@@user-gh5yf9vu7l No you didn't, I've used an auto clicker at 65ms per click for years. If u go below 65 MS then the server detects flooding and u will get kicked off multiple times and if it happens enough times you might get banned (this happened to me during a flask bug some time in the past where if u mass clicked ur flasks to quickly it would give people temp bans for " too many inputs ".
@@kizzagaming6523 i'm using bloody mouse with autoclicker for like, 5 years? Ain't banned tho Those guys who "i got banned for auto clicking" mostly used it from multi-hack software xD
@@kizzagaming6523 i hate this about poe community, this god complex this mr know all this arrogance, legit shut up? why would i lie about it in a comment section of a not so popular video, my account is perma banned because i used the auto clicker, only right thing u have said is that i might have used it on a speed faster than 65ms
@@deafintheleft5741 It's not a clever use of any game mechanics. It is very obviously exploiting a bug. Or do you genuinely think it is actually intended to be able to deterministically farm a dozen + of a specific div card that is effectively printing free money at home and going outside and spending it IRL. This is scummy and they absolutely deserve an account ban.
They shouldnt of been banned. What because the tools that ggg gave us worked to well? The fuck. This is 100% gggs fault not the player for using the tools given to them. Currency should of been deleted. Doesnt matter what the outcome is as they didnt exploit shit. They just used scarabs exactly how they were soposed to be used.
While it is how the scarab is supposed to function id argue that the scarab in conjunction with scrying was clearly resulting in outcomes that were unintended. GGG doesn't have the staff or the ability to test everything with how vast this game is. They never will. It's on the community to not abuse it and what this group did was abuse an unintentional outcome to the point of nearly causing hyper inflation. The group knew what they were doing was wrong, they wouldn't have tried to hide the evidence afterwards if they didn't feel that way. I think a lot of this situation falls on intentions, it was clear their intention was purely greed with zero care for how the economy as a whole would respond. That's why in GGGs latest post the call it economy abuse instead of an exploit. As for the bans, id assume they'd just be temporary, given you can't allow them to be able to move the currency while they decide consequences. Personally a month or league suspension seems fine, again it's more about the intentions of the group, then the process as a whole.
What do you mean by using the word "exploit" ??? It's not a bug therefore it's not a "bug exploit" and rather a "mechanic exploit". The players are not guilty to me, 100% dev's fault if the market is ruined (which it isn't actually)
It's about the results clearly 60 divines per t1 map isn't intended. Then to do this for the next 13 hours chain running these T1 maps to maximize off the unintended outcome is clear they knew they were doing something wrong. Is it GGGs fault for implementing it this way 100% yes but there's also a world where it can still be their fault for abusing it as much as possible also.
While rats farming with the divine conversion was an issue it was not infinitely repeatable there was still some randomness and required burning tons of maps. Whereas with this, once you scryer the map the only thing limiting them was the supply of scarabs. They farmed around to 15,000 divines in 11 hours. No one was even remotely close to this last league with any strat. I think the best comparison to this was when the sanctum was duping a ton of divines with the coin conversion relic. The difference between those is when it was found out the person that did it didn't decide to do it as much as possible and instead reported it.
repeat it = intentional thus ban
i was banned for something insanely less broken, i legit just binned my mouse button to left click to 6 link with fusing faster, i got perma
@@user-gh5yf9vu7l No you didn't, I've used an auto clicker at 65ms per click for years. If u go below 65 MS then the server detects flooding and u will get kicked off multiple times and if it happens enough times you might get banned (this happened to me during a flask bug some time in the past where if u mass clicked ur flasks to quickly it would give people temp bans for " too many inputs ".
@@kizzagaming6523 i'm using bloody mouse with autoclicker for like, 5 years? Ain't banned tho
Those guys who "i got banned for auto clicking" mostly used it from multi-hack software xD
Intentional what ? Intentionally being interested in making the most out of the intended game mechanics ? Aren't we all doing it at some degree ?
@@kizzagaming6523 i hate this about poe community, this god complex this mr know all this arrogance, legit shut up? why would i lie about it in a comment section of a not so popular video, my account is perma banned because i used the auto clicker, only right thing u have said is that i might have used it on a speed faster than 65ms
League ban should happen
account ban should happen
Shouldn’t be an account ban. This is closer to clever use of game mechanics than it is to exploiting. Even if they did it 200+ times
@@deafintheleft5741 account ban if they ever do that again.
I think the ban was modified to be for this season. It was a pinned comment on Belton's video.
@@deafintheleft5741 It's not a clever use of any game mechanics. It is very obviously exploiting a bug. Or do you genuinely think it is actually intended to be able to deterministically farm a dozen + of a specific div card that is effectively printing free money at home and going outside and spending it IRL. This is scummy and they absolutely deserve an account ban.
as always, braggers get caught
They shouldnt of been banned. What because the tools that ggg gave us worked to well? The fuck. This is 100% gggs fault not the player for using the tools given to them. Currency should of been deleted. Doesnt matter what the outcome is as they didnt exploit shit. They just used scarabs exactly how they were soposed to be used.
While it is how the scarab is supposed to function id argue that the scarab in conjunction with scrying was clearly resulting in outcomes that were unintended.
GGG doesn't have the staff or the ability to test everything with how vast this game is. They never will. It's on the community to not abuse it and what this group did was abuse an unintentional outcome to the point of nearly causing hyper inflation.
The group knew what they were doing was wrong, they wouldn't have tried to hide the evidence afterwards if they didn't feel that way.
I think a lot of this situation falls on intentions, it was clear their intention was purely greed with zero care for how the economy as a whole would respond. That's why in GGGs latest post the call it economy abuse instead of an exploit.
As for the bans, id assume they'd just be temporary, given you can't allow them to be able to move the currency while they decide consequences. Personally a month or league suspension seems fine, again it's more about the intentions of the group, then the process as a whole.
thank god they got banned, im still mad bout that div thing last league lol
Offtopic, CoconutB follow big W
What do you mean by using the word "exploit" ??? It's not a bug therefore it's not a "bug exploit" and rather a "mechanic exploit". The players are not guilty to me, 100% dev's fault if the market is ruined (which it isn't actually)
It's about the results clearly 60 divines per t1 map isn't intended. Then to do this for the next 13 hours chain running these T1 maps to maximize off the unintended outcome is clear they knew they were doing something wrong.
Is it GGGs fault for implementing it this way 100% yes but there's also a world where it can still be their fault for abusing it as much as possible also.
@@KassSaiYaJiN remember last league ?
While rats farming with the divine conversion was an issue it was not infinitely repeatable there was still some randomness and required burning tons of maps.
Whereas with this, once you scryer the map the only thing limiting them was the supply of scarabs.
They farmed around to 15,000 divines in 11 hours. No one was even remotely close to this last league with any strat.
I think the best comparison to this was when the sanctum was duping a ton of divines with the coin conversion relic.
The difference between those is when it was found out the person that did it didn't decide to do it as much as possible and instead reported it.