REPLY TO THIS BY ANSWERING THESE CATEGORIES WITH YOUR OPINION: WHICH HAD THE BETTER: Art - ____ Story - ____ Music - _____ FIghts - ____ Villains/Antagonists - ____ Surprises - ____ Great Moments - _____ FILL IN THE BLANKS.
Art= started with episode 47 but some of the episode made it bad animation or art. Story: Goku black best story in entire Dragonball imo. Frieza will be first cause yes he did bad played with the Saiyan race. But Goku black a supreme kai became a psychopath because of the point of view on mortals. Music: start with goku black arc (yes bog has those ost's but man when future mai let future trunks leave and future trunks screaming to her ' no mai I can't leave you here again'. Fight: start with Goku vs zamasu and goku black first fight. (Man Goku was back flipping zamasu's move and fights in the city which was rare to see) Villain: lol only zamasu was villain in dragon ball super. Frieza just a remake of DBZ ROF which most of the fans ignored it as well as bog arc. U7vsU6 Tournament and tournament of power isn't about villain. So only Villain or best villain was Zamasu. Surprises: started with Goku black spoilers and final surprises was Goku raged in Mui on jiren but most great surprise was 109-110 together in one day. Great moment: Vegito my boy.
Art - Top Story - Goku Black Music - Top (close) Fights - Top Villains/Antagonists - Goku Black Surprises - Goku Black (close) Great Moments - Top I think Tournament of Power is better but is a different type of arc then Goku black, Tournament vs a lore/story based arc.
Art - Tournament of Power Story - Goku Black Music - Tournament of Power Fights - Tournament of Power Villains/Antagonists - Goku Black Surprises - Goku Black Great Moments - Tournament of Power Overall - Tournament of Power
Goku bustin out the Kaio-ken against Hit was my favorite moment. Ultra Instinct was sick yes. But the nostalgia effect with the Kaio-ken just killed it IMO
You know the more I look back at the tournament of power it really was a great time to be a dragon ball fan every week was exciting and it felt very epic even for dragon ball standards.
@@KaiserMattTygore927 back then I had no friends who liked DBS. It was a great time to be alive checking youtube streams for new episodes and every dragon ball fan will never forget the hype that was 110. I still remember where I was when I watched it.
My biggest complaint about the future trunks ending is trunks going to a new universe. To me at that point it makes more sense to me to have him stay in the past then to go to another universe. It would have been an interesting storyline to have him trying to figure out a new life, dealing with the consequences of his failure, and then have him available for future arcs. Like I think it would have been interesting for him in superhero trying to deal with new androids.
THIS. This would've made the ending so much better, instead of a lame ass offscreen deus ex machina where he has to get used to a second exact set of himself and mai
@@j04370859 Yes. Because one is an adult with different experiences than the child version of himself. 2. They’re easily distinctive. 3. Tournament of Power Trunks? They could’ve had an awesome moment where he and the Androids teamed up. Especially the irony of how they were enemies once.
Toriyama and Toyotaro really fucked yo by not having Future Trunk stay in the current timeline. It would have been great dynamic that would have fit especially with current trunks relationship is stronger with Goten, whereas we could have seen how current Gohan and future trunks would be now that they are older being that this trunks only had gohan in his future timeline.
My favorite Gohan moment in the T.O.P. was when in the earlier episodes when they eliminated one of the universes and a locket fell right in front of Gohan of the warrior he was fighting that had a pic of himself and his family. Gohan looked so hurt. It hit hard cause Gohan was fighting for his family too. One of the most underrated scenes from T.O.P.
@@angeloftheuchiha.4810 what justice, bro, Gohan in the manga was barely there, even in the T.O.P he barely had any on screen fights, even his Kefla fight did not make sense power scaling wise and to top it all off it was an offscreen battle like all of his other fights, the anime did Gohan way better justice with fights that made sense and we got to see them all
A lot of parallels between the Goku Black arc and the Cell arc! Trunks coming to the past. A mysterious villain with a plot twist. Multiple plot twists in each arc. They both really kept you guessing!
Also: 1. A villainous duo terrorizing the Future: Cell saga Androids 17 & 18; Goku Black arc Goku Black & Future Zamasu. 2. The main villain is green who think he is the perfect being when he reaches his final form. Cell thought he was perfect after absorbing 17 & 18 & reached Super Saiyan 2 levels of power after Goku teleported him away from earth while Zamasu thought he was perfect & divine when he was fused with the invincible & immortal Future Zamasu & Super Saiyan Rose Goku Black
I like both arcs, but I ABSOLUTELY *LOVE* the Goku Black/Zamasu Arc more, because - 1. There was a good reason as to why Goku Black was as strong as he was, because he was using Goku's body and power and it wasn't like Jiren how he is just here and he is just that strong, because he did have an origin, but that origin was dry as hell. 2. Zamasu/Goku Black actually had a great buildup how he became the way that he became and how his mindset developed. 3. Goku could NOT defeat Goku Black, because every time that Goku fought Goku Black even when enraged all Goku Black is going to do is learn and feed off of Goku and get stronger, which is why Bulma was wrong when she was telling kid Trunks to leave everything to Goku, because Goku cannot beat Goku Black, and this leads to another character being able to get the win and be the main hero of the arc. 4. There was a lot of interesting powers in the Goku Black/Zamasu Arc, now Goku Black just used Goku's powers, but it was really, really interesting to see Goku's own powers and moves being used against him, but mainly powers like the Fused Zamasu thing with Blades of Judgement, and Divine Lightning, and the smoke clones, and the Ki blade and ki scythe, and the smoke bird thing, those were just cool to see. 5. I ABSOLUTELY *LOVED* the ending of the Goku Black Arc, because Zamasu actually won, and I don't care what anyone says about, "Oh they redid that with sending Future Trunks and Future Mai back to an earlier time in their timeline, with getting rid of Zamasu before anything happens," I don't care about that, I mean I hated that, but I was ok with Zamasu killing everyone, because at the end Zamasu got rid of all of the mortals on the planet apart from the main cast, so Zamasu basically got what he wanted, and that was good because it was new and unexpected where the villain actually won apart from the old "The hero always wins" BS, because for the Tournament of Power we all already knew that Universe 7 was already going to win so it kind of takes away from the stakes and surprises, but with Zamasu he succeeded. Now yes, Zamasu did lose overall, but he did get what he wanted, because it was like, "He won the battle, but he lost the war." Kind of a thing. I liked that. 6. The Goku Black/Zamasu Arc had actual stakes, because everyone who died could not be brought back since the Dragon Balls in Trunk's timeline were gone, so those were some actual real deaths in Dragon Ball and that gave the Zamasu/Goku Black Arc actual stakes and actual consequences. If you can't take anything else away from the Zamasu/Goku Black Arc take this away from it. These are the reasons why I love the Goku Black/Zamasu are over the Tournament of Power are to an extent.
agree but the tournament of power definitely has stakes because even tho universe 7 would survive, we had no idea how and what would happen to all the other universes involved. it had the entire internet on a chokehold for months because of all the tension.
The tournament of power felt like it took the best of all eras of dragon ball and ran with it share. It doesn’t equal the cell saga but damn, the payoffs were great ultra instinct was great and making every character relevant was amazing.
It's a shame Dragon Ball Super only really amounted to a prologue multiverse tournament, Goku Black (which totally bastardized Trunks), and then the actual multiverse tournament arc. 2 mini arcs, and then one actual arc. And even including the manga, not one arc has carried the weight or longevity of any of Z's arcs, which pretty much marked entire eras unto themselves (4 clean cut dividers between saiyans, Namek, androids, Buu as the entire story). I guess in this sense it is going back to more original Dragon Ball (non-Z) sorts of arcs?
Jiren is a boring idea but executed well enough which helped him. That is props to the animation team that made him look cool despite the script they were given. I mean the base Toriyama script for him, not the storyboard. The lack of further development him in the next arcs hurt the whole thing more because it left it just the way it were. Jiren needed a tv special like future trunks and Bardock got.
I definitely think Jiren was more interesting than Hit. Hit just felt like a guy who was bored with his job, until Goku came along and showed him how to have fun with a fight.
Goku Black arc was really strong, let down by an absolute abortion of an ending. Tournament of Power's drawback was awkward pacing that really dragged out some parts. Also squandered a lot of potential in the newly introduced characters. But it had some amazing moments and an outstanding finish. Also introduces the best character in all of dragon ball: Jiren. Best character. Best character in town.
Can't agree more on basically everything said in here... And to add on to like the whole crap show of Trunks going away to another timeline again? It threw away some of the best moments of the arc in the anime... Like Future Trunks' conversation with Kid Trunks and, his distrust of meeting 18. Imagine him on the TOP team when Goku recruits Freeza and 17? How paranoid he could get especially if Trunks made it towards the end. Could have been such great character development. Like 18 was arguably the less evil of the twin androids, and everyone was stronger than her, so it'd be understandable for trunks to accept her a bit more... But then when they find 17 and he's nearly as strong as Goku? And Freeza is as strong as Goku... And it's just the 4 of them vs Jiren. Just imagine his paranoia. And him seeing Gohan get back into fighting shape and such. And like Trunks' response when the ToP is made a thing, and he'd also probably get a bit of blame for it too given he was a time traveler that brought the 2nd Zeno around
Future Trunks arc was good until the finale the only good thing for me is that Zamasu won at the end and Trunks ended up failing and his timeline destroyed. TOP is way better in the anime than the manga and still could have been much better i mean imagine TOP with DBZ style and choreography and not just big scream and yatatatatata
I kinda liked the fact that jiren wasn't really helping in the ToP. It shows what a bad teammate he actually is, despite being a member of the pride troopers. The whole point of the pride troopers is fighting evil as a team, but jiren just doesn't get the importance of trust and teamwork. He only steps in when he decides something is worth his time, and he only fights alone. His lack of trust was his biggest weakness, and it ultimately led to his defeat.
The TOP still holds up and surpasses the Black Arc slightly but there are things they could've done better on in each arc. Super in general is ok but could be better.
Super just got better and better as it went on. Ill always have a soft spot for the beginning arc introducing Beerus and Whis though. That Goku Vs Beerus fight was unforgettable 👌
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goku black was alot more interesting pre zamasu introduction and the ending is so painful becuase in the end trunks kinda just lost after everything and then hes shipped off to another universe to be wasted and never seen again
Catopresla needs his own spinoff manga about his battles in Universe 3, it should be similar to toriyama's Jaco the Galaxtic patrol man manga from years ago.
Goku Black Arc started of strong and Goku Black made for an interesting villain, but it's poor ending makes it a bit hard to go back, among other stuff. Overall, the Manga's ending was way better. While the TOP Arc had some of the best fights, I also thought the concept of Goku using UI was good but its poor pacing make it a drag to get through and Jiren didn't make for an engaging antagonist overall. The manga, while it still has its own pacing issues, at least had Jiren's personality fleshed out more. My Results: Goku Black (Manga) TOP (Anime)
The Goku Black manga ending was worse, besides the spirit sword. Zamasu became part of the universe, so Zeno, erasing it, felt more justifiable and made more sense, rather than it being because of Zamasu clones. Plus, Trunk's goodbye was more emotional.
For me its moro i love the top and goku black arc's but the vibe i got from the moro was like dbz though i will admit it lost a little steam in the end its still my favorite dbs arc
The fact that Roshi was able to hold his own at all in Super really flabbergasts me. Like you're telling me that the same guy that wasn't strong enough to take on Piccolo in OG Dragon Ball, Radditz or Nappa in Z can suddenly take on these guys with power levels in the thousands like Freeza soldiers in Res F and the contestants in the Tournament of Power??? What???? Super's powerscaling is a mess
I mean, that's not really unheard of. Krillin started out weaker than Roshi when he was young, but then trained his ass off and later became strong enough to keep up with the Ginyu Force, AKA Frieza's most elite soldiers during the Namek-saga.
Are you one of the same guys who constantly complain about the human characters being irrelevant these days? Even if it didn't make sense much, be grateful that Super even used Roshi. This is the first time since the original series that we got action from him. 🙄
The Hit arch was the best, Goku had to put a hit on himself just to get the smoke. Died and brought himself back to life, bruh nobody expected that at all.
Anime: ToP Manga: Everything but the ToP The Anime's ToP would've been second had the Goku Black Arc stuck the landing (either a complete dark messed up ending that lasts and has consequences that go on to future arcs, or a hopeful good ending that also has consequences that go on to future arcs) The ToP had some lame moments here and there, but was a lot more consistent in quality compared to the wild quality shift from the bulk of the Goku Black arc The Manga: It's tournament of power is actually embarassing and Toyo should actually be ashamed of rushing through that. I don't know what was in the water in that era for media, but everyone and their dog was rushing through important stories to get to something else back then.
Yea, I agree with some stuff from the tournament of power. Is that in the anime jiren and the remaining pride trooper just been hiding for the whole tournament? I get it part of there saving their energy, but they could still fight once in a while to help there teammates the manga did it better where since the arena wasn't destroy they have no choice but to fight
TOP was incredibly boring other than UI. Goku Black was great but fumbled the ending. So it comes down to how much you love UI. I think Goku Black is better, but the TOP recruitment/filler episodes were genuinely excellent!
Both sagas were fanservice that have TRIED to be serious. The Goku Black/Zamasu arc had the fanservice of Future Trunks returning, an "Evil Goku", Super Saiyan Rose, a first ever evil Kai, Goku & Vegeta going to Future Trunks' timeline for the first time in their lives, a first time ever fusion villain & Vegito returning. But it was all to demonstrate the omnipotent power of Zeno who had to be summoned to erase the timeline to get rid of Zamasu. But it was only a loss for Future Trunks. Goku & Vegeta still had their timeline full of luxury of Dragon Balls & the full Dragon Team still alive. Future Trunks had to go to a new timeline to live in but Goku's & Vegeta's old lives continued on as usual. The Goku Black/Zamasu arc showed how luxurious the present timeline was compared to the future timeline in the very beginning. In the present when Goku & Vegeta finished their training with Whis & Beerus, they were eating bowls of ramen noodles with corn, meat & butter & they were chilling & talking about how omnipotent Zeno is. But in the Future timeline, Future Trunks & Future Mai were weakened, tired out, hiding & eating dog food & cat food. That is how bad the future was.
Master Roshi having UI-ish abilities in the manga was a great idea but bad to put it against Jiren. IMO it would of been fine against some other weaker fighter.
@@marthouismcmiller4787 Yeah, I don't think the spotlight of Roshi's UI like abilities against Jiren worked. Beenb better to showcase it against someone close to Roshi's power.
@@marthouismcmiller4787 i do get the point of the TOP. And i liked that the manga explored roshi having a lesser version of ui. I just personally dont feel that trying to have a weak char face the strongest worked based on everything we know about the series. Its a power scaling issue and the TOPs power scaling is probably the worst in the entire db series.
Trunks should have received SSJ4 instead of the rage transformation and Trunks should have been allowed to stay in the past, and be able to train with Gohan, Goten, and Kid Trunks instead of the ending he got, and finally be a permanent member of the Z team.
I mostly agree with your points, but there's no real narrative reason for him to get SSJ4, it'd be almost as much of an asspull as Rage, SSJ3? I could see him potentially getting.
@@KaiserMattTygore927 It is Rage base already plus it would be complete opposite of the God forms. Which would be aligned with his nature of being the opposite of Zamasu with his storyline arc. Plus, he did earn this new transformation considerably with how many battles and how much he has gone through. He has no dragonballs and hardly any support. Plus, no point in him having SSJ3 because his SSj2 already equally matched Goku's SSJ3.
Although fun at times,I hated the direction they took with future trunks,taking away his victory over the androids by destroying his world again,note even him getting the final victory
Unfortunately life is like that a lot. I liked that aspect because it was kept real. Or atleast as real as a fiction story can be lol ya know what i mean though
The best 3 arcs for me in order of best to worst is 1) Tournament of Power, 2) Future Trunks even though the ending sucks, 3) Universe 6/7 tournament because there was some funny moments like Vegeta insulting the Metal man and the alien penguin singing the Universe anthem.
I like roshi having a human version of ultra instinct it’s not godlike but it’s a technique which Goku got to gain from his most influential teacher master roshi
Personally if I had to rank the DBS arcs I’d do this. (Anime) 1) tournament of power 2)Super Hero 3)Broly Movie 4)Goku Black Arc 5)Battle of gods 6)U7 VS U6 7)RF Manga 1)Moro Arc 2)Goku Black arc 3)tournament of power 4) Battle of gods 5)Granola Arc 6) U6 VS U7 7)RF
Tournament of power is the best arc. It's premise was based on action. I do wish we got original arcs and not repeats of the movie in the beginning of the show. U can argue the show should of started with goku black but maybe having 2 new arcs would of been the best.
I could pick out alot I like and I dislike about the super animie so far, but ultimately I am just going to stick with one and that is just how the animie in the top handled roshi. It was bad ass, heart warming, a great way to demonstrate experience vs power, and just roshi getting so much love and respect as a charecter in action that we have no seen in decades is just awesome.
Jiren was still mentioned in both Broly and Super Hero... say, mr. Geekdom101, do you think any chances for a movie like "Dragon Ball Super: Jiren" or "Dragon Ball Super: Cooler"?:))
I was re watching the Goku Black arc recently, I used to hate the idea of Trunks having the “spirit sword” by using the Genki Dama, I don’t think it was him at all, it’s almost like life itself was instinctually fighting back by way of offer up the life energy of every living thing left. Trunks was the vessel for life to find a way.
I didn’t even know dragon ball super had return until goku black was announced and trunks returning that kinda broke the info that dragon ball super was coming out in Japan so that’s one the best villains definitely, I like the TOP the most though
It's now been 5 whole years since DBZ Super ended smh. Come on man, it's about time for it to drop. TOP Arch is by far the best arch. It's not even close man. I do love the Goku Black arch because he was a savage and would try to kill anyone in his way. Trying to kill anyone from the present & future is a savage move! I can't wait to see how powerful Black Frieza will be.
What I really like about the Goku Black Arc was it acknowledging if mortals were truly worthy of living in the universe the gods create. Zamasu states that mortals are given wisdom but they continue to fight among each other and become their own downfall and most seem continue this trend and refuse to learn from their mistakes. Zamasu viewed mortals as self-indulgent and primitive and saw no good in them. To him, they were the real evil ones.
Trunks black arc. That's when super started getting good after the horrible start with battle of gods and Frieza retellings. Animation was better, notoshi shida ,trunks was back, an evil Goku. We didn't know who was who. Great fights. Trunks met a slightly older kid trunks again. Last time kid trunks was a baby pulling older trunks hair. Father son galik gun etc. No one at the time was complaining we all were loving that it And Vegeta ... blue....
The tournament of power was one of the best DRAGON BALL sagas, let alone DBS sagas. It was fucking beautiful in so many ways, ESPECIALLY in the anime. Although I do love the Roshi moment in the manga which triggers UI Sign for the first time. That should’ve been in the anime. Everything else, the anime did better.
In the Anime, my vote goes to T.O.P. easily. I feel the art and animation is an edge up, even it got rocky from time to time. The while the pacing was very long, I feel that story was still better than the Goku Black arc as the T.O.P. had the Universe 7 team win using team work and cooperation rather then the protagonist scapegoat their way out of the erasure using the Future Omni King in the end. While I feel the execution of Jiren's backstory could have been better and feel less forced at the last minute, I think Jiren's motivation for his pursuit of strength is better than Zamasu's motivation to commit multiversal genocide because of his skewed and shortsighted views on mortals(in my opinion), with one of the last straws being that he lost a sparring match against Goku. I also think that the T.O.P. had better moments too.
Blue evolution didn’t come out of nowhere vegeta trained in the time chamber prior to the tourney. So it seems justified to me same as why he was much stronger then goku black when he came out the camber in the previous arc
Could you do a possible explanation about the consequences of Zeno leaving trunks universe and abandoning the other 11 universes? Like did Zeno not care that all the gods died? Just anything to give it more depth.
I think which one is better is easy. It has to be the tournament of power. Here's the thing, though. The tournament of power was an almost perfect execution of the story they wanted to tell. It had a lot of potential and lived up to almost all of it. I can only complain about small things like Roshi getting so powerful for fan service. Goku black is a different story. I think that arc had to potential to be the best in all of dragonball, in my opinion. The problem is it lived up to a much lesser percentage of it's overall potential. It's been too long since I've seen this to accurately criticize it. I just know I felt like there was way too much back and forth in time travel and just a lot of stuff they could've taken out and replaced with other stuff. I think it will be a long time before they come out with an arc that had more potential than the goku black arc. They may never do it. It will always be the "what could've been" arc to me.
Future Trunks could have been a great ark to put Goku and Vegeta to the side. You could have Trunks train with Gohan learning the importance that sometimes you need to fight to protect what you love. Showing his universe and what Trunks cares about. Ending with Gohan beating Black in Rose form proving he has more potential than his father and that its not just a strong body, but a strong mortal mind, especially with Gohan being a very peaceful person by nature it could be a bit jarring for Zamasu to see that side in mortals. You want fusion!? Well since DBS all about fan service anyway, lets get a Gohan and Trunks fusion against fused Zamasu just to get people to go insane. At least it would be different than what we already had.
It would make no sense for Trunks not to bring Goku and Vegeta to help unless they were stuck on Beerus's planet and couldn't be contacted like in the recent movie.
I hope people will undersrand this someday, but Gohan should not have "lost" his mystic form or even re-awaken or whatever y'all said. That form became his new base, that's why he's so much stronger, as strong as SS3 Gotenks. Gahhh, this world I live in, lol.
For super saiyan i stopped being seirous about it when i saw goten and trunks do it. Not even because they were angry. But just because. Literally just cause. No explanation. Not even a good reason. So from then on i knew its not something to take seriously at all
When/If Super comes back do you think when they do the Moro/Granolah arc it will be the same as the manga or that they will extend it with longer fights and extra random scenes that was not in the manga.
Goku black was the more unique arc with the cooler concepts. But I don’t think it was executed as well as the tournament of power, and I think the action in the tournament was incredibly done.
Tournament of Power easily the best of Super for me. It was the most fun. The convoluted plot of Goku Black almost made me quit watching the show all together. Only liked the Vegito fight that they then abruptly ruined. Also ruined Trunks' story for me. Universe 6 arc for all its flaws was still better than Goku Black.
Wow, after watching this, it never occurred to me that Trunks was never recruited into the TOP. Can someone explain why that was to me. I understand he is in a different timeline, but i feel it could have been written in somehow. Im probably just tripping lol
I will say, Kefla vs Gohan is way better than Kefla vs Goku because it does a great job of showing how strong Gohan is. In the anime, he needed Frieza's help to take out Dyspo and ONLY Dyspo. But in the manga, Gohan essentially takes out Caulifla AND Kale. They've always talked about how smart and strong Gohan is, and this showed this off way better. And even though Danny said it came out of nowhere, Gohan took on Blue Goku and did a lot better than most of the other fighters did against Blue Goku in the TOP. I dunno, I just enjoyed Gohan getting to flex a bit and prove that he's one of the strongest fighters in Universe 7.
All gohan did was block a punch and land one hit and then got one shotted when he told goku to go all out tho lol that's not doing any better than anyone else
@@PhoenixKing567 In the manga, Gohan and Kefla fight and come to a draw after beating the crap out of each other. In the anime, Gohan needs Frieza's help to cage in Dyspo to limit his movements so he can come to a draw. I thought the fight with Kefla was a bigger flex since Kale alone was eliminating swaths of fighters from the ring. Once she fused to Caulifla, she gained control of her power and tried to eliminate Jiren and Goku but Gohan swatted away one of her energy attacks and declared that he'd take her on. It's a way better showing for Gohan than just Dyspo.
@FoxFighter-HellBringer wait I was talking about goku blue vs gohan before the tournament. But anyway I mean yeah guess that was cool but dyspo was so fast that of course he needed freiza helped to cage him in cause that showed that gohan can take him on too but I get your point
This is my problem with Dragon Ball Super The first 2 arcs I don’t count the I prefer the movie versions I also wished they used SSG more like they did in the manga Universe 6 vs 7 arc 10/10 Goku Black arc I wish they took some things from the manga make Trunks stronger like he was in the manga(he can keep Rage) SS GOKU Black and that’s it. Keep the anime ending not the manga ending but give Trunks the kill. TOP arc 2 things I want them to take from the manga God of Destruction Tournament and give Gohan his manga strength(Gohan vs Kefla) everything else can stay the same like the anime
I agree about your points with TOP. Though, some other things I would've preferred from the manga. Not showing the tingly back transformation and saying nothing about it, Caulifla not going SSJ2, just those. And yeah, the Gohan vs Kefla fight, but giving us more of it than what we got.
REPLY TO THIS BY ANSWERING THESE CATEGORIES WITH YOUR OPINION:
WHICH HAD THE BETTER:
Art - ____
Story - ____
Music - _____
FIghts - ____
Villains/Antagonists - ____
Surprises - ____
Great Moments - _____
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Art= started with episode 47 but some of the episode made it bad animation or art.
Story: Goku black best story in entire Dragonball imo. Frieza will be first cause yes he did bad played with the Saiyan race. But Goku black a supreme kai became a psychopath because of the point of view on mortals.
Music: start with goku black arc (yes bog has those ost's but man when future mai let future trunks leave and future trunks screaming to her ' no mai I can't leave you here again'.
Fight: start with Goku vs zamasu and goku black first fight. (Man Goku was back flipping zamasu's move and fights in the city which was rare to see)
Villain: lol only zamasu was villain in dragon ball super. Frieza just a remake of DBZ ROF which most of the fans ignored it as well as bog arc. U7vsU6 Tournament and tournament of power isn't about villain. So only Villain or best villain was Zamasu.
Surprises: started with Goku black spoilers and final surprises was Goku raged in Mui on jiren but most great surprise was 109-110 together in one day.
Great moment: Vegito my boy.
Art - Top
Story - Goku Black
Music - Top (close)
Fights - Top
Villains/Antagonists - Goku Black
Surprises - Goku Black (close)
Great Moments - Top
I think Tournament of Power is better but is a different type of arc then Goku black, Tournament vs a lore/story based arc.
Art - Tournament of Power
Story - Goku Black
Music - Tournament of Power
Fights - Tournament of Power
Villains/Antagonists - Goku Black
Surprises - Goku Black
Great Moments - Tournament of Power
Overall - Tournament of Power
Goku bustin out the Kaio-ken against Hit was my favorite moment. Ultra Instinct was sick yes. But the nostalgia effect with the Kaio-ken just killed it IMO
You know the more I look back at the tournament of power it really was a great time to be a dragon ball fan every week was exciting and it felt very epic even for dragon ball standards.
That was such a fun time, agreed.
@@KaiserMattTygore927 back then I had no friends who liked DBS. It was a great time to be alive checking youtube streams for new episodes and every dragon ball fan will never forget the hype that was 110. I still remember where I was when I watched it.
HELLA fun
My biggest complaint about the future trunks ending is trunks going to a new universe. To me at that point it makes more sense to me to have him stay in the past then to go to another universe. It would have been an interesting storyline to have him trying to figure out a new life, dealing with the consequences of his failure, and then have him available for future arcs. Like I think it would have been interesting for him in superhero trying to deal with new androids.
Plus he would’ve been among people who he’s bonded with and not duplicates.
THIS.
This would've made the ending so much better, instead of a lame ass offscreen deus ex machina where he has to get used to a second exact set of himself and mai
You really think they were gonna have two Trunks and Mai"s in this timeline?
@@j04370859 Yes. Because one is an adult with different experiences than the child version of himself. 2. They’re easily distinctive. 3. Tournament of Power Trunks? They could’ve had an awesome moment where he and the Androids teamed up. Especially the irony of how they were enemies once.
Toriyama and Toyotaro really fucked yo by not having Future Trunk stay in the current timeline. It would have been great dynamic that would have fit especially with current trunks relationship is stronger with Goten, whereas we could have seen how current Gohan and future trunks would be now that they are older being that this trunks only had gohan in his future timeline.
I think I like the Goku Black Saga because it has loads of plot twists and the mystery about who goku black is
I love it when these 2 guys do a video together. Really insightful content
My favorite Gohan moment in the T.O.P. was when in the earlier episodes when they eliminated one of the universes and a locket fell right in front of Gohan of the warrior he was fighting that had a pic of himself and his family. Gohan looked so hurt. It hit hard cause Gohan was fighting for his family too.
One of the most underrated scenes from T.O.P.
Fam read the Manga, if you like Gohan then in the t.o.p manga arc it does him justice. He beats Kefla 1v1
Totally agree 💯
I always liked that scene too. I wonder if he quit the GSM because of it?
Anyway I prefer the Anime Gohan in its Universal Survival Arc.
@@angeloftheuchiha.4810 what justice, bro, Gohan in the manga was barely there, even in the T.O.P he barely had any on screen fights, even his Kefla fight did not make sense power scaling wise and to top it all off it was an offscreen battle like all of his other fights, the anime did Gohan way better justice with fights that made sense and we got to see them all
@@angeloftheuchiha.4810manga did gohan dirty ngl
For me? TOP Arc because it was good all around. Goku black arc started really good but it went downhill with the ending
Understandable
Please never stop these collab videos. You two are easily the best Dragon Ball youtubers around.
A lot of parallels between the Goku Black arc and the Cell arc!
Trunks coming to the past. A mysterious villain with a plot twist. Multiple plot twists in each arc. They both really kept you guessing!
Also:
1. A villainous duo terrorizing the Future: Cell saga Androids 17 & 18; Goku Black arc Goku Black & Future Zamasu.
2. The main villain is green who think he is the perfect being when he reaches his final form. Cell thought he was perfect after absorbing 17 & 18 & reached Super Saiyan 2 levels of power after Goku teleported him away from earth while Zamasu thought he was perfect & divine when he was fused with the invincible & immortal Future Zamasu & Super Saiyan Rose Goku Black
I like both arcs, but I ABSOLUTELY *LOVE* the Goku Black/Zamasu Arc more, because -
1. There was a good reason as to why Goku Black was as strong as he was, because he was using Goku's body and power and it wasn't like Jiren how he is just here and he is just that strong, because he did have an origin, but that origin was dry as hell.
2. Zamasu/Goku Black actually had a great buildup how he became the way that he became and how his mindset developed.
3. Goku could NOT defeat Goku Black, because every time that Goku fought Goku Black even when enraged all Goku Black is going to do is learn and feed off of Goku and get stronger, which is why Bulma was wrong when she was telling kid Trunks to leave everything to Goku, because Goku cannot beat Goku Black, and this leads to another character being able to get the win and be the main hero of the arc.
4. There was a lot of interesting powers in the Goku Black/Zamasu Arc, now Goku Black just used Goku's powers, but it was really, really interesting to see Goku's own powers and moves being used against him, but mainly powers like the Fused Zamasu thing with Blades of Judgement, and Divine Lightning, and the smoke clones, and the Ki blade and ki scythe, and the smoke bird thing, those were just cool to see.
5. I ABSOLUTELY *LOVED* the ending of the Goku Black Arc, because Zamasu actually won, and I don't care what anyone says about, "Oh they redid that with sending Future Trunks and Future Mai back to an earlier time in their timeline, with getting rid of Zamasu before anything happens," I don't care about that, I mean I hated that, but I was ok with Zamasu killing everyone, because at the end Zamasu got rid of all of the mortals on the planet apart from the main cast, so Zamasu basically got what he wanted, and that was good because it was new and unexpected where the villain actually won apart from the old "The hero always wins" BS, because for the Tournament of Power we all already knew that Universe 7 was already going to win so it kind of takes away from the stakes and surprises, but with Zamasu he succeeded. Now yes, Zamasu did lose overall, but he did get what he wanted, because it was like, "He won the battle, but he lost the war." Kind of a thing. I liked that.
6. The Goku Black/Zamasu Arc had actual stakes, because everyone who died could not be brought back since the Dragon Balls in Trunk's timeline were gone, so those were some actual real deaths in Dragon Ball and that gave the Zamasu/Goku Black Arc actual stakes and actual consequences. If you can't take anything else away from the Zamasu/Goku Black Arc take this away from it.
These are the reasons why I love the Goku Black/Zamasu are over the Tournament of Power are to an extent.
agree but the tournament of power definitely has stakes because even tho universe 7 would survive, we had no idea how and what would happen to all the other universes involved. it had the entire internet on a chokehold for months because of all the tension.
There's way too much wrong with the Black arc. It simple doesn't make sense when broken down.
@@paulerxx There are some imperfections, but I still love the arc.
I absolutely agree with you.
Thank you
@@leultrainstinct406true even though power scaling wasn’t good it was enjoyable
Goku Black/Trunks arc had so much potential to be great
The tournament of power felt like it took the best of all eras of dragon ball and ran with it share. It doesn’t equal the cell saga but damn, the payoffs were great ultra instinct was great and making every character relevant was amazing.
Yeah
It's a shame Dragon Ball Super only really amounted to a prologue multiverse tournament, Goku Black (which totally bastardized Trunks), and then the actual multiverse tournament arc. 2 mini arcs, and then one actual arc. And even including the manga, not one arc has carried the weight or longevity of any of Z's arcs, which pretty much marked entire eras unto themselves (4 clean cut dividers between saiyans, Namek, androids, Buu as the entire story). I guess in this sense it is going back to more original Dragon Ball (non-Z) sorts of arcs?
Jiren is a boring idea but executed well enough which helped him. That is props to the animation team that made him look cool despite the script they were given. I mean the base Toriyama script for him, not the storyboard. The lack of further development him in the next arcs hurt the whole thing more because it left it just the way it were. Jiren needed a tv special like future trunks and Bardock got.
The TOP was dope but the Goku Black Arc was my absolute favorite 🔥
i remember the theories of Black being a makaioshin, think oppai made videos about it too
I definitely think Jiren was more interesting than Hit.
Hit just felt like a guy who was bored with his job, until Goku came along and showed him how to have fun with a fight.
Hits way better cooler abilities and unique, jiren is just another goku and vegeta
There wasn't even a single interesting thing about jiren. He was UTTERLY bland.
That’s cool
Goku Black arc was really strong, let down by an absolute abortion of an ending.
Tournament of Power's drawback was awkward pacing that really dragged out some parts. Also squandered a lot of potential in the newly introduced characters. But it had some amazing moments and an outstanding finish.
Also introduces the best character in all of dragon ball: Jiren.
Best character.
Best character in town.
Jiren was cool. He wasn’t amazing, but I enjoyed him well enough.
Can’t agree more
You have a good point
Can't agree more on basically everything said in here... And to add on to like the whole crap show of Trunks going away to another timeline again?
It threw away some of the best moments of the arc in the anime... Like Future Trunks' conversation with Kid Trunks and, his distrust of meeting 18.
Imagine him on the TOP team when Goku recruits Freeza and 17? How paranoid he could get especially if Trunks made it towards the end. Could have been such great character development. Like 18 was arguably the less evil of the twin androids, and everyone was stronger than her, so it'd be understandable for trunks to accept her a bit more... But then when they find 17 and he's nearly as strong as Goku? And Freeza is as strong as Goku... And it's just the 4 of them vs Jiren. Just imagine his paranoia.
And him seeing Gohan get back into fighting shape and such.
And like Trunks' response when the ToP is made a thing, and he'd also probably get a bit of blame for it too given he was a time traveler that brought the 2nd Zeno around
That’s actually a good idea
Mike must have read the lord of the rings books. Respect
Your videos always make my day man! Thank you!🎉🎉🎉❤❤❤❤❤
Future Trunks arc was good until the finale the only good thing for me is that Zamasu won at the end and Trunks ended up failing and his timeline destroyed. TOP is way better in the anime than the manga and still could have been much better i mean imagine TOP with DBZ style and choreography and not just big scream and yatatatatata
I don't think you really watched it.
@@blackmcbain3145 i mean he did win Trunks failed to save his timeline and a god ended up saving mortals again.
@@blackmcbain3145zamasu did complete his mission technically
@@thesehandsarelethaltrue
I kinda liked the fact that jiren wasn't really helping in the ToP. It shows what a bad teammate he actually is, despite being a member of the pride troopers. The whole point of the pride troopers is fighting evil as a team, but jiren just doesn't get the importance of trust and teamwork. He only steps in when he decides something is worth his time, and he only fights alone. His lack of trust was his biggest weakness, and it ultimately led to his defeat.
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The TOP still holds up and surpasses the Black Arc slightly but there are things they could've done better on in each arc. Super in general is ok but could be better.
Yeah that’s true
Super just got better and better as it went on. Ill always have a soft spot for the beginning arc introducing Beerus and Whis though. That Goku Vs Beerus fight was unforgettable 👌
Both of you really did provide great insight and points into each saga discussed good collaboration video
The emotions I felt during the Ultra Instinct episodes 109 and 110 alone makes me say that the Tournament of Power is my favorite
Those episodes literally broke the internet...debate over
I love these kinds of videos
two of the best DB ytubers bar none!! love to geekdom & LSM dope video, y’all should do DBZ next. also what was more of an ass pull; ikari trunks or gohan blanco ?😂
I would say trunks
goku black was alot more interesting pre zamasu introduction and the ending is so painful becuase in the end trunks kinda just lost after everything and then hes shipped off to another universe to be wasted and never seen again
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Goku Black arc was insane the whole entire way. Easily the best arc so far. It it was just like the manga I think it would an easy top 3
Definitely not that ending
There’s only 3 new arcs in Super tho
@@keross425 top 3 of all time
Mum. Dad. Please don't make me decide.
Catopresla needs his own spinoff manga about his battles in Universe 3, it should be similar to toriyama's Jaco the Galaxtic patrol man manga from years ago.
Goku Black Arc started of strong and Goku Black made for an interesting villain, but it's poor ending makes it a bit hard to go back, among other stuff. Overall, the Manga's ending was way better.
While the TOP Arc had some of the best fights, I also thought the concept of Goku using UI was good but its poor pacing make it a drag to get through and Jiren didn't make for an engaging antagonist overall. The manga, while it still has its own pacing issues, at least had Jiren's personality fleshed out more.
My Results:
Goku Black (Manga)
TOP (Anime)
The Goku Black manga ending was worse, besides the spirit sword. Zamasu became part of the universe, so Zeno, erasing it, felt more justifiable and made more sense, rather than it being because of Zamasu clones. Plus, Trunk's goodbye was more emotional.
Great video
For me its moro i love the top and goku black arc's but the vibe i got from the moro was like dbz though i will admit it lost a little steam in the end its still my favorite dbs arc
This video is just for the anime , but yeah !
@dantess2693 oh I didn't watch enough of it huh 😅
The fact that Roshi was able to hold his own at all in Super really flabbergasts me. Like you're telling me that the same guy that wasn't strong enough to take on Piccolo in OG Dragon Ball, Radditz or Nappa in Z can suddenly take on these guys with power levels in the thousands like Freeza soldiers in Res F and the contestants in the Tournament of Power??? What???? Super's powerscaling is a mess
I mean, that's not really unheard of. Krillin started out weaker than Roshi when he was young, but then trained his ass off and later became strong enough to keep up with the Ginyu Force, AKA Frieza's most elite soldiers during the Namek-saga.
@AndreB23 but the difference is that Krillin actually trained all throughout OG DB, Z and Super, while Roshi didn't until the Tournament came around
Are you one of the same guys who constantly complain about the human characters being irrelevant these days? Even if it didn't make sense much, be grateful that Super even used Roshi. This is the first time since the original series that we got action from him. 🙄
@@AndreB23krillin couldn’t keep up with them tho
@@serranopepperproductions5118krillin didn’t really train much either only for the saiyan arc and androids
The Hit arch was the best, Goku had to put a hit on himself just to get the smoke. Died and brought himself back to life, bruh nobody expected that at all.
Anime: ToP
Manga: Everything but the ToP
The Anime's ToP would've been second had the Goku Black Arc stuck the landing (either a complete dark messed up ending that lasts and has consequences that go on to future arcs, or a hopeful good ending that also has consequences that go on to future arcs)
The ToP had some lame moments here and there, but was a lot more consistent in quality compared to the wild quality shift from the bulk of the Goku Black arc
The Manga: It's tournament of power is actually embarassing and Toyo should actually be ashamed of rushing through that. I don't know what was in the water in that era for media, but everyone and their dog was rushing through important stories to get to something else back then.
I like the TOP in the manga better
The best part of Super was Goku Black pulling a Ki Scythe out of his hand and having no idea wtf he was doing. That was googolplex level coolness
Yeah
Yall blew my mind with the hit-joren comment. I think switching the 2 might have been ideal, but i still love hit and goku’s relationship
TOP was hype. But the Black arc is the FIRST time in a long time I got that DBZ feeling back.
Tournament, tournament, trunks,tournament,trunks,tournament, tournament
And bro these vids are goated hope you know
Yea, I agree with some stuff from the tournament of power. Is that in the anime jiren and the remaining pride trooper just been hiding for the whole tournament? I get it part of there saving their energy, but they could still fight once in a while to help there teammates the manga did it better where since the arena wasn't destroy they have no choice but to fight
TOP was incredibly boring other than UI. Goku Black was great but fumbled the ending. So it comes down to how much you love UI. I think Goku Black is better, but the TOP recruitment/filler episodes were genuinely excellent!
Both sagas were fanservice that have TRIED to be serious. The Goku Black/Zamasu arc had the fanservice of Future Trunks returning, an "Evil Goku", Super Saiyan Rose, a first ever evil Kai, Goku & Vegeta going to Future Trunks' timeline for the first time in their lives, a first time ever fusion villain & Vegito returning. But it was all to demonstrate the omnipotent power of Zeno who had to be summoned to erase the timeline to get rid of Zamasu. But it was only a loss for Future Trunks. Goku & Vegeta still had their timeline full of luxury of Dragon Balls & the full Dragon Team still alive. Future Trunks had to go to a new timeline to live in but Goku's & Vegeta's old lives continued on as usual. The Goku Black/Zamasu arc showed how luxurious the present timeline was compared to the future timeline in the very beginning. In the present when Goku & Vegeta finished their training with Whis & Beerus, they were eating bowls of ramen noodles with corn, meat & butter & they were chilling & talking about how omnipotent Zeno is. But in the Future timeline, Future Trunks & Future Mai were weakened, tired out, hiding & eating dog food & cat food. That is how bad the future was.
Very true
Master Roshi having UI-ish abilities in the manga was a great idea but bad to put it against Jiren. IMO it would of been fine against some other weaker fighter.
Yeah, Roshi should've used that against someone else, not Jiren.
He did use it against everybody else they just didn’t show it
@@marthouismcmiller4787 Yeah, I don't think the spotlight of Roshi's UI like abilities against Jiren worked. Beenb better to showcase it against someone close to Roshi's power.
@@ultrainstinctgokublack9097 it worked perfectly u just missed the whole point of the TOP
@@marthouismcmiller4787 i do get the point of the TOP. And i liked that the manga explored roshi having a lesser version of ui. I just personally dont feel that trying to have a weak char face the strongest worked based on everything we know about the series. Its a power scaling issue and the TOPs power scaling is probably the worst in the entire db series.
Trunks should have received SSJ4 instead of the rage transformation and Trunks should have been allowed to stay in the past, and be able to train with Gohan, Goten, and Kid Trunks instead of the ending he got, and finally be a permanent member of the Z team.
I mostly agree with your points, but there's no real narrative reason for him to get SSJ4, it'd be almost as much of an asspull as Rage, SSJ3? I could see him potentially getting.
Yeah that’s true for the most part except for ssj4
@@KaiserMattTygore927yeah perhaps ssj3 would have been a little better
@@KaiserMattTygore927 It is Rage base already plus it would be complete opposite of the God forms. Which would be aligned with his nature of being the opposite of Zamasu with his storyline arc. Plus, he did earn this new transformation considerably with how many battles and how much he has gone through. He has no dragonballs and hardly any support. Plus, no point in him having SSJ3 because his SSj2 already equally matched Goku's SSJ3.
I remember watching you guys both back in the day and I had never seen yall faces
I think the new saiyans gaining forms fast isn't an issue. They need forms and the story can't pause completely for them to learn.
Yeah that’s pretty much true for most transformations except for blue evolution
Although fun at times,I hated the direction they took with future trunks,taking away his victory over the androids by destroying his world again,note even him getting the final victory
Unfortunately life is like that a lot. I liked that aspect because it was kept real. Or atleast as real as a fiction story can be lol ya know what i mean though
@@scottsroka7783 I guess,but if that’s what they were gonna do with his character,I rather him not come back at all
It makes sense tho u see the difference he made just by goku to the past so it’s good he had consequences in his own future
@@marthouismcmiller4787I see
That’s understandable yeah
The best 3 arcs for me in order of best to worst is 1) Tournament of Power, 2) Future Trunks even though the ending sucks, 3) Universe 6/7 tournament because there was some funny moments like Vegeta insulting the Metal man and the alien penguin singing the Universe anthem.
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I like roshi having a human version of ultra instinct it’s not godlike but it’s a technique which Goku got to gain from his most influential teacher master roshi
Future Trunks: "Hold your fire! This man isn't Black!!"
Coach from Left 4 Dead 2: "Excuse me! Excuse me!!"
I really enjoy the “Battle of Gods” arc
I've been trying to re watch the Goku black arc. There was some inconsistency with how time travel rules.
Like what for example if you don’t mind me asking
Personally if I had to rank the DBS arcs I’d do this.
(Anime)
1) tournament of power
2)Super Hero
3)Broly Movie
4)Goku Black Arc
5)Battle of gods
6)U7 VS U6
7)RF
Manga
1)Moro Arc
2)Goku Black arc
3)tournament of power
4) Battle of gods
5)Granola Arc
6) U6 VS U7
7)RF
Understandable
12:12-12:42 is me. If they kept it like he said it would be by far my favorite moment/form in dragon ball
Tournament of power is the best arc. It's premise was based on action. I do wish we got original arcs and not repeats of the movie in the beginning of the show. U can argue the show should of started with goku black but maybe having 2 new arcs would of been the best.
I could pick out alot I like and I dislike about the super animie so far, but ultimately I am just going to stick with one and that is just how the animie in the top handled roshi. It was bad ass, heart warming, a great way to demonstrate experience vs power, and just roshi getting so much love and respect as a charecter in action that we have no seen in decades is just awesome.
Manga handled roshi better
@@marthouismcmiller4787 I assume you didn't read the manga then XD
@@grandmyotismon i did i like it better than the anime
@@marthouismcmiller4787understandable
Goku black or future trunks is the ark I have watched over and over again more than anything else I just love it.
Holy shit, I haven't been on this channel since DBS ended. And you finally revealed your face broo. When did this happen, and why?
Jiren was still mentioned in both Broly and Super Hero... say, mr. Geekdom101, do you think any chances for a movie like "Dragon Ball Super: Jiren" or "Dragon Ball Super: Cooler"?:))
I was re watching the Goku Black arc recently, I used to hate the idea of Trunks having the “spirit sword” by using the Genki Dama, I don’t think it was him at all, it’s almost like life itself was instinctually fighting back by way of offer up the life energy of every living thing left. Trunks was the vessel for life to find a way.
Okay you really think so
I didn’t even know dragon ball super had return until goku black was announced and trunks returning that kinda broke the info that dragon ball super was coming out in Japan so that’s one the best villains definitely, I like the TOP the most though
I feel like that video that talked about going to cell’s timeline kind of would’ve worked better than what we got was instead no?
In terms of story I'd say the Zamasu arc is better, and it definitely has a better antagonist, but the ToP is more entertaining.
My whole thing is if your mad about kale and kaulifa getting ssj the way they did keep that same energy for goten and trunks
It's now been 5 whole years since DBZ Super ended smh. Come on man, it's about time for it to drop. TOP Arch is by far the best arch. It's not even close man. I do love the Goku Black arch because he was a savage and would try to kill anyone in his way. Trying to kill anyone from the present & future is a savage move! I can't wait to see how powerful Black Frieza will be.
Damn, I was about to go to sleep. 😅
It's 0 o' clock here....
I wish they brought up how cool it was watching Piccolo fight the universe six namekians.
What I really like about the Goku Black Arc was it acknowledging if mortals were truly worthy of living in the universe the gods create. Zamasu states that mortals are given wisdom but they continue to fight among each other and become their own downfall and most seem continue this trend and refuse to learn from their mistakes. Zamasu viewed mortals as self-indulgent and primitive and saw no good in them. To him, they were the real evil ones.
The Goku Black Arc was more fleshed out in the manga than the anime.
Trunks black arc. That's when super started getting good after the horrible start with battle of gods and Frieza retellings. Animation was better, notoshi shida ,trunks was back, an evil Goku. We didn't know who was who. Great fights. Trunks met a slightly older kid trunks again. Last time kid trunks was a baby pulling older trunks hair. Father son galik gun etc. No one at the time was complaining we all were loving that it And Vegeta ... blue....
The tournament of power was one of the best DRAGON BALL sagas, let alone DBS sagas. It was fucking beautiful in so many ways, ESPECIALLY in the anime. Although I do love the Roshi moment in the manga which triggers UI Sign for the first time. That should’ve been in the anime. Everything else, the anime did better.
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In the Anime, my vote goes to T.O.P. easily. I feel the art and animation is an edge up, even it got rocky from time to time. The while the pacing was very long, I feel that story was still better than the Goku Black arc as the T.O.P. had the Universe 7 team win using team work and cooperation rather then the protagonist scapegoat their way out of the erasure using the Future Omni King in the end. While I feel the execution of Jiren's backstory could have been better and feel less forced at the last minute, I think Jiren's motivation for his pursuit of strength is better than Zamasu's motivation to commit multiversal genocide because of his skewed and shortsighted views on mortals(in my opinion), with one of the last straws being that he lost a sparring match against Goku. I also think that the T.O.P. had better moments too.
Yeah I’m with you
I can understand the hate for the future saga ending the way that it did
Blue evolution didn’t come out of nowhere vegeta trained in the time chamber prior to the tourney. So it seems justified to me same as why he was much stronger then goku black when he came out the camber in the previous arc
Yeah very true honestly
Could you do a possible explanation about the consequences of Zeno leaving trunks universe and abandoning the other 11 universes? Like did Zeno not care that all the gods died? Just anything to give it more depth.
I really wish they would just make movies of both these arcs that clean them up, and make them the new continuity of the show when it comes back.
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I think which one is better is easy. It has to be the tournament of power. Here's the thing, though. The tournament of power was an almost perfect execution of the story they wanted to tell. It had a lot of potential and lived up to almost all of it. I can only complain about small things like Roshi getting so powerful for fan service.
Goku black is a different story. I think that arc had to potential to be the best in all of dragonball, in my opinion. The problem is it lived up to a much lesser percentage of it's overall potential. It's been too long since I've seen this to accurately criticize it. I just know I felt like there was way too much back and forth in time travel and just a lot of stuff they could've taken out and replaced with other stuff.
I think it will be a long time before they come out with an arc that had more potential than the goku black arc. They may never do it. It will always be the "what could've been" arc to me.
i am a man i just want to see fights none of that pussy shit.
That’s fine
Can't see the goku vs vegeta design tshirts on the store
Future Trunks could have been a great ark to put Goku and Vegeta to the side. You could have Trunks train with Gohan learning the importance that sometimes you need to fight to protect what you love. Showing his universe and what Trunks cares about. Ending with Gohan beating Black in Rose form proving he has more potential than his father and that its not just a strong body, but a strong mortal mind, especially with Gohan being a very peaceful person by nature it could be a bit jarring for Zamasu to see that side in mortals. You want fusion!? Well since DBS all about fan service anyway, lets get a Gohan and Trunks fusion against fused Zamasu just to get people to go insane. At least it would be different than what we already had.
It would make no sense for Trunks not to bring Goku and Vegeta to help unless they were stuck on Beerus's planet and couldn't be contacted like in the recent movie.
@@j04370859yeah
I always wondered how the pilaf gang wished to be young in this timeline. Piccolos been gone in that timeline
I hope people will undersrand this someday, but Gohan should not have "lost" his mystic form or even re-awaken or whatever y'all said. That form became his new base, that's why he's so much stronger, as strong as SS3 Gotenks. Gahhh, this world I live in, lol.
Is that actually true
For super saiyan i stopped being seirous about it when i saw goten and trunks do it. Not even because they were angry. But just because. Literally just cause. No explanation. Not even a good reason. So from then on i knew its not something to take seriously at all
It has to be TOP arc since the Zamasu arc seemed like it could have been over faster given its settings
Obviously TOP is my favorite arc.
When/If Super comes back do you think when they do the Moro/Granolah arc it will be the same as the manga or that they will extend it with longer fights and extra random scenes that was not in the manga.
They'll do what any manga adaption does. Adapt it, but yes, add new scenes.
Hey rq it's been a lil minute but how did zeno prove zamasu right when he destroyed the timeline?
Goku black was the more unique arc with the cooler concepts. But I don’t think it was executed as well as the tournament of power, and I think the action in the tournament was incredibly done.
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@@joshuahackshaw7703 I posted this comment two weeks ago. Why did you waste your time replying to it?
@@deamon506 just saying
Tournament of Power easily the best of Super for me. It was the most fun. The convoluted plot of Goku Black almost made me quit watching the show all together. Only liked the Vegito fight that they then abruptly ruined. Also ruined Trunks' story for me. Universe 6 arc for all its flaws was still better than Goku Black.
Wow, after watching this, it never occurred to me that Trunks was never recruited into the TOP. Can someone explain why that was to me. I understand he is in a different timeline, but i feel it could have been written in somehow. Im probably just tripping lol
No you have a point but you know time traveling is forbidden
I will say, Kefla vs Gohan is way better than Kefla vs Goku because it does a great job of showing how strong Gohan is. In the anime, he needed Frieza's help to take out Dyspo and ONLY Dyspo. But in the manga, Gohan essentially takes out Caulifla AND Kale. They've always talked about how smart and strong Gohan is, and this showed this off way better. And even though Danny said it came out of nowhere, Gohan took on Blue Goku and did a lot better than most of the other fighters did against Blue Goku in the TOP. I dunno, I just enjoyed Gohan getting to flex a bit and prove that he's one of the strongest fighters in Universe 7.
All gohan did was block a punch and land one hit and then got one shotted when he told goku to go all out tho lol that's not doing any better than anyone else
@@PhoenixKing567 In the manga? No.
@FoxFighter-HellBringer oh don't remember them fighting in the manga
@@PhoenixKing567 In the manga, Gohan and Kefla fight and come to a draw after beating the crap out of each other. In the anime, Gohan needs Frieza's help to cage in Dyspo to limit his movements so he can come to a draw. I thought the fight with Kefla was a bigger flex since Kale alone was eliminating swaths of fighters from the ring. Once she fused to Caulifla, she gained control of her power and tried to eliminate Jiren and Goku but Gohan swatted away one of her energy attacks and declared that he'd take her on. It's a way better showing for Gohan than just Dyspo.
@FoxFighter-HellBringer wait I was talking about goku blue vs gohan before the tournament. But anyway I mean yeah guess that was cool but dyspo was so fast that of course he needed freiza helped to cage him in cause that showed that gohan can take him on too but I get your point
Goku Black arc was the best at that time I met my favourite villian
Zamasu!!
But zamasu as goku Black is 🔥🔥
He is just so badaas
My question is was Turles inspired for goku black?
This is my problem with Dragon Ball Super
The first 2 arcs I don’t count the I prefer the movie versions I also wished they used SSG more like they did in the manga
Universe 6 vs 7 arc 10/10
Goku Black arc I wish they took some things from the manga make Trunks stronger like he was in the manga(he can keep Rage) SS GOKU Black and that’s it. Keep the anime ending not the manga ending but give Trunks the kill.
TOP arc 2 things I want them to take from the manga God of Destruction Tournament and give Gohan his manga strength(Gohan vs Kefla) everything else can stay the same like the anime
I agree about your points with TOP. Though, some other things I would've preferred from the manga. Not showing the tingly back transformation and saying nothing about it, Caulifla not going SSJ2, just those. And yeah, the Gohan vs Kefla fight, but giving us more of it than what we got.
Cool
@@j04370859is it because caulifla got it to quickly right?
1:45 so geekdom you're saying that the buu arc is better than the Tournament Of Power:)
Most probably will say the TOP
I do
That’s understandable
The tournament of power arc was way too long and wasn't good. The Universe 6 arc was better. The Goku Black arc was too repetitive and it was bad.
16:24 wasn’t it also in the anime ?? i think gowasu mentions the universe 12 time traveler