The Errors of Liberation Theology
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- Опубликовано: 5 фев 2025
- In this episode Trent discusses the loss of faith in Latin America and how it is just one of the negative effects of liberation theology.
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As someone who's from Brazil, a place where Liberation Theology used to be a really big thing, I appreciate this video very much. Brazil's facing a great revival of traditional catholicism amongst the young, since the anti-catholic alternatives of life in Brazil are becoming more and more unbearable; its spiritual shallowness is becoming evident to everyone nowadays.
Please pray for Brazil and Latin America as well, so that this young traditional catholicism takes a hold in our countries so that we can re-evangelize them once again and remove liberation theology and the prosperity gospel.
God bless you all.
Oi Paulo 👺
@@resh9145 oI João
I'm so happy for you guys! Liberation theology is bunk. I'm coming out of the Charismatic/Pentacostals, but I know there's much liberation theology lurking in the background, despite some good it can provide.
Thank you from France. I didn't know about this phenomenon in Brazil. I thought that only evangelical christians ruled over the catholic .I'm glad to hear this good news.
@@canibezeroun1988 They're mostly silent nowadays, since Pope Benedict XVI made the liberation theology a big no no in Brazil, so these priests either joined the "theology of the people" to reach poor people, or left the church, sadly. Nevertheless, their actions are still pretty sensible in Brazil, with the growing prosperity gospel and secularism being the biggest problems left by the liberation theology who's practically silenced nowadays. We're having great priests and bishops nowadays, traditional ones, that are remembering the people the rich spirituality of our ancestors and the shallowness of the liberal way of life that most protestants bear.
As someone from Brazil, I’ve been waiting for that video
I’ve heard y’all have a bunch of commies down there.
@@JudoMateo you heard right. But although there are a lot o commies in politics, the average voter of leftwing politicians is not quite progressive
@@JudoMateo no, we have a handful of Catholics. Everyone else is a commie
A Bolsonaro voter for sure...
@@JudoMateoLOL 😂🤣😂 Einstein was a commie too
As a first-generation Mexican American, my connection to Catholicism was deeply rooted in tradition and the sacraments.
Upon reflection and a closer examination of our "Hispanic culture," it becomes evident that only a minority genuinely comprehend the teachings of the church, integrating them into their hearts and daily lives.
In essence, I would characterize Latin American Catholicism as advocating a belief in being "saved by tradition alone."
Saved by tradition alone sounds like what I saw around me growing up too.
Yes, in brazil we have a term "católico de IBGE" meaning people that are only catholic in statistics (IBGE: Brazilian Statistics Institute.) But I think even between the "real" ones, some if not most do not comprehend the faith
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I’m Mexican American and Colombian American. Born in America, visited both countries and definitely see Mexico as the more traditional country. traditional Catholicism is bigger in Mexico too which is good compared to Colombian Catholicism which when I experienced it was very laxed and void of reverence they hold mass at malls.
hey Trent, thanks for the video! I had a theology professor who taught us Liberation and Feminist theology and I called him out in the classroom for these errors. I talked to my spiritual director about liberation theology and he said, "Liberation Theology twists God's role with humanity. Liberationists believe God is serving the world instead of the world serving God"
Well put. It's so clearly at or near the heart of original sin wherein mankind's disobedience to God manifests in the people's attempts to enact a god beneath them, to serve them. God as genie in a bottle so to speak. Problem is, you can't worship that which you expect to do your bidding.
"liberation theology, religious movement arising in late 20th-century *Roman Catholicism* and centred in Latin America."
It seems to be one error that Protestants had no role in.
@@ironymatt Timestamp 2:49 "to have a more personal connection with God" Think of that in terms of salvation!
"Liberationists believe God is serving the world instead of the world serving God"
God does serve the world. Jesus washes the feet of his friends. We ought to serve him as well as he serves us.
@@yajunyuan7665 they do have Prosperity Gospel which in essence is a form of liberation theology.
I live in a small Brazilian town and Catholicism here is the air we breathe, even with all the evangelical churches. But you see also how the church has been a victim of its own success in a sense: everyone has Catholic customs, but the essence of the faith is missing. Catholicism is cultural, but it is only practiced faithfully by few. Many baptise their children as a social event then never step into a church again. Because baptism is just something you do. An occasion for a family party. Same goes even for first communion and weddings. And many young people leave the faith because they are brought up to follow these rules and external practices but they are never really taught what they mean, they never have a chance to internalize their spiritual value. So as soon as they are free to choose for themselves they go after something they find more meaning in. Its a sad state of affairs, but there is a good side about all the evangelical churches that are taking over: with all our theological differences, they are on our side socially on most issues. So a growing evangelical population means a good counterweight to the progressive agenda and in election years you can feel the difference. Maybe this will help keep legal abortion away for some more time, for example.
Now a separate comment: socialists have failed to attract the poor in general, not just within the church. The poor want to work and have decent living standards. They do not want to wreak havoc on the social order. This is one of the reasons why the left has turned its back on the poor as revolutionary subjects and have instead transposed the Marxist dichotomies to gender and race - and unfortunately, the church is following this movement as well. The dynamics of oppressors and oppressed has migrated to "cisgender" or "patriarchy" versus "trans" and "women". Social movements around racism dont seek to integrate black and white people into a coherent whole that is respectful and tolerant. Now the white are essentially evil oppressors and blacks are the Holy martyrs under oppression. The dream of MLK has been reversed by the people who claim to be his own followers. Now the color of your skin is more important than the content of your character. Intersectionality is the new "social struggle".
So just a small reply to your commentary. Here in the U.S., I agree with you that the poor want to work. But they genuinely do want equal opportunity and better wages. The people who bring up gender and race are often the wealthy elites, or at least economically comfortable folks who want to feel virtuous. This culture war supports that status quo which is unregulated capitalism. There is no threat of socialism here, unless you mean corporate socialism and welfare for the rich. All the things that are fear mongered about Russia and China, are happening int he states in a more subtle way under capitalism. Rather than a dictatorial head of state, we just have an oligarchy of corrupt corporations who own the means of production.
@@AntonAchondoa the United States does not have “unregulated capitalism” in any sense. The United States very heavily regulates businesses from mom and pops all the way to multinational corporations. The government in the United States is far from just propping up the rich at the expense of the poor and it is obvious when you look at how federal taxation is applied. If you are poor in the US you GET PAID by the government instead of getting taxed. The wealthiest in the country pay almost all of the taxes and the top percents pay more taxes than all the lower brackets combined.
Taxation at every step of trade in the US raises prices and makes it harder to afford things if you are poor. Businesses and wealthy people are not exploiting the poor, the government is inflating the cost of everything by taxing everything at every level. If you know anything about economics you will know that all of these expenses get passed on to the consumer, not because businesses are greedy and evil but because if they do not they will no longer be profitable and thus will close down resulting in the joblessness of all the employees of that company whether it be 5 or 500.
If you do not think that capitalism is regulated in the US you should try running a small business and you will quickly find that regulations are indeed so present that even just keeping the doors open can be an enormous struggle because of the amount of government regulation.
@@MrMarkjams Thanks for your detailed reply. Just a few points though. On papers the rich pay more taxes, but effectively (with loopholes and deductions) they pay a lower rate than most countries. Also, even if the poor "get paid" it cannot keep up with the cost of living in most cases. Wages of have also stagnated while the cost of living keeps rising. The government also assists big businesses and corporations more than small businesses.
I should also specify that if the top bracket is the 37% of everyone making over 500k, then yes obviously they pay more than the bottom combined. But I would advocate lower tax increments for people under 500k, and even under 800k. But once we get to 1 million, 2 million, 10 million, etc. There ought to be a higher rate and a marginal tax rate as well. That would lessen the burden on lower classes.
I agree with you overall point that smaller businesses and working class people struggle. It is because we have quasi-socialism for the rich, and rugged individualism for the lower classes. Also our taxes are invested poorly. How is it that we have massive military budget, but not enough for public healthcare, college, and infrastructure? The military-industrial complex is surely a form of unregulated capitalsim.
The second comment is really Interesting and looks like it rings some truth.
@@Tunafish262 Mr. Markjams? No. It's completely laughable of him to believe this, if he even does (and isn't being intentionally deceptive) particularly when the USA is becoming a tax haven for foreigners precisely due to its lax regulation policies. Anton Anchondoa's response to him is a far more accurate reflection of both of Catholic social teaching and of reality in general. Don't fall for the lies. Peace and love, brother.
"Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God."
I’m not worried about people leaving the Catholic Church if they say they don’t want what it offers. The same people who would call us “out of touch with the times” are the same people who would ask us to say that Jesus was just a good man. They don’t understand that the Church is an eternal thing and therefore can never be out of touch with the times. The times are out of touch with eternity. If we keep true to our mission and the people reject it, then that is unfortunate for them. As long as we keep our missionary zeal and spirit of service, Christ will remember us. We don’t need to ask anything of the poor. We don’t do this for the numbers, we do it for love of God and in service to His will.
*AMEN, BROTHER!!!* ✊️
Liberation theology is as orthodox as it gets. If a bunch of corny folks prefer the superstition of prosperity gospel, let them have it.
Many prayers for our Latin American brothers and sisters 😔
I am very elderly and a cradle Catholic. I heard about this theology only today. Like many other things on RUclips, I probably saw a reference to it, but ignored it as I am still learning about known Catholic dogma, and Holy Scripture. Yep, STILL learning. I hope God lets me live longer so I have more knowledge even though I will be judged according to what I know - and then my behavior according to that knowledge. But I also see this as having a greater chance of salvation. Yeah, I’m delusional about other things, and hope this isn’t one of them. But thank you for this explanation.
Please, read this comment.
I am from Brazil and Catholic, for the grace of God and I disagree with the article. Brazil is not the most Catholic country in the world simply because anyone who is not a Protestant call itself a Catholic and if you talk about Catholic teachings very few people know the basic or even go to mass at least every Sunday or understand what is the Holy Communion. The problem in Brazil (and all of LATAM) is much deeper and goes through our poor education system. It's not easy because people here are poorly educated, reading is a problem, productivity is a problem. People search for easier ways to feel connected to God and having a pastor who says what you can and cannot do it's simpler than learning for yourself what is good and what is bad. I ask you to pray for us because almost 100% of CNBB (Brazilian Bishops Conference) follow this evil theology, and by consequence we have some bad priests. The fight is hard but we also have a mission that goes back to the year 1117, when God showed the first King of Portugal that by the year 1500 Brazil would be discovered and called Terra de Santa Cruz or Land of the Holy Cross. We have a beautiful Catholic history and we are fighting to preserve it. Pray for us, I beg you.
Thank you for reading and I am sorry for my bad English.
This is a BRILLIANT commentary. THANK YOU Stella for writing this. Every Bishop, priest, Cardinal and especially the Pope NEEDS to read your observation. The Catholic Church has gone in a direction that is completely WRONG.
Thank the satanic portuguese marquis de Pombal for banishing the jesuits from all of the portuguese empire for that
I'm from Brazil and I have to say that this is corrupting the Church from inside-out.
Great video!
"liberation theology, religious movement arising in late 20th-century *Roman Catholicism* and centred in Latin America."
It seems to be one error that Protestants had no role in.
@@yajunyuan7665 Actually the "liberation theology" has a twin brother in the "Integral mission" movement inside Protestantism. It is the same exact perpective and it has had large influence on the more traditional Protestant denominations like the Lutherans and Baptists in all LA. There are famous pastors affiliated to the Integral Mission theology, like a Baptist one named Ed René Kivitz. The Pentecostals, who are considerably newer on the continent, are just starting to face the same demands of the Integral Mission but maybe they are still just too new to the effects of the craziness of the 60s and the 70s on the simple basis that Pentecostalism was almost irrelevant back then. But there are actually some differences: Protestantism tends to move forward to a more identitarian-based theology (like the one that defends gay marriage or civil unions) instead of thinking that the opressed is the "poor" as a theological 'topos'. Ed René Kivitz, for example, teaches that the Bible must be "actualized" in order to embrace homosexuals so that they are not excluded. So the problem is everywhere but there are still differences in the more 'old school' LA "liberation theology" and the Protestant "Integral mission" movement.
@Bruno T. And then the SDA promoter went silent... 🤣 Thank you very much for your answer, it was a charitable way to remind the hypocrites to pay attention to the plank in their own eyes. Blessings.
@@brunot2481 I don't know much about the Integral mission movement, all I could find online was that its motto is "What does the Lord require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God." and that Micah Global "an international network of Christians active in relief, development, care and advocacy." is the main expression of it.
It appears to have its origins in 1970 with the Latin American Theological Fellowship.
@@mjramirez6008 I haven't read anything problematic about the "Integral mission" movement so far
I'm from Quito, Ecuador. I just want to say that everything you said is true about "liberation" theology. You have a new suscriber.
I just laid seige to Quito in Civ VI yesterday. Sorry about that lol
So great! I just had a discussion about this a few days ago with a friend and here you pop up with this very topic! Thank you again!
Im First generation Mexican American. I love studying my roots especially Catholicism in Mexico. Just got done reading Mexican Martydom. In my culture there’s a big emphasis on Heroes for the poor like Emiliano Zapata, Pancho Villa, hidalgo and even che guevarra. From a Christian perspective these people were all anti catholic but my cultures clings to them. I take comfort in Martyrs like Saint jose Sánchez del Río or bless Miguel Pro who really stood for Christ and his church. I do see a lot of this liberation theology in my culture and Can now see why Latin America is dropping their catholic status to a Protestant wave going through Latin America. I’m still a bit but skeptical on Pope Francis though since he grew up right in the middle of this whole mess and I’m sure one can argue.
Viva Cristo Rey!
"liberation theology, religious movement arising in late 20th-century *Roman Catholicism* and centred in Latin America."
It seems to be one error that Protestants had no role in.
Amen! Bendito sea Dios!
You should read about Saint Oscar Romero and the UCA martyrs
Ah, Wikipedia.
They definitely had a role and used it to gain traction. In fact, what began as preference for the poor ( a Christian concept), became usurped by Marxism. Read the same Wikipedia article you pulled up and read about Ratzinger.
Thanks for addressing this! It’s honestly why I left Catholicism back a decade ago. Judaism seemed more appealing to me. Liberation theology is pervasive in Latin America, and my family is originally from there. It’s why my parents don’t go to church. I didn’t even know that the Church condemns liberation theology! I learned that actually after reading the CCC. It’s what convinced me to come back.
Now I’m working on convincing my family to go back to church. My father is an exiled Cuban, he was a political prisoner in Cuba. My mother’s country also has been negatively affected by communism. We have reasons why we detest liberation theology. To us, a church that embraces a system where people are dispensable and live in misery with no ability to speak out against it is not a good church. But the prosperity gospel was always nonsensical to me as well. It’s why Judaism appealed to me more at that point.
Good luck and God bless
You would choose Judaism over non-Catholic Christianity?
@@Summer-sx7xl Timestamp 2:49 "to have a more personal connection with God" Think of that in terms of salvation!
@@yajunyuan7665 YES! Protestantism is a joke. Even “messianic Judaism” is silly. “Jeee-suuus!” Yeah, no. Also, the whole faith-alone thing is so false. It’s blatant. Even a person like me can figure that out. It’s nonsensical to me that a person can commit atrocities with no remorse and then say “I believe in Jesus” so he can be saved. Clearly, there has to be more to this than just “faith alone”. Furthermore, the NT proves in many places that Catholicism is actually the authentic form of Christianity. I came back because Jesus is truly the messiah. I don’t do wannabe religions. I do authentic religions. Judaism? Yes. Catholicism? Yes. Nothing else. No way. No offense, those were just my conclusions.
@@Summer-sx7xl you should read the church fathers specially St Ignatius of Antioch (100 AD) (disciple of John the apostle ) he wrote about why we are not following the jewish traditions and why we have the mass on Sundays and not Saturdays. He even mentioned the word “Catholic” for the first time
Liberation theology is one of the things Vatican II gave way to, unfortunately apologists outside of latin america have no knowlege about, it along with a general destruction o catholic apologetics against protestants (also a Vatican II thing) it ended up completely destroying the catholic church in latin america.
Once again showing Catholics prove themselves wrong as well as being the source of the heresies that caused the schisms
@@OctagonalSquare Im sorry? What is the protestant orthodoxy? The calvinists? The pentecostals? Maybe the adventists? And so on, there is no such a thing as protestant "orthodoxy" since anyone can make the scriptures mean whatever they want, God can be the trinity in some denominations, while a duality in others for instance.
There is a Brazilian RUclipsr called Pilgrim’s Pass who once briefly brought up a novel called Epitaph of a Small Winner (or Memoirs of Brás Cubas) by Machado de Assis which is beloved in Brazil, and he credits the existentialist message in this book with why Brazil isn’t a superpower by now.
He also explained the positivism movement in Brazil and even to this day still affects the nation and its consequences.
Trent as a seminarian who will soon start his year of theology. I really appreciate this video. Keep up the great content!!
Thank you so much! We will be praying for you! -Vanessa
Thank you for addresing this topic Trent! I follow you from Argentina and can tell you that the Church is dropping the ball here with their cathechesis... every parish helps the poor and most homilies are about helping others...the single focus on the matter is off putting because poverty is not the main problem of people rich or poor...sin is. God bless you and your family!
Well helping people isn’t itself a bad thing. But if they’re preaching it because of liberation theology then yes.
Essentially, it's the error of thinking that the poor will somehow be fed for a lifetime if they're just given enough fish
I always love your segments on these topics. So many liberation theologists and people making the claim "Jesus was a communist" entirely ignorant of Rerum Novarum and what the Gospel and NT actually teach
So what do the gospels teach in your opinion? What should we do about poverty, injustice and oppression?
Establish the Catholic State.
@@ThisDoctorKnows did you actually listen to Trent’s discussion? There is no virtue in poverty. True Catholicism must stamp out all corruption, care for the souls of the poor and enable them to make a good living through education, ownership of their own dwellings and businesses.
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Perform the Catholic works of mercy.
@@ThisDoctorKnows Timestamp 2:49 "to have a more personal connection with God" Think of that in terms of salvation!
The Abolition of Personal Property invariably leads to the Abolition of the Person.
I agree with you for the most part Trent but there is no reason to pull out claims such as ''such countries as Taiwan, Japan and South Korea (...) have been far more successful in building highly intelligent and dynamic free economies overcoming poverty''. I don't know about Taiwan but it seems to me that there are few examples of contries suffering more spiritual poverty than Japan and South Korea, that's hopefully pretty evident when one knows about what is facing those countries. Let's not forget that this sort of capitalist model has been rejected by numerous popes, capitalism is also a form of modernism, constant revolutionary changes as we have seen. I don't know what to do instead but it seems we should focus now on ecology and rebuilding more integrated smaller communities, as has been described in Laudato Si, which I don't hear catholics talk about nerely enough.
Thnx from Chile! Great insights to help us argue against it! It’s all around and we often lack the arguments to defend the ever living tradition of the Holy Catholic Church against these trends that do so much harm!
I'm the son of a Chilean immigrant and want to move back to work on my family's farm. I've been praying a lot that that new constitution doesn't go through.
As a Catholic from Brazil i thank you this is very sad and i pray for my country everyday i pray for my parishoner since he is a bit influenced but liberation theology
Numbers are reducing here in England, recent news is that two more Catholic place of worship buildings are to close, they are in Corby and Rothwell Northamptonshire England, it's sad to see them close, but with parishioners numbers falling and a lack of priests and deacons and other religious etc, you can always see it happen,
Thank you for making this video. I've heard about liberation theology for nearly thirty years now, and never actually knew what it was all about. This video has put it straight into my awareness and understanding. Thank you for the awesome job you do out here on RUclips, Trent! God's grace and blessings on you and your family, and the Blessed Mother's maternal protection, always.🙏
Honestly, you could replace the economic terms in Liberation Theology with racial terms and you get Kendiism and BLM. Two sides of the same coin. Economic and racial Marxism need to be rejected by the Church for the same reasons. Neither alleviate the problems they claim to alleviate, the result has been that they exacerbate those problems.
So when the oppressed decide to fight back, that’s the problem? Better to stay in a system that is essentially an opiate for the masses to make it easier for them to endure suffering rather than actually doing anything to end their suffering?
BLM is not that is not kendiism or racial Marxism. I only stress precision because I think One of the pernicious things we’re seeing now is the algorithms accelerating our divisions and misconceptions. This is even affecting the Church imo
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Every thought system who divides people into oppressors and oppressed in nothing more than Marxism.
BLM sure seemed to think they were racial Marxists. Their website used to brag about it til they deleted that part.
You are correct when you say God has a special intention and care for the poor. As our brother Bono would say, 2000+ passages of Scripture is enough to prove it. Scripture also speaks of the poor as being more aware of their need for salvation, while the wealthy are to be more to be pitied, for it will be easier for camel to go through the eye of a needle than for the rich to enter the Kingdom of Heaven.
Yes, Pentecostals (aside from denying the Holy Trinity in some of their sects, most notably in the UPC), have bought into the prosperity gospel. While I agree with them that the gifts of the Holy Spirit are for today (including the gifts of tongues, healings and miracles), I do not agree that God guarantees riches on earth. The prosperity gospel that is often preached in evangelicalism is the gospel filtered through capitalism, just as liberation theology is filtered through Marxism. Both are in error. Let's be clear, however. Both capitalism and socialism are simply economic systems that are neither good nor bad in and of themselves. The very first Christians practiced socialism as it is written in Acts 2:43-47, which financed the Gospel throughout the known world at that time. It is how these necessarily flawed economic systems are practiced that gives us the rub:
I hope you'll agree that it is very difficult for any person to hear and receive the most holy Gospel of salvation through Christ Jesus while they are starving. Can they do so when they have no baby formula and no rent money? No electricity? No sanitation? No clean water?
Jesus recognized that they could not when His Sacred Heart was so moved to feed the hungry multitude. Afterwards, He did not feed them again, but taught them to seek the bread of heaven. Why? Because they would receive both eternal life and temporal necessities if they would but ask with faith believing, and never doubting. He taught them to pray to our Father, our Provider, for their daily bread. Please note that He never instructed them to work for their daily bread, though He did instruct them to work for the Kingdom of God. See Matthew 6:25-33. Jesus taught so strongly about the Father's heart of longing for His prodigal sons and daughters, and rightly told the people that our Father...whom we call "Abba", "Papa" or "Daddy"...will withhold no good thing from His children who call on Him in spirit and in truth.
Trent, do you provide basic necessities for your children even if they are disobedient sometimes? Our Blessed Abba does, as well...even more so, for even the best of earthly fathers is evil while He is good. He has taken responsibility for His children and will not act otherwise.
As for the idolizing of the poor, let's be careful that Catholics and Protestants alike do not idolize the unborn...or the nuclear family, for that matter. Jesus and St. Paul both indicated that the nuclear family would wane in importance in the Last Days, as Christians are called more and more to devote themselves to the cause of the Gospel alone as we prepare for His return and the Great Resurrection of the Dead, and renewal of all Creation, our hope that is even greater than a temporary heaven when we die. May it ever be!
As for the nations of the earth, they shall be judged for the systems and policies that they establish. Remember that Sodom & Gomorrah were destroyed not just because of their sexual immorality, but also because of their neglect and exploitation of the poor. They also practiced chattel slavery (not the temporary indentured servitude that was common among the Jews).
There is a great difference between full-on, atheistic Marxist Communism and Democratic Socialism, which is practiced by every free nation on earth (even the U.S. to the lesser extent, though most Americans are unaware that they are socialists every time they drive on a public road or highway, or call the fire department to put out a fire if their tax dollars paid for them). Democratic Socialism encourages capitalism, thriving businesses and ownership of private property. They also have basic civil rights, democratically elected governments, and most notably, freedom of religion. Many of these countries still have Christianity as an established state religion. However, DS does insist that capitalism must serve all people and their *basic human rights* and not just the few who become so wealthy they can't possibly spend all their money in 50 lifetimes. This kind of accumulation of wealth without major voluntary redistribution to the poor is surely a personal sin, and wealthy Catholics should be so admonished as Jesus admonished the rich young man who came seeking eternal life. St. Francis of Assisi, who came from a wealthy family, gave away all his inheritance in obedience to the Christ. If any Christian finds him or herself holding this much wealth, they are obligated to reduce and maintain their own status to middle class (at least), in my view. (See Proverbs 30:7-9 for a wonderful prayer that I pray over my finances "give me neither poverty nor riches" for both give opportunity to sin. I agree that the escape from poverty should include encouragement to pray for one's daily bread, as Jesus instructed. Jesus discussed the Father's love for His children to clothe them more splendidly than Solomon in all his glory, and to feed His children more abundantly than the birds of the air, for whom He provides though they sow not and do not gather into barns. I agree that we're not trying to create heaven on earth as Christians. I agree with Catechism 2448 as you have quoted it.
Norway, Denmark, Sweden, Switzerland, Germany, France, the Netherlands, Australia, Canada, the U.K...are all democratically socialistic to one degree or another. They have democratic elections and robust civil rights. There is no authoritarian kleptocrat in charge as we have seen in Venezuela and Russia. Healthcare and education, for instance, are considered basic human rights in these nations. Poverty has been reduced to near zero in some of these nations. The death penalty has been abolished in these nations. In some of these nations, criminal recidivism is extremely low because their emphasis on reform rather than endless and repeated punishment really works. You have rightly cited Matthew 25 in which Jesus described the Final Judgment in the parable of the sheep and the goats. This is more than Christians' duty "to care for the poor" (individual acts of charity in which one gives alms, which is approved and necessary, though it is not nearly enough). This is a parable in which Jesus described His own life of privation, imprisonment and death, and therefore declared His identification and solidarity with the hungry, the thirsty, the naked, *the immigrant* (scary!), *the prisoner* (really scary!) and the sick.
Jesus' very ministry was centered on the poor in fulfillment of Isaiah's prophecy (see Luke 4:18-19). He went about healing and feeding the poor while also preaching repentance. Sometimes He said nothing about repentance in the case of Zacchaeus and the Samaritan woman at the well. In the case of Zacchaeus, the Lord only commanded that Zacchaeus offer Him hospitality, which was a great honor to the super-sinful Zacchaeus (this was hateful in the sight of the self-righteous among the Jews). Zacchaeus, overwhelmed with gratitude, spontaneously and joyfully repented of his sins and declared his intention to make amends. Jesus then declared him a true son of Abraham. In the case of the Samaritan woman, Jesus told her about her sins and confirmed her religious heresy, but then told her she need only ask for the Living Water of eternal life and He would give it to her. She ran to her people declaring that the Messiah had come.
As for unjustifiable violence, what of the violence that has been done against the organizers of labor unions? My grandfather was a coal miner who was present during one such outburst of violence in the 1930's famously called "Blood Harlan County" in Kentucky. The coal companies were guilty of horrific atrocities against their workers. My mother had no shoes on her feet, and not enough food in her belly! This while my grandfather worked so hard in dangerous conditions, 7 days a week. Republicans in this age would have this to be accepted practice yet again! What of the dangers of far right wing fascism that arose under Hitler in Nazi Germany and now threatens the U.S. (which, btw, was tolerated and even encouraged by the institutional Catholic and Lutheran Churches at that time)?
Let's take a real look at why Marxism took hold in the first place. You say violence was unjustifiable, but is that really true? How long will the poor endure systems of injustice before violence erupts? What role does the Church play in making sure that injustice is extinguished before violence erupts? Jesus was crucified because He spoke truth to power. Will the Church also speak truth to power on behalf of the poor, the sick, the marginalized and the disenfranchised? Perhaps the liberation theologists will be judged less harshly than a Church that has not done enough to make their theology unnecessary. I think Pope Francis might agree with me on this.
The problem is that liberation theology has become a position that is more discourse than action, it doesn't actually help anyone, the SSVP does more good in a day than liberation theologians have done throughout their entire lifetimes.
@@juliocesarfabianosaboia7330 The SSVP is a magnificent organization! Charitable alms and outreach to the poor is the calling of every Christian on earth. We should provide for them materially while teaching them the Gospel, and how to pray for their daily bread. Their faith will make them whole! However, we should also work for the dismantling of sinful systems and policies that perpetuate poverty. As I noted above, there are wealthy, free countries that have done this because they simply decided they weren't going to tolerate poverty within their borders. Their taxes are only marginally higher than ours in the U.S. It's just that 60% of our tax dollar goes to defense because we can't seem to keep our hands off of other nations' affairs.
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@@DecentFellowshipThe next challenge of the democratic socialist countries is refuting the radicals who believe the economic system “hasn’t done enough” and that full blown communism needs to follow
Essentially it is the opposite of prosperity gospel. Here in Philippines, one of the things protestant accuse Catholics of fatalism. Especially since most protestant here is middle to upper class.
Today's topic mentioned Socialism and Happiness and Heaven. A surprising piece from a surprising source is "Can Socialists Be Happy?". Its author is John Freeman, another name for George Orwell. He makes the point that Heaven holds little appeal for some people because religious authorities do such a poor job of convincingly describing Heaven while doing a concincing job of describing Hell.
It is a good thinking piece, though it may not be rigorously orthodox.
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So many of your points are wrong and contradict themselves. When we pray the Our Father, we are pray that we do God's will on Earth (the material planet of Earth) as is in Heaven. Liberation of the poor must be a spiritual work but also a material work. The Gospel recognize class struggle and establishes preferential option for the poor. Luke 1:53 "He has filled the hungry with good things but has sent the rich away empty." In Matthew 19: 16-22 Jesus instructs the rich young ruler how he can get eternal life in Heaven, Jesus concludes is interaction by telling the man to sell all his property and give his money to the poor. Capitalism does not redistribute wealth in society, it unjustly profits from the poor and the workers. This is why we need radical change, how can you not read the signs of the times?!
How can you not see the destructiveness of socialism or communism. History is there for a reason. Read clearly that it never worked, and only further enslaved humanity.
Thank you! This examination of Liberation Theology is erudite and engaging. It will help me navigate the seemingly inexorable expansion of social justice in Catholic school RE curricula.
Great content, Trent. Keep the good work, may God bless you
Trent Horn, Pope Leo XIII said that property rights are inviolable, as does the Catechism of Trent. You said that property rights are not unlimited. Can you show what limitations can be placed on property rights without compromising their inviolability and how those limitations work without being violations of inviolability?
"The right to possess private property is derived from nature, not from man; and the State has the right to control its use in the interests of the public good alone, but by no means to absorb it altogether. " - Rerum Novarum, 47
Inviolability means that no one should be arbitrarily deprived of his own property but it doesn't mean it's an "absolute" right. This is well established by Catholic social teaching.
@@ghostapostle7225 inviolability does mean absolute. The state's right to control it is limited to ensuring that use of private property does not violate the rights of others. As natural law shows us, one's rights end where another's rights begin. Rights do not and cannot overlap. So when one tries to use their freedom in a way that violates the common good, that is, a way that violates the rights of another, the state has a right to step in. Inviolable means inviolable. The only sense in which is does not mean absolute is that you don't have a right to use it to violate the rights of others, which would be contrary to the public good, which is what the Church is recognizing in accord with natural law.
You think you own property? Tax property?
The right to life is prior to, and supersedes, the right to property. That means no legitimate property claim can jeopardize another person's life.
What strikes me as odd in these types of discussions is the idea that working people having adequate food, housing, access to education and healthcare without financial impediment is deemed a paradise on Earth. It seems like a lack of imagination and understanding of the concept of Heavenly paradise. How does working 80+ hours to support yourself and your family leave you adequate time for contemplation of Jesus and his teachings? Shouldn't we seek for people to have more time for prayer, contemplation and other holy practices? Strange how you connect the rise of Liberation Theology to the shrinking population of Brazilian Catholics, without at all acknowledging the strong connection of the dominant conservative elements of the Catholic Church in Latin America working hand in hand with military dictatorships to cull populations and actively work against democracy. No way that had any knock on effects...
If you don't know, marxist, is that the main force eating away from the influence of the church in south america is liberal ideology which attacks the inherent heirarchies in human society, one of its major arms is liberation theology. The reason being is that the church herself is a highly structured and hierarchical body and if liberation theology attacks hierarchy, then it inadvertently attacks the church too, this is why less heirarchical ecclesial structures are gaining ground in south america.
The presentation of this video is solid. Keep it up!
@28:15 Pope Francis even spoke against Liberation theology in a recent Spanish interview
Trent - clear and lucid as usual.
So I was going to this Catholic church right and one sermon just turned into a rant on why Marxism is good,I stopped going there,I honestly should have been weary since it’s a college church and it’s a very liberal college.
Liberation theology is a move toward humanism and substance of oppression for sin. The gospel involves the saving work of God. In Ezekiel there are wolves acting as shepherd and God himself says he will be the shepherd. After the self enriching of false shepherds God acts saying he will DIY saying that the bookend inclusio. I will set David aka Jesus as shepherd. And I will set David aka Jesus as king around the promise of a new covenant with changed hearts and the resurrection of dry bones to life God saves DIY through Jesus God
This was an excellent presentation, Trent, very well done. I would enjoy more half-hour shorties, I usually tune in over breakfast or lunch
We Brazilians are trying to explain this to the world and they calling us sedevacant!
It's sad that Christianity is declining in Latin America. It's sad that Catholicism is decreasing in Brazil. I thought Christianity was declining in Latin America because woke LGBTQ+ ideologies have started to take a hold of it. I know two women from colombia who were forced to support LGBTQ+ since they both were immigrants and now they both are extremely woke and they talk about how "great" it is that Latin America is accepting LGBTQ+. A rift between the Catholic church and the people makes sense too, although I think both reasons are why Latin America is becoming atheist. I pray Brazil will become a Christian nation again! I pray Latin America will hold onto Christianity and not let the non-Christians take over!
I think something you miss is that liberation theology didn't just fail ideologically, but instead many practitioners were hunted down by militant death squads and murdered for their support of liberation theology. This happened all across places like El Salvador (ex. Ignacio Martin Baro) and other countries in Latin America. There was no failure to capture the minds of the people, but instead liberation theologists were actively silenced.
This definitely missing in his critique. He is totally glossing over the historical contexts here.
Not here in Brazil, there was indeed some persecution, but at one point, a few decades ago, practically every bishop was a part of this theological line, it's safe to say it didn't do us any good.
@@juliocesarfabianosaboia7330 Or could it be that people rejected their bishops in favor of prosperity gospel. Are those bishops to bend to the will of the fallen world? Or were they right to have supported the preferential option for the poor in spite of Western colonial influence?
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Great video Trent. I've always been curious about what Liberation Theology is. Very clear summary and juxtuposition with orthodox Catholic teaching. Thank you!
Thank you. I may have to watch this a few more times. Liberation theology is still very active in other parts of the world in which I interact and I haven’t known how to address it.
"liberation theology, religious movement arising in late 20th-century *Roman Catholicism* and centred in Latin America."
It seems to be one error that Protestants had no role in.
Y0u are such a gift to Catholicism and I am quite discriminating and frugal when making such a complement.
This was so awesome Trent.
By far, the best explanation in plain English I've found.
Jon Sobrino was my teacher, and he called martyrs his 6 fellow priests murdered in El Salvador in 1989.
No one ever questioned Sobrino's reasoning.
Please expand on 2nd Vatican Council (1965), the Episcopal Conference in Medellin (1968) where Pope Paul VI said " We wish to personify the Christ of a poor and hungry people".
And please explain the
3rd General Conference of the Latin American Episcopate in Puebla (1979)
Lots of catholics engaged in political violence after attending a short presentation of those 3 events conducted by Jesuit priests.
Thanks!
Thank you for watching! -Vanessa
Great video mr. Trent, however Brother Clodovis Boff has left Liberation Theology and now holds conferences against Liberation Theology, all and all great video, brought great light to this problem!
This was so helpful. Thank you!
I feel like you should flesh this out into a longer video in order to take deeper dives into various portions. I know there is a concern about YT watch times and video length. But you can take that longer video and cut it up into smaller segments for shorter separate videos.
People want long form meaningful content. And even at 30min you could have gone further and deeper.
Keep up the good content.
This is really sad. But Trent can you do a video about regions of the world where the church is growing and why it is growing.
Prosperity Gospel is evil. Jesus makes it clear who are the blessed:
the poor
the widow
the persecuted.
In the OT, yes, God's blessing is tied with prosperity. But the situation was now flipped when Jesus came.
no longer the rich or wealthy or healthy are the blessed. But the poor, the persecuted, the mourners, etc
The beatitudes don't say or imply the rich, the married or the non-persecuted are cursed but it seems you read it that way
Comment for algorithm. Keep it up Trent. Next I gotta finish your Assumption video!
Fantastic fantastic video... This is helping me with paper for my latin american college class
Che sent to the firing squad: priest and nuns!
Che was a murderer, rapist, thief, and all around possessed. I hope he repented of all his sins.
So did most other commies. The Old Believers were wiped out in the USSR, the Catholic nuns and priests murdered in the parts of Spain the Marxists controlled in the Spanish Civil War, and tons of Orthodox priests and Catholic priests in the USSR as Trent mentioned, among many more examples, too many to count.
“You claim to love the poor? Name them”
Uncle Jim from down the street.
In what way does Liberation theology free people of sin, & with this Pontiff ---
Yeah we bend Christianity once again in order to suit the rich. Like the time we could justify taking interest. Yeah we did it again. And capitalism is not inherently bad, but wanting to help the poor should be considered twice and is somehow bad, because they are going to be rewarded in heaven and we don't like a nice society here on earth. And what is all this talking about the poor? It's almost like they have a special status and we don't want to treat them like human beings. So let's exploit them. Yeah, another round of capitalism. It sounded all so sweet.
Look at Jesus’ own words as to His purpose for coming into the world. Luke 5:32, ”I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.” It was about sin. But why? Because the wages of sin is death. The world was on its way to Hell. The most famous verse in the Bible is probably John 3:16 “For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.” People normally stop there, and miss the point of why: This was a rescue mission. We get a better picture of why He was sent in the next 3 verses: 17 “For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. 18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son. 19 This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but people loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil.” It was all about sin. The world stands already condemned, and can only be saved through faith in His Son. It wasn’t about changing the sociopolitical and economic structures of the day. Liberation was indeed the goal, but it was liberation from the consequences of sin. We are clearly instructed to care for the poor. But we are always to keep things in perspective. Even if man was able to perfectly distribute the world’s resources evenly across the world, there would still be sin. And that’s why Jesus came. Mark 8:36 is the ultimate perspective verse, “What good is it for someone to gain the whole world, yet forfeit their soul?” That was Jesus’ 'soul purpose'.
As someone who grew up in Vietnam... this is painful to watch. I feel physical pain seeing people supporting ideas that plainly DO NOT work
Catholics VERSUS The World:
1. We [ALL] are created in the image of God. VERSUS: [our group] cannot know our origins.
2. Through our sin, we are alienated from God. VERSUS: We are victims of no fault oppression.
3. Jesus reconciles us to God and our neighbors. VERSUS: Liberating redemption through struggle.
4. With Divine help, we build his Kingdom on earth. VERSUS: We [man made] create a society of equity.
What is the solution? Answer: Spread the good news of the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
"liberation theology, religious movement arising in late 20th-century *Roman Catholicism* and centred in Latin America."
It seems to be one error that Protestants had no role in.
Amen! I'm sick of these weak men leading our Church today! Pray for more courageous Bishops (you know, the ones that Pope Francis & Co. demonize), not more of these Cardinals who want to lie with Pope Francis and have his babies : )
The first Christians, as related in the Apostles' Acts, sold their goods and shared them with the rest of their community.
I was taught that Liberation Theology was banned in the Church. A lot of black churches in US during the ‘60s were preaching this. That is when it was preached from the pulpit that liberation theology was banned.
Only ~5% of black Americans are even Catholic, and it would've been ~2% in the 1960s. We are Protestants, so the pope has no authority to ban anything in our churches. 😂 Besides, black liberation theology wasn't even preached in our churches until damn near 1970, AFTER we had secured our civil rights......
The problem with communism is that it entrenches poverty. If you want to help reduce poverty you need to help educate, train and guide people. Also helps if you don't tax people to their wits end and allow the poor to accumulate a bit of capital.
Che also as a racist and threw homosexuals off buildings.
"Theologically homeless" just commenting for my own notes because I like that much better than heretic for not being a trinitarian
Trent, how do we properly help the poor? I see you frequently criticise the errors left-leaning thought but how do you challenge the errors of the right?
Watch his video on Prosperity Gospel.
Spot on analysis of material over spiritual need prevalent in liberation theology. I think most liberation theologians are ultimately materialists with visions of utopia on earth. If utopia is possible then any political system that has poor people in it must therefore be unjust and need to be torn down.
They fail to recognize that sin, poverty, suffering, etc are conditions we have to cope with, while knowing we can never eliminate them.
While listening to this, it occurred to me that I would really like to hear you talk about the American abolitionist John Brown in one of your videos.
Why? I am curious?
@@ThisDoctorKnows I have watched a few videos on youtube about John Brown and it seems that a lot of people who comment regard him as a hero who did nothing wrong. Some of the themes in this Liberation Theology video made me think of it.
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Brown's cause was just, his methods were terroristic, his fanaticism clouded his judgement.
Like Che Guevara he felt that a good cause justifies committing atrocities.
However I recognize that the atrocities committed were born of atrocities suffered.
It just perpetuates the cycle of violence and perhaps it is inevitable.
President Kennedy once said those who make peaceful revolutions impossible make violent revolutions inevitable.
One danger is that even when peaceful methods would prove fruitful, when certain conditions are present there will always be groups of instigators that will push for violence as the only way and they can overtake the cause everyone is striving for.
@@luisaymerich9675 Agreed 100%. And I find it unsettling to see just how many people applaud him and do not seem to take issue with his methods.
@Jack Hummell I've heard people debate whether the Boston Tea Party should be considered a terrorist act, so it's possible. John Brown had a righteous cause behind what he did, but what he did was lynching.
The Catholic Church Preaches Poverty to the Poor.
The Protestants Preach Prosperity to the Poor.
Which do you think the Poor prefer?
The Key is to Preach Christ.
The Poor are seeking Salvation, not Liberation!
As an Amazonian lawyer said: When my people need medicine, food or jobs, they go to the Catholic Church. When they want to hear about Jesus, they turn to the Pentecostalists.
Well that’s what Trent literally just said.
@@ntmn8444 Timestamp 2:49 "to have a more personal connection with God" Think of that in terms of salvation!
Pentecostals have a different Jesus than the Christian church.
I personally don't know of anyone who found a job by going to the Catholic Church, I've seen plenty of pentecostal workshops though, they also hire their own, in fact, I think the Catholic Church basically has no sense of community in a lot of places.
@@yajunyuan7665 "I'm gonna have a more personal relationship with Jesus by ignoring everything He said in the Bread of Life discourse and at the Last Supper by never receiving His Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity in the Eucharist again!" 🤡
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Pentecostalism and Prosperity Theology are as dangerous as Liberation Theology.
There is a way of following Jesus that recognizes the sinful structures of the world while faithfully adhering to the gospel. It is not always easy but is necessary.
Thank you for this lecture, Father.
I think the "loss of faith" is a very good thing -- as long as it is replaced with better education. Religion has too often kept people from progressive development.
So the same reasons Ireland has lost its Catholicism?
There is a lot to unpack here concerning the matters of communism and Marxism, this guy oversimplifies a common error in the thinking of what communism, socialism, and Marxism are
Trent isnt the one in error here. Its the supporters of socialism, communism, Marxism, etc. because their ideology is so flawed that its impossible for the lines to not be blurred.
My denomination has a liberation theologian of our own, Tim Keller, who denies being a Marxist on the sole grounds that Marxism is (i) atheistic and (ii) materialism, and he is neither.
That's true, you can't be marxist without being materialist, as marxism is based on dialectical materialism and historical materialism. Dialectical materialism and historical materialism are THE bases of marxist reasoning.
@@prkp7248 He's a practical marxist (like some people are practical atheists) -- marxist for all practical purposes. Because there is a material world, Keller simply treats that material world in must same way that marxists do, with perhaps one exception: he does not grant ultimacy t o the material world.
I wasn't a huge fan of his but he was hardly a Marxist. Please
@@Mrm1985100Granted, in the same way that deists are hardly atheists. Besides, I didn't claim Keller was a marxist; I claimed that he was a liberation theologian. Calvinistic, yes; but still liberationist. And he was not alone.
I just pray that the fallacy of liberation theology doesn't just give Catholics an excuse to ignore or neglect structural and institutional economic injustices.
Capitalist liberal theology hasn't had too great a record itself.
Trent refuses to criticize capitalism. He’s fully bought into the anti christ ideology of capitalism
Based
I was taken aback when he failed to recognise the distinction Marxists would make between personal/private property, ngl
@@TimNurTV No such real distinction, Read rerum novarum, see how it describes private property, see how "personal property" doesn't fulfill what private property is as described in Rerum Novarum.
Good point
There are elements here that are interesting and balnaced, and yet others that absolutely fail to represent the whole picture. Yes, social change movements that use violence do end up having consequences that are counter to their stated goals of equality and justice; but this is not unique. The whole history of the Catholic church is laced with violence and outright erasure of peoples and cultures that stood in the way of Church control. It is not like the church came to be the world-scale institution it is by just being very loving and spreading the good word. Throughout Europe first, then the Americas, and Africa, the church either was directly using armies to spread its influence, or on the coattails of an imperial power that did the killing, while the priests did the indoctrination. Literally the Jesuits owned (and torturned) slaves throughout the americas to increase their material power and control. In north america, the church was instrumental in the abuse and straight up killing (either directly or through abuse and neglect) of tens of thousands of Indigenous Children.
When you point to the "evils" of Marxism and liberation theology, you fail to place that same analysis on the actions of the church itself. The Catholic church has a long history of writing nice letters, and yet never shying away from aligning itself with institutions and movements that instrumentalize violence which allowed them to control more minds, more land, and more stuff. Of course the church is going to make the argument that they have a right to private property, that is the premise that has been used for them to grow their influence.
What I find rich about the critique of helping the poor risking become a spiritually poor, materialist movement, is that despite the fact that Christ calls us to give everything away, and follow Him, this is not at all what the church has ever done. Sure charity, sure saintly people that live with and minister to the downtroden: a pitance, the exeptions that are used as marketing to justify the rule (of the institutional, worldly church). Libeeration theology never actually materialized. The conditions in which latin american people saw the fruits of their lands and their labours actually belong to them is still not a reality, and the success of evangelical movements appeals to the fact that they (through prosperity gospel, but more importantly through economic displays of wealth) make the promise of more stuff for those who live poverty everyday.
The institutional church doesn't care about spirit, it cares about market share. You can say all the nice things you want, attribute violence only to the "socialists" all you want, but the church's long history speaks for itself; it has no faith in giving away its power (Luke 18:22), or in making the church one truly of the people. It has faith in stuff, in hierarchy, in worldly power. Why would the pope need private army if he was truly in alignment with the divine?
Capitalism has so much violence laced in it, including the violence of reducing the Human Person to a tradable asset, an externality, a cost of doing business. The economic system of a wealthy few claiming right to control the majority of land and resources for the benefit of few is the system the church alights itself with. A history that repeats the cycle of using human time and labour to amass enough resources to dispose of those people and replace them with more efficient means of amassing wealth. A cursory reading of history demonstrates this over and over.
The dangers of liberation theology. What a one-sided joke.
Father Paulo Ricardo is helping us fight it back!
The Class Struggle replaces Spiritual Warfare. Che replaces Jesus.
Never!
Excellent! Thanks so much!
Hi Trent please make video about Bertuzzis rejection If Catholicism and his strange argumentation why he did so.
I had been interested in liberation theology because of the aspects that are good, but hearing Trent flesh these peoples ideas out completely, I realize that they prioritize materialism over Christ, when you should be both focusing on Christ AND relief of material suffering.......you'll do much more good in the Knights of Columbus for men
I was cancelled as a theology student by those who profess these theories, they label Lutheran Protestant systematic theology fascist, and write about the book of Ruth being a lesbian lgbtq drama, they’ve ruined our theological faculties and they very nearly destroyed me and my financial future. They disgust me.
Trent, I'm curious what you think of Christian Anarchism. Here's the rough argument:
1. Voting does not cause immoral actions to become moral
2. Taxation is using force to take property from people
3. Taxation is still theft even if a vote occurred (1 + 2)
4. Greater good does not justify evil acts.
5. Governments that utilize Taxation are inherently evil. (3 + 4)
The problem might be with premise 2. Seems a caricature or poor definition of taxation. Even if that wording were somehow sufficiently accurate, taking something by force is not immoral if it belongs to the one using force. And it would not be convincing to argue, circularly: The government has no authority to take by force, because the government has no authority, therefore anarchism (i.e. government has no authority). You certainly can't argue "because taking by force is always immoral" since it's not immoral if it truly belongs to the one taking, or at least to another on whose behalf that one takes (like if someone stole my grandma's car and I took it back for her on her behalf). Just my half-baked thoughts... something isn't quite right with your premise 2.
@@realdavidfrank What's not right with premise 2? Taxation is when a government uses force to take property. I'm not sure how else it could be defined.
@@realdavidfrank To be helpful, I think you're actually arguing against premise 3 on the grounds that Government is actually the rightful owner of the property it confiscates by force from its people. I'm interested to hear why.
@@Joker22593 I think your premise 2 has to include "and using force to take property from people is in itself immoral" in order to work... or rather, it's an unspoken assumption that would have to be a prior premise (making premise 2 actually 3). But such an assumption seems untrue, since examples of force not being immoral can be found.
@@Joker22593 I don't think I am targeting p3, although maybe indirectly, because your premise 3 is really the conclusion from 1, 2, combined with a prior assumption that to take by force is in itself immoral.
I'm not particularly interested in arguing that some of our money actually belongs to the government, or to other people and therefore the government can take and redistribute it; I'm just pointing out one of many possible ways the original argument might not hold up. But I'm sure Trent (and probably you too) has thought way more about this than I have.
Excellent video
A preist at my parish just plugged your book during his sermon lol.
Stick with a necessary poverty. After all, Christ would. Wouldn’t he?
Seems like an excuse to do "feel-good' actions of individual charity while never changing one's heart and thereby continue to support agendas that harm people in the long run and never understand the sin in that. There needs to be a balance between individualism and collectivism.
Also, The Bible does admonish misuse of people for profit but are these messages given enough time in Sunday services?
IMO This is a good video and makes some excellent points. Liberation theology is theologically deficient and fails to preach repentance, often lacks an authentic eschatological horizon, and replaces biblical and theologically categories with (Marxist) economic and political ones. It ultimately doesn't preach the gospel as it is presented in the New Testament. For these reasons it ends up becoming a socio-economic-political programme as opposed to a genuine expectation for the coming of the Kingdom of God.
That being said, I feel Trent fails to address certain issues. Firstly, liberation theology was a reaction to extreme oppression and poverty in Latin American Roman Catholic countries, where the Roman Catholic elites were supporting the military dictatorships that were present. Roman Catholic theology, or social doctrine, which Trent talks to us about, was not helping the poor in that context. Secondly, Trent also doesn't seem to address sufficiently the fact that poverty in Latin America was based on structural injustice; simple charity in these cases appears insufficient and risks to perpetuate the cycles of poverty and injustice. Finally, Trent rightly speaks against violent revolutionary action that some liberation theologians advocated for, but fails to address the violence that was present in these Latin American countries against the poor themselves on the part of Right-Wing dictatorships.
Thank you for this.
So people are leaving because they place their material needs over the truth, ok.
no stupid, the system has failed us, neoliberal capitalism doesn’t work and instead of pandering and feeding the poor as the church does, ask yourself why are the poor hungry
Excellent Trent
17:31 is funny how you say women are a minority community. Great video, but I just like that psyop that we accept that women are somehow deemed minorities lmao.
Worldwide, women are treated as second class citizens more than men. Due to Islamic countries alone, women are at a net worse off than men. But yes, in the western world this is mostly false. But minority stopped meaning just “lower percent of population” and more about how they are treated a long time ago
I am not fond of American Pentecostals, but I love the Brazilian ones
Isn't there an argument to be made that Charismatic theology did most of the leg work? Afaik that seems to be the largest drive towards Pentacostalism
The latinobarometro poll is wrong. The numbers of catholics in mexico has been in a steady decline for over 2 decades.
This whole thing is just special pleading. You don't like it, because you don't like it. So it's not that it's wrong, but rather that you preferred a more church approved point of view.
How about "the end justifies the means"!!! Who made the law that states " Alliance of criminal politicians & corrupt evangelist should rule the poor?"
Knucks bra! Thanks for doing what you do!