2 exceptional videos that report clear problems that we face with non-regulated platforms. Have you directed these videos and/ or the research you've done with European Union Agency For Fundamental Rights or U. S. Department of Health & Human Services?
I have no interest in roblox however, it is honestly absurd that how out of touch this shite, And thus this particularly gruesome lie. Thank for another quality content
Great video! I would also like to add that it's really really easy to hack into Roblox's accounts and you can find HUGE lists of hacked Roblox accounts on the internet, now imagine having a credit card attached into a hacked profile
Roblox: Gets asked genuine questions with concern toward the minors using their platform. Also roblox: “we aren’t answering your questions because they’re mean”
I'm not defending Roblox here, but it's very naive to think they'd answer direct, incriminating questions like these right of the bat. It's even more naive to think they don't know that all of this is going on and are not obvious in their attempts to swipe the whole thing under the rug. This is pure gaslighting.
The Hungarian Government is the same. It's constantly criticizing and attacking independent press, while censoring whatever it can. It censors media of LGBT rights, abortion rights, ethnic rights, women's rights (domestic abuse). It recently branded a movie about an adult woman coming out to her family as lesbian as she wanted to invite them to her wedding as "unfit for public consumption" (Jenny's Wedding).
I love how People Makes Games doubles down instead of buckling when they are pressured by the groups they are investigating. Same with the Athene video, truly fantastic journalism.
@@Daftanemone They're different genres. This is more like reporting, while noclip documentaries are just that: documentaries. It's a common fallacy to think of documentaries as objective truth, while the main goal is most often entertainment (or edutainment). And at that they're very good imo
@@Selawen Noclip has covered several controversial creators without touching on the controversy in any meaningful depth, they aren't 'entertainment' they are propaganda.
Valve, as a privately owned company, has received immense backlash for the community markets in TF2 and CSGO encouraging gambling. TF2 and CSGO being games rated for and marketed towards adults exclusively. Meanwhile Roblox has an entire laissez-faire economy run by children and is also traded publicly on the NYSE.
I traded in the TF2 Community, it wasnt too bad, I left at around 2020, I maybe made 10k USD, but I lost a lot due to the vast scams and unfortunate mistakes, but overall ive learned these E-Markets(within games) get hellbent on extorting you for your money, It was a very sour taste left in my mouth after playing that game since 2012. RIPtf2
In belgium we have a law about (random) lootboxes. They have to show the content before we buy them. I play a lot of dota 2 and i already know which item i'll receive from a collection before i buy it. Which is cool, but it also goes to show how far Valve and other companies have to go to abide the law. While this madness in roblox goes on. Damn i'm glad i never invested time into this game
a message to all children: If a company or school offers to sell your product, game, or idea that YOU created. Don't do it, wait until your an adult to fully expand that idea and then decide what you want to do with that.
The best way to understand why is to understand somebody's pov or a more common phrase being "Stepping in someone else's shoes" Imagine being a child trying to earn robux to convert into money to buy candy from the store or something but getting minimal pay... They legit take a 30%cut- BUT also imagine being a big corp with millions upon BILLIONS of accounts to check (Its impossible which is why they use auto bot thingys" though roblox has to do better if they want their company to stand... Hell they got sued for 200 mil from music in September and another 200 mil now I still play roblox for the nostalgia and for the fact that I would wish to meet new players (Im a shy blob) If you're gonna take away anything about this comment (which you won't) remember that you gotta step into someones shoes (Sorry for bullying your notifications I posted it here because your post reminded me of this)
One time a teacher at my school saw a drawing frm my sketchbook and asked to take a picture. I agreed but was shocked a few weeks later to see the drawing had been posted to their instagram account with a caption claiming they encouraged my creatvity and generally took credit for my art chops. Obviously there was no money involved but it was still really upsetting to me they had done this without my permission and taken credit for it.
Update - As of August 2023 Doc has been arrested by the FBI and sentenced to 15 years in federal prison plus an additional 20 years of probation and to pay $10,000 in restitution. SEO was taken down after Sega demanded it's removal from Roblox for copyright infringement.
I dig a bit to see the details. Seemed like a harsh sentence for what amounted to ‘sexting’, compared to what actual rapists get. But no, there was a whole lot more he did after ‘Sarah’ that was worse, much worse. That ‘apology’ letter was just the usual lame cya. He didn’t change, he just upped the ante on his methods. Thankfully his victim was rescued but not before being kept captive for days. He’s a real sick dude. Sarah (not the kidnap victim) was extremely lucky to get away from him with ‘only’ his creepy text chats to scar her.
he should’ve been put in solitary confinement for the rest of his life. i’m absolutely disgusted at how ineffective the prison system is at punishing criminals.
@@sylv512 I have a Couple Friends that did Time.... They Hate and I mean HATE Child Predators and they treat them as they Should be Treated. So putting Doc in Solitary Confinement would be make Docs life Very Easy if you catch my drift.
hey kids, remember that when someone says “i will have to live with this” as an apology instead of acknowledging the damage they have caused to others, that’s a 🚩
I love how the article talks about how Steam charges $100 for indie developers to out their game on their website. Like yeah, that's how businesses work. They also have a licence fee for using Source engine for games you're planning on selling. The difference being that is that you need to be an 18+ year old person to agree to their terms, and you actually get the majority cut of sales. As opposed to Roblox which takes most of the cut from actual children.
Actually no, atleast in poland you don't need to be 18 to sign that document, you need to have a tax identifcation number and a bank account though, but you can get those under 18. Also steam provides decent networking in that price, acces to events such as steam next fest which are quite helpfully for a small indie dev, i think the 100 usd is a pretty decent price Source: i am 16 and have a game on steam in my name
How much is server hosting though? And moderation, and actually getting your game noticed by players. There's a lot of good that roblox does that just isn't mentioned anywherr
I really hope that this is NOT the last video you do on this. No matter how depressing, the world NEEDS to know what is being done to children, we need to get back on track as a society and stop the never-ending pursuit of profits
but not by attacking companies as if they created this society of unsupervised kids with strangers having access to them. roblox already censors harder than the average police state like britain, cant expect anything more.
How the F did a company like Valve almost get shafted for the whole skin gambling thing, but Roblox, a company focused on Kid friendly content, can enable this without any kind of investigation???
my super super happy face which i bought for around 50 bucks a couple of years ago skyrocketed and is now valued at around $1000 was stolen and when i contacted roblox they just said they can't do anything about it, i don't really care about the money but it has a personal value and they just brushed it off :/
Even a year later, this video still barely scratches the surface. If PMG made a video about everything wrong with Roblox, we'll be here for the next decade.
@@theneutralguy2317 Over 4 months late but it'd just be easier to say what isn't wrong with Roblox. A good start to the rabbit hole is the RUclipsr Ruben Sim, his videos on his experiences with the company is a solid starting point to the thing.
Theres a yt channel called rubensim. Sometimes he knows how to troll and joking.. but in the other side. He was disagree with roblox and go against it. He was being sued by roblox though.
@@nighttimeblitz2401 Hello, RubenSim̶p̶ subscriber here. Just wanted to say he did not directly "went out of his way to ruin RDC." _What he did was make a "terrorist bomb threat" joke on old Roblox user JuliusCole, who in the past had made a video where he states he wants all of Roblox HQ to die and shows a picture of (an old in-game model of) Roblox HQ and saying "they need to blow that shit up."_ _Unrelated to RubenSim, another user made an __-equally or more-__ edgy Tweet regarding the RDC, showing a photo of a Roblox t-shirt and a gun claiming "don't go to RDC"...or some shit like that. You get it, it's a school shooter joke._ _Threats like that normally wouldn't be taken lightly, so that gave grounds for Roblox to sue. Rather than going after the latter, they targeted RubenSim for threats. The second Twitter user claimed responsibility and says they're not involved with the RUclipsr._ Not trying to directly defend RubenSim atm (but I'm willing to argue it if bothered to), but just saying I don't think he actually wanted or intended RDC to be cancelled.
@@carterg3321 The whole greedy scumbag CEO thing happened. I haven't kept up beyond the CEO resigning (or getting sacked?) a while back, not sure as to the current state of Unity.
Coming back to say another comment: several journalist/news sites have reported on this, but none are big enough to draw attention to it. This video is nearing 2M+ views, and that's a good thing. The more awareness brought to the company's corruption the better. What I fear is Roblox targeting the channel or video with a strike or even a lawsuit at worst. But if they do, I feel like it will only prove they want to censor people under the false claims of defamation or lies.
I really love the aspect of giving the youth a voice! It's really nice to see youth actually being represented and showing the true dangers and true experiences that these youth have to endure!
its not illegal, its just very immoral. as long as the child labour and harassment doesn't happen through Roblox's platform and all the deals are made in shady board-room type 3rd party chats the roblox corporation can't and won't be held responsible for what happens. It's like the Rittenhouse case, obviously we're seeing a violation and a situation that shouldn't occur yet everything awful that happens if perfectly defensible in court which is all that matters in terms of corporate accountability.
PLEASE dont let up on Roblox, its obviously depressing but extremely vital. Investigative journalism like this (and people coming forward) is the *only* way anything ever gets changed. Fight them on the gaslighting, or maybe talk to legal professionals to clarify just how illegal this is. *LegalEagle could teamup on this.*
@@dickurkel6910 And its their problem... If someone wants to be in such an environment let them. You only can stop yourself to contribute and maybe safe your friends and family. Besides ALL Platforms had those issues back in the days but we gladly accepted or left.
As a minor, when I was around 12 to 13 I took part in a team of amateur developers. I joined a game on the roblox platform where people could advertise their games, groups, virtual clothing, etc. I found someone, probably within a few years of my age who wanted to make a game. I offered my services as an animator and 3d modeler, and they invited me to their discord. I and one other random child worked under a minor with no experience in this whatsoever. I had some experience with 3d modeling, and while it wasn't professional quality it was decent. I did this as a hobby and for fun, not anything serious. I did all of the modeling/animating on roblox studio. Basically, I and this other person, a scripter, would work on the game based on what the actual owner of the game told us to do, with the promise of a fraction of the revenue the game generated. A lot of mistakes on my part. I did not know anything about the background of the person who I was working under, he did not give me a solid percentage, and he was very loose when telling us what to do. After doing a lot of work on the game, it was almost ready to be released. I was excited because I had spent a lot of time working on it after school. The person I was working under, with no notice, banned me and the other person from the discord, blocked us on roblox, removed our permissions from the game and posted it, after removing the credits to us. We had made little statues of ourselves labeled scripter and modeler, and he deleted them. The game was a flop anyways, but I was upset. Edit: I don't recall the exact name but it was like clicking legends, tapping simulator, or something like that.
What a thoughtful and nice idea to make statues of yourselves in the game and how cruel someone take everything away from you without a second thought…
As you should be, you should be furious, your hard work and time went into that just for it to be stolen. It's basically art stealing, I'd never stop posting it everywhere if someone stole my art, it's like a farmer growing a fruit tree from a seed, taking care of it all the time, just to have someone steal all your fruits once they grow and killing the tree in the process. It's the same thing imo
@@NatalovesLilly it's a really cute thing I loved seeing in Roblox, a lot of the big games have them which I always thought I was cool, it's selfish af to remove them
Don't contact Roblox about the developer of that Sonic game. Contact SEGA/Nintendo, or whoever owns the Sonic copyright, and see them make Roblox kneel with a cease and desist letter. Lawsuits are what companies truly fear, especially lawsuits from other companies.
Roblox kneels down to the company until they turn a blind eye and roblox just keeps the new copyright infringing material up. Look at pokemon games on roblox and they are thriving, roblox takes one down every once in a blue moon, to be like "we don't support this" while they just want profit. If any company ever tries to take on roblox, keep an eye on them, and if you are nintendo, get on them because they are actively supporting copyright infringement when told to remove it
@@cherubin7th Nintendo only in the switch era started to agree with the mentality that lets plays increase sales for their games because of exposure. It’s still infringement, but it’s better for game sales, and so Nintendo doesn’t take them down. They could, they have, they likely won’t. The same cannot be said for Roblox Pokémon games. It wouldn’t be a stretch to say that they disincentive buying the actual Pokémon games, because everything is in this one.
@@ajc0072 they exceeded EA long ago. The fact the whole platform is based on child labour that underpays all their employees is enough to make this basically one of the worst tech companies. The rest explained to this video just comes on top of this. Look at blizzards sexual harassment and how it basically destroyed the company. Meanwhile Roblox just ignored all sexual harassment with under age people and says it's not their fault it happens under basically their employees. Except they pay their employees in fake cash to keep them working there.
@@The_oli4 roblox developers are volunteers, not employees, they choose to make the games for fun, some expect to make money, their real employees are paid real money.
Roblox has always been EA levels of bullshittery, it's just that the audience is generally younger, and therefore people don't really know what's going on. But, as the community grows older, the issues are being addressed and new problems are arising. Still, Roblox will never have to respond to any of this.
@@carterg3321Unity runtime fee, they wanted to start charging developers per install, even counting the same person installing it multiple times. Some devs estimated that Unity would charge them more than their games were actually earning, and they weren’t clear on how it would deal with piracy
It is not just a problem, it is paedophilia, and you go to prison for doing it. (Or should at least if the laws are applied as written.) And those texts shown alone go way beyond "flirting". And taking NO for an answer is _always_ the way to go, regardless of age. If i am interested in a women (yes, I am an old guy now) and she wants to play games by faking disinterest to make me "work for it", I write her off as not interested.
@@57thorns Yeah, pedophilia is a problem. There’s no word to describe how big of a problem it is. I really just want to know if that girl is safe and she got help from her parents. Not her name, nothing like that just if she’s gotten help and she’s healing
The fact that Roblox allows links off their site onto Discord, RUclips, etc. yet still saying anything off their site is not their responsibility just flabbergasts me. They're literally providing the off site links.
That’s fair tho. They can’t be blamed for anything offsite and if they don’t allow off site links, communities around these games wouldn’t grow as fast
To be fair, I strongly doubt boycotting ROBLOX and withdrawing all financial support for the platform will even help. I mean, try it if you want, but it will all be in vain. Just goes to show how limited our options of taking down ROBLOX and sparking change is.
@@ConfirmedZer0 the best thing that could happen is some sort of legislation against this kind of predatory approach that roblox has taken, rather than boycotting roblox themselves which as you said won't be effective.
I watch my kid like a hawk, put a block on payments, and have detailed convos with them about issues involving abuse, explotation, predators, etc. Teaching how to navigate the world of the internet is part of our job.
props to sarah for coming forward. so upsetting how prevalent it is for literal CHILDREN to get abused online and needing to grow up so fast because of it. she sounds very well-spoken and i hope she is getting support.
Considering they're a multi-milkion dollar company that made its profits on the backs of children... this is entirely believable. But they're publicly traded, so off to the markets! I've got hella stocks to short! TO THE MOOOOOOON
@@nigmane, and get banned because it's against the Roblox ToS, despite the video claiming completely falsely that they "turn a blind eye too it" because they'll get some sort of backlash?
Stories as important as these, about minors getting hurt. Gets silenced, while the future mainstream media is sexualizing kids and attempting to blur the lines to what is "acceptable". We fucked up, by bringing an age old online culture into our markets for the sake profit.
Ok so once I was on Roblox and this girl was asking “men” in royal high to help make babies. She asked me a trans male to help her I left the server and reported her.I haven’t seen her since. She asked the people to come to the hotel room and then she did emotes that looked inappropriate when put with the other ones like: face in the “inbetween the legs area”
Nothing ever ages well in this day and age of late-stage hypercapitalism, honey. And these bourgeoise elites have the audacity to feign ignorance while they double down on their IRL 4X game, now that the proletariats are waking up in younger and younger generations. Capitalism is a disease, hypercapitalism, doubly so, and must be dismantled if we are to save our humanity, never mind our entire planet alone.
As a Roblox Developer myself, I have to say, your allegations towards ROBLOX are pretty spot on. They have horrible moderation, banning developers for often no reason at all. Their Dev-Ex Rates are very poor, and scamming is very common among developers. Many of the people I have done commissions for are often very inexperienced and shady.
I absolutely agree. Moderation > I recently had an ad taken down for "inappropriate content", despite not being inappropriate, they did not refund my Robux put into this ad. Banning devs for no reason > I had that two years ago, they wouldn't tell me why I was banned for 3 days and only told me I was correctly banned. Their Dev-Ex rates are poor > Yeah; from every $1000 people spend on my game, I get $700 in virtual currency which I can exchange for $245 (Minus $5 transaction fee makes $240) Scamming is common among developers > Two of our guys took 2 million robux and ran off together, great, Roblox wouldn't do anything about it. Support is not helpful. Many of the people are often very inexperienced and shady > As a scripter, I am constantly in charge of the UI because I can't find anyone who knows how to scale the UI correctly. In general, I am also afraid to do anything on my main account, from chatting to placing ads et cetera. They could falsely moderate my account at any time -also the reason much groups have "group holder" accounts for instance. Though Roblox has improved in the past two years, but still has some flaws. I wish the best for the future though, as I am still a loyal Roblox developer making some extra cash on the side through this platform.
Yeah, but the only thing that is on roblox is their moderation, which can easily be fixed if you contact support. As for dev ex rates, roblox has made no profit for the past few years.
“Jack’s learning unity now” wow that makes me feel so much better tbh. Imagine if all of these young devs devoted their time to the learning unity or unreal, a bit higher barrier to entry, but at the end of the day their not being exploited.
2 weeks ago I wanted to try out roblox development. Now I am skipping the "middle man" and going straight to unity. heck nah I am not going to be exploited by a child exploiting conglomerate thats bigger then Nintendo
That's what you'd hope for, right? For alot of the good developers to leave Roblox for a more flexible platform or engine? But other than the simplicity, Roblox's massive userbase is probably what keeps alot of the devs clinging to the site. Quick and easy players, the micro-transactions and all. I can't imagine how difficult it might be for an indie developer to get enough purchases without some magic luck the popular games and studios have...
I mean, large swathes of the game industry still aren't unionized, and people who end up working in it are often victims to very high turnover, workplace harassment, and terrible working conditions involving crunch, sleep deprivation, and borderline unlivable wages. But at least your boss won't be a 10-year-old if you work at Ubisoft or Activision-Blizzard lol
@@SLDimarco You missunderstand. The original comment uses irony to highlight the flaw of a fundamental assumption in capitalism: that disregulation in markets is a good thing. Spoilers: no it is not. Disregulation just means that the players willing to break the rules and cause demonstrable harm will not be punished. That's how you get companies selling literal cocaine in a bottle before the FDA was introduced to _regulate the market_ in regards to product quality. That's also why you should be distrustful of the political right wing that pushes for disregulation in all and every market. It's the very thing that caused the absolute abhorrent failure of America's healthcare system, amongst many examples.
When your defense of your account being banned for sexually harassing a 12 year old is that's not what you were even banned for, it becomes incredibly concerning what you were banned for.
So Roblox is using kids work for personal gain and all they provide is the basic premise and equipment. Along with providing minimal pay. Like a sweatshop?
I said it on the last video, I'll say it again. This is one of the only cases that I can think of where the line "oh won't somebody think of the children" is actually really appropriate, and not just a rhetorical fallacy. Parents and congresspeople *need* to get involved with this.
It's disgusting just how little action Roblox seems to take; they will preach that the platform is safe and a good one for kids when they don't actually care. Really wish it wouldn't be that way but with the direction they're going I don't think anyone will stop them.
It is true that parents and governments need to be involved, but like Quintin said, "it took me months to unpick how Roblox operates...what hope does parents and politicians have of understanding what their kids are doing on Roblox or with who? Or the many and varied ways the Roblox corporation is profiting from them." Even Roblox doesn't have a full enough understanding to explain to these officials, which is absurd.
@@com0001 Roblox simply does not want to take action. They are focused on profit maximization. So having MILLIONS of free workers kind of fit in their idea of profit maximization.
Finally there is a realistic and genuine source for a parental panic around gaming AND THEY AREN’T DOING IT. Violence in video games is an easy to understand issue for parents, labor exploitation, black markets, and child gambling? Not so much
Wel that’s mostly because it’s not happening right in front of there faces. If it ain’t gta flashing hooker tits in front of their faces and parents just see it as block game then they’ll turn a blind eye to child exploitation
growing up on roblox I knew a few people who were totally fine making inappropriate jokes even against my wishes. one of them was a little over a year older than me and another was an adult, I remember cutting ties with the adult a little bit before I got a discord, then later finding out that they sent people nsfw without consent and yet them still being in the discord server of the game they worked for. there were a few others who crossed boundaries over the years but after a while I drifted off of roblox and then away from my roblox friends. to be honest, roblox's marketing towards kids is part of the problem -- and the fact that they have a private message system built in is insane given it's marketed towards 10 year olds. If it was encouraged for all ages then more eyes would be everywhere like in minecraft and honestly if you're expecting a ton of 10 year olds on your platform I think maybe private messages should be discouraged.
Its a shame because there are some incredibly talented young developers in the community, and they’re being exploited pretty hardcore because of the lack of moderation and roblox’s loose safety protocols
The video's so hard to watch, but only because it's such a well-researched piece of journalism on a company so aggressively unethical. Incredible stuff. Instant subscription from me.
This is just sad. Im not surprised at this moment and i have stood up multiple times only to be struck down. I got a team of white hat hackers to look into this. I must let these voices be heard
I really love playing roblox but i am very mad at roblox for what they are doing. The roblox moderation is really bad. Like god damn abs went through roblox but the word “gay” is banned. I am so mad at them and i hope they make this a lot better.
Ill give an example of what this is like. Tower defense simulator in roblox has a tower called the “freezer” like 2 years ago this was such a good tower with its ability but now it was just slammed into the ground and never brought up again. Its sad to see how a god of a tower became the most worthless tower in the game. Just like roblox! They were so good from the start with amazing moderation but now its just the worst moderation ever and that improvement of moderation was never brought up again.
It's honestly impressive that Roblox has somehow managed to take every negative thing about game development and combine them all into one nice little package. When I started making Flash games in the mid-2000s, I struggled to get noticed and never made enough AdSense money to cash out, though Google certainly made a few bucks off of me. So Roblox has that nonsense covered, but also rolls in terrible moderation, harmful practices, awful support, an so much more. They're putting profit first, community be damned.
Then they have devs in their team having very inapropriate blogs and they sued ruben for mostly exposing their failures as a corperation for children but they quieted him from the site now he can't join roblox anymore as they can't take any bad feedback towards their child targeted platform.
@@TheZorch , here is the thing, though, like the Death Stars, the evil actions of the Luciferian globalist elite also have a weakness and their weakness is, ironically enough, also just happening to be their biggest strengths, as well as the reasons for why they exist, and they are money and all of its forms, as well as all of its related ilk, like banks, stocks, bonds, fees, and taxes in all of their forms, and I will explain why that this is the reality of things. The harsh reality is that all of these things exist simply because various members of the Luciferian globalist elite not only think of these scams, but that they also think that it is a good idea to enforce these scams. However, like an email/telephone scam ring operation, once you know how they work, they are also easy to take down, and the reason for that is simple, and it is that these things only have value so as long as the Luciferian globalist elite give them value, which is why the email/telephone scam ring operations flourish, that, and they also have various organizations that make the scams be protected, which is why Nigeria, Russia, India, and other nations have a plethora of them happening, and why the entire world is controlled by the Luciferian globalist elite. Now if you think that what I said is not true, then I can easily name several examples of that being put into practice, namely, the Weimar Republic Deutsche mark of the 1920s, the Great Depression, the Japanese yen of the 1980s, the dot-com boom of the 1990s, the dot-com bubble burst of the early 2000s, the Great Recession of the 2000s to present, the Zimbabwean dollar of the 2000s, and numerous economic recessions and depressions worldwide over the years. The bottom line is this, when you simply remove the people from power that are doing these things, as well as the organizations that help them exist, then you fix the problem, and if the people that run Roblox think that they are any different, well, when they face massive class action lawsuits, not just from the USA, but worldwide, AND when the people do not back down, well, it will be R.I.P. Roblox and massive prison terms for its executives, that is, IF said executives are fortunate, and it could essentially be death by real life mobs if the people that are angry enough at those evildoers.
I genuinely wanna know how we stop corporations like this from continuing their dirty work. We literally cannot sue them cus it would be a slap on the wrists to them.
Welcome to the revolution, comrade. Best start sharpening your guillotine... A foundational, fundamental shift in how our system functions is the only way what you're looking for is going to happen. The politicians whose job it is to put regulations in place to do something about this kind of stuff are either: stomping on the gas pedal to accelerate this kind of stuff because they think it's good actually; are too out of touch to even understand the issue (there are some in the House and the Senate who LITERALLY do not understand what email is); or have abandoned us to fend for ourselves in the face of the depredations of these corporations because they can fundraise off of material conditions perpetually worsening. Nothing changes if nothing changes, and nothing has fundamentally changed in a long, long time.
@Hatsune Miku's Leek a few hundred means nothing when there's literally billions of accounts, most aren't active but from what I've seen there's over 3 billion accounts and around 50m daily users. With a lot of them being children logic doesn't work the same way cause a lot of them don't realize they're being taken advantage of when they are
“What I said was very wrong and I apologize, but calling me out for what I said is blatant character assassination and you are wrong for it” I hate these people with a passion.
That dude straight up sounds evil. He didn’t even actually apologize at all, not that he would’ve meant it anyways. Hope he falls into a woodchipper feet first.
@@nemo-x That is a pretty terrible attempt at a comparison, and no one said it wasn't a character assassination. It IS a character assassination, and it's entirely justified and deserved.
This is very heartening to see. As a now teenager who played Roblox when I was around six years old, I’m terrified for my younger sister who is obsessed with Roblox. When I was six years old, I played a role play game where I was manipulated into erping with a stranger. I had no idea what was happening and I was scared. But I knew that my parents would take the game away if I ever told them what happened to me on it, I’m certain other kids had similar experiences, and I sincerely hope this does not go unpunished. You’re doing very honorable work. Keep going!
I love how it says 'It's against our rules to tell people to go offsite' and then at the bottom of most popular games made by multiple people, it has a space to put social links to twitter, discord and youtube.
that isn't the problem, the problem is they do nothing about the problems offsite because they claim it's not their fault, when their own platform enables this because of their flawed currency.
The space to put social links is designed to show up for only kids ages 13 and older, when you actually *are* allowed to use those sites. It's not really beyond ROBLOX's control if you just sign up with an account aged 13+ if you're really 13>, unless if they add some sort of feature that verifies your age (e.g. posting a form of identity) but would probably lose out on profit.
Well, I had intended to go to bed like 3 hours ago. Instead I ended up writing lengthy emails to my state representatives. This is frankly disgusting and I am actually floored that any of this is considered to be legally acceptable. Nothing short or predatory and exploitative. Can't believe that RUclipsrs can have their entire channels put at risk of deletion for advertising to children inappropriately, but Roblox can literally profit from extensive child labor abuse.
And that's why I love the States, a single person can stand up to a huge company and still have a chance to win a lawsuit. Where I'm from, the industry titans CEOs are ministers so they oversee the interest of their own companies rather than the people.
My heart goes out to Sarah. I received grooming in a similar environment at a similar age and it genuinely does leave a mark. I hope that she is able to find peace and knows that people believe her
The fact that a developer spent 200k robuxs on clothes instead of withdrawing it into real money shows that in game currencies make you forget their actual value.
From a friendly report to a full on investigation, you can feel their drive to report this to it's full extent in every part of the video. Massive and increidble work!
So this is gathering a lot of views and I greatly appreciate that-- but please everyone, watch the first video. These are additional points to the main topic, which was established in the first episode.
Grooming on this platform is not an uncommon thing, unfortunately. As someone who first joined the platform over a decade ago when I was 12, and who has made many virtual friends through it, almost every young girl I befriended through my time on the platform experienced something similar to Sarah, in one way or another.
@@katie7748 but most importantly, please make sure you’re someone that your kids feel safe to talk to about anything that could be making them feel unsafe. I wish I had that from my parents when I was going through similar situations.
The vast majority of players won't experience anything like it. The only ones that will are those that participate in Roblox communities outside Roblox, for example Discord, or shady places in general. If you're just playing the game and having fun you're 100% safe. Due to chat filter there is no way you could get groomed on the platform itself. So, let your kid have fun and make nice memories.
@@Ratmasssssfrom my experience in hunting these people down, they are very rare to find randomly and get banned in a day thanks to people like Moderation for Dummies
What sucks about this video is you're here talking about it as if it's some shocking thing, and to most people it is! All of this is shocking to hear. But me, as a veteran player since 2012, I watched through this whole video and just said "Yeah, I know." This rabbit hole goes so much deeper and even with two videos you've still barely scratched the surface. Child abuse and predation is commonplace on dev teams, I personally know multiple people who got outed as predators, and even more that were affected by predators. Thank you for making this video. Let's hope more people learn about this and someone with enough power finally does something.
Definitely. I’ve been playing the game for a little more than half a decade and I wasn’t surprised by a single thing. It put in to perspective how many things i overlook just because I’m so used to it. Limits are essential to roblox and when he put it like that I realized how messed up it truly is.
I've been playing Roblox since 2010 & I think Roblox needs to do the complete opposite of what he proposed. Roblox needs to be a platform where people make up the content & community on it. This will expose people to what the real world is like. I've been scammed, cheated, hacked, & bullied countless times. I learned how to protect myself online, spot scams, I would even call myself immune to bullying. This isn't just Roblox, this is EVERY game. I remember playing Minecraft factions, people were being racist in game chat, people would scam & cheat each other constantly. You would have to vet people to avoid getting "insided" where someone joins you to backstab you. Gaming communities are toxic because *people are toxic*. Let children grow up in organic environments where they can have uncensored communications with other people. I find it funny that people in call of duty 3 times my age were bullying me at one point in time. Roblox needs to stop trying to be a walled garden & instead focus on creating a good platform for people to gather.
Wouldn't Child Labor laws come into play here as well? Really need to throw the book at them but with how egregious the Gaming Industry is as a whole in using manipulation and scummy practices towards the younger generations.
Since roblox is an international game, the laws get kinda jumbled together. It would make things ‘hard’ to follow every country’s different child laws. Basically they’re using excuses to keep making profit
@@cleosvoyage Actually, most countries have agreements to follow/enforce other countrys' laws (eg copywrite and patent etc) because failing to have those would bring a halt to trade in the same way that sending any valuable tech or design to China is a guarantee to have the design ripped off unless you have very direct control over the factory it goes to. So many companies take a profit hit to avoid the risk of having something made in China.
What you're doing here is very important and valuable. Please do not stop. Sometimes the the big thing we're meant to do in life isn't necessarily the one we signed up for. I've both followed PMG for a long time now and played Roblox since near it's inception. This rabbit hole is unfathomably deep with negligence, child abuse, exploitation, gambling, gaslighting and the works. Just a fraction of which you've already witnessed first hand. Out of Roblox's tens of millions of users there are millions of stories of inscrutable things, immoral things that have happened on this platform and have been allowed to happen for far too long. Using your platform as a launching point for this sort of journalism targeting this sort of company is truly something to commend. I cannot stress enough how meaningful it is that you've used your own personal voice and outreach to signal boost this issue, putting at risk your own livelihood and public image in a very much David and Goliath style situation. But I know you see with open eyes that if you, a decently successful RUclips platform is David in the eyes of Roblox as Goliath, then the children are but mere ants beneath Roblox's feet. So many are voiceless, faceless, and unable to communicate not just trivial frustrations but true and significant issues that will go on to affect so many of them deeply and for the rest of their lives. If this must be your last video on Roblox, so be it. But please pass on the torch, please setup the foundations for the work you've done here to server as a larger platform for kids everywhere to tell their stories or get out just how bad and how deep the Roblox problem persists. Thank you so much for what you've done.
@@yuyuqk a rando teenager with an anime pfp has experience by being involved in roblox's malpractices including gambling? can you please explain why i find that hard to believe? not saying that roblox isnt a greedy multibillion corporation but
@@hemalathapajaniraja1990 Have you watched the video, sir? If not, please watch it before commenting. But even more importantly, use your own head. This is a platform that officially allows kids to: - Deposit real money. - Withdraw real money. - Trade that money however they want and play whatever games they want with it. Given this, how on earth would you not expect gambling to be common? It would still be happening even if the company were actively doing their best to stop it, but there's a whole officially endorsed gambling scene with the stock market thing.
one time i bought a hat with robux, and it costed about 5000 robux, and then roblox content deleted the item and didnt refund me, and i appealed this and roblox told me it was my fault because i had purchased the item in the first place.
@@JJ-Streaming I don't think Unity nor Unreal Engine take any percentage of your income, it's the game store that you're uploading to that takes said percentage (example: Steam takes 30% every time someone buys your game, however the Epic Games Store takes 12%.) However, it should be stated that if you made your game on Unity and said game makes more than 100,000 USD, you'll have to get a Unity Pro license. (I'm not sure about the numbers though.)
I've had an experience with an unregulated developer once however my friends on the team had it far worse than I did. I was a graphic designer and a friend of mine was starting a new project attempting to revive another game that died off awhile ago. The idea piqued my interest and it felt a bit nostalgic so I offered to help design the game's art. My other friends hopped on board and before I knew it, I've already designed the game's thumbnail, icon, and graphics for each reoccurring update. The game, despite all odds, was somewhat of a hit. It had influence on a few other platforms and we even started getting on the same level as big names. And then that's when the fame started getting into the owner's head. When it was finally time for the creator to pay his developers, he skimped on them. I receiving nothing, a close friend who was an animator received 1 robux, and the lead developers combined only got around $10 in robux. The team was infuriated, and when they exposed the owner to the public, he faded into obscurity with a lousy attempt of an "apology video" and running off with thousands of USD worth of robux. In his absence he started making impulsive purchases and shutting off communication with everyone. We all knew that he was already young, but his immature actions take the cake.
@@shiahshishis The project was called Critical Expedition and it was a reboot of the old game Critical Adventure by EpicCritical. And for reference, the big names I mentioned was when we surpassed Rogue Lineage in active players. Since the fallout of the game, Critical Expedition has been dormant and the devs have all scattered to go work on their own versions of the game or do their own stuff.
@@Qoride Hollly SHIT Yeah I use to play it! I started seeing it less and less and thought the public might’ve been board by all the grinding and repetitiveness. Never knew this was the reason when it went quiet.
As an adult developer on Roblox, I'd like to add that there needs to be proper rules in place with how adults interact with younger people on roblox. I was in a group for adult players on roblox and it was a closeknit, but short lived community. The amount of times where I reported something (usually where players were in games that were for ERP, or encouraged inappropriate behaviour) , and it being shrugged off as 'innocent memeing' or such was heartbreaking.
@@Bockanator The group and its discord server was fortunately very regulated by its owner, you needed to show your ID and picture with timestamp etc, but by the time the group closed down there were supposedly over 1000 verified people, which I find hard to believe.
"We take such and such very seriously" is often a sign a company doesn't care much, but wants to appear as they do. Actions speak louder than cookie cutter canned responses.
This comment is so dumb Lol, the guy who made the video doesn't even know what hes' talking about. 1. Roblox isn't responsible for what happens outside of their platform. 2. You can't stop scammers or black markets. 3. Buying limited items isn't gambling cause you're not allowed to convert the robux you earn from trading into cash. Gambling is actually banned on Roblox.
@@justinwayne445 1. This is a copout. 2. You can stop them by actively banning those using them. 3. There is a source in the video that made a lot of money trading limited items, which is essentially gambling. Roblox knows about the black markets, and does nothing to shut them down.
@@xeridea 1. What if I told you that you need to take responsibility for dying african children. That's about the same legal responsibility Roblox has for what a girl hears on Discord as far as attorneys are concerned. 2. You can't stop scammers or black markets, you ban an account they will make another one with a new IP, you remove a black market site another will emerge. Governments in real life can't stop scammers or black markets, they can only try to crack down on them which is exactly what Roblox has been doing. 3. Roblox does not allow you to convert the robux you earned from trading into cash and you need to realize this is simply purchasing a virtual product and being able to trade it. Just because there is a price chart does not mean its gambling. Gambling is banned on Roblox.
@@xeridea 1. Not really, nothing they can do about what happens on discord. 2. Roblox does ban people who are found to be engaging in off site behaviour but only if they have evidence (or if you simply traded with another person who used this site your account is deleted aswell just to be safe) 3. Roblox has taken these sites down in the past but some of these sites run on Russian/Chinese server’s so it’s harder to take them down.
As someone who has been playing on the roblox platform since 2009 I can confirm that literally all of this is true. It’s such a shame to see Roblox devolve to something this scummy.
I’ve got to ask….why do you continue to support this terrible company? The easiest way you can show Roblox that they’ve screwed up is to dump the game entirely, alongside showing solidarity with all of the people who have been abused on the platform.
@@spencercarruth9706 older players quitting does next to nothing. there are millions of kids who don't care or don't know about this situation, so it would barely put a dent in their numbers
I've been on the platform since Apr 2010, and all of this is true. They will not do anything about all of the problems that happen within roblox. Roblox has so many dark sides that it's impossible to cover up at this point.
Same bro not 2009 But early early 2000's I played around 2010-2012 when I actually made my account, it used to give everyone FREE money and now its just went from a decent website with fun communities to just ew in every aspect.
Finally, after six years, someone big enough hold them accountable. Thank you for your videos on them, they are disgusting. I've played roblox for literally 10 years now and I've seen the site go from innocent fun and an awesome community of creativity to seriously caring zero about their users and developers, and the only concern being money. They say they have tech support, they don't. It's one guy on a computer copy and pasting messages, and because you don't have help that benefits them, because if someone loses their account to a hacker thats GOOD for roblox, because you'll just make a new account and buy more robux from them.
exactly. I played it for 10 years too. (which I’m just realizing, it’s insane 2012 was ten years ago.) I remember it being so wholesome 90% of the time
Omg remember Tix?? All those awesome fun games and memories... it was totally creative back then... My favorite game on there was called Call of Robloxia 5 lol. The Roblox today is so careless about anything unless it involves money, it's sick and sad. I miss the old Roblox deeply.
@@yeralmuzika i'm a 2018 roblox player, i looked at the old gameplay of roblox, it looked really fun and cartoony with random games and shooters, now we have a bland, modernized ui with games that aren't even fun in the recommended games
bro facts ive played since 2009 and the game has gone downhill HARD its about taking money from parents now, they swapped their marketing from tweens/teens to 6-10 year olds and just focusing on money
@bowen voowy i mean atleast they actually unlocked your account unlike many others who had the same thing happening to them but not getting unbanned for it
@@TweezersUnlimited you obviously dont know what your talking about, 'roblox developer' I doubt you're a developer, instead foy'ure probably some 11 year old person who can make a simple model and call himself a dev. Cause lots of devs here are backing up this video
Children this young don't have the emotional maturity or intellectual independence to actually be able to handle these situations and it's not fair that they're being put through things like this at such a young age. Yes, the adult world is full of exploitation but there's no reason they should be exposed to that exploitation first-hand at such a young age.
If little kids in China can make the clothes you’re probably wearing right now, then pampered Western children can handle getting some of their profits from their Roblox games taken away in exchange for all the dev tools, server hosting, and outreach Roblox provides.
@@zysifion2873 Of course the “people in this country are having sad lives” argument. It is bad either way! It does not matter if some fucking people across the world are facing a worse scenario!
I love how this comment is telling people that no child should be exposed to exploitation when exploitation can be done to anyone, no matter age, race, sexuality, how many hexagons they like to have in their underground safe If you have the audacity to exploit people for money in the first place, then what's so bad about a child?
@@PumpyGTou comment is the same as saying if drugs and alcohols can already be consumed by adult, what so bad about children doing the same. See how dumb your comment is?
The thing I’m confused about is this: how is this not considered child labor and affected by child labor laws? If part of their scheme is that you can make money doing something, that is labor, and therefor should be illegal, yes?
It should be! However, developers dont officially make "money" they make robux. (which they can then turn into money) Roblox has been able to get by with that distinction unfortunately. Also, everything on the internet is much more unregulated than you might imagine. copyright laws can strike pretty hard but unfortunately many law makers are not well-versed in the internet. whether that be from age or the sheer complexity of the issues it presents, laws are currently far behind the ever-evolving challenges the internet provides. We, regardless of country, all need to play catching up in the upcoming years in regards to internet safety.
Yes (mostly) but also no. Unfortunately, nothing is ever as simple as it seems. We don't consider it child labor when a kid runs a lemonade stand or car wash or mows lawns in the neighborhood. I'm sure the EULA has all kinds of language to excuse Roblox from any liability. But EULA's aren't bulletproof. Roblox will probably find themselves getting grilled by Congress at some point... but sadly Congress is toothless, so probably nothing will happen.
it's the pachinko loophole: They aren't dealing with "money" (even though roblox/pachinko balls can directly be translated to money value) so it does not evoke any labor/gambling laws respectively
@General Di Ravello There's nothing wrong with getting political sometimes, and don't let anyone tell you there is. That said, knowing about the modern world isn't the problem. They know plenty, they just don't give a shit because the status quo benefits them. That's exactly why we need people who aren't afraid to get political and create some change. For example, you could start a petition and distribute it all around the community. Form a committee to help draft it. Maybe even distribute fliers IRL, drop them in mailboxes, etc. It might not fix Roblox overnight, but it would send a strong signal to them if tons of their users signed something like that. If it makes enough noise to hurt their stock price, then you'll have their attention.
"Jack's learning Unity now" just made me laugh. Because that's what's going to end up happening if Roblox doesn't clean up their act. Every developer worth the time and money is going to wise up to their antics, and go make an actual game they can make money on with an actual game engine. I'm pretty sure you'd get better results reporting this stuff to the owners of the trademarks being used; I highly doubt Nintendo would like their property being used to make money off of little kids.
The thing is Roblox provides a very tempting resource: the "community". Really, I just mean the user base, of course. It's a lot easier to get people to try your game when it's part of a larger "metaverse" of games, as opposed to some random steam early access indie page. I like a lot of things about Roblox, but definitely not a big fan of how certain other things have been going lately, especially with "Luobu" and kneeling to the CCP's list of no-no's for a slice of that untapped oil field of gamer cash.
Please don't stay quiet if more information or issues come your way as a result of making Roblox videos. I feel the work you've done here in making these facts accessible to so many of your subscribers, as well as others who stumble across these videos is invaluable. While you may not want to make more Roblox videos, please don't give up. I hope your efforts in exposing these terrible practices give victims of these practices the courage to speak out. Thank you for making these and not backing down.
They also tried to take down a livestream leak [claimed by video leaker] from roblox talking about how they do not care about their community and tried to scam people their money by buying headless in 2014
The thing with Sarah is vile and I am so sorry that she's had to deal with it. I hope she's doing okay. Doc's apology literally sounds like a 2 year old who's being forced to comply with a kid on the playground or else he gets grounded. There is no way it wasn't scripted. Why was no legal action taken...for literally anything in this video?? It's so concerning.
I don't think child labour / protection laws exist in the US for online market places like this. It seems Roblox's greatest innovation is reinventing child exploitation in a form policy makers and regulators are unable to recognise.
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2 exceptional videos that report clear problems that we face with non-regulated platforms. Have you directed these videos and/ or the research you've done with European Union Agency For Fundamental Rights or U. S. Department of Health & Human Services?
I have no interest in roblox however, it is honestly absurd that how out of touch this shite, And thus this particularly gruesome lie.
Thank for another quality content
Great video! I would also like to add that it's really really easy to hack into Roblox's accounts and you can find HUGE lists of hacked Roblox accounts on the internet, now imagine having a credit card attached into a hacked profile
@people make games
have u heard of the critical situation
you should interview ruben sim, as of this moment he is being sued by roblox for $1.8M. He has a youtube you should check it out and talk with him
first rule of investigative journalism: if someone tries to stop you asking questions, you're on the right track
KEEP SPITTING
@@TweezersUnlimited L
@@TweezersUnlimited shill
@@TweezersUnlimited Damn, can I get one of those sweet corporate shill checks too? I can blindly kiss ass with the best of them too.
@@TweezersUnlimited what do you know about investigative journalism you're 11
it is sad to see roblox take this route instead of accepting the criticism to improve their platform
Yep
Yea
the reality is people don't take criticism well even if the criticism helps them.
John roblox, john halo's younger brother
@@truffleshuffle009 But they're an entire corporation.
Roblox: Gets asked genuine questions with concern toward the minors using their platform.
Also roblox: “we aren’t answering your questions because they’re mean”
fr they were like "ur mean,,,, )): dont wanna be friends anymore" and tacked up a list that never actually answered anything
I'm not defending Roblox here, but it's very naive to think they'd answer direct, incriminating questions like these right of the bat. It's even more naive to think they don't know that all of this is going on and are not obvious in their attempts to swipe the whole thing under the rug. This is pure gaslighting.
I woudn't be surprised if Roblox management consists of 8 years old kids only.
@@ivailok3376 we know
@@polskiobywatel553 most kids are sociopath's, so you are closer to the truth then you think
"Jack's learning Unity now." Oof. Poor guy. Hit twice.
Ahaha true
Sheesh 😅
LOL with recent light.. yea
oh man...
Well, hopefully he can switch to unreal or some other engine
When a company wants you to delete a video about them, you know you've been exploring the right questions.
Journalism is printing what someone else does not want published; everything else is public relations - George Orwell
@@Crusader1089 I know its cliche to say "George Orwell was right", but in this case its necessary, and its very concerning.
Preach!
But why male models?
The Hungarian Government is the same. It's constantly criticizing and attacking independent press, while censoring whatever it can. It censors media of LGBT rights, abortion rights, ethnic rights, women's rights (domestic abuse). It recently branded a movie about an adult woman coming out to her family as lesbian as she wanted to invite them to her wedding as "unfit for public consumption" (Jenny's Wedding).
Love how roblox has an an overcensoring chat to 'protect' children while they're exploiting children themselves
"stalker" is censored 💀
@@deathstalker8851 and I can't say town
When I could say arson
its a facade to trick parents at this point tbh
@@killjoyyzz exactly, its to create «safe environment»
it's called plausible deniability
I love how People Makes Games doubles down instead of buckling when they are pressured by the groups they are investigating. Same with the Athene video, truly fantastic journalism.
This is what gaming journalism should be. I don’t care about the 900th article about a new Mario coming out, Nintendo already told me.
They are what I wish no clip was. No clip makes videos documenting game’s creators without criticism.
@@Daftanemone They're different genres. This is more like reporting, while noclip documentaries are just that: documentaries. It's a common fallacy to think of documentaries as objective truth, while the main goal is most often entertainment (or edutainment). And at that they're very good imo
Hear, hear
@@Selawen Noclip has covered several controversial creators without touching on the controversy in any meaningful depth, they aren't 'entertainment' they are propaganda.
Update: Doc has plead guilty to all federal child predatory charges and is facing 20 years in prison
Should be life.
good
did he make a video? pls link it
@@qibli7812 No, it's a court case
Thats good to hear
"no, we do not encourage child labor or grooming - you're wrong"
"how?"
*Seen at 9:02 AM*
How did you put the time without making it a blue timestamp
*9:02*
@@uuo9151 no that was before the comment was edited to bold and it still wouldn't have worked
*9:02*
9:02 AM
@@solarwolf678 You put AM or PM after it.
0:01 am
0:01 pm
Valve, as a privately owned company, has received immense backlash for the community markets in TF2 and CSGO encouraging gambling. TF2 and CSGO being games rated for and marketed towards adults exclusively. Meanwhile Roblox has an entire laissez-faire economy run by children and is also traded publicly on the NYSE.
I traded in the TF2 Community, it wasnt too bad, I left at around 2020, I maybe made 10k USD, but I lost a lot due to the vast scams and unfortunate mistakes, but overall ive learned these E-Markets(within games) get hellbent on extorting you for your money, It was a very sour taste left in my mouth after playing that game since 2012. RIPtf2
Oh god I think I have hats worth more money than my car in tf2
In belgium we have a law about (random) lootboxes. They have to show the content before we buy them. I play a lot of dota 2 and i already know which item i'll receive from a collection before i buy it. Which is cool, but it also goes to show how far Valve and other companies have to go to abide the law. While this madness in roblox goes on. Damn i'm glad i never invested time into this game
the only update that tf2 gets are cosmetics that are sometimes literally stolen or reskinned
that’s why they let it happen, it allows rich guys and politicians yet another way to play number games on the stock market
a message to all children: If a company or school offers to sell your product, game, or idea that YOU created. Don't do it, wait until your an adult to fully expand that idea and then decide what you want to do with that.
Bro it's actually heartbreaking that these big corps take advantage of these young kids :(
The best way to understand why is to understand somebody's pov or a more common phrase being "Stepping in someone else's shoes" Imagine being a child trying to earn robux to convert into money to buy candy from the store or something but getting minimal pay...
They legit take a 30%cut-
BUT also imagine being a big corp with millions upon BILLIONS of accounts to check (Its impossible which is why they use auto bot thingys" though roblox has to do better if they want their company to stand...
Hell they got sued for 200 mil from music in September and another 200 mil now
I still play roblox for the nostalgia and for the fact that I would wish to meet new players
(Im a shy blob)
If you're gonna take away anything about this comment (which you won't)
remember that you gotta step into someones shoes
(Sorry for bullying your notifications I posted it here because your post reminded me of this)
Reminds me of how marvel bough the black spiderman concept from a teen for a few thousand and made millions (if not billions) with that idea on venom
One time a teacher at my school saw a drawing frm my sketchbook and asked to take a picture. I agreed but was shocked a few weeks later to see the drawing had been posted to their instagram account with a caption claiming they encouraged my creatvity and generally took credit for my art chops. Obviously there was no money involved but it was still really upsetting to me they had done this without my permission and taken credit for it.
The thing is though, most roblox games are rip offs of other games.
Update - As of August 2023 Doc has been arrested by the FBI and sentenced to 15 years in federal prison plus an additional 20 years of probation and to pay $10,000 in restitution. SEO was taken down after Sega demanded it's removal from Roblox for copyright infringement.
I dig a bit to see the details. Seemed like a harsh sentence for what amounted to ‘sexting’, compared to what actual rapists get. But no, there was a whole lot more he did after ‘Sarah’ that was worse, much worse. That ‘apology’ letter was just the usual lame cya. He didn’t change, he just upped the ante on his methods. Thankfully his victim was rescued but not before being kept captive for days. He’s a real sick dude. Sarah (not the kidnap victim) was extremely lucky to get away from him with ‘only’ his creepy text chats to scar her.
@@mkalebornwhat an insane development
he should’ve been put in solitary confinement for the rest of his life. i’m absolutely disgusted at how ineffective the prison system is at punishing criminals.
@@sylv512 I have a Couple Friends that did Time.... They Hate and I mean HATE Child Predators and they treat them as they Should be Treated.
So putting Doc in Solitary Confinement would be make Docs life Very Easy if you catch my drift.
@@mkaleborn he is still a bloody child predator.
hey kids, remember that when someone says “i will have to live with this” as an apology instead of acknowledging the damage they have caused to others, that’s a 🚩
Red triangle on a stick
Are you talking about Roblox or Scott Morrison?
@@daneilgame123 😐
@@ghazghkullthraka9714 dakka?
@@daneilgame123 red flag
I love how the article talks about how Steam charges $100 for indie developers to out their game on their website. Like yeah, that's how businesses work. They also have a licence fee for using Source engine for games you're planning on selling. The difference being that is that you need to be an 18+ year old person to agree to their terms, and you actually get the majority cut of sales. As opposed to Roblox which takes most of the cut from actual children.
Yeah, Steam takes 30% of actual revenue instead of the majority of it
Actually no, atleast in poland you don't need to be 18 to sign that document, you need to have a tax identifcation number and a bank account though, but you can get those under 18.
Also steam provides decent networking in that price, acces to events such as steam next fest which are quite helpfully for a small indie dev, i think the 100 usd is a pretty decent price
Source: i am 16 and have a game on steam in my name
Also Steam gives the $100 back to the developer once the game reaches $1000 in revenue
@@noeldev In the majorty of countries you need to be 18.
How much is server hosting though? And moderation, and actually getting your game noticed by players. There's a lot of good that roblox does that just isn't mentioned anywherr
Jack leaving Roblox to learn Unity is probably one of the best decisions he's ever made
@JAB00Z shut the up
@JAB00Z found the mindless drone.
@JAB00Z is this sarcasm?
@@wildtamer2033 No he's a troll
@JAB00Z did you even watch it? roblox might not do this on purpose, but they arent innocent
I really hope that this is NOT the last video you do on this. No matter how depressing, the world NEEDS to know what is being done to children, we need to get back on track as a society and stop the never-ending pursuit of profits
but not by attacking companies as if they created this society of unsupervised kids with strangers having access to them.
roblox already censors harder than the average police state like britain, cant expect anything more.
"we need to get back on track" has the same weight as "back in the good old days when everything was perfect"
@@hereniho in the USSR.
Roblox: “Be anything you can imagine!”
Reality: Be anything that you can afford
ratio
@@chaouz twitter be like
ratio + you put randomass copied comment for fame + didn't ask + didn't care + bully: scholarship edition better
capitalism in a nutshell
Me: *Only plays the “experiences”* 😎
How the F did a company like Valve almost get shafted for the whole skin gambling thing, but Roblox, a company focused on Kid friendly content, can enable this without any kind of investigation???
Cause kids are easy to manipulate and don't play Counterstrike
Because it’s just trading and buying and selling, if fortnite added trading would it be gambling? Is team fortress 2 already gambling?
@@M3RK_Crash theres literally lootboxes. It isnt just trading.
ikr
@@hmad898 Gambling for an item is the name of the game i dont see any mal in that lol😂 people are too soft now a days
It's really sad how companies like this can still get away with everything, just because they're really big and difficult to take down
my super super happy face which i bought for around 50 bucks a couple of years ago skyrocketed and is now valued at around $1000 was stolen and when i contacted roblox they just said they can't do anything about it, i don't really care about the money but it has a personal value and they just brushed it off :/
yes, I guess the best thing we can do is to stop playing roblox...
Damn, I’m early to see your comment for once.
When they do this too much to too many players they lose their player base and fade into obscurity.
@Elias Rivera at least you’re aware of their wrong doings
Even a year later, this video still barely scratches the surface. If PMG made a video about everything wrong with Roblox, we'll be here for the next decade.
what else is there down the roblox rabbit hole?
@@theneutralguy2317Surprisingly, *a lot*
@@ConstantBit9 can you name a few?
@@theneutralguy2317 Over 4 months late but it'd just be easier to say what isn't wrong with Roblox. A good start to the rabbit hole is the RUclipsr Ruben Sim, his videos on his experiences with the company is a solid starting point to the thing.
@@dragonace119Interesting how you can't provide a single example.
Jesus Christ man, props to you for shining a light. This is the Journalism we need. Don’t stop ever. The world needs people like you more than ever.
Theres a yt channel called rubensim. Sometimes he knows how to troll and joking.. but in the other side. He was disagree with roblox and go against it. He was being sued by roblox though.
@@danimationd8886 he literally went out of his way to ruin RDC .
@@nighttimeblitz2401 Hello, RubenSim̶p̶ subscriber here.
Just wanted to say he did not directly "went out of his way to ruin RDC."
_What he did was make a "terrorist bomb threat" joke on old Roblox user JuliusCole, who in the past had made a video where he states he wants all of Roblox HQ to die and shows a picture of (an old in-game model of) Roblox HQ and saying "they need to blow that shit up."_
_Unrelated to RubenSim, another user made an __-equally or more-__ edgy Tweet regarding the RDC, showing a photo of a Roblox t-shirt and a gun claiming "don't go to RDC"...or some shit like that. You get it, it's a school shooter joke._
_Threats like that normally wouldn't be taken lightly, so that gave grounds for Roblox to sue. Rather than going after the latter, they targeted RubenSim for threats. The second Twitter user claimed responsibility and says they're not involved with the RUclipsr._
Not trying to directly defend RubenSim atm (but I'm willing to argue it if bothered to), but just saying I don't think he actually wanted or intended RDC to be cancelled.
@@PocketRowlette your mom are you bothered yet?
Dont say "We need more people like him" Be like him instead.
"Jack's learning Unity now"
The best sentence in this entire video
I thought the same thing. Good on him, those are skills he can take with him. Unity is a fantastic engine to work with, from what I've heard.
@@DragonNexus Yeah until you want to make moving platforms. Oh the horrors
should learn UE4/5 tho too
hahahaha true
@@omegadomega and maybe, as a start, game maker studio
Fun fact: not long after this video was released, SEGA DMCA'd the game and the group and all the Devs were banned
let’s go
The owner got unbanned
Its funny lol When a Company who isnt really related with roblox is moderating roblox's website better than roblox himself
thank sega for that
Let's gooooooo
"Jack's learning Unity now." Poor guy can't catch a break.
people are making insane amounts of money with Unity, soo.. good one, I guess
atleast hes got some coding experience now.@@lemonesque1
I wonder what he's upto now. Hope the dude's alright.
whats going on with unity??
@@carterg3321 The whole greedy scumbag CEO thing happened. I haven't kept up beyond the CEO resigning (or getting sacked?) a while back, not sure as to the current state of Unity.
As always, whenever a company tries to silence someone the thing gets even more attention
or they stay under the radar and it never gets noticed in the first place, happens with a sad amount of companies
If you think about it then you would notice the people staying silent because they dont Tell anyone everything
It's called The Streisand Effect
If a company tried to silence someone and they were successful, how would you know?
Keep telling yourself that.
Coming back to say another comment: several journalist/news sites have reported on this, but none are big enough to draw attention to it. This video is nearing 2M+ views, and that's a good thing. The more awareness brought to the company's corruption the better. What I fear is Roblox targeting the channel or video with a strike or even a lawsuit at worst. But if they do, I feel like it will only prove they want to censor people under the false claims of defamation or lies.
Their hands are tied with Ruben sim so this video should be ok for a bit
@@quietstew843 Yeah, I feel bad for Ruben. He's got to pay that much money..
ITS A BAD THING
@@nyenye-blank not yet. Think the trial is still on going since I made a vid on it. Unless the case already ended?
@@beekid113 by "it's a good thing," they meant the fact that this video is spreading awareness to millions of people
“This isn’t PR, this is gaslighting” what a quote man thank you People Make Games for the video hope you guys keep exposing evil practices like this
you sir, are funny, because journalism only does one thing and its all negative news
@@yes-kd1qf How do you think ROBLOX should fix these issues?
If you would just research for yourself and not follow some random channel..
@@mariustan9275 i think the only things need fixing are moderation and dev ex.
@@SwitchedDreams but this video is a compilation of research and allegations yes?
I really love the aspect of giving the youth a voice! It's really nice to see youth actually being represented and showing the true dangers and true experiences that these youth have to endure!
Dear Roblox Corp:
Children can't sign NDA's legally.
-Sincerely, the rest of us.
🙌
It's even better: Illegal NDAs are non-enforceable.
donald with gmod face
I wish RUclips had a system like Steam Points so that I can award you
how do you have 1.1k likes but only 5 replies (including me)? buying likes much?
This sounds illegal on almost every level, hope they get investigated in depth.
Theoretically it is illegal.
@@generalzucc462 its kinda child labor i think?
Can't wait for the Roblox court hearing.
its not illegal, its just very immoral. as long as the child labour and harassment doesn't happen through Roblox's platform and all the deals are made in shady board-room type 3rd party chats the roblox corporation can't and won't be held responsible for what happens. It's like the Rittenhouse case, obviously we're seeing a violation and a situation that shouldn't occur yet everything awful that happens if perfectly defensible in court which is all that matters in terms of corporate accountability.
@@elfpi55-bigB0O85 What does this even have to remotely do with the clear cut case of self-defense in the Rittenhouse case?
PLEASE dont let up on Roblox, its obviously depressing but extremely vital. Investigative journalism like this (and people coming forward) is the *only* way anything ever gets changed. Fight them on the gaslighting, or maybe talk to legal professionals to clarify just how illegal this is. *LegalEagle could teamup on this.*
Everybody gangsta until LegalEagle shows up
Or just dont use it.... First time i heard of Roblox.
@@PatchworxStudios Easier said than done, there's a shit ton of kids who already play it and it's impossible to stop them from doing it.
@@dickurkel6910 And its their problem... If someone wants to be in such an environment let them. You only can stop yourself to contribute and maybe safe your friends and family. Besides ALL Platforms had those issues back in the days but we gladly accepted or left.
@@PatchworxStudios All platforms had these issues? Out of curiosity, do you have examples? I don't remember anything coming close to what Roblox has.
Thanks for the hard work!
As a minor, when I was around 12 to 13 I took part in a team of amateur developers. I joined a game on the roblox platform where people could advertise their games, groups, virtual clothing, etc. I found someone, probably within a few years of my age who wanted to make a game.
I offered my services as an animator and 3d modeler, and they invited me to their discord. I and one other random child worked under a minor with no experience in this whatsoever.
I had some experience with 3d modeling, and while it wasn't professional quality it was decent. I did this as a hobby and for fun, not anything serious. I did all of the modeling/animating on roblox studio.
Basically, I and this other person, a scripter, would work on the game based on what the actual owner of the game told us to do, with the promise of a fraction of the revenue the game generated.
A lot of mistakes on my part. I did not know anything about the background of the person who I was working under, he did not give me a solid percentage, and he was very loose when telling us what to do.
After doing a lot of work on the game, it was almost ready to be released. I was excited because I had spent a lot of time working on it after school. The person I was working under, with no notice, banned me and the other person from the discord, blocked us on roblox, removed our permissions from the game and posted it, after removing the credits to us. We had made little statues of ourselves labeled scripter and modeler, and he deleted them. The game was a flop anyways, but I was upset.
Edit: I don't recall the exact name but it was like clicking legends, tapping simulator, or something like that.
What a thoughtful and nice idea to make statues of yourselves in the game and how cruel someone take everything away from you without a second thought…
As you should be, you should be furious, your hard work and time went into that just for it to be stolen. It's basically art stealing, I'd never stop posting it everywhere if someone stole my art, it's like a farmer growing a fruit tree from a seed, taking care of it all the time, just to have someone steal all your fruits once they grow and killing the tree in the process. It's the same thing imo
@@NatalovesLilly it's a really cute thing I loved seeing in Roblox, a lot of the big games have them which I always thought I was cool, it's selfish af to remove them
qwq *cries
What was the game
Don't contact Roblox about the developer of that Sonic game. Contact SEGA/Nintendo, or whoever owns the Sonic copyright, and see them make Roblox kneel with a cease and desist letter. Lawsuits are what companies truly fear, especially lawsuits from other companies.
Roblox kneels down to the company until they turn a blind eye and roblox just keeps the new copyright infringing material up. Look at pokemon games on roblox and they are thriving, roblox takes one down every once in a blue moon, to be like "we don't support this" while they just want profit. If any company ever tries to take on roblox, keep an eye on them, and if you are nintendo, get on them because they are actively supporting copyright infringement when told to remove it
@@ERBEpic RUclips is full of let's plays, this are just as much copyright infringements.
I believe Microsoft bought the rights to Sonic IP
@@lucaspallone9552 I looked into it, Sega owns Sega. They were not bought by Microsoft nor Nintendo.
@@cherubin7th Nintendo only in the switch era started to agree with the mentality that lets plays increase sales for their games because of exposure. It’s still infringement, but it’s better for game sales, and so Nintendo doesn’t take them down. They could, they have, they likely won’t.
The same cannot be said for Roblox Pokémon games. It wouldn’t be a stretch to say that they disincentive buying the actual Pokémon games, because everything is in this one.
"One person who speaks the truth, can bring down tyranny." God's work this man is doing
TRUE
Roblox is starting to get to EA levels of bullshittery.
@@ajc0072 they exceeded EA long ago. The fact the whole platform is based on child labour that underpays all their employees is enough to make this basically one of the worst tech companies. The rest explained to this video just comes on top of this.
Look at blizzards sexual harassment and how it basically destroyed the company. Meanwhile Roblox just ignored all sexual harassment with under age people and says it's not their fault it happens under basically their employees. Except they pay their employees in fake cash to keep them working there.
@@The_oli4 roblox developers are volunteers, not employees, they choose to make the games for fun, some expect to make money, their real employees are paid real money.
Roblox has always been EA levels of bullshittery, it's just that the audience is generally younger, and therefore people don't really know what's going on. But, as the community grows older, the issues are being addressed and new problems are arising. Still, Roblox will never have to respond to any of this.
25:15 “Jack’s learning Unity now”
2023 time travelers: JACK NO
why??
@@carterg3321 Not too long ago Unity changed its terms of service and is very unfriendly to developers now
@@carterg3321Unity runtime fee, they wanted to start charging developers per install, even counting the same person installing it multiple times. Some devs estimated that Unity would charge them more than their games were actually earning, and they weren’t clear on how it would deal with piracy
If your openly flirting with a minor, and you knowingly are doing so, its a huge problem.
It is not just a problem, it is paedophilia, and you go to prison for doing it. (Or should at least if the laws are applied as written.)
And those texts shown alone go way beyond "flirting".
And taking NO for an answer is _always_ the way to go, regardless of age.
If i am interested in a women (yes, I am an old guy now) and she wants to play games by faking disinterest to make me "work for it", I write her off as not interested.
Yeah. That's the problem.
@@57thorns
Yeah, pedophilia is a problem. There’s no word to describe how big of a problem it is. I really just want to know if that girl is safe and she got help from her parents. Not her name, nothing like that just if she’s gotten help and she’s healing
@@57thorns Paedophilia is a problem, period.
A game developer literally just dmed my friend who’s a minor asking them to help him c**
The fact that Roblox allows links off their site onto Discord, RUclips, etc. yet still saying anything off their site is not their responsibility just flabbergasts me. They're literally providing the off site links.
they dont even moderate the content on the links making it easy for kids to be led to some really suspicious stuff through offsite links 💀
That’s fair tho. They can’t be blamed for anything offsite and if they don’t allow off site links, communities around these games wouldn’t grow as fast
@@Armera they can very much be blamed for offsite links
@@Armera they literally can add moderation to certain links if they can add moderation to chat LMAO
@@toniogarza1712 That would just be plain wrong, lets say I have a link to discord. Roblox cant moderate my discord, like at all…
This is absolutely predatory, Roblox needs to be held accountable. Unfortunately as you said, this might be next to impossible. Absolutely disgusting.
Yes
It’s really sad
To be fair, I strongly doubt boycotting ROBLOX and withdrawing all financial support for the platform will even help. I mean, try it if you want, but it will all be in vain.
Just goes to show how limited our options of taking down ROBLOX and sparking change is.
@@ConfirmedZer0 the best thing that could happen is some sort of legislation against this kind of predatory approach that roblox has taken, rather than boycotting roblox themselves which as you said won't be effective.
I'm urging all of you to not buy robux and boycott , if you dont buy from them again they will start losing money and they will feel it.
I watch my kid like a hawk, put a block on payments, and have detailed convos with them about issues involving abuse, explotation, predators, etc. Teaching how to navigate the world of the internet is part of our job.
props to sarah for coming forward. so upsetting how prevalent it is for literal CHILDREN to get abused online and needing to grow up so fast because of it. she sounds very well-spoken and i hope she is getting support.
W
Sarah is a good role model for people who have experienced what she had. Speak out and speak loud!
you cant abuse someone online
MY CHANNEL IS NOT RICKROLL :)
@@brownie3210 it is a rickroll
THIS is how you do journalism. Roblox is actually unbelievable.
Unfortunately a huge number of "games journalists", game devs, and players think that "journalism" amounts to PR for the video game industry.
Yes. A lot of developers use black market to sell robux .
Considering they're a multi-milkion dollar company that made its profits on the backs of children... this is entirely believable.
But they're publicly traded, so off to the markets! I've got hella stocks to short! TO THE MOOOOOOON
@@nigmane, and get banned because it's against the Roblox ToS, despite the video claiming completely falsely that they "turn a blind eye too it" because they'll get some sort of backlash?
@@bluelanterns2589 im a dev making 70k monthly, i have sold over 3m in robux and please tell me how i am still not banned
Depressingly, Sarah's story is just one of many. I wonder how many stories like her's go unheard.
Stories as important as these, about minors getting hurt. Gets silenced, while the future mainstream media is sexualizing kids and attempting to blur the lines to what is "acceptable". We fucked up, by bringing an age old online culture into our markets for the sake profit.
Statistically, it has to be the vast majority; if not, people would actually get caught regularly and the problem would start shrinking.
Ok so once I was on Roblox and this girl was asking “men” in royal high to help make babies. She asked me a trans male to help her I left the server and reported her.I haven’t seen her since. She asked the people to come to the hotel room and then she did emotes that looked inappropriate when put with the other ones like: face in the “inbetween the legs area”
True but you shouldn't be "12" on discord. due to TOS
@@Teairnx That isnt an excuse for sexual abuse. It can happen to any age.
"Jack's learning Unity now."
That didn't age well...
Ikr. Was about to come here to make that comment, lol. Timestamp for those curious is 25:15
Nothing ever ages well in this day and age of late-stage hypercapitalism, honey. And these bourgeoise elites have the audacity to feign ignorance while they double down on their IRL 4X game, now that the proletariats are waking up in younger and younger generations.
Capitalism is a disease, hypercapitalism, doubly so, and must be dismantled if we are to save our humanity, never mind our entire planet alone.
I need to follow Jack's next big decision. And then do the opposite of him.
Jack's learning godot now
How so?
As a Roblox Developer myself, I have to say, your allegations towards ROBLOX are pretty spot on. They have horrible moderation, banning developers for often no reason at all. Their Dev-Ex Rates are very poor, and scamming is very common among developers. Many of the people I have done commissions for are often very inexperienced and shady.
I absolutely agree.
Moderation > I recently had an ad taken down for "inappropriate content", despite not being inappropriate, they did not refund my Robux put into this ad.
Banning devs for no reason > I had that two years ago, they wouldn't tell me why I was banned for 3 days and only told me I was correctly banned.
Their Dev-Ex rates are poor > Yeah; from every $1000 people spend on my game, I get $700 in virtual currency which I can exchange for $245 (Minus $5 transaction fee makes $240)
Scamming is common among developers > Two of our guys took 2 million robux and ran off together, great, Roblox wouldn't do anything about it. Support is not helpful.
Many of the people are often very inexperienced and shady > As a scripter, I am constantly in charge of the UI because I can't find anyone who knows how to scale the UI correctly.
In general, I am also afraid to do anything on my main account, from chatting to placing ads et cetera. They could falsely moderate my account at any time -also the reason much groups have "group holder" accounts for instance.
Though Roblox has improved in the past two years, but still has some flaws.
I wish the best for the future though, as I am still a loyal Roblox developer making some extra cash on the side through this platform.
Yeah, but the only thing that is on roblox is their moderation, which can easily be fixed if you contact support. As for dev ex rates, roblox has made no profit for the past few years.
learn unity
@@v-l8162dude you think unity is better lmao
@@willyiam2169 this vidio is about how roblox is bad and if you made the same game on unity you would get more money
Amazing work
ayo how are you here???
noodle
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@@staco522 needle
Ah so you are still alive
“Jack’s learning unity now” wow that makes me feel so much better tbh. Imagine if all of these young devs devoted their time to the learning unity or unreal, a bit higher barrier to entry, but at the end of the day their not being exploited.
Exactly!
And with significantly larger potential to get paid what they are actually worth.
2 weeks ago I wanted to try out roblox development. Now I am skipping the "middle man" and going straight to unity. heck nah I am not going to be exploited by a child exploiting conglomerate thats bigger then Nintendo
That's what you'd hope for, right? For alot of the good developers to leave Roblox for a more flexible platform or engine? But other than the simplicity, Roblox's massive userbase is probably what keeps alot of the devs clinging to the site. Quick and easy players, the micro-transactions and all. I can't imagine how difficult it might be for an indie developer to get enough purchases without some magic luck the popular games and studios have...
I mean, large swathes of the game industry still aren't unionized, and people who end up working in it are often victims to very high turnover, workplace harassment, and terrible working conditions involving crunch, sleep deprivation, and borderline unlivable wages. But at least your boss won't be a 10-year-old if you work at Ubisoft or Activision-Blizzard lol
I love how absolutely every experiment we run in having truly unregulated free markets ends in disaster and dystopia.
and people always think that the other people are the problem, "nah you just need to not buy it"
What does this even mean
Steam doesn’t scam people but they’re still making tons of money
You just have to make the effort to not use Roblox templates
@@trinitrotoluene3Dsteam is definitely not an unregulated market. Especially the last few years.
That is a joke right? Like both the legal and illegal drug market are a nightmare.
@@SLDimarco You missunderstand. The original comment uses irony to highlight the flaw of a fundamental assumption in capitalism: that disregulation in markets is a good thing.
Spoilers: no it is not. Disregulation just means that the players willing to break the rules and cause demonstrable harm will not be punished. That's how you get companies selling literal cocaine in a bottle before the FDA was introduced to _regulate the market_ in regards to product quality.
That's also why you should be distrustful of the political right wing that pushes for disregulation in all and every market. It's the very thing that caused the absolute abhorrent failure of America's healthcare system, amongst many examples.
"Reports of abuse are taken very seriously."
Yeah, they were 8 years ago, when I got a warning for being better than other people at a game.
the moderation system is just a bot not the roblox team
@@sakurasetaria Thats why its so bad.
"oh, you managed to get a lot of in-game currency without paying robux? you must've been cheating"
*Banned for 2000 years*
Not suprised, you can get banned for 7 days for saying racist, gay and just innocently spamming
Guys we need a human-only moderation system
"Jack's learning Unity now" I honestly wish him the best of luck and hope he can look back on this mess some day and laugh
shoulda learned unreal 🥺
@@ripples1072 whats wrong with unity
It's great that he didn't give up on game development and is making something he will actually own.
@@ripples1072 unity is more versatile
he chose the right engine lets goo
When your defense of your account being banned for sexually harassing a 12 year old is that's not what you were even banned for, it becomes incredibly concerning what you were banned for.
Who?
@@PA-1000 doc
I had a stroke trying to understand this
@@SquidCena you must be illiterate then, third language and it makes plenty of sense
@@Joostmhw yup, 2nd langage and also clear as day.
So Roblox is using kids work for personal gain and all they provide is the basic premise and equipment. Along with providing minimal pay.
Like a sweatshop?
At least roblox’s sweatshop isn’t involuntary
@@ehtzbut it is still a sweatshop
I said it on the last video, I'll say it again. This is one of the only cases that I can think of where the line "oh won't somebody think of the children" is actually really appropriate, and not just a rhetorical fallacy. Parents and congresspeople *need* to get involved with this.
It's disgusting just how little action Roblox seems to take; they will preach that the platform is safe and a good one for kids when they don't actually care. Really wish it wouldn't be that way but with the direction they're going I don't think anyone will stop them.
yeah this ain't a moral panic or any of that bs. this is unregulated child labor. absolutely revolting shit.
It is true that parents and governments need to be involved, but like Quintin said,
"it took me months to unpick how Roblox operates...what hope does parents and politicians have of understanding what their kids are doing on Roblox or with who? Or the many and varied ways the Roblox corporation is profiting from them."
Even Roblox doesn't have a full enough understanding to explain to these officials, which is absurd.
@@com0001 Roblox simply does not want to take action. They are focused on profit maximization. So having MILLIONS of free workers kind of fit in their idea of profit maximization.
As someone who watches congressman stock portfolios I can tell you for certain that nothing will be done 😌
Finally there is a realistic and genuine source for a parental panic around gaming AND THEY AREN’T DOING IT.
Violence in video games is an easy to understand issue for parents, labor exploitation, black markets, and child gambling? Not so much
Wel that’s mostly because it’s not happening right in front of there faces. If it ain’t gta flashing hooker tits in front of their faces and parents just see it as block game then they’ll turn a blind eye to child exploitation
If the kids in my family want to play with blocks they get legos or cardboard boxes.
But look how cute the game is
@@dr.floridaman4805 How about duplo, or Playmobil, or Zoob, or Mega Blocks, or suicide blocks?
@MindTheGap there is a LOT gambling games in roblox, pet sim x, adopt me, all those "simulator" having a pet in the game
When a company refuses to directly answer questions, that’s an immediate red flag.
Yeah the sad truth is that today's games companies do that all the time the will refuse to talk unless ordered to
It's like when they asked Netflix's CEO if the company supported pedophillia and his reply was "We are neutral to all groups of people "
@@mr_nate8911 It’s just the optimal play given the current social climate. Apologies and excuses are just lightning rods for anger
Ewww furry
@@SquidCena my furry balls
growing up on roblox I knew a few people who were totally fine making inappropriate jokes even against my wishes. one of them was a little over a year older than me and another was an adult, I remember cutting ties with the adult a little bit before I got a discord, then later finding out that they sent people nsfw without consent and yet them still being in the discord server of the game they worked for.
there were a few others who crossed boundaries over the years but after a while I drifted off of roblox and then away from my roblox friends.
to be honest, roblox's marketing towards kids is part of the problem -- and the fact that they have a private message system built in is insane given it's marketed towards 10 year olds. If it was encouraged for all ages then more eyes would be everywhere like in minecraft and honestly if you're expecting a ton of 10 year olds on your platform I think maybe private messages should be discouraged.
Its a shame because there are some incredibly talented young developers in the community, and they’re being exploited pretty hardcore because of the lack of moderation and roblox’s loose safety protocols
Which also primes those young developers to expect this sort of treatment from real companies.
safety protocols? roblox has those?
The only moderation they have is obnoxious chat filtering. But all THIS shit is apparently okay by their standards!
@@AvalynTheAccursed tru, the "you" word got censored
Fucking trash servers
The video's so hard to watch, but only because it's such a well-researched piece of journalism on a company so aggressively unethical. Incredible stuff. Instant subscription from me.
This is just sad. Im not surprised at this moment and i have stood up multiple times only to be struck down. I got a team of white hat hackers to look into this. I must let these voices be heard
Same
I really love playing roblox but i am very mad at roblox for what they are doing. The roblox moderation is really bad. Like god damn abs went through roblox but the word “gay” is banned. I am so mad at them and i hope they make this a lot better.
@@hithere2471 exactly.
Ill give an example of what this is like. Tower defense simulator in roblox has a tower called the “freezer” like 2 years ago this was such a good tower with its ability but now it was just slammed into the ground and never brought up again. Its sad to see how a god of a tower became the most worthless tower in the game. Just like roblox! They were so good from the start with amazing moderation but now its just the worst moderation ever and that improvement of moderation was never brought up again.
It's honestly impressive that Roblox has somehow managed to take every negative thing about game development and combine them all into one nice little package. When I started making Flash games in the mid-2000s, I struggled to get noticed and never made enough AdSense money to cash out, though Google certainly made a few bucks off of me. So Roblox has that nonsense covered, but also rolls in terrible moderation, harmful practices, awful support, an so much more.
They're putting profit first, community be damned.
The unfortunate side effect of being a corporation is profits matter more than anything else, even the law and morality.
Bad moderation/support doesnt really relate to profit. Also whats the harmful practices?
Then they have devs in their team having very inapropriate blogs and they sued ruben for mostly exposing their failures as a corperation for children but they quieted him from the site now he can't join roblox anymore as they can't take any bad feedback towards their child targeted platform.
even NFTs
@@TheZorch , here is the thing, though, like the Death Stars, the evil actions of the Luciferian globalist elite also have a weakness and their weakness is, ironically enough, also just happening to be their biggest strengths, as well as the reasons for why they exist, and they are money and all of its forms, as well as all of its related ilk, like banks, stocks, bonds, fees, and taxes in all of their forms, and I will explain why that this is the reality of things. The harsh reality is that all of these things exist simply because various members of the Luciferian globalist elite not only think of these scams, but that they also think that it is a good idea to enforce these scams. However, like an email/telephone scam ring operation, once you know how they work, they are also easy to take down, and the reason for that is simple, and it is that these things only have value so as long as the Luciferian globalist elite give them value, which is why the email/telephone scam ring operations flourish, that, and they also have various organizations that make the scams be protected, which is why Nigeria, Russia, India, and other nations have a plethora of them happening, and why the entire world is controlled by the Luciferian globalist elite. Now if you think that what I said is not true, then I can easily name several examples of that being put into practice, namely, the Weimar Republic Deutsche mark of the 1920s, the Great Depression, the Japanese yen of the 1980s, the dot-com boom of the 1990s, the dot-com bubble burst of the early 2000s, the Great Recession of the 2000s to present, the Zimbabwean dollar of the 2000s, and numerous economic recessions and depressions worldwide over the years. The bottom line is this, when you simply remove the people from power that are doing these things, as well as the organizations that help them exist, then you fix the problem, and if the people that run Roblox think that they are any different, well, when they face massive class action lawsuits, not just from the USA, but worldwide, AND when the people do not back down, well, it will be R.I.P. Roblox and massive prison terms for its executives, that is, IF said executives are fortunate, and it could essentially be death by real life mobs if the people that are angry enough at those evildoers.
Thank you for the important work you are doing.
I genuinely wanna know how we stop corporations like this from continuing their dirty work. We literally cannot sue them cus it would be a slap on the wrists to them.
Welcome to the revolution, comrade. Best start sharpening your guillotine...
A foundational, fundamental shift in how our system functions is the only way what you're looking for is going to happen. The politicians whose job it is to put regulations in place to do something about this kind of stuff are either: stomping on the gas pedal to accelerate this kind of stuff because they think it's good actually; are too out of touch to even understand the issue (there are some in the House and the Senate who LITERALLY do not understand what email is); or have abandoned us to fend for ourselves in the face of the depredations of these corporations because they can fundraise off of material conditions perpetually worsening.
Nothing changes if nothing changes, and nothing has fundamentally changed in a long, long time.
Same!!
u just have to find out how to make them lose money (so they cant get out of court by paying it off)
@Hatsune Miku's Leek a few hundred means nothing when there's literally billions of accounts, most aren't active but from what I've seen there's over 3 billion accounts and around 50m daily users. With a lot of them being children logic doesn't work the same way cause a lot of them don't realize they're being taken advantage of when they are
the only way is to get other corporations to ''fight'' them by actually supporting these youtubers just like SEGA, it's the only way.
“What I said was very wrong and I apologize, but calling me out for what I said is blatant character assassination and you are wrong for it”
I hate these people with a passion.
That dude straight up sounds evil. He didn’t even actually apologize at all, not that he would’ve meant it anyways. Hope he falls into a woodchipper feet first.
The victim shouldn't even be on discord. It's 13+.
@@tootaashraf1 Adults shouldn't be talking like that to minors
@@tootaashraf1 It says 13+ on the side but there’s nothing stopping them from downloading it
@@nemo-x That is a pretty terrible attempt at a comparison, and no one said it wasn't a character assassination. It IS a character assassination, and it's entirely justified and deserved.
I appreciate you not being afraid to show anger towards this and not just be like "oh i guess they could do better".
I am not afraid
This is very heartening to see. As a now teenager who played Roblox when I was around six years old, I’m terrified for my younger sister who is obsessed with Roblox. When I was six years old, I played a role play game where I was manipulated into erping with a stranger. I had no idea what was happening and I was scared. But I knew that my parents would take the game away if I ever told them what happened to me on it, I’m certain other kids had similar experiences, and I sincerely hope this does not go unpunished. You’re doing very honorable work. Keep going!
I love how it says 'It's against our rules to tell people to go offsite' and then at the bottom of most popular games made by multiple people, it has a space to put social links to twitter, discord and youtube.
i think those only show up for people 13 or older
that isn't the problem, the problem is they do nothing about the problems offsite because they claim it's not their fault, when their own platform enables this because of their flawed currency.
The space to put social links is designed to show up for only kids ages 13 and older, when you actually *are* allowed to use those sites. It's not really beyond ROBLOX's control if you just sign up with an account aged 13+ if you're really 13>, unless if they add some sort of feature that verifies your age (e.g. posting a form of identity) but would probably lose out on profit.
It says you can’t link other sites besides the ones you listed
i was about to comment this it's like slapping themselves in the face
Well, I had intended to go to bed like 3 hours ago. Instead I ended up writing lengthy emails to my state representatives. This is frankly disgusting and I am actually floored that any of this is considered to be legally acceptable. Nothing short or predatory and exploitative. Can't believe that RUclipsrs can have their entire channels put at risk of deletion for advertising to children inappropriately, but Roblox can literally profit from extensive child labor abuse.
Thank You For Your Effort ! 🖤
Algorithm bump for more of this
Thank you for bringing attention to this! This needs to be looked at globally.
And that's why I love the States, a single person can stand up to a huge company and still have a chance to win a lawsuit. Where I'm from, the industry titans CEOs are ministers so they oversee the interest of their own companies rather than the people.
Kalen: Karen 2.0 🤣
"I'm *outraged* and will ruin my circadian rhythm so I can TALK TO THE REPRESENTATIVE!"
My heart goes out to Sarah. I received grooming in a similar environment at a similar age and it genuinely does leave a mark. I hope that she is able to find peace and knows that people believe her
Damn
As someone else who experienced similar things also i hope that both you and Sarah (and anyone else) is able to heal
I hope you're okay? This can lead very fast to anxiety and/or depression.
I hate this fucking world, why are people experiencing shit like this
What happened to her was tragic
The way "Jordan" got treated is so greedy and unrespectful. I hope you are doing way better, you didn't deserve that!
The fact that a developer spent 200k robuxs on clothes instead of withdrawing it into real money shows that in game currencies make you forget their actual value.
Especially when the exchange rate is very hard to find, and constantly changing.
I quit playing Roblox in 2012, when did they start allowing Robux to be converted back into real money?
@@CWINDOWSsystem32 only if you're a dev and got enough profit.
You know Casino Chips right?
@@TheShawna18 My point still stands.
From a friendly report to a full on investigation, you can feel their drive to report this to it's full extent in every part of the video. Massive and increidble work!
Lol
Yes roblox sucka
@@TweezersUnlimited mate what
So this is gathering a lot of views and I greatly appreciate that-- but please everyone, watch the first video. These are additional points to the main topic, which was established in the first episode.
+1
Why
@@benjaminyes6308 read the comment again.
Good shout. This was a fantastic bit of work but will have to check out the first one.
Oh damn I forgot about this account
watching this almost 3 years later and virtually nothing has changed. so disappointing.
I’d say it got worse. The state of UGC now and the avatars you can make lol… horrific
Grooming on this platform is not an uncommon thing, unfortunately. As someone who first joined the platform over a decade ago when I was 12, and who has made many virtual friends through it, almost every young girl I befriended through my time on the platform experienced something similar to Sarah, in one way or another.
Being a CSA survivor myself, this is why my kids aren't allowed on there.
@@katie7748 but most importantly, please make sure you’re someone that your kids feel safe to talk to about anything that could be making them feel unsafe. I wish I had that from my parents when I was going through similar situations.
The vast majority of players won't experience anything like it. The only ones that will are those that participate in Roblox communities outside Roblox, for example Discord, or shady places in general. If you're just playing the game and having fun you're 100% safe. Due to chat filter there is no way you could get groomed on the platform itself. So, let your kid have fun and make nice memories.
Ayy dont forget da condos
@@Ratmasssssfrom my experience in hunting these people down, they are very rare to find randomly and get banned in a day thanks to people like Moderation for Dummies
What sucks about this video is you're here talking about it as if it's some shocking thing, and to most people it is! All of this is shocking to hear. But me, as a veteran player since 2012, I watched through this whole video and just said "Yeah, I know." This rabbit hole goes so much deeper and even with two videos you've still barely scratched the surface. Child abuse and predation is commonplace on dev teams, I personally know multiple people who got outed as predators, and even more that were affected by predators.
Thank you for making this video. Let's hope more people learn about this and someone with enough power finally does something.
Definitely. I’ve been playing the game for a little more than half a decade and I wasn’t surprised by a single thing. It put in to perspective how many things i overlook just because I’m so used to it. Limits are essential to roblox and when he put it like that I realized how messed up it truly is.
I've been playing Roblox since 2010 & I think Roblox needs to do the complete opposite of what he proposed. Roblox needs to be a platform where people make up the content & community on it.
This will expose people to what the real world is like. I've been scammed, cheated, hacked, & bullied countless times. I learned how to protect myself online, spot scams, I would even call myself immune to bullying. This isn't just Roblox, this is EVERY game. I remember playing Minecraft factions, people were being racist in game chat, people would scam & cheat each other constantly. You would have to vet people to avoid getting "insided" where someone joins you to backstab you.
Gaming communities are toxic because *people are toxic*. Let children grow up in organic environments where they can have uncensored communications with other people. I find it funny that people in call of duty 3 times my age were bullying me at one point in time. Roblox needs to stop trying to be a walled garden & instead focus on creating a good platform for people to gather.
@@Zaptosis that's kind of the point of Factions though (minus the hacking)
I’ve learnt something now cause of this video now
@@Zaptosis Let's make the world better by making the world worse! Idea of the century right there.
Thank you for the work you're doing, this is absolutely insane, and sets such a shady precedent like you mention.
A predatory game, that is full of predators.
Karl Marx did that before he just apply it on roblox
yep
@@boxhead6177 No, its pretty rare to see them.
Excellent report!
Wouldn't Child Labor laws come into play here as well? Really need to throw the book at them but with how egregious the Gaming Industry is as a whole in using manipulation and scummy practices towards the younger generations.
Since roblox is an international game, the laws get kinda jumbled together. It would make things ‘hard’ to follow every country’s different child laws. Basically they’re using excuses to keep making profit
No it isn’t, they aren’t doing anything wrong? This is just giving roblox a bad look. It’s a game engine, they take a 30% cut on everything.
@@cleosvoyage Actually, most countries have agreements to follow/enforce other countrys' laws (eg copywrite and patent etc) because failing to have those would bring a halt to trade in the same way that sending any valuable tech or design to China is a guarantee to have the design ripped off unless you have very direct control over the factory it goes to. So many companies take a profit hit to avoid the risk of having something made in China.
They arent being forced to make games on roblox.
@@Kryptix they are encouraging dumb, vulnerable kids to make games
What you're doing here is very important and valuable. Please do not stop. Sometimes the the big thing we're meant to do in life isn't necessarily the one we signed up for. I've both followed PMG for a long time now and played Roblox since near it's inception. This rabbit hole is unfathomably deep with negligence, child abuse, exploitation, gambling, gaslighting and the works. Just a fraction of which you've already witnessed first hand. Out of Roblox's tens of millions of users there are millions of stories of inscrutable things, immoral things that have happened on this platform and have been allowed to happen for far too long.
Using your platform as a launching point for this sort of journalism targeting this sort of company is truly something to commend. I cannot stress enough how meaningful it is that you've used your own personal voice and outreach to signal boost this issue, putting at risk your own livelihood and public image in a very much David and Goliath style situation. But I know you see with open eyes that if you, a decently successful RUclips platform is David in the eyes of Roblox as Goliath, then the children are but mere ants beneath Roblox's feet.
So many are voiceless, faceless, and unable to communicate not just trivial frustrations but true and significant issues that will go on to affect so many of them deeply and for the rest of their lives. If this must be your last video on Roblox, so be it. But please pass on the torch, please setup the foundations for the work you've done here to server as a larger platform for kids everywhere to tell their stories or get out just how bad and how deep the Roblox problem persists.
Thank you so much for what you've done.
gambling?? bro you're exaggerating this like roblox has committed several war crimes in wwii
@@hemalathapajaniraja1990 oh I've experienced it.
you have no idea how many things happen behind Roblox's child friendly image.
@@yuyuqk a rando teenager with an anime pfp has experience by being involved in roblox's malpractices including gambling? can you please explain why i find that hard to believe? not saying that roblox isnt a greedy multibillion corporation but
@@hemalathapajaniraja1990 Have you watched the video, sir? If not, please watch it before commenting.
But even more importantly, use your own head. This is a platform that officially allows kids to:
- Deposit real money.
- Withdraw real money.
- Trade that money however they want and play whatever games they want with it.
Given this, how on earth would you not expect gambling to be common? It would still be happening even if the company were actively doing their best to stop it, but there's a whole officially endorsed gambling scene with the stock market thing.
@@antonliakhovitch8306 that money system has been implemented in so many games. criticizing roblox for it seems like nitpicking.
I can see Quinns visibly ageing as he learns how mind-bogglingly bad this whole Roblox ecosystem is.
his brain got so damaged that face probably would get 10 wrinkles
*roblox moment*
lmao he probably shortened his life span by a year researching roblox
It is very depressing to see that the very platform that we support as a community just transforms into money making capitalism corporation.
Too much MasterChef. Sadge.
one time i bought a hat with robux, and it costed about 5000 robux, and then roblox content deleted the item and didnt refund me, and i appealed this and roblox told me it was my fault because i had purchased the item in the first place.
"Jack is learning UNITY now" had me cracking up. But seriously this is a really good video on safe guarding your users.
the delivery was *chef's kiss*
He'll be dissapointed to learn that other than the revenue percentage, the rest of the problems are here not matter what you programm you choose.
Honestly, with his lua skills he could work for some big gmod servers, or the darker path he could make luas for csgo cheats
@@NKillBruh yeah you can make good money from suckers that download your obvious R.A.T disguised as a cheat program (e.g. minecraft hacked clients)
@@nutsackvlogz8892 no not minecraft clients, csgo lua addons, mostly for neverlose, nixware and onetap
“Jack’s learning unity now” is probably the most valuable line
the most hopeful one at any rate
Absolutely, I hope he learns Unreal too
Came here to say this too, such a hilariously simple summary of working with Roblox
How much do unity and unreal take as a percentage?
@@JJ-Streaming I don't think Unity nor Unreal Engine take any percentage of your income, it's the game store that you're uploading to that takes said percentage (example: Steam takes 30% every time someone buys your game, however the Epic Games Store takes 12%.)
However, it should be stated that if you made your game on Unity and said game makes more than 100,000 USD, you'll have to get a Unity Pro license. (I'm not sure about the numbers though.)
I've had an experience with an unregulated developer once however my friends on the team had it far worse than I did. I was a graphic designer and a friend of mine was starting a new project attempting to revive another game that died off awhile ago. The idea piqued my interest and it felt a bit nostalgic so I offered to help design the game's art. My other friends hopped on board and before I knew it, I've already designed the game's thumbnail, icon, and graphics for each reoccurring update. The game, despite all odds, was somewhat of a hit. It had influence on a few other platforms and we even started getting on the same level as big names. And then that's when the fame started getting into the owner's head. When it was finally time for the creator to pay his developers, he skimped on them. I receiving nothing, a close friend who was an animator received 1 robux, and the lead developers combined only got around $10 in robux. The team was infuriated, and when they exposed the owner to the public, he faded into obscurity with a lousy attempt of an "apology video" and running off with thousands of USD worth of robux. In his absence he started making impulsive purchases and shutting off communication with everyone. We all knew that he was already young, but his immature actions take the cake.
What was the game you guys made called?
@@shiahshishis The project was called Critical Expedition and it was a reboot of the old game Critical Adventure by EpicCritical. And for reference, the big names I mentioned was when we surpassed Rogue Lineage in active players. Since the fallout of the game, Critical Expedition has been dormant and the devs have all scattered to go work on their own versions of the game or do their own stuff.
@@Qoride wow, I actually play Rogue Lineage
@@Qoride Hollly SHIT Yeah I use to play it! I started seeing it less and less and thought the public might’ve been board by all the grinding and repetitiveness. Never knew this was the reason when it went quiet.
Damn, the money really went to their head.
25:15 "Jack's learning Unity now."
Oh Jack you poor guy...
As an adult developer on Roblox, I'd like to add that there needs to be proper rules in place with how adults interact with younger people on roblox. I was in a group for adult players on roblox and it was a closeknit, but short lived community.
The amount of times where I reported something (usually where players were in games that were for ERP, or encouraged inappropriate behaviour) , and it being shrugged off as 'innocent memeing' or such was heartbreaking.
That's really horrifying, And the fact that there could be children in that group scares me even more
@@Bockanator The group and its discord server was fortunately very regulated by its owner, you needed to show your ID and picture with timestamp etc, but by the time the group closed down there were supposedly over 1000 verified people, which I find hard to believe.
"We take such and such very seriously" is often a sign a company doesn't care much, but wants to appear as they do. Actions speak louder than cookie cutter canned responses.
This comment is so dumb Lol, the guy who made the video doesn't even know what hes' talking about.
1. Roblox isn't responsible for what happens outside of their platform.
2. You can't stop scammers or black markets.
3. Buying limited items isn't gambling cause you're not allowed to convert the robux you earn from trading into cash. Gambling is actually banned on Roblox.
@@justinwayne445 1. This is a copout.
2. You can stop them by actively banning those using them.
3. There is a source in the video that made a lot of money trading limited items, which is essentially gambling. Roblox knows about the black markets, and does nothing to shut them down.
@@xeridea 1. What if I told you that you need to take responsibility for dying african children. That's about the same legal responsibility Roblox has for what a girl hears on Discord as far as attorneys are concerned.
2. You can't stop scammers or black markets, you ban an account they will make another one with a new IP, you remove a black market site another will emerge. Governments in real life can't stop scammers or black markets, they can only try to crack down on them which is exactly what Roblox has been doing.
3. Roblox does not allow you to convert the robux you earned from trading into cash and you need to realize this is simply purchasing a virtual product and being able to trade it. Just because there is a price chart does not mean its gambling. Gambling is banned on Roblox.
@@xeridea 1. Not really, nothing they can do about what happens on discord.
2. Roblox does ban people who are found to be engaging in off site behaviour but only if they have evidence (or if you simply traded with another person who used this site your account is deleted aswell just to be safe)
3. Roblox has taken these sites down in the past but some of these sites run on Russian/Chinese server’s so it’s harder to take them down.
@@justinwayne445 Gone already? hah, mediocre.
As someone who has been playing on the roblox platform since 2009 I can confirm that literally all of this is true. It’s such a shame to see Roblox devolve to something this scummy.
Hey, that what happens to platforms if they grow into a company 🥱
I’ve got to ask….why do you continue to support this terrible company? The easiest way you can show Roblox that they’ve screwed up is to dump the game entirely, alongside showing solidarity with all of the people who have been abused on the platform.
@@spencercarruth9706 older players quitting does next to nothing. there are millions of kids who don't care or don't know about this situation, so it would barely put a dent in their numbers
I've been on the platform since Apr 2010, and all of this is true. They will not do anything about all of the problems that happen within roblox. Roblox has so many dark sides that it's impossible to cover up at this point.
Same bro not 2009 But early early 2000's I played around 2010-2012 when I actually made my account, it used to give everyone FREE money and now its just went from a decent website with fun communities to just ew in every aspect.
This is beyond outrageous.
Thank you for the proper games journalism other sites won't touch.
Finally, after six years, someone big enough hold them accountable. Thank you for your videos on them, they are disgusting. I've played roblox for literally 10 years now and I've seen the site go from innocent fun and an awesome community of creativity to seriously caring zero about their users and developers, and the only concern being money. They say they have tech support, they don't. It's one guy on a computer copy and pasting messages, and because you don't have help that benefits them, because if someone loses their account to a hacker thats GOOD for roblox, because you'll just make a new account and buy more robux from them.
exactly. I played it for 10 years too. (which I’m just realizing, it’s insane 2012 was ten years ago.) I remember it being so wholesome 90% of the time
Omg remember Tix?? All those awesome fun games and memories... it was totally creative back then... My favorite game on there was called Call of Robloxia 5 lol. The Roblox today is so careless about anything unless it involves money, it's sick and sad. I miss the old Roblox deeply.
@@yeralmuzika i'm a 2018 roblox player, i looked at the old gameplay of roblox, it looked really fun and cartoony with random games and shooters, now we have a bland, modernized ui with games that aren't even fun in the recommended games
@JAB00Z Lol. Reveal the truth. Don't stop the hate. Reveal the corruption.
bro facts ive played since 2009 and the game has gone downhill HARD its about taking money from parents now, they swapped their marketing from tweens/teens to 6-10 year olds and just focusing on money
as a past roblox developer, this video is true and important. i hope the algorithm does its job and gets this video to as many people as possible
It does appear to be pushing it reasonably well, I've seen it show up on my recomended on at least two unrelated computer.
3.5 Million views as of December 27
@bowen voowy i mean atleast they actually unlocked your account unlike many others who had the same thing happening to them but not getting unbanned for it
I believe 3 Million views tells us the algorithm works
@@TweezersUnlimited you obviously dont know what your talking about, 'roblox developer' I doubt you're a developer, instead foy'ure probably some 11 year old person who can make a simple model and call himself a dev. Cause lots of devs here are backing up this video
Children this young don't have the emotional maturity or intellectual independence to actually be able to handle these situations and it's not fair that they're being put through things like this at such a young age. Yes, the adult world is full of exploitation but there's no reason they should be exposed to that exploitation first-hand at such a young age.
If little kids in China can make the clothes you’re probably wearing right now, then pampered Western children can handle getting some of their profits from their Roblox games taken away in exchange for all the dev tools, server hosting, and outreach Roblox provides.
@@zysifion2873 Of course the “people in this country are having sad lives” argument. It is bad either way! It does not matter if some fucking people across the world are facing a worse scenario!
I love how this comment is telling people that no child should be exposed to exploitation when exploitation can be done to anyone, no matter age, race, sexuality, how many hexagons they like to have in their underground safe
If you have the audacity to exploit people for money in the first place, then what's so bad about a child?
@@PumpyGT ok
@@PumpyGTou comment is the same as saying if drugs and alcohols can already be consumed by adult, what so bad about children doing the same.
See how dumb your comment is?
How is this legal? Im genuinely surprised they havnt been sued for this, its insane what they are doing
Simple when you have enough money laws stop applying to you. Welcome to the "free" market!
The thing I’m confused about is this: how is this not considered child labor and affected by child labor laws? If part of their scheme is that you can make money doing something, that is labor, and therefor should be illegal, yes?
It should be! However, developers dont officially make "money" they make robux. (which they can then turn into money) Roblox has been able to get by with that distinction unfortunately. Also, everything on the internet is much more unregulated than you might imagine. copyright laws can strike pretty hard but unfortunately many law makers are not well-versed in the internet. whether that be from age or the sheer complexity of the issues it presents, laws are currently far behind the ever-evolving challenges the internet provides. We, regardless of country, all need to play catching up in the upcoming years in regards to internet safety.
Yes (mostly) but also no. Unfortunately, nothing is ever as simple as it seems. We don't consider it child labor when a kid runs a lemonade stand or car wash or mows lawns in the neighborhood. I'm sure the EULA has all kinds of language to excuse Roblox from any liability. But EULA's aren't bulletproof. Roblox will probably find themselves getting grilled by Congress at some point... but sadly Congress is toothless, so probably nothing will happen.
it's the pachinko loophole: They aren't dealing with "money" (even though roblox/pachinko balls can directly be translated to money value) so it does not evoke any labor/gambling laws respectively
@General Di Ravello There's nothing wrong with getting political sometimes, and don't let anyone tell you there is.
That said, knowing about the modern world isn't the problem. They know plenty, they just don't give a shit because the status quo benefits them.
That's exactly why we need people who aren't afraid to get political and create some change.
For example, you could start a petition and distribute it all around the community. Form a committee to help draft it. Maybe even distribute fliers IRL, drop them in mailboxes, etc.
It might not fix Roblox overnight, but it would send a strong signal to them if tons of their users signed something like that. If it makes enough noise to hurt their stock price, then you'll have their attention.
Because people making games for roblox is the same as Modders creating mods
"Jack's learning Unity now" just made me laugh. Because that's what's going to end up happening if Roblox doesn't clean up their act. Every developer worth the time and money is going to wise up to their antics, and go make an actual game they can make money on with an actual game engine. I'm pretty sure you'd get better results reporting this stuff to the owners of the trademarks being used; I highly doubt Nintendo would like their property being used to make money off of little kids.
That's a good idea. Pit them against each other lol. Hopefully Nintendo wins.
The thing is Roblox provides a very tempting resource: the "community". Really, I just mean the user base, of course. It's a lot easier to get people to try your game when it's part of a larger "metaverse" of games, as opposed to some random steam early access indie page. I like a lot of things about Roblox, but definitely not a big fan of how certain other things have been going lately, especially with "Luobu" and kneeling to the CCP's list of no-no's for a slice of that untapped oil field of gamer cash.
They already did try and find a good Pokémon game on roblox there was an entire lawsuit on multiple developers
Their property being used to profit off of little kids is Nintendo's entire business model
Unity is a publicly traded company these days. Unity might end up being the same thing as Robbie in the end.
Please don't stay quiet if more information or issues come your way as a result of making Roblox videos. I feel the work you've done here in making these facts accessible to so many of your subscribers, as well as others who stumble across these videos is invaluable. While you may not want to make more Roblox videos, please don't give up. I hope your efforts in exposing these terrible practices give victims of these practices the courage to speak out. Thank you for making these and not backing down.
They also tried to take down a livestream leak [claimed by video leaker] from roblox talking about how they do not care about their community and tried to scam people their money by buying headless in 2014
Watching it now, "Jack is learning Unity now" made me sad chuckle
Context?
@@SourAttmozI’m just as confused as you are
@@Guy9580 think its cause of unity charging their devs stuff
The thing with Sarah is vile and I am so sorry that she's had to deal with it. I hope she's doing okay. Doc's apology literally sounds like a 2 year old who's being forced to comply with a kid on the playground or else he gets grounded. There is no way it wasn't scripted. Why was no legal action taken...for literally anything in this video?? It's so concerning.
well he does seem to surround himself with children, so id expect him to act like one
Because capitalism.
I don't think child labour / protection laws exist in the US for online market places like this. It seems Roblox's greatest innovation is reinventing child exploitation in a form policy makers and regulators are unable to recognise.
not fun fact: sega was the one that got SEO banned
@@chloramine_gas4842 when the only reason Roblox banned SEO was because another company forced them to:
Thanks for speaking out!
dang that a lot lol
That's the first time in my life i've seen this
thats literally 10 dollars
@@garfield850 same
10/10 comment
Man Jacks's story just keeps getting worse and worse at every turn. Everything that could've gone wrong DID, and I feel him a lot on that one.
I remember seeing the video, the fact they tried to get him to delete the video though is too predictable at this point.
"Jack's learning Unity now" is such a sad-good sentence. I'm happy he's learning a real platform, but sad it came to that.
@@TweezersUnlimited Okay Roblox avatar lmao
@@SarzaelX steel central has been trying to defend roblox already so don’t expect him to say meaningful and worth your time and effort.
murphy's law: everything that can go wrong will go wrong