Just because the Church shows more grace to unbelievers than in times past does not mean We will tolerate These godless manipulators trying to put Us out.
"godless manipulators" that says it all lmao you are part of the problem and proved the guy's point. We need secularism it is absolutely important to keep superstitious ideologies in check.
A repeated mistake in this talk, sadly, is that it is about 'religion', as if all religions are the same. They are not. Some have much more emphasis in their central texts on violent conquest, violent punishments, and other acts illegal in the UK than others. Religions have some kind of 'back story' that, combined with their group nature (as explained quite well in this talk), provides a motivation for doing things according to the prescriptions of the religion. Then there are the specific prescriptions i.e. requirements for behaviour that are motivated by the back story, etc. Consequently, good and bad behaviour are not the result of exactly the same thing, inherent to 'religion', as claimed in this talk. The list of behaviour rules is also needed, along with the motivating mechanisms. Having said that, I do support secularism and the separation of church and state. I just think the arguments used here make some big mistakes in getting to the right conclusion.
Because state intervention in religious discourse will preclude the existence of equal public space in discussing matters regarding religion. I live in Indonesia and the state officially recognizes only six religions. Not only that, the 1965 PNPS act dictates the interpretation of religions in public discussion. You are not allowed, for example, to say that Muhammad isn't the last prophet in Islam. This is punishable by law.
@@billgreen576 You don't need a deity to have religion. Buddhists for instance. What you depend on for your substance, your personal rituals, ethics, etc. Everyone has religion.
@@divinenatureonline I was a Buddhist on my transition towards atheism because I thought that, but it does have gods, demons and all sorts spirit like creatures when you investigate further. Search wiki creator and Buddhism for further reading. Always happy to be educated but do not know of any religion that does not have some god and supernatural elements to it. As has been often said "If you could have a rational discussion with a religious person there would be no religious people".
@@billgreen576 Well, the Bible does teach that you will worship something. So naturally, if not The One True God, then yourself as a god. As the serpent told Eve in the garden, that she can know for HERSELF right from wrong. You have to make yourself a god in order to be ones own autonomous authority. 😀 Is that you?.. Are you making yourself god?
Won’t the concept of us vs them always exist as long as we exist?
Is the US secular when the DECLARATION contains several references to God?
You can be secular and believe in god.
@ the only time the constitution mentions religion is to say dont establish it.
@ there are plenty of laws that go against religion in a non secular country that wouldnt happen.
@@atheisth5066 Ok? I'm firm on my thought.
@ this isnt debatable America is secular.
Just because the Church shows more grace to unbelievers than in times past does not mean We will tolerate These godless manipulators trying to put Us out.
"godless manipulators" that says it all lmao you are part of the problem and proved the guy's point. We need secularism it is absolutely important to keep superstitious ideologies in check.
The reason religion declined in the US (at least) was because "the Church" was very _un_ -graceful to nonbelievers. Superstition bred irrational hate.
Uhhhh
⚡️ Secularism/Ignoritism a Religion/Ideology it is.
Lol it is what it is.
A repeated mistake in this talk, sadly, is that it is about 'religion', as if all religions are the same. They are not. Some have much more emphasis in their central texts on violent conquest, violent punishments, and other acts illegal in the UK than others.
Religions have some kind of 'back story' that, combined with their group nature (as explained quite well in this talk), provides a motivation for doing things according to the prescriptions of the religion. Then there are the specific prescriptions i.e. requirements for behaviour that are motivated by the back story, etc.
Consequently, good and bad behaviour are not the result of exactly the same thing, inherent to 'religion', as claimed in this talk. The list of behaviour rules is also needed, along with the motivating mechanisms.
Having said that, I do support secularism and the separation of church and state. I just think the arguments used here make some big mistakes in getting to the right conclusion.
All religion may not have the same deities for It was based on the same concept,.
Humanism is growing. A natural progression given the advances in the understanding of science.
The state should be free of religion obviously, but I want to know why you think that religion should be free of the state.
Because state intervention in religious discourse will preclude the existence of equal public space in discussing matters regarding religion.
I live in Indonesia and the state officially recognizes only six religions. Not only that, the 1965 PNPS act dictates the interpretation of religions in public discussion. You are not allowed, for example, to say that Muhammad isn't the last prophet in Islam. This is punishable by law.
Wtf is this guy.
Everyone has religion: Organized or individual. You can't escape it. Yours or mine?
Everyone has beliefs but not everyone has religion.
@@billgreen576 You don't need a deity to have religion. Buddhists for instance. What you depend on for your substance, your personal rituals, ethics, etc. Everyone has religion.
@@divinenatureonline Hindu's have 3 main gods which is where xtianity made up the trinity from and thousands of sub gods so you are misinformed.
@@divinenatureonline I was a Buddhist on my transition towards atheism because I thought that, but it does have gods, demons and all sorts spirit like creatures when you investigate further. Search wiki creator and Buddhism for further reading. Always happy to be educated but do not know of any religion that does not have some god and supernatural elements to it. As has been often said "If you could have a rational discussion with a religious person there would be no religious people".
@@billgreen576 Well, the Bible does teach that you will worship something. So naturally, if not The One True God, then yourself as a god. As the serpent told Eve in the garden, that she can know for HERSELF right from wrong. You have to make yourself a god in order to be ones own autonomous authority. 😀 Is that you?.. Are you making yourself god?
⚡️ Wây’Ânn’Ham Dîn/Halât’in la.
Cringe idea
Do you know the definition of insanity?
2:50 And how many of those blasphemy laws are from Islamic nations? I'd bet an overwhelming majority of them are. Not all religions are created equal.
@matthewensmann2672. Not only that, but secular governments all have their own blasphemy laws, which keep getting steadily more authoritarian.