Inside the Chieftain's Hatch: Strv 104, Pt 2
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- Опубликовано: 10 окт 2024
- The Swedes kept the Centurion in service for quite a few years, and just before the end of the Cold War they decided to do a significant upgrade to the hull and turret, making Strv 104, one of the most capable Centurions to see service. It was withdrawn in 2000.
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20:24 "You think the tank's on fire?"
21:17 RIP Chieftain
20:34 "Oh for fook's sake..."
He wasn't trained properly for the tank is on fire scenario in this tank.
And then his mic came unplugged
I would love it if Battlefield V had his famous lines as an Easter egg. It would be pretty hilarious seeing a tank you took out on fire and a faint sound in a very casual voice ''oh bugger, the tank's on fire.''
Wot with Chieftain voice over! For for*k sake! Engine fire hit!
Chieftain, in the Dutch cavalerie museum they got a leo 2a4. If you just ask they will let you get in it.( it happened to me) the tank is in pretty good condition. Hope you see this
Comparing it with abrams would be nice.
Arsenalen has a strv 122 so im sure he would be allowed into it
@@sjoormen1 Wouldn´t be such a big suprise that the Leo. 2A4 will be better then the M1 Abrams XD
@@einar8019 yes and no. Arsenalen doesent own that one. Its just "in storage" there. Still belongs to the Army. So no, Arsenalen doesn't have anything to say about that one.
HOWEVER. they do have one of the Leopard 2 prototypes standing outside. But that one has been submerged on the bottom of the Rivere Elbe for a while so it is not very nice inside.
The turret looks a bit like a scaled up Leo 1 turret and the chassis is a bit different from the production vehicles.
@@Tankliker The Leo 2 is generally considered to be more cramped (though still fairly comfortable), and having a worse vision cupola (made up by for the stabilized panoramic sight).
The Leo is a pretty good tank in terms of ergonomics, but it's *really hard* to bet an M1 in this regard, though I haven't heard either of them compared to more niche western designs (Leclerc, Ariete, Chally 2), wonder how those would measure up.
With a good well trained crew I reckon the upgraded centurion would still give the crew of a t72 a bad day, or in the words of cheiftan "a significant emotional event" 😊
oh, they thaught the Strv 121 (Leo 2A4) crews a few things the last few years ;) the old guys in the Centurions where though bastards that knew their tanks inside and out. and the Leo 2 was new in sweden so they couldnt use it to its full potential, but thats another story.. a good well trained crew that knows their tank will beat anyone even if they have a newer and "better" tank.
It would be one of those situations where the guy who gets the hit first usually wins, which is usually the guy who shoots first. Neither tank's armor is really proofed against the other's gun, especially if using the latest generation ammunition available, so it would be who has the crew better able to land the shots.
@@genericpersonx333 and comms
Yeah. Especially at night. t-72 has night-vision devices.
@@CatEatsDogs Night vision is only useful if the crews are good at using it. In 1973, the Syrians sent T55s with night vision to attack Israeli Centurions without night vision. The Israelis came off the better for it because the Syrian crews were mostly new conscripts with little time in their new tanks whereas the Israeli tankers had many veterans who knew how to use their tanks well despite having to rely on flares, burning enemy vehicles, and their own eyes to find targets in the dark night. Good crews in a less-advanced tank tend to win historically.
However, that is the thing about these Swede tanks: they didn't have a clear training advantage over their main enemy: the Soviet Union. Swedish conscripts didn't train more than their Soviet counterparts, both having 1-3 year service requirements. If anything, the Soviets had more time in their vehicles because the Soviets didn't have the same budgetary problems the Swedes did. Sweden never had a cadre of combat veterans likes the Israelis did in 1973, so pitting average Soviet T72 crews (with night vision) against average Swede crews in their Centurions (without night vision) was asking the Swedish soldiers to fight at a potentially serious disadvantage that the Soviets didn't have to worry about themselves.
Re being withdrawn from service in 2000. This as far as I know is true. The last 104s were deployed with Lärbro Kompani MekB18, Gotland. I did my conspriction service with another company, but was present at the ceremony at Oskarsstenen when they were retired.
I did my conscription in the MEKB18 regiment the year before, 1998/99, in an APC company. In one of our last major exercises the STRV 104 from MEKB18 fought the Leopard 122 from other regiments in Sweden, and the STRV 104 performed remarkable well. A lot of times it came down to the skill of the crew who shot out who. A major difference between the tanks watching from outside was the speed. The Leo is much faster both going forward and backward.
@@KruzzeKing Was that the legendary "Rolling Armor Museum" incident? I keep hearing things about it, but i never been able to confirm if it was just pure myth, tall tale or an actual true event.
Roma?
@@KruzzeKing We wen't over to skåne also and had joint exercises with/against other units, including 121s and 122s. Me serving in a PvRb platoon we saw quite a bit of the tanks :)
I did one of my PRAO weeks at the vehicle repair centre at P18 in -99, spent most of it sitting in the drivers station of one of the Strv 104s reading the manual while the AFV techs worked on installing a rolling sled housing for dual commercial 24v truck batteries to replace the dozen or so old square top battery cells.
The turret was lifted off completely for the modification.
Some years later, 03/04 I did my conscript training in Havdhem company, mortar platoon.
My dad used to work up at the officers "retirement home" across the road from the main base at the time (I MKG-staben, Övlt. fd. KA3)
Alternative desciption: Heartbroken after not being able to "check the oil", the Irishman enjoys hands-on experience and finds it quite pleasing,
That would be ironic, poking your eye out on a sight!
It's amazing how long the Centurions in one form or another have continued to be used. I've just been reading about the IDF Nagmachon (Doghouse II) APC which is based on the Centurion hull and is still in service. For an armoured vehicle to still be in used (although not as a tank) over 70 years after introduction is just amazing, especially when you think that tanks have really only existed for about 104 years, which means the Centurion (or it's hull at least) has been in use for two thirds of the entire history of the modern armoured vehicle.
i wonder if the south african Olifant is still active?
@@SDE1994 As far as I can tell they are. The Olifants were apparently upgraded in 2005/6 by BAE Systems and entered service in 2007.
www.army-technology.com/projects/olifant/
So that means there are MBTs out there, in service, that are (at least in part) 70 years old, which is astounding.
OMG, These are the B-52's of tanks. Just keep going, and going.
Hooray! My sunday is complete ❤️
Congratulations... By the way it's Saturday
@@samholdsworth3957 Not everywhere in the world
Its Saturday...
I'll take "How to recognize a Mom's Basement Dwelling Man Child" for 150,000, Alex.
He could be in Australia or New Zealand, would be a Sunday.
Very cool! I love Centurions. Great to finally see one of the modified models with a diesel, automatic transmission, Laser Range Finder and digital computer. Awesome!
Not a bad tank at all. And TC has a fire controls, which is nice.
I agree, Its a pretty neat feature
So does the T54
Hunter Killer Systems are useful, helps the gunner out too, since the commander can see more of the surroundings than the gunner can.
8:30 - I understand that this is a result of the Swedish government having outlawed weather only the year before taking delivery of these vehicles.
This is correct, wind was banned from being present on our battlefields. Being polite, Swedish wind, it obliged us.
@Steve Arthur I for one love rain and snow!
On the subject of snow, my father has an amusing anecdote from his time in the military.
So, a bunch of guys training on the Carl Gustaf recoilless rifle in the middle of the Wermlandian winter. However, one of the gunners completely forgets to wait for the loader's "Klart bakåt!" (Meaning that nobody's in the backblast zone), and then also completely forgets to call "Skott kommer!" (Close to "On the way!" in English parlance).
Naturally, the officer in charge isn't entirely pleased about this. But instead of yelling, he merely moves them a little, below a grand old spruce tree burgeoning with snow.
Then, he has them repeat the drill.
Moments later, two Swedish soldiers learn their lesson to be aware of their surroundings when they pull the trigger on these things, as they end up with snow up to their ears.
@Steve Arthur Are you implying that giving one's position in such a manner could possibly be harmful? I don't see how that could be!
Jesting aside, I imagine the other folks got s good chuckle out of your involuntary dust storm creation.
As mech inf 81/82 MekB10 at Strängnäs we sometimes did ride back armor when they still had the Merlin engines that was awsome, much more fun than riding in the PBV302.
I always look forward to the, _"Oh Bugger, the Tank's on Fire!"_ drill. Chieftain, did you happen to spot any Swedish Gnomes, _"Tomtegubbe",_ running about with oil cans and grease guns?
Someone had drawn Beetle Bailey on one of the walls in the drivers compartment! His name is Knasen (from knasig; silly) in Swedish and a loved comic book character here 🙂
Seems like a pretty decent tank with a decent new lease on life. The centurion is one of my favorite armoed vehicles. Truly a wonderful design that was the start of a very successful line of MBTs from the british.
I love the ending, really relatable moment
Does anyone else get that faint whiff of singed Chieftain.
What?
@@shmeckle666 probably an "oh god the tank's on fire" ref
Just your feet.
It drives just like an M48/M60 since it is using the same transmission. I started as an M60A1 driver.
Oh wow , I'd love to see Nick do an interview with you . That needs to be done on site with one of those beauties.
I started out as a driver on M60A1's too. Finished up as a TC on a M1IP. Lot of changes happened between 1972 and 1989.
@Ralph's Place
Crats were alot better than the early mre's. Used to heat the cans up with the heater.
@@raybrindos4514 I was on M113s/M901s (Cav Scout), on a march the driver would put the cans on the engine block. Turned out that worked with later MREs too.
@Ralph's Place I stayed in 27 years RA and NG. Started on M551s and finished on M1s with M60A1, A3 and 48A5s inbetween. Started with C-rats went through 20 years of MRE evolution.
You mean this South African Centurion behind me? Olifant Mk.2? :-D
Sir. I hope that You stayed and got a nice swedish midsummer. G.M.Y 2Lt Jansson
The shot from inside the tank getting into the TC position is something I didn't realise I wanted
Gives a really good perspective on what sort of nonsense is involved
Now you'll have to visit the South African Armoured Museum in Bloemfontein.
You swearing reminded me so much of being in Ireland. Dam it now I'm home sick.
We really swear too much.
Sweden actually used Mk 3, Mk 5 and Mk 10 Centurions. The 1st batch of 81's were Mk 3's and the second batch were Mk 5's. All 20-pounder armed centurions were interchangeably referred to as Strv 81, irregardless of whether they were actually Mk 3's or 5's. The third batch of Centurions they got were of course the Mk 10's. This particular vehicle was likely originally a Mk 3 since it was the oldest and most worn of the 102's that were rebuilt into 104's. As such it never really had a full turret basket to begin with, I believe.
I've always been a fan of Centurion but the more I see of your various videos. The more I really would like to see an episode entirely about the different users and the modifications thereof. I wonder if the Israelis would let you crawl around one of theirs. Perhaps a trip to South Africa would be arranged.
There is a huge amount of data available, so much that it becomes overwhelming quite quickly.
When I was at arsenal for the 2nd time, I had my sister with me(first time I was there I was with my dad and saw the mighty jingles and the s tank driving around). And I was having fun and joking around to my sister because she isn't interested in military stuff. But I did some info dumping and huged my favourite vehicles there. Then we came to the cold war area in the museum, and I told her that the Berlin wall (background of 0:15) was an actual part of the berlin wall. (I knocked on the wall the first time I was there to check if it was actual cement) she believed me, until I told her that it's just a wooden mockup. And we had a laugh about how weird it must've been to transport that huge wall.
The best part was the "FFS".
Well that failed the "oh shit the tank's on fire" test pretty badly.
Only due to it's age and limited maintenance on such non-essentials.
Unfamiliarity with how it's supposed to work probably played a big part too.
A really fine review Nick! Please do one for the Centurion 13 so we can see the ultimate NATO MBT upgrade as well😊😊Thank you!
A lot of memory fore me as a driver on 104, then i did my duty 1983 in skövde p4 (schoolcompany) garnison Sweden. 103 was fun to drive too! 102 was more little harder as a driver.
G'day Nick, Yes, I liked your Swedish expedition and most impressed by the 'modern' Centurion. I would have thought your average Swedish tanker to be big blokes, almost your size, so it was sad to see you do the 'OMG the tank's on...' too late, you're Swedish toast. What a silly driver's door system. Let's hope that it worked much better when it was new.
Probably a good thing that I don't know anything about 'famous Swedish tank battles'. If the Swedes get into a shooting war then you know the rest of Europe is having a really bad day. Still, it's good to know they had perfectly useful tanks, just in case. I'm glad that me and my fellow patrons allowed you to go to a country most of us will never have a chance to see. Thanks, mate. Cheers, BH
It clearly did. He even mentions on how much easier the other hatch was to open that was less worn. These are simply old vehicles he's unfamiliar with.
Chieftain, please do in side the hatch on KV1, im really interested how crew friendly it is or isnt (prob the not really). And KV1 is a well known tank and im gona guess im not the only one who wants to see it.
"OMG the tank is glowing!"
IIRC, it's the same problem as lots of WW2 plane cockpits. They used radium paint on instrumentation and some labelling, over time, it's flaked off and now you got Radium dust giving off Radon-222 as it decays. A real bitch to decon.
@@lucidnonsense942 Radon is what makes cigarettes carcinogenic
@@melvillesperryn9268 That's actually polonium-210 that's responsible for that, not radon. Radon is a gas.
"use the manual controls to do the final lay" - The Chieftain 2020.
Is it possible for you to talk about the rational behind location to mount various sighting system?
Like for example,
Challenger 2 has a separate housing of gunner thermal sight on top of the gun, why?
Or everyone seems to have a different idea on where to place the CITV.
Oh, the cutting a hole in armor to fit the gunner sight???
Maybe just talk about some interesting observation you have.
Thank you for the effort you put into these videos.
Thanks Chief!
The out takes are just soo funny! Adding them at the end so we keep watching? Subtle, but effective for those too lazy to FF.
i like this version of the Inside the Chieftain's Hatch, it finally includes a swear word. :D
What are you talking about? In this season he keeps mentioning arse nailing every episode!
And no annoyingly loud and poorly edited music
Disagree. The lack of swearing makes his stuff that much better. Easy thing to swear. Not to easy to axe it.
Pure terror and adrenalin have a unique springiness all their own...Early on, I was getting worried for Nick's head when he was ducked down looking for the TC's seat elevation lever. Looked like the turret monster gave him a tap anyway.
20:35 I dont think I've ever heard the chieftain swear
Ryan Wilson 20:32
The day that the Chieftain called the cupola rotation a turret rotation.. (Twice!!!) my world is shattered... :D
Also, i think that the reason that the waterheater was loose was because Stefan used in in one of Arsenalens own videos. (Or if it was the one with Sofilein, i am unsure which) where he demoed it
Would be nice if the museum could afford to do the maintenance on the fiddly bits, like periscope lubrication.
Bloopers at the end are hilarious)
Thank you for the awesome and informative content chieftain, also thanks to the supporters of these series
The beep beep at the end made my day :)
22:50 I want a Olifanten video very badly.
Trying to imagine 4 Swedes as big as Chieftain fitting in there, Cosier than a Sauna, Especially with the BV on the go lol
Tank crew until very recently had a height limit of no more than 170cm. The crew that would have been allowed in these vehicles would have been a good head shorter than the Chieftain at the least.
Finally, that damn shrieking baby went away.
Words cannot express how much I don't miss the music.
Yea, they should have closed the museum for Chieftain
Or better yet, deliver the tank to his doorstep
I’d really like an inside the hatch on the IKV 103, absolutely no footage of the interior. IIRC you might have lifted the camera above the roof at the tour of Arsenalen and that shot of the left side(i think) was pretty lackluster to be honest
Chieftain! In the Out takes you said you know about South Africa. Would you try to visit SA for a look at the Olitfant 1A/B? I'd be very interested to see that.
I am guessing there was hot air heating when the tank is running.? Was there another form of heating for when the engine was off?
Very good as usuall, thanks!
Thanks for another quality video @The Cheiftain. Alamo city ftw. Have a good day sir. Stay away from them crazies.
The Olifant (elephant) is the ultimate nCenturion: torsion bar suspension, 36mph, 360 km range, designed to take on the T-72. Just the gun is a bit light, but fire control and command systems are top notch. Still basically the same hull and turret, now a bit long in the tooth
What i learnt from this video. So there you go~
Would be really interesting if you could do video of Finnish modified T-55... i think it has similar firecontrol system. :D
I am not sure the driver managed to bail out...
These oldish tanks look full of hazards. And yet the Centurion was well liked by its crews.
Thanks for the tour!
Perhaps the ones who didn't like it didn't make it
It’s better than an old ww2 tank.
How do you get access to all these vehicles? Do the museum staff just really like you or are there paperwork involved?
In this case, the museum staff really likes either me, or what my product can do to advance the museum.
@@TheChieftainsHatch Probably both, I reckon!
@@TheChieftainsHatch you and Stefan seem to have a similiar sense of humour :)
@@TheChieftainsHatch I'm pretty sure they're just happy about the free attention they're getting. It doesn't happen very often in a country like Sweden and it's nice that people become aware of these vehicles existence in a world where not many people know about them.
3:34 I'm literally shaking and crying how can the chieftain swear
illumination flare launchers?
@@chestersnapdragonmcphistic579 3:38-3:39ish is where he says it
Nope. Letsseeifican is what he says. lets see if I can
But he IS cursing at 20:30 xD
He served in the military so it tends to be part of your everyday conversation
enemy tank aims for the Strv 104 "amorack" fires and the tank start leaking diesel insted
when you stated about there being no turret basket was that the reason why they existed or invented to prevent people from loosing their limbs or lives?
the design of the Water Heater Mk4 is considered a military secret of utmost importance.
There was plans for further upgrades too.
Strv 105 and 106 wich would have upgraded the Strv 102 and 104 if my memory is intact. Only 1 Strv 105 was built as a demonstrator. 106 would have been the same upgrades but to the 104 model.
will you ever do the leclerc s1 french mbt?
This wasn’t covered in the video, but I notice this vehicle is equipped with ERA explosive reactive armor. I have long wondered if they were susceptible to sympathetic detonation. Could a strike cause a domino effect stripping a tank of its extra protection in a matter of moments?
To my understanding, if you're hit by something severe enough to pull that off, you're not surviving the first hit anyway.
can you do the Safrican centurian "Olifant" please?
@The_Chieftain how did they prevent destruction of water tanks by ice expanding and destroying the tanks? also water usage in cold weather.
Well, similar situation as we have in Poland. Basically we're upgrading T-72 on and on.
Keep doing that. Eventually you get the chance to pick up something dirt cheap to replace them with. You do not want to be broke when the opportunity arise.
I love Centurions. Just waiting for AFV Club to tool some more versions, I have almost every kit they have made of the various Centurion from mk1 to shot kal. They need to make this Swedish one ASAP!
Do you have the Oliphant?
Awesome video love it😎👍
Yes waterheater is a must, swedes can not fight without coffee :)
Or snus.
If you want to know what happens when you interpose yourself between Swedish troops and their snus, ask the Serbian border guard veterans of the Balkan wars...
So... there we go...
The Indian Army also used Centurions, both the 20 pounder and the 105 mm. Great tank, and in the 1965 war gave Pakistani M47/48 crews many significant emotional events.
“You think the tanks on fire?” **hatch sticks** “oh for fucks sake”
Hey chieften on your next qna could you answer my question. Which suspension was the best during ww2? Torsion, Christine, hvss, spring or leaf spring.
Depends on what your criteria are, I guess. The fact that torsion became the default in the cold-war period, however, seems to lean the answer in that direction.
@@TheChieftainsHatch sorry for the late reply. My criteria would be world war two. And which country used it to better affect. And what tanks where best suited for it. I really would like to see a video on this topic if you could. Thank you for replying to me Mr. Moran.
You show a tank better than anyone. Hope you can show many more. How about an M551 Sheridan, or an M60?
@The_Chieftain Maybe you should open up a discord sever or something like that, were you could do some kind of consultation hour/live Q&A, and where your community could do their debates and share their/your knowledge.
That end was painful just watching
hey The Chieftain, at the GunFire museum in Brasschaat Belgium is a T72-A, we would love to see you come, notify me if you are intrested (we have some more vehicles that could be intresting)
Does any army have height restrictions for tank crew. I think the old Soviet Army did,but their tanks were a lot smaller than Western ones.
I guess most do. Last time I visited a tivoli some of the rides was off limit for me, not due to my age but due to my height. If a tivoli can do it sure the military can.
With the benefit of hind sight, what would the optimal and most economical US tank selection look like, i.e what would connect the M4 Sherman to the M1 Abrams? Also what would precede the M4 Sherman since the US didn't really have a tank capacity before then. Would the alternate branches still exist like the tank destroyers units?
Oh bugger the cheiftain finally swore 😂 love it
Can we be expecting a tour of the Bob Semple tank anytime soon? Or at least can it be a tier X in World of Tanks.
Nice rear
TC manually rotates cupola, not turret, yes?
If you could design a tank for WWII of any weight up to the largest produced then and using their technology, would you emphasize firepower, mobility or armor. Or blend as much as possible?
"Take two hundred and seventy six - you know, this used to be fun." 😎
Gunnery with flare illum is not easy. We dinotankers remember.
M60A1?
M60A1, searchlight duty.
I was NJARNG 104th AR (or Cav depending on time period) HHC 4.2in Mortars, supported Tank Table VIII. One drill the S3 scheduled the wrong Mortar Firing Point, didn't take Angle T in effect, there were calls for "Check Fire" on the FIST Net, from the 4.2in Illum casings bouncing off of the M48A5 Tanks.
M60A1 in Korea, 1978 and ‘79. We did our night Table 8 runs with both searchlight illumination and flares from the 4.2 inch mortars. My crew shot the hell out of the daylight portion, but both my gunner and I had less than optimal night vision. We managed to qualify, but barely.
@@LOLHAMMER45678 I gunned on an M60A1 with IR so searchlight, range card and flare. Also was a gunner on M48A5s all the same. You had to wait until the flare almost hit the ground to see the target and glare was a bitch.
Do an inside the hatch on that Chieftain with the Stillbrew. What is Stillbrew anyway? It just looks like a wacky form fitted sheet of thin metal, nothing more....like modern Shurtzen?
The TC hatch on that Cent is fkin HUGE. like you could park a Centurion in a Centurion's hatch.
I miss that background music 💔😪
I so wish Chieftain would use some kind of head protection.
Maybe a teleprompter type device might help?
When did the British introduce the sun roof on the Centurion?
Did the Leopard 1 come in a cabrio?
That is a good question, why buy newer Leopard 1s when you can upgrade your good old Centurions?
How much more battle worthy were the last generation of Leopard 1 in comparison to the Swedish Strv 104?
I'd suspect the final Leo1 was faster but otherwise worse than the Strv104 or the final Strv 105 prototype.
I think the contra rotating probably caused the same nausea and road sickness the mbt 70 caused the driver...
Hey, Chieftain, what is the watch on your wrist?
11:04 "There is no maingun for pedals" :)
"God Lord ,beeep fooks sake beeeepp BOLLOCKS" :) Great vid Nic thak you very much.
How much water can the water heater heat?
The new TC hatch was also installed on the 102.
Sweden hired Israeli engineers to come to Sweden in secret to install the first hatches for trails. 😅
I’m happy the he’s doing his own thing other WOT. We’ll lively see less videos like this. I do hope get get a good sponsor. Would love a good recommendation of good audiobooks. He’s mentioned he listened to books in Iraq.