Alternative title: Sam gets _bulleid_ by Bachmann’s new train set Edit: 42 likes, that'ss all I need thanks. The answer to life, the universe and everything.
@@SamsTrains it's a preweathered locomotive with the overspray being intentional, why not paint the cab as you want it painted and let's face it, train sets for beginners have to be relatively cheap at least to get new people into the hobby. The average person who's already into the hobby is pushing locomotives and rolling stock out of the range of beginners looking to expand their train set out of next to anyone's budget by asking companies to spend a lot of money and not expect to make a profit, which would allow them to expand their lineup.
I'm afraid the seem down the boiler did it for me, you can't blame the chinese manufacturing, they have been pressured into making a product for very little money. A good honest review Sam as per usual, we respect that.
You better not fix that engine before I can request it on stream with Dapol's amazing Egg Vans! It's stuff like this that made Botchmann the laughing stock of the market in the United States for some time.
Its one of the reasons why I have moved to European HO scale model trains. Roco and Fleischmann model trains are made in the EU and are better quality than the Hornby and Bachmann tack in my opinion. Botchmann and Hornby quality is not a patch on Roco or Fleischmann. Also NMJ model trains are made in Norway, so we have a choice. Either put up with crap quality or take another path and stop buying poorly made crap. I did the latter and the only made in China model trains I will buy will be secondhand until Hornby and Bachmann boost their quality.
20:39 The Bachmann diesel I got years ago for $40 (30 pounds) has a better mechanism than that, with TWO more flywheels. 9 years later, and it still runs pretty good (and it came from the days when DCC Ready wasn't a thing).
Ha yes! I remember that last train set! The Thanet Flyer does look like a nice train set with that livery. It's disappointing tho with the running issues however and for a new starter in the hobby, it will cause even more disappointment. Not a good start for any newcomer. Sloppy paintwork and performance issues are non negotiable really. Such great potential but execution let it down. Great review and content as always. All the best, Clint
Thanks Clint - yeah you're right, I'd feel sorry for anyone starting out with one of these - it could taint their experiences of the hobby entirely :( Thanks for watching - Sam :)
Great video sam'strains, the one thing creating these models is that they need to keep it simple, although the local motive steam engine looks amazing, I think they need to paint the cab inside to look the part as well, the best advice is to keep it simple but don't over complicated things. The model train looks amazing 😀
Thanks Daniel - they should keep it simple - the drawbar is a good example as that! Though the cab was too simple, lol! ;D Thanks for watching - Sam :)
A well considered and thoughtful review, thanks. Initially I was tempted as I have no Bullied coaches and the N was a great loco considering the the SE&CR was almost bankrupt when Mr Maunsel built it. Perhaps I can find better value but , like you, I did like the colour on the loco. In passing, you may already know that in 1937, knowing that Oliver was inspecting the Ryde Loco Works on IoW, Marjorie Bullied asked him to buy some green sewing thread for her. This was the colour he bought and Mrs B suggested that he should paint his engines in it. So that is why Henry Ivatt's daughter was responsible for Southern Malachite Green.(Wonder what would have happened if she had married Wm Stroudley)
@@SamsTrains If you liked this factoid, I am something of a Bulliedaphile so see what you make of this one. Apart from having the good sense to marry the boss's daughter, the great man visited Eastleigh Works to answer questions from disgruntled loco crews. He was asked "Why do your engines use so much coal and water ?" To which he replied : "Because I design them that way. Next." Salutae. Martin
This is why I intend to avoid Bachmann products ludicrously expensive especially when the detail and performance isn’t great. I wonder if they test these🤔 I just stick to Hornby Trains sets yes maybe basic and some do have traction tires on the loco but the value for money is way better. I agree with the ratings nearly on par of the 1361 by Heljan. Anyways great video Sam🙂
You're right to do so - the prices would be fine if their products had the quality to match - in this case, it very much didn't! Hornby train sets are far better quality (usually!) Thanks for watching - Sam :)
I say a train set like this is what I’m looking for. I’m not a beginner but an adult. I appreciate a good detailed locomotive as not ALL beginners are kids. Athearn here in North America made great starter sets with well detailed locos and rolling stock. Miss those and would like to buy a good British set! This is what I’d be looking for.
Hi Sam. Another good and honest review. It appears that the gap between quality and value for money is widening in the case of Bachmann. They seem to be cutting corners and charging ridiculous prices just for the sake of profit. Keep up the good work. Cheers Chris.
Sam love the vids. Yesterday I injured my foot really badly I also went to a local model railway shop and saw that train set and the underground Ernie it is scary in real life
Hi Sam, first of all. Thanks for another great review and for pointing out some truths about the quality of Bachmann and Hornby model trains. Infact its videos like this that concretes my frustration of poor tacky quality that Bachmann and Hornby think its acceptable to make us pay for crap. I am not prepared to keep paying for poorly made models and to be honest, this is the reason I am no longer getting any more model trains from Hornby or Bachmann for the foreseeable future. This is the reason why I moved over to European HO scale model trains because the quality is much better and the models I have bought so far have not fallen to bits or arrived with a broken chassis like the Bachmann Class 90's I recently bought. Those models are not cheap and this should not be happening. But they won't improve whilst we continue to put up with their poor quality. Most companies do not even care for the customer. So I take the same attitude with them.
Cheers mate! Yes I have a lot of frustration too - and things like this have been really getting to me lately - I'm cracking down! ;D Thanks for watching - Sam :)
@@SamsTrains The thing is Sam. We pay good money for these model trains. But we rarely get the quality that is expected in exchange for our hard earned cash. All the best Ash.
Here in the US we have some excellent manufacturers. I haven't bought a new loco that I'm not mostly happy with. Even used engines, though needing some work (such as cleaning wheels, touching up details, etc.), are a pretty good bargain. Train shows are great for getting some deals.
Sad to see all that room under the boiler and such a dodgy drive system. Bachmann will keep making nice looking overpriced cheap problematic overpriced junk as long as people are willing to pay for it. But as always, great video.
Talk of being in a bad mood, perhaps a story might make you laugh unless it scares you first. Sam was having a very bad day, due to his buying a train set that was way beyond his purchase budget. The Train Set in question was a Colliery & Quarry Goods set, complete with a small 0-6-0 Saddle Tank Engine of the Peckett B2 persuasion. The set had cost £289 to buy and he was almost in tears about it. Engine and 4 wagons out of the box, Sam had infuriating trouble getting the wagons to couple together, either by hand or backing the engine down on them. On top of this, the engine refused to crawl smoothly after being run in. Sam burst into tears, he was more upset than angry. "Why is this happening to me?!" he wailed loudly. "It's not what it should be!" Broome Manor and City of Truro, coupled up to a passenger train they were double-heading, chuffed up to Sam. They blew steam and soot up his nose, thus causing him to.... "Aatchoo!" ....sneeze. "Feel better?" chorused the Great Western Engines together. Sam looked down at them, feeling a cheerful grin spreading across his sad face. A laugh erupted from his throat. "I do," he giggled happily. "Thankyou for making me sneeze." Time went by. The 4 16-ton Mineral Wagons had a spooky effect about them, their colour was pale grey. The Peckett engine had been hurled down the ladder. 1361 the Ghost Saddle Tank Engine got the wagons and a grey Toad Van to behave. Sam's smile vanished as.... "AAH!" ....a girly scream of terror came out of his mouth. He'd uncannily put a Ghost Train together! He was whiter than a white sheet. Talk about scary.
I feel your frustration, Sam. I used to open and test all the locos before they went out of the shop just because there always seemed to be an adjustment that needed to be made. One time I remember a $300 loco made it half way round the oval when it stopped dead in its tracks! Heh heh. A long screw had been stripped when assembled and it fell out and jammed between the ties. Fortunately I was usually able to fix them myself and demo them in front of the customer so that we were all on the same page. I also remember a batch of turn-outs that wouldn't close properly and had to be slightly modded. There is really no excuse for that lack of quality control except that some bean counter determined that it is more cost effective to replace an item than to make sure they all work properly. This is true for a lot of products manufactured today.
Sam's Trains the fact that the tender is so light probably doesn't help. I do take issue with you saying that bachmann mechanisms are generally poor, all my bachmann models have brill mechanisms. Yes this one is bad, but it's not fair to say stuff like this when you obviously don't know what you are chatting.
@@stevelomas4119 im sure if hornby pays sam he'll probably not review bachmann products, plus he doesn't really hate them, just a bit of a poor quality on a high price.
H, if all your Bachmann mechanisms have brill mechanisms, you can't have tried very many! Mechanisms like this one are VERY common on Bachmann's steamers - and yes I do 'know what I'm chatting', because I own over 400 model locomotives, and have considerable experience with them. In case there's any doubt that I 'know what I'm chatting', here are a brief list of Bachmann locos with similarly poor mechanisms: Bachmann 4MT (tender and tank), Bachmann Patriot, Bachmann 4575, Bachmann 5MT, Bachmann WD Austerity 2-8-0, Bachmann A2, Bachmann A1, Bachmann 2MT, Bachamnn 4MT, Bachmann K3, Bachmann Jubilee. That's enough for now. All of the above have no tender pickups, no flywheel, no proper bearings and 3 pole motors. It is just my opinion of course, but I think it's more than fair to say that Bachmann mechanisms are generally poor - diesels excepted! I'm guessing you're kidding Steve - because on my last Hornby review (the large prairie), I slated Hornby too for the terrible quality! ;)
There are plenty of close coupling mechanisms around that work perfectly well. Bachmann even have one themselves on their Midland Pullman. It's as if they never even tested this one on the track.
I've been watching some of your videos, and something occurred to me that manufacturers should start doing. It isn't relevant to this model, but when you were looking at the Oxford models, all the videos I've seen you do on them commented on minor failings like plastic seams, and other things that could be corrected early in the process. I think model manufacturers should start doing standard and premium versions of each model. Use the same tooling, the same plastic and metal parts, the same good quality mechanisms, and price the standard version accordingly, but then put extra effort into the premium version. Pay someone to clean up the mold lines before painting, mask off areas to prevent minor splatter, add a bit of paint to the cab details, things like that. Maybe take extra time to do quality control on the fitted parts, adding glue from the inside to keep them from getting loose. Nothing that changes the identity of the model, just the sort of things that really speak to high quality. I think it would really help show buyers what you are paying for. Basically, show them that the broad strokes of a model can be cheaply mass produced, but if you want that high end finish, you need real people to put time into it, and that costs money. I know, not really relevant to this set, what with it having actual design issues and all, but it seems like that would be a great business move for them. For little to no extra cost, you can cater both to the low end market that can't afford high end trains, and to the high end market that expects near perfection in their models.
It's a treat for the eyes... 😂😀 Thank you for all your reviews, you save a lot of us from disappointment when unboxing new stuff. And still trying to pick out the best of the mess. 😷 Stay safe (and strong lol).
@@SamsTrains I had no idea Bachmann was still selling this loco and these coaches. they're very old and that price is crazy. I got an example of the first batch run of the N class... in 1998. yes it's that old (the coaches are around 5-6 years older than that!) and that first batch used inferior metal for the cast of the running board which warped so bachmann recalled them. I've still kept my example with the cab splitting away from the chassis because of this warp, it's a rare novelty. BTW you can do a quick fix on the tender connection by taking the plastic x connector out then take the wire from a bread tie and tie up the tender and cab together through holes which would've connected the water to the loco in real life.
That drawbar is a massive defect which has been on that model for nearly 15 years. My advice is to get rid of it and use a piece of multi core wire to connect the tender and the engine. It will make it more smoother.
I've noticed I can now add an emoji to my comments if I want to. Is this the reason why it took me three days to comment on your previous video I wonder? I think the Thanet Flyer train set would have worked better on my railway. I have 2nd radius curves, which all my models get round perfectly well. My floor is completely flat, no inclines. Your train set left a sour taste in my mouth, and I'm so sorry it's let you down. Take my advice, hurl it down the ladder. Then it won't taste so sour. Also I don't have any points on my railway, so I've suffered fewer derailments than you and only one crash. Perhaps an emoji at the end will match your sour mood.
I don’t get why everyone is calling it bad? It seems pretty good at 10 minutes. Edit: 20 minutes in, still pretty good. Edit: 25 minutes in, I can see why people are calling it rubbish.
This is why I have moved over to European HO scale model trains. I am done with paying premium prices for crap. Roco, Fleischmann and Piko are a lot better in my experience.
Hi Sam 🙂 Just wanted to tell you I really enjoy your videos. Usually I listen while I play Railroads Online!, EEP, or 3D Train Studio. I have 2 HO sets, I just don't have room to set them up 😥 I love all the models you show, maybe one day I'll expand. Thankyou for all your vids, very much appreciated. All my best to you Sir 😎
Shame about the OO N Class, the N Gauge version is one of my best runners and it seems to have much better detail given the size, even the cab is painted! Has tender pick ups and the price might be similar (I don't remember how much mine was when I got it). The way the glazing look on the OO version seems as if some glue has gotten on them. Am able to remake this set in N, though would be in BR Colours as while we have Malachite Bulleid coaches we don't have a Malachite N Class! Great Review Sam as always ~James
Hey Sam.... I’m a bit late to the party on this one.... But it’s quite interesting to see what British train sets are like.... As you know, I’m modeling Japan in N scale. I have 3 Kato Starter Sets, one each of these sets: JR East E4 MAX Shinkansen (bullet train), JR East EF81 hauled Hokutosei sleeper train & one JRF EF210 container train. All of the models in Japanese starter sets are identical to the main range, same design, details, mechanisms & decorations. Japanese trains, especially multiple units and dedicated train units like sleeper trains, are usually sold as base sets of 3 to 6 cars, with the extra cars in add-on sets to bring it up to the correct length. So if you want to extend the train, there will never be incompatibility issues as long as you buy the correct expansion pack(s). Basically what the manufacturers in Japan do for train sets is to package the base set of whatever train they’ve picked for that set with an oval of track & a power pack & controller. On a note about mechanisms, the “worst” mechanism I’ve got in my Japanese fleet is the Kato E4 MAX bullet train.... It’s a great mechanism, but in order to get a good mechanism into a double decker(!!) bullet train car and still have an interior with see-through windows on both decks, Kato has had to install the motor in one end of the car with only one flywheel.... So while it still runs well, it sounds like a mosquito buzzing down the line at high speed! If you couple two of them together, or couple it to a Mini-Shinkansen train (something JR East does in real life!), it does kind of smooth out the mosquito buzzing sound, though!
@@SamsTrains You’re welcome, Sam! Yeah, Kato’s reputation for excellence is very well deserved! Their models really are very high quality. Doesn’t matter if it’s Japanese, American or European outline, their reputation is very much deserved!
Sam. We talked about this. It doesn't matter if a loco has build quality issues, makes a lot of noise, or a tender draw that causes derailments. However disappointed or frustrated you're feeling, nothing warrants showing us footage of Underground Ernie. You'll scare the children and trigger PTSD in the adults.
On my Kato N scale Broadway Limited passenger set, two of the coaches are connected by a similar drawbar mechanism as the N class. In real life the the two particular units were drawbarred together. The drawbar mechanism works just fine- the coaches are close-coupled on the straights and separate without colliding in corners, with no derailments. It can be done, but Bachmann's inconsistency strikes again. There's good reason we Americans have nicknamed them Botchmann! Since you said you'd like to try a better train set, give Kato a look. I don't know what UK-specific products they make besides the N scale Eurostar, but Kato's mechanical quality is top-notch in any scale they make.
I had a Bachmann N class a few years ago. Beautiful model, in BR lined black with late crest and I had the same derailment problem, it is a common fault with this model. It was to do with the profile of the wheels on the tender. I swapped the centre and leading axles around and it didn't derail after that. Was a beautiful model and ran very well after I 'repaired' it
the loco looks great but Bachmann really are ripping people of with the n class how can a model with no cab detail , paint on the running board , a 3 poll motor and no tender pickups cost so much money ! Bachmann really need to revaluate their prices great vid sam : )
Out of curiousity, what do you think is the biggest factor in parts on an engine that will give it that 'smooth crawl'? I've seen old Triang 3Fs managing some slow, crawl-worthy speeds, then I see a brand new model like this that cant really manage it. Have you noticed any specifics that keep reoccuring in the 'Can't Crawl, Won't Crawl' models?
I think everything has to be right for a good crawl - you can't do it without a good motor, but a good chassis is essential too - any friction, and it's a no-go! Some of the tri-angs can crawl brilliantly, but not as well as some modern locos with 5 pole motors! I find flywheels, if too big, can ruin a crawl too - unless the motor is ultra efficient! Thanks for watching - Sam :)
Seems to me that Bachmann only tested this on the loop of track that comes in the box. The tender won't derail on that loop because it seems that the joining mechanism only jumps when the track straightens or changes direction.
Excellent review of the Bachmann train set that was not so much scary this time, but just annoying that it isn’t perfect train set. What I mean by annoying is the fact the N Class which looks lovely with that Southern green livery, is the fact that this model has three pole motor as well that tender keeps coming of the rails because of the link between the loco & tender.
I think that you summed it up perfectly Sam, beginners should have something rugged and reliable and not be constantly re-railing a brand new item.Regards Terry.
You're right Terry - if anything, models for beginners need to be even more robust and reliable than the normal range... not the opposite way around! Thanks for watching - Sam :)
I can't understand why they don't use the old tender connections that were used on the pre Bachmann owned mainline models. These were similar to hornby's Railroad tender connections.
If I had paid the full RRP I would have boxed it all back up and sent it back for a refund. Those bargain basement train sets that you reviewed earlier were of far better quality both in terms of performance and painting for a fraction of the cos of this. Another good honest review, Sam
I agree with you about the quality of this loco set-its not very good but don't get me wrong I would have sent it back or at the very lease contacted Bachmann about the tender/derail problems considering the price. I always appreciate your good and honest reviews so keep up the good work-but more diesels please.
Thanks mate - contacting them doesn't do much good, I've tried before re motors.... they just wanted to charge me even more money for the replacement parts! Cheers mate, really appreciate it! Thanks for watching - Sam :)
That's true - but I don't think I've ever needed to disassemble them! For how infrequently you'd need to, I think people would rather them just look realistic! ;D Thanks for watching - Sam :)
There were two influences on the design of the N class both Great Western and Midland Railway. Holcroft came from the GW and brought with him Churchward's excellent ideas on standardisation of parts, taper boilers, and long travel valves. James Clayton had been trained at the Beyer Peacock company, been a draughtsman at SECR then gone to the Midland Railway working with Paget on the high pressure locomotive. He was responsible for the design of the Somerset & Dorset 2-8-0 where he designed in possibly the best braking system of any locomotive in the UK at the time. He brought from the Midland the Walschaerts valve gear, Midland ideas of ease of maintenance and possibly why the chimney and dome are very similar to Midland locomotives. The N was very similar to the 2 cylinder K and 3 cylinder K1 class 2-6-4 tanks with common components. Bachmann are bringing out brand new Bullied coaches to replace the old models, which have to be at least 25 years old (they may have upgraded the bogies). They will be compared to the Hornby Bullied 57 foot coaches, which are some of my favourite coaches. However, Bachmann LMS Porthole coaches are nowhere near the standard of the Hornby Stanier coaches, which are the older older model. So let us see what a job they are going to make of them. I had thought of getting one, but you have changed my mind.
Fascinating stuff Don - crazy to think this loco has routes in the GWR and Midland - thanks very much for all the info! The new Bulleid coaches should be very good to see! Thanks for watching - Sam :)
Well,I suppose as an old saying goes,just because it cost a lot you don't always get a lot.😉I must say Sam that you were more than generous with your review on this one.Agreed,it looks good at a glance but not so much with closer inspection.It seems that in the model hobby world there are a series of compromises in quality(going on for some time).Even for RC flying models one can find some surprising goof ups that are frankly risky!I was viewing some videos on much higher end model trains($600-$1000 range USD) even those locos are occasionally plagued with problems with workmanship.At any rate,it's a pleasure watching your humorous and witty reviews!
You know that its depressing when the coaches perform much better than the 160 pound loco that is dauntingly pulling them along. Goodness! That tender is bound to cause a rail disaster. Great video as always Sam!
992 views so far! Nearly 1K! I think the inclusion of second radius curves is to cater for smaller spaces. I think, even for a starter loco, the N class is very poor. Thanks for another great review, and I'm looking forward to the last live episode of Series 9!
I think you are right. If I were a beginner it would put me off continuing with model railways. It's good you speak your mind down and tell it as it is.
Thanks Duncan - for sure - imagine being a beginner, and having this as your first taste of model railways? It'd turn you away :( Thanks for watching - Sam :)
Check out those lamp irons at 14:14, is that prototypical? They look humungous. Also the way they've mounted the motor at 20:13, I've never seen that before. What sort of gear train does it have? No need to pull the loco apart just to answer my question, maybe the parts diagram shows it.
I have an SR black N class (the Modelzone special edition) and it runs beautifully, certainly better than my Railroad Schools which bounces very unrealistically - it's pretty much balanced on its driving wheels!
Quite a fair train set review, Sam; sadly, the quality from this has dashed my considerations of picking this set up, despite how lovely that malachite green is on both the coaches and locomotive. A few things I noticed about the locomotive and coaches, and I believe you mentioned this in your review, is that the moulding appears to be of older models; brilliant insight to see that Bachmann was still leading in the moulded detail department when those first emerged from the factory, but the lack of realizing how backwards compatibility would affect their current products may have been neglected. Seeing the basic, yet more predominant, moulded detailing would have helped lower my standards for the set, yet as you said, the cost should have reflected that. An asking price for over £120 for a "standard" train set featuring a locomotive, rolling stock, oval of track, throttle, and adapter should include more rolling stock, or some scenery pieces; this set, despite the lovely livery, is a rather unpleasant, yet I will play devil's advocate for Bachmann in this regard. The lower detail and lower quality of the motor make it a decent starter set for one wanting to begin modelling with Bachmann, featuring their high standard for level of detail-- livery application (which needs quality control), sprung buffers, ornate liveries, etc.-- yet making the motor something relatively easy to run at high speeds, should the set be gifted to a younger modeller. Overall, I find myself disappointed that this costly set has such a low level of standards; daresay that their Station Pilot train set-- with a horrifying retail cost of £249.95-- should be the kind of high quality train set that should command a fair price-- nowhere near the £200 mark-- while introducing a newcomer to Bachmann quality and model railroading.
Thanks a lot mate - yeah I'd go Hornby if I were you - they're not perfect either, but the quality is much better! Thanks a lot for sharing all of these thoughts! :D Thanks for watching - Sam :)
Hey Sam. I live in America. When ever I first got in to model trains. I bought my first ever train set it was the Bachmann Thomas with dc sound it came with troublesome trucks one and two for $225
Most of the Maunsell locos were built without deflectors and had them added later. The SR type were wind tunnel tested and were as small as possible while still being effective - appearances were still very important!
I think the Bachmann N class model is a 20 year old model. Still you would think that they could reduce the price as they have paid for the tooling. Talking of Bachmann pricing I have noticed that Bachmann have brought out a new range called the EFE rail range which contains models made by other manufacturers one of which is a Heljan hymek diesel where Bachmann have added £30 extra to the price. There is also a ex DJ models steam locomotive.
Yeah others have said that too - I had no idea it was so old! Yes they certainly have - the prices are exactly what I'd expect from Bachmann, lol! ;D The DJM loco is also £50 more than it was too!
I remember when people were crazy about the idea of you getting a big boy but i don't know if it would make it round your layout. Anyways keep up the great reviews and stay healthy.
I fully agree Sam. Bachmann seems to have embarked on a new path of trying to get new model railroaders, who may not no better, to pay top price for junk. Back in the day, when I was a kid, I was loyal customer of the company because they made an affordable product that had some measure of quantity to it. A cheep product is all well and good IF it is sold cheaply. Bachmann however is now doing the exact opposite as of late. Even worse, they continue to raze their prices and lower quality, completely unacceptable!
Thanks mate! Yeah it's a real shame - it could seriously hurt the hobby couldn't it? You're right - cheap is fine, as long as it's cheap to the customer too! Thanks for watching - Sam :)
Going against current prices, £140 for this set isn't bad. Track would cost £20, controller £20, loco £80 for a decent but 2nd hand one, £20 each for the coaches. So thats £180 there. I have a br black N class, from when bachmann first went with a non-split chassis design but before they fitted dcc sockets (same as my wd 8f and my 08). The drawbar is a bit annoying, but i think I sorted it somehow. Mine runs half decently too. The coaches date from bachmann's early days, like the mk1 suburbans and thompsons. Although recently they have released a fully retooled line of bulleid and thompson coaches which are much better but also expensive. Bachmann have a lot to learn if they want to be in on the trainset market as much as hornby is.
Yeah - as I said, the RRP for the set was okay - I gave it 3 stars, middle of the road. Thanks for the info on the coaches - yes they are going on for 30 years old now! Thanks for watching - Sam :)
It would be interesting to compare with Hornby’s Flying Scotsman train set. Yes, the Hornby set has an RRP £20 lower, and it has three coaches rather than two. However, both the Loco and the coaches are Railroad ones. I believe the Bullied coaches are just older ones - the new ones have just made it to the tooling stage with Bachmann according to the latest magazine. They are certainly better than Hornby Railroad coaches. Having said that, I do think you’re right to point to the paint issues with the N Class as being unacceptable. I don’t model the Southern Railway so this set was not on my radar. Even if it was I don’t think I’d buy it now. However, it’s probably a 6/10 set in my eyes rather than closer to 5!
Can't crawl, very fast, tender flies off the track. Let's call it the Thanet Flyer! Would love to see the Bachmann interpretation of the Rocket. Great colour scheme though. Goes well on the N class.
How intriguing, it’s seems a few years ago Bachman USA released a version of this set for the US. It was called the “Irish Railway Train Set” it came with the same loco and same coaches as this but in a different livery. Except the American version came with 3 coaches. It was Still green but the loco and coaches had some Irish railway logos on them. It was modeled in HO instead of OO. Pretty interesting.
Yes you're absolutely right - different coaches though of course - I've often wondered about that set! I don't think the model is HO though (at least not the loco) Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Hi sam, lovely review, really enjoyed it. Its annoying it didnt perform as well as it could. I have just bought this set for £100 off ebay and intend to replace the tender coupling as it is a lovely video. Stay safe and keep up the great work. Jack
looking at that tender derailment & it looks like a lack of weight in the tender. Maybe adding a self adhesive wheel weight (as they use to balance car alloy wheels) to it might be a good idea. It's quite an old model (I remember these when I was getting into the hobby at the tender age of eight) but the N class itself is a very handsome prototype
You could be right - but I did all kinds of experiments with my Olive green N class before removing the drawbar - nothing I did alleviated the issue entirely! Thanks for watching - Sam :)
Just checked, the pipes are most likely to do with steam heating of the carriages, possibly overflow water or steam condensation? In days of steam locos heating was passed through the carriages, but with advent of deisels Steam generators were used.
Hi Sam, Buy a tin of that Malachite Green paint, and then you would have the best bits of that train set. Malachite Green in gloss, or at least a sheen, is a real pleasure. A derailing train, whether it’s Malachite Green or not, is no good. Happy modelling. Stay safe! Jim
If you want more of those coaches buy a second set and sell the loco on ebay, you could also autograph the loco underneath and do a video with a link to the auction
Hello. Would you be able to provide more info on the draw bar mechanism modifications? I bought an N class with the same issue and was planning on modifying it, but I don't really want to go into it blind. I tend to find that the pony truck also has issues on tight curves. not sure if this is caused by the tender too but yeah, any info would be very helpful. Thankyou
Bachmann either didn’t test the train or they didn’t care. Hard to accept. I love your videos and the manufacturer’s should be made aware that modellers like myself pay attention to your reviews and base our purchases on them.
Or both Robert, that's a possibility too! You're very kind mate - I don't care if they're made aware or not - if they don't improve things, videos and posts like this will hurt their future sales. I'm helping them by giving them a motivation to do better ;) Thanks for watching - Sam :)
lovely looking model - but the coupling between loco and tender - you are right "pants" you did a good engineering job to find out why it fails - clearly it stretches when under load - you would think Bachmann would have tested that ! also I think when offering only 2 coaches they should ensure there are plenty more produced to make it longer - I have the same problem with hornbys eurostar - just 2 coaches is not enough! but cant find more to buy
£139.95? You were stung! Kernow Model Centre has it for £134.95! I was tempted to buy this train set. I researched the coaches. Although Bachmann do Bulleid coaches, they do not do any which match the coaches in this set. The only way to get these particular coaches is to purchase the Thanet Flyer set. After the Schools class was introduced the N class was mainly used for freight work, but it was occasionally used for passenger work. Maybe that's why this time period was chosen? I think the problem with the tender derailing generally, and not just with this example, is with the play in the axles. You might be able to cure this by fitting brass bushes that are sold for this purpose. When the loco goes into a curve, the axles play across but get stuck when the direction changes forcing the tender off the track.
I think I paid even less than that - it was like £120 odd - but that was months ago, I think Rails was the best at the time of filming, but I might not have checked Kernow! That's very interesting - a good motivation to buy the set then?! Thanks for watching - Sam :)
@@SamsTrains Maybe that particular loco was a 'Boreman Special', such a loco being defined as having been found defective and sold to Sam's Train's for a knockdown price? Nice looking train, glass case collector's item, one feels!
Mine too. I removed the eccentric-driven tender coupling mechanism (which I guess is to help it around tight curves) and replaced it with a home-made hook and eye system which has cured the tender derailing and also allowed me to close up the gap between engine and tender.
In all honesty it should be said, MANY real steam engines (NOT Diesel!) actually had a seam running running the lenght of the boiler(don't know if the N class did) in order to both hold the boiler cladding in and to give the engnie a more elegant look, Stevensons ROCKET Hd its boilers outher cladding made of wood , They were held in place by boiler bands.
Alternative title: Sam gets _bulleid_ by Bachmann’s new train set
Edit: 42 likes, that'ss all I need thanks. The answer to life, the universe and everything.
Aaayy!! ;D
Yes your a genius
Aye, that be a reet canny joke!
lol
here, take 58 more likes and get the answer to life, the universe and everything squared.
Another 'Nice from afar, but far from nice' engine, I see. Tut, tut, Bachman, Tut, tut.
haha correct!
All my Bachman trains run nice and smoothly.
@@SamsTrains it's a preweathered locomotive with the overspray being intentional, why not paint the cab as you want it painted and let's face it, train sets for beginners have to be relatively cheap at least to get new people into the hobby. The average person who's already into the hobby is pushing locomotives and rolling stock out of the range of beginners looking to expand their train set out of next to anyone's budget by asking companies to spend a lot of money and not expect to make a profit, which would allow them to expand their lineup.
I'm afraid the seem down the boiler did it for me, you can't blame the chinese manufacturing, they have been pressured into making a product for very little money. A good honest review Sam as per usual, we respect that.
haha yeah - I couldn't believe that when I saw it!!
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
Yes, especially as so many high quality items come from China also.
I love when you do these train set reviews
Thank you! :D
Me too :)
Mee too
I love them too
Me to !!
You better not fix that engine before I can request it on stream with Dapol's amazing Egg Vans!
It's stuff like this that made Botchmann the laughing stock of the market in the United States for some time.
Alright there Satan chill out!!
Some people want to watch the world burn.
I'll join you and bring the popcorn
@William Babcoke that would be a sight to see.
haha good god - we're all deeply looking forward to that ;)
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
Its one of the reasons why I have moved to European HO scale model trains. Roco and Fleischmann model trains are made in the EU and are better quality than the Hornby and Bachmann tack in my opinion. Botchmann and Hornby quality is not a patch on Roco or Fleischmann. Also NMJ model trains are made in Norway, so we have a choice. Either put up with crap quality or take another path and stop buying poorly made crap. I did the latter and the only made in China model trains I will buy will be secondhand until Hornby and Bachmann boost their quality.
20:39 The Bachmann diesel I got years ago for $40 (30 pounds) has a better mechanism than that, with TWO more flywheels. 9 years later, and it still runs pretty good (and it came from the days when DCC Ready wasn't a thing).
Ha yes! I remember that last train set! The Thanet Flyer does look like a nice train set with that livery. It's disappointing tho with the running issues however and for a new starter in the hobby, it will cause even more disappointment. Not a good start for any newcomer. Sloppy paintwork and performance issues are non negotiable really. Such great potential but execution let it down. Great review and content as always. All the best, Clint
Thanks Clint - yeah you're right, I'd feel sorry for anyone starting out with one of these - it could taint their experiences of the hobby entirely :(
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
Finally! A (somewhat) professional review of this set. I remember when I first got into model railways I was close to buying this, but I never did
haha thank you! I think you did well to avoid this one - the quality isn't what it should be :(
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
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Great video sam'strains, the one thing creating these models is that they need to keep it simple, although the local motive steam engine looks amazing, I think they need to paint the cab inside to look the part as well, the best advice is to keep it simple but don't over complicated things. The model train looks amazing 😀
Thanks Daniel - they should keep it simple - the drawbar is a good example as that! Though the cab was too simple, lol! ;D
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
A well considered and thoughtful review, thanks. Initially I was tempted as I have no Bullied coaches and the N was a great loco considering the the SE&CR was almost bankrupt when Mr Maunsel built it. Perhaps I can find better value but , like you, I did like the colour on the loco. In passing, you may already know that in 1937, knowing that Oliver was inspecting the Ryde Loco Works on IoW, Marjorie Bullied asked him to buy some green sewing thread for her. This was the colour he bought and Mrs B suggested that he should paint his engines in it. So that is why Henry Ivatt's daughter was responsible for Southern Malachite Green.(Wonder what would have happened if she had married Wm Stroudley)
Thanks a lot Martin! That's very interesting - I never knew this, awesome! :D
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
@@SamsTrains If you liked this factoid, I am something of a Bulliedaphile so see what you make of this one. Apart from having the good sense to marry the boss's daughter, the great man visited Eastleigh Works to answer questions from disgruntled loco crews. He was asked "Why do your engines use so much coal and water ?" To which he replied : "Because I design them that way. Next." Salutae. Martin
There's also a story that the SR Board didn't like the malachite so asked Bulleid to tone it down. He agreed, and did nothing.
When I watch This Video I Lookout For churches And A lot Of beautiful Details In Your Layout Amazing Keep Up The work Sam
Thanks so much Mario, that's lovely to hear! :D
This is why I intend to avoid Bachmann products ludicrously expensive especially when the detail and performance isn’t great. I wonder if they test these🤔 I just stick to Hornby Trains sets yes maybe basic and some do have traction tires on the loco but the value for money is way better. I agree with the ratings nearly on par of the 1361 by Heljan. Anyways great video Sam🙂
You're right to do so - the prices would be fine if their products had the quality to match - in this case, it very much didn't! Hornby train sets are far better quality (usually!)
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
Great honest, if harsh, review. Thanks for being so open.
Thanks Nick - no problem mate - couldn't do it any other way!
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
Just bought a boxed N class today, malachite green £42. Brilliant runner tbh, a good bargain!
28:28 "....expensive sh*t...."
I know you wanted say that, i can feel you.
😂😂😂
Hahaha
XD
haha - "solution" was a marvellous save, even if I say so myself!
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
Me too
I say a train set like this is what I’m looking for. I’m not a beginner but an adult. I appreciate a good detailed locomotive as not ALL beginners are kids. Athearn here in North America made great starter sets with well detailed locos and rolling stock. Miss those and would like to buy a good British set! This is what I’d be looking for.
Yeah something like this would be better for an adult - though I wouldn't really recommend this one!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Hi Sam. Another good and honest review. It appears that the gap between quality and value for money is widening in the case of Bachmann. They seem to be cutting corners and charging ridiculous prices just for the sake of profit. Keep up the good work. Cheers Chris.
Thanks a lot Chris - that does seem to be true - it's a crying shame!
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
I see what you mean, I love that green too.
Hopefully with the amount of subs you have you can raise these faults for train companies to improve
Sometimes it does.
I hope so!!
35:46
Do I spot an S15 stripped of its number and distinction of ownership?
An N15 - absolutely!! :D
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
Sam love the vids. Yesterday I injured my foot really badly I also went to a local model railway shop and saw that train set and the underground Ernie it is scary in real life
If it were me, I'd regard injuring my foot as the better part of the day! :-)
Awhh sorry to hear that - hope your foot is better soon :(
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
Hi Sam, first of all. Thanks for another great review and for pointing out some truths about the quality of Bachmann and Hornby model trains. Infact its videos like this that concretes my frustration of poor tacky quality that Bachmann and Hornby think its acceptable to make us pay for crap. I am not prepared to keep paying for poorly made models and to be honest, this is the reason I am no longer getting any more model trains from Hornby or Bachmann for the foreseeable future. This is the reason why I moved over to European HO scale model trains because the quality is much better and the models I have bought so far have not fallen to bits or arrived with a broken chassis like the Bachmann Class 90's I recently bought. Those models are not cheap and this should not be happening. But they won't improve whilst we continue to put up with their poor quality. Most companies do not even care for the customer. So I take the same attitude with them.
Cheers mate! Yes I have a lot of frustration too - and things like this have been really getting to me lately - I'm cracking down! ;D
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
@@SamsTrains The thing is Sam. We pay good money for these model trains. But we rarely get the quality that is expected in exchange for our hard earned cash.
All the best
Ash.
Here in the US we have some excellent manufacturers. I haven't bought a new loco that I'm not mostly happy with. Even used engines, though needing some work (such as cleaning wheels, touching up details, etc.), are a pretty good bargain. Train shows are great for getting some deals.
Sad to see all that room under the boiler and such a dodgy drive system. Bachmann will keep making nice looking overpriced cheap problematic overpriced junk as long as people are willing to pay for it. But as always, great video.
Talk of being in a bad mood, perhaps a story might make you laugh unless it scares you first.
Sam was having a very bad day, due to his buying a train set that was way beyond his purchase budget. The Train Set in question was a Colliery & Quarry Goods set, complete with a small 0-6-0 Saddle Tank Engine of the Peckett B2 persuasion. The set had cost £289 to buy and he was almost in tears about it.
Engine and 4 wagons out of the box, Sam had infuriating trouble getting the wagons to couple together, either by hand or backing the engine down on them. On top of this, the engine refused to crawl smoothly after being run in. Sam burst into tears, he was more upset than angry.
"Why is this happening to me?!" he wailed loudly. "It's not what it should be!" Broome Manor and City of Truro, coupled up to a passenger train they were double-heading, chuffed up to Sam. They blew steam and soot up his nose, thus causing him to.... "Aatchoo!" ....sneeze.
"Feel better?" chorused the Great Western Engines together. Sam looked down at them, feeling a cheerful grin spreading across his sad face. A laugh erupted from his throat.
"I do," he giggled happily. "Thankyou for making me sneeze."
Time went by. The 4 16-ton Mineral Wagons had a spooky effect about them, their colour was pale grey. The Peckett engine had been hurled down the ladder. 1361 the Ghost Saddle Tank Engine got the wagons and a grey Toad Van to behave. Sam's smile vanished as.... "AAH!" ....a girly scream of terror came out of his mouth. He'd uncannily put a Ghost Train together! He was whiter than a white sheet. Talk about scary.
I wasn't in a bad mood! This set put me in one though! Love the story though - I feel better now!
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
Kelly you always put a smile on my face when you tell us your stories that you wrote☺️
I feel your frustration, Sam. I used to open and test all the locos before they went out of the shop just because there always seemed to be an adjustment that needed to be made. One time I remember a $300 loco made it half way round the oval when it stopped dead in its tracks! Heh heh. A long screw had been stripped when assembled and it fell out and jammed between the ties. Fortunately I was usually able to fix them myself and demo them in front of the customer so that we were all on the same page. I also remember a batch of turn-outs that wouldn't close properly and had to be slightly modded. There is really no excuse for that lack of quality control except that some bean counter determined that it is more cost effective to replace an item than to make sure they all work properly. This is true for a lot of products manufactured today.
Thanks a lot Dan for sharing this - I can't believe how common these problems seem to be! :O
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
I wonder if it’s something with the chassis that’s causing them to derail
It is - the tender drawbar - all in the video ;)
Well dang.
Sam's Trains the fact that the tender is so light probably doesn't help. I do take issue with you saying that bachmann mechanisms are generally poor, all my bachmann models have brill mechanisms. Yes this one is bad, but it's not fair to say stuff like this when you obviously don't know what you are chatting.
@@stevelomas4119 im sure if hornby pays sam he'll probably not review bachmann products, plus he doesn't really hate them, just a bit of a poor quality on a high price.
H, if all your Bachmann mechanisms have brill mechanisms, you can't have tried very many! Mechanisms like this one are VERY common on Bachmann's steamers - and yes I do 'know what I'm chatting', because I own over 400 model locomotives, and have considerable experience with them.
In case there's any doubt that I 'know what I'm chatting', here are a brief list of Bachmann locos with similarly poor mechanisms: Bachmann 4MT (tender and tank), Bachmann Patriot, Bachmann 4575, Bachmann 5MT, Bachmann WD Austerity 2-8-0, Bachmann A2, Bachmann A1, Bachmann 2MT, Bachamnn 4MT, Bachmann K3, Bachmann Jubilee. That's enough for now. All of the above have no tender pickups, no flywheel, no proper bearings and 3 pole motors. It is just my opinion of course, but I think it's more than fair to say that Bachmann mechanisms are generally poor - diesels excepted!
I'm guessing you're kidding Steve - because on my last Hornby review (the large prairie), I slated Hornby too for the terrible quality! ;)
There are plenty of close coupling mechanisms around that work perfectly well. Bachmann even have one themselves on their Midland Pullman.
It's as if they never even tested this one on the track.
I know!! Why use something so complicated if it doesn't even work?!
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
2:27 who bullied those coaches. Was someone saying nasty things to them or something 😂
haha!! ;D
I've been watching some of your videos, and something occurred to me that manufacturers should start doing. It isn't relevant to this model, but when you were looking at the Oxford models, all the videos I've seen you do on them commented on minor failings like plastic seams, and other things that could be corrected early in the process. I think model manufacturers should start doing standard and premium versions of each model. Use the same tooling, the same plastic and metal parts, the same good quality mechanisms, and price the standard version accordingly, but then put extra effort into the premium version. Pay someone to clean up the mold lines before painting, mask off areas to prevent minor splatter, add a bit of paint to the cab details, things like that. Maybe take extra time to do quality control on the fitted parts, adding glue from the inside to keep them from getting loose. Nothing that changes the identity of the model, just the sort of things that really speak to high quality. I think it would really help show buyers what you are paying for. Basically, show them that the broad strokes of a model can be cheaply mass produced, but if you want that high end finish, you need real people to put time into it, and that costs money. I know, not really relevant to this set, what with it having actual design issues and all, but it seems like that would be a great business move for them. For little to no extra cost, you can cater both to the low end market that can't afford high end trains, and to the high end market that expects near perfection in their models.
You mean like Hornby Railroad range versus theit Railway range?
0:35 oh god its back 😨
Yes it is!! :D
It's a treat for the eyes... 😂😀
Thank you for all your reviews, you save a lot of us from disappointment when unboxing new stuff.
And still trying to pick out the best of the mess. 😷
Stay safe (and strong lol).
haha sorry about that one, lol! Yeah - always got to find something positive! ;D
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
I was reading a review from 2012 and the first thing mentioned was derailing tender
haha really?! Was that from a magazine? If so, that's saying something!
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@@SamsTrains I had no idea Bachmann was still selling this loco and these coaches. they're very old and that price is crazy. I got an example of the first batch run of the N class... in 1998. yes it's that old (the coaches are around 5-6 years older than that!) and that first batch used inferior metal for the cast of the running board which warped so bachmann recalled them. I've still kept my example with the cab splitting away from the chassis because of this warp, it's a rare novelty. BTW you can do a quick fix on the tender connection by taking the plastic x connector out then take the wire from a bread tie and tie up the tender and cab together through holes which would've connected the water to the loco in real life.
That drawbar is a massive defect which has been on that model for nearly 15 years. My advice is to get rid of it and use a piece of multi core wire to connect the tender and the engine. It will make it more smoother.
You're right - how can they *not* have fixed it after so many years?!
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
I've noticed I can now add an emoji to my comments if I want to. Is this the reason why it took me three days to comment on your previous video I wonder? I think the Thanet Flyer train set would have worked better on my railway. I have 2nd radius curves, which all my models get round perfectly well. My floor is completely flat, no inclines. Your train set left a sour taste in my mouth, and I'm so sorry it's let you down. Take my advice, hurl it down the ladder. Then it won't taste so sour. Also I don't have any points on my railway, so I've suffered fewer derailments than you and only one crash. Perhaps an emoji at the end will match your sour mood.
haha you're right - what a lovely photo that is! I'm sure your railway would have been much better for this!
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
I don’t get why everyone is calling it bad? It seems pretty good at 10 minutes.
Edit: 20 minutes in, still pretty good.
Edit: 25 minutes in, I can see why people are calling it rubbish.
This is why I have moved over to European HO scale model trains. I am done with paying premium prices for crap. Roco, Fleischmann and Piko are a lot better in my experience.
haha yeah - it was (quite) good until the performance came along!! ;D
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
I recently discovered that the designer's name is pronounced "Mansell", even though it's spelled Maunsell.
I never knew that. Thanks!
Yes you're right - I'd been saying it wrong for years.... still gets me today! ;D
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
Well said Sam!..Bachmann are taking the Mick with this one!
Thanks mate, they certainly are!
Hi Sam 🙂
Just wanted to tell you I really enjoy your videos.
Usually I listen while I play Railroads Online!, EEP, or 3D Train Studio.
I have 2 HO sets, I just don't have room to set them up 😥
I love all the models you show, maybe one day I'll expand.
Thankyou for all your vids, very much appreciated.
All my best to you Sir 😎
Shame about the OO N Class, the N Gauge version is one of my best runners and it seems to have much better detail given the size, even the cab is painted! Has tender pick ups and the price might be similar (I don't remember how much mine was when I got it).
The way the glazing look on the OO version seems as if some glue has gotten on them.
Am able to remake this set in N, though would be in BR Colours as while we have Malachite Bulleid coaches we don't have a Malachite N Class!
Great Review Sam as always
~James
I've heard great things about the N gauge version too - great to hear that!! :D
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
Hey Sam.... I’m a bit late to the party on this one.... But it’s quite interesting to see what British train sets are like....
As you know, I’m modeling Japan in N scale. I have 3 Kato Starter Sets, one each of these sets: JR East E4 MAX Shinkansen (bullet train), JR East EF81 hauled Hokutosei sleeper train & one JRF EF210 container train.
All of the models in Japanese starter sets are identical to the main range, same design, details, mechanisms & decorations. Japanese trains, especially multiple units and dedicated train units like sleeper trains, are usually sold as base sets of 3 to 6 cars, with the extra cars in add-on sets to bring it up to the correct length. So if you want to extend the train, there will never be incompatibility issues as long as you buy the correct expansion pack(s).
Basically what the manufacturers in Japan do for train sets is to package the base set of whatever train they’ve picked for that set with an oval of track & a power pack & controller.
On a note about mechanisms, the “worst” mechanism I’ve got in my Japanese fleet is the Kato E4 MAX bullet train.... It’s a great mechanism, but in order to get a good mechanism into a double decker(!!) bullet train car and still have an interior with see-through windows on both decks, Kato has had to install the motor in one end of the car with only one flywheel.... So while it still runs well, it sounds like a mosquito buzzing down the line at high speed! If you couple two of them together, or couple it to a Mini-Shinkansen train (something JR East does in real life!), it does kind of smooth out the mosquito buzzing sound, though!
Hey Ewan, thanks for sharing! I've heard good things about Kato, are they good?
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
@@SamsTrains You’re welcome, Sam! Yeah, Kato’s reputation for excellence is very well deserved! Their models really are very high quality. Doesn’t matter if it’s Japanese, American or European outline, their reputation is very much deserved!
Sam. We talked about this. It doesn't matter if a loco has build quality issues, makes a lot of noise, or a tender draw that causes derailments. However disappointed or frustrated you're feeling, nothing warrants showing us footage of Underground Ernie. You'll scare the children and trigger PTSD in the adults.
haha you are right John, I'm ashamed of that. Thank you for your rightly punishing words.
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
34:07
Sam: "it's a lemon!"
Me: **Cars 3 memories**
haha! ;D
On my Kato N scale Broadway Limited passenger set, two of the coaches are connected by a similar drawbar mechanism as the N class. In real life the the two particular units were drawbarred together. The drawbar mechanism works just fine- the coaches are close-coupled on the straights and separate without colliding in corners, with no derailments. It can be done, but Bachmann's inconsistency strikes again. There's good reason we Americans have nicknamed them Botchmann!
Since you said you'd like to try a better train set, give Kato a look. I don't know what UK-specific products they make besides the N scale Eurostar, but Kato's mechanical quality is top-notch in any scale they make.
Ahh very interesting - glad to hear Kato got this right then, lol! ;D
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
I had a Bachmann N class a few years ago.
Beautiful model, in BR lined black with late crest and I had the same derailment problem, it is a common fault with this model.
It was to do with the profile of the wheels on the tender.
I swapped the centre and leading axles around and it didn't derail after that.
Was a beautiful model and ran very well after I 'repaired' it
Yep - it certainly is a common fault! Thanks a lot for the info - that's very interesting!
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
the loco looks great but Bachmann really are ripping people of with the n class how can a model with no cab detail , paint on the running board , a 3 poll motor and no tender pickups cost so much money ! Bachmann really need to revaluate their prices great vid sam : )
Yeah you're probably right - still not worth their RRP!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
I always look forward to these reviews! Great job!
Thanks Dom! Hope you like this one! :D
Darn Bachmann and the tender coupling.
I know it! :O
Out of curiousity, what do you think is the biggest factor in parts on an engine that will give it that 'smooth crawl'? I've seen old Triang 3Fs managing some slow, crawl-worthy speeds, then I see a brand new model like this that cant really manage it. Have you noticed any specifics that keep reoccuring in the 'Can't Crawl, Won't Crawl' models?
I think everything has to be right for a good crawl - you can't do it without a good motor, but a good chassis is essential too - any friction, and it's a no-go! Some of the tri-angs can crawl brilliantly, but not as well as some modern locos with 5 pole motors! I find flywheels, if too big, can ruin a crawl too - unless the motor is ultra efficient!
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
Your spot on sam , not harsh at all I'm tired of buying expensive crap at this stage, especially from hornby and Bachmann, great review 👍
Thanks Ciaran - yeah I'm tired too - this Bachmann stuff costs me a fortune, and I'm rarely satisfied with it!!
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
Seems to me that Bachmann only tested this on the loop of track that comes in the box. The tender won't derail on that loop because it seems that the joining mechanism only jumps when the track straightens or changes direction.
Excellent review of the Bachmann train set that was not so much scary this time, but just annoying that it isn’t perfect train set.
What I mean by annoying is the fact the N Class which looks lovely with that Southern green livery, is the fact that this model has three pole motor as well that tender keeps coming of the rails because of the link between the loco & tender.
Thanks a lot Joe - yeah you're right, a very different set, lol! Yeah - not a good design that :(
This engine hits all the right aesthetics for me
I think that you summed it up perfectly Sam, beginners should have something rugged and reliable and not be constantly re-railing a brand new item.Regards Terry.
You're right Terry - if anything, models for beginners need to be even more robust and reliable than the normal range... not the opposite way around!
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
I own the N Class myself. I got SO sick of that god awful tender loco connection that I cut it off and modified it myself.
Works better now.
I can't understand why they don't use the old tender connections that were used on the pre Bachmann owned mainline models. These were similar to hornby's Railroad tender connections.
haha yeah me too - if it doesn't work (like every other model ever), then why use it?!?
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
If I had paid the full RRP I would have boxed it all back up and sent it back for a refund. Those bargain basement train sets that you reviewed earlier were of far better quality both in terms of performance and painting for a fraction of the cos of this. Another good honest review, Sam
Oh yeah me too - I'm glad I didn't pay more than I did!
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I agree with you about the quality of this loco set-its not very good but don't get me wrong I would have sent it back or at the very lease contacted Bachmann about the tender/derail problems considering the price. I always appreciate your good and honest reviews so keep up the good work-but more diesels please.
Thanks mate - contacting them doesn't do much good, I've tried before re motors.... they just wanted to charge me even more money for the replacement parts! Cheers mate, really appreciate it!
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
You call it how it is and I respect that.
Thanks Donald! :D
In all fairness, the visible screws on the drive rods arent a negative, it makes disassembly much much easier than using rivets.
That's true - but I don't think I've ever needed to disassemble them! For how infrequently you'd need to, I think people would rather them just look realistic! ;D
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
There were two influences on the design of the N class both Great Western and Midland Railway. Holcroft came from the GW and brought with him Churchward's excellent ideas on standardisation of parts, taper boilers, and long travel valves. James Clayton had been trained at the Beyer Peacock company, been a draughtsman at SECR then gone to the Midland Railway working with Paget on the high pressure locomotive. He was responsible for the design of the Somerset & Dorset 2-8-0 where he designed in possibly the best braking system of any locomotive in the UK at the time. He brought from the Midland the Walschaerts valve gear, Midland ideas of ease of maintenance and possibly why the chimney and dome are very similar to Midland locomotives. The N was very similar to the 2 cylinder K and 3 cylinder K1 class 2-6-4 tanks with common components. Bachmann are bringing out brand new Bullied coaches to replace the old models, which have to be at least 25 years old (they may have upgraded the bogies). They will be compared to the Hornby Bullied 57 foot coaches, which are some of my favourite coaches. However, Bachmann LMS Porthole coaches are nowhere near the standard of the Hornby Stanier coaches, which are the older older model. So let us see what a job they are going to make of them. I had thought of getting one, but you have changed my mind.
Fascinating stuff Don - crazy to think this loco has routes in the GWR and Midland - thanks very much for all the info! The new Bulleid coaches should be very good to see!
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Well,I suppose as an old saying goes,just because it cost a lot you don't always get a lot.😉I must say Sam that you were more than generous with your review on this one.Agreed,it looks good at a glance but not so much with closer inspection.It seems that in the model hobby world there are a series of compromises in quality(going on for some time).Even for RC flying models one can find some surprising goof ups that are frankly risky!I was viewing some videos on much higher end model trains($600-$1000 range USD) even those locos are occasionally plagued with problems with workmanship.At any rate,it's a pleasure watching your humorous and witty reviews!
Very true indeed!! Glad you thought I was reasonable - the compromises were far too great in this case! :(
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The splashed paint on the running plate is added realism- the workman dropped the bucket while painting the boiler!
haha!! If Bachmann provided historical evidence to prove that to be accurate, I'd forgive them entirely ;)
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You know that its depressing when the coaches perform much better than the 160 pound loco that is dauntingly pulling them along. Goodness! That tender is bound to cause a rail disaster.
Great video as always Sam!
haha very true! Those tenders are terrible!
992 views so far! Nearly 1K! I think the inclusion of second radius curves is to cater for smaller spaces. I think, even for a starter loco, the N class is very poor. Thanks for another great review, and I'm looking forward to the last live episode of Series 9!
Yeah that's true actually - 2nd radius has its uses!
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Great review Sam it’s not a bad train set but with the derailing it would become very annoying very quickly
Thanks David, yes absolutely!!
I think you are right. If I were a beginner it would put me off continuing with model railways. It's good you speak your mind down and tell it as it is.
Thanks Duncan - for sure - imagine being a beginner, and having this as your first taste of model railways? It'd turn you away :(
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For the record, never had an issue with mine. Runs beautifully
Glad to hear that Ian, thanks for sharing!
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Check out those lamp irons at 14:14, is that prototypical? They look humungous.
Also the way they've mounted the motor at 20:13, I've never seen that before. What sort of gear train does it have? No need to pull the loco apart just to answer my question, maybe the parts diagram shows it.
I have an SR black N class (the Modelzone special edition) and it runs beautifully, certainly better than my Railroad Schools which bounces very unrealistically - it's pretty much balanced on its driving wheels!
I'm sure this has been answered before but the 'wires' on the ends of the carriage roofs are meant to be filler pipes for the toilet water tanks.
Ahh thank you! I'll try to remember this time! ;D
Quite a fair train set review, Sam; sadly, the quality from this has dashed my considerations of picking this set up, despite how lovely that malachite green is on both the coaches and locomotive.
A few things I noticed about the locomotive and coaches, and I believe you mentioned this in your review, is that the moulding appears to be of older models; brilliant insight to see that Bachmann was still leading in the moulded detail department when those first emerged from the factory, but the lack of realizing how backwards compatibility would affect their current products may have been neglected. Seeing the basic, yet more predominant, moulded detailing would have helped lower my standards for the set, yet as you said, the cost should have reflected that.
An asking price for over £120 for a "standard" train set featuring a locomotive, rolling stock, oval of track, throttle, and adapter should include more rolling stock, or some scenery pieces; this set, despite the lovely livery, is a rather unpleasant, yet I will play devil's advocate for Bachmann in this regard.
The lower detail and lower quality of the motor make it a decent starter set for one wanting to begin modelling with Bachmann, featuring their high standard for level of detail-- livery application (which needs quality control), sprung buffers, ornate liveries, etc.-- yet making the motor something relatively easy to run at high speeds, should the set be gifted to a younger modeller.
Overall, I find myself disappointed that this costly set has such a low level of standards; daresay that their Station Pilot train set-- with a horrifying retail cost of £249.95-- should be the kind of high quality train set that should command a fair price-- nowhere near the £200 mark-- while introducing a newcomer to Bachmann quality and model railroading.
Thanks a lot mate - yeah I'd go Hornby if I were you - they're not perfect either, but the quality is much better! Thanks a lot for sharing all of these thoughts! :D
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You had me me at "derailing lemon"
Hey Sam. I live in America. When ever I first got in to model trains. I bought my first ever train set it was the Bachmann Thomas with dc sound it came with troublesome trucks one and two for $225
Awesome!! How did you get on with that?! :D
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I believe one of these locos in real life had its deflectors removed and was repainted as James the red engine
Most of the Maunsell locos were built without deflectors and had them added later. The SR type were wind tunnel tested and were as small as possible while still being effective - appearances were still very important!
I think the Bachmann N class model is a 20 year old model. Still you would think that they could reduce the price as they have paid for the tooling.
Talking of Bachmann pricing I have noticed that Bachmann have brought out a new range called the EFE rail range which contains models made by other manufacturers one of which is a Heljan hymek diesel where Bachmann have added £30 extra to the price. There is also a ex DJ models steam locomotive.
Yeah others have said that too - I had no idea it was so old! Yes they certainly have - the prices are exactly what I'd expect from Bachmann, lol! ;D
The DJM loco is also £50 more than it was too!
I remember when people were crazy about the idea of you getting a big boy but i don't know if it would make it round your layout. Anyways keep up the great reviews and stay healthy.
haha yeah - I'm still not convinced - might be pushing my luck there, lol! ;D
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I fully agree Sam. Bachmann seems to have embarked on a new path of trying to get new model railroaders, who may not no better, to pay top price for junk. Back in the day, when I was a kid, I was loyal customer of the company because they made an affordable product that had some measure of quantity to it. A cheep product is all well and good IF it is sold cheaply. Bachmann however is now doing the exact opposite as of late. Even worse, they continue to raze their prices and lower quality, completely unacceptable!
Thanks mate! Yeah it's a real shame - it could seriously hurt the hobby couldn't it? You're right - cheap is fine, as long as it's cheap to the customer too!
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Going against current prices, £140 for this set isn't bad. Track would cost £20, controller £20, loco £80 for a decent but 2nd hand one, £20 each for the coaches. So thats £180 there.
I have a br black N class, from when bachmann first went with a non-split chassis design but before they fitted dcc sockets (same as my wd 8f and my 08). The drawbar is a bit annoying, but i think I sorted it somehow. Mine runs half decently too.
The coaches date from bachmann's early days, like the mk1 suburbans and thompsons. Although recently they have released a fully retooled line of bulleid and thompson coaches which are much better but also expensive.
Bachmann have a lot to learn if they want to be in on the trainset market as much as hornby is.
Yeah - as I said, the RRP for the set was okay - I gave it 3 stars, middle of the road. Thanks for the info on the coaches - yes they are going on for 30 years old now!
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It would be interesting to compare with Hornby’s Flying Scotsman train set. Yes, the Hornby set has an RRP £20 lower, and it has three coaches rather than two. However, both the Loco and the coaches are Railroad ones. I believe the Bullied coaches are just older ones - the new ones have just made it to the tooling stage with Bachmann according to the latest magazine. They are certainly better than Hornby Railroad coaches.
Having said that, I do think you’re right to point to the paint issues with the N Class as being unacceptable. I don’t model the Southern Railway so this set was not on my radar. Even if it was I don’t think I’d buy it now. However, it’s probably a 6/10 set in my eyes rather than closer to 5!
Yeah you're right - much larger loco, and far better quality mechanism too! Yes they're older coaches too!
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Can't crawl, very fast, tender flies off the track. Let's call it the Thanet Flyer! Would love to see the Bachmann interpretation of the Rocket.
Great colour scheme though. Goes well on the N class.
haha can you imagine that?! Doesn't bear thinking about! Lovely livery though, very much so!
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How intriguing, it’s seems a few years ago Bachman USA released a version of this set for the US. It was called the “Irish Railway Train Set” it came with the same loco and same coaches as this but in a different livery. Except the American version came with 3 coaches. It was Still green but the loco and coaches had some Irish railway logos on them. It was modeled in HO instead of OO. Pretty interesting.
Yes you're absolutely right - different coaches though of course - I've often wondered about that set! I don't think the model is HO though (at least not the loco)
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This is the correct livery and railway - in other words, the original correct version.
Hi sam, lovely review, really enjoyed it. Its annoying it didnt perform as well as it could. I have just bought this set for £100 off ebay and intend to replace the tender coupling as it is a lovely video. Stay safe and keep up the great work. Jack
Many thanks mate, yes that was annoying - good luck with replacing the coupling! ;D
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Sam's got the most relaxing voice for model reviews
haha thank you! :D
'Believe the odd one out's the 0-4-4; I'll admit I almost struggled as I was checking for region, only to remember you said Southern TENDER engines.
Well spotted, it may have been Vincent, good one! :D
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I think you've aired on the generous side. I would have thought "not fit for purpose" would turn out to be 4.5/10, or possibly lower?
👍😎👍MDS (Dean)
haha you might be right - I tried to be positive where necessary!
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looking at that tender derailment & it looks like a lack of weight in the tender. Maybe adding a self adhesive wheel weight (as they use to balance car alloy wheels) to it might be a good idea. It's quite an old model (I remember these when I was getting into the hobby at the tender age of eight) but the N class itself is a very handsome prototype
You could be right - but I did all kinds of experiments with my Olive green N class before removing the drawbar - nothing I did alleviated the issue entirely!
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Just checked, the pipes are most likely to do with steam heating of the carriages, possibly overflow water or steam condensation? In days of steam locos heating was passed through the carriages, but with advent of deisels Steam generators were used.
Duly noted - yes others have said that too - heating I think!
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Hey Sam please can you review the Bachmann class 03? Rails of Sheffield have the Military Manoeuvres train set (with an 03) on sale for 130.
I'd love to - that does sound very reasonable! :D
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I didn’t even know that this N class had cylinder drain cocks
Malachite green is probably my favourite livery for a steam loco
Yeah probably one of mine too actually - love it!! :D
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Hi Sam,
Buy a tin of that Malachite Green paint, and then you would have the best bits of that train set. Malachite Green in gloss, or at least a sheen, is a real pleasure. A derailing train, whether it’s Malachite Green or not, is no good.
Happy modelling. Stay safe!
Jim
haha you're right there Jim, hilarious!! lol ;D
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Sam if you are in the collector’s Club there is an exclusive terrier I suggest
Yeah I know!! I have been tempted!! :D
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If you want more of those coaches buy a second set and sell the loco on ebay, you could also autograph the loco underneath and do a video with a link to the auction
Ooh that's awesome - great idea mate! :D
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Hello. Would you be able to provide more info on the draw bar mechanism modifications? I bought an N class with the same issue and was planning on modifying it, but I don't really want to go into it blind. I tend to find that the pony truck also has issues on tight curves. not sure if this is caused by the tender too but yeah, any info would be very helpful. Thankyou
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haha I know right! xD
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Bachmann either didn’t test the train or they didn’t care. Hard to accept. I love your videos and the manufacturer’s should be made aware that modellers like myself pay attention to your reviews and base our purchases on them.
Or both Robert, that's a possibility too! You're very kind mate - I don't care if they're made aware or not - if they don't improve things, videos and posts like this will hurt their future sales. I'm helping them by giving them a motivation to do better ;)
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The last set made me loose sleep XD this is way better! Great job once again Sam!
haha me too, don't get me wrong! ;D
Sam I believe you have another coach to extend this!
I don't think I have a Bullied one - do I?!?
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lovely looking model - but the coupling between loco and tender - you are right "pants"
you did a good engineering job to find out why it fails - clearly it stretches when under load - you would think Bachmann would have tested that !
also I think when offering only 2 coaches they should ensure there are plenty more produced to make it longer - I have the same problem with hornbys eurostar - just 2 coaches is not enough! but cant find more to buy
haha thanks mate - very much pants! I agree - how can they not have tested that?!?
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£139.95? You were stung! Kernow Model Centre has it for £134.95! I was tempted to buy this train set. I researched the coaches. Although Bachmann do Bulleid coaches, they do not do any which match the coaches in this set. The only way to get these particular coaches is to purchase the Thanet Flyer set. After the Schools class was introduced the N class was mainly used for freight work, but it was occasionally used for passenger work. Maybe that's why this time period was chosen? I think the problem with the tender derailing generally, and not just with this example, is with the play in the axles. You might be able to cure this by fitting brass bushes that are sold for this purpose. When the loco goes into a curve, the axles play across but get stuck when the direction changes forcing the tender off the track.
I think I paid even less than that - it was like £120 odd - but that was months ago, I think Rails was the best at the time of filming, but I might not have checked Kernow! That's very interesting - a good motivation to buy the set then?!
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@@SamsTrains Maybe that particular loco was a 'Boreman Special', such a loco being defined as having been found defective and sold to Sam's Train's for a knockdown price? Nice looking train, glass case collector's item, one feels!
I’ve had that issue with some of mine with the tender derailing I find loosening the screws on the draw bar makes them run fine
Ahh very interesting - I will try that! Done a bit of the old Heljan have they?! ;D
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Mine too. I removed the eccentric-driven tender coupling mechanism (which I guess is to help it around tight curves) and replaced it with a home-made hook and eye system which has cured the tender derailing and also allowed me to close up the gap between engine and tender.
In all honesty it should be said, MANY real steam engines (NOT Diesel!) actually had a seam running running the lenght of the boiler(don't know if the N class did) in order to both hold the boiler cladding in and to give the engnie a more elegant look, Stevensons ROCKET Hd its boilers outher cladding made of wood , They were held in place by boiler bands.