!!
Then BfA happened....
They did our girl dirty.
I am still pissed as hell about this. I mean Vol'jins reign as Warchief was filled with nothing. He showed up at the Level 3 Garrison and thats it. It was disrespectful to him and all his potential with the possible Troll Empire expansion and how he would interact with them. Instead he gets stabbed by a random demon and dies from poison, leaving Sylvanas-I-am-totally-the-new-Lich-Queen Windrunner as Warchief ? Lets even drop that see how both leaders die. Compare this death to Varian's where he went off like Highlander, getting stabbed twice by demons and getting blown up by Gul'dan... All the while the glorious Horde is sinking back like this...
Vol'jin's reign is such a waste of story that it is painful to see this is how it ends. Also, who is the Troll Leader now ? We are already in limbo with Orc Leader and now Vol'jin , the most prominent and maybe the most commonly known Troll is gone too so who is leading them ? At least Cairne had Baine as his successor but now both Orcs and Trolls are leaderless. And don't expect me to accept Sylvanas as the general leader, her dealings will cause even more trouble. I mean she is making a deal with HELYA for god's sake. How is that something a Warchief would do ?
well said
This shit is fucked, i honestly feel like Blizzard is trying to end the Warcraft universe right here and now in this expansion, by killing off all the awesome leaders and letting the Burning Legion destroy Azeroth.
+DoomNeb 2 faction leaders + Tirion = all the awesome leaders right?
but how it happened is way more realistic
Ya horde got screwed again lol
and with this cinematic, thus was born one of the best expansions they've ever come up with. i miss legion
Honestly well made cinematic. Small detail I love if Lorthemar of all people, a guy who spent hundreds of years warring with the trolls as a high elf, serves as a pallbearer. That and plenty of foresaken and elves mourning Vol'jin and joining in on the chants at the end really do show how an alignment initially out of convenience evolved into genuine comradery for many.
Where the fuck is Thrall? We haven't heard of him since he killed Garrosh.
watch the broken shore cinematic
Felt good to see him bitch slapped like that.
He is in the shaman's artifact quest chain.
Thrall lost his powers because the elemental spirits are mad at him for using them to kill Garrosh. He retires after he helps you claim the Doomhammer for yourself.
Seemed injured at the broken shore, I'm fairly certain Baine was halfcarrying him away from the battle.
NOOOOOOOOO!!! VOL'JIN! HE WAS THE FUCKIN BEEEEEST
And how we got from this emotive cutscene to how she is in bfa (and how jaina is suddenly a heroine everyone must love or else) is a testament to blizzard's poor writing
Emotive? Did you forget what lead to this? This cutscene was bullshit since its release, for a variety of reasons.
I am a true Alliance member since 2009, but Vol’Jin is defenitly one of my favorite charachters in wow. People bitching about him probaly never did read any of the books of warcraft there is so much lore about him....
" Who Among you will help me avenge him " Now that's leadership for you
Holy fuck this is amazing.
IF ONLY VOL'JIN HAD DONE SOMETHING AS THE WARCHIEF!
So here we are...
"The Horde is nothing!" she said
Sylvanas is a Dreadlord *runs*
Screw you for the horde
Y'all Sylvanas has a bigger role and Vol'jin knew it. I'm so hyped for shadowlands
anyone else start to tear up abit when he passed away i dont care what anyone says Vol'jin was the best warchief besides thrall im sad that he had such a short reign
This is the most historical and epic Cinematic of all !!! The Voices gives me goosebump !
Not a horde player myself but sylvanas as warcheif is amazing.
Yeah, clearly you are not one.
@@Zerradable I'm a horde player and Sylvanas becoming warchief was huge. The writers took her in a really weird direction, but at the time there was such incredible potential for the story. Hail Sylvanas.
First Cairne... now Vol'jin... Please, don't kill Rexxar...
It is worse...he will be a follower in class hall for hunter.
The great Rexxa a foll.... sigh... Blizz sometimes wastes chars
+franggio666 Ikr?Rexxar,champion of the horde as a follower.
The voice of the sylvanas windrunner was very nice, officially charmed me.
And now we know who whispered to Vol'jin!
I truly believe the day both varrian and vol'jin died was when hope died and when both factions have forgotten what made them strong.
So this is how The Horde dies... with thunderous applause...
There aren't many cinematics that actually make me feel sad or hyped. I remember Lich King Patch 3.2 ("Let them come, frostmourne hungers") or the alliance shadowmoon valley cinematic (yeah, the horde one wasn't as awesome)
But with this one, they reached a new high in terms of quality, motion capturing, synchronisation, music ... everything MATCHED ... glorious goosebumps. To bad the alliance side didn't see it. Actually the alliance side is quite left out in this case. Or they get their stuff later.
Not to mention ... I waited since the time I started playing for sylvanas to be warchief. First time I meet her in undercity with my bloodelf hunter. :D
Looking at this again, it really made no sense to turn her into a bad guy.
Sylvanas is the one we all have been waiting for.
Rest in peace Vol'jin and hail our Lady Sylvanas.
I'll follow her every command and will avenge Vol'jin under her banner.
Baine is that type of employee that does his job better than anyone else and he's the best person to count on. He's been with the company for over a decade now. Baine doesn't get a raise.
I completely agree. Sylvanas as warchief? I am a die hard horde player byt sylvanas did some fucked up shit to the alliance, so why does voljin give warchief title to sylvanas when the alliance and horde are not happy with one another. Baine has always been good at peace relations just like his father, but sylvanas? No
He said that "many would not understand" looks like that's you Bil Mason.
I'm 100% pro Alliance and don't have a single Horde character, but this still got me about as choked up as when Varian died. Right as he finished saying "You must....be...Warchieffff", bring in the piano with the "Ooooo'ing" choir in the background....I couldn't take it. That was quite sad :(.
"Voljin is dead.. whom among you will help me avenge him.... then immediately run away when things start to look bad."
Let me explain to your small brain something.If they stood there,the legion would have killed them,the horde!Better they run and live another day to destroy the legion than to die and let the horde and its history perish
If every leader of the Horde save for Lothremar and fucking Gallywix had died that would have been a bad thing.
I agree, without leaders the Horde might have pussied out and fled the battlefie... oh right. The Horde losing its leaders wouldn't change shit because they are pretty pathetic anyway.
1:22 And just like that, I fall in love with her all over again.
Yeah... She probably gets killed upcoming xpack so enjoy her while she lasts, the Alliance is coming for her!
The whispering at 1:03 is a nice touch.
Welp, she herself did nothing to avenge Vol'jin. Lol, all she did during Legion was trying to take control over a Val'kry queen so she can prolong her pathetic existence.
She could have been the Best and powerfull warchief in the horde history.... But Blizzard...
From this to "THE HORDE IS NOTHING! YOU ARE ALL NOTHING!!"...
That was the day Sylvanas Windrunner finally snapped.
Sylvanas "Who will run away like VolJin with me?"
Let me explain you something.If they didn't retreat they would have died...with the whole horde.If they stood there,everything characters like Go'el,Cairne or others would have perished.Better they retreat and fight another day to destroy the legion,than to stay there like idiots
+Verginica Palade Gheorghieva If the horde died the alliance would've been crushed you are nothing without us as we are nothing without you.
You're right! They should have killed the main villain in the pre patch to a new expansion. Blizzard please hire this genius
So what if the Horde leaders had died? People squish bugs under their shoes all the time, it's not like anyone would care.
Damn it Voljinn, you left the Horde with a maniac.
Such promise with this cinematic for an epic future only for the story to go sour after Legion
For the new Warchief!
For Sylvanas Windrunner!
FOR THE HORDE!
One can lose battle but win war :)
Isn't Jaina still a psychotic bitch?
I believe she comes to right before Warlords of Draenor according to the War Crimes novel.
For the Forsaken !!
For Sylvanas !!!
From russian Horde!
"Who among you...will help me avenge him?"
Orc: me me! *kills random felguard* I got him!
Undead: No i got him! "brings random felguards head to her*
Tauren: Guys, I got him, Vol'jin Avenged *Shows Felguards head...looks at others* Huh..he did go out like a punk huh..
Troll: Didn't he kill da Felguard who killed him mon? *everyone looks at each other* "um what are we doing again?"
Sylvanas: *Sighs* "Guess we can just start a war with the Alliance."
Many will not understand....aaaaaand I still don’t
Can we get back to the fact that Voljin said: "I have never trusted you" - so much for unified Horde
An elf mourning a troll's death, Horde does bring people together.
Officially, he's dead, but there are plenty of reasons to think he's not.
-He chats with us and plots what is to be done after his death with all the other Horde leaders as he's "dying"
-We don't see him die, we don't see a body. A pile of armor in a shroud is burnt and we are told that's him.
-He's done literally nothing since being made Warcheif.
-His book "Shadows of the Horde" was all about him getting super regeneration.
-The troll god of death is a fan of his and keeps him alive.
He's "dead". Of course, death in Warcraft follows these rules:
First Rule of Warcraft Deaths: If we don't see the body, he is not really dead.
Second Rule of Warcraft Deaths: If we do see the body, it is merely a setback.
Third Rule of Warcraft Deaths: If it is not merely a setback, there is always undeath.
Fourth Rule of Warcraft Deaths: Retcons are always possible.
I also want to point out that during the "Love is in the Air" holiday, after he "died", the card we got from turning in the bracelet in Org was signed by Vol'jin.
why would his vision lie to him tho? the loa want him dead, maybe like some zandalari he's gonna become loa
I cried so hard watching this. FOR THE HORDE!!! LOK'TAR OGAR!!!!!! MY LIFE FOR THE HORDE!!!!
lol wimp
I cried as well. For me as a horde retired player, the alliance got the best death scene. But horde had the best emotional scene. I played a troll hunter in vanilla and a forsaken priest in TBC. Watching these two having this conversation hit me very hard.
Lok'tar ogar! Victory or... oh shit run away like cowards!
+Decimalar One good response deserves another. We went there to fight not to suicide. Next time you guys decide to do a suicide ceremony, remember to tell us ok ?
For the Alliance
I found the music so chilling...
Reminded me of Starcraft
I've seen this video so many times... but I still cry like a baby every time....
WoW is like a storybook now. I'm loving it!
Man, and sylvanas warchief seemed like such a great idea too, i mean, the forsaken are always doing their own thing so having the forsaken leader be the warchief wouldve increased the bond between them and the rest of the horde, and you know how the saying goes "monke together strong"
This really made me giddy for Sylvannas's leadership. Was hoping she wouldn't be the next Garrosh. Alas Blizzard happened
Baine doesn't look happy that Vol'jin choose Sylvanas...
ORRRRR... da spirits be tellin' Vol'jin da name of da person... TO NEVER BE WARCHIEF!
If only this could have led to a future of hope and honor...
As much as Sylvanas has done a *lot* of questionable things, Vol'jin was right to point to her as the Warchief. The Horde needs someone who will stay focused on the Legion, and there is nothing Sylvanas does better than singleminded revenge.
And here we are, only caring for her own agenda.
i remember a time when people were saying that undeads being part of the horde was a lore abomination.
if only they knew it'd only get worse from there
Yea, it's got way worse. lol
What I don't understand is this:
Go'el -> Orgrimmar.
Garrosh -> Orgrimmar.
Vol'jin... -> Orgrimmar. Trols have their city now, but still.
Sylvannas... ?
Is Undercity the new Horde main city or will she move to Orgrimmar, leaving Undercity without ruler?
Will we ever see an Undercity and Silvermoon rework, now that Sylvannas is warchief?
'', leaving Undercity without ruler?'' Nathanos.
Saurfang will be in Orgrimmar and Sylvanas stays in Undercity
Sylvanas stays in Undercity. Saurfang is the leader of Orcs/Orgrimmar. Rokhan is the leader of the Darkspear.
No the ruler of Orgrimmar is Saurfang
So, is Undercity the new Horde main city? xD
I mean, what's a main city without its main general?
I, for one, would like to see a change of scenery.
It's been 7 years and oh god the music
Voljin :Now that I'm dying, fuck the horde. Sylvanas come here!
This to me is the start of the current age of blizzard writing. It's not that this scene was bad, or that it started them down a bad road, it's that it made a lot of narrative promises and never followed through on them. It really feels like the Blizzard writing team has been flying by the seat of their pants since legion: they think of cool set-pieces or shocking plot-twists, and then torture the narrative so it can include all of those moments.
They burn teldrassil because it's shocking, but they come up with the idea of the shocking plot twist before they've given any thought to why it would burn or what character motivation could possible justify that. I would've been okay if they made Sylvanas the ruthlessly efficient leader who will do whatever it takes to advance the interests of the horde no matter how dishonorable it is or how many horde members have to die in the short term. Instead though they just make her pointlessly cruel. She commits night elf genocide even though it doesn't benefit her in the slightest, in fact in the Warbringers short they make it look like she did it to spite one single night elf who got under her skin. Her character has essentially been sacrificed on the altar of making more provocative trailers, and I hate that so much I can't even put it into words.
Then, in one of the worst examples of this, they make her break a massive hole in the sky and then come up with a bunch of lore-shattering retcon bullshit to justify how she did that. At this point I don't even think it's just shit writers, I think higher-ups are leaning into areas beyond their expertise because they want provocative trailers to sell subscriptions in the short-term.
only thing missing is a Hillary logo from Sylvanas's hoodie
this comment mad laugh harder then it should have but to be honest I doubt sylannas seems like the support hillary type.
hahahaha!
I'd rather have Sylvanas than Hillary be president of the US
Notice how Far-Right Fascists fear any strong woman leader, real or fictional.
+Ultimaton100
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Vol'jin: "The lower spirits, will claim me soon". Dies 1 minute later.
loa spirits*
Loa.....sigh
Also he didn't die 1 minute later, it was clearly meant to show Sylvanas standing there for some length of time, likely hours.
"I have never trusted you" yeah voljin me too... me too old buddy...
7 years later and I'm still tearing up every damn time I see this. I'm glad Vol'jin's story is still going forward, but his death was still so undeserved. Hurts even more that next to Grom Hellscream, he, Sylvanas, and Cairne were my most favored characters. I can't enjoy Sylvanas anymore after all the terrible writing they gave her and the rest is dead.