This nerf kills Devastation (for me) in the War Within
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- Опубликовано: 6 июн 2024
- The War Within Beta has started and there are a lot of Evoker changes coming. Many are good but one is so bad that Devastation will never be the same. OPEN FOR MORE INFO↧↧↧
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Wasn't he (preheat) the one that said that "if you aren't getting PI as a dev you aren't playing it right"?
Seems like he is the reason blizz made the nerfs in the 1st place.
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@@Preheat Haha YOU promoted that game-play as the fucking play guide maker for wowhead. All the try hard meta min/max guys followed your lead which lead to a trickle down to the masses. leading to so many evokers getting booted from keys/raids because they didn't perform as informed by your videos. So if you aren't to blame for bliz nixing that particular playstyle then who is?
@@tonic9539if he didn’t promote a min/max playstyle, someone else would have. Wow players are pretty notorious for trying to find value wherever they can, it’s not down to any single individual
@@drkwrl Sorry as the wowhead guide writer and his videos popping up 1st when you look up guides on youtube, It's fair to say most people are playing by his instruction on how to min/max the class. It's fair to say he is the biggest contributor to the playstyle bliz is trying to push back on.
@@tonic9539 As the other guy have said, yes he happened to be the one who wrote it. If it wasn't him, someone else would have. Unless you have some other alternative that objectively performs better, someone will eventually discover that min - maxed combination. The biggest contributor is in fact Blizzard who designed / balanced the class to perform the best with this playstyle.
I've been maining shadow priest for the last 2 patches, and I fully agree with you about PI. Blizz needs to stop balancing other classes around it. At this point, they've made it clear they can't balance it. I'd be perfectly fine with them totally removing it or making a new version that just buffs the priest.
Just needs to give the other person primary or just damage/healing +% and the priest haste.
Agreed. Classes being nerfed because of PI is the such a weak line of logic by blizzard. Either get rid of the buff to other classes or remove the spell entirely
In testing I was getting so many firestorms that I didn't really mind the fact that it stayed on the ground, similar to Blizzard or rain of fire. Also those left side talent points feel great to play with flame shaper, balance aside. IDK this just feels like a bit of dooming when Dev evoker looks like it has some of the strongest hero specs nearly on par with mage. Honestly I'd rather they just change animosity to half DR cd instead of making it extend because there's a lot of cases in m+ in live where I don't want to press it because I won't get full value through the extensions and the boss is close enough where it won't be back off cd
I experience this a lot as well
I'm actually extremely happy with this change. I'm a high-end content mythic Raider and io pusher - and the variable degree of extensions felt BAD to me as a competitive player. Since you could theoretically have an EXTREMELY long Dragonrage window ( skillful or not ) this means Blizzard had to balance Dev's damage across all possible windows that players are able to achieve.
By capping extensions it allows them to provide power in other places. I also find that with having to manipulate Mass-Disintegrate mid Dragonrage now it becomes more of a chore to be worried about optimal dragonrage extensions and takes away from what we're all here for: Pure fun.
The new Mass-Disintegrate changes encourage spacing out your empowers and timing them well to make use of it. This is directly counterintuitive to what Dev normally wants to do which is spit them out as fast as possible for the sake of extensions. So again, I think stepping AWAY from them is health for the state of the spec.
Again though, that's just my take.
As a casual devoker I don't like spacing out my empowers because I like how neat it is to rip one after the other so this sucks a bit.
This change doesn't really impact my enjoyment of Dev. They can keep it or revert it and I'll still be eyeing Scalecommander Dev as my main in TWW.
That's understandable but he clearly states that it removes the skill expression from the spec so it's subjective. And also, that's a huge part of the enjoyment of a lot of people if not most while playing a spec. Spamming 3 buttons when they are available is a wotlk-like rotation at best and most people that play retail want something at least a bit more challenging. Expressing an opinion is one thing, but seeing a bad change, with a huge nerf, cause of an entirely other spec, and stating that it doesn't really impact you, is definitely a wrong approach towards a spec you actually like. Since it doesn't really affect you, you can just not say anything.
@@ShirkSeGamisais it skill expression though? More like haste expression
@@Arberin With how little braincells you need to play evoker yes it's one of the few chances where you can play better by timing your cooldowns.
I think it's extremely presumptive to expect the new Dracthyr classes to keep the evoker racials. They are very obviously stronger than any other race and that's okay currently because they're really just part of the Evoker kit. They even get affected by talents on the class tree! I think it's much more likely to see those abilities become tied to Evokers and then Dracthyr get a separate racial. Maybe just the thing where when you're out of combat in Visage form you give your party health regen, or maybe something else. The idea that they will just make mages able to have two more AoE stops just by picking a different race is absurd.
Its not evoker racials bro its dracthyr racials :)
I just can't see any class of evoker not having glide or the knock up/back's. To not have them would make zero sense as a race
@@skarnexonline4446 Read
I think what's absurd is assuming that dracthyrs lose their tail and wings when they are another class.
@@skarnexonline4446they will change it, bro
good thing for m+ tbh. Balancing and Tuning a cooldown like havoc's meta when it lasts so long is hard and causes the cooldown to have lower value. With it having a cap they can easier tune it to be more impactful and not broken.
i am planning to main evoker in tww. i am old and tired, i think it is not very complex to master (i was a hunter main). you think it will be viable as far as you guys have experienced in the beta? good dps output? i am conflicted between evo, lock and dh
I mained an evoker for the entirety of DF.. The range problem for all of the evoker specs are the most frustrating part of the class. After watching hundreds of players die to ranging preservation healing or having my DPS target get dragged away by tanks while other DPS can stay still ... And I don't want to go into the frustrations playing Aug while raiding... I am done with the class. With TWW coming in, Blizz is going to turn the class upside down every other patch. You are better off playing another class.
I'd rather they made PI an actual POWER infusion, not haste infusion, and make it so it just increases damage (maybe just magic damage?) by a certain percent. This would remove a lot of issues and balance it for all classes since some classes benefit from it a lot more than the others.
I think they can find different places to let skill show through and continue to make Devastation feel better outside of dragonrage windows.
I take issue with being no longer being the special boy - preheat probably
If you like a class/spec you stick with it regardless of the nerfs. This is something that only 1% of the elite players will notice and moan about while us casuals will just carry on playing what we like, which in my case is the Devastation evoker.
Unfortunately liking the class is the problem. If I didn't care then I wouldn't share my opinions on why this is bad.
Sorry but I'm not exactly sold that withholding criticism and blindly committing to something is proof that you like a class.
Seems like learning to play it properly is probably a better indicator but maybe that's just elitism 🤪
@@Preheat People are allowed to have different views, you're not some 18 year old kid. Feeding into the narrative that you're somehow "elite" because you play video game is cringe.
You got kicked out of Limit and replaced by Imfiredup, if I were you, I would try to get off that snobbiest attitude if you want to grow an audience. Then again, you tried to sue someone over an oven name. 🤣
@Preheat So you think the spec is completely borked? I honestly don't think so, seems like it's a lot easier to balance it this way, which is a good thing.
And also I really like the hero talent trees for Devoker and Devoker is generally so much fun even so it's simple (but it was simple even with dragonrage extensions).
He doesn’t like that it’s simple that’s the whole thing. It’s a very simple class now after this change - which was pretty much the last of its skill expression. It’ll still do damage, but it’s kind of boring to him and someone like me, but I’m used to faster apm specs.
@@razerfan2447 I get that, but I think it really isn't that complex to begin with. And you an still extend it just not endlessly. Maybe make the cap a bit higer though...
But if it's considerable easier to get extensions in the war within surely the skill expression is no where near what it was regardless, so the only real expression is being buffed by other classes?.
Yea you basically kinda just move the goalpost. If 5-6 was possible, and you get more easy tools, then you instead go for 6-7 or 7-8. But at this point it becomes the breath of sindragosa problem. You get nerfed to compensate for almost permament cooldown, then you go m+, for whatever reason combat stops, cd is gone, youre left with no cd for half the time you were balanced around having it.
I always greatly appreciate your information on updates to evoker dps! Hopefully it's still at least fun and not a floppy fire fish out here.
I just don't want a minute long cooldown window. I don't want my damage to get fucked every time I get a mechanic in raid.
Evokers can basically do their whole rotation on movement no?
@@nugget7865 No, and even if you can save hovers well for mechanics, there are mechanics that require LoS, or where people are stunned and have to be broken out, or where you have to go far from the boss and the 25 yard range of devastation is not remotely enough.
Cages on Fyrakk. Nymue. Tindral dispels. Council polymorphs. Every single one would cost you at least one set of extensions.
And having a long burst window isn't even good. They don't make minute-long dps windows, they make 10-20s windows for burst damage.
Thanks for the video, mate.
I disagree with a few things, specially related to scale commander and firestorm. Scale commander is supposed to be ST and cleave, while flamebinder is fire.
I did a few dungeons as flamebinder deva and multiple times I was able to overlap 3 firestorms in the same place, due to the casted+ pyro procs+ instant procs.
Try some flamebinder firestorm budild and let us know what you think, please.
I mained preservation evoker in S1, S2 and S3. After the constant nerfs and backflip decisions made by blizzard I decided I wanted to play a more stable evoker class rather then having to roll the dice on whether or not my class is going to be able to perform comfortably in environments (after 700 pulls on Tindral I was not hyped for prevoker in S4). I took a look at aug first and quickly realized it's the least stable class out of the three with the constant changes, Dev looked really nice. Very little changes have been made to it over the last couple months, so I decided to play it during S4. I invested a heap of time learning it and pushing myself to perform to the highest level, using clipping and maximizing my extensions. I finally got to the point where Im comfortable with it and can get the most out of the class. Only for blizzard to once again see that people are having fun with a class and to come in with their completely informed balance department to remove the fun and skill factor from an already low APM class, what a joke. I don't think evokers are going to have a high play rate in War Within, outside of the top M+ pushes I dont think they are going to have a spot in many raids/keys. Preservation is in a terrible spot, Devastation was doing well this season but blizzard decided it should be knocked down a peg for something another class has....
Frostfire is better than sunfury in TWW?
If they would to fix Animosity they need to extend the duration to 24 secs instead of 16 secs
@Preheat i'm glad we agree on Firestorm. Its essentially just a worse version of Warlock RoF.
I'm not sure what they are thinking at blizz when they evaluated Firestorm, its is simply not used, and typically when that happens its grounds for a rework.
I did some minor testing with it but it is just not reliable enough and the increased radius can make it very difficult to use in tight spaces.
What I would like to see is for evoker is a higher frequency of ticks in of DoT spells, averaging out the damage over the duration of the channel or DoT duration. Doing that would have gone much further in moderating DR extensions.
Additionally Firestorm, imo should have been similar to the Balance Druids AoE that follows a target.
I can see a world where Friestorm tracks a target and moves in a fashion similar to the Whirlwinds from the Storming Affix.
It got hit by the blizzard special: downplaying high skill potential so that the ceiling is low enough for the newbies to reach so that you don't need to be funneled external buffs just to reach the triple extension.
2 sets of extentions is the norm anyways
Such a sad day, dev has been my main since it came out but this really hurts it for me, might be a re roll angle if it feels as bad as it sounds 🙁
is mass integrade buggy right now? it just doesnt work for me
or not implemented yet
I understand what you're saying, but Mass Disintegrate and Bombard boys look cool as shit so I'm playing it anyway.
I do respecto you would wanna change as main the mage, is just kind of bummer about not with the Evoker, hahaha I've been follow your guides and content cause of that, gg.
Make Firestorm like Starfall just adjusted to Evoker Range. That might make it good
Oooo, yeah that'll be awesome. Maybe a glyph to make it look like meteors raining down. That and red / fire disintegrate.
I love the visual of Firestorm but it needs to 100% be changed, something like the it being a passive that “every 10 seconds your next Pyre creates a Firestorm that follows the target” would be my go for it. Firestorm being a subpar aoe with a long cd, awkward cast time and meh duration with almost no synergy just, idk what they were thinking.
Honestly the new talents give it a lot of synergy and it works really well with flameshaper imo through testing
@@LordHypnos4 oh that’s good then, last I checked it was just Pyre and Living Flame so at least they remembered Devs other fire ability.
@@raguru1032 yeah so just a few from the top of my head that work well, fire breath buffs your red spell damage which includes firestorm with the capstone talent second from the left, firestorm buffing your essence abilities by 20% while enemies are in it makes the talent in flameshaper that gives your essence abilities a dot stronger (enkindle) as well as the talent that buffs your remaining enkindles by 100%. I believe firestorm also counts as a dot buffing engulfs damage by another 50% but don't quote me on that one I could be wrong.
In dungeon testing I was getting so many firestorms it really didn't feel bad if the tank had to move, it even felt pretty good in single target
I totally get the gripe, but maybe i'm not understaning the talent issue. Was there really that much depth in the extensions? Or is this just the last straw?
glyph of stars for evokers but sand please
Props to blizzard for perfectly distilling the classic "missing the forest for the trees" back and fourth bureaucracy of an office job into video game form. As per our last email, blizzard, stop fucking up class skill expression and FUN for the class fantasy of PI. At this point I can safely say I don't know anyone who enjoys PI being in the game, but clearly someone important came up with it so its here to stay.
Agree that the racials are too strong for other classes.
I like the animosity changes though. Freeing up the design space might lead to better skill expressions for dev.
Until we see some proof of this with actual changes it's hard to imagine.
Do you still need to type "ADVANCED" when creating a character? xD
yeh this just solidifies my choice to main warlock next expansion, i had fun with deva but it being too easy and very cookie cutter just made me burnt out and ive struggled to pick it back up and thesze hero talents arent enough to make me wanna playu and augmentation is just so boring
Now i feel like i lost my one of my biggest reasons to not play aug...
make power infusion work only for priest who owns that power infusion, and not for others, simple fix and I am sure will make priests happy
About time you saw the error of your ways man. It was hurtful to see the best PvE Mage content creator move to the new shiny toy, which also happens to be the most boring and basic caster ever made.
We'll gladly welcome you back, but please don't ever falter again: mage is love, mage is life ❤
how depressing
When that goes live, will play warlock in tww... lel they fuc*** it with 1 stupid change
I'd be curious to hear your thoughts on how you would expect to balance DRage when you can get upwards of 50% more extension with PI or other factors like say the tier set in TWW fairly easily getting you the 5th. Would we go from getting 5 extensions easily in S1 of TWW to then having to wait for blizz to apply an aura buff to us cause that set bonus is gone and we can no longer reach that amount of DR uptime? Feels just as shit to have potentially wait on tuning and become so dependent on Drage uptime being the entire specs tipping point.
I do agree the animosity change from the perspective that if they want to cap Drage uptime to just set the duration of the spell to be X seconds, and dont make us spend a talent point on it. I can get behind that 100%. There are plenty of classes where they hit their CD and its X seconds long and its perfectly fine.
Highlighting mass dis as a way to say we are going to get those extensions easier in TWW is a weird choice, cause you're implying 3 targets in which point it was already trivial to get 5/6 extensions already. Seems like a completely moot point to consider.
"Skill Expression" This is hilarious, its spamming 1 button. There already wasnt skill there. Past that in ST its a combination of:
1) Did I get PI
2) Did I get targeted by something on the boss that takes me away. Ie something like Nymue bombs
3) Did I get an obscene amount of hoarded power procs
Lets not kid ourselves there's no skill here. And thats okay. Not every spec needs to be super duper complicated to be fun! Dev at its core is still a fun spec (completely subjective). And if youre looking for something deeper than that, then yes it probably means your time as an evoker is over, and thats okay.
And lastly talking about Dracthyr as a playable race for other classes you make some incredible assumptions. If you actually listen to the interview its just Ion being like ya we'll probably give dracthyr other classes eventually. Its so not even begun to be implemented at that point, but you go on and make assumptions that every class is going to get wing buffet and tail swipe? It's highly unlikely they are going to get the full racial kit. Evoker literally has talents based on those spells in both the class tree and in the hero talents. They are more evoker abilities than dracthyr ones. If they open the race up to other races they likely wont get those abilities, and saying it outright is incredibly misleading. But that lies also on the MrGm interview using words like confirmed, and such when you can tell from the way Ion talks about it that it is still incredibly early on, he likely literally just pulled Mage/Warrior as classes out of his ass, but now people are running around like "OMG DRAGON MAGE CONFIRMED". None of this is even hinted at in anything through alpha/beta. Wild to just jump on the bandwagon like that
Well said, just leaving Drage at a static duration is probably the best way to go about it and delete animosity altogether. Idk what kind of “skill” bro is talking about when it comes to Drage extensions.
Hmm I guess I‘ll just listen to the guy playing the class to a higher level than we all do in high end mythic raiding.😂
Not the loon who writes an essay pointing out he knows better
@@LuckyLuke1707 so you’re saying that drage extensions actually require skill? 💀
Cool! Play mage! =D
"Two points for a regular cooldown." What? 34 seconds of Dragonrage is not a normal cooldown, are you crazy? Other classes also spend multiple points on their big CD. Look at how many points Destro puts into Infernal or how Retribution picks up multiple versions of Avenging Wrath to combine.
You're really going to get hung up on a turn of phrase over the fact that it was a unwarranted nerf?
Solid video. TBH. One thing I noticed is your mention of rotational "skill cap" as the reason you might swop back to mage. We need to move away from thinking mastering a DPS rotation is "skill cap" or not. Look at fire mage, it's terribly simple but a lot of fun. In the end, doing damage in WoW is arguably the easiest thing. I think as players we need to move to a view that skill cap in WoW is based on our reaction time to countering an ability or dodging the fire, and how we do those things while we pump. Most high keys aren't lost to damage output, they are lost to players tunneling their rotation, forgetting to rotate kicks/CC on a trash mob's abilities or timing their defensives. So, if Wow has a chance to simplify a classes rotation in order to allow players to focus more on experiencing the content I'm personally for that. As long as that change doesn't make the rotation boring.
For an example, look at arcane mage. They have to use 3-4 wind up abilities (including using evocation as a builder) before they even start their rotation. Dragon flight arcane is the worst feeling specialization I've ever experienced. If that class went back to a simpler legion play style for ramp, or if arcane surge had its cast time removed, then that class would be 10x more fun. Blizzard has gone in a direction in recent years that has really taken away a lot from what was a "fun" play-style for many classes.
crazy.... if this goes live, i will not play war within. i love my evoker..
bit of an overreaction, but you do you I guess.
@@johnbacon8394 If they do not make Plunderstorm PVE I will unsub!!
My thoughts:
1. Revert animosity back. This is a horrible change.
2. Revamp firestorm to be a 1 second cast (with instant casts from procs) and usable on a friendly target. Casting causes the player to pulse fire damage around them for 12 seconds. Can only have one application at a time. By default, it casts on target on target. This would make it significantly more usable since it would basically be a castable version of immo aura attributed back to the evoker.
2. I'd rather firestorm work like Balance druid's starfall.
@@nugget7865 I’d be fine with it being a radius around the player as well.
End of the day they can do it multiple ways, they just need to make it non-stationary so people will actually be inclined to use it.
I propose we nerf or remove pi for priest. Remove it's ability to be cast on anyone else ever. Problem solved
Dracthyr mage??? are you saying we need to all switch to a new meta race for 2 aoe stops if we are pushing keys. WTF. I dont understand why bliz would even open dragons up to playing other classes.
Oh it is basically confirmed that dracthyr will get other classes. Now for racials blizz said nothing which doesnt mean much but i do expect them to change one way or another just saying that dragons will do indeed open up to other classes but not right away, definitely not on launch maybe on s1 of TWW? We shall see
"Why are we nerfing the classes who get PI instead of PI?" Every UDK player just erupted in cheers. They nerfed the fuck out of our garg/army after 10.2 bc of that shit
I feel like ruining a spec that didn't have even one patch to shine is just so messed up ... I mean, if you play devastation and try to join an M+ key, 9 out of 10 times you will be kicked out from the group because ... You're an evoker and don't play Aug? ... The enjoyable part of devastation was it's potential and seeing the difference you can make by playing it right. Although it was very tough to do content with deva because it was an abandoned spec, it was enjoyable to have the opportunity of squeezing out it's potential. It gave you enjoyment. I feel like the change they have implemented here will totally ruin devastation for anyone that was doing medium to high M+ keys. I was a devastation main since it came out. I hate augmentation. I play DPS to deal DPS but those changes really put me down from playing this class. I feel like Devastation is a joke for blizzard and they are just fooling around with us. They want to force every evoker into playing Aug because they are so proud of that new playstyle that they don't give a damn about devastation.
Yeah I agree with the sentiment. Feels like Aug looms over Dev like a dark cloud. I'm moving to clearer skys until something is done.
Whyyyy WHYyyyy WHY theeee faxk are the doing this ugh
That change is awful. Why is the extension mechanic viewed poorly by blizzard. No ones complaining about that.
i already decided to drop devoker as well. due to everyone wanting an aug in pugs, the 25 yard nonsense (they seemed to stop caring about this in fight design after voti), and a weird bug i always get in m+ where i release and am still in combat (can't mount or click and ride on dragons).
The "release and still in combat" thing isn't a bug. It's because you still have ticks of firebreath keeping you in combat. Then when you respawn and the firebreath is still damaging it considers you in combat until those mobs die.
Now should it work like this? No. But... technically intended as shitty as that is
@@SkittleKittyRainbow wild since it never happens on my lock, who has way more dots ticking on things
I dunno I hate maintaining buffs. I think it's cancer. The whole point of a cd I thought was to strategically use it. And it feels awful as your character gets stronger outside of group content. It's not realistic to maintain it, so having powerful dps cooldowns control so much of your dps is bleach. i'm annoyed they're keeping it on mages.
Aint no way Dracthyr racials are going to stay on the race that sounds ridiculous
If this is going to happen i vote for 1 minute dragonrage!
Typical blizz decision... big L
Lmao... its super contra productive. Get nerfed because an other class has a broken spell. Dafaq? Tbh. I'll probably drop deva as well if this change stays and play my fire mage instead and maybe have a SH priest as an alt because that spec is just broken since season 2 of DF. Maybe even level my lock, but this change is just super bad and highlights again blizzard has no idea what they are doing regarding balance changes.
I see a lot of people defending the DR change by making arguments that indicate they are probably low parsing mythic raiders in the first place.
"you could theoretically have an EXTREMELY long Dragonrage window" " I don't want my damage to get fucked every time I get a mechanic in raid."
None of this was ever really true so its hard to celebrate Blizzard fixing perceived problems that never existed to begin with. I think preheat's take here is right, 3rd extension required skill in mythic raiding and that's gone now, which is concerning for a spec that already has lower APM than BM Hunter.
Honestly kinda like not feeling like I have to have PI to do good damage
Regardless of PI you aren't getting extensions and you still need it to do good damage!
i think they have persoanl problem with dev evokers always its fucking nerf every season ,look s4 there is no place for dev evoker on m+ because of aug and also dev dmg isnt great better make a mage or sp as a caster class noone belives dev evokers
totally fair and imo stupid change but there is still time to stop the key from turning; if the devs listen through rock and metal and stone then i'm sure it'll get reworked or changed before it goes live.
They really have to change firestorm entirely, its just plain boring imo; whilst their at it might aswell change the tree capstones aswell to make them more interchangable.
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Extension play is fun so this is a real shame, it's one of the things that differentiates good players from average
Honestly I like the animosity change. I really don’t like chasing 100% uptime on buffs. It’s why breath of sindragosa ruined frost DK for me.
You don't want to tell me that this nerf somehow violated some skill cap. Who are you comparing yourself to? with a player who plays Evoker a week? Any average evoker player could extend Dragonrage to the max if the in-game mechanics didn't screw it up. It seems a bit illogical to replace it with an arcane mage whose skill cap was really lowered because half of the players couldn't play him as it was.
Evoker was already insanely simple and easy but somehow they saw and thought: This needs to be dumbed down further
@@Preheat I definitely agree, but I think that most evoker players play evoker because of the playstyle, which is different and, in my opinion, funnier than any other caster. I've always hoped that somehow Dragon Breath would get more involved in the rotation, and the new hero talents that revolve around DB make this class even more fun than ever before. This class does not have a heavy rotation, but is based on timing and positioning, which makes a bigger skill cap between players than Dragonrage. For myself, I can't wait to fly in DB in rotation :D Even if the control in flight is rather slow. And otherwise it would be a shame to lose the only advisory streamer evoker :D that's about all :D
@@Preheat Legit how is this dumbing the spec down? The skill is 99% did I get PI or is this AOE? I guess this makes saving empower spells before a DR little less impactful? Is that really worth all this? As you say Evoker is pretty simple but DR extension isn't really adding anything to it. The only thing it requires is spending as much essence as possible, knowing the math for disint vs pyre target counts beforehand, and pressing empowered abilities as soon as theyre off CD, which just so happens to be the same way to do the most damage regardless of DR extensions. The skill expression literally doesn't change, it just makes dev harder to balance since DR could have such a varied length depending on factors outside of the players control (getting a mechanic that takes you out of range or not getting PI).
S1 Dev had a little bit when clipping was still a thing and the DR rotation was fundamentally different than non DR rotation, but this change? "skill" wise its basically nothing. I can see disliking the change cause this will make our mass aoe rotation slower with less EB procs, but the "skill" of getting extra extensions on DR is more of a stat check than a skill check. Or if you just like the mechanics of chasing the extension then sure fair enough, but don't act like getting 3rd, 4th, or even more casts of extensions off was because of skillful gameplay.
@@mattoleary811 So in favor of nerf or no? Lot of unnecessary yapping over nothing.
LMAO they mentioned PI in the reasons for change. I feel so bad for Blizzard being this level of incompetent.
there's no way that other classes get the dracthyr racial stops, lol.
Yeah I'm 100% sure dracthyr will get new racials for normal classes especially considering their current racials show up in the class tree
Don't listen to this guy. Dev voker is insanely fun in TWW