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The Thraxan are such a clever way to put you into Nolan's perspective. What we feel about their lilfespan is what he feels about humans'. Even Mark has a line about "bugs", undermining their race without meaning to. The way they're modeled after bugs is genious too, because you don't empathize much with them at first. It works to make you see under a new light what Nolan meant when she referred to Debbie as a "pet", as much as it's heartbreaking and not justifiable, it makes sense to him to see us as bugs or animals. Furthermore, showing how Nolan cared about the Thraxan which have a fraction of humans' lifespan already, is a great way to show his redemption arc forming.
I never thought of Nolan trying to trick Mark into joining the V fight, or possibly joining them with him. The flashback of him flying through space and feeling regret, almost ending it all speaks volumes. The comments about Mark referring to the Thraxans as bugs makes you understand what Nolan was thinking.
Yeah it's like they totally ignored the beginning of the episode and had already made up their minds that "nolan = bad" and anything he does is selfish and bad.
@@Tattletale-Delta exactly. He’s probably more human emotionally if anything - making a huge mistake and hating yourself for it internally. People can change and I think Nolan has begun that process.
It isn't fair for Omni-Man to request Mark's help, that is true. But the entire point of that, is to point out that Nolan genuinely wants his people, his wife and his baby safe. And the only person he knows he could ever rely on when it came to being somewhat capable is Mark. He's begging Mark to help him, not for himself, not for Viltrum, but for a life-form he would previously never have even deemed worthy of living.
@@Celestial26to provide back up, TO save his people. Like I said, it's unfair of Nolan to ask that of Mark. Of course he has every right to fly away, but that wasn't my point...
@@Yoinkyy your point is omni man is feeling shit he didnt think he would and now thinks he can lay down some of his responsibilities on his kid who he knows feels these things far greater than he can. Ok. Nothing Celestial26 said went against that.
@@deathsaidhello Brother, my POINT is that he's not relying on Mark and putting responsibility on him because he's a manipulative prick, but because he doesn't know who else to rely on when it comes to protecting his people. He genuinely wants them safe. I DID say that it is in fact unfair from Omni-Man to rely on Mark like that, but what he's doing isn't ill-spirited. He truly does mean well
It's such a great parallel to see Nolan genuinely care about the Thraxans considering they have a lifespan of a single year. Remember how Nolan's argument towards killing humanity was "Now or in fifty years, what difference does it make?" He thought of them like fragile insects that didn't matter. Yet here he is caring about a species that fit those descriptions perfectly
Well, good that it wasn't ... I want more! xD But sadly, it's almost equivalent to a season finale, because we still have to wait a few months now >.> Not years, that's another upside xD
@@billbill6094 nolan was a hero for 20 years thats nothing to the 1000 years at least he spebt conquering planets for the empire. he was with the Viltrumite invasion of Unopa Allens people
@@jonreese7066 Yeah, but he completely lost the Viltrum empire by leaving Earth, and completely lost his family by killing millions. All that's left was the hero he became by choice.
@@jonreese7066 Mans was gonna kill himself over those 20 years. And was Indoctrinated since the beginning. Being a hero is the only way he knows that made people feel better
Yes, he actually didnt lure mark because of selfish reason or trying to recruit him.@@BaddMedicine. I don't want to give no spoiler from the comic, but from now on try to watch this show, with the perspective of the lesser evil
I know this is cliche.. but after reading all of invincible. This show /comic is so well written and this is only like 1/100th how fire it gets. Excited to watch it be animated
@@jaealxndr I think he’ll easily be the finale of next season. Maybe that thing that happens before conquest is the final episode, then the last line is his intro line
Nolan's intentions are genuine, he's just struggling to overcome centuries of indoctrination and radicalisation. He wants to change and does genuinely regret his actions, but it's not easy.
@06:00 they really mirrored Omni man and Debbie perfectly, the way he flew and the way she was walking bare foot, the coffee shop mirrors the planet he flew past, the highway she almost jumped off of mirrored the black hole Omni man almost let himself fall into, not just “Fear the walking dead” but a lot of shows could learn from these writers.
You guys need to realize how Nolan and other Viltrumites think. How they see humans, is how we see the thraxans. Short lived creatures. Yes Nolan did unspeakable and awful things, but i dont think he has ulteriror motives for Mark. We know he genuinely loves him, Viltrumites are just brought up in a universe of violence and indoctrination. Nolan knows he cant be forgiven for what he did on Earth, but that doesnt mean he cant develop good in him. You can see the struggle he has with himself, "I'm not supposed to feel this way", he says to Mark. Hes crying becuase all he's known is conquering and violence and he doesn't know how to react towards compassion for a race he'd nornally deem lesser then viltrumites
Omni-Man did unforgivable things, but I believe he wants to do good. Even at the end of last season I thought he really loved Debbie, but he was trying to convince himself that he hadn’t become ‘weak’ by developing human emotions.
@@DelRico2x The complexity is one of the things I love about the show. I can’t agree that saving Earth from meteors etc makes it ok to maliciously kill thousands. Just to make a point how fragile humans are. He spent 20 years doing good, but seems was he just taking a break from his duty to subjugate Earth. I am open to a redemption arc because I do think there is good in him, but that doesn’t mean what he did should be forgiven or forgotten.
@@afrancis1582 it was a scorched earth attempt to force himself to do something he didn't believe in anymore. like quitting your job because you don't want to allow yourself to return to that even if in the end it was the better life and you've only hurt yourself by doing so.
Nolan tricking Mark into visiting him is the best case scenario really. The Viltrumites were going to earth either way. It's better that Mark be prepared now than blindsided later.
It flies by our heads but Mark, in speed time, passed through what Nolan did back on earth. From non chalant indiference, to rage and denial to giving in and helping. also now we see that Nolan was TOTALLY HOLDING BACK. Not only against Mark but against the Guardians too.
@@quanicle101 Maybe in the comics it's clarified but when you compare the two fights there are glaring differences that make me think he at least was letting them do some hits as part of the deception or maybe it was part of his strategy to deal with the ones with more annoying powers. Despite bleeding through and losing, When Nolan faces the viltrumites all his hits are basically MK X-RAYS and fatalities, he RIPPED and CRUSHED 3 viltrumites with visibly way less trouble. When he faced the guardians, despite having all the advantages of an ambush it took way longer to finish them, despite being capable of ripping the guts of a viltrumite with his bare hands, through the whole fights he was relying on weapons or using their powers agaisnt each other. I can understand being cautious with Green Ghost and Red Rush but the others shouldn't even be a fight and despite seemly holding off for a while they barely ripped Nolan's suit and gave him a swollen face. I guess it also could be power creep at it's finnest but it does look weird still
@@ricardomiles2957 in the comics he kills them all VERY quickly. with no struggle at all. Nobody even knew he was there. So my assumption is that in the show, he held back to pretend he got attacked too
@quanicle101 he had to make himself look hurt to convince Cecil it wasn't him... which worked until ep 6 or 7. Why is that so hard for people to understand? He could have one shotted them all.
I dont think Nolan "planned" anything or "work" Mark lol. The episode literally portrays that. And about the "no sympathies" comment, I get it. But remember, anyone is capable of great love and great evil. Nolan was indocrinated into a sick society. We all know unlearnig behaviour is hard and mentally taxing, so I don't think he planned anything that doesn't make sense. I think it was just good writing. Lets move on from the Omni-Man hate cause there's a new, bigger threat upon us now. What I agree with is yes, he could have left so that they don't track him there. But as he said, he felt like he needed to protect them, and having a kid doesn't make it better cause he got attached😂. Very stupid move yes. AND Omni-Man does indeed love his children guys lol. This episode confirmed that. Are we watching the same episode Dave?😭 He didn't literally didn't "plan" anything what do you mean? They are even going to execute him.
Completely with you on that. What Nolan did on Earth was monstrous, but I don’t think he is a monster. He’s from a society where caring is weakness, and the weak are ‘purged’. But he does love both his families, and he wants to do good.
@@afrancis1582 Especially because in retrospect it wouldn't make sense to then annihilate the three Viltrumites if he was intending to join them anyway
That's a pretty wild vibe out of nowhere. Omniman was never a natural manipulator or a guy behind the scenes who had his hands on everything. He for the most part goes down the straight and narrow.
This episode is soo much better than the comic panel. So glad that mark actually go toe to toe with viltrumites! And not just got beaten like every single time 😂😂😂
I just want to say that when omni man referred to his wife as a pet I don't think he meant it in a disrespectful fucked up way. The majority of pet owners love and care very much for their pets and they are a part of our family. We take care of them treat them respectfully and would hurt someone over them. Lol. Our pets, unless you got a turtle who can outlive you, are only in our lives for a limited amount of time. Sometimes we get another one sometimes we don't. I don't think Omni man was faking his love for Debbie. I mean what would be the point. He was even saying in season 1 that it wouldn't be so bad if Mark didn't get powers. He knew once that happened his "takeover " would basically have to begin. Also, I disagree that omni man was being manipulative in bringing Mark to the thraxn planet . I may be wrong but that's just my opinion. Great reaction guts. I was looking forward to this episode
@@DOWNTOWNMAKur taking it a bit too hyper literally, its just a life span difference thing. If u grew up the way nolan had & could live thousands of years you’d probably have a similar mindset about human life spans
@@kassiogomes8498 it’s not really entirely his fault that’s he’s that if he along with his entire race were indoctrinated to be the way they are I never said what he did was ok, what im saying is i get why he did it & why it’s hard for him to change U obviously don’t like nuance or the idea of understanding other ppls perspective but i do
Viltrumites always been violent there's no room for weakness because all the other that are against this way off life has died so Nolan may look 40 and 50 but remember he is over 2000 years old been indoctrinated but his 20 years on earth has changed him a bit what he did might have been awful but really if he didn't care he wouldn't have left and him bringing Mark out there isn't about him saving himself he does care about these people and he can't keep running it's better that Mark knows what coming thrn him being surprised
18:20 I mean he really just wanted a new group of people to protect and a new place to call home. I wouldn't say it's his fault when Viltrumites are infiltrating his new home killing his own people for no reason except cruelty.
They are moving fast with this show. People who read the comics thought the Allen stuff and Nolan reveal would come as the finale or at the start of Season 3. Also it wasn't planned and he didn't know.
Which is a surprise with how they handled the story in season 1. Hopefully they don’t go too fast after this. They say they want to go for 7-8 seasons including the special episodes adapting the side stories that tie in.
@BaddMedicine I haven't seen others mention this so here are my thoughts about Nolan. I think calling Debbie a 'pet' is a lie he told himself. It's how he would've thought of her in the old days, but being on Earth, the people (especially Debbie and Mark) changed him. While it was believed Mark was 'only human' there was still time for Nolan to work out his past and present. I could see Viltrum waiting about 100 years before wondering what happened to Nolan and getting around to finding out. But then Mark's powers came in and Nolan knew that he'd have to make a choice. When Viltrum checks in and if they find that not only did Nolan had a son with an Earthling but he didn't complete his mission then Viltrum's response wouldn't be to conquer Earth but to annihilate it. Imagine after thousands of years one of your warriors is 'brainwashed' into not only betraying Viltrum but now protecting the world that Viltrumite was sent to conquer. Would you allow that planet to survive? Nolan knew this and that's where the choice comes in. Do you go with how you've lived for thousands of years, after conquering hundreds of planets? Or, do you against that and throw it away for a life you've only had for 20 years? Fast forwarding past his choice to the conclusion where he is standing over his son's broken body, I feel that Nolan confirmed his fear, he has changed, and that now he can't go back to how things were with Mark and Debbie, so he leaves. What he experiences with the Thraxans just proves to him that he has changed but hasn't reconciled with it. In 2x4, we confirm this when he grabs Mark by the neck and vents his frustration. For us, it's a no-brainer, but for someone who has been without them for thousands of years I'm sure it had a great impact on him. As for needing Mark to fight on Thraxa I think Nolan's need for Mark's help is solely for protecting Nolan's Thraxan family. If he hadn't recruited Mark would Nolan's Thraxan family have survived? That brings me to, "what would happen if Nolan just left Thraxa"? The Viltrumites would've killed even more Thraxans, especially Nolan's Thraxan wife and son. I also think that if they didn't find Nolan on Thraxa that they'd just go to Earth. Earlier I said that the Viltrumites might've given Nolan 100 years before they checked in. I don't think that'll be the case with Mark. I think they'll give him however long it would take a Viltrumite to heal, get to Earth, and conquer it.
This isn't aimed at Badd Medicine, but I've lost count of how many people think or blame the strikes or say the production crew is lazy for the show going on break during the holidays. It's driving me nuts. Shows go on planned hiatuses during the holidays ALL the time. This isn't some new thing that happened because the planets misaligned. The writing and voice line recording were probably done a year ago, way before the strikes. Animation production itself was not affected by the strikes. Only more recent things like Beyond The Spider-Verse are affected because they're still in pre-production.
Without spoilers, can confirm that Nolan didn’t plan what happened with the Thraxan’s or Mark. He genuinely wanted/needed Mark’s help and thought they had more time. Above all, Omni-man genuinely wanted to protect his family. What he said was correct, if they’d gotten a hold of Mark’s brother, they would have killed him on -sight since Viltrumites are only allowed to mate with genetically similar species to keep the bloodline as “pure” as possible.
Did y’all notice what Lucan said? “You knew the consequences when you had them.” Keep that in mind when you see scenes with Nolan like at the end of the ‘Atom Eve’ special and others from season one when Nolan’s feelings are communicated by only his facial tics.
Despite being waay older Viltrumites dont seem to be hand to hand combat experts because they one shot all their opponents. Nolan and Mark are different. It gave them an advantage in this fight.
@@austinstino7571 so despite being thousands of years older and experts in hand to hand combat Thula was defeated by Mark an 18 year old with maybe a year of experience
What are you talking about? Viltrumites literally had a species-wide battle royal with sole goal of culling the weak from their society. Every living Viltrumite should have tons of experience in fighting against their own species
@@jonreese7066Mark didnt actually beat her tho. He got a few lucky hits in after she saw how he fought and wasnt expecting him to come back like that. But the fact she was able to stab him means he didn't actually beat her and if it wasn't for Nolan, Mark woulf he dead.
I think if Nolan left with Andressa and the kid Viltrumites would come torture everyone and probably destroy the planet. Part of this is Nolan realizing he does care about others even if they aren’t as strong as his people
Naw Nolan didnt know they would be there that soon. He isn’t playing any game on Mark. As strong as Nolan is he could probably take out only 2 or 3 by himself before he would get taken out. He was distracted this episode because he kept having to save Mark. He did intentionally get mark because he did need help. And with the proper training Mark would be a force to reckon with. And Nolan still cares about his son and Debbie. Debbie would be dead if he didn’t care. And Nolan still called mark son and his child. It’s like when mark says Omni ain’t his father but yet still calls out for his dad all throughout this episode
the thing with Nolan not leaving the planet was cause he didnt know what they knew, maybe they knew about his kid, maybe they knew which planet he was on and if he had left that wouldve left the planet defenseless so he needed Mark to help him defend the planet but before they could even prepare and come up with a plan the Viltrumites were already there.
Not a spoiler as we literally watched him contemplating ending himself in a black hole before the spacecraft in distress being dragged into that same black hole happened by
This episode was insane. They definitely kept close to the comics. It's upsetting that we have to wait until early January for part 2 of season 2, and it just starting to get good so far this season. Messed up thwy gonna leave us hanging like this
I don't know why people have forgotten this, but Viltrumites WANT TO CONQUER THE UNIVERSE. They were going to destroy Thraxas regardless. They were headed to Earth REGARDLESS. Especially when they found out Nolan left his post, which they didn't know until Allen said it. That moved Earth and any planet close up on the list. Plus NO, Nolan would not have brought Mark if he knew he would be distracted by saving him, why bring your weakness if you knew they were coming early. Again him calling Debbie a pet is reference to the fact, her lifespan is way, way shorter than his. Look at how ya'll looked at the Thraxans.
Maybe my favorite thing about this episode is how perfectly the Nolen and Debbie scenes mirror each other...except when Debbie gets to the point where she thinks about ending things she just decides not to do it, where Nolen needed something else to stop him. Because, as Art said, she's stronger than he is.
Theres like a solid three and a half hours of invincible content not counting the atom eve special , and some people(not anyone here) are actually complaining they arent rushing the animation and overworking the team for no money lol. We are getting it back early next year , and its december , if fans are so impatient , go read the comics . I sound negative but im just really excited but i know to be patient , like u guys , have. Agreat day
I know with most super heros their Mom especially doesn't survive and there trying to make us like Debbie. I also notice Debbie doesn't lock her door and this is the second time someone has been or walked in her house 💡
The interesting part in the episode is when Omni-Man stops himself from ending his own life because of a distraction. And then there's Debbie, just stopping herself, as mentioned by Art (New Rockstar).
No matter what. Earth was in trouble as soon as the Viltrumites sent Nolan there as his post. Him leaving doesn't save Earth nor does it save Mark. It is actually good Mark fought a Viltrumite there alongside his dad coaching him despite what Nolan has done in the past. If Mark didn't get this chance and the Viltrumites came to Earth, there is no doubt he would be killed, and Earth would be enslaved. Having said that, Nolan having a kid on the bug planet caused issues for the Bug people but if Nolan committed suicide instead then Mark would not have this much needed moment.
I believe in the comics Nolan is one of the most elite Viltrumite soldiers of the whole empire, he's not there strongest however, that title goes to either Conquest or Grand Regional Thragg, but Nolan is significantly stronger than most Viltrumites
When Nolan grabbed Mark by the throat he was in his own way reaching out to his son who made him leave earth for the guilt he had. He doesn't understand the feelings he's dealing with and as he said a Viltrumite is not supposed to have these types of feelings for people considered beneath him. That's part of the reason he summoned Mark there.
Nolan dont force the Traxians to make him emperor, they basically force the title on him, you see Traxians have a very short life, so wisdom and old age is very important for Thraxians, normally the rule of th eplanet is someone very old, after they find Omniman is thousands of years old, they, they basically beg him to become emperor Nolan also dont planed the situation to force Mark's hand, the Viltrumites find out about him way faster than they are supose to, because of the mole on the Coalision of Planets, in short the Viltrumites arrive way soon because Mark leak the information to Allen that leak the information to the Coalision of Planets that leak to the Mole that leak to the Viltrumites, so is more Mark fault than Omniman
After the episode & Alan's backstory in the last episode, I was thinking maybe Donald was the human version of remade DNA optimized to fight Omniman. I haven't read the comics so maybe he's a robot, but I'm hoping they took some old Donald DNA and some Mark DNA and spliced together a human Alan. I hope Cecil was thinking that Donald had already sacrificed himself to buy the planet time, so he'd already have the perfect sacrificial soldier mentality.
I think he became humanized by his time on Earth as a father. This changed his moral compass. I have hope for the father. Can't wait for the next half of the season. Ahhhh, great writing! 👍
Notice how Nolan does not apologise for what happened on Earth. He really only care about keeping Mark alive. Because no matter what, he's a Viltrumite through and through. He just wants Mark to understand that. And that linevabout reading his books is key. I hope Mark gets it and reads those books. It's super important since Nolan has never mentioned his books befote he knew he was going to die
Thinking about if Donald is a clone or not got me thinking about the Venture Brothers (Spoilers, but if you haven't watched Venture bros by now, it's your own fault). When Dean found out he was a clone and the real Dean Venture was dead, it devastated him, threw him into a serious identity crisis, but when Hank found out, it didn't bother him at all, in fact he even points out that if the previous "real" Hank hadn't died, then the current clone Hank wouldn't be alive, and he likes being alive.
its clear these people didn't understand Nolan at all, he does care, but he believes he shouldn't, which was why he spent the entire fight with Invincible trying to convince HIMSELF of his actions. he lost that argument. Nolan fails to reject his humanity while Mark refuses to give it up.
If Nolan had left, the viltrumites would have still arrived at the planet and most likely killed all of them because as he said they're barely a species, and too weak too even be considered part of the empire.
Yeah the break isn't because of the strike, Kirkman just decided to take a short break around the holidays so that the show didn't get lost among all the christmas festivities, and also to give people time to really let these last episodes sink in and marinate. I believe they said show is actually coming back very quickly sometime in January.
"Trying to turn Mark into his successor as a Viltrumite"? He's literally fighting against his Viltrumite ideals and protecting a planet full of lifeforms, he would've deemed worthless last season. Nolan even begins crying from seeing his newfound community slaughtered because him, being a Viltrumite, isn't supposed to feel empathy for creatures weaker than themselves. Just kinda an illogical statement there. I know it's hard to understand where Nolan is coming from, but you gotta realize that were putting a loot of human morals and ethics and forcing them onto Nolan, whose philosophy used to purely exist for duty, battle and conquest. He's conquered planets for thousands of years with no remorse, so him even feeling ANY kind of empathy is INSANE considering he is a Viltrumite.
@@Tattletale-Delta I wouldn't say they were frustrating to watch, it's just more that they completely villainize Nolan even though he's not showing any malicious intent. I don't blame them for it though, they don't know the comics and what Nolan did is WAAY horrible
16:46 As much as people want to hate Nolan for what he did, that's okay to a point, but it's not okay to focus on just one bad day when everything fell apart. Debbie is not alone responsible for the person Mark has become, Nolan may not have always been home but he was a hero and he didn't hide that from his son, and Mark grew up wanting to be like his father, that he would get his powers and be a hero, his mother was a part of his development but Nolan had a big role in his life as well, but now it's easy to ignore all that, and that only Debbie is important (this is probably his way in this scene saying things to comfort Debbie while she's in this state). Who would have thought that 20 years of living on earth has such an effect on a conqueror of worlds, who has already lived and conquered for thousands of years without mercy, and people still think that Nolan was faking his feelings the whole time. Nolan did love his wife and son on earth, which is the reason why he didn't kill them, people forget that Nolan is thousands of years old, and that 20 years is not a big deal for him, but after he got married and had a son, he came to love the world because of them, and probably hoped Mark wouldn't take on his genes and powers, so he would probably wait until their lives were up before returning to his mission.
I think the car couple are meant to look like her parents to make it more impactful for her that people got hurt on her account. Great reaction as usual guys
I wonder how people would react when Mark tells them what happened Will Cecil and the New GG believe Mark would they trust him? I know Andressa would likely die of old age before Mark gets back but I wish Andressa could meet Deb. I feel like Andressa is a good person
That's the ending we have to wait on??? Great to have an equal fight between Omni-man and the Viltrumites. What was your reaction? Did we miss anything?
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The ending is pulled from comics very accurate. And I read in the comics . Mark brings brother home and Debbie raises him .
The Thraxan are such a clever way to put you into Nolan's perspective. What we feel about their lilfespan is what he feels about humans'. Even Mark has a line about "bugs", undermining their race without meaning to. The way they're modeled after bugs is genious too, because you don't empathize much with them at first. It works to make you see under a new light what Nolan meant when she referred to Debbie as a "pet", as much as it's heartbreaking and not justifiable, it makes sense to him to see us as bugs or animals. Furthermore, showing how Nolan cared about the Thraxan which have a fraction of humans' lifespan already, is a great way to show his redemption arc forming.
you're absolutely right! didn't see it that way
OHHHHHHH RIGHT
Ha! I just made the same comment basically 😂
I mean they ARE bugs
Well Said
I never thought of Nolan trying to trick Mark into joining the V fight, or possibly joining them with him. The flashback of him flying through space and feeling regret, almost ending it all speaks volumes. The comments about Mark referring to the Thraxans as bugs makes you understand what Nolan was thinking.
Yeah it's like they totally ignored the beginning of the episode and had already made up their minds that "nolan = bad" and anything he does is selfish and bad.
@@Tattletale-Delta exactly. He’s probably more human emotionally if anything - making a huge mistake and hating yourself for it internally. People can change and I think Nolan has begun that process.
@@stephenochosiete9869 he began the process 20 years ago, he attempted to reject it.
@@Tattletale-Deltathe fan base in a very pea brained and doesn’t understand nuance so of course they aren’t even trying to understand Nolan position😂
The Parallels of Nolan and Debbie's scenes, so awesome. He about to off himself in a blackhole, she about to jump off the bridge. So good.
It isn't fair for Omni-Man to request Mark's help, that is true.
But the entire point of that, is to point out that Nolan genuinely wants his people, his wife and his baby safe.
And the only person he knows he could ever rely on when it came to being somewhat capable is Mark. He's begging Mark to help him, not for himself, not for Viltrum, but for a life-form he would previously never have even deemed worthy of living.
Exactly
He’s relying on marks humanity to of course, look past his misdeeds and blindly provide back up. Mark has every right to say NO and fly tf away.
@@Celestial26to provide back up, TO save his people. Like I said, it's unfair of Nolan to ask that of Mark. Of course he has every right to fly away, but that wasn't my point...
@@Yoinkyy your point is omni man is feeling shit he didnt think he would and now thinks he can lay down some of his responsibilities on his kid who he knows feels these things far greater than he can. Ok. Nothing Celestial26 said went against that.
@@deathsaidhello Brother, my POINT is that he's not relying on Mark and putting responsibility on him because he's a manipulative prick, but because he doesn't know who else to rely on when it comes to protecting his people. He genuinely wants them safe. I DID say that it is in fact unfair from Omni-Man to rely on Mark like that, but what he's doing isn't ill-spirited. He truly does mean well
It's such a great parallel to see Nolan genuinely care about the Thraxans considering they have a lifespan of a single year.
Remember how Nolan's argument towards killing humanity was "Now or in fifty years, what difference does it make?"
He thought of them like fragile insects that didn't matter. Yet here he is caring about a species that fit those descriptions perfectly
This episode was insane felt like the season finale
Well, good that it wasn't ... I want more! xD
But sadly, it's almost equivalent to a season finale, because we still have to wait a few months now >.>
Not years, that's another upside xD
@@BestAnimeFreak same but next episode drop January 4th not that bad of a wait
@@nolimitdaveejan 4th confirmed? Thats not bad
@@pirothix8371 i know this is usless but i just wanted to say, it sadly was not jan 4 looool and we had to wait like 4 months, it was torture.
After Nolan lost everything wandering in space no Viltrumite empire no life on earth.
The thing he chose to do was to save people
It was all he knew at that point. A lifetime of helping is hard to erase from the brain.
@@billbill6094 nolan was a hero for 20 years thats nothing to the 1000 years at least he spebt conquering planets for the empire. he was with the Viltrumite invasion of Unopa Allens people
@@jonreese7066 Yeah, but he completely lost the Viltrum empire by leaving Earth, and completely lost his family by killing millions. All that's left was the hero he became by choice.
@@jonreese7066 Mans was gonna kill himself over those 20 years. And was Indoctrinated since the beginning. Being a hero is the only way he knows that made people feel better
At that moment, all Omni Man cared about was...FAMILY.
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Yes, he actually didnt lure mark because of selfish reason or trying to recruit him.@@BaddMedicine. I don't want to give no spoiler from the comic, but from now on try to watch this show, with the perspective of the lesser evil
I know this is cliche.. but after reading all of invincible. This show /comic is so well written and this is only like 1/100th how fire it gets. Excited to watch it be animated
It ain't cliche in this case, especially since it's the truth!
For real. The story is so damn good.
I read the comics to and this isn't even close to how insane it's going to get
@@mbrooks1991 yeah conquest isn’t even until next season probably and that’s insane to say
@@jaealxndr I think he’ll easily be the finale of next season. Maybe that thing that happens before conquest is the final episode, then the last line is his intro line
Nolan's intentions are genuine, he's just struggling to overcome centuries of indoctrination and radicalisation. He wants to change and does genuinely regret his actions, but it's not easy.
@06:00 they really mirrored Omni man and Debbie perfectly, the way he flew and the way she was walking bare foot, the coffee shop mirrors the planet he flew past, the highway she almost jumped off of mirrored the black hole Omni man almost let himself fall into, not just “Fear the walking dead” but a lot of shows could learn from these writers.
Yup!
You guys need to realize how Nolan and other Viltrumites think. How they see humans, is how we see the thraxans. Short lived creatures. Yes Nolan did unspeakable and awful things, but i dont think he has ulteriror motives for Mark. We know he genuinely loves him, Viltrumites are just brought up in a universe of violence and indoctrination. Nolan knows he cant be forgiven for what he did on Earth, but that doesnt mean he cant develop good in him. You can see the struggle he has with himself, "I'm not supposed to feel this way", he says to Mark. Hes crying becuase all he's known is conquering and violence and he doesn't know how to react towards compassion for a race he'd nornally deem lesser then viltrumites
Omni-Man did unforgivable things, but I believe he wants to do good. Even at the end of last season I thought he really loved Debbie, but he was trying to convince himself that he hadn’t become ‘weak’ by developing human emotions.
So what happened in Chicago trumps his 20 years of good heroism? Random thought lol
@@DelRico2x The complexity is one of the things I love about the show. I can’t agree that saving Earth from meteors etc makes it ok to maliciously kill thousands. Just to make a point how fragile humans are. He spent 20 years doing good, but seems was he just taking a break from his duty to subjugate Earth.
I am open to a redemption arc because I do think there is good in him, but that doesn’t mean what he did should be forgiven or forgotten.
@@afrancis1582 thx lol
@@afrancis1582 it was a scorched earth attempt to force himself to do something he didn't believe in anymore. like quitting your job because you don't want to allow yourself to return to that even if in the end it was the better life and you've only hurt yourself by doing so.
Nolan tricking Mark into visiting him is the best case scenario really. The Viltrumites were going to earth either way. It's better that Mark be prepared now than blindsided later.
If Nolan left, the Viltrumites would have killed everybody on that planet just for harboring him. The only way to save them was to stay and fight.
"The books aren't going to be there"
Man, many reactors are wrong about how book publishing works for some reason.
4:50 no it hasn't even been close to 3 years. its been more like 6 months
It flies by our heads but Mark, in speed time, passed through what Nolan did back on earth. From non chalant indiference, to rage and denial to giving in and helping.
also now we see that Nolan was TOTALLY HOLDING BACK. Not only against Mark but against the Guardians too.
i don’t know about the guardians. why would he hold back against them? he didn’t even really like them.
@@quanicle101 Maybe in the comics it's clarified but when you compare the two fights there are glaring differences that make me think he at least was letting them do some hits as part of the deception or maybe it was part of his strategy to deal with the ones with more annoying powers. Despite bleeding through and losing, When Nolan faces the viltrumites all his hits are basically MK X-RAYS and fatalities, he RIPPED and CRUSHED 3 viltrumites with visibly way less trouble. When he faced the guardians, despite having all the advantages of an ambush it took way longer to finish them, despite being capable of ripping the guts of a viltrumite with his bare hands, through the whole fights he was relying on weapons or using their powers agaisnt each other. I can understand being cautious with Green Ghost and Red Rush but the others shouldn't even be a fight and despite seemly holding off for a while they barely ripped Nolan's suit and gave him a swollen face. I guess it also could be power creep at it's finnest but it does look weird still
@@ricardomiles2957 in the comics he kills them all VERY quickly. with no struggle at all. Nobody even knew he was there. So my assumption is that in the show, he held back to pretend he got attacked too
@@lewis0705and when there was Mark they defeated Nolan pretty easy.
@quanicle101 he had to make himself look hurt to convince Cecil it wasn't him... which worked until ep 6 or 7. Why is that so hard for people to understand? He could have one shotted them all.
I dont think Nolan "planned" anything or "work" Mark lol. The episode literally portrays that. And about the "no sympathies" comment, I get it. But remember, anyone is capable of great love and great evil. Nolan was indocrinated into a sick society. We all know unlearnig behaviour is hard and mentally taxing, so I don't think he planned anything that doesn't make sense. I think it was just good writing. Lets move on from the Omni-Man hate cause there's a new, bigger threat upon us now.
What I agree with is yes, he could have left so that they don't track him there. But as he said, he felt like he needed to protect them, and having a kid doesn't make it better cause he got attached😂. Very stupid move yes.
AND Omni-Man does indeed love his children guys lol. This episode confirmed that. Are we watching the same episode Dave?😭 He didn't literally didn't "plan" anything what do you mean? They are even going to execute him.
I agree lmao
Completely with you on that. What Nolan did on Earth was monstrous, but I don’t think he is a monster. He’s from a society where caring is weakness, and the weak are ‘purged’. But he does love both his families, and he wants to do good.
@@afrancis1582 Especially because in retrospect it wouldn't make sense to then annihilate the three Viltrumites if he was intending to join them anyway
That's a pretty wild vibe out of nowhere. Omniman was never a natural manipulator or a guy behind the scenes who had his hands on everything. He for the most part goes down the straight and narrow.
This episode is soo much better than the comic panel. So glad that mark actually go toe to toe with viltrumites! And not just got beaten like every single time 😂😂😂
He gets stronger every beating and he took a lot of beatings.
Don’t worry, our boy has many more beatings coming his way😂
Also they improved the writing and made omni man more sympathetic
Omniman needs to do more to convince you, huh?
Just wait 😊
I just want to say that when omni man referred to his wife as a pet I don't think he meant it in a disrespectful fucked up way. The majority of pet owners love and care very much for their pets and they are a part of our family. We take care of them treat them respectfully and would hurt someone over them. Lol. Our pets, unless you got a turtle who can outlive you, are only in our lives for a limited amount of time. Sometimes we get another one sometimes we don't. I don't think Omni man was faking his love for Debbie. I mean what would be the point. He was even saying in season 1 that it wouldn't be so bad if Mark didn't get powers. He knew once that happened his "takeover " would basically have to begin.
Also, I disagree that omni man was being manipulative in bringing Mark to the thraxn planet . I may be wrong but that's just my opinion. Great reaction guts. I was looking forward to this episode
@@DOWNTOWNMAKur taking it a bit too hyper literally, its just a life span difference thing. If u grew up the way nolan had & could live thousands of years you’d probably have a similar mindset about human life spans
It doesn't matter what he meant. It was disrespectful, and she is still suffering. Why are you guys being so apologetic about Nolan?
@@kassiogomes8498 it’s called understanding both perspectives, shocker right? That’s something u clearly don’t do
@@sirmenace8161 yeah. Let's understand the perspective of a sociopath.
@@kassiogomes8498 it’s not really entirely his fault that’s he’s that if he along with his entire race were indoctrinated to be the way they are
I never said what he did was ok, what im saying is i get why he did it & why it’s hard for him to change
U obviously don’t like nuance or the idea of understanding other ppls perspective but i do
Viltrumites always been violent there's no room for weakness because all the other that are against this way off life has died so Nolan may look 40 and 50 but remember he is over 2000 years old been indoctrinated but his 20 years on earth has changed him a bit what he did might have been awful but really if he didn't care he wouldn't have left and him bringing Mark out there isn't about him saving himself he does care about these people and he can't keep running it's better that Mark knows what coming thrn him being surprised
21:09 Like Thor, he should’ve gone for the head.
18:20 I mean he really just wanted a new group of people to protect and a new place to call home. I wouldn't say it's his fault when Viltrumites are infiltrating his new home killing his own people for no reason except cruelty.
Man that "pet" line from last season finale has gotten more reaction then some of the violence this show has.
They are moving fast with this show. People who read the comics thought the Allen stuff and Nolan reveal would come as the finale or at the start of Season 3. Also it wasn't planned and he didn't know.
Which is a surprise with how they handled the story in season 1. Hopefully they don’t go too fast after this. They say they want to go for 7-8 seasons including the special episodes adapting the side stories that tie in.
They want to get to the REAL GOOD stuff ASAP and, IMO that's acceptable
Soon enough they're going to slow things down for sure
No we didn’t, Angstrom as the season finale was always the prediction for S2 lol
@@PIayer_01 guess you didn’t read the comics. And you didn’t have that prediction before season 2 started or when the trailer released.
best episode of the season so far
@BaddMedicine I haven't seen others mention this so here are my thoughts about Nolan. I think calling Debbie a 'pet' is a lie he told himself. It's how he would've thought of her in the old days, but being on Earth, the people (especially Debbie and Mark) changed him. While it was believed Mark was 'only human' there was still time for Nolan to work out his past and present. I could see Viltrum waiting about 100 years before wondering what happened to Nolan and getting around to finding out. But then Mark's powers came in and Nolan knew that he'd have to make a choice. When Viltrum checks in and if they find that not only did Nolan had a son with an Earthling but he didn't complete his mission then Viltrum's response wouldn't be to conquer Earth but to annihilate it.
Imagine after thousands of years one of your warriors is 'brainwashed' into not only betraying Viltrum but now protecting the world that Viltrumite was sent to conquer. Would you allow that planet to survive? Nolan knew this and that's where the choice comes in.
Do you go with how you've lived for thousands of years, after conquering hundreds of planets? Or, do you against that and throw it away for a life you've only had for 20 years? Fast forwarding past his choice to the conclusion where he is standing over his son's broken body,
I feel that Nolan confirmed his fear, he has changed, and that now he can't go back to how things were with Mark and Debbie, so he leaves. What he experiences with the Thraxans just proves to him that he has changed but hasn't reconciled with it. In 2x4, we confirm this when he grabs Mark by the neck and vents his frustration. For us, it's a no-brainer, but for someone who has been without them for thousands of years I'm sure it had a great impact on him. As for needing Mark to fight on Thraxa I think Nolan's need for Mark's help is solely for protecting Nolan's Thraxan family. If he hadn't recruited Mark would Nolan's Thraxan family have survived?
That brings me to, "what would happen if Nolan just left Thraxa"? The Viltrumites would've killed even more Thraxans, especially Nolan's Thraxan wife and son. I also think that if they didn't find Nolan on Thraxa that they'd just go to Earth. Earlier I said that the Viltrumites might've given Nolan 100 years before they checked in. I don't think that'll be the case with Mark. I think they'll give him however long it would take a Viltrumite to heal, get to Earth, and conquer it.
This isn't aimed at Badd Medicine, but I've lost count of how many people think or blame the strikes or say the production crew is lazy for the show going on break during the holidays. It's driving me nuts. Shows go on planned hiatuses during the holidays ALL the time. This isn't some new thing that happened because the planets misaligned. The writing and voice line recording were probably done a year ago, way before the strikes. Animation production itself was not affected by the strikes. Only more recent things like Beyond The Spider-Verse are affected because they're still in pre-production.
Without spoilers, can confirm that Nolan didn’t plan what happened with the Thraxan’s or Mark. He genuinely wanted/needed Mark’s help and thought they had more time.
Above all, Omni-man genuinely wanted to protect his family. What he said was correct, if they’d gotten a hold of Mark’s brother, they would have killed him on -sight since Viltrumites are only allowed to mate with genetically similar species to keep the bloodline as “pure” as possible.
I think Nolan just didnt want to leave his life behind. Honestly if Mark didn’t get his powers I don’t think Nolan would have betrayed the Guardians
No, Nolan didn't want Mark to get his powers, so he'd wait for him and Debbie to die before he'd kick of the invasion
@@charlesbecker934 thats what I said if Mark didn’t get jis powers Nolan wouldnt have acted
@@jonreese7066 ok, I misinterpreted what you said. The way you worded it makes it seem like he'd never betray them
Did y’all notice what Lucan said?
“You knew the consequences when you had them.”
Keep that in mind when you see scenes with Nolan like at the end of the ‘Atom Eve’ special and others from season one when Nolan’s feelings are communicated by only his facial tics.
Despite being waay older Viltrumites dont seem to be hand to hand combat experts because they one shot all their opponents. Nolan and Mark are different. It gave them an advantage in this fight.
No, they are experts
@@austinstino7571 so despite being thousands of years older and experts in hand to hand combat Thula was defeated by Mark an 18 year old with maybe a year of experience
What are you talking about? Viltrumites literally had a species-wide battle royal with sole goal of culling the weak from their society. Every living Viltrumite should have tons of experience in fighting against their own species
@@jonreese7066if you watch closely in the fight montage Nolan and Mark swap opponents so Mark didn’t defeat Thula, Nolan did.
@@jonreese7066Mark didnt actually beat her tho. He got a few lucky hits in after she saw how he fought and wasnt expecting him to come back like that. But the fact she was able to stab him means he didn't actually beat her and if it wasn't for Nolan, Mark woulf he dead.
I think if Nolan left with Andressa and the kid Viltrumites would come torture everyone and probably destroy the planet. Part of this is Nolan realizing he does care about others even if they aren’t as strong as his people
Checking in soon means Conquest is coming. Get ready for even more vicious battles
Mark needs to reach home (earth) now without any navigation and travel 6 days worth of journey alone.
Naw Nolan didnt know they would be there that soon. He isn’t playing any game on Mark. As strong as Nolan is he could probably take out only 2 or 3 by himself before he would get taken out. He was distracted this episode because he kept having to save Mark. He did intentionally get mark because he did need help. And with the proper training Mark would be a force to reckon with. And Nolan still cares about his son and Debbie. Debbie would be dead if he didn’t care. And Nolan still called mark son and his child. It’s like when mark says Omni ain’t his father but yet still calls out for his dad all throughout this episode
What an amazing episode a 10/10 for sure.
the thing with Nolan not leaving the planet was cause he didnt know what they knew, maybe they knew about his kid, maybe they knew which planet he was on and if he had left that wouldve left the planet defenseless so he needed Mark to help him defend the planet but before they could even prepare and come up with a plan the Viltrumites were already there.
It’s coming back in the 1st week of January
🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘
Invincible is absolutely not invincible when he gets angry. Remember Battle Beast? His anger did nothing against him
Maybe a bit of a spoiler, but Nolan really didn't have a plan, he genuinely wanted to take his own life earlier.
Not a spoiler as we literally watched him contemplating ending himself in a black hole before the spacecraft in distress being dragged into that same black hole happened by
4:42 RIGHT!? The intolerance! 🤣
This episode was insane. They definitely kept close to the comics. It's upsetting that we have to wait until early January for part 2 of season 2, and it just starting to get good so far this season. Messed up thwy gonna leave us hanging like this
What if this “new’ Donald is a clone mixed with Viltrum DNA? A pretty good weapon to have in your arsenal.
I don't know why people have forgotten this, but Viltrumites WANT TO CONQUER THE UNIVERSE. They were going to destroy Thraxas regardless. They were headed to Earth REGARDLESS. Especially when they found out Nolan left his post, which they didn't know until Allen said it. That moved Earth and any planet close up on the list. Plus NO, Nolan would not have brought Mark if he knew he would be distracted by saving him, why bring your weakness if you knew they were coming early. Again him calling Debbie a pet is reference to the fact, her lifespan is way, way shorter than his. Look at how ya'll looked at the Thraxans.
Maybe my favorite thing about this episode is how perfectly the Nolen and Debbie scenes mirror each other...except when Debbie gets to the point where she thinks about ending things she just decides not to do it, where Nolen needed something else to stop him. Because, as Art said, she's stronger than he is.
Theres like a solid three and a half hours of invincible content not counting the atom eve special , and some people(not anyone here) are actually complaining they arent rushing the animation and overworking the team for no money lol. We are getting it back early next year , and its december , if fans are so impatient , go read the comics . I sound negative but im just really excited but i know to be patient , like u guys , have. Agreat day
It's better than getting some rush job that looks like shit. I'm with you! I'm sure our patience will be worth it
The Homelander can beat Omni man crowd looking dumb after dude just casually resisting gravity of a black hole.
After the way it ended I refuse to allow Dave to keep trashing Fear! xD no matter what we made it through! Loved the react boys!
He brings bugs with ship to that planet, so viltrumite would check there anyway
i really hope going forward mark taps into his viltramite strength or powers because im tired of seeing him not fight hard or almost dying every fight
Crazy episode,that fight was intense but my favourite scene was between Art and Debbie :)
Been waiting for this!
Dave cooking Fear The Walking Dead writers whenever he gets the chance
😂
I know with most super heros their Mom especially doesn't survive and there trying to make us like Debbie. I also notice Debbie doesn't lock her door and this is the second time someone has been or walked in her house 💡
The interesting part in the episode is when Omni-Man stops himself from ending his own life because of a distraction. And then there's Debbie, just stopping herself, as mentioned by Art (New Rockstar).
Just found out that the guy behind the show Invincible wrote the comics for it in 2001. He also wrote the comics for the *Walking Dead*
No matter what. Earth was in trouble as soon as the Viltrumites sent Nolan there as his post. Him leaving doesn't save Earth nor does it save Mark. It is actually good Mark fought a Viltrumite there alongside his dad coaching him despite what Nolan has done in the past. If Mark didn't get this chance and the Viltrumites came to Earth, there is no doubt he would be killed, and Earth would be enslaved. Having said that, Nolan having a kid on the bug planet caused issues for the Bug people but if Nolan committed suicide instead then Mark would not have this much needed moment.
I need more William scenes. I love him xD
Nolan must really be stronger or these guys are weak because it seems like he could have handled any 2 of them
I believe in the comics Nolan is one of the most elite Viltrumite soldiers of the whole empire, he's not there strongest however, that title goes to either Conquest or Grand Regional Thragg, but Nolan is significantly stronger than most Viltrumites
Right now, Nolan is one of the 5 strongest characters in the universe.
how legend of korra is coming soon, can’t wait to see the next season
When Nolan grabbed Mark by the throat he was in his own way reaching out to his son who made him leave earth for the guilt he had. He doesn't understand the feelings he's dealing with and as he said a Viltrumite is not supposed to have these types of feelings for people considered beneath him. That's part of the reason he summoned Mark there.
I can confirm Garrets popcorn from the city is S Tier popcorn
Nolan dont force the Traxians to make him emperor, they basically force the title on him, you see Traxians have a very short life, so wisdom and old age is very important for Thraxians, normally the rule of th eplanet is someone very old, after they find Omniman is thousands of years old, they, they basically beg him to become emperor
Nolan also dont planed the situation to force Mark's hand, the Viltrumites find out about him way faster than they are supose to, because of the mole on the Coalision of Planets, in short the Viltrumites arrive way soon because Mark leak the information to Allen that leak the information to the Coalision of Planets that leak to the Mole that leak to the Viltrumites, so is more Mark fault than Omniman
After the episode & Alan's backstory in the last episode, I was thinking maybe Donald was the human version of remade DNA optimized to fight Omniman. I haven't read the comics so maybe he's a robot, but I'm hoping they took some old Donald DNA and some Mark DNA and spliced together a human Alan. I hope Cecil was thinking that Donald had already sacrificed himself to buy the planet time, so he'd already have the perfect sacrificial soldier mentality.
Most probably angstrom (the brain guy) will be the final villain for this season.
I think he became humanized by his time on Earth as a father. This changed his moral compass. I have hope for the father. Can't wait for the next half of the season. Ahhhh, great writing! 👍
Notice how Nolan does not apologise for what happened on Earth. He really only care about keeping Mark alive. Because no matter what, he's a Viltrumite through and through. He just wants Mark to understand that. And that linevabout reading his books is key. I hope Mark gets it and reads those books. It's super important since Nolan has never mentioned his books befote he knew he was going to die
For real, at least Goku has the audacity to take the fight else where. These supes would throw hands in a daycare
Thinking about if Donald is a clone or not got me thinking about the Venture Brothers (Spoilers, but if you haven't watched Venture bros by now, it's your own fault). When Dean found out he was a clone and the real Dean Venture was dead, it devastated him, threw him into a serious identity crisis, but when Hank found out, it didn't bother him at all, in fact he even points out that if the previous "real" Hank hadn't died, then the current clone Hank wouldn't be alive, and he likes being alive.
Fun fact the lady who voices the female viltrumite voiced azula from last airbender
In the comics thay gave him a 100 year to make earth ready then thay will come
Awesome video.
24:28. in the comics its a 100 years
Solid episode
its clear these people didn't understand Nolan at all, he does care, but he believes he shouldn't, which was why he spent the entire fight with Invincible trying to convince HIMSELF of his actions. he lost that argument. Nolan fails to reject his humanity while Mark refuses to give it up.
If Nolan had left, the viltrumites would have still arrived at the planet and most likely killed all of them because as he said they're barely a species, and too weak too even be considered part of the empire.
Love these reactions. Now that we’re in December… Day 1 of asking for a Klaus reaction!
Yeah the break isn't because of the strike, Kirkman just decided to take a short break around the holidays so that the show didn't get lost among all the christmas festivities, and also to give people time to really let these last episodes sink in and marinate. I believe they said show is actually coming back very quickly sometime in January.
6:00 we got a Garrett's here in georgia and i love the cheddar flavor 😪
Invincible has continued
i think episode 5 is coming jan 4th. according to imdb
guy in the white shirt kinda looks like nolan
Will you guys be doing “Fall” it was released in 2022 very suspenseful and I know oak and quin will have a blast 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
Finally someone sees Atom Eves dad is right. Just gotta see the Nolan pov. You guys are hard on him.
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"Trying to turn Mark into his successor as a Viltrumite"?
He's literally fighting against his Viltrumite ideals and protecting a planet full of lifeforms, he would've deemed worthless last season.
Nolan even begins crying from seeing his newfound community slaughtered because him, being a Viltrumite, isn't supposed to feel empathy for creatures weaker than themselves.
Just kinda an illogical statement there. I know it's hard to understand where Nolan is coming from, but you gotta realize that were putting a loot of human morals and ethics and forcing them onto Nolan, whose philosophy used to purely exist for duty, battle and conquest. He's conquered planets for thousands of years with no remorse, so him even feeling ANY kind of empathy is INSANE considering he is a Viltrumite.
"Just kinda an illogical statement" Yes, this episode reaction was very frustrating to watch lol.
@@Tattletale-Delta I wouldn't say they were frustrating to watch, it's just more that they completely villainize Nolan even though he's not showing any malicious intent. I don't blame them for it though, they don't know the comics and what Nolan did is WAAY horrible
@@Yoinkyy "they completely villainize Nolan even though he's not showing any malicious intent." That's what made it frustrating.
The original mauler probably died ages ago I bet
Chicago Style FTW!! 🍿🍿🍿
We missing the PREACH from Mr. Dave about those damn writers
Are we just gonna get a massive Omni-Man Redemption arc?..... lmfao
16:46 As much as people want to hate Nolan for what he did, that's okay to a point, but it's not okay to focus on just one bad day when everything fell apart.
Debbie is not alone responsible for the person Mark has become, Nolan may not have always been home but he was a hero and he didn't hide that from his son, and Mark grew up wanting to be like his father, that he would get his powers and be a hero, his mother was a part of his development but Nolan had a big role in his life as well, but now it's easy to ignore all that, and that only Debbie is important (this is probably his way in this scene saying things to comfort Debbie while she's in this state).
Who would have thought that 20 years of living on earth has such an effect on a conqueror of worlds, who has already lived and conquered for thousands of years without mercy, and people still think that Nolan was faking his feelings the whole time.
Nolan did love his wife and son on earth, which is the reason why he didn't kill them, people forget that Nolan is thousands of years old, and that 20 years is not a big deal for him, but after he got married and had a son, he came to love the world because of them, and probably hoped Mark wouldn't take on his genes and powers, so he would probably wait until their lives were up before returning to his mission.
I think the car couple are meant to look like her parents to make it more impactful for her that people got hurt on her account. Great reaction as usual guys
Nolan's books are the key,check the titles
Jet fuel can’t melt Donald’s glasses
I wonder how people would react when Mark tells them what happened
Will Cecil and the New GG believe Mark would they trust him?
I know Andressa would likely die of old age before Mark gets back but I wish Andressa could meet Deb. I feel like Andressa is a good person