Why Otto Warmbier Suddenly Died After His North Korea Visit (Clip)
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This is a clip from our conversation with a former high-ranking North Korean government official who defected to South Korea in 2016. Watch the full episode here: • Ex-North Korean Spy Re...
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1:57 "But how can you not get scared in that environment?"
Thank you for showing empathy. It was horrible what happened.
Man just casually exposed how NK has advanced bioweapons. Truly terrifying.
Intelligence agencies know already.
@@jmatt98 not only intelligence agencies knows. Quite of few number of people do as well.
Like America does not have them ?
we all know that the US, China, Russia and Iran also have these facilities
@@falconheavy595forreal hahahahahaa america also has the craziest stuff on earth
I remember the autopsy revealed something they didn’t understand. It was as if he lived long term in a low oxygen environment. No one understand how that’s possible and given the fact there was no signs of torture there was more questions than answers. One doctor stated “it’s as if he liven in a room with almost no air, very bizarre”
Years later Yeonmi Park was on Rogan saying about how they torture people and she said whilst talking about what it’s like living in North Korea, one punishment for anything bad is “they will put you in a room and suck all the air out. But leave just enough air for you to stay alive”
Which is exactly what the autopsy doctor years before said it would be the only thing they could think of, but did not consider that was literally what it was.
Yes, I remember hearing that too. Oxygen deprivation, hypoxia.
@@StarLight-sl9ok maybe he was locked in underground prison
I saw experience of guy who put his hands in glass tube and suck air out of it, and the blood in his hands would get so red and it like it will explode from pressure, I wonder if this can be used as method of torture!
Your idea makes total sense. No pun intended against the ex-North Korean guy here being interviewed as he can only tell the story from his perspective. The problem with injected or inhaled chemicals is that some of them can be detected during an autopsy if one carefully looks for those substances. Chromatographs can be so sensitive that even a very low remainder of any substance can be detected. I dont think that this is what the North Koreans wanted after releasing him back to the US.
Hypoxia sounds like a way that cannot be detected on the chemical side but leaves the victim unharmed from the outside look. Warmbier looked thin, skinny, pale, physically weak and broken but not injured when he was returned. So he for sure had less food. Hypoxia may explain his weak look due to muscle cell breakdown.
Another IMO likely possibility is that the NK let him starve. Starving people (to death) is cruel but requires no external force or "work" on the victim. That could also explain his skinny and weak look. Maybe they just fed him enough so that he will not die in NK. But once your body passes a certain limit of starving, you will not recover even if you get enough food after rescue. If starving is the cause then the NK let him starve beyond that physical point of no return.
Great point and very observant of you! I would say they did this as well as something else to him to ensure his death.
Admired how Stephen Park does interview. Fluent in English and Korean with deep understanding of US and Korean culture and most importantly, do not incite and calm, and ask thorough questions, leading interviewees to inform the audience.
Dei, vas simitha :)
Yes he is very professional
@Trinity M I'm glad you told that punk off
hes not have deep understang of korean culture though hes american
I can only imagine. If they are convinced they are releasing a spy alive but don't want to release secrets and also don't want a full on war.... some method of slow silencing would make logical sense as a tactic despite being incredibly unethical and messed up. Having him pass away on home soil is the least dramatic outcome politically but my heart breaks for him and his friends and family. 💔 The whole thing is just awful in every way.
Time to rain fire 🔥🔥🔥 on that entire illegitimate country and liberate the people
awful, sure... but then, you have to be completely dimwitted to think you can just roll up in North Korea of all places and get yourself a little souvenir or whatever retarded thing it is that he did. Man, with a brain like that he would've found his demise some other way. It's almost like he had it coming.
Exactly
I doubt they actually believed he was a spy tho
Is it that easy to escape from North Korea? So many "defectors" now and girls are all young and pretty, guys are all top secret spies...I dunno but
This guy is amazing, he is so compassionate and so well spoken, i am grateful we get to hear about north korea from north Koreans, and thank you asian boss for your content
Plot twist: Guy he is interviewing is Chinese who speaks good Korean. Heheehhoohoo.
@@DinoMan_6 무슨 개소리 ㅋ
@@DinoMan_6wow, that was so funny that I forgot to laugh 👏👏👏👏
Try again......or better yet, don't
This guy actually makes sense. Otto can't be a witness.
This man is really brave to discuss this.
Sad what happened to Otto. Why would someone even think going to N Korea. I would not step a foot there. Not for any reason
2:36 This is a great description of coercion. Many studies in recent years have shown how easy it is to coerce anyone into admitting to doing something they didn't do; it's one of the many reasons why confession alone is not considered sufficient in many country's courts. It's sounds crazy since it sounds like something you could confidently say you'd never do, but you're likely not any special in this regard. Unfortunately, such practices are still seen to an extent in some form in pretty much every country around the world still, but I do think there has been progress in this area
He must've thought that he could end his suffering from torture by confessing knowing that in a normal country his confession wouldn't be solid proof, but in north korea it was proof and they were willing to kill him to keep that proof from being contradicted, so his confession is what killed him
In the US confession is sufficient for capital punishment.
The sad part is he confessed thinking it would save his life, but his confession is what killed him
it's just a matter of time.. he's dead soon or later
Perhaps his confession saved him from worse torture or his friends also being arrested. We will never know.
At one point I wanted to visit that place to see it for myself, I'm glad someone talked me out of that idea. I was about the same age as Otto.
I have traveled a lot, and there are many places I still want to go, but North Korea is not on my list. It's one of those places where your money will directly support the regime.
Oooh no glad you didnt do that.
@@generalmartok3990 that was what ultimately put me off. There was regular tourism trips going there at the time. But in the space of time of me considering it an NK solider shot a tourist dead and that put a definitive stop to the whole thing 😬
if tourists behave and follow the itinerary, nothing will come of it like the other 10 americans in his group. it might be harmless fun to disrespect another culture but a slap on the wrist encourages many others to do the same. thais and indonesians have fought back against these unruly western behavior in recent years.
@@pepelepew1227 it's not about what would happen to you but where your money goes. The beautiful tragedy you see on tour is kept alive with the help of your money. The lives of the people suffering there don't get better because you popped by to 'enrich' yourself. It's like visiting a zoo.
Bottom line--don't go to North Korea on vacation if you're American.
Thank You for showing me why I should never visit NK.
I spent 6 months interviewing the men who rescued Otto Warmbier, with the exception of Joe Yun, who wouldn't talk to me. The bottom line is that no one will ever know. Full stop. The likely scenario was that he was administered a CNS depressant, then had a cardiac arrest from respiratory depression and was resuscitated but had anoxic brain injury. The North Koreans gave some possibility of botulism but that was unlikely. They submitted that he had received some analogue to Benadryl(antihistamine) and oral calamine. Oral Calamine doesn't exist in North America and the antihistamine was some North Korean Variant. Of Course anaphylaxis is also possible, but we won't know that. The pan scans revealed in America revealed nothing. MRI and nerve conduction tests did not corroborate anything. The coroner could come to no definite conclusion, but a true autopsy wasn't conducted. Many of the findings of torture may not be found over a year out but This scenario is somewhat consistent with what this North Korean Defector says( but he wasn't directly involved).
If the North Koreans have been as dedicated to chemical warfare R&D as this man says, I'm sure they've figured out ways to turn a man into a vegetable without leaving a trace.
And who are you ? What’s your name and do you have any published work ?
The only truth is that he doesn't know.
You make more sense than this North Korean man, the whole interview he was like, giving his personal thoughts, opinions, etc, conclusion: He doesn’t know anything what happened to the American, “ he said the young man was a chicken, of course he said that, he saw him cry on tv,” that is the closed he gets from saying something that is a fact. He doesn’t know anything, why did they interviewed him?!! For something so serious like a dead of a young person, Assia TV interview anyone that found on the street and said “I’m from North K. I was there when the torture Otto Warmbier”. What a shame, but what about the interviewer Mr. Park why did he continue with this interview, he should know better.
Succinyl Choline maybe? A lethal dose in a somehow time released method.
Very well constructed interview. Thank you for sharing your thoughts on the matter. Otto and his family are forever in our hearts. I'm so sorry they lost their son
Stealing posters did not help?
Let's hope that the people who did this will receive their well deserved penalty one day.
7:16 that's actually very concerning
NOTE TO SELF: Vacationing in North Korea is a very bad idea.
It's like going to Mordor or Azkaban for a holiday.
Exactly
you might end up like the american guy. dead.
Not if you stay sober and follow the rules outlined by the travel agency and the local guides
This guy is putting a giant target on his back by agreeing to speak against the North Korean regime. Takes balls to have that level of courage as NK has already shown that it has agents everywhere.
Thanks for the second half of the interview and what he says really reminds me of the stories of what my late father told me about what the communists in Vietnam did to torture and force people to confess to things they did not do and so much more. One of the things they did was starve people which was cruel but common. Injecting poison was not surprising either and that was what my family suspected as well. I feel so bad for him and his family and hope that Otto is in a happier and better place wherever he is at now. So tragic…. Hopefully no one will ever risk their life in North Korea again. I feel so bad for the citizens of North Korea. Hopefully there is a day they can live a happy, free and prosperous life.
Vietnam?
I thought pol pot did those things
@@Manuqtix.Manuqtix Vietnam did similar things according to my dad. He told me quite a few stories about what he saw and experienced.
@@TrinhNguyen-sh4fj interesting, I'm from an ex soviet country and the communists in our country did similar stuff. Vile people.
@@TrinhNguyen-sh4fj was that during the war or post war?
@@Manuqtix.Manuqtix My dad said it can happen at anytime as communists can punish you whenever they want to for no good reasons just like what North Korea did to Otto. I remember he said once my family was just having dinner and they knocked on our door. They took 2 of my relatives away and accused them of something they did not do. We then never heard from them again… My family never knew what happened to my 2 relatives.
A small dose slow release of certain mercury compounds could get you into vegetative state in a week and then sudden death after that without any trace or symptoms right after the injection.
There's an accident occurred with a Chemical professor from a well known Uni in US, she died from a low dose mercury poisoning. she thought the mercury compound molecules couldn't penetrate her gloves, she's wrong. She's in a vegetative state less than a week after the bioaccumulation phase, without any major symptoms in the day of her collapse into coma.
@GoldenSandwich that's pure mercury and some mercury compounds, in a slow release form, it won't reach your kidney until it's too late, won't be in your blood if it's tested a few days after inserted
@GoldenSandwich and if you're wondering, it's dimethyl mercury in a slow release capsule that I'm talking about. A pipette drop in a slow release enclosed capsule inserted to your guts is capable to do that with delayed poisoning feature. you won't detect it right away until the capsule is thin enough so the dimethyl mercury can permeate slowly, and when DMM changes to methyl mercury, it will be too late. Because methylmercury will affect your brain right away after it crosses the brain barrier.
If they never found mercury on him but could find on the prof, then its not mercury. Is that so hard to comprehend? Only other reason is that they did and US covered it up.
His state kinda sounds like organic mercury poisoning. But they would have known and would have tested for it.
She collapsed into a comma, wouldn't an exclamation have been better? Or even a full stop?
This is a very sensitive topic and it's definitely gonna bring the attention of everyone around the world. Kudos for the bravery to the both of you and stay safe, stay very wary at all times🙏🙇♀️🙇♂️🌞
lolno
RIP to the young American adventurer
When he said "they do a lot of R&D" it sent chills down my back. I get unit 731 vibes.
I was listening to Jocko on Navy Seal Weir training. He said everyone EVERYONE has a breaking point. No one is immune to torture. The most important thing is not to give up intel that would compromise other people. You can give up intel which is ultimately useless or non-productive to stall. You can also come up with believable lies which can also serve to stall for time.
The only difference between Otto and a trained Navy Seal is the time to be broken.
Trust me you will eventually tell them everything you know. There is no stalling or fake information technique that will last for a prolonged period of time. This is told to soldiers as propaganda. EVERYONE breaks under torture and no mitigation technique works in the end. Intelligence agencies know this.
You can give up all the intel you want that’s available online.
@@JRichard86 There have been examples of people who didn't break under such extreme duress.
Those people often wound up getting executed.
@@nonegone7170 I have a very hard time believing that. There is always another layer of torture that can go on and on. Not that I would personally be inclined to do so, but I think I could break any person given enough time. That would include the good cop, bad cop approach after a certain amount of torture.
@@JRichard86 Belief doesn't matter, there are documented cases of such occurrences during for example WW2.
They are the exception to the rule of course.
File this under Dead Men Tell No Tales.
How this guy, Chul-eun Lee manage to defect from North Korea is a miracle but thankfully he made and lived to tell the tale. In regards to Otto Warmbier, I heard a different story. RIP Otto.
Asian Boss is the boss again! Excellent and very important subject, questions, and interviewee. Very brave Boss - keep it up
This interview was very psychologically impactful for me. thank you
Actually, toxins that leave no traces are a very common thing and been around for ages. They used those in the Soviet Union too.
Going to North Korea as an American and stealing a poster of their supreme leader was frankly stupid. It's no different to walking into a bear's cave and poking him,.
Probably they were going to use Otto as some sort of ransom but they then decided that wasn’t going to work. So he was labelled a spy!
The whole video has parts where the NK guy explains that before every major diplomatic meeting, NK will capture and coerce foreigners to confess to spying, then use their release as a bargaining chip during the meeting. In this case, it was the meeting between Trump and Kim in Singapore.
The mysterious circumstances surrounding Otto Warmbier's death after his North Korea visit raises important questions about human rights abuses and the accountability of authoritarian regimes. Amazing story like this should be featured on OTR in the Philippines! :)
The N. Koreans probably put a bag over his head and deprived him of oxygen. No signs of torture and they silenced him. Why would they want to silence him if he wasn’t mistreated? What kind of sick games were they playing?
I just don't understand why people still go to North Korea? Or even go to the North Sentinel Island? The last person who went to that island was also an American. It doesn't make sense to me.
For adventure (?)
Probably to complete I visit every country on the earth challenge. For bragging rights. Completionist. Perfectionist. I'm not surprised. People are weird.
What caused the death of Otto Warmbier?
And a declaration filed by Daniel Kanter, the neurologist who was the lead physician for Otto Warmbier upon his return at the University of Cincinnati Medical Center, said Otto died of severe brain damage resulting from being deprived of oxygen, which was caused by “the sustained cessation of blood flow to the brain” ...Oct 27, 2018
I heard this as well.
Amazing interview 🙌
The headline is very misleading, it might be true, but even the person being interviewed cannot say 100% true.
60%-70% is already strong enough.
I think 70%-80% is far from enough because we are talking abt NK, and we all know how crazy the country is
@@bojongkia123from his perspective. He might be completely wrong.
Thanks!
Very Sad, Thank You for your program.
It wouldn't be hard. It would be given a drug so he would not remove remember anything. And put it on monitoring equipment, both cardiac and respiratory like one does for an operation
Then they would put an anesthesia mask on him, and dialed down the oxygen flow. They monitor his heart rate and respiration is to make sure they don't kill him but they keep his blood oxygen low for long enough enough to wreck his brain.
It could be done in any surgical operating
(I am a retired MD who has been a lot of operating rooms)
Warmbier booked his trip through an agency that “specializes in destinations your mother wouldn’t approve of”. Their motto was something to that effect.
Any innocent person tortured or killed is sad but he really made his own bed when he went to n Korea then disrespected their government. Something millions of locals are smart enough not to do.
This needs to be retitled "POSSIBLE REASON Otto Warmbier....." While this was a great interview, good journalism doesn't speak in absolutes when the person you're interviewing wasn't actually there and is only 70-80% certain. You guys can do better.
Totally agree but sadly this is RUclips and they need to attract people to watch or they let volunteers do the title that don't have much knowledge about this.
The defector is lying there is no poison whose aftermath can't be detected by modern autopsy, but there could be a chance of injecting air into his vessel ( normal air will do) it does put you into stroke which can leads to a coma and organ failure. Pretty hard to detect after 24 hours too.
Source me. Not doctor but I have learnt about it during my biology class a long time ago.
Also seeing how they broke this clip into a few enticing headline clips with catchy titles. It’s giving exploitation for views. Also don’t understand why this guy is risking his like with all this info
whoever has IQ +50 knows he was drugged ... possible? he was marked as SPY ... so you are going to tell me they will release a SPY with all infos? this is north korea wake up ... i was surprised he wasnt delivered without head
@@Rooted_Locs you need to read a little bit more about him or north korea ... one north korea defector girl - she said she went to hospital and next to a hospital was field full of corpses who didnt made it in that hospital, as you see every day corpses from people died on starvation etc etc ... this guy he even said if they kill him he is ok with that, at least he spread the news about how bad n korea is ... right now everybody EVERYBODY underestimating n korea - soon their nukes will be able to reach cities in US, not to mention their biochemical weapons ... n korea is poor? dream on - they making billions from making weapons and selling them ... they just dont give food to people so they are starved, starved means they have other problems then politics for example like "find food" yes you read it well, its a state where they starve their own citizens so they are too weak to protest ... many things happening there normal people cant even imagine
If they are scare of one American student trying to topple a whole regime, that just shows how threatened they are of America’s superpower as a militaristic nation
It's obvious what happened to him: they tortured him so he'd confess to something he didn't do, and then did something to him so he wouldn't live to tell the tale. _What_ exactly they did to him, we'll never know for sure.
Here's the most relevant question. Why would a regular citizen go to North Korea in the first place??
Otto Warmbier was never autopsied and the interviewer says that he was autopsied.
They could have also used some kind of sound wave like what’s been done to some people working in American embassies in Cuba and China.
Perhaps withdrawal from a substance could be the mechanism as well. Maybe harder to trace the absence of something. But, I’m not a toxicologist.
They knew he would die so they released him. It's like mockery !
Thank you for sharing, however this is frightening to think a country could be so vicious against human beings. I feel for the American family who lost their son. 😔
Cool.
Now look up how many foreign families lost a son at the hands of the good ol' US of A. 😆
Have you heard about the 200+ persons that received the death penalty yet were innocent in the US? How vicious a country can be against its own citizens.
It is the same in the US.
Rip Otto. Gruesome demise
The culture shock was so great his body couldn't handle it.
I still don't understand why anyone would be going into a hostile country it's like you know they don't like you they told you they don't like you your country said its a bad idea like how stupid are you to ignore so many red flags
Am I the only person in the world who had to watch lobotomy videos in middle school?
How has the cause of his death not already been so obvious? They literally describe post-procedure results as the patients being "vegetative."
It leaves no traces on the outside either. I'm guessing they did that no-air room for torture and gave him a lobotomy before sending him off.
Well said.
Thank You Asian boss for this info
He took a picture off the wall
It hurts to have your head repeatedly bashed especially in the same spot over and over. Not the job of any government to bash in heads.
Man’s bold for this interview. I don’t know that I’d have the guts to talk about this on record if I knew what he knows. Biological warfare is horrifying.
He said like 10 times that he’s on,y guessing he got poisoned, yet you keep asking him if he’s certain??
well… its sad his picture is used like that in thumbnail. his family must not have wanted that
I’m not Asian but I love your videos! Keep them coming
You're not? Then what are you doing with your life!?
Get out of here dude, you are not asian so you have no rights here.
Please keep him safe! He’s risking so much to give this information! I’m worried for him
Great interview
I can’t imagine what they did to Otto or why. He was just a kid. My son is the same age. I hope those ruthless, soulless, creatures find the mental and spiritual help they desperately need. I hope no other American sets foot on that corrupt and despicable land.
Maybe you should ask the US not to bother Korea?
North Korea deserves better
But going to countries like this as a Westerner as a choice and it's not a choice I would make
Otto didn't deserve whatever it was that happened to him certainly not for taking a poster but that's the kind of s*** that happens to you in North Korea when you take a poster
@@psylee8687 🤡🤡🤡
I think the most alarming part of this interview is the biochemical development and how they can actually destroy humanity. May God have mercy on us.
Very good interview.
And people have the audacity to say look for the bright side in life. Don't ignore the dark because it's spitting in someone's face.
Sometimes you have to know what you are looking for to see anything.
Thank you. Very interesting.
It's honestly scary to think that this is happening in north korea and that resources are put into the development of chemical engineering against humanity.
And you don’t think that the rest of the world, including us, has these capabilities?
We need to look a this in different wayy friend,,if north Korea don't have bio weapon and nuclear weapon there will be no more NK
America does it's biolabs in other countries, not justifying it . Just saying America will never let ethics get in the way of their military superiority and intelligence gathering.
This is propaganda by U.S government. Every socialist experience has been attacked and suppressed by them.
@@analyticalmindset very true. operation paper clip, we bailed out japans unit 731; the US has shown time and time that military intelligence is more important than any scruples
thiis has loads of bravery to talk about what he knew about otto
This is USA propaganda.
I was stationed in South Korea in the Army as an Intel Operative. Man oh man that regime is evil AF.
Riveting stuff. Good interview
Kim makes things and never is punished.
Bush invaded a country and never punished.
usa never punished for various warcrimes
unfortunately until China stops backing North Korea it is going to be an uphill battle
USA, Russia, China, Saudi Arabia, Israel and many more countries did those things and never got punished by anyone
Especially USA, China and Russia
Thanks
I don't understand why he went to North Korea. Even I know how bad it is and especially for Americans.
Having followed the Archie Battersbee case closely in the UK, I'm actually more inclined to think Otto attempted suicide by asphyxiation (hanging) and was stopped by guards, but not before brain damage occurred. There's definite proof the brain damage occurred at least a year before the agreed swap with America. Pyongyang was terrified and trying to hide his condition from America. There's a great writeup on this with lots of interviews and background as to why NK takes excellent care of white hostages, and indeed the excellent medical care they took of him.
Interesting. But it seems like a lot could have been cleared up if the regime just explained this is what happened. Sure, most people would doubt them, but I'm sure some medical examiners would see that it makes sense.
@@generalmartok3990 The ball is at NK’s feet. They should make an attempt to explain to the whole world which otherwise arouse deep suspicion against them.
@@bojongkia123 That's...what I said.
Except trying to asphyxiate yourself has been known to cause extensive damage to your throat and neck
It's not that people would doubt them - it's that they would be deemed incapable. I think they were afraid that individuals would question how they (under 24 hour surveillance) allowed a high security prisoners the material and time to hand themselves.
Why would someone visits North Korea especially if you are American. Other nations could face less consequences but for American they can be used as pawns. Considering that it is common knowledge why in the world would they visit there.
This dude is a legit spy you can see it in his eyebrows lvl 3 disguise
he is literally a formal elite north korean spy, that’s the title of the previous interview they had with him
That's a flat out lie. He was not a spy
They made sure he would be essentially braindead so he couldn't recount his treatment while detained. "You want him? Ok. Give us a few days first."
Is this man still alive?
This interview was fantastic and brings to light the darkness of how far North Korea is going with biological warfare. Very informative, Asian Boss!
I never thought about it this way but this makes sense. Initially I thought what happened was Otto tried to hang or suffocate himself and had permanent brain damage. But I didn't think that perhaps chemicals could be used to silence a witness.
North Korea thought the world, specially Americans a lesson and I see it’s been learned duly and diligently
I mean, how dumb would you have to be to commit theft in North Korea of all places?
My grandpa use to say…”You have no business where you’re not wanted.” Sad for this young man. Vegetative state…even his body atrophy? Evil bass turds.
How nice he still rocks the Kim Jung who haircut.
Obviously, they killed Otto slowly ..
This guy seems to still admire the regime.
Then you shouldn't rely on your intuition......
So sad.
Scary .
that korean defector is very handsome and cute too
He seems to be a very smart person. I wouldn’t doubt it if he was still an undercover agent for the North.
He was electrified
Some say it was as simple as botulism toxin rendering Warmbier into vegetative state which the regime could cover up by saying he ate poisoned food unwittingly. Botulism does contaminate food often in damaged tins.
Sad that he died but when your an American there are countires you should not visit and if something happens its your own fault.
Have a hard time trusting this
This guy is just as warped as the Nort Korean leaders.
The current state of North Korea is the result of what we did to them during the Korean war. Check out some interviews with American Korean war veterans. They're pretty open about the fact that they massacred children. North Korea wouldn't be anything like it is today if we had not done that to them.
Also, take his comments with a grain of salt, he wasn't directly there and is speaking from assumptions. For example, saying North Korea has advancements in bio-warfare that not even American toxicologists can detect the drug? I don't buy that.
But he was honest enough to admit that he ‘believed’ or ‘presumed’.
@@bojongkia123 Yeah, it's a nice way to avoid any responsibility in what he says if he ends everything with 'believed' or 'presumed'
He even said Otto confessed to being a spy during the trial which he never did because unlike him we actually got to watch the trial. Once he said that I immediately wrote off the entire interview he was clearly in the dark and only knows what he was told by NK.