I would start Foden over Gordon, he played well on the left, did 4 or 5 pin point passes that should have been converted, Gordon should have come on earlier tho tbh.
@@Long-Horse Considering foden hasn't been played in his correct position, at least foden leaving and going back to England for family matters will force southgate to start Gordon on the left. As long as Gordon has a great game and effect the game in a positive way with perhaps a assist or something like that, he could hold onto that position solving 1 problem. If that happens and foden does come back it could force southgate into a situation where he cant drop Gordon, so he might actually have to use foden in his favourite position, or use both Bellingham and Foden as rotation players. It could also force southgate to use Bellingham alongside rice, which would free up the 10 position for foden and palmer. If foden doesnt come back, then we still have Bellingham who could actually start playing well or palmer, who might be given a chance as a 10. Foden leaving could actually accidentally fix England and force sothgate to make the right decisions. England might actually start to play at their level.
Southgate is an ultra safe manager. He sets out teams not to lose. I don't blame him because every England loss is treated as the end of the world. Any mistake is held against that player by other club's fans forever. International football comes down very low in the priorities of Premier league clubs and fans apart from when competitions come round and then they are expected to win every one and when they don't everybody is surprised. This cycle is rather tiresome.
21:31 Here’s a news flash, it really is not. Gotta stop overrating these lot, a team on paper doesn’t mean a thing when they don’t show they’re a proper team in a match. Also it’s quite clear that the Slovenians were celebrating going through to the next round, they couldn’t care less about it being against England lol
Gallagher didn’t touch the ball in the first 10 minutes! Whatto - I’m not sure what you were drinking last night but your first half analysis is off this morning mate. 😮
@@Thomas...191in a group where nobody could score against each other and had the worst teams in it in general. Did you not think about this for more than 3 seconds?
Southgate is possibly the luckiest England manager in history. He's been gifted arguably the best squad of players the country has ever had. He's had the easiest tournament route in the last three major competitions, yet he has failed. Quite how he wasn't sacked, or had the balls to walk away after the Euro 2020 final debacle is proof the FA have some serious questions to answer on this saga. He's reduced the best players in the Spanish and German leagues, and aguably the best player in the Premier League to league one players at best within less than two weeks. He's clearly lost the dressing room. The players look absolutely clueless on the pitch, even Harry Kane said in an interview that they weren't clear on how they should press. This will not get better until Southgate is sacked, or finally realises he is managing way beyond his ability and does the right thing and leave.
Said the point about Pickford during the Denmark game also - so many times, Foden, Rice etc would show for a ball along the floor from pickford, he would ignore and hit long, Kane would jump lose the ball and Denmark would come at us again. At club level big teams DCM show for the ball even with a player on their back, the keeper gives it and the team retain possession. not sure if its cos he plays for Evertona dn Dyche but he looks to hit it long as hard as he possibly can every time.
Please watch the game Declan rice marked himself for the majority of the game , he doesn’t know how to show for the ball , he actively runs behind their player who pressed so he knows he can’t get the ball , he hid the whole game
@@angusfraser5216 i agree re Rice, he did show at least once though - the difference between him hiding and Mainoo wanting the ball was there for all to see. Foden definitely showed for the ball though a few times. Roll on Slovakia where i will be showing a keen eye towards this issue.
Rice is shite but it's obviously a tactic and maybe it's because u can't trust rice under pressure with his back to goal.. it's like people complaining about Pickford going long from kick off, its not his decision.. hes been told that
In part that was because the distribution out of defence, and through Rice, was fucking abysmal. If I’d have been Pickford I would have been thinking about hoofing it as well.
Anyone else feel that the players are TOO professional? They follow what the manager told them to do like zombies, without their own thoughts during the games? Come on, amongst those millionaires, not one of them had the urge to just say to his teammates, "Guys lets try this one play, if we can score a goal from it, we will start playing the game this way, I will take the responsibility getting the scolding from the Manager" ?
Yep and how are we dripping too deep when our veteran players like walker/stones(won everything at man city) and trippier are all in the defence. They should be pushed right up forcing the rest of the team forward.
Palmer maino (And gordon when he eventually got on) were the difference makers in my opinion. He surely has to give them all starts or atleast a 2nd half to really get at a team and cause all sorts of issues. Very direct and young hungry players. Gordon and palmer have over 60 goal contributions between them last season in the prem, that isnt something to ignore
@@sdrp9539 And he played one of the only forward passes in the whole game. Straight to mainoo when he flicked it to kane and kane fucked it off the other way. Would you rather have an out of position foden dropping to the half way line and playing passy with the CDM's?
@@adamwright426 The same chance that Palmer dragged. I'd play Manioo and maybe Gordon, not because of his performance but because we need pace on that side. Palmer should get 30 min off the bench when they tire. Saka is too good defensively to leave out
(We) Slovenians celebrated because we knew we were through to our first ever knockout stages in a major tournament and you guys are talking like we celebrated just because we didn't lose against you lot and because you are the Mighty England. With all due respect but since we became a country in 1991, you've won the same amount of trophies as we have, zero.
Rice isn’t the player to play the first pass into, Wharton or Mainoo would be much more progressive. Rice is good at driving forward with the ball at his feet higher up the pitch, but getting him to make a positive forward pass from his own half doesn’t seem to come as natural to him
It’s crazy to think SG has the solution of the cdm right in front of him with Mainoo and Wharton as they are both calm on the ball. As Conor Gallagher isn’t the answer and Trent ain’t a midfielder.
@daedralord1 bruv what are you chatting he was a premier league level goal keeper for years with 8 England caps what are you even talking about, Dunning Kruger working at it's finest right here.
Just one thing: Slovenians did not celebrate because they drew against mighty England, but because they qualified for the next round! Same scenes happened for both teams at the end of Slovakia vs Romania... And how on earth do you not know who France beat in the 2000 final? The only major tournament won by a golden goal! After a last minute equalizer!!
It's evident that the established players in the group: Pickford, Walker, Trippier Stones, Rice, Bellingham, Saka and Kane have become a reflection of Southgate's drab personality. They're not exhibiting leadership when it's needed i.e. when the team drops deep after scoring. And the attackers seem to be playing safe, playing with fear and not taking risks. Compare the performances of these lot, to the energy, creativity and risk-taking that Palmer, Mainoo and Gordon showed on the pitch. The new players haven't had time to absorb Southgate's negativity and are therefore able to play with some flair and freedom.
No its purely to do with profiles of players. Gordon is the only what that runs at people and in behind. Our first team is just square pegs in round holes because they're the best players
He explains the game to those who don't see what the pros do or think. It's got him pretty far so far. Why is it every England fan is 'a grown man'-ie an expert? People on a long form pod, who've worked with England, can give an opinion we'd never usually hear. Fossie same when talking about players. I didn't think he was patronising...🤷♂️
@@hamonryechinaski180 I'm not talking about WHAT he's saying, I'm talking about HOW he's saying it. Two different things. You clearly don't get what I'm saying.
Saka created England's goal that secured the only win we've had so far in the tournament. He would have secured another goal yesterday if Foden had remained on side. It's a lot easier coming on as a sub against a tired defence than starting the game. You drop Saka, you're not going to win the game and you'll be out in a flash.
Sakas great but he's not that good he is not a must start when a player like palmer is ready to take his spot. Sakas been okay nothing more. I would drop foden and play palmer through the middle with dude next to rice but Southgates never gonna do that so it's Sara vs palmer and right now palmer deserves to play more
Arsenal fans typically overrating their players lol Who remembers when Tierney was the best left back, Ramsdale the best goalkeeper and partey the best CDM itw 😂😂
You should never feel better about yourself because other teams aren’t performing to standards as well. France playing at a lower level is nice, but it shouldn’t impact your game plan at all.
One thing i kind ask myself, is why bellingham isnt pulled back to play with Rice, since majority of his career he was playing as CM, played some as DM too, only in real madrid he got to play more forward. So if you'd pair him with rice, you'd have a free slot for Palmer behind kane. Would be definitely worth a shot i think
Honestly I don't care how its going for other teams as each are dealing with different issues. What concerns me the most is Southgates lack of leadership and vision. I think he is caught like a deer in the headlights when selecting the team. Not taking Grealish is something I didn't understand especially as Jack showed him in the game prior 'exactly' what options he can give Southgate. I am convinced he just doesn't seem to know what he wants - caught betwixt. I don't under estimate that he has real issues to contend with like out of form and tired players that he has to navigate. But his comfortzone is defence, possession and he doesn't quite know how to lead an attacking team, hoping for those moments of natural brilliance that he has relied on his whole England Managerial career.
Southgate needs a plan b,c,d,e etc ,if it's not working, the way you make it work is you make changes like change the formation, change who's doing what ,change where your attacking the most from ,change the roles of the players or change the personal on the pitch !!
Trent needs to play if this team wants chances, which they are desperate for. Play Walker on the left and Trent at rb. Mainoo in the midfield and Gordon on the left
Especially against the teams in our group it's easily worth playing trent at right back and walker left back. Maybe against better teams ita a problem but we've also got an easy knockout draw aswell.
@@jdogg448 Trent played rb against he best teams in world football and has won every trophy, I don’t get this argument about playing him only against weaker teams, he locked up mbappe and neymar when he was a teen
Seeing as England have to play Slovakia now and not the Netherlands, perhaps England can afford to "rest" Bellingham (looks tired), Saka (does not look fit) and Foden (who is away for personal reasons and not back til late). I would try Gordon left wing, Palmer as CAM and Bowen right wing. So far Englands attack has been disjointed, not creating much against so.called "lesser" opposition and general lacking. Putting in Gordon, Palmer and Bowen would mean having 3 players who are direct, who like to run and beat their man (Gordon and Bowen especially who will hug the touchline), who have been in form for their clubs and who will want to put in a shift and impress. They are direct, have pace and can score and more importantly they will be playing IN THEIR BEST POSITIONS. Put Rice and Mainoo behind and freshen things up. It is not rocket science. Just stop experimenting and play players who are in form and in their natural positions in a formation that suits them. Englands problems have been the imbalance in first eleven, players looking tired or players just out of form and Southgate has to stop being so stubborn and freshen it up. Things were so bad against Slovenia Italian TV said England were like "Snails on holiday" there was so little movement and desire.
What a beautiful time. Football every day. I have been somewhat disappointed by the quality of the games. The format with best number three's qualifying doesn't work. Hoping for some better games from the round of 16. The quarters for sure.
I have to believe that Southgate has not become incompetent over night. It has to be a genius master plan. We've qualified top of the group playing the worst football I have ever seen in my life. He's playing 3 right backs at once & 6 central midfielders including "Kane the striker". There's no pressing, no movement, no running, no ideas, no plan. SURELY this has been a master plan to make teams underrestimate us in the knockouts when we play full strength and with proper width and depth where we suddenly start playing with creativity like we've seen in the final 2 minutes of each of the group games. IT HAS TO BE!!! It's simply not true that I all of a sudden could do a better job than Southgate lmao I'm scraping the barrel but its my last hope!!! COME ON!!!
Southgate should have been shitcanned after the World Cup. What the hell was England thinking. They lost because of his tactics. They’re not scoring because of his tactics now. It’s not necessarily the players because he has them in the wrong positions. Not playing the space in behind and playing Henderson side/back pass football. The game changed with Palmer coming on. Kane cannot play with Bellingham……either put Jude in the false 9 or bench Kane. He isn’t getting service anyways.
First people complained that Kane wasnt coming back and helping the midfield and that he just stayed the whole time next to the defenders, then they complain hes in the midfield too much. Doesn't matter how hard you try, if they hate ya, they hate ya.
England has the La Liga, Bundesliga and Premier League player of the season (Bellingham, Kane and Foden) yet we've won one game and scored 2 goals against objectively easy teams. It is not good enough. England cannot progress to the quarters playing how they have so far. It's simply not possible.
The problem with Rice is he isn't "smart" nor brave enough with the ball so he either makes a brilliantly solid #6 which struggles to dictate the play or he makes a powerful #8 who gets up and back but won't ever set the world alight
It's not about individuals, its about the team, the strategy, the spirit, the tempo, and energy. Southgate and his "ZOMBIE" football should be consigned to the trash immediately.
everyone saying look at france and the dutch right but is that our group with our team with our manager STOP ADMIT HES USELESS GET RID OF SOUTHGATE IF WE GO OUT AND GET SOMEONE ELSE
What shite, start Mainoo 😂😂😂 who started against Iceland???? How did that one go 😂 English are clueless, your making your own problems it's embarrassing, Foden plays 10 finish, in every other team in the world, Bellingham is an 8, Gordon or Palmer left/ Should be Grealish or Rashford good luck
It's obvious: Cole Palmer lone striker - he's got a great shot! Eze and Gordon on the wings - they're rapid, direct and go past people. Foden AMF in the number 10 role. Gallagher and Bellingham CDM. Trent, Rice, Guehi and Saka defending and where Pickford hasn't been hitting those short passes, let's get Kobbie Mainoo in goal. Bit of a risk only playing 10 midfielders but I think Guehi's earned his place.
England needs to give manager job to one of uks top fm2024 players. Then we win. Southgate is a utterly useless manager....unable to change tactics..unable to motivate...is losing and leaves dubs on bench....makes mad squad picks...luke shaw??? As a nufc fan trippier does not have legs to handle goid teams at left back he will be left for dead. Southgate got job....how? Hes not won a thing. He is cluesless and it sums up the people in charge of football in england...with ffp protectingvtop 6...and hiringvyes men like southgate.
Ben you can't make excuses for England , a blind man can see we are not playing good & our players not playing to their full potential because of the way Southgate is asking them to play. Defensive dross how you can make Bellingham, Foden, Kane, Trent, Palmer, Saka, Walker etc etc look so bad is down to tactics the clown Southgate uses.
This is not a team. Everyone is obsessed with individual players instead of how the collective functions as a unit. They are a LW short and instead of adding one you want to take one from the RW. Genius. Will work perfectly with a RB at LB and a RB in midfield. Has any one thought about Harry Kane as the GK, obvious solution as he knows how a ST thinks and he simply must start. Only problem is he’s not a RB so might not be able to play in someone else’s position. What’s even better is the best RB doesn’t even want to play for this collective. It’s pretty bloody amazing when you think about it. 😂😂😂
If Southgate's going to play Kane ,play him as a Advanced Foward not a Deep Lying Foward ,you need him pressing that back defensive line and if he is offside a few times, who cares ? Harry is a great finisher and all he needs is one through ball or ball over the top and he'll most likely score.
Teams are not scared to play England anymore. Individually they are great players but when it comes to playing as a team they are just not good enough, obviously tactics an team selection play a huge part in that. To suggest that Slovenia we’re celebrating because the took a point of England is bonkers, they we’re celebrating because it’s the 1st time they have never got through to the last 16 of a major European tournament. If nothing was at stake for them in that game do you think the scenes would be the same, of course not.👎🏻
Against Slovakia it'll be the same eleven as started the first three except it'll be Mainoo in for Gallagher. Utterly clueless, no plan B, no plan A either.
Rice is not world class. No half turn, cant pass, can't get pass player, can't shoot, can't make long pass, can't dribble, only do side pass back pass to get good stats. And he is too slow.
Not one of you mentioned Mainoos introduction and the huge improvement on Gallagher... Just convenient to name their favorites. Sorry Ben I think you´ve got a good Pod but these are hardly pundits mate..
1 proven goal scorer at international level, no proper left back , no more than 4 players with long international careers etc... A wealth of talent ,but just no substance.... Its like putting a volunteer battalion of soldiers, against an elite battalion... Southgate is lost ...and i think hes lost the dressing room ...
England fans need to learn and sing Land of Hope and Glory, one verse ,that sums up everything we need to see. This is about England ,not the royal standard, it is representing under the flag of St.George. Play up,play the game. It is not just about the winning ,but how you play the game. Pauper or toff that is what being English is , on a sports field . Hope and Glory , that so far are not being shown . Sing it and remind them, or be free until you are just another financial slave to the bankers. I hope to here it loud and clear , instead of wishing the King all the best. It is time with the conservative bankers ,hopefully out of office ,that the same is done in finding our identity , missing so long to be honest . Be English and sing it instead of booing,please?
Praying he starts Mainoo and Palmer because they are not the amazing players they are being gassed up to be. Talented yes but far from brilliant. Mainoo poor when the ball is lost, jogs back which will cost us.
Who’s this absolute plum duff? Played well and got it tactically right in the first half? We had no chances no energy and no threat against a team 60th in the world. I’d be extremely worried if that first half is ‘getting it right’
Champions League level players managed by a poor Championship manager. The quality of the players gets them over the line against regular teams but England will fall short against a big team.
Rice played 8 at arsenal to add another player to contribute to the team with a 6. We couldn't play rice 6 because havertz was forced to play striker. This is due to jesus not recovering from a knee injury and nketiah good enough. Its nothing to do with arteta thinking rice is better as an 8
Southgate have to stick with his ideas. He just have to play players at their position. Mainoo at cm and e new Lb. Others are ok. Saka is better than Palmer. Palmer and Foden at the same team doesnt work. One or other. Foden right now is at a Top level.
Don't really understand the hype around Palmer in an England shirt. Gordon over Palmer all day long and keep Saka on the right. Kane and Bellingham looking leggy
Crazy that you guys are pros and us normal people are saying exactly the same, the lad in the white shirt in the middle echod every single thing ive said during. So infuriating.
Well we are all experts and Southgate is a chump. Don't buy it, we all have no clue how to manage a team. If we win the tournament then there will be no complaints about our style of play. However i don't see us winning any game specially against big nations
The gallagher love in needs to stop. He was ineffectual when coming on in both the first and second games. He was again ineffectual in the 3rd game first half. We've seen him 3 times now and he isn't the player to fill that spot
Met you at Birmingham Airport the other day mate in m&s 😂 realised after given I was at work how it might of looked 😂 top bloke though hope all is well 👍🏻
Spot on at 7 & 20 mins about T.Pulis monster mentality, "sweat buckets for 1 hr boys". Pickfords stupid long ball to rivals CBs is a huge problem. I want Ben Foster as GK. Watch Capello chat to Kaveh Solekah of Sky. Don Fabio mostly blamed JP for all 3 defeats in the last 3 cups. Especially Euro Final at Wembley. Also, Didi haman rip apart JPs lack of clam smart distribution. Pickfords stupid long ball to rivals CBs is a huge problem. I want Ben Foster as GK. Watch Capello chat to Kaveh Solekah of Sky. Don Fabio mostly blamed JP for all 3 defeats in the last 3 cups. Especially Euro Final at Wembley.
Spot on by Ben Foster. Pickfords stupid long ball to rivals CBs is a huge problem. I want Ben Foster as GK. Watch Capello chat to Kaveh Solekah of Sky. Don Fabio mostly blamed JP for all 3 defeats in the last 3 cups. Especially Euro Final at Wembley. Strecth the rivals defences with fast 1-2's & energetic runs behind to receive lovely passes from Trent.
Bellingham said on the England channel he was 'dead' on the pitch and the next day he clearly is shattered and should of been subbed. Probably affected England having someone feeling like that too. Should of made some more subs
First half got it right? Were you watching same game? Palmer, Mainoo and Gordon have to start next game.
I would start Foden over Gordon, he played well on the left, did 4 or 5 pin point passes that should have been converted, Gordon should have come on earlier tho tbh.
@@Long-Horse Hes played one pass to Kane this tournament!!!
@@Long-Horse Foden won't play next game I don't think, he's gone home for his newborn
@@Long-Horse
Considering foden hasn't been played in his correct position, at least foden leaving and going back to England for family matters
will force southgate to start Gordon on the left. As long as Gordon has a great game and effect the game in a positive way with
perhaps a assist or something like that, he could hold onto that position solving 1 problem. If that happens and foden does
come back it could force southgate into a situation where he cant drop Gordon, so he might actually have to use foden in his
favourite position, or use both Bellingham and Foden as rotation players. It could also force southgate to use Bellingham
alongside rice, which would free up the 10 position for foden and palmer. If foden doesnt come back, then we still have
Bellingham who could actually start playing well or palmer, who might be given a chance as a 10. Foden leaving could
actually accidentally fix England and force sothgate to make the right decisions. England might actually start to play at
their level.
@err4071 ah right I didn't actually know that.
Southgate is an ultra safe manager. He sets out teams not to lose. I don't blame him because every England loss is treated as the end of the world. Any mistake is held against that player by other club's fans forever. International football comes down very low in the priorities of Premier league clubs and fans apart from when competitions come round and then they are expected to win every one and when they don't everybody is surprised. This cycle is rather tiresome.
Gareth decided to go for a draw with 10mins to go😂 that was his plan 10mins before kick off😂😂
When did west ham gans become all the england fans 😂😂
21:31 Here’s a news flash, it really is not. Gotta stop overrating these lot, a team on paper doesn’t mean a thing when they don’t show they’re a proper team in a match. Also it’s quite clear that the Slovenians were celebrating going through to the next round, they couldn’t care less about it being against England lol
This was painful cant lie, and suggesting we played well in the first half is one if the worst calls ive heard in some time
Agreed what is he smoking. Actually pretty Worrying that someone can watch that game and come out with that view
Yeah there's some weird takes in this. Mainoo is not a like-for-like sub for Gallagher. We played faster in the second half, not the first.
Gallagher didn’t touch the ball in the first 10 minutes! Whatto - I’m not sure what you were drinking last night but your first half analysis is off this morning mate. 😮
lol big time
Admit he is clueless.
Yeah best defensive record in the competition. The ex G against is by far the best... he's a good chance of winning the euros.
They won't.
@@Thomas...191in the easiest group 😮
Best defence in the euros. Defence wins titles
@@Thomas...191in a group where nobody could score against each other and had the worst teams in it in general. Did you not think about this for more than 3 seconds?
Southgate is possibly the luckiest England manager in history. He's been gifted arguably the best squad of players the country has ever had. He's had the easiest tournament route in the last three major competitions, yet he has failed. Quite how he wasn't sacked, or had the balls to walk away after the Euro 2020 final debacle is proof the FA have some serious questions to answer on this saga.
He's reduced the best players in the Spanish and German leagues, and aguably the best player in the Premier League to league one players at best within less than two weeks. He's clearly lost the dressing room. The players look absolutely clueless on the pitch, even Harry Kane said in an interview that they weren't clear on how they should press.
This will not get better until Southgate is sacked, or finally realises he is managing way beyond his ability and does the right thing and leave.
In 2018 most of the media was talking about how poor the squad was. Some were predicting a group stage exit for England.
Gosh I can't wait for it to get better than SF & final of the 2 biggest tournaments possible 🎉
How are these the best players we've ever played had?? 😂😂 You can't be serious? Look at the players Sven had
First half got it right? As clueless as Clowngate with that take 😂😂.
Politicians, all of them. Obviously he might want a GK coach in the future. Cant ciriticize the politicians if you want a job with them
So many pundits seem to be back tracking. Southgate is simply not good enough
Said the point about Pickford during the Denmark game also - so many times, Foden, Rice etc would show for a ball along the floor from pickford, he would ignore and hit long, Kane would jump lose the ball and Denmark would come at us again. At club level big teams DCM show for the ball even with a player on their back, the keeper gives it and the team retain possession. not sure if its cos he plays for Evertona dn Dyche but he looks to hit it long as hard as he possibly can every time.
Please watch the game Declan rice marked himself for the majority of the game , he doesn’t know how to show for the ball , he actively runs behind their player who pressed so he knows he can’t get the ball , he hid the whole game
@@angusfraser5216 i agree re Rice, he did show at least once though - the difference between him hiding and Mainoo wanting the ball was there for all to see. Foden definitely showed for the ball though a few times. Roll on Slovakia where i will be showing a keen eye towards this issue.
@@petercampbe11 Yh but the only time rice receives the ball is when all 11 players are in front of him , never between the lines
Rice is shite but it's obviously a tactic and maybe it's because u can't trust rice under pressure with his back to goal.. it's like people complaining about Pickford going long from kick off, its not his decision.. hes been told that
In part that was because the distribution out of defence, and through Rice, was fucking abysmal. If I’d have been Pickford I would have been thinking about hoofing it as well.
Anyone else feel that the players are TOO professional? They follow what the manager told them to do like zombies, without their own thoughts during the games?
Come on, amongst those millionaires, not one of them had the urge to just say to his teammates, "Guys lets try this one play, if we can score a goal from it, we will start playing the game this way, I will take the responsibility getting the scolding from the Manager" ?
Yep and how are we dripping too deep when our veteran players like walker/stones(won everything at man city) and trippier are all in the defence. They should be pushed right up forcing the rest of the team forward.
Southgate, Mr Bean of football. What do we expect? What an utter joke!! Glorified PE teacher. Useless!
Palmer maino (And gordon when he eventually got on) were the difference makers in my opinion. He surely has to give them all starts or atleast a 2nd half to really get at a team and cause all sorts of issues. Very direct and young hungry players. Gordon and palmer have over 60 goal contributions between them last season in the prem, that isnt something to ignore
Gordon played 5 minutes…talking out your backside
@@sdrp9539 And he played one of the only forward passes in the whole game. Straight to mainoo when he flicked it to kane and kane fucked it off the other way. Would you rather have an out of position foden dropping to the half way line and playing passy with the CDM's?
@@sdrp9539 without nit picking the Gordon comment, it’s pretty spooky on for me
@@adamwright426 The same chance that Palmer dragged. I'd play Manioo and maybe Gordon, not because of his performance but because we need pace on that side. Palmer should get 30 min off the bench when they tire. Saka is too good defensively to leave out
I agree those 2 should play but they were both fresh against a tired side. Put Walker as a LB and Trent RB with those 2 on
Bit embarrassing to use terms like "quarterback"
The ball knowledge on that quiz was atrocious. Eder and Villa particularly
Topscorers this tournament also
Low block teams are easy to beat but youve got to move the ball around quickly and intelligently and with purpose.
(We) Slovenians celebrated because we knew we were through to our first ever knockout stages in a major tournament and you guys are talking like we celebrated just because we didn't lose against you lot and because you are the Mighty England. With all due respect but since we became a country in 1991, you've won the same amount of trophies as we have, zero.
Rice isn’t the player to play the first pass into, Wharton or Mainoo would be much more progressive. Rice is good at driving forward with the ball at his feet higher up the pitch, but getting him to make a positive forward pass from his own half doesn’t seem to come as natural to him
100ms yk watching Rodri for Spain really opens your eyes as to shite rice actually is on the ball .. I'd rather stones at CDM lol
It’s crazy to think SG has the solution of the cdm right in front of him with Mainoo and Wharton as they are both calm on the ball. As Conor Gallagher isn’t the answer and Trent ain’t a midfielder.
Ben talks to his watchers like we have just come out of the womb and have no clue about football
He really doesn’t know much himself. There are so many ex players with horrendous football knowledge and insight. Ben acts that he knows the game
He knows more then every England fan tbh @@daedralord1
@@daedralord1 😂 as if you know more. Get real.
@@daedralord1 Likely knows 100% more than you do..
When you get signed and play for top tier teams, feel free to run your mouth
@daedralord1 bruv what are you chatting he was a premier league level goal keeper for years with 8 England caps what are you even talking about, Dunning Kruger working at it's finest right here.
Just one thing: Slovenians did not celebrate because they drew against mighty England, but because they qualified for the next round! Same scenes happened for both teams at the end of Slovakia vs Romania...
And how on earth do you not know who France beat in the 2000 final? The only major tournament won by a golden goal! After a last minute equalizer!!
Thank you Captain Obvious.
Is everyone a Detective in Slovenia?
I would have never guessed that, wow!
It's evident that the established players in the group: Pickford, Walker, Trippier Stones, Rice, Bellingham, Saka and Kane have become a reflection of Southgate's drab personality. They're not exhibiting leadership when it's needed i.e. when the team drops deep after scoring. And the attackers seem to be playing safe, playing with fear and not taking risks. Compare the performances of these lot, to the energy, creativity and risk-taking that Palmer, Mainoo and Gordon showed on the pitch. The new players haven't had time to absorb Southgate's negativity and are therefore able to play with some flair and freedom.
No its purely to do with profiles of players. Gordon is the only what that runs at people and in behind. Our first team is just square pegs in round holes because they're the best players
@@123kaired It's that as well. They're not mutually exclusive.
They're all touting the line that criticism is unnecessary.
Please drop Bellingham and Gallagher. Mainoo and Gordon in. Foden to 10. (Bellingham & Palmer & Trent = supersubs)
Im an England fan... they have some of the best in the world,but cant attack... they pass playing backwards.
ben speaks to grown men like he's speaking to a toddler
He explains the game to those who don't see what the pros do or think.
It's got him pretty far so far.
Why is it every England fan is 'a grown man'-ie an expert?
People on a long form pod, who've worked with England, can give an opinion we'd never usually hear. Fossie same when talking about players.
I didn't think he was patronising...🤷♂️
@@hamonryechinaski180 I'm not talking about WHAT he's saying, I'm talking about HOW he's saying it. Two different things. You clearly don't get what I'm saying.
@@hamonryechinaski180 I also wasn't referring to England fans when I said 'grown men' - I was referring to the two grown men he's sat next to.
Some of the takes here are so dumb
Saka created England's goal that secured the only win we've had so far in the tournament. He would have secured another goal yesterday if Foden had remained on side. It's a lot easier coming on as a sub against a tired defence than starting the game. You drop Saka, you're not going to win the game and you'll be out in a flash.
Sakas great but he's not that good he is not a must start when a player like palmer is ready to take his spot. Sakas been okay nothing more. I would drop foden and play palmer through the middle with dude next to rice but Southgates never gonna do that so it's Sara vs palmer and right now palmer deserves to play more
Palmer offers sooo much more than saka for any team
By your own argument saka could be more effective if he came on as a second half substitute.
Total waffle you are clueless
Arsenal fans typically overrating their players lol
Who remembers when Tierney was the best left back, Ramsdale the best goalkeeper and partey the best CDM itw 😂😂
You should never feel better about yourself because other teams aren’t performing to standards as well. France playing at a lower level is nice, but it shouldn’t impact your game plan at all.
Makes me feel worse as its giving us another amazing opportunity which we're going to blow again!!!!
One thing i kind ask myself, is why bellingham isnt pulled back to play with Rice, since majority of his career he was playing as CM, played some as DM too, only in real madrid he got to play more forward. So if you'd pair him with rice, you'd have a free slot for Palmer behind kane. Would be definitely worth a shot i think
Which first half did y'all watch 😂
Honestly I don't care how its going for other teams as each are dealing with different issues. What concerns me the most is Southgates lack of leadership and vision. I think he is caught like a deer in the headlights when selecting the team. Not taking Grealish is something I didn't understand especially as Jack showed him in the game prior 'exactly' what options he can give Southgate.
I am convinced he just doesn't seem to know what he wants - caught betwixt. I don't under estimate that he has real issues to contend with like out of form and tired players that he has to navigate. But his comfortzone is defence, possession and he doesn't quite know how to lead an attacking team, hoping for those moments of natural brilliance that he has relied on his whole England Managerial career.
Grelish isn’t missed, city ruined him
Resign and just let the guys play without the pressure of trying to understand and implement his lack of direction
In all seriousness, I think we would play better if we trieed this and Southgate wasnt there.
@@smokeybarr It couldn't be any worse and if I suspect it will be better then it proves Southgate must go
Southgate needs a plan b,c,d,e etc ,if it's not working, the way you make it work is you make changes like change the formation, change who's doing what ,change where your attacking the most from ,change the roles of the players or change the personal on the pitch !!
Holly shit this whole thing was painful to watch… and they live off football apparently…
No we didn’t get it right first half .. Jesus wept.
Wear a suit and tie at the game against the Slovaks. Trust me. That will help.
Trent needs to play if this team wants chances, which they are desperate for. Play Walker on the left and Trent at rb. Mainoo in the midfield and Gordon on the left
Especially against the teams in our group it's easily worth playing trent at right back and walker left back. Maybe against better teams ita a problem but we've also got an easy knockout draw aswell.
@@jdogg448 Trent played rb against he best teams in world football and has won every trophy, I don’t get this argument about playing him only against weaker teams, he locked up mbappe and neymar when he was a teen
Seeing as England have to play Slovakia now and not the Netherlands, perhaps England can afford to "rest" Bellingham (looks tired), Saka (does not look fit) and Foden (who is away for personal reasons and not back til late).
I would try Gordon left wing, Palmer as CAM and Bowen right wing. So far Englands attack has been disjointed, not creating much against so.called "lesser" opposition and general lacking.
Putting in Gordon, Palmer and Bowen would mean having 3 players who are direct, who like to run and beat their man (Gordon and Bowen especially who will hug the touchline), who have been in form for their clubs and who will want to put in a shift and impress. They are direct, have pace and can score and more importantly they will be playing IN THEIR BEST POSITIONS.
Put Rice and Mainoo behind and freshen things up. It is not rocket science. Just stop experimenting and play players who are in form and in their natural positions in a formation that suits them.
Englands problems have been the imbalance in first eleven, players looking tired or players just out of form and Southgate has to stop being so stubborn and freshen it up.
Things were so bad against Slovenia Italian TV said England were like "Snails on holiday" there was so little movement and desire.
We need someone who can pass on half turn
admitting to being a cyclist is like admitting to being a nonce
4-4-2 only works when the two forwards run at players instead of wishing for the perfect pass
Ben : What Southgate has to do to WIN the next game...
Me : Leave
We really just need a natural kalvin phillips replacement. Then its really coming home
What a beautiful time. Football every day. I have been somewhat disappointed by the quality of the games. The format with best number three's qualifying doesn't work. Hoping for some better games from the round of 16. The quarters for sure.
I have to believe that Southgate has not become incompetent over night. It has to be a genius master plan. We've qualified top of the group playing the worst football I have ever seen in my life. He's playing 3 right backs at once & 6 central midfielders including "Kane the striker". There's no pressing, no movement, no running, no ideas, no plan.
SURELY this has been a master plan to make teams underrestimate us in the knockouts when we play full strength and with proper width and depth where we suddenly start playing with creativity like we've seen in the final 2 minutes of each of the group games. IT HAS TO BE!!!
It's simply not true that I all of a sudden could do a better job than Southgate lmao
I'm scraping the barrel but its my last hope!!! COME ON!!!
He's been like this for years, sorry to burst your bubble. It's only now media are finally criticising him.
@@hedakom Yeah, been like it for a while. Remember we got the euro final by scraping past Denmark in extra time with a penalty rebound.
@@SociallyAwkwardMisfit literally the softest penalty as well, we were lucky
Play Ollie Watkins that is what he needs to do
Terrible performance on the QUIZ. Wow
Southgate should have been shitcanned after the World Cup. What the hell was England thinking. They lost because of his tactics. They’re not scoring because of his tactics now. It’s not necessarily the players because he has them in the wrong positions.
Not playing the space in behind and playing Henderson side/back pass football.
The game changed with Palmer coming on.
Kane cannot play with Bellingham……either put Jude in the false 9 or bench Kane. He isn’t getting service anyways.
Lol the entitlement of English people is crazy, they didn't celebrate cause they drew with England, they celebrated cause the qualified for the RO16
yeah and how did they qualify for the RO16 ? by drawing with england
@@hedakom they would've celebrated the same if the played Norway and qualified for ro16.
First people complained that Kane wasnt coming back and helping the midfield and that he just stayed the whole time next to the defenders, then they complain hes in the midfield too much. Doesn't matter how hard you try, if they hate ya, they hate ya.
Declan Rice is not Iniesta
I loved at 6:50 when Ben explained Pickford's mistake and then the middle guy immediately repeated what he said back to him in twice as many words!
clueless like southgate
England has the La Liga, Bundesliga and Premier League player of the season (Bellingham, Kane and Foden) yet we've won one game and scored 2 goals against objectively easy teams. It is not good enough. England cannot progress to the quarters playing how they have so far. It's simply not possible.
The problem with Rice is he isn't "smart" nor brave enough with the ball so he either makes a brilliantly solid #6 which struggles to dictate the play or he makes a powerful #8 who gets up and back but won't ever set the world alight
Spot on
C- analysis as always gents, keep up the good work🙏
Worked for Dave Bassett 😂😂😂
It's not about individuals, its about the team, the strategy, the spirit, the tempo, and energy. Southgate and his "ZOMBIE" football should be consigned to the trash immediately.
Being poor and winning the group is universally disappointing 😂 despite the win. Come on England 🏴 step it up.. couldn't have a better chance!
everyone saying look at france and the dutch right but is that our group with our team with our manager STOP ADMIT HES USELESS GET RID OF SOUTHGATE IF WE GO OUT AND GET SOMEONE ELSE
plastic cups, not glasses....stop being silly ben
England have been playing vanilla football. No risk taking. No jeopardy. Sure it grinds out results but my god, it's insufferable. 😅
What shite, start Mainoo 😂😂😂 who started against Iceland???? How did that one go 😂 English are clueless, your making your own problems it's embarrassing, Foden plays 10 finish, in every other team in the world, Bellingham is an 8, Gordon or Palmer left/ Should be Grealish or Rashford good luck
It's obvious: Cole Palmer lone striker - he's got a great shot! Eze and Gordon on the wings - they're rapid, direct and go past people. Foden AMF in the number 10 role. Gallagher and Bellingham CDM. Trent, Rice, Guehi and Saka defending and where Pickford hasn't been hitting those short passes, let's get Kobbie Mainoo in goal. Bit of a risk only playing 10 midfielders but I think Guehi's earned his place.
England needs to give manager job to one of uks top fm2024 players. Then we win. Southgate is a utterly useless manager....unable to change tactics..unable to motivate...is losing and leaves dubs on bench....makes mad squad picks...luke shaw??? As a nufc fan trippier does not have legs to handle goid teams at left back he will be left for dead. Southgate got job....how? Hes not won a thing. He is cluesless and it sums up the people in charge of football in england...with ffp protectingvtop 6...and hiringvyes men like southgate.
Ben you can't make excuses for England , a blind man can see we are not playing good & our players not playing to their full potential because of the way Southgate is asking them to play.
Defensive dross how you can make Bellingham, Foden, Kane, Trent, Palmer, Saka, Walker etc etc look so bad is down to tactics the clown Southgate uses.
This is not a team.
Everyone is obsessed with individual players instead of how the collective functions as a unit.
They are a LW short and instead of adding one you want to take one from the RW.
Genius.
Will work perfectly with a RB at LB and a RB in midfield.
Has any one thought about Harry Kane as the GK, obvious solution as he knows how a ST thinks and he simply must start. Only problem is he’s not a RB so might not be able to play in someone else’s position.
What’s even better is the best RB doesn’t even want to play for this collective.
It’s pretty bloody amazing when you think about it. 😂😂😂
Jhon stons and gehi are yet to face musiala wirtz ronaldo silva yamal wiliams Mbappé...
Stop the overhyp that's why you don't win anything
If Southgate's going to play Kane ,play him as a Advanced Foward not a Deep Lying Foward ,you need him pressing that back defensive line and if he is offside a few times, who cares ? Harry is a great finisher and all he needs is one through ball or ball over the top and he'll most likely score.
Teams are not scared to play England anymore.
Individually they are great players but when it comes to playing as a team they are just not good enough, obviously tactics an team selection play a huge part in that.
To suggest that Slovenia we’re celebrating because the took a point of England is bonkers, they we’re celebrating because it’s the 1st time they have never got through to the last 16 of a major European tournament.
If nothing was at stake for them in that game do you think the scenes would be the same, of course not.👎🏻
Slovenia were celebrating because they qualified not because they drew with England 😂
Against Slovakia it'll be the same eleven as started the first three except it'll be Mainoo in for Gallagher. Utterly clueless, no plan B, no plan A either.
Rice is not world class. No half turn, cant pass, can't get pass player, can't shoot, can't make long pass, can't dribble, only do side pass back pass to get good stats. And he is too slow.
Not one of you mentioned Mainoos introduction and the huge improvement on Gallagher... Just convenient to name their favorites. Sorry Ben I think you´ve got a good Pod but these are hardly pundits mate..
1 proven goal scorer at international level, no proper left back , no more than 4 players with long international careers etc...
A wealth of talent ,but just no substance....
Its like putting a volunteer battalion of soldiers, against an elite battalion...
Southgate is lost ...and i think hes lost the dressing room ...
England fans need to learn and sing Land of Hope and Glory, one verse ,that sums up everything we need to see. This is about England ,not the royal standard, it is representing under the flag of St.George. Play up,play the game. It is not just about the winning ,but how you play the game. Pauper or toff that is what being English is , on a sports field . Hope and Glory , that so far are not being shown . Sing it and remind them, or be free until you are just another financial slave to the bankers. I hope to here it loud and clear , instead of wishing the King all the best. It is time with the conservative bankers ,hopefully out of office ,that the same is done in finding our identity , missing so long to be honest . Be English and sing it instead of booing,please?
Praying he starts Mainoo and Palmer because they are not the amazing players they are being gassed up to be. Talented yes but far from brilliant. Mainoo poor when the ball is lost, jogs back which will cost us.
We’ve gotta moved the ball quicker , sharp passing , make sure the ball gets to the man , and move our bodies faster run. Run run 🏃
Who’s this absolute plum duff? Played well and got it tactically right in the first half? We had no chances no energy and no threat against a team 60th in the world. I’d be extremely worried if that first half is ‘getting it right’
If England build the team around mainoo they can win the cup. He is the ONLY midfielder in the squad whos game is built to play through the line.
Champions League level players managed by a poor Championship manager.
The quality of the players gets them over the line against regular teams but England will fall short against a big team.
Rice played 8 at arsenal to add another player to contribute to the team with a 6. We couldn't play rice 6 because havertz was forced to play striker. This is due to jesus not recovering from a knee injury and nketiah good enough. Its nothing to do with arteta thinking rice is better as an 8
I don't think it's fair compare england's crap performance to two teams in the group of death. England are just not a football powerhouse.
Southgate have to stick with his ideas. He just have to play players at their position. Mainoo at cm and e new Lb. Others are ok. Saka is better than Palmer. Palmer and Foden at the same team doesnt work. One or other. Foden right now is at a Top level.
Don't really understand the hype around Palmer in an England shirt. Gordon over Palmer all day long and keep Saka on the right. Kane and Bellingham looking leggy
Crazy that you guys are pros and us normal people are saying exactly the same, the lad in the white shirt in the middle echod every single thing ive said during. So infuriating.
Well we are all experts and Southgate is a chump. Don't buy it, we all have no clue how to manage a team. If we win the tournament then there will be no complaints about our style of play. However i don't see us winning any game specially against big nations
Ben, listen! Go back to Wrexham FC now, they are in League One already, they need you!
Perfect game for grealish, he attracts fouls, and plays between the lines, and takes people on, and keeps the ball well, our ball retention is awful
The gallagher love in needs to stop. He was ineffectual when coming on in both the first and second games. He was again ineffectual in the 3rd game first half. We've seen him 3 times now and he isn't the player to fill that spot
Seems England players & coaching staff value stats above victory.
Met you at Birmingham Airport the other day mate in m&s 😂 realised after given I was at work how it might of looked 😂 top bloke though hope all is well 👍🏻
The teams that are doing well have players that will run at the back 4,This team is crying out for a jack grealish, or even a sterling!
Spot on at 7 & 20 mins about T.Pulis monster mentality, "sweat buckets for 1 hr boys". Pickfords stupid long ball to rivals CBs is a huge problem. I want Ben Foster as GK.
Watch Capello chat to Kaveh Solekah of Sky. Don Fabio mostly blamed JP for all 3 defeats in the last 3 cups. Especially Euro Final at Wembley.
Also, Didi haman rip apart JPs lack of clam smart distribution. Pickfords stupid long ball to rivals CBs is a huge problem. I want Ben Foster as GK.
Watch Capello chat to Kaveh Solekah of Sky. Don Fabio mostly blamed JP for all 3 defeats in the last 3 cups. Especially Euro Final at Wembley.
Spot on by Ben Foster. Pickfords stupid long ball to rivals CBs is a huge problem. I want Ben Foster as GK.
Watch Capello chat to Kaveh Solekah of Sky. Don Fabio mostly blamed JP for all 3 defeats in the last 3 cups. Especially Euro Final at Wembley.
Strecth the rivals defences with fast 1-2's & energetic runs behind to receive lovely passes from Trent.
You can say that again.
If I were Slovakia I'd really have a go at this England team. They really stand a chance at winning
Why can’t we sub Foden on for Bellingham after 60 instead of tryna force them both in the team
Bellingham said on the England channel he was 'dead' on the pitch and the next day he clearly is shattered and should of been subbed. Probably affected England having someone feeling like that too. Should of made some more subs
Anthony Gordon need to start on the left aswell.
Thoughts on Trippier being replaced by… left footed ex defender Saka.
Gomez could play it…..for him it isn’t out of position and he’s sitting on the bench for trippier who’s had a horrible tournament
Not fan of tomasi.. like watching paint dry 🤦♂️😴