Solving x^{3^x}=512 in Two Ways

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  • @VY_Canis_Majoris
    @VY_Canis_Majoris 2 года назад +26

    Simply rewrite 512 as 2^9 and 9 as 3^2 to find that x = 2

    • @gdtargetvn2418
      @gdtargetvn2418 2 года назад +6

      you still need to prove that x = 2 is an unique solution to the equation by proving f(x)=x^(3^x) is always increasing

    • @johnny_eth
      @johnny_eth 2 года назад +3

      That was quite ready to do just by looking at it .
      But it's interesting to know how to do it algebraically

    • @mcwulf25
      @mcwulf25 2 года назад

      Yes I saw that right away - he said some people would in the video.
      Can you prove its the only solution?

    • @VY_Canis_Majoris
      @VY_Canis_Majoris 2 года назад

      -I just looked at the graph in desmos to see it was always increasing-

    • @josukehigashikata1494
      @josukehigashikata1494 Год назад +1

      @@mcwulf25 3^x is always increasing and x is always increasing therefore x^(3^x) is always increasing which means it has one solution only.

  • @adogonasidecar1262
    @adogonasidecar1262 2 года назад +3

    While it's trivial, there is a bit of a method for a broader case. Right hand side is a power of 2, therefore x can be written as 2^y. Replace in left hand side, simplify, make powers of 2 equal, it's easy.

  • @neilgerace355
    @neilgerace355 2 года назад +6

    Maths students should have maybe the first 10 powers of 2 in their heads. Computer science students should have the first 16.

    • @CousinoMacul
      @CousinoMacul 2 года назад +4

      And anyone who's spent a significant amount of time playing 2048 will just know all those powers. 😊

    • @robertlunderwood
      @robertlunderwood 2 года назад +1

      @@CousinoMacul I spent too much time playing 2048...

  • @morteza3268
    @morteza3268 2 года назад +3

    To solve this question, knowing 2⁹=512 is enough.
    Then; x^(3^x)=2⁹
    If x=2 so 3^x=9
    Condition and result both have the same answer.
    In such problems, since the two sides of the equality are not intertwined, the condition-result theorem can be used.
    For example; xe^(x)=-1/e If x=-1 so e^x=1/e

    • @UneFenetreSurLeMonde
      @UneFenetreSurLeMonde 2 года назад

      I didn't aim to reply to you specifically, it's a bad smartphone manipulation from me. Sorry.

    • @morteza3268
      @morteza3268 2 года назад

      @@UneFenetreSurLeMonde ok, different analysis can be done but in the end you will arrive at the same answer

  • @Ghaith7702
    @Ghaith7702 2 года назад +2

    never been great at math . your videos are helping me out alot
    thanks

    • @SyberMath
      @SyberMath  2 года назад

      Np. Glad to heart that

  • @rakenzarnsworld2
    @rakenzarnsworld2 2 года назад

    Nobody:
    People who played 2048 a lot: That's too easy

  • @blaiseevens9053
    @blaiseevens9053 2 года назад +1

    3x=9 => x=9/3 = 3 try this

  • @stevenlitvintchouk3131
    @stevenlitvintchouk3131 2 года назад

    I did it a little simpler way than Method One, by taking logarithms to the base 2 instead of natural logs to the base e. Remember that log2 (2) =1, and log2 (512) = 9 (because 512 = 2^9). So the equation reduces to 3^x = 9. Now take logs to the base *3*, keeping in mind that log3(3) = 1 and log3 (9) = 2 (because 3^2 = 9). 3^x = 9 reduces to x = 2.

  • @PutXi_Whipped
    @PutXi_Whipped 2 года назад +2

    We know that x is an even number because 512 is an even number. 4^3^4 is too large but 2^3^2 is exactly right.
    For completeness, we also know that x is a positive number because the result is an integer (-2)^3^(-2) is not an integer (and 0^3^0 = 0^1 = 0)

  • @owlsmath
    @owlsmath 2 года назад +1

    Good problem! Thanks for the explanation 😁

  • @ekut1922
    @ekut1922 2 года назад

    While this equation happened to be something that I could very quickly visually solve by knowing the exponents of 2, but I enjoyed seeing how I could approach this type of question with numbers larger/more complicated than this (also when approaching this question before watching the video I completely overlooked checking if it has other solutions). Thank you for the great video

  • @Skank_and_Gutterboy
    @Skank_and_Gutterboy 2 года назад

    The answer becomes easily apparent if you factor 512. 512 = 2^9 = 2^3^2, that's how I stumbled onto the answer.

  • @foxhound1008
    @foxhound1008 2 года назад

    Devoted follower here, really enjoy your channel. A question on procedure. The reason you need to check if 2 is the only solution, is because you couldn’t solve explicitly for X, correct? You came across that 2^9 was equal to 512….and were able to manipulate the equation to an equality, which is why you needed to check to make sure the solution was unique. However, if you were able to solve explicitly for X, you would not need to check, correct?

  • @mahdiali4218
    @mahdiali4218 2 года назад +1

    Solve the equation Davide masi find the equation of circle inscribed in a triangle whose sides are lines line one x+y=8 line two 2x+y=22 line three 3x+y=22

    • @WahranRai
      @WahranRai 2 года назад

      Read my answer in your previous comment. Involve yourself and search google you will find what you are looking for

    • @morteza3268
      @morteza3268 2 года назад

      To answer this question, we need to find the intersection of the bisectors of the triangle, which is the center of the circle. Well, for this we need to use the property of the bisector, every point on the bisector is an angle from two sides of the same angle at the same distance. we take. Then, using the formula for the distance of the point from the line, we calculate the distance of the center of the circle from each line.
      L1[x+y=8]
      L2[2x+y=22]
      L3[3x+y=22]
      |3a+b-22|/(sqrt(10)=R
      |a+b-8|/(sqrt(2)=R
      |2a+b-22|/(sqrt(5)=R
      So {Angle bisector L2L3 }
      |(3a+b-22)/(2a+b-22)|=sqrt(2)
      |1+a/(2a+b-22)|=sqrt(2)
      and {angle bisector L1L3}
      |(3a+b-22)/(a+b-8)|=sqrt(5)
      |1+(2a-14)/(a+b-8)|=sqrt(5)
      To get rid of the absolute value, either you have to increase both sides of the equality to the power of 2 and... or identify the correct signs by specifying the vertices and drawing the triangle.
      So angle bisector L2L3
      a/(2a+b-22)=-sqrt(2)-1
      -2a/(2a+b-22)=2(sqrt(2)+1)
      -a/(b-22)=(sqrt(2)+1)/(3+2sqrt(2))
      -a/(b-22)=(sqrt(2)+1)/(sqrt(2)+1)²
      a/(b-22)=-1/(sqrt(2)+1)
      a=(22-b)/((sqrt(2)+1){Relationship 1}
      Also angle bisector L1L3
      (2a-14)/(a+b-8)=sqrt(5)-1
      (a-7)/(a+b-8)=(sqrt(5)-1)/2
      (a-7)/(b-1)=(sqrt(5)-1)/(3-sqrt(5)
      (a-7)/(b-1)=(sqrt(5)-1)(3+sqrt(5)/4
      (a-7)/(b-1)=(sqrt(5)+1)/2
      According to relation 1
      (22-b)/(sqrt(2)+1)-7)/(b-1)=(sqrt(5)+1)/2
      (15-7sqrt(2)-b)/(b-1)(sqrt(2)+1)=(sqrt(5)+1)/2
      (15-7sqrt(2)-b)/(b-1)=(sqrt(5)+1)(sqrt(2)+1)/2
      (2-sqrt(2))/(b-1)=((sqrt(5)+1)(sqrt(2)+1)+2)/14
      (b-1)=14(2-sqrt(2))/((sqrt(5)+1)(sqrt(2)+1)+2)
      b=(14(2-sqrt(2))+(sqrt(5)+1)(sqrt(2)+1)+2)/((sqrt(5)+1)(sqrt(2)+1)+2)
      b=(31-13sqrt(2)+sqrt(10)+sqrt(5))/(3+sqrt(5)+sqrt(10)+sqrt(2))~1.84
      And with placement 《b》in relationship 1 we have ;
      a=(22-b)/(sqrt(2)+1)
      a=(22-(1.84))/(sqrt(2)+1)~8.36
      R²=(1.84+8.36-8)²/2=2.42
      and the equation of the circle
      (X-8.36)²+(y-1.84)²=2.42

  • @dhampson545
    @dhampson545 2 года назад

    Don’t use ln().
    log_2(512) =9, so use base 2 logs.

  • @sonaruo
    @sonaruo 2 года назад

    could not use power rules to rewrtie as x to x to the 3rd power, then take the 3rd root both sides and end with x to x is a number which will be easier to solve since the other side will be

  • @natashok4346
    @natashok4346 2 года назад

    Thank you, very good method

  • @mariothethird5624
    @mariothethird5624 2 года назад +2

    does anyone know how to do
    Sigma,
    from n=1 to 2k of (-1)^n+1 * (2n-1)^2
    ???
    Wolfarm alpha can do it and its = 1/2 (-16 (-1)^(2 k) k^2 + (-1)^(2 k) - 1) but I couldn't find the explanation as to why this is the answer I'd really appreciate if someone is educated on the subject and can help me out

    • @il_caos_deterministico
      @il_caos_deterministico 2 года назад

      You can go by induction or calculate it explicitly.
      In the second case you should find out that the sum is equal to:
      Sum form j=1 to k of {(4j-3)^2-(4j-1)^2}
      Notice that the summatory changed from 2k to k since i compute two terms every time. I write The propg of this statement at the end of the comment.
      Then you have (after some calculation)
      Sum from j=1 to k of {-2(8j-4) } that leads to -8* sum from j=1 to k of (2j-1)
      It is known the the sum of odd sequential numbers is k^2 so you have finally -8k^2
      Demonstration of the first fact:
      Splitting the sum when n is odd and even you have:
      First case: n=2j-1
      Sum from n=1 to 2k-1 of {(-1)^(n+1)(2n-1)^2} that leads to
      Sum form j=1 to k of {(-1)^(2j) (4j-3)^2
      (Notice that -1 is elevated to an even power so is always 1)
      Second case: n=2j
      Sum from n=2 to 2k of {(-1)^(n+1)(2n-1)^2} that leads to
      Sum form j=1 to k of {(-1)^(2j+1) (4j-1)^2
      (Notice that -1 is elevated to an odd power so is always -1)
      Than you can sum the two summatories with index j and have the result i wrote above.

    • @il_caos_deterministico
      @il_caos_deterministico 2 года назад

      you can simplify the wolfeam alpha solution since (-1)^2k is 1 and the all solution is -8k^2

    • @mariothethird5624
      @mariothethird5624 2 года назад

      @@il_caos_deterministico
      Sorry I should have asked for something else,
      How do you simplify Sigma from n=1 to any number we'll call it k. Of (-1)^n+1*(2n-1)^2
      I'm really sorry Ive wasted your time by not making my question clear..

    • @il_caos_deterministico
      @il_caos_deterministico 2 года назад

      @@mariothethird5624 it’s not clear still.. i mean, the sum from n=1 to 2k is simply -8k^2, and i have given you how to compute it in the first comment.. you can’t really do something different from what i’ve done (separatong the sum in two parts, reindexing and put them together again)

    • @mariothethird5624
      @mariothethird5624 2 года назад

      @@il_caos_deterministico
      Well you see, I'm still in high school and Im not even supposed to learn these stuff yet but I'm really curious and want to learn about it.. what I'm trying to say is that I don't even know how to do a general simplification of a sigma going from n=1 to k of any sort of sigma and what I'm asking is do you know what it means to simplify a sigma going from n=something to k (meaning a general number and not a specific number)??
      And I dont want to waste your time but if you could just direct me to the right place/tell me what to search on google/youtube to learn about it I would really appreciate it. Btw thank you for even replying in the first place that's very nice of you so thanks.

  • @devondevon4366
    @devondevon4366 2 года назад

    x=2 answer
    512=2^9= 2^3^2
    x^3^x=2^3^2
    apparently x=2 since the base and the exponent of 3 are the same.

  • @ahmedbibalex
    @ahmedbibalex 2 года назад

    but if y=2 , what is value of x in this case ? how can we solve this problem ??

  • @thinkitwell8734
    @thinkitwell8734 2 года назад

    Me seeing 512: It's some power of 2. Maybe try x=2 and wolla it works 😃

  • @mahdiali4218
    @mahdiali4218 2 года назад

    Solve this find the equation of circle inscribed in a triangle whose sides are lines L1:x+y=8 L2:2x+y=22 L3:3x+y=22

    • @davidemasi__
      @davidemasi__ 2 года назад

      Note that R = distance from C(x0; y0) to each line

    • @davidemasi__
      @davidemasi__ 2 года назад

      Basically you have to find the equations of two bisectors and intersect them to find the center of the circle, then just use the fact I wrote in the other comment to find the radius R. Then remember that R²=(x0)²+(y0)²-c to find c and complete the equation which is:
      x²+y²-2x0x-2y0y+c=0

    • @WahranRai
      @WahranRai 2 года назад +1

      Find the 3 intersections A (xA,yA), B(xB,yB) , C (xC,yC) of the 3 lines : that is your triangle
      Compute the length of sides AB=c, AC=b, BC=a
      Recall the incenter I (xI,yI) (the center of inscribed circle in the triangle) is the *centroid of A, B, C with weights a,b,c* --->
      a*IA + b*IB + c*IC = 0 ---> projection on oX, oY etc...
      Use of Heron formula to have the Area of triangle ABC: Area = sqrt(p*(p-a)*(p-b)*(p-c)) with p = 0.5*(a+b+c)
      then the radius r = Area/p -----> equation of inscribed circle : *(x-xI)^2 + (y-yI)^2 = r^2*

  • @ganda3454
    @ganda3454 Год назад

    x^3^x=2^9
    x^3^x=2^3^2
    x=2

  • @davidseed2939
    @davidseed2939 2 года назад

    why take logs base e
    take logs base 2
    log_2x.3^x=9
    instantly leads to x=2

  • @UneFenetreSurLeMonde
    @UneFenetreSurLeMonde 2 года назад

    x^{3^x}=512;
    x should be > 0;
    x^{3^x}=2^9;
    if x=2 we have 2^{3^2}=2^9, so x=2 is a solution. Is it the only ? Yes because function x^{3^x} is strictely increasing obviously. Not a very interesting equation.

  • @sphakamisozondi
    @sphakamisozondi 2 года назад

    By inspection, x = 2

  • @SuperYoonHo
    @SuperYoonHo 2 года назад

    Thanks so much because of you i can i think go to mathematical olmypiad

  • @marklevin3236
    @marklevin3236 2 года назад

    Can there be a negative solution ? Taking logarithms makes sence only if x is positive
    .

  • @IorPerry
    @IorPerry 2 года назад

    I think would be more interesting x^2^x=512 without integer solution

  • @irwandasaputra9315
    @irwandasaputra9315 2 года назад

    x^3^x=2^9
    x=2

  • @kanguru_
    @kanguru_ Год назад

    x=2 by inspection.

  • @indusrealty4617
    @indusrealty4617 2 года назад

    x=2 x^3^2 = 2^9 = 2^3^2

  • @pulvinarpulvinar6749
    @pulvinarpulvinar6749 2 года назад

    And now please do the same But 511 on the right side, instead of 512

  • @rakenzarnsworld2
    @rakenzarnsworld2 2 года назад

    x = 2

  • @8mice979
    @8mice979 2 года назад

    lembart

  • @TechyMage
    @TechyMage 2 года назад

    2, guess and check u got me

  • @pranavamali05
    @pranavamali05 2 года назад

    Thnku

  • @김성우-d7h
    @김성우-d7h 2 года назад +1

    Too easy number to solve intuitively x=2 almost trivial

  • @indrajityadav9140
    @indrajityadav9140 2 года назад

    I solve it within 5sec.
    Without pen paper

  • @abhi38358
    @abhi38358 2 года назад

    X=2.

  • @barakathaider6333
    @barakathaider6333 2 года назад

    👍

  • @musicsubicandcebu1774
    @musicsubicandcebu1774 2 года назад

    1/2 raised to root 3 ~ log 2 . . . just an observation

    • @SyberMath
      @SyberMath  2 года назад

      Wow! They are pretty close