Ya'll I'm not saying it's odd that Vox and Val were making out or that I didn't know they were making out. 😭 What I meant was, if Val is using that red spit to influence or manipulate others, it seems like he's using it on Vox which was what I found odd and made me wonder if Vox isn't as "in control" of the Vees as he assumes he probably is. It was just a thought/theory 😂
I like to imagine they both think they have each other under control. Like since Vox is a screen he probably can’t smell, probably breathe aswell, anything. And Valentino has terrible eyesight so Vox can’t use his hypnosis thing. I’m pretty sure that’s not what’s happening but if it is I will laugh extremely hard.
Yeah they all represent different ways of manipulation, like you said; through social media, through like news stations (like how untrustworthy they are becoming and or using persuasion tactics), and well.. abuse
Ok so explanation of his red smoke and saliva is because moths have pheromones that are sexual. Which when he blows it in your face your get drowsy etc. And when he licks Charlie's arm he was trying to do that to her, but because shes hell born it didn't work which is why he got so mad. Also fun fact, he squeaks at times just like a real life moth!
In some scenes when Vox and Valentino are communicating together, you can see Val trying to use his smoke/saliva on Vox, but it doesn't work presumably vecause vox is stronger or maybe he's immune because he's a TV. However you can also see in parts when Vox turns his screen brightness up to control Val. It's a subtle thing but because Val is a moth that means he's pretty blind to dark things and when vox gets mad and goes "VAL" and grabs him by the collar you can see his screen glowing brighter with his swirly eye to calm Val down or make him listen. Vox's swirly eye doesn't work on Val unless he turns his brightness up 😋
Vox doesnt do it to "control" Val, its because moths are attracted to light and in that scene, Val wasnt listening to Vox so Vox does that to get Val's attention
Val also closes his eyes when Vox tries the use the eye thing, showing that he’s learned the effects of it and learned how to keep it from happening to him
He also squeaks like a moth! In episode 2 he squeaks in each word in “whole f-cking family!” When he threatening the guy Angel is flirting with. And he squeaks on “Angel” when he asks to speak with him in his room in episode 4
THIS. Val is one of my favorite characters because he's one of the only true villains we've seen in media recently. Like he has no redeeming qualities; just truly an evil character and I love it
Exactly because he’s a moth demon and moths give off pheromones to mate that’s what the red smoke and saliva is the smoke turns red after interacting with his saliva
I love this show's villains- like obviously they are horrible people, but that is why they are such great villains. The writers really know how to write characters, and having the ability to get the audience to hate the villains (myself included as who they are as people) is impressive in itself.
Vox is the leader of the Vees and you can tell based on the fact Velvet calls him twice in the show to report or have him fix things. Val also works with Velvet to make and sell a love potion which is what was put in angels drink before the loser baby number. They use vals saliva to make that potion so he is literally poison and uses his saliva and in turn the smoke to control people. Also! I believe it has been confirmed that vox and val have an on again off again toxic relationship and thats why theyre so touchy feely with eachother and why you see vox have the red saliva however occasionally vox does just have a red glitch on his face so its hard to tell which it is sometimes
I see Vox more as the one who mediates things because he's the most level-headed and the best at damage control. I don't think he's the boss any more than any of the other two, but he's just the one who has to kind of be the voice of reason because Velvette is... well, she's feisty and doesn't give a f*ck. And Valentino is a very powerful manchild with aggressive tendencies, a short temper, and a fragile ego. Actually, you have to also remember that Alastor says Vox would be "powerless without the other Vees". And remember that Velvette said, in her own words, that she is "the backbone of the Vees". They seem more like Vox is the image, Velvette is the tactics, and Val is the physical aspect. They need to work together, so it doesn't seem to me that one would be the boss of the others.
@@sammjaisais7135 well the way I see it is like vox is basically a figure head I guess. The building they're in is his to my understanding and the other vees just have areas in it. Also Vox is the one who invited Alastor to join him and it felt like no one else would make those decisions without consulting vox first. I definitely agree that the other Vees are vital and important and of course Vox would be nothing without the other Vees between the 3 of them they control everything if they weren't working together they wouldn't have nearly enough power especially because they'd be constantly fighting and stealing from each other. So the group makes sense strategically and personality wise but I still feel the power dynamic especially between Vox and Val when Vox is talking down to Val and loses his shit on him. And while they are all important and they wouldn't be as strong without each other Velvet still went to that meeting *for* Vox because he decided he was too important to go that's definitely something he would send a trusted underling to do. It feels very Vox is the leader Velvet is right hand and Vox is the loose cannon that only listens to Vox. To me it felt like this power dynamic was very obvious but ig I may have paid too much attention to Vox and Alastor since they're going against each other and I assumed most powerful vs most powerful
Oh, I'm sorry if I come off as rude but when did she say toxic on and off? I can only remember that she said they were on and off. If the toxic part comes from the Instagram pages viv said they were no longer official because people started assuming that vox and val were toxic. No hate or anything just genuinely curious.
@@SM0RT13 no I think you are totally correct! I heard a lot of it from shorts with screenshots of what Viv said but I also just assumed they'd be toxic together. I feel like based on their personalities there wouldn't be a chance they weren't toxic but I don't think that they are both so toxic that the others toxicity doesn't bother them. That's all totally opinion tho!
If you pause somewhere in the scene right before the song Loser, Baby, you see an ad for “Love Potion by Velvette”, with a very Valentino moth motif, which seems to be the same bottle that the shark uses to attempt to drug Angel. All the characters be bleeding and drooling all the time, but Valentino does a lot, and I definitely agree with you that it’s literally an aphrodisiac.
That sort of "blood dripping from his lips" Thing seems to only come out when Vox or Val are incredibly emotional. I feel like it could just be a visible sign of madness given that Al's lips also drip three lines of blood when he's going demon mode in "Stayed Gone", but it could also be something unique to The Vs, but we haven't seen Velvet truly pissed yet
It’s a way to control Angel in a way. I love Val tho, actions are terrible but my god is he a good villain character and I can’t wait to see his face when Angel if Angel ever can break that contract
FINALLY PEOPLE WHO GET IT! My friends just look at me like I'm crazy when I mention his character and how I like how's he's constructed Edit: also, he's kinda funny. That's one of the only personality likeable traits
He is SO well constructed it’s insane!!! if you are able to write a character which creates so much hate towards them and that’s how it’s meant to be you are on a good track towards a successful show or book or whatever you are writing
The thing about Valentino is that he’s SUCH A GOOD FUCKING CHARACTER. It’s not fair how well written he is! He’s SUCH a good portrayal of an abuser that I can’t help but applaud the writers!
YES! Someone who understands me! Val is a well-written character. He is a villain probably intended to be hated, so they did a pretty damn good job. That's why I root for Val (but not Val's actions)
@@Ulibear13 RIGHT? People hate Valentino and like so do I, but he’s SO FUCKING DETAILED. He’s absolutely not my favourite character, that has to go to Sir Pentious, beating Alastor by a smudge due to the Vivziepop racism controversy, but Val is actually top 5 because of how fucking well written he is
@@Ulibear13 I feel like I’m going to get killed for just saying I like him sometimes because people assume I like him fully. I don’t like that he’s a rapist and a manipulator. I do like how accurately he portrayed both of these things though! I wish media knew how to accurately portray abusers like Hazbin did!
Vox also drools red spit when he's excited. I think it's just a normal thing demons do- besides I don't see Val being smart enough to manipulate the other vees
I feel like the Vees are mutually manipulative. Right before Stayed Gone Vox is manipulating Val into not going after Angel and causing a scene. He even seems to subtly be using his powers on him at two distinct points. Then Val turns it around and manipulates Vox into being the one to make a big public spectacle of himself. Velvet is a Lot more subtle in her manipulations and seems to only use it to get the other two to rely on her for small things or boss them around to solve small issues she has.
Moths have pheromones they release so that’s the smoke, it helps him control people because it technically is poison to others. For the saliva being on both Vox and Angel, well. It’s confirmed that Vox and Val have a toxic off and on fling, at the end of ep 8, it shows Velvette taking a picture of herself, Val, and Vox and the two are making out. It’s also shown that Val kisses Angel so I think it’s just his saliva in general
Idk if anyone mentioned but if you note that Val when he smokes the smoke is grey on the cigarette but when he exhaled it’s red I love that detail it shows his power very subtle
If you look in the background of Vals room there is a poster with him and it says love potion, Val and Velvette created it. Val drinks ot and smokes it and when he breathes the smoke on Angel and kisses Angel it controls Angel, in the poison song you see Angel being consumed by the red smoke. The song poison is literally talking about Poison that Val is using on Angel. Vox and Val are on and off, you cab see them kissing at the end of the series and Vox seems happy and he he asks if Angel quit the job. I have a theory that Vox, doesn't like how much time Val spends with Angel bc Vox wants Val. But idk just my thoughts
Val, as a moth demon produces a pheromone that can make others high, giving the look of lightheadedness and such. He actually worked with someone to make the love potions, like what was seen being poured into Angel Dust's drink in one of the episodes.
@@lilithlunovaOO OO OO- So- Val DOES work with Velvette to create the “love potions”. Also wanted to share a fun fact that, in helluva boss s2 e6, Asmodeus and Stolas have a conversation. At one point during the convo, Ozzy brings up how he doesn’t deal with “artificial bullshit” (quote: Asmodeus) love potions. I found this really cool when I watched Hazbin Hotel, as it’s now obvious he was referring to Valentino’s love potions! :)
For the saliva, it’s actually used as a sort of drug/love potion. If you pay attention you’ll see a poster in the background of one of the episodes (not sure which soz) that has a ad of Velvette selling a ‘love potion’ which is literally just Val’s spit
there's an ad somewhere in the background for "love potion by velvette" but theres also Val on the poster. also the date-r4pe drug they try to use on Angel in ep4 (which Husk prevents) looks a lot like Vals spit......
VOX definiert is the leader of the V‘s for how powerful he definitely is, despite this tho, Valentino does seem to have his way with him, even on their official Instagram once, he even broke Vox screen when they have gotten into a fight
True! However, the instagrams were declared to no longer be canon; so we don’t really know for sure if their relationship is canonically that volatile anymore, but it very well could still be! We’ll likely find out in season two, given Viv has confirmed the Vee’s are going to be the main antagonists in the next season. We’ll probably see a lot more of the Vee’s dynamics then :> Maybe we’ll even get a bit of their history given the second season is also confirmed to talk about a few characters backstories, but maybe that’ll just be the main cast. I’m not sure, but regardless it’s pretty exciting! :]
It's supposed to be like Moth pheromones, and Velvette even uses it to make "Love Potions" which someone tries to use on Angel in the club before Husk rescues him. Not necessarily poison in the traditional sense, but definitely toxic
I’m pretty sure that someone on Reddit pointed out that Valentino’s design matches one of a posioness moth (he is a moth based demon if you didn’t know). I don’t remember what the moth is called, but like him, it’s mainly blue and red. So yes, he is potential posioness. Also, please do KeeKee (the cat/key thing :)
@@LelaStudios if my research is correct, he seems to look like/possibly be based on a Faithful Beauty Moth, which is a mainly blue moth with red and black accents + white spots.
The red smoke and drool are his pheromones which basically an extreme toxicating drug affect the reason it doesn’t work on Charlie is obviously she is way more powerful than him and for Angel it does work but it’s more of the effect of normal drugs due to Angel being a spider (apparently specifically a jumping spider)
Early concepts show that Vox had sold his soul to Valentino (watch "Eyes on Me" and "Valentino" a couple of music videos commisoned to draw hype for Hazbin, the latter being a duet with Angel). This season made it seem like its changed to a heavy business partnership so itll be interesting if this concept rears up again.
I'm pretty sure Vox does the same thing on like episode 2, he uses his powers to control Valentino and force him not to attack the hotel... yet I'm pretty sure the 3 of them do that to each other all the time, I wonder if that will be their downfall
idk about the drool, much... maybe on Val it means something... Vox does it when he gets really rankled... but so does Alastor when he cranks up the demonic look, but now I'm blanking on if that is also red or another color perhaps. probably not demonic rabies though.
Valentino has pheromones since he’s a moth, so that’s likely what it is. Also he and Vox have an on again off again thing as stated. Vivzie herself. I honestly think Vox is the one always in charge, just with how he acts and all, especially episode two.
I've seen another theory but its mainly on the spit, it states that theres a poster in part of the show with velvette and val promoting some potion which they theorize is a love potion and the love potion is red like the potion in the poster and also red like vals spit so they think hes controlling people with the love potion but idk if this is right or not
Well, Valentino is not using Vox per say. They’re in a secret relationship (I think), and Angel doesn’t really want to accept it (he’s not happy with it) cause Valentino is most likely actually Angel’s boyfriend. With that in mind, the voice recordings/voicemails that Val sent Angel; would make more sense. For those who don’t know, in one of episodes Angel scrolls through his phone, as he then listens to the bombardment(?) of voicemails Valentino sent him. some sweet and kind, some screaming and cussing him out (Also!: The spit & smoke acts a pheromone that means people dizzy. *or* quote in quote “dissociate [, disappear]”, makes people “out of it” basically. (also sorry for a sucky comment, it’s super weird typing in press-on nails😭❤️))
^ exactly as the reply above me said! I think if that were still the case we probably would have seen it or at least we wouldn’t have seen Vox so willing to shout at and talk down to Valentino. Vox seems to have somewhat of a leash on Val’s emotions and seems helpful in calming him down more than anything so far, but we’ll see! Maybe I’m wrong and we just didn’t get to see enough of their dynamic this season but according to Viv The Vees are going to likely be the main antagonists in season two so we’ll probably find out then what their relationship is truly like :)
Vox came in to hell first, then Valentino, then velvet, and they all control or manipulate people through something vox controls people through TV, velvet controls people through social media, and Valentino controls people through the poison or the red smoke and that’s what angel dust is singing about
AHHHH I LOVE YOUR ART! I LOVE SEEING ALL THE CHARACTERS IN YOUR STYLE! And another thing with the red drippy stuff from the mouths, it’s not just Val and Vox. If you rewatch Stayed Gone with Vox and Alastor, at the end when Alastor turns into his demon form, he also has drippy stuff coming out of his mouth!
the poison angel was singing about is the saliva out of Val’s mouth. If you look closely at so e of the billboards in the background of episode four you can see velvet and Valentino made a love potion the same one that the shark tried to drug angel with and the biggest theory right now is that, thats vals poison and how he controls people with it and it can make then dizzy
The red dribble thing on Vox at the end of the song is not Valentino’s poison it’s a sort of thing when overlords going to full demon mode. Alestor has the same red thing coming out of his mouth at the end of a song he sings.
Val IS actually somewhat poisonous, we c that whenever valentino smokes, the smoke comes out red. We also c that when val blows the smoke onto angel then angel becomes dizzy and faint.
Val is a moth demon, moths saliva, if swallowed, can turn someone very sick. We c the affects of the saliva when val kisses angel dust. Hope this helps
Apparently Velvette also sells love potions advertized in some background shots, I've seen fans theorizing that Velvette's love potion might be his venom. Moths apparently do have venom, according to the theory video I saw.
I definitely think this theory is correct! Its a cool feature because moths also have it, and it’s fun that they added that! I love how he looks in your style!! I’m not sure what it is, but it makes him look like a decent character.
The smoke is a big part of his powers. If you notice in Angel Dust’s episode Val actually lights a cigarette and uses it’s smoke to create the chain he uses to bind Angel. It’s actually pretty interesting.
I love Val bc his design and how this show shows him as the real abuser/rapist act like. Oh and Val is a moth that means the poison is good choice for his character.
In angel’s other sing, Addict,he sings a line (correct me if I am wrong) “so what if I’m overdosed and ended up comotosed” while he sings this, the visuals depict that Val smokes his cigarette into angel’s face and angel looks a bit woozy 🥴 this is because moths have pheromones which they give off and in the show, they are made into the smoke in his cigarette, this is what Val uses to control/influence people.
Pretty much as far as I’ve gotten, Val’s saliva/smoke is pretty much a roofie in itself. And from other comments mentioning the fun facts about moth pheromones and recalling that he’s a moth, it makes a lot of sense with a moth motif, and him being a sourly abusive pile of trash. Hope that helps! :).
The red lines like what Vix has also appear on Alastor those a re likely some indicator of number of souls owned. But Valentino does have special saliva that seems to be highly addictive.
I'm so mad too tho because he's hot okay? Like I know some can admit, his design is STUNNING and he's a hottie like sir marry me but I just wish he wasn't abusive or at least had a redemption arch good enough to make him less hated 😞
Alastor also has that red dribble thing during the end of Stayed Gone. I’m pretty sure it’s just a sign that overlords are getting angry or some other strong negative emotion. We don’t really see it on others as they are more level-headed. It could also represent other things. For val, it could be his saliva, Vox’s could be a tv glitch of some sort, and Alastor’s, it could be blood, as he is a cannibal
I just hope Vox doesn’t get too hurt, I get some people don’t like him but he’s one of if not my favorite and although I’d hate it and would cry, it does make sense Valentino would somewhat be manipulative to him Love ur art vids :’3
Ya'll I'm not saying it's odd that Vox and Val were making out or that I didn't know they were making out. 😭 What I meant was, if Val is using that red spit to influence or manipulate others, it seems like he's using it on Vox which was what I found odd and made me wonder if Vox isn't as "in control" of the Vees as he assumes he probably is. It was just a thought/theory 😂
I mean they do in canon make out. At the end of the last episode before the cams go to sir pentious there's a second where they show them doing that-.
@@_V4ggie_Yes, they’re saying that they already know that, and that everyone is missing the point by only focusing on that alone.
@@nakodile ohhhh, okay I see.
I like to imagine they both think they have each other under control. Like since Vox is a screen he probably can’t smell, probably breathe aswell, anything. And Valentino has terrible eyesight so Vox can’t use his hypnosis thing.
I’m pretty sure that’s not what’s happening but if it is I will laugh extremely hard.
The idea of him making out with a tv screen is hilarious
All of the Vees can control ppl. Velvette with her phone, Vox with his eye/voice and Valentino with his smoke/saliva
Yeah they all represent different ways of manipulation, like you said; through social media, through like news stations (like how untrustworthy they are becoming and or using persuasion tactics), and well.. abuse
I think someone also mentioned that Valentino makes the love potions the Vees sell as well.
It’s actually his saliva. Some proof is when he licked Charlie and she wasn’t affected he was legitimately surprised
Val’s power his his love saliva, making people more out of control, lustful, and in love. His saliva makes the love potions
@@JustAnotherAppolevalentinos manipulation would prob be emotional manipulation, guilt tripping Angel dust and also mental manipulation
Ok so explanation of his red smoke and saliva is because moths have pheromones that are sexual. Which when he blows it in your face your get drowsy etc. And when he licks Charlie's arm he was trying to do that to her, but because shes hell born it didn't work which is why he got so mad. Also fun fact, he squeaks at times just like a real life moth!
I thought he was another spider. I didn't know he was a moth.
@@ToxicCatt-y7cHOW WHY!???
His cape is his wings. Aka a moth. 😋
@@Thelucky_ducky I didn’t know his cape was wings. 💀 thought it was part of his pimp look.
@@ToxicCatt-y7cdid you even watch episode 4? It very blantedly shows his wings as he puts out the fire
In some scenes when Vox and Valentino are communicating together, you can see Val trying to use his smoke/saliva on Vox, but it doesn't work presumably vecause vox is stronger or maybe he's immune because he's a TV. However you can also see in parts when Vox turns his screen brightness up to control Val. It's a subtle thing but because Val is a moth that means he's pretty blind to dark things and when vox gets mad and goes "VAL" and grabs him by the collar you can see his screen glowing brighter with his swirly eye to calm Val down or make him listen. Vox's swirly eye doesn't work on Val unless he turns his brightness up 😋
Vox doesnt do it to "control" Val, its because moths are attracted to light and in that scene, Val wasnt listening to Vox so Vox does that to get Val's attention
Val also closes his eyes when Vox tries the use the eye thing, showing that he’s learned the effects of it and learned how to keep it from happening to him
Val is a moth demon and prduces pheromones which is causing angel dust to go lightheaded in some scenes
Came here to comment exactly this
Agreed & want to add his siliva is the love potion stuff from ep4 the V³s bottle it and sell it the stuff
@@grimm516 they attempted to drug angels drink with it but husk stopped them. Shows how powerful overlords could be
He also squeaks like a moth!
In episode 2 he squeaks in each word in “whole f-cking family!” When he threatening the guy Angel is flirting with. And he squeaks on “Angel” when he asks to speak with him in his room in episode 4
You have learned well traveler
Val is arguably the best villain in the show he was so well written he got the entire fandom to want to see his head on a stick
THIS. Val is one of my favorite characters because he's one of the only true villains we've seen in media recently. Like he has no redeeming qualities; just truly an evil character and I love it
It's his power cause notice how angel dust gets dizzy with it
Exactly because he’s a moth demon and moths give off pheromones to mate that’s what the red smoke and saliva is the smoke turns red after interacting with his saliva
Wait WHAT!? @@artshowcreeper1978
I love this show's villains- like obviously they are horrible people, but that is why they are such great villains. The writers really know how to write characters, and having the ability to get the audience to hate the villains (myself included as who they are as people) is impressive in itself.
Vox is the leader of the Vees and you can tell based on the fact Velvet calls him twice in the show to report or have him fix things. Val also works with Velvet to make and sell a love potion which is what was put in angels drink before the loser baby number. They use vals saliva to make that potion so he is literally poison and uses his saliva and in turn the smoke to control people. Also! I believe it has been confirmed that vox and val have an on again off again toxic relationship and thats why theyre so touchy feely with eachother and why you see vox have the red saliva however occasionally vox does just have a red glitch on his face so its hard to tell which it is sometimes
I see Vox more as the one who mediates things because he's the most level-headed and the best at damage control. I don't think he's the boss any more than any of the other two, but he's just the one who has to kind of be the voice of reason because Velvette is... well, she's feisty and doesn't give a f*ck. And Valentino is a very powerful manchild with aggressive tendencies, a short temper, and a fragile ego. Actually, you have to also remember that Alastor says Vox would be "powerless without the other Vees". And remember that Velvette said, in her own words, that she is "the backbone of the Vees". They seem more like Vox is the image, Velvette is the tactics, and Val is the physical aspect. They need to work together, so it doesn't seem to me that one would be the boss of the others.
I headcannon that they all think themselves as the leaders but.
@@sammjaisais7135 well the way I see it is like vox is basically a figure head I guess. The building they're in is his to my understanding and the other vees just have areas in it. Also Vox is the one who invited Alastor to join him and it felt like no one else would make those decisions without consulting vox first. I definitely agree that the other Vees are vital and important and of course Vox would be nothing without the other Vees between the 3 of them they control everything if they weren't working together they wouldn't have nearly enough power especially because they'd be constantly fighting and stealing from each other. So the group makes sense strategically and personality wise but I still feel the power dynamic especially between Vox and Val when Vox is talking down to Val and loses his shit on him. And while they are all important and they wouldn't be as strong without each other Velvet still went to that meeting *for* Vox because he decided he was too important to go that's definitely something he would send a trusted underling to do. It feels very Vox is the leader Velvet is right hand and Vox is the loose cannon that only listens to Vox. To me it felt like this power dynamic was very obvious but ig I may have paid too much attention to Vox and Alastor since they're going against each other and I assumed most powerful vs most powerful
Oh, I'm sorry if I come off as rude but when did she say toxic on and off? I can only remember that she said they were on and off. If the toxic part comes from the Instagram pages viv said they were no longer official because people started assuming that vox and val were toxic. No hate or anything just genuinely curious.
@@SM0RT13 no I think you are totally correct! I heard a lot of it from shorts with screenshots of what Viv said but I also just assumed they'd be toxic together. I feel like based on their personalities there wouldn't be a chance they weren't toxic but I don't think that they are both so toxic that the others toxicity doesn't bother them. That's all totally opinion tho!
The more powerful you are the harder it is to control you, the kiss vox gets basically just gives him a buzz, but to angel it makes him lethargic
I'm pretty sure that his power is his salvia, I watched something about it and the Wiki page has some things about it I think
Yup, Velvette uses it to make her 'love' potion. Kinda like r**fies. (Idk if I spelled it right, but I hope you get my point.
@@Emm3342this happens in ep4 befor husker throws that dude at a wall
@@grimm516 I know. I was adding to the conversation
@@Emm3342 absolutely ;)
FINALLY SHE DRAWS VAL! HE LOOKS AWESOME IN YOUR ART STYLE!
If you pause somewhere in the scene right before the song Loser, Baby, you see an ad for “Love Potion by Velvette”, with a very Valentino moth motif, which seems to be the same bottle that the shark uses to attempt to drug Angel. All the characters be bleeding and drooling all the time, but Valentino does a lot, and I definitely agree with you that it’s literally an aphrodisiac.
That sort of "blood dripping from his lips" Thing seems to only come out when Vox or Val are incredibly emotional. I feel like it could just be a visible sign of madness given that Al's lips also drip three lines of blood when he's going demon mode in "Stayed Gone", but it could also be something unique to The Vs, but we haven't seen Velvet truly pissed yet
It’s a way to control Angel in a way. I love Val tho, actions are terrible but my god is he a good villain character and I can’t wait to see his face when Angel if Angel ever can break that contract
Dude, Val is *such* a good villain. I love the way he talks
FINALLY PEOPLE WHO GET IT! My friends just look at me like I'm crazy when I mention his character and how I like how's he's constructed
Edit: also, he's kinda funny. That's one of the only personality likeable traits
The ONLY valid reason tho like this character 👍
We all love to hate Val which is totally another win for Viv!
He is SO well constructed it’s insane!!! if you are able to write a character which creates so much hate towards them and that’s how it’s meant to be you are on a good track towards a successful show or book or whatever you are writing
Val’s saliva is the stuff velvette made the “love potion” out of. The vees are all about mind control so I most definitely has the abilities of such
The thing about Valentino is that he’s SUCH A GOOD FUCKING CHARACTER. It’s not fair how well written he is! He’s SUCH a good portrayal of an abuser that I can’t help but applaud the writers!
You know that when you fucking hate a character’s guts as much as the fandom does, it’s a good villain. 😭
YES! Someone who understands me! Val is a well-written character. He is a villain probably intended to be hated, so they did a pretty damn good job. That's why I root for Val (but not Val's actions)
@@Ulibear13 RIGHT? People hate Valentino and like so do I, but he’s SO FUCKING DETAILED. He’s absolutely not my favourite character, that has to go to Sir Pentious, beating Alastor by a smudge due to the Vivziepop racism controversy, but Val is actually top 5 because of how fucking well written he is
@@Sinatragaze YESSS!
@@Ulibear13 I feel like I’m going to get killed for just saying I like him sometimes because people assume I like him fully. I don’t like that he’s a rapist and a manipulator. I do like how accurately he portrayed both of these things though! I wish media knew how to accurately portray abusers like Hazbin did!
The red drooling is something that appears in Alastor too, particularly when he transforms.
It is bloode 😅
Actually, the red saliva is the Love potion, we see it in a poster while Valentino and Vox are talking in the second or first episode. 👍
His smoke has mind Control habilites, like vox screen powers
this looks so good
Vox also drools red spit when he's excited. I think it's just a normal thing demons do- besides I don't see Val being smart enough to manipulate the other vees
Doesn't Alastor also have the red spit in Stayed gone?
@@Roseline-wolfyeah but it's definitely meant to be blood lol
Figured.
@@evildrporkchop4628 seems to happen with each overlord though, might just be a power thing
I feel like the Vees are mutually manipulative. Right before Stayed Gone Vox is manipulating Val into not going after Angel and causing a scene. He even seems to subtly be using his powers on him at two distinct points. Then Val turns it around and manipulates Vox into being the one to make a big public spectacle of himself. Velvet is a Lot more subtle in her manipulations and seems to only use it to get the other two to rely on her for small things or boss them around to solve small issues she has.
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Draw katie killjoy next? Love the art!!
I FUGGIN LOVE HIM OMG
Ong same
Hopefully you meant the design...
Moths have pheromones they release so that’s the smoke, it helps him control people because it technically is poison to others. For the saliva being on both Vox and Angel, well. It’s confirmed that Vox and Val have a toxic off and on fling, at the end of ep 8, it shows Velvette taking a picture of herself, Val, and Vox and the two are making out. It’s also shown that Val kisses Angel so I think it’s just his saliva in general
I absolutely adore your art style 😭
That would make so much sense, I love your view on everything so much
Idk if anyone mentioned but if you note that Val when he smokes the smoke is grey on the cigarette but when he exhaled it’s red I love that detail it shows his power very subtle
Fun fact Moths have a special scent to attract mates so Val can be using that to control Angel with his smoke and spit!
If you look in the background of Vals room there is a poster with him and it says love potion, Val and Velvette created it. Val drinks ot and smokes it and when he breathes the smoke on Angel and kisses Angel it controls Angel, in the poison song you see Angel being consumed by the red smoke. The song poison is literally talking about Poison that Val is using on Angel. Vox and Val are on and off, you cab see them kissing at the end of the series and Vox seems happy and he he asks if Angel quit the job. I have a theory that Vox, doesn't like how much time Val spends with Angel bc Vox wants Val. But idk just my thoughts
Vox doesn’t like angel because angel destroy the vees image
Val, as a moth demon produces a pheromone that can make others high, giving the look of lightheadedness and such. He actually worked with someone to make the love potions, like what was seen being poured into Angel Dust's drink in one of the episodes.
i think val works with velvette, if im not wrong.
@@yaya.cor.1218 I couldn't remember if he worked with Velvet or with Asmodeus
@@lilithlunovaOO OO OO- So- Val DOES work with Velvette to create the “love potions”. Also wanted to share a fun fact that, in helluva boss s2 e6, Asmodeus and Stolas have a conversation. At one point during the convo, Ozzy brings up how he doesn’t deal with “artificial bullshit” (quote: Asmodeus) love potions. I found this really cool when I watched Hazbin Hotel, as it’s now obvious he was referring to Valentino’s love potions! :)
Nice lashes Val!
Vals red smoke and spit is a love potion,it is very addicting,that's why angle made the song Poison.
Okay....I-LOVE-YOUR-DRAWING-STYLE
For the saliva, it’s actually used as a sort of drug/love potion. If you pay attention you’ll see a poster in the background of one of the episodes (not sure which soz) that has a ad of Velvette selling a ‘love potion’ which is literally just Val’s spit
there's an ad somewhere in the background for "love potion by velvette" but theres also Val on the poster. also the date-r4pe drug they try to use on Angel in ep4 (which Husk prevents) looks a lot like Vals spit......
VOX definiert is the leader of the V‘s for how powerful he definitely is, despite this tho, Valentino does seem to have his way with him, even on their official Instagram once, he even broke Vox screen when they have gotten into a fight
True! However, the instagrams were declared to no longer be canon; so we don’t really know for sure if their relationship is canonically that volatile anymore, but it very well could still be! We’ll likely find out in season two, given Viv has confirmed the Vee’s are going to be the main antagonists in the next season. We’ll probably see a lot more of the Vee’s dynamics then :>
Maybe we’ll even get a bit of their history given the second season is also confirmed to talk about a few characters backstories, but maybe that’ll just be the main cast. I’m not sure, but regardless it’s pretty exciting! :]
Val is such a well written character, hes one of my favs.
Ew
@@amandamyers7382 ??
It's supposed to be like Moth pheromones, and Velvette even uses it to make "Love Potions" which someone tries to use on Angel in the club before Husk rescues him. Not necessarily poison in the traditional sense, but definitely toxic
Valentino is my absolute favorite character. LOVE HIM! And you made him look so good!
Each of the Vees has their own way to control people: Vox with his mind control, Valentino with his saliva, and Velvette with her social media
WOW I LOVE IT YOUR VALENTINO ART DRAWING DESIGN I'M GOING TO PUT HIM ON MY MANGA STORIES IDEAS IT'S GOING TO BE WICKED.
I’m pretty sure that someone on Reddit pointed out that Valentino’s design matches one of a posioness moth (he is a moth based demon if you didn’t know). I don’t remember what the moth is called, but like him, it’s mainly blue and red.
So yes, he is potential posioness.
Also, please do KeeKee (the cat/key thing :)
omg thats so cool! I didn't know there were poisonous moths!
@@LelaStudios yeah, it’s crazy when you look into it. I’ll go and find out right now which moth it is
@@LelaStudios if my research is correct, he seems to look like/possibly be based on a Faithful Beauty Moth, which is a mainly blue moth with red and black accents + white spots.
Even if Val was hated, the way Lela draws him is beautiful
could you draw lilith next? i know we dont see her full face in the show but we see it through portraits and i think she'd look amazing in your style
I think the red smoke is supposed to be like pheromones. It would fit with Valentino's moth theme.
I think the saliva kinda acts like a love potion (corrected me if I’m wrong)
The red stuff comes out of all of the characters or atleast some of the overlords mouth and lucifer had the same thing once too
You should really do redeemed sir penceas with the egg boiz please .
I love your art ❤
The red smoke and drool are his pheromones which basically an extreme toxicating drug affect the reason it doesn’t work on Charlie is obviously she is way more powerful than him and for Angel it does work but it’s more of the effect of normal drugs due to Angel being a spider (apparently specifically a jumping spider)
Egg bois next please!
lol maybe?? Not sure what I would say about them 😅
@@LelaStudiosThey are voiced by Angel Dust’s actor
Yeah good point about the talking about them lol I don’t know there’s not much about the egg boiz other then they say random things
Lovely piece, I suggest using whiteout or paint for the lens shine of the glasses.
I love all your drawings, you're my favorite cartoonist
Everyone is so gorgeous in your style ❤
Valentino looks so good in your art style
Early concepts show that Vox had sold his soul to Valentino (watch "Eyes on Me" and "Valentino" a couple of music videos commisoned to draw hype for Hazbin, the latter being a duet with Angel). This season made it seem like its changed to a heavy business partnership so itll be interesting if this concept rears up again.
I'm pretty sure Vox does the same thing on like episode 2, he uses his powers to control Valentino and force him not to attack the hotel... yet
I'm pretty sure the 3 of them do that to each other all the time, I wonder if that will be their downfall
idk about the drool, much...
maybe on Val it means something...
Vox does it when he gets really rankled...
but so does Alastor when he cranks up the demonic look, but now I'm blanking on if that is also red or another color perhaps.
probably not demonic rabies though.
Valentino has pheromones since he’s a moth, so that’s likely what it is. Also he and Vox have an on again off again thing as stated. Vivzie herself. I honestly think Vox is the one always in charge, just with how he acts and all, especially episode two.
I've seen another theory but its mainly on the spit, it states that theres a poster in part of the show with velvette and val promoting some potion which they theorize is a love potion and the love potion is red like the potion in the poster and also red like vals spit so they think hes controlling people with the love potion but idk if this is right or not
Well, Valentino is not using Vox per say. They’re in a secret relationship (I think), and Angel doesn’t really want to accept it (he’s not happy with it) cause Valentino is most likely actually Angel’s boyfriend. With that in mind, the voice recordings/voicemails that Val sent Angel; would make more sense. For those who don’t know, in one of episodes Angel scrolls through his phone, as he then listens to the bombardment(?) of voicemails Valentino sent him. some sweet and kind, some screaming and cussing him out (Also!: The spit & smoke acts a pheromone that means people dizzy. *or* quote in quote “dissociate [, disappear]”, makes people “out of it” basically. (also sorry for a sucky comment, it’s super weird typing in press-on nails😭❤️))
Im so glade you kept him bald 😭😭😭 i also absolutely adore your nails!!! They look adorable
In the old Instagram accounts, it was shown that val was physically abusive enough with Vox that he smashed his screen.
yep, but they aren’t canon anymore!!
^ exactly as the reply above me said! I think if that were still the case we probably would have seen it or at least we wouldn’t have seen Vox so willing to shout at and talk down to Valentino. Vox seems to have somewhat of a leash on Val’s emotions and seems helpful in calming him down more than anything so far, but we’ll see! Maybe I’m wrong and we just didn’t get to see enough of their dynamic this season but according to Viv The Vees are going to likely be the main antagonists in season two so we’ll probably find out then what their relationship is truly like :)
@@androgynous_artist I mean. They were making out in the finale
YOUR NAILS ARE GORGEOUS
Vox came in to hell first, then Valentino, then velvet, and they all control or manipulate people through something vox controls people through TV, velvet controls people through social media, and Valentino controls people through the poison or the red smoke and that’s what angel dust is singing about
AHHHH I LOVE YOUR ART! I LOVE SEEING ALL THE CHARACTERS IN YOUR STYLE! And another thing with the red drippy stuff from the mouths, it’s not just Val and Vox. If you rewatch Stayed Gone with Vox and Alastor, at the end when Alastor turns into his demon form, he also has drippy stuff coming out of his mouth!
Please draw razzle and dazzle, or keekee
Or the egg boiz
Your sooo good at drawing ❤❤
Tbh Valentino is my favorite character
You did too much justice making Valentino look SO GOOD 🤤
He would look different if he was human again
Valentino: *exists*
Hazbin Hotel Fans: ALRIGHT EVERYONE GOT THEIR PITCH FORKES READY?
im so glad im not the only one who calls a really good song a bop
He's my favorite. You can never prove me wrong.
I love him in ur style its so gorgous what??? 😍
Bakugo or stolas?
the poison angel was singing about is the saliva out of Val’s mouth. If you look closely at so e of the billboards in the background of episode four you can see velvet and Valentino made a love potion the same one that the shark tried to drug angel with and the biggest theory right now is that, thats vals poison and how he controls people with it and it can make then dizzy
The red dribble thing on Vox at the end of the song is not Valentino’s poison it’s a sort of thing when overlords going to full demon mode. Alestor has the same red thing coming out of his mouth at the end of a song he sings.
Val IS actually somewhat poisonous, we c that whenever valentino smokes, the smoke comes out red. We also c that when val blows the smoke onto angel then angel becomes dizzy and faint.
Val is a moth demon, moths saliva, if swallowed, can turn someone very sick. We c the affects of the saliva when val kisses angel dust. Hope this helps
I think Vox is the leader. He was the first member,so he made the Vees.
Apparently Velvette also sells love potions advertized in some background shots, I've seen fans theorizing that Velvette's love potion might be his venom. Moths apparently do have venom, according to the theory video I saw.
The visuals are sad but they're so good 😭😭😭😭😭
YOU CANNOT LEAVE OUT RAZZLE AND DAZZLE AND KEEKEE!!!
I definitely think this theory is correct! Its a cool feature because moths also have it, and it’s fun that they added that! I love how he looks in your style!! I’m not sure what it is, but it makes him look like a decent character.
these control powers w the vees is gonna make a weird final battle next season as vees are the main villains
I really love your videos and they've given me so much inspiration to work harder on my art. Never stop being amazing♡♡
Val is a moth. Mothes have pheromones. That's the reasoning behind the spit and smoke that makes you woozy
The smoke is a big part of his powers. If you notice in Angel Dust’s episode Val actually lights a cigarette and uses it’s smoke to create the chain he uses to bind Angel. It’s actually pretty interesting.
Wow you cooked sm with this one
Hes acually just doing what he had angel sighn upk for find out mlre in more episodes!!
I love Val bc his design and how this show shows him as the real abuser/rapist act like. Oh and Val is a moth that means the poison is good choice for his character.
In angel’s other sing, Addict,he sings a line (correct me if I am wrong) “so what if I’m overdosed and ended up comotosed” while he sings this, the visuals depict that Val smokes his cigarette into angel’s face and angel looks a bit woozy 🥴 this is because moths have pheromones which they give off and in the show, they are made into the smoke in his cigarette, this is what Val uses to control/influence people.
Pretty much as far as I’ve gotten, Val’s saliva/smoke is pretty much a roofie in itself. And from other comments mentioning the fun facts about moth pheromones and recalling that he’s a moth, it makes a lot of sense with a moth motif, and him being a sourly abusive pile of trash. Hope that helps! :).
The red lines like what Vix has also appear on Alastor those a re likely some indicator of number of souls owned. But Valentino does have special saliva that seems to be highly addictive.
I'm so mad too tho because he's hot okay? Like I know some can admit, his design is STUNNING and he's a hottie like sir marry me but I just wish he wasn't abusive or at least had a redemption arch good enough to make him less hated 😞
Alastor also has that red dribble thing during the end of Stayed Gone. I’m pretty sure it’s just a sign that overlords are getting angry or some other strong negative emotion. We don’t really see it on others as they are more level-headed. It could also represent other things. For val, it could be his saliva, Vox’s could be a tv glitch of some sort, and Alastor’s, it could be blood, as he is a cannibal
the red spit or whatever can also be seen on lucifer but gold in the hell's greatest dad song :3
I love Valentino, and I can Understand how he smokes his silava and make a chain for Angel
THIS IS WHAT IM SAYING! A lot of poeple think the red lines on vox is apart of his design when it’s not and it’s actually valentinos saliva!
I just hope Vox doesn’t get too hurt, I get some people don’t like him but he’s one of if not my favorite and although I’d hate it and would cry, it does make sense Valentino would somewhat be manipulative to him
Love ur art vids :’3
Vox already had the red spit during the song Stay Gone so do what you want with that info