Guys your dealership building looks legit! Lighting is great for videos and the pallet wall also looks great on camera. I know it was a ton of work but you transformed that skanky building into a great space.
After I got my 488, I never looked back. Then I got my F8. What I think I like about the F8 is that it has some of likeable attributes of the 458, as in it does feel a bit more like a sports car. The steering of the F8 is a bit more darty again, and the car itself feels more solid. But the 488 is still a great car, and to be fair a much better car than the 458. If I was in a situation where I could choose between a 458 and 488, but let's say that the 488 was a bit of a stretch, I'd probably find a Scud instead. For me the 488 is starting to age well, but I'm genuinely not sure I can say the same for the 458. To me it's a car that is in a tough spot. It does not have the speed of the modern cars, and it does not quite have the quality feel of them either. On the flipside, it does not have the wild nature of a Scud or regular 430. I prefer the 488 design overall, The "smile" of the 458 always looked a bit like a "simpleton" to me. To each their own I suppose. As a driving enthusiast first and car enthusiast second, there will never be a shadow of a doubt as to what I'd pick - the 488 over the 458 any day.
I have a 458 and have driven the 488. The 488 I feel is too fast for the street and the speed is where the excitement is. The 458 can be enjoyed at any speed because of the insane sound. What people don't get is the sounds the 458 makes at lower speeds is so good! Quarter throttle off the line to 5000k is a sound that most newer cars just don't have. I also have a Kline exhaust.
So many people discredited the 488 that the first time I rented one I wasn't expecting much. The one I rented was stock and I was blown away. I would take the 488 over the 458 any day and twice on Sunday.
I did a photo shop, where I put my Novitec black yellow wheels on the cars. They both look awesome ! I like the sound of the 458 better, plus it has the yellow stiching. It was cool to meet you guys at Mecum.
458 wins, it’s a flat out more fun, more “Ferrari” car The 488 sounds like every other turbo sports car In fact the one you drove sounds exactly like the BMW Alpina I had The fact that the price delta between the 458 and 488 is less and less tells you all you need to know
I had a 488 with exhaust and tune and i traded for a 458 with ipe and tune i will never look back. 458 gives you something the 488 doesn't, superior emotion on every shift and is fast anyway to give you smiles every time you floor it
What an incredible feeling that must be. I took my kids when they were young to the Ferrari Dealership in San Antonio. I know they will never forget that day. Great Work on the Garage too. The floors came out really nice. Good Job Brandon and his crew !!!
If its not already, I think the 458 may be regarded as one of the best Ferarris ever made. Sure, there are quicker and faster ones but the styling, sound, and overall experience of the 458 is hard to top especially with that exaust. Cars are so fast now but they have "no soul" if thats even possible.
I think that idea is starting to taper off - at least here in Europe. And honestly, if one has driven multiple Ferraris, old and new, there are several, as in quite a few, that are much better and more engaging.
I looked at both the 458 and the 488. I bought the 458. Naturally aspirated power you can use. Soooo much fun. No brainer for me once I drove them both. The 488 is clearly faster but you just can’t use all that power on the street regularly. The 458 looks better and clearly sounds better. And the 458 will go down in history as one of the most fun naturally aspirated cars ever made. I bought mine in December 21 and have put over 10k miles on it smiling all the time!
I think Josh did a great job pointing out each cars differences. The only thing that would've made this review epic is appropriate costumes. If you're going to review 2 amazing Batmobile's, you gotta go all in. So which one will be Bruce, and who"s gonna be Robin?🤔
I test drove a 488 once. It felt like I had unlimited power under my foot. It's stupid fast and makes you forget that it doesn't sound as good as a 458. I'd still pick the 458 because of the sound and the fact that it's plenty fast.
I would take the 488 if it wasn't for the way the front looks. I know some will hate me saying this, but if I'm being honest, i would put the challenge front fascia on it from 2016, that looks like the standard car with a few extra organic lines.
Only because the F8 was mentioned, I would actually take an F8, besides the overall looks, three sound which I think is slightly better than the 488, it also has the signature Ferrari look of 4 taillights.
@@normalguysupercar Discs as in rotors. Pads are totally different. The 458 uses the old style open back Brembo caliper that is found on Corvettes and many other cars. When I got my CCST rotors from Surface Transforms for my 488, I was the "test pilot". Same sizes etc. After taking some measurements, they sent me a set of 458 rotors to test fit. Front was the exact same, rears were too. I just unbolted the inner drum. Rather than sending them back and wait three months I just stuck with what I had. Now they offer the rears without the holes in the hat for the drum. The Speciale actually use the same brake setup as the 488 with the billet closed back calipers. Also the Pista and 488 can run the same rotors too. Only difference is that the Pista runs a 38 mm thick rotor vs. 36 mm, but they are interchangeable. So if you ever want to get a set of front rotors for a 488 that has a bit better heat management, but that are OEM, just order Pista rotors. Fun fact. The 812 SF/GTS, TdF and Pista share brakes too🙂
I have a 458, black very similar spec to y’all’s, I have been thinking about trading/selling and getting a 488/f8. If I had all the money….I’d keep the 458, but if I want to change it’s gotta go.
I can't put my finger on why, but I think maybe I like the sound of the 488 more. I notice the 458 has a roar to it, and the 488 has like a very angry growl to it that I like.
@@normalguysupercar it's strange. When I saw the first teaser to the 458 with just the noise, and a brief view from the driver seat, that sound I heard was what made me fall in love with the 458, but these days I haven't heard anything that sounds the same from 458 videos today. But maybe that's just my how microphones catch sounds from machinery?
It's a very different experience. What I found when I swapped my 458 for a 488, was that I got a sound that I felt was more alive and natural. To me the 458 was not that great from the perspective of complexity. Loud yes, but also monotone in a way. When I got the 488, I got a car that I felt that I could hear breathing and working around me. So many little nuances and details in the sound which I instantly fell for. I love cars like the Lusso, 812 and so on for the same reason. You can hear the engine doing its thing. Depending on the throttle blade position, you can hear how the car switches between intake runner length, how the air is pulled in etc. I never got that from the 458, it was just "a noise".
I think I'm still strongly in the 488 column and I think it's because of the shocking acceleration with a turbo car... i mean i love my F12 but it just doesn't have that kick you in the head acceleration of a turbo car
I think Ferrari missed the mark on the 488, they had a tough act to follow and seemed they needed more time at the drawing board to fine tune it as this was their first production run turbo car. The 488 owners are quick to upgrade to something else and the 458 owners (me included) have a hard time letting go. I love the performance of the 488 but if I was going turbo I don't think the 488 would be on my short list.
That is what some say should have been the next car after the 458. I havn't ridin in one so I don't have an opinion on F8. The styling on the F8 just doesn't get me that excited, it seems a little soft compared to the Pista. I really wish they stayed the course with Pininfarina designing their cars.@@normalguysupercar
Hey quick 812 Comp question. Do you know where the prices of those are in the US at this point? Now the coupé versions are starting to trade between 2 and 2.4 mill € here in Europe. Also, do you think the SF90XX Spider with it's limited number will be a fairly big success on the used market? People definitely seem to be really into the design.
My dream car the 458 black on black but I'll take the 488 GTB in black on black. Hopefully, I do good in crpyto and buy one. Also, what exhaust is on the 488 GTB?
just opinions...488 just doesnt look right. It's kinda like the gen2 r8, something's off from perfection and never look as good as the gen1..i would skip and get the pista coz that one looks right from the moment it's released. F8 looks nicer than 488 but not quite close to the 458. Cars are all too fast anyways...with ferrari u gotta like to look at it first of all. Even the speciale added some aggression and aeros but arguably not any better looking than the original
Y'all should be proud of Your dealership! It looks very very nice... If I didn't live 1000 miles away in North Scottsdale 🏜🌞 I would pay the place a visit.
458. That NA is historical.
It's pretty epic
Dan: "Do that again." Josh: "I'm going to!" Easily the best quote of the year.
Lol!
I love the sound of the 458, but the performance of the 488 is tempting.
Exactly
Guys your dealership building looks legit! Lighting is great for videos and the pallet wall also looks great on camera. I know it was a ton of work but you transformed that skanky building into a great space.
Thanks so much!
After I got my 488, I never looked back. Then I got my F8. What I think I like about the F8 is that it has some of likeable attributes of the 458, as in it does feel a bit more like a sports car. The steering of the F8 is a bit more darty again, and the car itself feels more solid.
But the 488 is still a great car, and to be fair a much better car than the 458.
If I was in a situation where I could choose between a 458 and 488, but let's say that the 488 was a bit of a stretch, I'd probably find a Scud instead.
For me the 488 is starting to age well, but I'm genuinely not sure I can say the same for the 458. To me it's a car that is in a tough spot. It does not have the speed of the modern cars, and it does not quite have the quality feel of them either. On the flipside, it does not have the wild nature of a Scud or regular 430. I prefer the 488 design overall, The "smile" of the 458 always looked a bit like a "simpleton" to me.
To each their own I suppose. As a driving enthusiast first and car enthusiast second, there will never be a shadow of a doubt as to what I'd pick - the 488 over the 458 any day.
I will say that I would probably take a Scud over either as well
I like the sound of the 458 I am over 50 years old but that sound when it was going by and being filmed from the outside sounded absolutely incredible
It's pretty amazing sounding
I have a 458 and have driven the 488. The 488 I feel is too fast for the street and the speed is where the excitement is. The 458 can be enjoyed at any speed because of the insane sound. What people don't get is the sounds the 458 makes at lower speeds is so good! Quarter throttle off the line to 5000k is a sound that most newer cars just don't have. I also have a Kline exhaust.
That's very true. And good point about the sound at any speed
So many people discredited the 488 that the first time I rented one I wasn't expecting much. The one I rented was stock and I was blown away. I would take the 488 over the 458 any day and twice on Sunday.
Yeah
Love the 458, but the whistle of the turbos in the 488 is awesome!
Yeah it's hard not to enjoy that
458 sounded much better.... higher screams....I'm old school, naturally aspirated is the way to go.... dealership looks fantastic !!! Great work !!!
Indeed
Thanks for the video, and for going through the mods. Honestly, half of the mods are things I would want to be undone as a condition of purchase.
Well there's different things for different people.
I did a photo shop, where I put my Novitec black yellow wheels on the cars. They both look awesome ! I like the sound of the 458 better, plus it has the yellow stiching. It was cool to meet you guys at Mecum.
Pleasure meeting you as well!
Love that 458!, great vid 👍🇮🇪
Thanks 👍
Good stuff boys. Dealership is looking pro for sure! That 458 sounds NASTY! Nice review.
Appreciate it!!
The 458 sound! ❤
Oh yes
Great to see Josh taking a role in the videos. He looks like he is having a good time....
Oh I think so
458 wins, it’s a flat out more fun, more “Ferrari” car
The 488 sounds like every other turbo sports car
In fact the one you drove sounds exactly like the BMW Alpina I had
The fact that the price delta between the 458 and 488 is less and less tells you all you need to know
I suppose that's true
"Fun" depends on what you want. As a drivers car, the 488 is the more rewarding of the two. The 458 is more about instant gratification.
It's impossible not to smile when you're driving one of these cars
True!
9k is where its at! 🔥
Oh yeah that's the stuff of eargasms
wow Dan you have come so far from when i started watching congrats all your hard work paying off
Thanks 👍 It's been a wild ride lol
I had a 488 with exhaust and tune and i traded for a 458 with ipe and tune i will never look back. 458 gives you something the 488 doesn't, superior emotion on every shift and is fast anyway to give you smiles every time you floor it
Indeed
IMO the 488 is a much sexier looking car.
I agree
What an incredible feeling that must be. I took my kids when they were young to the Ferrari Dealership in San Antonio. I know they will never forget that day.
Great Work on the Garage too. The floors came out really nice. Good Job Brandon and his crew !!!
Yes indeed! The shop is really coming along
If its not already, I think the 458 may be regarded as one of the best Ferarris ever made. Sure, there are quicker and faster ones but the styling, sound, and overall experience of the 458 is hard to top especially with that exaust. Cars are so fast now but they have "no soul" if thats even possible.
There's no doubt it's frequently considered the best Ferrari ever made
I think that idea is starting to taper off - at least here in Europe.
And honestly, if one has driven multiple Ferraris, old and new, there are several, as in quite a few, that are much better and more engaging.
I looked at both the 458 and the 488. I bought the 458. Naturally aspirated power you can use. Soooo much fun. No brainer for me once I drove them both. The 488 is clearly faster but you just can’t use all that power on the street regularly. The 458 looks better and clearly sounds better. And the 458 will go down in history as one of the most fun naturally aspirated cars ever made. I bought mine in December 21 and have put over 10k miles on it smiling all the time!
Yeah it really is an amazing car
Agreed dan and I read your book on buying a 458 and consulted with you before buying it. You were very helpful. Thank you!
I think Josh did a great job pointing out each cars differences. The only thing that would've made this review epic is appropriate costumes. If you're going to review 2 amazing Batmobile's, you gotta go all in. So which one will be Bruce, and who"s gonna be Robin?🤔
Haha I love this idea
I test drove a 488 once. It felt like I had unlimited power under my foot. It's stupid fast and makes you forget that it doesn't sound as good as a 458. I'd still pick the 458 because of the sound and the fact that it's plenty fast.
Yeah it's a tough choice with no wrong answer
488 for me, but a Pista shoooo weee!
Hell yes in the Pista
I would take the 488 if it wasn't for the way the front looks. I know some will hate me saying this, but if I'm being honest, i would put the challenge front fascia on it from 2016, that looks like the standard car with a few extra organic lines.
Yeah that would look better
488!❤
Indeed
Hands down the 488 is more superior than the 458 in every aspect.
Well I wouldn't say every aspect. It's impossible to say it sounds better but it can sound very good
@normalguysupercar ok I will give you that, the 458 does sound better but with the Capristo exhaust the 488 will sound amazing!
Love the 458 but i take the 488 easy!
The Pista is another level!! Even with a tuning the 488 GTB is not fast as a Pista and fun as a Pista
For sure
Absolutely sick video. Thx
Thank you
Is this 488 so much faster than the 458 because it has a tune? I didn't feel like the stock 488 was significantly faster than a stock 458.
Yes
Only because the F8 was mentioned, I would actually take an F8, besides the overall looks, three sound which I think is slightly better than the 488, it also has the signature Ferrari look of 4 taillights.
Yeah the f8 looks really good
The spec on that 458 is beautiful. Just missing a La Ferrari bridge.
Those are pretty cool looking
The black color of the Ferrari's make them look very sharp.
Yeah
I'll take perfomace over exhaust notes any day.
Ok
The big difference that made the 488 seem more comfortable and less twitchy is the race seats in the 458.
No it's actually the suspension. We've had race seats in the 488 and it's still more comfortable.
I have same floor in my garage 😊 by the way great video, and awesome cars 😊
Thank you
Aside from the drum in the rear, the brake discs interchange between the 458 and 488.
The brake pads or the rotors?
@@normalguysupercar
Discs as in rotors. Pads are totally different. The 458 uses the old style open back Brembo caliper that is found on Corvettes and many other cars.
When I got my CCST rotors from Surface Transforms for my 488, I was the "test pilot". Same sizes etc. After taking some measurements, they sent me a set of 458 rotors to test fit. Front was the exact same, rears were too. I just unbolted the inner drum. Rather than sending them back and wait three months I just stuck with what I had. Now they offer the rears without the holes in the hat for the drum. The Speciale actually use the same brake setup as the 488 with the billet closed back calipers. Also the Pista and 488 can run the same rotors too. Only difference is that the Pista runs a 38 mm thick rotor vs. 36 mm, but they are interchangeable. So if you ever want to get a set of front rotors for a 488 that has a bit better heat management, but that are OEM, just order Pista rotors. Fun fact. The 812 SF/GTS, TdF and Pista share brakes too🙂
I have a 458, black very similar spec to y’all’s, I have been thinking about trading/selling and getting a 488/f8. If I had all the money….I’d keep the 458, but if I want to change it’s gotta go.
Yeah ideally both is the best
@@normalguysupercar oh for sure…!! A 458, a 488, a 720S, 812 Comp….that’s my garage.
458 Italia 4:48
488 GTB 9:31
Thanks
that wall looks real good
Thanks
"I really didn't get on it that hard!"
That's what she said.
I can't put my finger on why, but I think maybe I like the sound of the 488 more. I notice the 458 has a roar to it, and the 488 has like a very angry growl to it that I like.
I mean nobody can say it sounds bad. The problem is the 458 is almost the gold standard in comparison
@@normalguysupercar it's strange. When I saw the first teaser to the 458 with just the noise, and a brief view from the driver seat, that sound I heard was what made me fall in love with the 458, but these days I haven't heard anything that sounds the same from 458 videos today. But maybe that's just my how microphones catch sounds from machinery?
It's a very different experience. What I found when I swapped my 458 for a 488, was that I got a sound that I felt was more alive and natural. To me the 458 was not that great from the perspective of complexity. Loud yes, but also monotone in a way. When I got the 488, I got a car that I felt that I could hear breathing and working around me. So many little nuances and details in the sound which I instantly fell for. I love cars like the Lusso, 812 and so on for the same reason. You can hear the engine doing its thing. Depending on the throttle blade position, you can hear how the car switches between intake runner length, how the air is pulled in etc. I never got that from the 458, it was just "a noise".
I think I'm still strongly in the 488 column and I think it's because of the shocking acceleration with a turbo car... i mean i love my F12 but it just doesn't have that kick you in the head acceleration of a turbo car
The 488 acceleration is just stupid. Lol
I test drove one of those and holy cow that was so awesome@@normalguysupercar
488 over the458 for me
Nice
Great show guys
Thank you
I think Ferrari missed the mark on the 488, they had a tough act to follow and seemed they needed more time at the drawing board to fine tune it as this was their first production run turbo car. The 488 owners are quick to upgrade to something else and the 458 owners (me included) have a hard time letting go. I love the performance of the 488 but if I was going turbo I don't think the 488 would be on my short list.
Perhaps the f8?
That is what some say should have been the next car after the 458. I havn't ridin in one so I don't have an opinion on F8. The styling on the F8 just doesn't get me that excited, it seems a little soft compared to the Pista. I really wish they stayed the course with Pininfarina designing their cars.@@normalguysupercar
Both Great Cars 👍
They are!
Going from sound 458 all day of course but i think if i drove both my answer would be 488. Ideally id buy both lol
Ideally yes
Any one of them is great! 👍🏻
True
Alot of people are drone to the Na of the 458 but for speed, i would do the 488
Yes indeed
That is one hell of a gate at 10:19
10:17
Ranches out there
That 458... winner! Whew.
Yeah
guys the simple answer, is you need the Spider version of them both
Lol boooo! Haha
Hey quick 812 Comp question.
Do you know where the prices of those are in the US at this point?
Now the coupé versions are starting to trade between 2 and 2.4 mill € here in Europe.
Also, do you think the SF90XX Spider with it's limited number will be a fairly big success on the used market? People definitely seem to be really into the design.
It depends but they are extremely hard to find right now
@@normalguysupercar
For sure. Many are still waiting for their 18 month period to be up.
Josh, you went in with Dan just so you could drive these cars. 😂
Lol smart man
My dream car the 458 black on black but I'll take the 488 GTB in black on black. Hopefully, I do good in crpyto and buy one. Also, what exhaust is on the 488 GTB?
Both have Kline Inconel exhaust
458>488
if their interiors were red it would look nice on the black
That would be badass
Hands down 458 but with the wheels Dan had on his
Yeah that was really good
Why only 480p?
It's 4k
Edit: it's supposed to be 4k but it's not. WTF RUclips!
what would a 488 like that one cost??
$250-275k
I’d like to know which tunes are on each, and which are the best?
Vr tune in the 488. Not sure I'm the 458
hi, my ferrari 488 i just change new tyre, tpms failure problem come out . can you give me some solution for me.
That's not enough information to help
I also do the Ferrari system tpms to do the calibration but still pop up notification not connect.
What tune is on the 488?
It was a tube we no longer use. We now recommended DME and sell their tunes
But if I would have to choose only one Ferrari from these 2, it would have to be the 458. The sound is just….
It's hard to go wrong with either
I'm older (read ancient) and I'd like an F8 Tributo.
Lol nice
488
Yeah
just opinions...488 just doesnt look right. It's kinda like the gen2 r8, something's off from perfection and never look as good as the gen1..i would skip and get the pista coz that one looks right from the moment it's released. F8 looks nicer than 488 but not quite close to the 458. Cars are all too fast anyways...with ferrari u gotta like to look at it first of all. Even the speciale added some aggression and aeros but arguably not any better looking than the original
That's valid
I'd take a Scud...
Oh yes
458 🏆
Yeah
Ho hum guys.
Cool
Turbo ferrari. Why? It ruins it. It ruins every car. Tragedy
Eh it's pretty damn fun
458 sound better....
Indeed
Y'all should be proud of Your dealership!
It looks very very nice...
If I didn't live 1000 miles away in North Scottsdale 🏜🌞 I would pay the place a visit.
Thank you very much!
458
Yeah