It's time for a clearer conversation about LeBron vs. Michael Jordan | What's Wright?
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- Опубликовано: 4 мар 2024
- Nick Wright reacts to LeBron James reaching the 40,000-point milestone and demands a new, clearer conversation about the King-Michael Jordan debate. He also breaks down whether LeBron has officially surpassed Jordan and put the debate to bed.
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Is LeBron the undisputed GOAT after reaching the 40k-point milestone?
He was before
No, Simple Z
No one ever mentions how much games lebron has played. That's why these total stats shouldn't be considered in goat debates. It never made kareem the goat, which he still has a better resume, so it doesn't make lebron the goat.
5000 turnovers
@@LeSteelerbased on what?
There is arguing in bad faith and then there’s Chris Broussard
Bro would not let Nick speak at all 😂
This is the one. Nick be killing him.
Only 4 players have done this. MVP, scoring title, all nba first team, all defensive first team, ring, finals MVP in the same season. They are Michael Jordan, Michael Jordan, Michael Jordan & Michael Jordan 💯
The media loved Jordan and the voters he should have same number of mvps as Lebron and no dpoy
@@jameskent836 Bron's 2012 MVP should be cancelled while Jordan's 1997 MVP was robbed
Bill, Russell has 11 NBA championship rings. No one says he’s the greatest.
When Bill played NBA was at its infancy. There were only a "Total" of 9 teams when Celtics won their 8 straight in 1969 and only 8 when he won the first of the 8.
Next.
Not 6 finsls mvps
Bc he never was. He had the best team at the time, sure. But Wilt was clearly better individually.
When Jordan won his championships there were 6 new expansion teams.
Next?
because the majority are ignorant
How dare you count years as they actually happened on the calendar!!! 😡😡😡
One of Jordan 3 peats is better than lebron whole peak 😅
exactly
disagree. Either way lebron is a better player. Jordan is better a 1v1 though. @@ivan2894
Imagine if Lebron quit the league?!?!? THey got mad when he left a team, not the league. It takes mental strength to continue straight. If you rest for a year, you will feel refreshed to get back to it.
People will actually rejoice when LeBalco "quits" the league i.e. retires lol. You weirdos are so desperate for talking points that you call retirement "quitting" 😂. I've seen LeBron James walk off the floor and quit before the game was even over. Jordan retired i.e. left the game after he won 2 separate 3 peats. Get over it.
Dude went to go play a different sport 🤦🏽♂️..When was he resting?
Jordan was mentally weak.
How do you wait until Magic, Isiah, Bird, Dr J, and Moses Malone were past their primes before he could even sniff a finals.
He couldn't even get past Marques Johnson in the first round.
@@CreativeBigLYour father was mentally weak for going to get milk and never coming back 😂.
@@codyrivera744played a different sport?? 💀💀💀💀💀💀
Nick waiting to collect his Klutch sport paycheck…
Y’all waiting for Jordan to even address you as a human 💀
Nick does want to lose his invite to the Clutch xmas party...
he's a fool
When you can identify the NBA finals where Jordan's scoring average dipped by 33%, where he averaged only 17 ppg and had a game where he only scored 8 points, then we can have a "clearer conversation." If you can identify the season where he played with a 2nd team all-NBA teammate and another who was an all-star, but lost in the finals where his team was heavily favored, then we can have a "clearer conversation." If Nick Wright could start each conversations acknowledging that he's a client of Klutch Sports, then we can have a "clearer conversation."
FACTS!!!
so... 2011 is your winning argument? okay have it, but be honest and tell me this. If Bron won in 2011 you'd accept him as the goat? if not then even you know its a fallacious argument.
Bingo!
Nick refuses to mention the 2011 Finals and 2010 ECF. 2011 was easily one of the biggest meltdown of any superstar across all of sports history. Locked up by JJ Barrea, Jason Terry, and Deshaun Stevenson, sad.
@@parikshitrao4208LeBron’s first 6 finals, 2-4. 25 ppg 44% from the field 32% from 3. Does that scream dominance to you?
@@na_kAbsolutely!!
peak is like a 4-5 year stretch where you were playing at your highest level. it's usually in the middle of your prime. Jordan's peak was probably '88-'93.
Yes, but that's exactly his point... In that case you'll have to count his early playoff exits, which for some reason no one wants to count when discussing the GOAT argument against Jordan. They also don't want to talk about the competition they faced.
@@elisamuelpedraza8228those years he lost to all time great teams. Same excuse that guys like nick wrong give lebron
@@kingnovi9404 how old are you?
Lebron didnt even make the playoffs in his first few seasons. Discrediting Jordan for having an early playoff exit while ignoring the fact that lebron didnt even make the playoffs is an inarguably weak argument. @@elisamuelpedraza8228
@@elisamuelpedraza8228 30
Good arguments.
I wonder how different the arguments would be if LeBron had come first and Jordan was fighting through LeBron's legacy?
Except that's not the case. To be honest there will be others coming for Jordan, maybe not in this lifetime but they will always have to go through Bron to touch Jordan. Love Bron but Jordan passed the eye test with flying colors
@moodurr13 that same eye test said kd was better then steph.
@@moodurr13y’all are brainwashed bro.
@@moodurr13bc you watched too many Jordan Nike commercials. Jordan had the 2nd best team (help) in history, beating a watered down league with 4 expansion teams, and had an illegal rule allowing him to make a salary that wasn’t allowed to other teams.
keep wondering bron fans...
I typically measure a 10 consecutive year stretch. Pick any 10 years you want. I don’t think being almost as successful for twice as long makes someone “greater”.
But my criteria during that stretch are:
Per game stats
Individual accolades
Team success
Gap between that player and the rest of the league
Social/global influence
The last part is added because “greatness” isn’t purely an argument about “better” or more “talent”. Or Ali probably wouldn’t be the GOAT. When you talk about the greatest musicians, cars, inventions, etc., it’s not just “they sold the most so it’s the greatest”. Impact matters. What it led to after matters. So we can’t ignore it for sports.
I love the Jerry rice, Randy moss comparison. Some ppl just don’t get it. Jordan had the goat coach on the side line too. Lebron has been the contender for best player in the league since day one.
Everything changed for the bulls when Phil Jackson came in with the triangle offense.
Not a good comparison because Jerry has rings and Moss doesn’t
Phil Jackson was no goat coach when he first got there. Winning 3 rings made him the goat coach. He was an assistant coach with zero experience before that.
What people fail to mention is that lebron had a great coach in Miami, with a great front office and with a great supporting cast. He tried getting spolestra fired and he still ended up leaving.
@@nukenubz5087poor Spoelstra. Everyone keeps saying LeBron never had a great HOF coach while almost every list currently says Eric Spoelstra a top 3 coach in the league. Many even have him as the best. Was even able to get 2 considerably less talented heat teams to the finals. And if we follow a lot of LBJ fan logic the fact that he lost those two finals shouldn't matter. He participated in them. Dude could have had 3 rings like Phil pre-Jordan first retirement but he was the unlucky coach on the receiving end of LeBrons legendary choke job against Dallas is 2011. I have no doubt that LeBron with Spoelstra would have been one of the all-time combos but LeBron bounced, again, despite his 7 ring promise. Fact is LeBron would never play for a coach like Phil because great coaches install their systems. All the people who like to talk about how selfish Jordan was forget his sacrificed his overall numbers to fit into Phil's system.
If the debate were over (which it is) what would you beat us over the head with then
Nick you been tellin everybody this for years and they are finally starting to listen
During Bulls 2 threepeats, Bulls won 25 of 26 playoff series and never lost 3 games straight. Jordan balled out in 95 "choke" vs Shaq & Penny, Lebron cowered vs Dirk and role players in 2011.
so do you think LeBron is a bum who hasnt accomplished anything?
You're praising Jordan for balling in an ecf loss, but discredit lebron for balling in multiple finals losses smh You can't win with Jordan stans.
@@DannyDoGood facts...200%
@@DannyDoGood31 PPG Jordan lost in 95 ESF to superior team. 18 PPG LeBron lost in 11 Finals as huge favorite to old, inferior team. Jordan never did THAT, GOAT disqualifier.
@ImportAl You do remember when Bron single handedly beat the Warriors twice without Kyrie and Love? Or when he dropped 51 on KD, Steph, Klay, and Draymond...
Bron has a greater Goat argument than Jordan. It is what it is
I loved this Nick. You summed up my frustrations perfectly. The logic breaks all the way down
This isn't logical, it's completely arbitrary. Why did he pick the years he picked and not 25-35?
Yeah, because you’re another frustrated LeBron fanboy who doesn’t like to hear the truth.
lolz this beats other stand up comedy channels. had a good laugh. thanks nick.
Straight Comedy!!
Cope harder nick. Jordan averaged 30-10-10 as a POINT GUARD during the 88-89 season. 🐐🐐💪
@PolandSOulxJordan in 96 carried his team to 72 wins, Won the title, Won the MVP, Won the scoring title and was 1st team ALL defense, LeBron could never.
Just to clear this up the Wizarda organization were the ones who commemorated the moment with a trophy when Jordan reached 30k. It wasn't the NBA...
Isn’t that part of the problem tho. Forget the debate on who’s the goat, back when Jordan was getting old the league treated him like a god, jersey retirements for teams he didn’t play for, stopping games for becoming what the 5th leading scorer at the time compared to it seems to be a trend or cool to be as actively disrespectful to lebron as possible from coaches to young players(older players I feel are respectful they’ve seen it for long enough)
The treatment they get are not even close to being comparable and the only logical way I can make it make sense it that those people are stressed about the fact they idolised 1 as Jesus himself just to see someone else do it what appears to be so effortlessly most of the time meaning that man they put on a pedestal is nothing but a man with a great marketing team.
@@AlwaysEwokyes it is. They love to say “no participation trophies for LeBron losing” yet Jordan has jersey retirements for teams he never played for, commemorative game stoppage for 30k not 40k… Jordan has his rightful statue in Chicago where Bron will have 2 at Worst in Cleveland & Miami. This is getting ridiculous, LeBron doesn’t need 6 rings, if he reaches 5 Rings 5 Finals MVPs it’s over.
Jordan 89-83 obliterates lebrons 5 year stretch. It's really not close.
@@shamelessjt1758 12-16 Lebron is literally better at every aspect of basketball except being down 6% in FT’s😂
both won 3 rings but Lebron made 2 more finals, beat a 3x hall of famer team including KD, a 4x hall of famer team including a top 10 all time in Duncan then comes back 3-1 against a 73-9 team including another top 10 all time in curry……ngl bro you were right it’s not close just not the way you wanted it
Buncha dickriders, why did heat retire Jordan 😂 also
you can't compare peaks. 1 player choked with the most help they've ever had, the other beat the last 2 championship players en route to his first
Here's my biggest thing. I'm going to invent a player here: guy with 2 titles
, 2 Finals MVP, league MVP, a DPOY and 9 scoring titles. Do you think that player is one of the best players of all-time? Definitely a Hall of Famer if you had that resume. That's the difference betweenpp LeBron and Michael Jordan. It's like "oh it's close", it's not. It's a full Hall of Fame career better...
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What if you have a player who beat a 73-9 team and won finals mvp on 3 different teams and is number 1 scorer of all time in points then you would say that player is the greatest
@@jameskent836 a player that's gone a decade without winning an MVP? A player with two of the worse finals performances in the history of the league. A player that's under .500 in the finals? A player that has the most turnovers in the history of the game? That's what I call a choker.
@@sparkyfister those are blemishes but not the overall picture
@@sparkyfister Lebron literally made a 73-9 team stacked the odds against him because he was that good. That’s why he is the greatest because a team knew they couldn’t beat him unless they added a player that was already hall of fame
How many rings Randy Moss got? Not a valid comp
using ring count in team sports to compare individuals is dumb
@@armandoalcazar4325 maybe in football with receivers but you would have to be stupid to ignore that basketball is the 1 sport where a single player has the most influence in any team sport. there's only 1 ball and you play both sides
Moss had some stellar seasons, but I agree… not a valid comp at all. That stretch of time wasn’t enough for me. I don’t think it’s close.
Name a GOAT in that in any scenario where losing engulfs over winning!!
@@PolandSOulxJordan made 4 less trips to the finals. If winning in the finals is important, how are you the goat if you only made it 6 times out of 15 years?
Those are team accomplishments…..would you say horry is better than Jordan ? He has more rings 7-0 or havilchek who’s 8-0
@@israelmarlo7791 You could go either way, team or individual success. Horry or Havlichek was never part of the goat convo. Rings aren't everything, but when determining who is the goat; It is the most important.
@@katriniakemp2598 it’s about winning the finals not just getting the there so which is better 6 in 15ys or 4 in 21yrs it’s really a rhetorical question goofy 😂😂😂😂
@@israelmarlo7791horry was a bench player with no Allstars or individual awards bad example kid 😂😂😂😂😂
At 26 Bron averaged 17 points the 2011 finals against a team with one all star that year Dirk & lost to the Mavs Jason Terry outscored him can’t be the goat
A lot of critics bring this time up. I was routing for the underdog Mavs at the time and I can see as clear as day a lot of dynamics at play. Conflict with Spo as he tries to grab Bron by the horns with Riley's so called 'blessing.' And Wade eagerly trying to prove he can bring back time and take the Finals Mvp. Bron was the new cat in Miami back then. He had to receive their validation and they had to go through that for others to back down and let him take the wheel.
@@wyatthowlett87 thoughtful perspective but that still doesn’t explain why he averaged 2 points in the 4th quarter that series & Jason Terry was able to guard him 1on1 on in the post
@@chuckwayneii5567 thanks. IMO, he literally took his feet off the gas and I cant blame him.
@@wyatthowlett87 Why would he not get blame for taking his foot off the gas though? Either way you slice it that 2011 loss is probably the dealbreaker in terms putting him over Jordan
i get it Lebron and Heat choked in 2011.
What no one EVER mentions though is that Mavs SWEPT the reigning champions the Lakers who also had a stacked team. They SWEPT them!!!
Dont try to discredit the Mavs championship by blaming it all to Lebron, Mavs had an excellent team that gets more & more underrated as time passes.
It's crazy how much I disagree with Nick... I can't even begin to imagine how he actually believes what he says on this debate. It just seems like he's trying to get a reaction out of people for ratings and yet he gets plenty of those so I don't think that's what he's doing lol. I don't think we will ever come even close to agreeing but I respect the passion and enthusiasm. Much luv Nick!
Yet, you offered no rebuttal 😂🤡
Thank youuuuuu‼‼‼
So nice, I listened to it twice! Nick is the GOAT.
That’s a nice argument. 6 > 4 tho
11 > 6 though
@@dilanabey11 what?
@@tomstorm7926Bill Russel has 11. He’s trying to say simply counting rings doesn’t work.
10 Finals > 6 Finals
Jordan 1-9 first round without Pippen
What does having the most points at 40K really mean with only 1 scoring title in 21 years ?
@enemroy - It means he's the all time leading scorer in the history of the NBA. Google "all time NBA scorer" and see what picture pops up.
Means he played a really long time
@MuzikNBball Not complete. It means he's played a really long time AND SCORED A LOT OF POINTS.
@@MuzikNBball - A players has to be really good to play a long time and maintain a decent scoring average.
If you play long enough…you’ll be the NBA’s leading scorer 😂….which means NOTHING….Jordan scoring average is higher than Lebron. That should tell you all you need to know
I don’t think you can compare the two anymore… they both are in a different universes of greatness that you will marvel at for all time
💯 Agree.. This what I love about Nick.. He speaks 100% Facts.
He speaks half truths and lies by ommission.
Holding the 07 finals against Bron is ridiculous, the 2011 ones are different but similar to his years in the late 2010s dragging a dirt team to the Finals and losing in the face of immense odds/literally the superest super team in nba history is a net positive on his accolades
07 was a close series and LeBron shot 35%. 9, 11, 3, 1 point losses, rookie Jordan's 29 PPG and defense could have won vs LeBron's 22 PPG. No such thing as Irving/Love/Bron combo is "dragging a dirt team" either.
2018 there was no Irving and love was nothing special, that team was absolutely horrendous without Lebron. 2015 there was no Irving or love in the finals and lebron averaged 33 13 and 8 what more do u want from him
@@LukeKane-gb2vs to win in cleveland up 2-1 lol
Dragging a dirt team to the finals in 2011 😳
He was on a unbeatable super team.lol.
My goodness you Bronsexuals are hilariously delusional 😂
2007 the Cavs played poorly in the Finals including LBJ. He didn't up his game, only avg. 22, 35%fg, 20%3p, and 69%ft.
2009 LBJ and the Cavs where no.1 seed with 66w, yet they failed in the ECF to the Magic. Yes this was more of a team choke but LBJ shot badly in game 6. Even in game 3 despite scoring 41pts, he actually shot badly at only 39%fg and attrocious 12%3p, 18pts were free throws.
2010, again the Cavs was no.1 seed with 61w, yet worse crashed in the ECS where LBJ was accused of giving up, shooting poorly in game 456.
2011, his biggest choke of all that will never be forgotten, very well known and no need to elaborate anymore.
4-6 is the goat?
All the teams he lost to were better than all the teams Jordan beat. Competition matters. Lebron had greater competition.
So, he aint the goat then lol @@DannyDoGood
Basketball is a team sport knuckle dragger
@Brickcity90 I don't get your logic. He faced the Spurs dynasty and the Warriors dynasty for 70% of his finals trips. Jordan never faced such adversity because his comp was weak. It is what it is.
@@DannyDoGood bro Lebron had D wade and Bosh, but he still lost to Dallas and come man the spur should not beat them like that when you have the so call GOAT. Lebron is great but I don’t want to hear he face better competition when he did had help.
Basically Nick! You need to see a doctor 💯 #facts
Plus lebron took a short cut to get them rings, I can't respect that sorry!!! And he still can't 3peat with his super team!!! Smh
Lebron is my goat. And I saw Jordan play live during the 3-peats.
Same
4-6😂😂
You just can’t be serious
Good for you for continuing to watch the sport. Too many people say "I don't even need to watch, I saw the best ever"
by getting spanked by Jason Terry
Let em know Nick! #BronDaGoat
4-6 😂😂
What goat in any sport has a losing record in championship games? 🤔 legit question, not trying to troll.
A few of those teams shouldn’t have been in the finals, i don’t hold it against him like some do. Jordan loss in the 80s when he was overmatched, i don’t hold it against him. Iverson loss to the Lakers but he was overmatched. Rings matter but I’m not a rings only guy. Barry Sanders is the greatest running back in my opinion even though Emmitt has the rings and records. Barry didn’t have Emmitts team, that doesn’t diminish his greatness.
My God I would love to see Nick and Steven A debate this topic.....I couldn't click on it fast enough lol
Most honest man in show business
Look at the 2013 DPOY voting and tell me he's honest.
Move like Jordan, built like Malone, longevity like kareem, pass like magic, plays all positions = GOAT simple
LeBron GOAT of everything Except WINNING
4-6 in the Finals can't be the GOAT
it's laughable that people are still trying to make this argument LeBron literally got upset by Dirk Nowitzki when HE had the Better team lmaoooo. Miami Heat were heavily favored to win and they lost.
These people keep trying to move the goalposts and change the narrative for LeBron to be GOAT. The people will NEVER buy it.
Everybody loved Jordan because they knew it was greatness. LeBron got BOOED at the Superbowl in 2023 when he put the Fake Crown on his head because he ISNT THE GOAT.
LeBron is Amazing he can call himself the King and be right. But he is NOT THE GOAT no matter how hard fools like this commentator Nick Wright want or falsely claim/argue him to be. There is no argument they are desperate and they are grasping at straws.
@@KickStaffwinning is a team accomplishment. Next.
LeBron moves like Jordan? Not even close. LeBron drives are just like a freight train coming straight at you there is no smoothness or grace or even moves for that matter. That's like saying Shaq had the same moves as Hakeem.
Like jordan? Waa😅
the only thing special about Lebron is flopping
Why is it that Jordan stans are the first to talk about "your feelings don't matter" but all the arguments for him are based on feelings? Lebron shoots better, passes better, can defend more positions, is bigger, faster, and stronger, played in a vastly more skilled league, is statistically more clutch, and has been to more finals. He's played at the highest level for longer than anyone ever. He's scored more points than anyone ever. His absence from a team is far more impactful than Jordan's. Look at the Bulls when Jordan retired to "play" baseball...they nearly made the finals without him.
This is the softest, "I know what I saw and you can't change my mind because it hurts my feelings" argument.
It's done. Lebron is just better at basketball. Full stop.
“Nearly made the finals without him” You mean losing in the 2nd round is nearly making the Finals?!? The Knicks played the Pacers in the ECF that year.
@brianogrady3185 yes. That is what I mean. Watch that series. Then, take a look at Cavs, Heat, and Cavs again after lebron left. Look at the regular season records, because those teams weren't even close. The Bulls were still exceptionally good.
@@biZPapacromyour arguments are so disingenuous, all the teams gotten old when Lebron left but when Jordan left, two of his teammates became all stars as they developed. The Miami team went second round, two years after Lebron left just like what Scottie did when Jordan wasn’t there. Lebron doesn’t even guard the 5 or 1 for more than three mins, he’s a much worse defender than Jordan. Jordan is faster, jumps higher, can steal the ball more, actually plays defence the whole game, score way better, play off ball better, block more, and make his teammates better. Lebron ball hogs and has too many turnovers. Not even close to Mj’s level.
@@danieljoseph3013Ball hogs? He's the greatest point forward of all time and #4 all time in assists.
73% from free throw line. Average 3 point shooter, outside of 3 feet he shoots 30% yeah he's a better shooter. 10 scoring titles 3 steals titles 5 MVPs 6 FMVPS DPOY ROTY 2 seasons with 200 steals and 100 blocks highest PER highest PPG 9 all defense teams isn't feelings
Le Bron is a factor of longevity (careful planning, training, load management, pharmacology) & lenient officiating
He is an athletic phenomenon ... no doubt
Is he the most dominant player on the court?
Is he the most dominant player in his position, in his era?
Is he the product of his support cast?
He is the beginning of the super team era...it would have been Chris Paul if it that trade wasn't vetoed
He will be remembered as the face of the league in his error but thats it ... not an absolute great of the game
Brilliant 👏
Micheal Jordan is the only player in NBA history to win MVP, Finals MVP, Scoring title, Defensive Player All NBA and make 1st team All NBA in a season 🐐 and oh btw he did it 4 times
There is a bigger list of things only LeBron has done it. But I am sure you wont consider them, giving your lack of objectivity and your dishonest bias.
@@VelhaGuardaTricolor most turnovers of all time for starters, failure in 2004 Olympics,.., losing 6 Finals in the weakest Easttern conference of all time.. it goes on and on..
@@comparehealthlifedentalthe weakest EC was during the early 90s due to expansion so…
@@k_hack9441 another dumb tired take from someone who is just parroting what they heard someone else say and who didnt actually live or witness that era.. totally not true the expansion occurred because of the popularity of the sport and so many great players on the 27 teams that they could add 2 or 3 more, plus thats when all the players from Europe were coming in ..
Stats don’t matter when it’s Westbrook but it counts for Bron Joker and Luka. You guys have to do better.
I think we think about peak as a single game or moment in time. A year is too long
Nick stop, just stop. To use one of your best takes "Old people be lying".
Nick, LeBron has yet to win his *** 1st 3-Peat ***
- Just let that sink in -
Come on Nick stop. Just stop.
Nba is business, say I hired a pro to clean my house. One guy took 3 hrs to do job and the other took 6 hrs to his job! Which one do pick?
I take the one that takes 1 hour to do the job (Bill Russell). But the fans of the guy that does it in 3 hours get mad and change the argument...
Can't argue with that 11 rings, but he wasn't the best player in his team. Best defender of all time tho, so yeah he's also 🐐
@@1lik3itvideos56 He wasn't the best player on his team? Other than Bob Cousy in his rookie season what Celtics player was more valuable than Russell? He won 5 MVP awards and was top 3 an additional 4 times. He was never again outvoted by his teammate in the MVP voting.
But again, why change the conversation - the guy cleaned the house in 1 hour...
@@Adam-tt5csbill avg 15ppg in a trash era hush it 😂😂😂😂
@@kylonp7311 11 titles boy. sit down and stop barking.
Strong point!
Another championship argument against LeBron besides the 6 rings is that he never 3 peated and LeBron not part of a Dynasty, mostly every GOAT in every team sport is apart of Dynasty
That just goes to show you that competition is that much better in the LeBron era.
Yea the league is too well rounded and the game is so international now, dynasties will be tough. Warriors got it but had to add a top 5 player to a championship team to achieve it. Easier to have dynasties in the 80's/90's when there were less teams/players around
@@MistahUnknownhe never even faced most of the competition, he got the easy east
he beat dynasties
@@danieljoseph3013 ruclips.net/video/oHh_h52eD0c/видео.htmlsi=u25TQ5prtzgrLNrV
The problem with this argument is that he is assuming longevity vs peak is 50:50 weight. God is in the details. Even within the “peak” variable, there are weights, so you dont necessarily “score a point” per 1 year, 2 year, etc.
Even with it being weighted, he says LeBron had a better 1 year peak, they had even 2 year peak and Jordan had a better 3 year peak. But after that, LeBron had a better 4,5,6 and more year peaks. So if peak is close and longevity isn’t, then the player with both is logically better
@@SirBackPack 2013 was not the peak of anything. The man was awful for the first 5 finals games against the Spurs. Without a superteam that series is over in 4-5 gms.
I feel like the Moss Rice take was decent honestly, Rice is always seen as Auto #1 for the same reason people have Bron at the top. It is different sports though and a WAY different impact on the game
Winning 10 scoring titles is a peak.
Did this video start the “we’re done with the 90s” trend/meme😂😂
All facts nick‼️‼️‼️
Whole soul agreed Nick
This is a very strong argument for LeBron as goat. Yes, you can still argue Jordan was the goat, but you can't argue there isn't a very strong argument for LeBron.
Probably the best presentation of a Complete Lebron Goat Argument.
Fair !!
Gotta bring Chris on the pod for this convo
Facts
Delusion
Until you find out the Wizards awarded him that trophy.... Not the league
For extra credit, that Wizards team finished 10th in the east .. No PlayIN for them 😂
What day do you get your Lebron payroll check. Bought and paid for!
stop him when he lies . other than that keep crying
This guy needs to watch jimmy highroller. He doesn’t know how wrong he is.
Im a jordan guy but nick is right he's spitting facts.
Nick is right. Every time LeBron does something they move the goal post.
All I want to know is what is the criteria for the GOAT? What are the parameters? Then let's have an objective debate... Otherwise my GOAT is mine and your GOAT is yours... and who sets the parameters? Not Bron or Jordan fans, surely. Ever wondered why the NBA hasn't set a criteria as yet? Because it's in their best interest for the GOAT debate to continue.
MAJOR POINTS
wait completely unrelated did this man just say sum people might say randy moss had a greater peak then jerry rice 🤣🤣🤣????? i love randy but thats CRAZY
The goat debate been over. Jordan showed us wat a goat is. Lebron has been the goat for almost ten years. Let it go folks
The highest and most prestige accolade and accomplishment in basketball is the fmvp award . And Jordan owns 6 of them , the most in nba history . And he did that in a total of a 15 year career .
Get'em Nick!
'Dumb question'
-Jordan
WE DONE WITH THE 90s
Fantastic argument...
Wright says team success doesn't matter but he said lebron had a better peak because of team success 😅
Lebron and Jordan should not be mentioned in the same sentence. Everyone seems to forget Kobe Bryant who is also ahead of LJ.
The question is how many points did Michael average per year including playoffs?
The goat is not the best scorer stop that you know better
@@Unclejs_ stop what I never said anything about anybody being a goat that wasn't even the question. I'm just thinking about how many points they scored each season and had Jordan never retired the first 2 times he would have been well over 40k points that's literally all I'm saying. Now with that being said LeBrons 40k points combined with his assist numbers it's not even close. Jordan lacked in that department.
@@sidney1234usc possibly but total regular season and playoffs Bron would still have him beat
@@Unclejs_ That's not a fact
@@sidney1234usc no it's not 🤣 facts can be proven
This is why pippen is mad the proper credit is not given to the team. The bulls had a great team
So they didn’t stop the game when lebron got the record??
So it’s quantity over quality??
Dude forgot about the 1988 season lol
We done with the the 90s
If you're going to argue peaks in the goat debate. Then Shaq is the goat
So it’s quantity over quality?
Rice vs moss isn’t as clear cut as you think
Stop it Nick WRONG😂
Nah, Nick is cooking Facts🔥
Jordan losses to
Bucks 85'
Celtics sweep 86' & 87'
Pistons 88', 89', 90' ,
Magic 95'
Wizards 0 playoffs . As a Bull 7 bad endings.
Needed tex Winters to give him answers how do I beat Pistons?
Triangle offense!
Pippen wins nothing without him, but blames him in 90' eastern conference finals losses. Even gets called "Migraine game " Great teammate.
The Airness can't beat 1 team in a winner take all game 7????
1 game. LeBron beats his Pistons foe. They had 4 All stars and tayshawn Prince 6 9' defensive specialists. Case closed. Jordan had the Greatest....Marketing ever by Nike with the Greatest style of play. But not big enough unlike LeBron to make a impact on the inside. Rebound or block shots like a Big.
It’s funny how you never mentioned how lebron keeps getting swept 🤣🤣🤣
I'd say the best comparison for "peak" that is fair for both players is 26 to 35. That is when both players were having significant success in the Playoffs. If you go year-by-year, then I see LeBron being better for at least 4 of these ages while Jordan was better for at most 4 of these ages. I have them tied for 2 of these ages. LeBron would get one year during an age that Jordan didn't play (age 31), but Jordan would also get one year for an age that LeBron basically didn't play either due to significant injury during the season. The injury was a definite factor in the Lakers not being in the Playoffs when LeBron was age 34.
If the goat was purely peak then Shaq is the goat and Shaq isn't the goat
They always mention LBJ having a lot of assist. Why don’t they ever mention he’s the all time leader in turnovers?????
Turnovers are a part of the game...the top 20 is dominated by greats (and Westbrook). If you can't hold on to the ball, you won't be in the league long.
Just say lbj is your goat. Listening to a guy who is paid by the guy he is advocating for is sad. He said it's been over since the 3-1 comeback so who you trying to convince.
Your right , Nick is paid by Clutch sports always being wined and dined by them, and he on their payroll, its obvious what is going on here.
Watch the channel uncut hoops if you want to see this argument absolutely obliterated into a different stratosphere
Gorge foreman " IS IS ALWAYS BETTER THAN WAS"
MeatJ 1-9 career playoff record without Pippen. STOP IT
Kobe will forever by my GOAT but that goes beyond basketball. Lebron is in my opinion the best to ever do it and longevity is a huge part in that decision. But if I was a Jordan supporter I would counter Nick by saying that by your own logic on peak it speaks to Jordan’s greatness that his 8 year peak is better than Lebrons when he had the 94 and 95 seasons off included
3 years of consecutive championships twice ..6 trophies. Case closed
In 1985 Larry Bird scored 28.7 rebounded 10.5 assisted 6.6 won MVP went to finals. 1986 numbers 25.8, 9.8, 6.8 MVP won championship. Thank you Nick wright for finally definitely proving that Larry Bird is the greatest small forward of all time
That good juice is better than no juice
Stop it 😂😂😂