I have been immersed in the hard sciences for over 20 years and at times needed to work with infinite regressions, terms without limits etc And i dare say that Jesse has got the concept of the infinite down. I pray you keep applying that brilliant mind you've been gifted.
perfectly said. if someone thinks God goes in and out of time, they admit that he is not omnipresent, but rather he must go to places in time in order to "be there". you have it perfectly said
Not if God can be both in and out of time at the same moment. Like a mirror. Just because God enters time does not make Him subject to it. For example, when God was in the burning bush, the fire did not consume the bush. God was not subject to fire. God was not breathing on Earth even though all creatures on Earth must breath. The morning and the evening were the 1st day. Time started. I knew you before I formed you in your Mother's womb. Before your time God was there. God is the creator of time. He rules time.
@@HeavenGuy Strawman. Nobody denies Jesus was God in flesh or that it was a temporal act (in time). What i was addressing was the notion thet God "entered" time. The assumption in that statement is that time is somethng that is created and God was outside of it till he decided to enter it. That statement is incoherent and unbiblical.
@@leonardu6094 - The evening and the morning were the first day. Time definitely had a beginning that was created by God. Jesus clearly entered into time becoming flesh. I will let others who read this decide who is incoherent and unbiblical.
I use to believe in exhaustive foreknowledge, that God exists presently in past, present, and the future. In believing in such notions i committed myself to pray that the past of Nazi Germany be changed, and logically if He exists in the past as a present then the past is able to be changed. I realized after weeks of praying like this for several different objects of those prayers that it was a waste of time. Only in a view of scripture do we see the past is solid and cannot be changed and the present is able to be molded and the future is open with many possibilities. I appreciate you teaching this subject in the past as it showed me the heart of God presently can be affected by my current actions for the better or the worse and I can make this day a peace and rest for Him or not.
Since everything that has happened in the past is a result of GOD's eternal, perfect providential sovereign will (Romans 8:28) then it is a waste of time to pray to GOD to change those past events. Our prayers to GOD are ultimately done to change, conform and transform us into the image and likeness of Jesus Christ. Along with getting us to submit and surrender our very limited amount of GOD given freewill over to GOD's eternal, perfect providential sovereign will for our temporary, finite lives here on Earth.
@@michaelg.tucker6363 u said "our very limited amount of GOD given freewill." there are hundreds of Scriptures that prove the future is open to possibilities, contingencies, to be decided by reasonable creatures and which God in His infinite wisdom chose NOT to know its outcome. some He knows as certain and others He knows as uncertain. this is how God's omniscience and man's free will coexist. NOTE this is done by God's sovereign choice not by an imperfect limitation in His omniscience. the triune God lives in eternity and if He chooses, He can know the futurity of any event instantly. this is where I disagree with Jesse Morrell who claims God lives in time. "And the LORD regretted that He had made man on the earth, and He was grieved in His heart." Gen. 6:6 "He said, “Do not reach out your hand against the boy, and do not do anything to him; for now I know that you fear God, since you have not withheld your son, your only son, from Me.” Gen. 22:12 “I regret that I have made Saul king, for he has turned away from following Me and has not carried out My instructions.” And Samuel was distressed and cried out to the LORD all that night." 1 Sam. 15:11 "But if that nation I warned turns from its evil, then I will relent of the disaster I had planned to bring." Jer. 18:8 "Thus says the Lord: ‘Stand in the court of the Lord’s house, and speak to all the cities of Judah, which come to worship in the Lord’s house, all the words that I command you to speak to them. Do not diminish a word. Perhaps everyone will listen and turn from his evil way, that I may relent concerning the calamity which I purpose to bring on them because of the evil of their doings." Jer. 26:2, 3 "Perhaps when the people of Judah hear about all the calamity I plan to bring upon them, each of them will turn from his wicked way. Then I will forgive their iniquity and their sin." Jer. 36:3 "As for them, whether they hear or whether they refuse-for they are a rebellious house-yet they will know that a prophet has been among them." Ezk. 2:5 "Then the Lord said to Moses, “Behold, I will rain bread from heaven for you. And the people shall go out and gather a certain quota every day, that I may test them, whether they will walk in My law or not." Exd. 16:4 "And you shall remember that the Lord your God led you all the way these forty years in the wilderness, to humble you and test you, to know what was in your heart, whether you would keep His commandments or not." Det. 8:2 "I also will no longer drive out before them any of the nations which Joshua left when he died, 22 so that through them I may test Israel, whether they will keep the ways of the Lord, to walk in them as their fathers kept them, or not.” 23 Therefore the Lord left those nations, without driving them out immediately; nor did He deliver them into the hand of Joshua." Joshua 2:21-23 "And they were left, that He might test Israel by them, to know whether they would obey the commandments of the Lord, which He had commanded their fathers by the hand of Moses." Joshua 3:4 "Then Jesus lifted up His eyes, and seeing a great multitude coming toward Him, He said to Philip, “Where shall we buy bread, that these may eat?” But this He said to test him, for He Himself knew what He would do." John 6:5, 6 "What more could have been done to My vineyard That I have not done in it? Why then, when I expected it to bring forth good grapes, Did it bring forth wild grapes?" Isa. 5:4 "I gave you cleanness of teeth in all your cities, and lack of bread in all your places, yet you did not return to Me,” declares the LORD. I also withheld the rain from you when there were yet three months to the harvest; I would send rain on one city, and send no rain on another city; one field would have rain, and the field on which it did not rain would wither; so two or three cities would wander to another city to drink water, and would not be satisfied; yet you did not return to Me,” declares the LORD. I struck you with blight and mildew; your many gardens and your vineyards, your fig trees and your olive trees the locust devoured; yet you did not return to Me,” declares the LORD. I sent among you a pestilence after the manner of Egypt; I killed your young men with the sword, and carried away your horses, and I made the stench of your camp go up into your nostrils; yet you did not return to Me,” declares the LORD. I overthrew some of you, as when God overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah, and you were as a brand plucked out of the burning; yet you did not return to Me,” declares the LORD." Amos 4:6-11 "And a servant of the Lord must not quarrel but be gentle to all, able to teach, patient, in humility correcting those who are in opposition, if God perhaps will grant them repentance, so that they may know the truth, and that they may come to their senses and escape the snare of the devil, having been taken captive by him to do his will." 2 Tim. 2:24-26 "if the wicked turns away from all his sins that he has committed and keeps all my statutes and does what is just and right, he shall surely live; he shall not die. None of the transgressions that he has committed shall be remembered against him; for the righteousness that he has done he shall live. Do I get any pleasure in the death of the wicked, declares the Lord GOD, and not rather that he should turn from his ways and live? But when the righteous turns away from his righteousness and does injustice and does the same abominations that the wicked does, shall he live? None of the righteous deeds that he has done shall be remembered; for the treachery of which he is guilty and the sin he has committed, for them he shall die." Ezk. 18:21-24 "Repent therefore of this your wickedness, and pray God if perhaps the thought of your heart may be forgiven you." Acts 8:22 "The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance." 2 Pet. 3:9 "For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior, Who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth." 1 Tim. 2:3, 4
I do think he created time as we know it... regular material clock like time. We don't know what internal time without external corespondance would be like... as non material thoughts have no brain-time rooted in material dependancy (speed of thought). WLC posits that, instead of B theory of time (atemporality) God is prior to sequential time before creation because there are no events yet, but logically you still need a sequence... in any sort of propositional thinking, like deciding, there is clearly a before and after, but for God there's nothing to demand this process coresponds to OUR time line. Some think this is like a perpendicular time line, and there can be any number of these intersecting WITH our time line... "God Time". It's not a temporal, it just looks that way relativistically. But regardless I fully agree that ALL scripture that describes God's actions SHOWS God is in time. Things just get dicy when you imagine a completely pre-creation state where God's thoughts, nature and ability have no reference points outside himself. This isn't a defense of b theory, or genuine timelessness as is imagined in classical theology. But to create any limited thing that can change, outside himself, then "time" in a conventional sense, then starts to exist. Obviously internal sequence exists in God in SOME sense, but duration requires material or procedural limits ducted by external or finite objects. Duration= an AMOUNT of time. It requires comparison, and is dictated by "how long it takes". Once atoms exist then it TAKES x amount of time to do z with it in y situation. Once you've got a recipe and ingredients and an oven, then you put it on 350 for 3 hours. Hence the 6 days of creation. But except this specific expecting I fully agree.
They would argue simply using the word "before" time indicates time before time. There is another explanation though. We only understand things in time. Those words are used for our comprehension, no as a containment vessel.
Acts 15:18 Known unto God are all his works from the beginning of the world. Revelation 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
Acts 15:18 should not be taken out of context. Here, the book of Acts was saying God knows all the works of the Gentiles from the beginning of the world, which makes sense. He knows everything about every body from the moment we are born. He knows everything we say and do. In Revelations 13:8 I believe it is simply stating that those who were never written in the Lamb's book of life, will be worshiping Satan. We are told by Jesus that some seeds (people) were sown in as tares and not wheat. So that means the devil has sown his own seed. Those evil people will be worshiping Satan during Tribulations. They came from Satan and belong to Satan and will worship Satan and never were written in the Lamb's book of life.
Spot on. TIme is a metric of existence. Existence is a continuum we call eternity because it never started nor ends, ergo is not a portion which can be measured by a clock. I have been writing now for one minute. That is what the metric we call time is, a means of measuring a segment of the continuum of existence. It is not something you are "in" or "out of any more than you are "In" a meter or yard, or out of a meter or yard. They are metrics applied to dimensions. Dimensions are ONLY attributes of things. Height, length, width, time period, mass, or in gravity, weight, etc.
I've always been an open theist but it wasn't until I started watching jesse that I felt I could effectively defend open theism to my calvinist friends
Brilliant! I love every bit of this! It's almost exactly the same thing I have been thinking since when I read the bible cover to cover in 2012, and also learned about the heretical introduction of Neo-platonic thinking (though at that time I did not realize Augustine's role, but have since learned of many reasons to distrust his words (Hermetic doctrines, etc.). I would say one thing could / should be taken further than how you have stated it... that *God is time* , just as "God is love", and God is the way, the truth, and the life; and He is the word and He is also the light. So I suspect... rather than: "Time, a conscious attribute of being", "Time, a revealed attribute of God", like love. (Could be wrong, but there it is!) Love isn't "a thing" either. Yet HE IS love. "He IS" everlasting to everlasting. "He IS" THE beginning and the end. "In" the beginning, God...(not before the beginning God) _ie._ God in God(the beginning)] - "I am in the father and the father is in me". NOT "before the beginning was, I am"; BUT "**I AM** THE (everlasting) BEGINNING [to everlasting end]". We see the relatedness of time to consciousness in the sense that time appears to change speed. As we age, time gets faster. We can be having fun, and... "time flies!" Our sense of time is relative. It can slow down dramatically when our life is threatened, and it can seem to stop under the use of chemical substances (been there). And there is a physical explanation for all of this, yet we experience these as time. Just like there is a physical explanation for the wave forms of light, but we experience these as color. This is the Majesty of God, that we are more than the sum of our parts. All this to say... time is merely our perspective on change; and that Einstein should have more often put down his calculator and picked up the holy bible. 😂
I like you videos. They have a good tone to them, and nice explanations. Regarding the atonement rabbit hole, not disagreeing with the idea that the Bible doesn’t teach that Christ paid our debt, but with the argument presented that if He did, then no one would be lost. The flaw here is that people are not lost because of something arbitrary or technical, like a debt not being paid, but because of unbelief. Many scripture texts are very clear about this, the most famous probably being the John 3:16 passage, where Jesus said He did not come to condemn the world, but that it might be saved, and the condemnation that comes upon the lost is because they did not believe. He couldn’t have been more clear. He goes on to say that they will not come to the light, because their deeds are evil, which gets to the real issue here, which is that the lost are not reconciled to God - they don’t love Him, nor even like Him. They want nothing to do with Hum, so God gives them over (Romans 1) to their own choice, because what would the alternative be? God forcing them against their will to do something they don’t want to do? This is why the Gospel is an invitation. All who will may come. Those who reject the invitation are lost, because they remain as they were, unconverted, not loving God nor wanting anything to do with Him. Heaven would be absolute misery, hell even, for them.
In the beginning God created...Gen. 1:1 Before the creative acts mentioned in this chapter all was Eternity. Time signifies duration measured by the revolutions of the heavenly bodies: but prior to the creation of these bodies there could be no measurement of duration, and consequently no time; therefore in the beginning must necessarily mean the commencement of time which followed, or rather was produced by God's creative acts as an effect follows or is produced by a cause.
Time is only a measurement of action... God knows in advance because He makes it happen. Isaiah 46 : 9-11 9 Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me, 10 Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, ****My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:*** 11 Calling a ravenous bird from the east, the man that executeth my counsel from a far country: yea,**** I have spoken it, I will also bring it to pass; I have purposed it, I will also do it.****
I just read a warning from Josef Urban, calling you a heretic. He states that you said God does not know the future. However, from what I've seen on your channel. You don't state that, but state that God knows and allows us to make our own choices. That can take multiple forms and ways. I guess open theism is his biggest concern.
He is teaching God doesn't know the future because the future is a non existent idea that cannot be known. God is in time and therefore cannot see beyond the present moment. It may be more accurate to understand prophesy as God declaring the future not revealing the future.
@@tyronedawson8553 “Before I formed you in the womb I knew you; Before you were born I sanctified you; I ordained you a prophet to the nations.” Jer 1:5. Yeah, God’s probably semi-niscient. Brilliant trend, this.
We live in a four dimensional SpaceTime continuum. Heaven is a higher continuum as there are more dimensions and a greater color spectrum. Everything is moving much faster so there is less time decay. Time exists as a constant. In heaven There is no awareness of moments of time passing. Existence is eternal. I suppose when one thousand earth years pass, it only seems like a day in heaven. (2 Peter 3:8)
I would assume the author of ALL creation can do and or use time however HE wishes… My only concern about time is there never is enough and every second we waste is another soul headed to a blackness that literally scared the hell out of me!😁 And it’s TIME we recognize that to not reach everyone we can with the truth is the biggest form of hate you can possibly show your neighbor
Heb. 1:2 is a strong argument that God created time, hence He existed in eternity prior to time. think about it. "For thus says the High and Lofty One Who inhabits eternity, whose name is Holy: “I dwell in the high and holy place, With him who has a contrite and humble spirit, To revive the spirit of the humble, And to revive the heart of the contrite ones." Isa. 57:15
@@Miskeen-33 Jesse's version of open theism is that God did not create time because He always lived in time. he believes eternity is endless time. I disagree with him on that. I believe eternity is outside of time. I believe God created time, matter and space in the same moment. Gen. 1:1
If God was a subject of time, something would be above him. God also could not be omnipresent if contained by time. Also, God stopped time for an hour in the OT. How could God be ruler over what rules Him?
LV the discussion of Time and God! 1.) God EXPERIENCES TIME differently than humans (for Him 1000 years are as a day and a day as 1000 years, for instance!) 2. ) God is everywhere at the same time, meaning He is NOT RESTRICTED by Time limits the way humans are. 3.) Einstein showed us the Time/Space Curve.... Time is a 'matter' of some sort and a DIMENSION. Similarly to Light which is a matter/aka particles and is NOT just an EXPERIENCE! 4.) We EXPerience life through TIME, but Time is not an EXPERIENCE per se. Likewise, we experience the world around us through Matter. But Matter is not tied to Experience. 5.) The notion that TIME only exists as or is bound up with EXPERIENCE is a KANTIAN view: see Kant's discussion of the Venus of Milo. Only via the EXPERIENCE/perception of man does the Venus of Milo become or exist as the Venus of Milo. In absentia of human experience it simply does not exist. That is Kant's view. So yes God CREATED Time the way He created Matter. And, He ties our human experience to both TIme and Space/Matter. But Time is not tied to or equivalent to Experience; neither God's experience nor humankind's experience. No more than Matter is tied to or only exists in Experience. Both Time and Matter exist OUTSIDE of Experience though we do experience the world through Time and Matter. The opposite of Kant's view.
you are correct. "In the beginning God created..." Gen. 1:1 Before the creative acts mentioned in this chapter all was Eternity. time signifies duration measured by the revolutions of the heavenly bodies: but prior to the creation of these bodies there could be no measurement of duration, and consequently no time; therefore in the beginning must necessarily mean the commencement of time which followed, or rather was produced by God's creative acts, as an effect follows or is produced by a cause.
We don't understand what non time is! Time has a beginning and end. There is no doubt that time as we know it started when God said let there be light! And the evening and the morning was the first day! But we know the earth itself is much older than the creation. Jesus said some very interesting things relating to time or non time. I saw Satan fall as lightening! Another, He said the son of man is in heaven. Rev, tell us time will be no more! We know the secrets of God are hidden from man.
You are limiting God to the physics He created for us to exist within. Anthrpomorphisms are used continually in the bible so we can relate to what's being presented. God may experience sequence in His existence in some way none of us will ever understand, that doesn't mean he is not outside our timeline. Just because He knows what is going to happen, does not mean He caused it or that the future is fixed and unchangeable. He just already knows what changes will be made. If He is not outside of our time, how does He know the future? Which is throughout the bible. And we know this from fulfilled prophesy. And why would you trust Revelation which is all future tense? In fact He even uses that as a proof of Himself as God saying who else knows the end from the beginning.
Actually, Jesse, you are conflating time based on internal relations (genetic time) with time based on external relations (as in the case of a clock) which is measurable time. God creates both kinds of time. He creates genetic time through the process of creating. He created days, months, and seasons on the fourth day of creation by creating the sun, moon, and stars for measured time. Yes, time is a creation even if it serves to order relations both internal and external.
Well stated. God created the laws that determine how time is measured. Space and time is relative. Large celestial bodies with great mass and gravitational pull can slow time and bend light. And if angels are light beings existing in a higher dimension where everything is moving at the speed of light, then there must be time decay, so clocks would turn over much slower. The heavens must be subject to time because they wear old as a garment, so God is continually creating new heavens...
I don't know guys. It is agreed by a lot of scientists that their are some fundamental flaws to our understanding of time. Some concluding that it is simply an illusion. It makes intuitive sense that time may be an attribute of being like consciousness is an attribute of being.
Rom 3:9 What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin; Rom 3:10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: Rom 3:11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God. Rom 3:12 They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.
If He didn't create Time bc:"... where did he get the Time from to create it?" LOL, (one of the fallacy questions like can God create a situation He cannot control? A trick question designed to trip up God's All-powerful attributes)... If you follow that same 'logic' then where did God get the SPACE from to Create Space? It's a mute point! God Created Space and Matter. AND, God Created Time. He created Space out of No Space, He Created Matter out of No Matter and He Created Time (drumroll!:) out of No Time. Some of us cannot comprehend that bc the human existence is suspended inside Space, Matter and TIme. God's existence is not.
Jesus, not "yeshua". you are using a demonically created name which is part of the hebrew roots movement. Not one manuscript calls him that. If God wanted us to know His Son's name correctly according to you, He surely would have put "yeshua" somewhere. Cut it out with that nonsense.
@@bigdogboos1 It's not "demonically created" since that's the pronunciation in Hebrew, but you're right that it's nonsense to say it, especially for a Gentile, as if it were more accurate than Jesus.
@@DrGeorgeAntonios especially for a gentile? What in the world? there is neither Jew nor Greek anymore, only Christ. way to do exactly what scripture says not to do by dividing people
@@bigdogboos1 Spiritually, in Christ, yes; but not in the flesh. Paul sometimes addresses believers as "Gentiles" in reference to their earthly identity. Relax friend.
If you believe that we will continually eat from the tree of life, how can you possibly say that the dammed will live forever and hell? They have never been permitted to eat from the tree of life even once. You are very knowledgeable, but you need to look at the biblical description of eternal existence, and it only applies to the righteous.
@@bigdogboos1 Well, the Bible certainly implies we will eat from the tree of life in heaven (Revelation). Cite your Bible verses that say we will never eat from the tree of life; I bet you can't. We are trying to have a biblical conversation here, not throw around baseless opinions. You are correct that the righteous will live forever, but the Bible never says the wicked will--at least not in the Greek (hint: aion means age, a finite period of time). This is the main point of this conversation.
you deleted my critique even though I am an open theist. the only disagreement we have is that I believe God lives in eternity and He created time with space and matter. Gen. 1:1 your position is that God can NEVER know the futuristic contingency of a human's decision IF He desires to do so. my position is that He chooses to limit His absolute attribute of omniscience. your position is that He is limited by the fact that He lives in time and is unable to know the future even if He wanted to. many brothers mighty in the Scriptures have noticed this blasphemous fallacy in your theology. I advice you to reconsider.
There’s chronology or duration in heaven but there’s no clocks! it’s eternal yet there is still chronology, get the Book Harpazo by Jacob Prasch ! God creates time in the first verse of the Bible “ in the beginning” ..time is not in anyway equal to God and thereby infinite like God! several verses say he’s from everlasting to everlasting and he’s the Alpha and the Omega, that means he exists outside of time REGARDLESS OF TIME! he was never born and he’ll never die, so this concept of time is the actuality of time is equal to God himself! it’s a created essence of God there’s no verse to back up what you’re saying, that it’s equivalent to God! This is a winky Pratney teaching isn’t it! This is where you go to the Greek and Hebrew and Jacob Prasch breaks this down, or RUclips it!
I disagree about the nature of God. Time, Space, Matter even spirits are created by God, though God's Holy Spirit was not created. The place where God relates to His creation has time, space matter and so forth. We are all created so we work within that framework. God is unique. God is not limited by the creation. Though God is limited by His nature, that is why He is not infinite in essence. Infinite is boundless. God is all about boundaries and He Himself is bonded by His nature. But I agree God has an eternal essence like love. This essence is outside of creation in Him for He consists of three persons or entities. Eternal is not a Quantity like infinite time but is a Quality. We are promised Eternal Life but this is a quality of life not infinite time. If it was infinite time we would be before creation and after creation. We would be God, which we are not.
@@bigdogboos1 In the beginning God created...Gen. 1:1 Before the creative acts mentioned in this chapter all was Eternity. Time signifies duration measured by the revolutions of the heavenly bodies: but prior to the creation of these bodies there could be no measurement of duration, and consequently no time; therefore in the beginning must necessarily mean the commencement of time which followed, or rather was produced by God's creative acts as an effect follows or is produced by a cause.
This guy is delusional. God is all knowing all powerful. He knows all of space and all of time. If he didn't he's not even a the most high but some lesser god. Now christ in the flesh didn't know everything until he died and rose again and is now the living body of the most high God.
Shem E on a resh.(Spelling).In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. Genesis 1:1 GOD created the heavens and the Earth. S.T.E.M. Space Time Energy Matter.
how do you come to that conclusion? Its not biblical, and does not harmonize with the FULL WEIGHT OF SCRIPTURE...No verse is of any private interpretation said Peter..space and time are not created things, they are simply measurements
The God of the Bible is the same God before the bible was written. Before were the cannanites with many Gods then the idea of one God was floating around such as Zoroaster and some other few dudes outhere with the same idea of one God. Quit being mind lazy and do some research. There is more outhere what meets the eye.
You called the survival study, but it's really a study of your own philosophical meanderings. You incorporate many philosophical definitions that are not based in scripture and then impose them on scripture. I'm sorry but you're a heretic. I saw your debate against the Calvinists and the idea of an impassable God, and you are right there, but you are not solving the problem with scripture alone. You're just going to another branch of philosophy. You miss many basic scriptural points. Heaven is not eternity. Also, if God is the beginning, and he created the world in the beginning, then he created the world in himself. That world already had to heavens before he separated the waters to create a third heaven. So simple. So time began when God created the world, and since God created the world out of nothing, there is no reason to determine that a sequence was necessary for him to create it. His creating it was the beginning of sequence.
@@beverlycrowell_ LOL im a ex Protestant who used to watch Jesse protestantism wasn't even made until the 1500 buddy look into the first thousand and 500 years of Christianity that took martin luther is a lair Jesus said his church will not go astray in scripture so you're calling Jesus a liar
@@Catholic01 Because we protest the Babylonian church does not mean we follow Luther. BTW, the Babylonian church was not created until almost 400 AD. I doubt you were ever a true disciple of Jesus.
Good! TIME to apply reason to do away with the antichrist, Christ is God lie. The Father is God and creator. No one else is the one God, not even his Son. The Father is God. John 4:23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. Believing Christ is God is not believing he is the Son of God. It denies both God and his Son.
It takes 5 mins to refute this with scripture. Ever heard of John 3:16? Ever read 1 and 2 John? Or Revelation? To deny the deity of Christ is to evince the spirit of the antichrist. “I and the Father are one.” John 10:30.
the INSPIRED writers of the NT applied to Jesus OT passages that spoke of YHWH # 1- Isaiah 40:3-5 applied to Jesus in Matt. 3:3-6; Mark 1:2-4; Luke 1:76; 3:2-6; John 1:22, 23 # 2- Isaiah 6:1-10 applied to Jesus in John 12:36-42 # 3-Isaiah 45:22-25 applied to Jesus in Ph. 2:10 # 4-Zech/ 12:8-10 applied to Jesus in John 19:34-37 # 5-Psalm 24:7-10 applied to Jesus in 1 Cor. 2:7, 8 # 6-Joel 2:32 applied to Jesus in Rom. 10:13 # 7-Psalm 34:8 applied to Jesus in 1 Pet. 2:3, 4 # 8- Malachi 4:5, 6 applied to Jesus in Luke 1:16, 17 # 9-Isaiah 44:6; 48:12 applied by Jesus to Himself and recorded by John in Rev. 1:17, 18; 2:8; 22:12-16. Besides all this evidence, John used Genesis 1:1 creation terminology when he referred to Jesus in John 1:1-3. The apostle Paul did the same in Col. 1:15-17. So did the writer of Hebrews in Heb. 1:2, 3. And in Heb. 1:10-12, he quoted Psalm 102:25-27 WORD FOR WORD, which vividly describes God in His Creator and Eternal attributes and applied it to Jesus. "And: “You, Lord, in the beginning laid the foundation of the earth, And the heavens are the work of Your hands. They will perish, but You remain; And they will all grow old like a garment; Like a cloak You will fold them up, And they will be changed. But You are the same, And Your years will not fail.”
is very easy to prove the pre existence of Jesus before Bethlehem. "And now, O Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was." John 17:5 "What then if you should see the Son of Man ascend where He was before?" John 6:62 "No one has ascended to heaven, but He who descended from heaven: the Son of Man." John 3:13 "For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me." John 6:38 "Then the Jews said to Him, “You are not yet fifty years old, and have You seen Abraham?” Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I AM.” John 8:57, 58 "Then Jesus answered and said, while He taught in the temple, “How is it that the scribes say that the Christ is the Son of David? For David himself said by the Holy Spirit: ‘The Lord said to my Lord, “Sit at My right hand, Till I make Your enemies Your footstool.” ’Therefore if David himself calls Him ‘Lord’; how is He then his Son?” Mark 12:35-37 "But although He had done so many signs before them, they did not believe in Him, that the word of Isaiah the prophet might be fulfilled, which he spoke: “Lord, who has believed our report? And to whom has the arm of the Lord been revealed?” (Isa. 53:1) Therefore they could not believe, because Isaiah said again: “He has blinded their eyes and hardened their hearts, Lest they should see with their eyes, Lest they should understand with their hearts and turn, So that I should heal them.” These things Isaiah said when he saw His glory and spoke of Him." John 12:37-41 this is when Isaiah saw the glory of Jesus: "In the year that King Uzziah died, I saw the Lord sitting on a throne, high and lifted up, and the train of His robe filled the temple. Above it stood seraphim; each one had six wings: with two he covered his face, with two he covered his feet, and with two he flew. And one cried to another and said: “Holy, holy, holy is the Lord of hosts; The whole earth is full of His glory!” Isa. 6:1-3
Paul's Jesus is the Lord of glory. "But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, the hidden wisdom which God ordained before the ages for our glory, which none of the rulers of this age knew; for had they known, they would not have crucified the LORD OF GLORY." 2 Cor. 2:7, 8 which is an allusion to Psalm 24, "Who is this King of glory? The Lord/YHWH of hosts, He is the King of glory. Selah" v.10 Paul believed Jesus was God. a truth you deny, heretic. this is the Jesus of the Bible, my Jesus, Paul's Jesus: "Therefore take heed to yourselves and to all the flock, among which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to shepherd the church of God which He purchased with His own blood." Acts 20:28 "of whom are the fathers and from whom, according to the flesh, Christ came, who is over all, the eternally blessed God. Amen." Rom. 9:5 "Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus, who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God," Ph. 2:5, 6 "For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him. And He is before all things, and in Him all things consist." Col. 1:16, 17 "For in Him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form." Col. 2:9 "And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifested in the flesh, Justified in the Spirit, Seen by angels, Preached among the Gentiles, Believed on in the world, Received up in glory." 1 Tim. 3:16 "looking for the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ," Titus 2:13
Jesus said He existed before Abraham, John 8:56-58 Jesus said He existed before king David, Mark 12:35-37 Jesus said He was in heaven before coming to earth, John 3:13; 6:38, 62 Jesus said He and the Father lived in glory before the world existed, John 17:5 hence Paul called him the Lord of glory, 1 Cor. 2:8 Jesus said He had the same power as the Father to resurrect the dead. He demanded to be given the same honor given to God, John 5:18-23 NOTE only God can resurrect the dead. Jesus implied equality with God, John 10:30 the Jews understood exactly what He meant, "The Jews answered Him, saying, “For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy, and because You, being a Man, make Yourself God.” John 10:33 Jesus was crucified for blasphemy, for saying He was equal with God. this is what Son of God/Son of Man, sitting at the right hand of God etc etc meant to the Jews, Mark 14:61-64; John 19:7 Jesus said He was Lord of the Sabbath, Matt. 12:8 Jesus said He was omnipresent. "For where two or three are gathered together in My name, I am there in the midst of them.” Matt. 18:20 NOTE None but God could say these words with truth, because God alone is every where present, and these words refer to His omnipresence. Wherever millions of assemblies are gathered in the same moment, in different places, (which is a very possible case), this promise states that Jesus is in each of them. Can anyone say these words, except God Who fills both heaven and earth? Paul agrees with this, "To the church of God which is at Corinth, to those who are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called saints, with all who in every place call on the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both theirs and ours:" 1 Cor. 1:2 "He who descended is also the One who ascended far above all the heavens, that He might fill all things." Eph. 4:10 when Thomas called Him God, John 20:28, Jesus did not correct him. as a matter of fact, Jesus did the opposite: encouraged Thomas, "Thomas, because you have seen Me, you have believed. Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.” John 20:21 Jesus had complete authority over His creation, when He rebuked the storm it instantly obeyed Him, Mark 4:39-41 when the soldiers sent from the Pharisees came with Judas to arrest the Lord, He let them first know Who they were arresting, "Whom are you seeking?” They answered Him, “Jesus of Nazareth.” Jesus said to them, “I AM” And Judas, who betrayed Him, also stood with them. Now when He said to them, “I AM,” they drew back and FELL TO THE GROUND." John 18:4-6 the power of God in His Voice. Jesus forgave sins. an attribute only God possesses. absolute attributes such as eternal existence, omnipotence, omniscience, the ability to create, to speak matter into existence, to forgive sins...can not be delegated. the Jews knew only God could forgive sins, "And the scribes and the Pharisees began to reason, saying, “Who is this who speaks blasphemies? Who can forgive sins but God alone?” Luke 5:21
@@jamesestrella5911 yahweh is not a biblical name. it is made up in modern times. the tetragrammaton when sounded out gives us Jehovah. This yahweh stuff is demonic and is does not come from the word of God.
I have been immersed in the hard sciences for over 20 years and at times needed to work with infinite regressions, terms without limits etc And i dare say that Jesse has got the concept of the infinite down. I pray you keep applying that brilliant mind you've been gifted.
My eyes popped out of my head when I saw this channel has finally uploaded a new video thank you lol
Amen, me too.
pls keep teaching us brother
David Pawson said that God is not outside time, but time is inside God.
perfectly said.
if someone thinks God goes in and out of time, they admit that he is not omnipresent, but rather he must go to places in time in order to "be there". you have it perfectly said
Not if God can be both in and out of time at the same moment. Like a mirror. Just because God enters time does not make Him subject to it. For example, when God was in the burning bush, the fire did not consume the bush. God was not subject to fire. God was not breathing on Earth even though all creatures on Earth must breath. The morning and the evening were the 1st day. Time started. I knew you before I formed you in your Mother's womb. Before your time God was there. God is the creator of time. He rules time.
@@HeavenGuy The statement "God enters time" is both incoherent and unbiblical.
@@leonardu6094 - Jesus was God in flesh in time. God formed man in the beginning, in time. Looks biblical to me.
@@HeavenGuy Strawman. Nobody denies Jesus was God in flesh or that it was a temporal act (in time). What i was addressing was the notion thet God "entered" time. The assumption in that statement is that time is somethng that is created and God was outside of it till he decided to enter it. That statement is incoherent and unbiblical.
@@leonardu6094 - The evening and the morning were the first day. Time definitely had a beginning that was created by God. Jesus clearly entered into time becoming flesh. I will let others who read this decide who is incoherent and unbiblical.
brilliant info jesse and amazing put g,bless
I use to believe in exhaustive foreknowledge, that God exists presently in past, present, and the future. In believing in such notions i committed myself to pray that the past of Nazi Germany be changed, and logically if He exists in the past as a present then the past is able to be changed.
I realized after weeks of praying like this for several different objects of those prayers that it was a waste of time. Only in a view of scripture do we see the past is solid and cannot be changed and the present is able to be molded and the future is open with many possibilities.
I appreciate you teaching this subject in the past as it showed me the heart of God presently can be affected by my current actions for the better or the worse and I can make this day a peace and rest for Him or not.
Since everything that has happened in the past is a result of GOD's eternal, perfect providential sovereign will (Romans 8:28) then it is a waste of time to pray to GOD to change those past events. Our prayers to GOD are ultimately done to change, conform and transform us into the image and likeness of Jesus Christ. Along with getting us to submit and surrender our very limited amount of GOD given freewill over to GOD's eternal, perfect providential sovereign will for our temporary, finite lives here on Earth.
@@michaelg.tucker6363 u said "our very limited amount of GOD given freewill." there are hundreds of Scriptures that prove the future is open to possibilities, contingencies, to be decided by reasonable creatures and which God in His infinite wisdom chose NOT to know its outcome. some He knows as certain and others He knows as uncertain. this is how God's omniscience and man's free will coexist. NOTE this is done by God's sovereign choice not by an imperfect limitation in His omniscience. the triune God lives in eternity and if He chooses, He can know the futurity of any event instantly. this is where I disagree with Jesse Morrell who claims God lives in time.
"And the LORD regretted that He had made man on the earth, and He was grieved in His heart." Gen. 6:6
"He said, “Do not reach out your hand against the boy, and do not do anything to him; for now I know that you fear God, since you have not withheld your son, your only son, from Me.” Gen. 22:12
“I regret that I have made Saul king, for he has turned away from following Me and has not carried out My instructions.” And Samuel was distressed and cried out to the LORD all that night." 1 Sam. 15:11
"But if that nation I warned turns from its evil, then I will relent of the disaster I had planned to bring." Jer. 18:8
"Thus says the Lord: ‘Stand in the court of the Lord’s house, and speak to all the cities of Judah, which come to worship in the Lord’s house, all the words that I command you to speak to them. Do not diminish a word. Perhaps everyone will listen and turn from his evil way, that I may relent concerning the calamity which I purpose to bring on them because of the evil of their doings." Jer. 26:2, 3
"Perhaps when the people of Judah hear about all the calamity I plan to bring upon them, each of them will turn from his wicked way. Then I will forgive their iniquity and their sin." Jer. 36:3
"As for them, whether they hear or whether they refuse-for they are a rebellious house-yet they will know that a prophet has been among them."
Ezk. 2:5
"Then the Lord said to Moses, “Behold, I will rain bread from heaven for you. And the people shall go out and gather a certain quota every day, that I may test them, whether they will walk in My law or not." Exd. 16:4
"And you shall remember that the Lord your God led you all the way these forty years in the wilderness, to humble you and test you, to know what was in your heart, whether you would keep His commandments or not." Det. 8:2
"I also will no longer drive out before them any of the nations which Joshua left when he died, 22 so that through them I may test Israel, whether they will keep the ways of the Lord, to walk in them as their fathers kept them, or not.” 23 Therefore the Lord left those nations, without driving them out immediately; nor did He deliver them into the hand of Joshua." Joshua 2:21-23
"And they were left, that He might test Israel by them, to know whether they would obey the commandments of the Lord, which He had commanded their fathers by the hand of Moses." Joshua 3:4
"Then Jesus lifted up His eyes, and seeing a great multitude coming toward Him, He said to Philip, “Where shall we buy bread, that these may eat?” But this He said to test him, for He Himself knew what He would do." John 6:5, 6
"What more could have been done to My vineyard That I have not done in it? Why then, when I expected it to bring forth good grapes, Did it bring forth wild grapes?" Isa. 5:4
"I gave you cleanness of teeth in all your cities, and lack of bread in all your places, yet you did not return to Me,” declares the LORD. I also withheld the rain from you when there were yet three months to the harvest; I would send rain on one city, and send no rain on another city; one field would have rain, and the field on which it did not rain would wither; so two or three cities would wander to another city to drink water, and would not be satisfied; yet you did not return to Me,” declares the LORD. I struck you with blight and mildew; your many gardens and your vineyards, your fig trees and your olive trees the locust devoured; yet you did not return to Me,” declares the LORD. I sent among you a pestilence after the manner of Egypt; I killed your young men with the sword, and carried away your horses, and I made the stench of your camp go up into your nostrils; yet you did not return to Me,” declares the LORD. I overthrew some of you, as when God overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah, and you were as a brand plucked out of the burning; yet you did not return to Me,” declares the LORD." Amos 4:6-11
"And a servant of the Lord must not quarrel but be gentle to all, able to teach, patient, in humility correcting those who are in opposition, if God perhaps will grant them repentance, so that they may know the truth, and that they may come to their senses and escape the snare of the devil, having been taken captive by him to do his will." 2 Tim. 2:24-26
"if the wicked turns away from all his sins that he has committed and keeps all my statutes and does what is just and right, he shall surely live; he shall not die. None of the transgressions that he has committed shall be remembered against him; for the righteousness that he has done he shall live. Do I get any pleasure in the death of the wicked, declares the Lord GOD, and not rather that he should turn from his ways and live? But when the righteous turns away from his righteousness and does injustice and does the same abominations that the wicked does, shall he live? None of the righteous deeds that he has done shall be remembered; for the treachery of which he is guilty and the sin he has committed, for them he shall die." Ezk. 18:21-24
"Repent therefore of this your wickedness, and pray God if perhaps the thought of your heart may be forgiven you." Acts 8:22
"The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance." 2 Pet. 3:9
"For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior, Who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth." 1 Tim. 2:3, 4
God bless you brother.🙏
Wow. That was great!!
You made that so easy! Thank you!
i enjoyed this type of video. do one of these once and a while, it's great :D
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Great explanation on time and theology. Please continue posting videos on open theism 🙏
Thats good, "Where did God find the time to create time?"
Excellent
Jesse where have you been? We need more videos
Beautiful place to be
I always thought that time is a system of measurement for physical finite creatures. Glad I found this video.
God is beyond our minds we can't fathom all he is in our little minds. He's God
Reminds me of time travel movie inconsistencies.
Hi Jesse, was just wondering if your going to have a bible study chanle?
Is time in eternity measured the same as our current existence, like day and night being one day?
Hello Jesse my brother, I would like to ask you a very serious question. Do you believe God's Children can lose their salvation?
God is both out of, as well as in, time. It's both.
nonsense..that's all from the mind of Plato, not the God of the bible...
I do think he created time as we know it... regular material clock like time.
We don't know what internal time without external corespondance would be like... as non material thoughts have no brain-time rooted in material dependancy (speed of thought). WLC posits that, instead of B theory of time (atemporality) God is prior to sequential time before creation because there are no events yet, but logically you still need a sequence... in any sort of propositional thinking, like deciding, there is clearly a before and after, but for God there's nothing to demand this process coresponds to OUR time line. Some think this is like a perpendicular time line, and there can be any number of these intersecting WITH our time line... "God Time". It's not a temporal, it just looks that way relativistically.
But regardless I fully agree that ALL scripture that describes God's actions SHOWS God is in time. Things just get dicy when you imagine a completely pre-creation state where God's thoughts, nature and ability have no reference points outside himself.
This isn't a defense of b theory, or genuine timelessness as is imagined in classical theology. But to create any limited thing that can change, outside himself, then "time" in a conventional sense, then starts to exist. Obviously internal sequence exists in God in SOME sense, but duration requires material or procedural limits ducted by external or finite objects.
Duration= an AMOUNT of time. It requires comparison, and is dictated by "how long it takes". Once atoms exist then it TAKES x amount of time to do z with it in y situation.
Once you've got a recipe and ingredients and an oven, then you put it on 350 for 3 hours. Hence the 6 days of creation.
But except this specific expecting I fully agree.
They would argue simply using the word "before" time indicates time before time. There is another explanation though. We only understand things in time. Those words are used for our comprehension, no as a containment vessel.
Acts 15:18 Known unto God are all his works from the beginning of the world.
Revelation 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
Acts 15:18 should not be taken out of context. Here, the book of Acts was saying God knows all the works of the Gentiles from the beginning of the world, which makes sense. He knows everything about every body from the moment we are born. He knows everything we say and do.
In Revelations 13:8 I believe it is simply stating that those who were never written in the Lamb's book of life, will be worshiping Satan. We are told by Jesus that some seeds (people) were sown in as tares and not wheat. So that means the devil has sown his own seed. Those evil people will be worshiping Satan during Tribulations. They came from Satan and belong to Satan and will worship Satan and never were written in the Lamb's book of life.
Spot on. TIme is a metric of existence. Existence is a continuum we call eternity because it never started nor ends, ergo is not a portion which can be measured by a clock. I have been writing now for one minute. That is what the metric we call time is, a means of measuring a segment of the continuum of existence. It is not something you are "in" or "out of any more than you are "In" a meter or yard, or out of a meter or yard. They are metrics applied to dimensions. Dimensions are ONLY attributes of things. Height, length, width, time period, mass, or in gravity, weight, etc.
I've always been an open theist but it wasn't until I started watching jesse that I felt I could effectively defend open theism to my calvinist friends
So how do explain prophesy in the Bible?
yussssssssssss, somebody is paying attention
can you explain how you can use heaven as a reference point for eternity when heaven was created so it had a beginning?
Brilliant! I love every bit of this! It's almost exactly the same thing I have been thinking since when I read the bible cover to cover in 2012, and also learned about the heretical introduction of Neo-platonic thinking (though at that time I did not realize Augustine's role, but have since learned of many reasons to distrust his words (Hermetic doctrines, etc.). I would say one thing could / should be taken further than how you have stated it... that *God is time* , just as "God is love", and God is the way, the truth, and the life; and He is the word and He is also the light. So I suspect... rather than: "Time, a conscious attribute of being", "Time, a revealed attribute of God", like love. (Could be wrong, but there it is!) Love isn't "a thing" either. Yet HE IS love. "He IS" everlasting to everlasting. "He IS" THE beginning and the end. "In" the beginning, God...(not before the beginning God) _ie._ God in God(the beginning)] - "I am in the father and the father is in me". NOT "before the beginning was, I am"; BUT "**I AM** THE (everlasting) BEGINNING [to everlasting end]". We see the relatedness of time to consciousness in the sense that time appears to change speed. As we age, time gets faster. We can be having fun, and... "time flies!" Our sense of time is relative. It can slow down dramatically when our life is threatened, and it can seem to stop under the use of chemical substances (been there). And there is a physical explanation for all of this, yet we experience these as time. Just like there is a physical explanation for the wave forms of light, but we experience these as color. This is the Majesty of God, that we are more than the sum of our parts. All this to say... time is merely our perspective on change; and that Einstein should have more often put down his calculator and picked up the holy bible. 😂
I like you videos. They have a good tone to them, and nice explanations.
Regarding the atonement rabbit hole, not disagreeing with the idea that the Bible doesn’t teach that Christ paid our debt, but with the argument presented that if He did, then no one would be lost. The flaw here is that people are not lost because of something arbitrary or technical, like a debt not being paid, but because of unbelief. Many scripture texts are very clear about this, the most famous probably being the John 3:16 passage, where Jesus said He did not come to condemn the world, but that it might be saved, and the condemnation that comes upon the lost is because they did not believe. He couldn’t have been more clear.
He goes on to say that they will not come to the light, because their deeds are evil, which gets to the real issue here, which is that the lost are not reconciled to God - they don’t love Him, nor even like Him. They want nothing to do with Hum, so God gives them over (Romans 1) to their own choice, because what would the alternative be? God forcing them against their will to do something they don’t want to do?
This is why the Gospel is an invitation. All who will may come. Those who reject the invitation are lost, because they remain as they were, unconverted, not loving God nor wanting anything to do with Him. Heaven would be absolute misery, hell even, for them.
In the beginning God created...Gen. 1:1 Before the creative acts mentioned in this chapter all was Eternity. Time signifies duration measured by the revolutions of the heavenly bodies: but prior to the creation of these bodies there could be no measurement of duration, and consequently no time; therefore in the beginning must necessarily mean the commencement of time which followed, or rather was produced by God's creative acts as an effect follows or is produced by a cause.
How do explain God not having a beginning and then at a certain time he created the world. Hard to understand
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Time is only a measurement of action...
God knows in advance because He makes it happen. Isaiah 46 : 9-11 9 Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me,
10 Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, ****My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:***
11 Calling a ravenous bird from the east, the man that executeth my counsel from a far country: yea,**** I have spoken it, I will also bring it to pass; I have purposed it, I will also do it.****
yes
I might be an open theology believer
I just read a warning from Josef Urban, calling you a heretic. He states that you said God does not know the future. However, from what I've seen on your channel. You don't state that, but state that God knows and allows us to make our own choices. That can take multiple forms and ways. I guess open theism is his biggest concern.
He is teaching God doesn't know the future because the future is a non existent idea that cannot be known. God is in time and therefore cannot see beyond the present moment. It may be more accurate to understand prophesy as God declaring the future not revealing the future.
@@tyronedawson8553 “Before I formed you in the womb I knew you; Before you were born I sanctified you; I ordained you a prophet to the nations.” Jer 1:5.
Yeah, God’s probably semi-niscient. Brilliant trend, this.
We live in a four dimensional SpaceTime continuum. Heaven is a higher continuum as there are more dimensions and a greater color spectrum. Everything is moving much faster so there is less time decay. Time exists as a constant. In heaven There is no awareness of moments of time passing. Existence is eternal. I suppose when one thousand earth years pass, it only seems like a day in heaven.
(2 Peter 3:8)
Brother Jesse!!! Thank you so much, I loved this and have been waiting for more bible studies with you. Please make one about Judas next!
I would assume the author of ALL creation can do and or use time however HE wishes…
My only concern about time is there never is enough and every second we waste is another soul headed to a blackness that literally scared the hell out of me!😁
And it’s TIME we recognize that to not reach everyone we can with the truth is the biggest form of hate you can possibly show your neighbor
You are a very contentious thinker and I bless you for that.
Heb. 1:2 is a strong argument that God created time, hence He existed in eternity prior to time. think about it. "For thus says the High and Lofty One Who inhabits eternity, whose name is Holy: “I dwell in the high and holy place, With him who has a contrite and humble spirit, To revive the spirit of the humble, And to revive the heart of the contrite ones." Isa. 57:15
How does that imply god is timeless?
@@Miskeen-33 Jesse's version of open theism is that God did not create time because He always lived in time. he believes eternity is endless time. I disagree with him on that. I believe eternity is outside of time. I believe God created time, matter and space in the same moment. Gen. 1:1
@@enriquemoure2739 oh Alright
As it says on my bumper sticker, "If the future's all foreknown, then it's also set in stone."
hi brother, so im confused, so who made time?
If God was a subject of time, something would be above him. God also could not be omnipresent if contained by time. Also, God stopped time for an hour in the OT. How could God be ruler over what rules Him?
come on jesse preach again dude u need to stop hiding with this covid thing man u need to get back out there man God needs you amen.
LV the discussion of Time and God! 1.) God EXPERIENCES TIME differently than humans (for Him 1000 years are as a day and a day as 1000 years, for instance!) 2. ) God is everywhere at the same time, meaning He is NOT RESTRICTED by Time limits the way humans are. 3.) Einstein showed us the Time/Space Curve.... Time is a 'matter' of some sort and a DIMENSION. Similarly to Light which is a matter/aka particles and is NOT just an EXPERIENCE! 4.) We EXPerience life through TIME, but Time is not an EXPERIENCE per se. Likewise, we experience the world around us through Matter. But Matter is not tied to Experience. 5.) The notion that TIME only exists as or is bound up with EXPERIENCE is a KANTIAN view: see Kant's discussion of the Venus of Milo. Only via the EXPERIENCE/perception of man does the Venus of Milo become or exist as the Venus of Milo. In absentia of human experience it simply does not exist. That is Kant's view. So yes God CREATED Time the way He created Matter. And, He ties our human experience to both TIme and Space/Matter. But Time is not tied to or equivalent to Experience; neither God's experience nor humankind's experience. No more than Matter is tied to or only exists in Experience. Both Time and Matter exist OUTSIDE of Experience though we do experience the world through Time and Matter. The opposite of Kant's view.
you are correct. "In the beginning God created..." Gen. 1:1 Before the creative acts mentioned in this chapter all was Eternity. time signifies duration measured by the revolutions of the heavenly bodies: but prior to the creation of these bodies there could be no measurement of duration, and consequently no time; therefore in the beginning must necessarily mean the commencement of time which followed, or rather was produced by God's creative acts, as an effect follows or is produced by a cause.
We don't understand what non time is! Time has a beginning and end. There is no doubt that time as we know it started when God said let there be light! And the evening and the morning was the first day! But we know the earth itself is much older than the creation. Jesus said some very interesting things relating to time or non time. I saw Satan fall as lightening! Another, He said the son of man is in heaven. Rev, tell us time will be no more! We know the secrets of God are hidden from man.
Why do you think that heaven is God's abode when Solomon says that the heaven of heavens cannot contain him?
You are limiting God to the physics He created for us to exist within. Anthrpomorphisms are used continually in the bible so we can relate to what's being presented.
God may experience sequence in His existence in some way none of us will ever understand, that doesn't mean he is not outside our timeline. Just because He knows what is going to happen, does not mean He caused it or that the future is fixed and unchangeable. He just already knows what changes will be made. If He is not outside of our time, how does He know the future? Which is throughout the bible. And we know this from fulfilled prophesy. And why would you trust Revelation which is all future tense? In fact He even uses that as a proof of Himself as God saying who else knows the end from the
beginning.
Actually, Jesse, you are conflating time based on internal relations (genetic time) with time based on external relations (as in the case of a clock) which is measurable time. God creates both kinds of time. He creates genetic time through the process of creating. He created days, months, and seasons on the fourth day of creation by creating the sun, moon, and stars for measured time. Yes, time is a creation even if it serves to order relations both internal and external.
Well stated.
God created the laws that determine how time is measured. Space and time is relative. Large celestial bodies with great mass and gravitational pull can slow time and bend light. And if angels are light beings existing in a higher dimension where everything is moving at the speed of light, then there must be time decay, so clocks would turn over much slower. The heavens must be subject to time because they wear old as a garment, so God is continually creating new heavens...
I don't know guys. It is agreed by a lot of scientists that their are some fundamental flaws to our understanding of time. Some concluding that it is simply an illusion. It makes intuitive sense that time may be an attribute of being like consciousness is an attribute of being.
Rom 3:9 What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin;
Rom 3:10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
Rom 3:11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.
Rom 3:12 They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.
God created Kronos time, but Kairos time (eternity) has always been, just as God has.
If He didn't create Time bc:"... where did he get the Time from to create it?" LOL, (one of the fallacy questions like can God create a situation He cannot control? A trick question designed to trip up God's All-powerful attributes)... If you follow that same 'logic' then where did God get the SPACE from to Create Space? It's a mute point! God Created Space and Matter. AND, God Created Time. He created Space out of No Space, He Created Matter out of No Matter and He Created Time (drumroll!:) out of No Time. Some of us cannot comprehend that bc the human existence is suspended inside Space, Matter and TIme. God's existence is not.
throwing out the torah calls yeshua a sinner and thus nullifies the new testament
yeshua was pro torah romans 3:31 matthew 5 matthew 23
Jesus, not "yeshua". you are using a demonically created name which is part of the hebrew roots movement. Not one manuscript calls him that. If God wanted us to know His Son's name correctly according to you, He surely would have put "yeshua" somewhere. Cut it out with that nonsense.
@@bigdogboos1 It's not "demonically created" since that's the pronunciation in Hebrew, but you're right that it's nonsense to say it, especially for a Gentile, as if it were more accurate than Jesus.
@@DrGeorgeAntonios especially for a gentile? What in the world? there is neither Jew nor Greek anymore, only Christ. way to do exactly what scripture says not to do by dividing people
@@bigdogboos1 Spiritually, in Christ, yes; but not in the flesh. Paul sometimes addresses believers as "Gentiles" in reference to their earthly identity. Relax friend.
If you believe that we will continually eat from the tree of life, how can you possibly say that the dammed will live forever and hell? They have never been permitted to eat from the tree of life even once. You are very knowledgeable, but you need to look at the biblical description of eternal existence, and it only applies to the righteous.
we haven't and aren't going to "eat from that tree" as Christians either, but we will live forever.
@@bigdogboos1 Well, the Bible certainly implies we will eat from the tree of life in heaven (Revelation). Cite your Bible verses that say we will never eat from the tree of life; I bet you can't. We are trying to have a biblical conversation here, not throw around baseless opinions.
You are correct that the righteous will live forever, but the Bible never says the wicked will--at least not in the Greek (hint: aion means age, a finite period of time). This is the main point of this conversation.
you deleted my critique even though I am an open theist. the only disagreement we have is that I believe God lives in eternity and He created time with space and matter. Gen. 1:1 your position is that God can NEVER know the futuristic contingency of a human's decision IF He desires to do so. my position is that He chooses to limit His absolute attribute of omniscience. your position is that He is limited by the fact that He lives in time and is unable to know the future even if He wanted to. many brothers mighty in the Scriptures have noticed this blasphemous fallacy in your theology. I advice you to reconsider.
There’s chronology or duration in heaven but there’s no clocks! it’s eternal yet there is still chronology, get the Book Harpazo by Jacob Prasch !
God creates time in the first verse of the Bible “ in the beginning” ..time is not in anyway equal to God and thereby infinite like God! several verses say he’s from everlasting to everlasting and he’s the Alpha and the Omega, that means he exists outside of time REGARDLESS OF TIME! he was never born and he’ll never die, so this concept of time is the actuality of time is equal to God himself! it’s a created essence of God there’s no verse to back up what you’re saying, that it’s equivalent to God!
This is a winky Pratney teaching isn’t it!
This is where you go to the Greek and Hebrew and Jacob Prasch breaks this down, or RUclips it!
I disagree about the nature of God.
Time, Space, Matter even spirits are created by God, though God's Holy Spirit was not created.
The place where God relates to His creation has time, space matter and so forth. We are all created so we work within that framework.
God is unique. God is not limited by the creation.
Though God is limited by His nature, that is why He is not infinite in essence. Infinite is boundless. God is all about boundaries and He Himself is bonded by His nature.
But I agree God has an eternal essence like love.
This essence is outside of creation in Him for He consists of three persons or entities.
Eternal is not a Quantity like infinite time but is a Quality.
We are promised Eternal Life but this is a quality of life not infinite time.
If it was infinite time we would be before creation and after creation. We would be God, which we are not.
where does it say he created time in the bible?
@@bigdogboos1"has in these last days spoken to us by His Son, whom He has appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the ages" Heb. 1:2
@@bigdogboos1 In the beginning God created...Gen. 1:1 Before the creative acts mentioned in this chapter all was Eternity. Time signifies duration measured by the revolutions of the heavenly bodies: but prior to the creation of these bodies there could be no measurement of duration, and consequently no time; therefore in the beginning must necessarily mean the commencement of time which followed, or rather was produced by God's creative acts as an effect follows or is produced by a cause.
This guy is delusional. God is all knowing all powerful. He knows all of space and all of time. If he didn't he's not even a the most high but some lesser god. Now christ in the flesh didn't know everything until he died and rose again and is now the living body of the most high God.
So God created the solar system to help us measure the time which was already in existence.
the earth is flat. but also, the heavens were created for time references for us, not for him.
Shem E on a resh.(Spelling).In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. Genesis 1:1 GOD created the heavens and the Earth. S.T.E.M. Space Time Energy Matter.
how do you come to that conclusion? Its not biblical, and does not harmonize with the FULL WEIGHT OF SCRIPTURE...No verse is of any private interpretation said Peter..space and time are not created things, they are simply measurements
@@bonniejohnson1518 I would prefer that you ask your husband or pray about it.
That's quite a magical void you have in your theology.
The God of the Bible is the same God before the bible was written. Before were the cannanites with many Gods then the idea of one God was floating around such as Zoroaster and some other few dudes outhere with the same idea of one God. Quit being mind lazy and do some research. There is more outhere what meets the eye.
You called the survival study, but it's really a study of your own philosophical meanderings. You incorporate many philosophical definitions that are not based in scripture and then impose them on scripture. I'm sorry but you're a heretic.
I saw your debate against the Calvinists and the idea of an impassable God, and you are right there, but you are not solving the problem with scripture alone. You're just going to another branch of philosophy.
You miss many basic scriptural points. Heaven is not eternity. Also, if God is the beginning, and he created the world in the beginning, then he created the world in himself. That world already had to heavens before he separated the waters to create a third heaven. So simple.
So time began when God created the world, and since God created the world out of nothing, there is no reason to determine that a sequence was necessary for him to create it. His creating it was the beginning of sequence.
Jesse stop protesting the true Church Christ made
Even of he stopped protesting, millions of us would continue to protest.
PS:. God did not create it, Satan did.
@@beverlycrowell_ lair satan get behind me
@@Catholic01
TRUTH, like it or not.
@@beverlycrowell_ LOL im a ex Protestant who used to watch Jesse protestantism wasn't even made until the 1500 buddy look into the first thousand and 500 years of Christianity that took martin luther is a lair Jesus said his church will not go astray in scripture so you're calling Jesus a liar
@@Catholic01
Because we protest the Babylonian church does not mean we follow Luther.
BTW, the Babylonian church was not created until almost 400 AD.
I doubt you were ever a true disciple of Jesus.
Good! TIME to apply reason to do away with the antichrist, Christ is God lie. The Father is God and creator. No one else is the one God, not even his Son.
The Father is God.
John 4:23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
Believing Christ is God is not believing he is the Son of God. It denies both God and his Son.
It takes 5 mins to refute this with scripture. Ever heard of John 3:16? Ever read 1 and 2 John? Or Revelation? To deny the deity of Christ is to evince the spirit of the antichrist.
“I and the Father are one.” John 10:30.
the INSPIRED writers of the NT applied to Jesus OT passages that spoke of YHWH
# 1- Isaiah 40:3-5 applied to Jesus in Matt. 3:3-6; Mark 1:2-4; Luke 1:76; 3:2-6; John 1:22, 23
# 2- Isaiah 6:1-10 applied to Jesus in John 12:36-42
# 3-Isaiah 45:22-25 applied to Jesus in Ph. 2:10
# 4-Zech/ 12:8-10 applied to Jesus in John 19:34-37
# 5-Psalm 24:7-10 applied to Jesus in 1 Cor. 2:7, 8
# 6-Joel 2:32 applied to Jesus in Rom. 10:13
# 7-Psalm 34:8 applied to Jesus in 1 Pet. 2:3, 4
# 8- Malachi 4:5, 6 applied to Jesus in Luke 1:16, 17
# 9-Isaiah 44:6; 48:12 applied by Jesus to Himself and recorded by John in Rev. 1:17, 18; 2:8; 22:12-16. Besides all this evidence, John used Genesis 1:1 creation terminology when he referred to Jesus in John 1:1-3. The apostle Paul did the same in Col. 1:15-17. So did the writer of Hebrews in Heb. 1:2, 3. And in Heb. 1:10-12, he quoted Psalm 102:25-27 WORD FOR WORD, which vividly describes God in His Creator and Eternal attributes and applied it to Jesus.
"And: “You, Lord, in the beginning laid the foundation of the earth, And the heavens are the work of Your hands. They will perish, but You remain; And they will all grow old like a garment; Like a cloak You will fold them up, And they will be changed. But You are the same, And Your years will not fail.”
is very easy to prove the pre existence of Jesus before Bethlehem.
"And now, O Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was." John 17:5
"What then if you should see the Son of Man ascend where He was before?" John 6:62
"No one has ascended to heaven, but He who descended from heaven: the Son of Man." John 3:13
"For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me." John 6:38
"Then the Jews said to Him, “You are not yet fifty years old, and have You seen Abraham?” Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I AM.” John 8:57, 58
"Then Jesus answered and said, while He taught in the temple, “How is it that the scribes say that the Christ is the Son of David? For David himself said by the Holy Spirit:
‘The Lord said to my Lord, “Sit at My right hand, Till I make Your enemies Your footstool.” ’Therefore if David himself calls Him ‘Lord’; how is He then his Son?” Mark 12:35-37
"But although He had done so many signs before them, they did not believe in Him, that the word of Isaiah the prophet might be fulfilled, which he spoke:
“Lord, who has believed our report? And to whom has the arm of the Lord been revealed?” (Isa. 53:1) Therefore they could not believe, because Isaiah said again: “He has blinded their eyes and hardened their hearts, Lest they should see with their eyes, Lest they should understand with their hearts and turn, So that I should heal them.” These things Isaiah said when he saw His glory and spoke of Him." John 12:37-41
this is when Isaiah saw the glory of Jesus:
"In the year that King Uzziah died, I saw the Lord sitting on a throne, high and lifted up, and the train of His robe filled the temple. Above it stood seraphim; each one had six wings: with two he covered his face, with two he covered his feet, and with two he flew. And one cried to another and said:
“Holy, holy, holy is the Lord of hosts; The whole earth is full of His glory!” Isa. 6:1-3
Paul's Jesus is the Lord of glory. "But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, the hidden wisdom which God ordained before the ages for our glory, which none of the rulers of this age knew; for had they known, they would not have crucified the LORD OF GLORY." 2 Cor. 2:7, 8
which is an allusion to Psalm 24, "Who is this King of glory?
The Lord/YHWH of hosts, He is the King of glory. Selah" v.10
Paul believed Jesus was God. a truth you deny, heretic. this is the Jesus of the Bible, my Jesus, Paul's Jesus:
"Therefore take heed to yourselves and to all the flock, among which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to shepherd the church of God which He purchased with His own blood." Acts 20:28
"of whom are the fathers and from whom, according to the flesh, Christ came, who is over all, the eternally blessed God. Amen." Rom. 9:5
"Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus, who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God," Ph. 2:5, 6
"For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him. And He is before all things, and in Him all things consist." Col. 1:16, 17
"For in Him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form." Col. 2:9
"And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness:
God was manifested in the flesh, Justified in the Spirit, Seen by angels, Preached among the Gentiles, Believed on in the world, Received up in glory." 1 Tim. 3:16
"looking for the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ," Titus 2:13
Jesus said He existed before Abraham, John 8:56-58
Jesus said He existed before king David, Mark 12:35-37
Jesus said He was in heaven before coming to earth, John 3:13; 6:38, 62
Jesus said He and the Father lived in glory before the world existed, John 17:5 hence Paul called him the Lord of glory, 1 Cor. 2:8
Jesus said He had the same power as the Father to resurrect the dead. He demanded to be given the same honor given to God, John 5:18-23
NOTE only God can resurrect the dead.
Jesus implied equality with God, John 10:30 the Jews understood exactly what He meant, "The Jews answered Him, saying, “For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy, and because You, being a Man, make Yourself God.” John 10:33
Jesus was crucified for blasphemy, for saying He was equal with God. this is what Son of God/Son of Man, sitting at the right hand of God etc etc meant to the Jews, Mark 14:61-64; John 19:7
Jesus said He was Lord of the Sabbath, Matt. 12:8
Jesus said He was omnipresent.
"For where two or three are gathered together in My name, I am there in the midst of them.” Matt. 18:20
NOTE None but God could say these words with truth, because God alone is every where present, and these words refer to His omnipresence. Wherever millions of assemblies are gathered in the same moment, in different places, (which is a very possible case), this promise states that Jesus is in each of them. Can anyone say these words, except God Who fills both heaven and earth? Paul agrees with this, "To the church of God which is at Corinth, to those who are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called saints, with all who in every place call on the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both theirs and ours:" 1 Cor. 1:2
"He who descended is also the One who ascended far above all the heavens, that He might fill all things." Eph. 4:10
when Thomas called Him God, John 20:28, Jesus did not correct him. as a matter of fact, Jesus did the opposite: encouraged Thomas, "Thomas, because you have seen Me, you have believed. Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.” John 20:21
Jesus had complete authority over His creation, when He rebuked the storm it instantly obeyed Him, Mark 4:39-41
when the soldiers sent from the Pharisees came with Judas to arrest the Lord, He let them first know Who they were arresting, "Whom are you seeking?”
They answered Him, “Jesus of Nazareth.” Jesus said to them, “I AM” And Judas, who betrayed Him, also stood with them. Now when He said to them, “I AM,” they drew back and FELL TO THE GROUND." John 18:4-6 the power of God in His Voice.
Jesus forgave sins. an attribute only God possesses. absolute attributes such as eternal existence, omnipotence, omniscience, the ability to create, to speak matter into existence, to forgive sins...can not be delegated.
the Jews knew only God could forgive sins, "And the scribes and the Pharisees began to reason, saying, “Who is this who speaks blasphemies? Who can forgive sins but God alone?” Luke 5:21
Separate El/Elohim from Jehovah/Yahweh.
No. They’re the same
Elohim is a title. Yahweh is his proper/personal name as he himself declares throughout scripture. Isaiah 42:8.
@@jamesestrella5911 yahweh is not a biblical name. it is made up in modern times. the tetragrammaton when sounded out gives us Jehovah. This yahweh stuff is demonic and is does not come from the word of God.