The 2022 Polaris Sportsman XP 1000 S was released in July, but the Scrambler XP 1000 S didn't come out until the January. Now Sportsman S are pissed, here's why.
Video missed a key piece of information about how when the 2022 first came out, all sales data noted the bike came with the Walker Evans suspension. I think that is the ultimate problem. Between their promotional documentation and in their website product data, the bike highlighted that it came with the Walker Evans suspension. If this isn't false advertising, I don't know what is.
@@fasteddie737 Dude, a multi billion dollar corporation has their own lawyers.. We're consumer advocates here.. They weren't forthright, people should know..
Now THAT is interesting. There are websites which archive past web pages. If someone will press the issue, they could retrieve the advertisement web page. If that date is found to be the same or later than the date at which a person made their purchase, it's an open and shut case. They could take that to small claims court and FORCE Polaris to provide the product as advertised (a set of 4 Walker Evans shocks)
@@fasteddie737 That disclaimer follows the paradigm..."The big print giveth. The small print taketh away" As slimy as it is, it just might work for Polaris. But not necessarily. If in addition to the photo, the ad boasts the Walker Evans shocks, but in some remote corner, Polaris posted a small disclaimer, a judge may consider it deceptive and NOT grant the defendant such protection. I faced this once, contested it in small claims. I not only won, the judge verbally admonished their representative.
All owners who feel cheated and lied to by Polaris regarding the lack of Walker Evans shocks. We need to start a class action lawsuit. I have reached out to Polaris regarding the missing shocks. I ordered this unit there were no machines to go see at a dealer the 2021 has the W.E. shocks. They lied and claimed that they notified our dealers and those of us who had pre-ordered these units. My dealer or myself received any notice. Polaris told me that they were not offering recalls or cash value of the missing W.E's. I will post this on every forum, Facebook and RUclips media I can. We all need to join together and go after Polaris. Pissed off Polaris Owners
Thanks Q! One of the guys from the owners group asked if I would consider doing this video.. Im hoping it helps them out somehow.. Bonus points for me when I get to take a jab at SXSs!! 🤣🤣🤣
That last comment was absolute gold…I also believe that every vid should have commentary about being screwed while somebody is elbow deep in a cow!!!! In all seriousness, for that price you should have every goodie possible on the machine.
Sad part is, people are still buying these machines in high volume regardless of the price. Polaris keeps raising the prices because they can. But they're all doing that. Its to the point that even some 500 class machines are getting close to $10k. Honda is also bad at this, pricing something like the 520cc Rubicon the same as a Grizzly or Brute Force and those machines completely outshine the Rubicon in performance.
Yes unfortunately greed has taken over, the machines simply are not worth the commanded prices. They won't be getting any green backs from me, to many better options for my needs.
@@brad8665 - Normally, I would agree with you. The fact is they are very popular and apparently reliable - which is why they are manufacturing engines for KTM. I will buy a Yamaha Grizzly 700 or King Quad 750, first.
Only a fool rides with his frt bumper up the tailpipe of the one ahead, kicking up all that dust. How do you tell he's a fool ? He'll say that's why i have an air filter ! Fools ...
If I found out about them not using the Evans shocks I wouldn’t buy one !! I’m in Canada and for the money that they are I can buy a decent newer truck
Corporate greed would seem to have become the norm for them these days and times of recent past . Considering all the cheap components combined with premium prices . My 19 premium xp 1000 just sits in my shop and is basically never ridden . I’m halfway scared of it breaking and not being able to get parts to fix it before 2076.
I don't get the ride command pricing. The app is free and dies the exact same thing. And the trails are updated by use. I am also dumbfounded by Polaris pricing. The HL1000 is damn near the price of a sxs now and has had zero improvements from last year which was $1000's less
I totally agree why they are pissed, I have had Polaris atvs since I started ridding all have ben flawless but I purchased a sportsman 1000 with ride command last week on Wednesday and got it home to only find out that I had no 4 wheel drive and that the ride command display was missing half of the features that it could do, I couldn’t adjust the throttle modes or change the eps modes, and a bunch of other crap on it, so on Thursday I took it back to the dealer only to discover the ecu was never programmed and now their fighting with Polaris to send out the software for it. down right pissed off for what I paid for it
You don't need to test them to know you're losing out on adjustable compression damping, pre-load range, and there's no reservoir.. Not to mention the actual spring rates and stroke.. The pogos they put on are the same as the standard XP with a longer nipple..
Another great video! However, you caught me off guard @5:20 of this video. I just woke up, grabbed a cup of coffee and got to that 5:20 mark of the video and gagged a little bit. 🤣 💩
Buy a yamaha grizzly and forget that polaris joke I've had a couple of mechanics tell me they see less problems with yamis mine has been reliable for years.
@@DirtObseXXion well im a little surprised cause people seem to always look to polaris, but my 2002 grizzly 660 still runs strong and my 1997 mm700 is bullet proof. But im poor sl reliability is my standard. ✌
Most people in the comments know what’s right and wrong… but the others who are saying Polaris is a great buy or a great quad need help!! The most recalls and fires on the market, cheaper parts than anything else, and the worst customer service ever. Come on now
I recently purchased a Sportsman S and I can agree the Walker shocks would have been nice but this 4-wheeler is absolutely amazing. I came from a 2015 Scrambler 1000 that I loved but this new quad is better.
And.... Polaris isn't putting a gun to peoples heads making them buy their atvs. The 1000 s is as technologically advanced an atv that we have ever seen.
I'll add another gripe as an owner of a 2015 XP 1000...shoddy honoring of their extended (5 year) warranty option. A little over a year after purchase, it started developing symptoms resembling vapor lock after an hour of use. Over the next 4 years, I repeatedly brought this to the dealer, and was repeatedly told that unless they could replicate the problem, Polaris would not cover replacement of parts under warranty. Understandably, the dealers were not able to replicate it, as it took roughly an hour of riding for the symptom to appear. I can also understand why Polaris would only want to cover replacement for documented problems. But, here's where Polaris F'd with their customers. 1) The problem had been reported as far back as the introduction of the XP in 2009, yet Polaris failed to correct the design/manufacture by 2015 2) Dealers I spoke with in multiple states knew of and had reported the fuel pump problem for YEARS. Yet Polaris would not honor replacement unless the dealer replicated the problem. Being an intermittent issue that required a LOT of time and actual in-field riding to achieve, this essentially never occurred. Polaris knew the problem and exploited 'replication' clause rather than fess up and replace the pump until they FINALLY got around to fixing the design/manufacturing defect. 3) A friend owns two 2018 XP 850s and BOTH had the same problem within a year. One even had the problem occur a SECOND TIME, less than a year after replacing the original pump. 4) One dealer was so fed up with the Polaris pump that he REBUILDS the pump with more reliable, aftermarket motor/pump components, and does so for less money than replacing the pump with a new, Polaris OEM pump. 5) Polaris does not have a fuel pressure sender. If it had one, an error code could easily document existence of the issue. In my case, after FOUR YEARS of recurring problems and expiration of my 5 year extended warranty, I said 'replace the goddamn fuel pump - at my expense'. Problem solved. When my friend's XP developed the same problem, I recounted my experience and lack of warranty coverage. He used his relation with the dealer (bought 5 ATVs and one UTV) along with threat of a lawsuit to FORCE the pump be replaced at no cost to him. Some owners of RZR UTVs have reported similar fuel pump issues, even to the extent that one carries a spare pump. For anyone reading this, the end takeaway is if your unit starts stumbling after it's thoroughly warmed up (say 40+ minutes of riding) as though its running out of fuel or has vapor lock, go through the regular motions of looking for an empty tank and bad gas. But if the problem persists and you're still within warranty, cut the 'replication' bullshit. DEMAND, DEMAD, DEMAND that Polaris replace the fuel pump. Polaris has failed to address a critical problem for OVER A DECADE. It's past time to force the issue.
@@NuclearT3acup Having parts go through the firewall? Yikes! As for the other things you mentioned, yeah I had a lot of those as well. Shifting was extremely difficult, in part because the idle speed is computer controlled and CANNOT be programmed below ~1150 RPM. But at that speed the clutch tended to engage - not enough for the vehicle to roll, but just enough to cause shifting to bind. To address this, I sometimes had to turn the engine OFF in order to shift. I also tried blipping the throttle, letting it slow down gradually and attempting to shift just before it came to a dead stop, rocking the quad front-to-back to unload the gears. Most of the time, these did not work. Eventually, the shift lever broke from all the struggling. The clutch was replaced. That helped a little, but did not solve it. Heat? Yeah, same here. My plastic was replaced THREE TIMES because the plastic melted, leaving a hole near my right thigh. Twice, some jury rigged heat shield was attempted. On the third, Polaris finally issued a recall and created a decent heat shield. But part of this problem is due to poor placement of the muffler. It is located in the right rear wheel well, about 0.75 inches from the tire carcass. The tire's sidewall can get too hot to touch. This location also precludes the use of tire chains, which I own and have used on earlier ATVs, including a 2009 Polaris XP850, which I later traded in for the 2015 XP1000) Build quality...It seems OK, but I was rudely awakened at less than 100 miles, when one of the front brake calipers FELL OFF, lodged between the wheel and A-arm, and snapped the halfshaft. Fortunately, I was going slow enough so as not to be thrown from the quad. The mounting bolts had not been tightened/secured and had fallen out Power Steering...It has been reliable. But it has a lot of play and leads to a vague, skittish feeling at speed. I discovered this on the show room, even before buying my 2009 XP. I compares both the power steering and manual steering (standard in 2009) versions, both with the engine off and on. The play was MUCH more noticeable on the power steering version. My 2011 Can Am has power steering as well. It is much tighter and more precise, in part because it uses a different sensing technique for power assist. Polaris sells more ATVs and UTVs than any other manufacturer. Based on volume and time in the industry they should be in position to have both economies of scale and enough first hand experience to either prevent, or at least promptly resolve issues. But this fuel pump issue in the XP's existed from the first year (2009), all the way through the 2018 my friend has (by 2020, failed three times on 2 machines). That Polaris not only failed to solve it in a decade's time, but also failed to issue recalls and even kept dodging replacing it under warranty is BY FAR my biggest gripe. I prefer the Polaris suspension. But the Can Am gets my nod for a replacement, perhaps next year. What I would REALLY like to see is Honda FINALLY coming out with a big bore. Their ~1000CC 'Africa Twin' engine from their adventure bike was modified for use their 'Pioneer', and possibly the 'Talon' UTV as well. If they made a variant of that engine for an ATV, with Hi/Lo range, a locking front differential, and good ground clearance, I'd buy that in a heartbeat.
This sounds like my experience with Harley Davidson. Had some major head work done right before warranty expired. (Took almost 2 years and 4 dealerships before someone tried to fix it). Issue still persisted. Felt like I was forced into a $1,800 extended warranty. Which I ended up just paying. 4 months later, blown transmission. $6,000 fix and almost 3 months in the shop. All said and done, I’ve had $10,000 worth of warranty work before 25k miles... dealerships, the brand, the whole experience has me turning my back on the brand. I think an issue is that these companies are bidding out their parts and engine parts to the lowest bidder. Not sure where Polaris is made, but I assume they claim the US. But 40% of the engine is made in China or something like that. Anyways lol
Great video You're a spot on. Polaris is so out of touch with the average consumer all they care to cater to these days are the ones deep pockets. Thats their business model I suppose it's been working for them but doesn't mean we have to support it.
I was actually going to trade in a couple of my quads and buy one of the scrambler s but in the course of 2 years they raise the price about $3,000 and I'm not really sure why. Now it's no longer worth it to me. They did the same thing with the rs1 which I was considering as well
All of these atv’s/ motorcycle companies have found a new marketing / manufacture strategy . Fire 1/2 the workers . Make less machines . Charge a lot more for them . Make more money with less work .
Enthusiasts who are into ATV's understand that Polaris is a nightmare. The problem is the people coming into the hobby fresh, and then they have to deal with all the issues that come with owning a Polaris.
What are the issues with Polaris and why is it a nightmare? Compared to the other brands they always innovate and come out with new models. Compared to the Japanese which haven’t changed much. Look at the grizzly or king quad they literally haven’t changed much in 2 decades
Having worked at a polaris/ arctic crap shop for a few years I can say without a doubt the atv and sxs are cheaply built with cheap parts and sold like they are made of unobtainium, now the snow machines on the other hand are top notch...except the 800 without the engine fix kit. I have a 22 polaris rmk pro 155 but as for wheelers Ive got 2 outlanders, one is a BUILT and faaaaaar from stock 1000r ( I like power and a lot of it) and a dps 570 for my daughter. The reason for this is parts availability (oem and aftermarket in SPADES), they are stupid tough, reliable, pretty easy to work on and modify, they both ride like clouds and were very resonably priced for what they were. Brp wheelers are a better machine in just about every aspect. Dont even get me started on arctic cat, I could go on for DAYS.
You're reaffirming a lot of what I've been mentioning in my videos the last few years.. It's very telling when a mechanic who works on Polaris and Arctic Cat owns a CanAm..
@@DirtObseXXion The polaris sleds are pretty on point not gonna lie, the p85 clutch is easily the best on the market but an stm will surpase that in spades if one is inclined to do so which i am and already did. My 3 biggest gripes about the can am wheelers. 1. the visco lok cuz its shit, e lockers were standard on the grizzly since 2001. Whay is can am 21 yrs behind the curve? 2. the primary. Ive have yet to see any other company put out a primary where both sheeves can move independantly of eachother in eith direction and cause uneven belt wear. Hence the immediate stm replacement. 3. the attitude. Alot of people that have can ams have this "im better than you" attitude like jeep owners and think their machine is the best their is, then I come along and show them whats up and offer to teach and educate.
I gave up on getting anything new big bore I bought a used brute force waited 9 months on a can am outlander max 850 and was told I would have to wait longer I canceled and bought my buddy’s brute force
People still buy them, so they will produce them. Market should blame itself, nobody else. I finally got my dream bike.... a 2019 Yamaha Grizzly 700 Eps se in backcountry blue, and there's absolutely no way to be happier. However, several weeks later my nephew finally got the go ahead for a new quad, so he could finally retire his ol' 2004 Arctic Cat 400, but after many discussions he went with a 2019 Polaris Sportsman 850sp that was 3 hrs away in Vermont. I told em to get a Yamaha, and he may have if there wasn't such a bike drought right now. But he drove twice as far as I did for my bike and will pay more than that in repairs over the years, I would bet.
Around here we never had WE on even Scramblers so not a big deal here. :) And for real fun you change to Öhlins or something and you are good to go. But i hate when they do "less" in some countrys tho. If i buy a Scrambler i should get the same shocks and even the Led bar, but here you get none.
Bottom line, don’t ever buy anything from Polaris, new or used, because of their extremely poor product support, reliability and engineering development capabilities! Very poor way to “ run a railroad” business wise Polaris!
Honda all the way. Never liked a Polaris. No gears bad breaks. Hell my old 2000 450 honda foreman has no breaks but has gears .. have ben every were with it.. every Polaris I've saw Rhode ben around were all junk.. even brand new ones..
I hope someone sues Polaris and wins. I do not like Polaris and will never buy any of their products. I think they are way way overpriced and are not good quality. I am currently looking into CF Moto because they seem to give the best bang for your buck and they seem like a good brand.
Polaris is junk everybody that is a woodsman knows to stay away. Good for people that ride on Rally's for there comfort and other bikes around that can tow them home.
I’ve got 10,000km on my pro xp with zero issues , I think proper maintenance goes a long way on durability . Mind you I don’t drive it like Ken Block in a Hoonigan video 🤷♂️
Oh year Polaris lost my business back in 2018, once bitten twice shy. Wether a new Polaris cost $15K, $30K or just $20 dollars I am taking my check book else where, max Polaris profit is a long term broken business model.
I remember picking up my 17 scrambler 850 for about 9500 brand new the new price is insane for atvs it's much cheaper to just get a base model and go with aftermarket upgrades
I was to buy a sportsman s but when it finally came to europe it had no walker Evans shooks or any bumpers like the us version had...still it cost 3000$ more here..seems you got the shooks we got on the europe version in us now to...i never bought one...and will go back to can am again
When I ordered mine in September and it came In November there was no mention of this Sachs suspension. I am soooooo disappointed in how this bike rides. If I would of know. This I woulda bought a can am.
How come when I go into my local shop that sells can am and Polaris, the techs mostly work on can am not Polaris? If there so unreliable? Not saying just saying
I've rebuilt many W.E shocks...!!!!! Idk what's wrong but they never hold up - especially on snowmobiles. . Can literally buy cheap rubber seals from the plumbing section at a hardware store and they'd be better !!!!
Great video I keep wanting to buy a Polaris but there's always that one video or real polaris owners like my buddies that keeps telling me their horror stories. Since 1998 I have been wanting that polaris but end up getting other brands. I think I have considered CFMOTO over polaris for our type of riding for now. I am obsessed and want one because I like what they have done with that newer look but still on the fence. I may consider their 2 up model down the road.
oh hell no! i've been shouting from the rooftops about these guys sense i got swindled in 2016. my brand new quad has been sitting out in the barn collecting bird poop for 5 or 6 years. some kind of crazy binding and popping and grinding in the transmission, just ridiculous..... it's almost paid for.
If you watch the video it was about Polaris advertising premium Walker Evans Suspension and changing that to factory shocks without warning.. They're pretty cool machines, we had Scrambler S for awhile
I have a feeling Polaris is neglecting the ATV department (probably even on purpose) since their money makers are also outrageously overpriced SxS's demand.
I’ve never had any issues with my Polaris. Proper maintenance will go a long way and I beat the absolute shit out of my sportsman. I don’t know what all these people are talking about saying that Polaris is shit.
@@natekling9108 I bought the 2019 XP1K premium new and replaced every shock and A-arm bushing at 800 miles they were greased every other ride. Replaced all brake pads at 800 miles they were completely shot. The wheel bearings were shot at 942 miles and I avoid mud puddles. After 4 months the steering shaft and linkage had as much slop as a 98 dodge truck. Before it hit 1000 miles the one way bearing went out and seized up causing the entire primary clutch to need replaced then the electronic AWD system went out. I hope you have better luck than me. Needless to say I don’t own a Polaris anymore
@@theviking4525 hopefully I don’t have a horror story like that happen to me because at that point I would be one of the people saying Polaris is shit😂
@@DirtObseXXion I love my 2019 Grizzly and wouldn’t mind upgrading to something like a XMR850 but I can’t see it due to how expensive everything is!! I’m not spending 14-15k on an ATV
22 Sportsman1000s owner here, and I doubt they’ll do better than the $500 gift card for us. Polaris is probably justifying the lack of WE shocks by knowing the 1000s comes standard with their $600 winch, the LED POD, and LED Bumper Lights. Where as the Scambler is without a winch and has $hitty headlights with 65w bulbs. Not saying that they’re right but just pointing out the differences.
True, but the Scrambler S has better WE suspension with rebound adjustment, a light bar, and better tires.. I don't think the things you listed justify 3k less in suspension
I owned the sportsman S model with the supposed nice clicker walkers they were horrible and also yea I think this is totally a good reason to plan ahead and buy CanAm at all cost you won’t get good suspension their either but also plan for 4500$ upgrade soon as you get it and boom happy rider
@@DirtObseXXion I’ll be real, you could take off those shocks and send them into a suspension place get them built into something nice the bodies were useable. They are Just cheep walker production garbage. They weren’t plush and they bottomed out easy. They needed new valving and a better spring package. Walker suspension has lots of flaws they aren’t that good even their top of the line shit. You can spend money and fix their issues tho. I never built my Polaris because I wasn’t impressed with the motor so I sold it. Tbh tho they could be built onto something great but my CanAm costed 20k in aftermarket to make good and these would be easy 26k that’s on top of the sticker price. Just wish a oem would sell something that came good like when you buy a dirt bike… that to much to ask
Now you guys in US are in the same situation as guys in europe, but we in europe never had walkers and front and rear bumpers from the start + sportsman s is 20k $ in europe 😅
Scrambler 1000s EU Model costs more than US and doesn't have walker evans shocks neither the LED bar in front, so stop crying bro....US customers are always preferred even if the vehicle is foreign....so get over it, they are nice ATV's!!
Not our fault your Libtard governments ruin your economy.. We prefer elitism and expect better products.. Europe sounds shitty, I'll stay in Kentucky 🖕🤠
No one said it's yours or the US populations fault🤦♂️ I'll just leave it here because I see there's no sense discussing on an objective level with you bro😉 have fun out there in Kentucky 😄👍
These S models aren’t my personal flavor either but I would want the best suspension possible especially dropping that much coin Glad I ride cheap sport quads
My 400 ex is. 6 dollar oil changes. Adjust the valves every 5 years. And let's not even get into replacing chains over drive shafts and all the stuff that were in the rear. Honda's 450 was a single overhead cam. They last. I own alot of at. I rid my 200s three wheeler over my sportsman on big rides. I don't want to break down an HR from home
@@phillsmith9903 The Viking races IXCR, he built 2 450r this year.. Both ground up re-builds with performance parts so he dropped some coin.. We're gonna follow his season as much as possible on this channel.. If you're not building the crap of them then yes, sportquads are much cheaper.. 👌
S models in them selves have changed the ATV industry. Ride Command is another leap forward by Polaris. If you haven't used Ride Command in an unfamiliar area don't knock it. Its absolutely awesome. Now the shock issue is a different story.
Yeah ride command is definitely a feature some folks will like, but we're hearing from some buyers who have said a lot of the ride command features are turned off the ATVs version. My concern would be the fixed tablet between the bars. A rollover would be an extremely expensive endeavor with one of those.. A mounted GPS might be a little more rigid, although you lose some of the connectivity
I stopped at a Polaris Dealer and was told by the employee, that he would never pay 15k plus for a quad and suggested that I don't either. He told me that I could get 2 quads for the price of the 1,and better quality 😮...What is going on in the quad world ? I'm going to take his advice and head down to CF Moto I've never heard of them b4 but after doing some research they look worth a try. It will be my first quad. Thanks for the Video.
My last video was on CFMOTO.. There's been a lot of folks happy with them and some stories about some failures.. For the price, a lot folks consider it worth the risk.. My personal preference would be Yamaha or CanAm but they're considerably more expensive
@@DirtObseXXion Im just looking for something that can move a 7x14 enclosed trailer with 2 homeowner grade zero turn mowers in it. With ease. being new to quads I'm kind of lost....Thanks for the time you take to reply.... Is there anything you would recommend, or a certain power level that I should buy to achieve such task ?
@@DirtObseXXion what's your opinion on Kawasaki Brute Force and Suzuki Kingquad because I never see you mention those 2 machines which to most people, they seem to be the best "value" single cylinder and V-Twin. Prior to covid that is. Now everything is insane new or used
@@youngangel615 I've done videos on them.. They're both good machines, I prefer the KQ over the BF because the BF feels more blocky and less agile.. I like the Grizzly over both tho..
Video missed a key piece of information about how when the 2022 first came out, all sales data noted the bike came with the Walker Evans suspension. I think that is the ultimate problem. Between their promotional documentation and in their website product data, the bike highlighted that it came with the Walker Evans suspension. If this isn't false advertising, I don't know what is.
Thanks for adding that!!!
In absence of their defense, Polaris does cover that: All pricing, specifications, claims, and information contained on this website are based upon current knowledge available at time of publication and are subject to change without notice, and Polaris assumes no responsibility for changes in pricing or specifications. Polaris assumes no responsibility for any inaccuracies, opinions, or omissions on this website. ©2021 Polaris Inc.
@@fasteddie737 Dude, a multi billion dollar corporation has their own lawyers.. We're consumer advocates here.. They weren't forthright, people should know..
Now THAT is interesting. There are websites which archive past web pages. If someone will press the issue, they could retrieve the advertisement web page. If that date is found to be the same or later than the date at which a person made their purchase, it's an open and shut case. They could take that to small claims court and FORCE Polaris to provide the product as advertised (a set of 4 Walker Evans shocks)
@@fasteddie737 That disclaimer follows the paradigm..."The big print giveth. The small print taketh away"
As slimy as it is, it just might work for Polaris. But not necessarily. If in addition to the photo, the ad boasts the Walker Evans shocks, but in some remote corner, Polaris posted a small disclaimer, a judge may consider it deceptive and NOT grant the defendant such protection.
I faced this once, contested it in small claims. I not only won, the judge verbally admonished their representative.
All owners who feel cheated and lied to by Polaris regarding the lack of Walker Evans shocks. We need to start a class action lawsuit. I have reached out to Polaris regarding the missing shocks. I ordered this unit there were no machines to go see at a dealer the 2021 has the W.E. shocks. They lied and claimed that they notified our dealers and those of us who had pre-ordered these units. My dealer or myself received any notice. Polaris told me that they were not offering recalls or cash value of the missing W.E's. I will post this on every forum, Facebook and RUclips media I can. We all need to join together and go after Polaris.
Pissed off Polaris Owners
Excellent statement and very well done! Hopefully Polaris is listening.
Oh and, WOW, that was quite the closing statement, but I can't disagree.
Thanks Q! One of the guys from the owners group asked if I would consider doing this video.. Im hoping it helps them out somehow.. Bonus points for me when I get to take a jab at SXSs!! 🤣🤣🤣
Buy a CFMOTO yes its from china but for the price its a great machine .
That last comment was absolute gold…I also believe that every vid should have commentary about being screwed while somebody is elbow deep in a cow!!!!
In all seriousness, for that price you should have every goodie possible on the machine.
Lol!!
That is some impactful visuals for sure!
Lmaoooo chad was just making sure you understood the level and depth of the screwing people were taking from pooplaris.
Sad part is, people are still buying these machines in high volume regardless of the price. Polaris keeps raising the prices because they can. But they're all doing that. Its to the point that even some 500 class machines are getting close to $10k. Honda is also bad at this, pricing something like the 520cc Rubicon the same as a Grizzly or Brute Force and those machines completely outshine the Rubicon in performance.
"FOOLS BEING EASILY SEPERATED FROM THEIR MONEY !" LOL
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Yeah I’m one of those fools haha
I liked that sxs owners give each other handies on the trails lol
Yes unfortunately greed has taken over, the machines simply are not worth the commanded prices. They won't be getting any green backs from me, to many better options for my needs.
Polaris is waaaay over priced for level of quality
And this is why CFMoto is rocking the ATV world in some (maybe most) locations. C'mon Polaris, pull your head out already!
CF moto? What are you smoking? That’s Chinese junk.
@@brad8665 - Normally, I would agree with you. The fact is they are very popular and apparently reliable - which is why they are manufacturing engines for KTM.
I will buy a Yamaha Grizzly 700 or King Quad 750, first.
Only a fool rides with his frt bumper up the tailpipe of the one ahead, kicking up all that dust.
How do you tell he's a fool ? He'll say that's why i have an air filter !
Fools ...
If I found out about them not using the Evans shocks I wouldn’t buy one !! I’m in Canada and for the money that they are I can buy a decent newer truck
No, at 17k you absolutely have to have decent suspension.. That or drop the price 2-2.5k
@@DirtObseXXion yes !! I payed 16k for my 2017 limited edition matte cooper so in Canada that quad would be 21k
For me, this is a simple solution, just don't buy a Polaris, problem solved.
polaris dont give a shit about any of these people theres always more inline to get one
Corporate greed would seem to have become the norm for them these days and times of recent past . Considering all the cheap components combined with premium prices .
My 19 premium xp 1000 just sits in my shop and is basically never ridden . I’m halfway scared of it breaking and not being able to get parts to fix it before 2076.
Ehhhhh.. probably a legitimate concern..
I don't get the ride command pricing. The app is free and dies the exact same thing. And the trails are updated by use.
I am also dumbfounded by Polaris pricing. The HL1000 is damn near the price of a sxs now and has had zero improvements from last year which was $1000's less
Seems like they're taking advantage of the supply chain issues and inflation a little more so than other companies.
Recognize the dealer at 1:17. That’s full throttle in Lowell, NC. Purchased 2 bikes and a SxS from them, very shady dealer but they have good prices.
I totally agree why they are pissed, I have had Polaris atvs since I started ridding all have ben flawless but I purchased a sportsman 1000 with ride command last week on Wednesday and got it home to only find out that I had no 4 wheel drive and that the ride command display was missing half of the features that it could do, I couldn’t adjust the throttle modes or change the eps modes, and a bunch of other crap on it, so on Thursday I took it back to the dealer only to discover the ecu was never programmed and now their fighting with Polaris to send out the software for it. down right pissed off for what I paid for it
Absolutely no excuse for that considering what you paid... Thanks for sharing
so glad i went with a suzuki King Quad 750
Strange times Chad 🙂
Definitely! Thanks Peter!
I don't think Polaris really cares...#1 in sales is their goal for the Off-Road Division...
True
Has anyone actually tested both shocks to see if it’s actually much of a downgrade?
You don't need to test them to know you're losing out on adjustable compression damping, pre-load range, and there's no reservoir.. Not to mention the actual spring rates and stroke.. The pogos they put on are the same as the standard XP with a longer nipple..
😂 You should have bought a CF Moto!
Also no grease zerts wtf !!!
Another great video! However, you caught me off guard @5:20 of this video. I just woke up, grabbed a cup of coffee and got to that 5:20 mark of the video and gagged a little bit. 🤣 💩
I'm sorry! Once you find a gem like that you gotta use it tho!
@@DirtObseXXion 🤣👍🏼
Fantastic video as always guys
Personally they can keep their tablet super computer display unit
I’ll have proper suspension anytime
Yep! Thanks!
better get a can am son
Buy a yamaha grizzly and forget that polaris joke I've had a couple of mechanics tell me they see less problems with yamis mine has been reliable for years.
I give that same advice quite often
@@DirtObseXXion well im a little surprised cause people seem to always look to polaris, but my 2002 grizzly 660 still runs strong and my 1997 mm700 is bullet proof. But im poor sl reliability is my standard. ✌
Most people in the comments know what’s right and wrong… but the others who are saying Polaris is a great buy or a great quad need help!! The most recalls and fires on the market, cheaper parts than anything else, and the worst customer service ever. Come on now
I recently purchased a Sportsman S and I can agree the Walker shocks would have been nice but this 4-wheeler is absolutely amazing. I came from a 2015 Scrambler 1000 that I loved but this new quad is better.
I agree it's cool, but it should be less expensive if you're not getting premium shocks.. Glad you're happy with it tho!
And.... Polaris isn't putting a gun to peoples heads making them buy their atvs. The 1000 s is as technologically advanced an atv that we have ever seen.
I'll add another gripe as an owner of a 2015 XP 1000...shoddy honoring of their extended (5 year) warranty option.
A little over a year after purchase, it started developing symptoms resembling vapor lock after an hour of use. Over the next 4 years, I repeatedly brought this to the dealer, and was repeatedly told that unless they could replicate the problem, Polaris would not cover replacement of parts under warranty. Understandably, the dealers were not able to replicate it, as it took roughly an hour of riding for the symptom to appear. I can also understand why Polaris would only want to cover replacement for documented problems. But, here's where Polaris F'd with their customers.
1) The problem had been reported as far back as the introduction of the XP in 2009, yet Polaris failed to correct the design/manufacture by 2015
2) Dealers I spoke with in multiple states knew of and had reported the fuel pump problem for YEARS. Yet Polaris would not honor replacement unless the dealer replicated the problem. Being an intermittent issue that required a LOT of time and actual in-field riding to achieve, this essentially never occurred. Polaris knew the problem and exploited 'replication' clause rather than fess up and replace the pump until they FINALLY got around to fixing the design/manufacturing defect.
3) A friend owns two 2018 XP 850s and BOTH had the same problem within a year. One even had the problem occur a SECOND TIME, less than a year after replacing the original pump.
4) One dealer was so fed up with the Polaris pump that he REBUILDS the pump with more reliable, aftermarket motor/pump components, and does so for less money than replacing the pump with a new, Polaris OEM pump.
5) Polaris does not have a fuel pressure sender. If it had one, an error code could easily document existence of the issue.
In my case, after FOUR YEARS of recurring problems and expiration of my 5 year extended warranty, I said 'replace the goddamn fuel pump - at my expense'. Problem solved.
When my friend's XP developed the same problem, I recounted my experience and lack of warranty coverage. He used his relation with the dealer (bought 5 ATVs and one UTV) along with threat of a lawsuit to FORCE the pump be replaced at no cost to him.
Some owners of RZR UTVs have reported similar fuel pump issues, even to the extent that one carries a spare pump.
For anyone reading this, the end takeaway is if your unit starts stumbling after it's thoroughly warmed up (say 40+ minutes of riding) as though its running out of fuel or has vapor lock, go through the regular motions of looking for an empty tank and bad gas. But if the problem persists and you're still within warranty, cut the 'replication' bullshit. DEMAND, DEMAD, DEMAND that Polaris replace the fuel pump. Polaris has failed to address a critical problem for OVER A DECADE. It's past time to force the issue.
I had a 2018 xp1000.. Same problem occurred after several other issues.. Ive owned my last Polaris
@@DirtObseXXion You too?? That means your challenge is to find someone with an XP more than a year old who HASN'T had that problem :)
@@NuclearT3acup Having parts go through the firewall? Yikes!
As for the other things you mentioned, yeah I had a lot of those as well.
Shifting was extremely difficult, in part because the idle speed is computer controlled and CANNOT be programmed below ~1150 RPM. But at that speed the clutch tended to engage - not enough for the vehicle to roll, but just enough to cause shifting to bind. To address this, I sometimes had to turn the engine OFF in order to shift. I also tried blipping the throttle, letting it slow down gradually and attempting to shift just before it came to a dead stop, rocking the quad front-to-back to unload the gears. Most of the time, these did not work. Eventually, the shift lever broke from all the struggling. The clutch was replaced. That helped a little, but did not solve it.
Heat? Yeah, same here. My plastic was replaced THREE TIMES because the plastic melted, leaving a hole near my right thigh. Twice, some jury rigged heat shield was attempted. On the third, Polaris finally issued a recall and created a decent heat shield. But part of this problem is due to poor placement of the muffler. It is located in the right rear wheel well, about 0.75 inches from the tire carcass. The tire's sidewall can get too hot to touch. This location also precludes the use of tire chains, which I own and have used on earlier ATVs, including a 2009 Polaris XP850, which I later traded in for the 2015 XP1000)
Build quality...It seems OK, but I was rudely awakened at less than 100 miles, when one of the front brake calipers FELL OFF, lodged between the wheel and A-arm, and snapped the halfshaft. Fortunately, I was going slow enough so as not to be thrown from the quad. The mounting bolts had not been tightened/secured and had fallen out
Power Steering...It has been reliable. But it has a lot of play and leads to a vague, skittish feeling at speed. I discovered this on the show room, even before buying my 2009 XP. I compares both the power steering and manual steering (standard in 2009) versions, both with the engine off and on. The play was MUCH more noticeable on the power steering version. My 2011 Can Am has power steering as well. It is much tighter and more precise, in part because it uses a different sensing technique for power assist.
Polaris sells more ATVs and UTVs than any other manufacturer. Based on volume and time in the industry they should be in position to have both economies of scale and enough first hand experience to either prevent, or at least promptly resolve issues. But this fuel pump issue in the XP's existed from the first year (2009), all the way through the 2018 my friend has (by 2020, failed three times on 2 machines). That Polaris not only failed to solve it in a decade's time, but also failed to issue recalls and even kept dodging replacing it under warranty is BY FAR my biggest gripe. I prefer the Polaris suspension. But the Can Am gets my nod for a replacement, perhaps next year.
What I would REALLY like to see is Honda FINALLY coming out with a big bore. Their ~1000CC 'Africa Twin' engine from their adventure bike was modified for use their 'Pioneer', and possibly the 'Talon' UTV as well. If they made a variant of that engine for an ATV, with Hi/Lo range, a locking front differential, and good ground clearance, I'd buy that in a heartbeat.
This sounds like my experience with Harley Davidson. Had some major head work done right before warranty expired. (Took almost 2 years and 4 dealerships before someone tried to fix it). Issue still persisted. Felt like I was forced into a $1,800 extended warranty. Which I ended up just paying. 4 months later, blown transmission. $6,000 fix and almost 3 months in the shop. All said and done, I’ve had $10,000 worth of warranty work before 25k miles... dealerships, the brand, the whole experience has me turning my back on the brand. I think an issue is that these companies are bidding out their parts and engine parts to the lowest bidder. Not sure where Polaris is made, but I assume they claim the US. But 40% of the engine is made in China or something like that. Anyways lol
$10k worth of work done to a bike that cost $15k new
Great video You're a spot on. Polaris is so out of touch with the average consumer all they care to cater to these days are the ones deep pockets. Thats their business model I suppose it's been working for them but doesn't mean we have to support it.
Truth! I'm just trying to make sure the word gets out to potential buyers.. I think they were a little disingenuous with this information
@@DirtObseXXion i agree!
I was actually going to trade in a couple of my quads and buy one of the scrambler s but in the course of 2 years they raise the price about $3,000 and I'm not really sure why. Now it's no longer worth it to me. They did the same thing with the rs1 which I was considering as well
5:20 Let’s just slide this clip in here for a visual analogy. 😂😂😂 It truly is unfortunate that Polaris is doing these types of things to the consumer.
Little fisting action for ya!
All of these atv’s/ motorcycle companies have found a new marketing / manufacture strategy . Fire 1/2 the workers . Make less machines . Charge a lot more for them . Make more money with less work .
That's exactly right ✅
I wonder how long until they figure out less sales = lower market share...
@@MrTheguywiththemoney it doesn’t matter . All the companies are regulating supply at the same time .
Enthusiasts who are into ATV's understand that Polaris is a nightmare. The problem is the people coming into the hobby fresh, and then they have to deal with all the issues that come with owning a Polaris.
Such a good point!
Lol
Very correct
What are the issues with Polaris and why is it a nightmare? Compared to the other brands they always innovate and come out with new models. Compared to the Japanese which haven’t changed much. Look at the grizzly or king quad they literally haven’t changed much in 2 decades
Good post PhillyLS1, I agree.
In Europe they have never com with Walker evans. But some shitty Sachs suspension with only preload.
I just picked up another used Raptor 700R…yes…my comment has nothing to do with this video. 👍🏻
Yamaha rules.
Still a great comment!
Nice job with the video!!
It seems the days of a Polaris quad under 10K are long gone.
Closing statement is spot on!! LOL
😁🤘 Thanks KC!!!
Am not ok after seeing that bit with the cow
Lol!
I love the scrambler s if only because it might give canam the kick in the ass they need to update the renegade
Imagine an xxc 1000 with the ground clearance and suspension travel of the Scrambler S.
Having worked at a polaris/ arctic crap shop for a few years I can say without a doubt the atv and sxs are cheaply built with cheap parts and sold like they are made of unobtainium, now the snow machines on the other hand are top notch...except the 800 without the engine fix kit. I have a 22 polaris rmk pro 155 but as for wheelers Ive got 2 outlanders, one is a BUILT and faaaaaar from stock 1000r ( I like power and a lot of it) and a dps 570 for my daughter. The reason for this is parts availability (oem and aftermarket in SPADES), they are stupid tough, reliable, pretty easy to work on and modify, they both ride like clouds and were very resonably priced for what they were. Brp wheelers are a better machine in just about every aspect.
Dont even get me started on arctic cat, I could go on for DAYS.
You're reaffirming a lot of what I've been mentioning in my videos the last few years.. It's very telling when a mechanic who works on Polaris and Arctic Cat owns a CanAm..
@@DirtObseXXion The polaris sleds are pretty on point not gonna lie, the p85 clutch is easily the best on the market but an stm will surpase that in spades if one is inclined to do so which i am and already did.
My 3 biggest gripes about the can am wheelers.
1. the visco lok cuz its shit, e lockers were standard on the grizzly since 2001. Whay is can am 21 yrs behind the curve?
2. the primary. Ive have yet to see any other company put out a primary where both sheeves can move independantly of eachother in eith direction and cause uneven belt wear. Hence the immediate stm replacement.
3. the attitude. Alot of people that have can ams have this "im better than you" attitude like jeep owners and think their machine is the best their is, then I come along and show them whats up and offer to teach and educate.
I gave up on getting anything new big bore I bought a used brute force waited 9 months on a can am outlander max 850 and was told I would have to wait longer I canceled and bought my buddy’s brute force
I have a 2020 sportsman 1000 XPs w the walker Evan’s suspension and I love it. Eats up everything I throw at it.
People still buy them, so they will produce them. Market should blame itself, nobody else. I finally got my dream bike.... a 2019 Yamaha Grizzly 700 Eps se in backcountry blue, and there's absolutely no way to be happier. However, several weeks later my nephew finally got the go ahead for a new quad, so he could finally retire his ol' 2004 Arctic Cat 400, but after many discussions he went with a 2019 Polaris Sportsman 850sp that was 3 hrs away in Vermont. I told em to get a Yamaha, and he may have if there wasn't such a bike drought right now. But he drove twice as far as I did for my bike and will pay more than that in repairs over the years, I would bet.
I have zero interest in getting a scrambler but here I am. Learning new things is always exciting, I'll stick around.
LOL! Well Dan, we're glad to have you...
Around here we never had WE on even Scramblers so not a big deal here. :) And for real fun you change to Öhlins or something and you are good to go. But i hate when they do "less" in some countrys tho. If i buy a Scrambler i should get the same shocks and even the Led bar, but here you get none.
Bottom line, don’t ever buy anything from Polaris, new or used, because of their extremely poor product support, reliability and engineering development capabilities! Very poor way to “ run a railroad” business wise Polaris!
Just bought a 2022 trail s 1000 premium. They’re pulling the same nonsense. Came with fox shocks instead of Walker evans.
Honda all the way. Never liked a Polaris. No gears bad breaks. Hell my old 2000 450 honda foreman has no breaks but has gears .. have ben every were with it.. every Polaris I've saw Rhode ben around were all junk.. even brand new ones..
For 17K it had better come with the Walker Evans! If you bought a 22 you got screwed!
I hope someone sues Polaris and wins. I do not like Polaris and will never buy any of their products. I think they are way way overpriced and are not good quality. I am currently looking into CF Moto because they seem to give the best bang for your buck and they seem like a good brand.
I’m would be pissed 😡 to for being that dumb paying that much for a 4 Wheeler
Polaris is junk everybody that is a woodsman knows to stay away. Good for people that ride on Rally's for there comfort and other bikes around that can tow them home.
Unfortunately…your right.
I’ve got 10,000km on my pro xp with zero issues , I think proper maintenance goes a long way on durability . Mind you I don’t drive it like Ken Block in a Hoonigan video 🤷♂️
He’s correct I don’t understand how Polaris still manages to sell quads the 09 xp was the first turd and should have been the last
@Roc_ Phipps that's the first time I've ever heard something like that
@Roc_ Phipps I had a 850 Outlander there kinda junky to I wouldn't buy another one. Fun though.
ashamed axctually of polaris!!! the price is still full price and shocks are not on the sportsman!!!!! polaris family
I buy 2021 sportsman xp1000s. I dont like i dont love my quad
Oh year Polaris lost my business back in 2018, once bitten twice shy. Wether a new Polaris cost $15K, $30K or just $20 dollars I am taking my check book else where, max Polaris profit is a long term broken business model.
Agreed! They broke records for profits year.. I guess they're saving a boat load by avoiding quality control all together
My new trail 900 smokes my old rhino in 30 ways I’m happy
Team Honda
Just buy a scrambler
Good advice.. But some guys want the racks and storage..
I guess dealing with the Pandemic just isn't enough for Greedy Polaris...
Just another reason to stay away from the most overrated off-road manufacturer in the biz.
I remember picking up my 17 scrambler 850 for about 9500 brand new the new price is insane for atvs it's much cheaper to just get a base model and go with aftermarket upgrades
Agreed.. I'd rather build em with stuff I wanted..
I was to buy a sportsman s but when it finally came to europe it had no walker Evans shooks or any bumpers like the us version had...still it cost 3000$ more here..seems you got the shooks we got on the europe version in us now to...i never bought one...and will go back to can am again
Same here
Also to add to the list of downgrades for european models:
-No LED podlight, only halogen
-No center brake light
When I ordered mine in September and it came In November there was no mention of this Sachs suspension. I am soooooo disappointed in how this bike rides. If I would of know. This I woulda bought a can am.
A lot of people didn't know until it was too late..
The S is near 18,000 in 2024
Why would anyone buy a Polaris over Can Am
Or vote Biden, or watch the WNBA, or eat shrimp.. 🤷♂️
@@DirtObseXXion hhaahah exactly
Because my neighbor has 22,000 miles on his 900 ranger!
So Polaris.......
Yep
Polaris sucks
I can appreciate a dude who gets his point across in two words
Between things like this, the HORRIBLE reliability and the HIGH pricing, I want nothing to do with Polaris.
Agreed 👍
How come when I go into my local shop that sells can am and Polaris, the techs mostly work on can am not Polaris? If there so unreliable? Not saying just saying
I've rebuilt many W.E shocks...!!!!! Idk what's wrong but they never hold up - especially on snowmobiles. . Can literally buy cheap rubber seals from the plumbing section at a hardware store and they'd be better !!!!
Damn, that's good to know.. We're more familiar with exit ar ARSFX
Really bad that owners are pissed that will hurt the sales for sure thanks for sharing this with us . Big 👍283 hope you guys have a Fun Week 👋😎
Thanks Chas! You too brother!
Great video I keep wanting to buy a Polaris but there's always that one video or real polaris owners like my buddies that keeps telling me their horror stories. Since 1998 I have been wanting that polaris but end up getting other brands. I think I have considered CFMOTO over polaris for our type of riding for now. I am obsessed and want one because I like what they have done with that newer look but still on the fence. I may consider their 2 up model down the road.
If you enjoy riding I would highly recommend a can-am, plenty of power, pretty good reliability, tons of dealerships, and relatively reasonable price.
I gotta agree with Duck Destroyer.. I like CanAm or Yamaha personally
Yeah I would go can am. The cf Motos are decent but they lack alot of low end torque.
oh hell no! i've been shouting from the rooftops about these guys sense i got swindled in 2016. my brand new quad has been sitting out in the barn collecting bird poop for 5 or 6 years. some kind of crazy binding and popping and grinding in the transmission, just ridiculous..... it's almost paid for.
That sucks
I was that fool once upon a time, I’ve been out of the “cage” for a couple years now, in the words of Dominic Toretto “I’ll die before I go back“
Glad to have you back!
I am a 2022 Polaris Sportsman XP 1000 S and I am not angry whatsoever. The ones who are mad, can’t afford one anyways.
If you watch the video it was about Polaris advertising premium Walker Evans Suspension and changing that to factory shocks without warning.. They're pretty cool machines, we had Scrambler S for awhile
Its sad how expensive these hobbies are getting imagine 10 years from now 80000 for a freaking side by side insane to say the least
At the rat we're going it may not be 10yrs from now... It may be sooner..
I have a feeling Polaris is neglecting the ATV department (probably even on purpose) since their money makers are also outrageously overpriced SxS's demand.
I think you're right..
Well you just turned me off when you mentioned the price. I definitely don’t want one at that price that’s too much that’s ridiculous
The price is absolutely ridiculous! 💯
As a sxs (and quad) owner i think i was just insulted??? Way to go.
I guess it depends on which sxs and quad..
* What should I buy for a quad then? Was gonna get a 2-up: Sportsman 1000xp Touring. What do you think?
No man, that was a sxs dig, buy what makes you happy
@@DirtObseXXion Thanks bro! I agree prices have gone nuts. Polaris has never let me down and I've had several.
I like my can am outlander 2022 xmr. I like polaris to but i went to the dark side and i love it!!
Nice!
I’ve never had any issues with my Polaris. Proper maintenance will go a long way and I beat the absolute shit out of my sportsman. I don’t know what all these people are talking about saying that Polaris is shit.
Glad you're having better luck than the rest us.. We had 2 xp1000s neither made it 1000 miles without issues.. That's with proper maintenance too..
@@DirtObseXXion what we’re the issues? Just curious because I just ordered a 2022 xp1000 ultimate trail
@@natekling9108 I bought the 2019 XP1K premium new and replaced every shock and A-arm bushing at 800 miles they were greased every other ride. Replaced all brake pads at 800 miles they were completely shot. The wheel bearings were shot at 942 miles and I avoid mud puddles. After 4 months the steering shaft and linkage had as much slop as a 98 dodge truck. Before it hit 1000 miles the one way bearing went out and seized up causing the entire primary clutch to need replaced then the electronic AWD system went out. I hope you have better luck than me. Needless to say I don’t own a Polaris anymore
@@theviking4525 hopefully I don’t have a horror story like that happen to me because at that point I would be one of the people saying Polaris is shit😂
Agree, my wife and I have always ridden Polaris, I maintain them properly and have had no major issues! But yes the pricing is getting stupid!
Damm you nailed it again did they lower the price of the Sportsman S with the generic shocks
Nope... Raised it by 1,000
You have to understand is that they were on the sleds first so they’re not really meant for an atv I have them on my sled they’re awesome
What were on sleds first? The shocks?
Wow 2018 XP 1000 for less than a Grizzly……….!! Picture that now
The good ole days..
@@DirtObseXXion I love my 2019 Grizzly and wouldn’t mind upgrading to something like a XMR850 but I can’t see it due to how expensive everything is!! I’m not spending 14-15k on an ATV
Not a company like can am 😁😁
I didn't even notice!
Honda TRX450r or Yamaha Raptor 700, which is better for trail riding?
For trail riding it's the Raptor by far... If you want to build an MX or XC racer then the 450r is a good platform
@@DirtObseXXion Okay thank you, I should start saving up for the Raptor
22 Sportsman1000s owner here, and I doubt they’ll do better than the $500 gift card for us. Polaris is probably justifying the lack of WE shocks by knowing the 1000s comes standard with their $600 winch, the LED POD, and LED Bumper Lights. Where as the Scambler is without a winch and has $hitty headlights with 65w bulbs. Not saying that they’re right but just pointing out the differences.
True, but the Scrambler S has better WE suspension with rebound adjustment, a light bar, and better tires.. I don't think the things you listed justify 3k less in suspension
@@DirtObseXXion You are absolutely right, it’s for sure a raw deal…..
I owned the sportsman S model with the supposed nice clicker walkers they were horrible and also yea I think this is totally a good reason to plan ahead and buy CanAm at all cost you won’t get good suspension their either but also plan for 4500$ upgrade soon as you get it and boom happy rider
Hey Brad! Thanks for the input.. You're the 2nd person to say the WE shocks are garbage.. What was up with them?
@@DirtObseXXion I’ll be real, you could take off those shocks and send them into a suspension place get them built into something nice the bodies were useable.
They are Just cheep walker production garbage. They weren’t plush and they bottomed out easy. They needed new valving and a better spring package. Walker suspension has lots of flaws they aren’t that good even their top of the line shit. You can spend money and fix their issues tho. I never built my Polaris because I wasn’t impressed with the motor so I sold it. Tbh tho they could be built onto something great but my CanAm costed 20k in aftermarket to make good and these would be easy 26k that’s on top of the sticker price. Just wish a oem would sell something that came good like when you buy a dirt bike… that to much to ask
I hope Polaris continues to deflate their overinflated reputation.
Lol!
Polaris are junk 👍🏻
Do they still have the ancient on demand drive system
Yes
Now you guys in US are in the same situation as guys in europe, but we in europe never had walkers and front and rear bumpers from the start + sportsman s is 20k $ in europe 😅
Damn... Yeah we prefer that original boat we were in...
Also to add to the list of downgrades for european models:
-No LED podlight, only halogen
-No center brake light
Scrambler 1000s EU Model costs more than US and doesn't have walker evans shocks neither the LED bar in front, so stop crying bro....US customers are always preferred even if the vehicle is foreign....so get over it, they are nice ATV's!!
Not our fault your Libtard governments ruin your economy.. We prefer elitism and expect better products.. Europe sounds shitty, I'll stay in Kentucky 🖕🤠
No one said it's yours or the US populations fault🤦♂️ I'll just leave it here because I see there's no sense discussing on an objective level with you bro😉 have fun out there in Kentucky 😄👍
These S models aren’t my personal flavor either but I would want the best suspension possible especially dropping that much coin
Glad I ride cheap sport quads
Yeah your 450s are super cheap! 🤣🤣🤣
My 400 ex is. 6 dollar oil changes. Adjust the valves every 5 years. And let's not even get into replacing chains over drive shafts and all the stuff that were in the rear. Honda's 450 was a single overhead cam. They last. I own alot of at. I rid my 200s three wheeler over my sportsman on big rides. I don't want to break down an HR from home
@@phillsmith9903 The Viking races IXCR, he built 2 450r this year.. Both ground up re-builds with performance parts so he dropped some coin.. We're gonna follow his season as much as possible on this channel.. If you're not building the crap of them then yes, sportquads are much cheaper.. 👌
S models in them selves have changed the ATV industry. Ride Command is another leap forward by Polaris. If you haven't used Ride Command in an unfamiliar area don't knock it. Its absolutely awesome. Now the shock issue is a different story.
Yeah ride command is definitely a feature some folks will like, but we're hearing from some buyers who have said a lot of the ride command features are turned off the ATVs version. My concern would be the fixed tablet between the bars. A rollover would be an extremely expensive endeavor with one of those.. A mounted GPS might be a little more rigid, although you lose some of the connectivity
Ride Command is nice....til you ride technical step rocks and ledges. It's then you realize...it's not as good as old school push button diff lock.
This is first world problems.
Well, it is an ATV Channel.. Not trying to solve world hunger..
I stopped at a Polaris Dealer and was told by the employee, that he would never pay 15k plus for a quad and suggested that I don't either. He told me that I could get 2 quads for the price of the 1,and better quality 😮...What is going on in the quad world ? I'm going to take his advice and head down to CF Moto I've never heard of them b4 but after doing some research they look worth a try. It will be my first quad. Thanks for the Video.
My last video was on CFMOTO.. There's been a lot of folks happy with them and some stories about some failures.. For the price, a lot folks consider it worth the risk.. My personal preference would be Yamaha or CanAm but they're considerably more expensive
@@DirtObseXXion Im just looking for something that can move a 7x14 enclosed trailer with 2 homeowner grade zero turn mowers in it. With ease. being new to quads I'm kind of lost....Thanks for the time you take to reply.... Is there anything you would recommend, or a certain power level that I should buy to achieve such task ?
@@DirtObseXXion what's your opinion on Kawasaki Brute Force and Suzuki Kingquad because I never see you mention those 2 machines which to most people, they seem to be the best "value" single cylinder and V-Twin. Prior to covid that is. Now everything is insane new or used
@@youngangel615 I've done videos on them.. They're both good machines, I prefer the KQ over the BF because the BF feels more blocky and less agile.. I like the Grizzly over both tho..
@@marcusd6096 How about a Honda Rancher?
I'm happy with my 2012 Honda rancher 420 4x4, ps, foot shift