How *deLuSioNal* was I to ever believe it would be so bad for a single 15 year old girl to get pregnant. *ObViOuSly* EVERY guy wants to date a 20 year old high school drop out with a 5 year old living on $200 of EBT and give her life-long security.
@@pyro7401 yeps, and it just makes her feel like the stupidest of them all.. Even if she has some intelligence, she has completely eradicated all signs of it
Even her own mother who she said earlier in the debate _abused her,_ recognises that teen pregnancies suck, the absolute level of self confidence/self deception in this woman astounds me
@@msbeth3342 ‘teen unplanned pregnancy is actually good’….I’m speechless. Just…what else is there to say to that. At this point I hope this is just a grift, cuz I’m genuinely bewildered..
She really overrates her intelligence. Yes, she's well spoken, and well educated, but the fact she doesn't realize how dumb and closed minded her takes are makes me really question it.
@@GiltleyRage It absurd that people thinking talking calmy and slowly is intelligent. Or adds legitimacy to anything. Listening to the content not the manner is important if you can be fooled by the calming way someone talks you weren't listening to what they said.
As a 32 year old woman who fell pregnant at 17, I can promise you that without support, teenage pregnancy WILL ruin your life. I don't regret it, of course, but I wish I had waited until later. The worst part is knowing my child has suffered because of my choices as its been a constant struggle. Ali hasn't got a clue what she's talking about !!!
As a black person from the hood, I've never known ANYONE that WANTED kids as a teenager. You'd actually get shamed for that by your peers, classmates and family if it did happen. And those teenagers would end up dropping out of school because they wouldn't be able to take care of their school duties AND take care of a kid at the same time. It was very rare that people wanted to be on welfare also. And as a kid who was sent to the corner store with food stamps by my retired nurse grandmother who obviously didn't have enough money to make ends meet, it was embarrassing to use them and uphold that stigma about black folks. That's why most single moms in my neighborhood were working more than one job or extra hours, and letting the grandma or even the child's siblings babysit their children. But I don't know. Maybe where I grew up is just the exception. I do think it's unrealistic that most teens WANT to get pregnant and have a kid. I would actually challenge everyone to ask their parents if they were planned and I bet most would say they were not. But abortions are expensive (and not covered by medical insurance), and not an option for most people because they would feel guilty, or it goes against their faith so, they see it through....or you do have a percentage of women who think keeping the child would make the father stick around which would suggest they do not want to be single. But I'm 38 yrs old. Maybe my generation is different from whoever Aly is talking about.
Yeah that's how it is in most high schools. Nobody is throwing you a party for getting knocked up. It sucks and we should do all we can to prevent kids from getting pregnant. If they can't even take care of themselves, how can they care for a child?
Yes! THIS! People realllly act like they believe the average person who finds themselves in these situations genuinely WANT to be in these situations and would CHOOSE them. SMH
Being a housewife must be really boring. She tries to convince us why more women should do it but how happy can she be when she sits on the internet complaining about how other people live their lives?
more than boring I imagine it being very lonely having to spend majority of your time at home doing housework and childcare. Understandably some women would like this type of lifestyle but there's literally studies showing that single childless women are the happiest on average.
@@xyeineksi2942 Not only the happiest but live the longest. Women know better than to listen to all these lonely and miserable people telling us that our lives would be more fulfilling as SAHM
@@angryhandjobs never said you couldnt, but the issue is a lot of people say things, about things they never done at all. And quality time with friends can still be had. Unless you are specifically talking about senseless adult activity or far travel. Which also can feel lonely
@@TheMightySilverback_ son would be 15ish when his father is 65+ which may or may not be fine. But it would definitely be weird to worry about your father possibly dying from old age when you are 25-30 still not even married or with kids.
@@introvertedpenguin3923 yeah I mean people talk about men's ability to become fathers into old age while ignoring the fact that the average American pursues a lifestyle that all but ensures your body will start falling apart in your 30's...
She brings great energy to conversations, and I've enjoy all her debates with Destiny....but I'm getting tired of someone in their 20s, married for less than 2 years, not yet a mom, telling everyone about relationships, how to get a man, what marriages need, what being a parent means, etc.
This "unplanned teen pregnancy is a good thing" is the most stupid thing that has ever been said in all the 12+ years of Steven's streaming content. She has to have been born to a wealthy family.
Lol I wonder if that's a way they practice debating lol plug in an AI Destiny, Hasan, or any other political speaking person and argue with it until they feel good lol
The way the content of her words keeps tangenting makes me think of Kanye at his most unhinged but she has a very down-to-earth tone so it seems almost like she's engaging in a conversation
Yeah i got simple algorithm vibes for sure. It's like she doesn't understand the meaning behind whats said, so she will reply with something that sounds vaguely like a response. Just because of all the data shes collected, something like this would be said to something like that. But there's no coherent thought beneath that. It's almost like a substitute to understanding what's being said, for someone not really paying attention, it sounds like she knows what she's talking about.
This lady is insane. My father passed away when I was a young boy and my mom raised me and never dated again. It was hell for her and challenging for me too. The things that woman went through the make sure food was always on the table I'll always appreciate. Single motherhood is hard as fuck
They never consider that a mother doesn't want to raise a child by themselves. These people always go to the extremes (like HRT for 3 year olds). The entire conversation is mainly about women getting raw dogged & how they're a bunch of w*ores. She never brings up the loss of a partner. I'm sorry to hear about your father. I'm sure he would be proud of you & your mother for never giving up on life. (I'm also proud of ❤)
It might be different in the U.K but there are 100 % young women (Particularly in poorer communities) who will get pregnant and be a single mum by choice, for the benefits/wellfare it has to offer. It's extremely expensive and difficult to get housing in the U.K, yet if you get pregnant as a single mum it's a lot lot easier, (It's got more difficult recently for single mums) and you will get your own house or 2 bedroom flat/apartment, and have all your bills paid for. A lot of the time, the woman will have a parent who is addicted to drugs or an alcoholic etc etc, so they just see it as a way to escape. Young men will join the army and young women will get pregnant. If you grow up middle class, yes a life on benefits/welfare doesn't seem appealing, but if you are living with a bad parent, with no real hope of ever being able to afford your own accommodation, it's a lot more appealing. And to note, private housing is very unreliable, they can kick you out on a whim. And young people want their independence, they don't want to be living with their parent, or parents until they are 30 +.
@@thepubquiz3198 This is basically the same in the US. as long as you're the mother [or the father if the mother died or spent money you probably dont have to have fought for a couple years for custody]. this is one of the bigger complaints conservatives have about welfare programs is that it encourages single parent households in this way. of course there are exceptions to this plight because there are single mothers with really good safety nets [primarily family and friends especially if they're not dirt poor]. somewhere destiny completely misses is that he acts like it's ridiculous that single mothers could live pretty breezy off of welfare. it's really easy in my state. I don't know about places where cost of living is wildy above average, which could be a possible explaination for his perspective i guess.
@@thepubquiz3198 Are you from a poor neighborhood? Because I grew up in the hood as well and I have never met a single young woman/girl who loved being a single mother or made that choice. Matter of fact, most of them tried to get the father involved or be available and even stayed in toxic relationships because they thought it would be good for the kid. Sure there’s women who love being a mother and motherhood despite being a single mom but I don’t think a lot of women necessarily love and go out of their way to be single mothers unless it’s a cope. Some end up loving it because they had no choice but to accept and learn to love it and that’s fair.
@@azurezerox8392 "this is one of the bigger complaints conservatives have about welfare programs is that it encourages single parent households in this way." What's funny is that a lot of those same conservatives support the idea of the government giving people money for having kids because they think people nowadays aren't reproducing enough. To be fair, some insist we should only give this money to _married_ people who have kids. But then if even a married couple is just having kids for the money, that just contributes to the "breakdown of family values" that they complain about. I can't imagine that married people who have kids solely to get money from the government are likely to be great parents with strong morals or values- or that the marriage will last. Do those conservatives _really_ want to encourage such people to have children? Also, I used to live in inner-city St. Louis. I can't tell you how many times I've overheard conversations in public where some lady said things like, "My youngest is about to turn 18. I've gotta have another baby or they'll cut off my benefits."
@@Adeon55 Um actually you are dead wrong. Teen moms are 28% more likely than average adolescent females to commit suicide (the most common cause of death among female adolescents) So a trans kid is less likely to delete themselves than a pregnant 16 year old. My source. www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7375578/
@@rapidashrorschachtest430 You seem to lack a basic understanding of statistics and/or reading comprehension. "28% more likely" is not anywhere near "41% of the group". 28% _more_ than 1% would be 1.28% of the group. 41% of a group is 41% of the group. Also, the study you cite is based on adolescents "in a low resource and rural setting". So one, it's narrow in scope, not to be extrapolated to all teen girls, as you've done. Two, all of the increased deletion risks it notes have nothing intrinsically to do with the pregnancy, itself. By far the biggest one being partner violence committed against them during pregnancy. I wonder if victims of IPV might have an increased risk of self-deletion, regardless of pregnancy. Hmm.🤔 Beyond that, your assertion that a trans kid is less likely to delete themselves than a pregnant 16 year old is utterly absurd, on the face of it. For one thing, teen pregnancy has been extremely common for most of human history. And even when "preventing teen pregnancy" was a hot topic (ie. in the 90's), it was to reduce the number of black & latina single mothers on welfare. No one was concerned about it _because_ the mothers were deleting themselves, or there was some epidemic of children being left motherless due to their mothers deleting themselves. On the other hand, pretty much the entire concern around trans people (and the movement to coddle them as much as possible) _is_ their rate of self-deletion. To the point that it's weaponized as emotional blackmail against anyone who questions a trans person on anything, as though those words are going to drive them to delete themselves, right then and there, unless you bow down and parrot whatever words they demand of you. There is no significant comparison between them.
@@Adeon55 I like how you say I don't understand statistics meanwhile you leave out in your trans statistic that their suicide attempt rate goes down to only 3% when they have one person who supports them lol. When everyone around you hates you I don't think being trans is why they kill themselves. Meanwhile if you actually read the link I sent instead of skimming it. You will find even adult women who were teen moms are 2 times more likely to kill themselves than women who waited to adulthood to get married. I never thought I'd find someone dumb enough to defend teen pregnancy but here we are. Maybe redpillers are right that the western world is falling with people like you.
I am glad she is soooo intelligent! And she will tell it multiple times just so that we can understand that we might be missing her “fascinating” points because of that intelligence gap! 😵💫
Stunning intelligence xD. Her argument for _teen pregnancies being great_ was "well, if I take into account the amount of childlessness these days..." Like I have to have a baby at 16 years old or it's going to be to late?
@@halfbloodprincess989 Also a bit like "well if we dont convince them it's fine, easy and good as a MINOR and wait until they have more reasoning skills as an adult then they wont do it" a bit groomy to me tbh
There’s something uniquely annoying about her. You ever meet one of those people that seem pretty intelligent but have the most bizarre takes that you couldnt even make up if you wanted? Like they’ve lived a pretty abnormal life which has molded them into having weird views on the world but they’re smart enough to build some backwards-ass logic for their claims. That’s kinda the vibe I get from her. Like, in that last panel she kept saying “Ive had more experience with X than anybody else here” as if she has an authority on certain topics because of the life she’s led. It comes off as really smug and makes me feel like her only real motivation for being online is to sell her lifestyle to people. But, who knows.
@@rightjablol Tbc, I think most people’s opinions are downstream from their personal experiences, to an extent. But her opinions and thought processes are so weird they dont even really map onto anybody else even within her part of the internet. Just listening to her contradictions is truly bizarre. Like how she can say that she was a strong female leader in the army but then say that was because men failed at being men. Or how she can say that she was abused by her young single mother but still advocates for teenage pregnancy. I dont think its a stretch to say that most people would have the opposite views if they had those experiences. And I really dont feel like her beliefs comes from strong partisanship or something like that. Its hard to explain exactly but its what I mean when I gave the example of person you might know who’s strange life experiences leads to their strange worldview. Dont get me wrong, I think Destiny’s views are influenced by his abnormal life but I never get the sense that he hasnt considered all of that. Destiny has challenged his beliefs and changed them over time and his logic is pretty easy to follow. But from what I gather from these appearances and her social media is that her main goal is to sell her tradcon wife lifestyle. And her constant positioning of herself as an authority on certain topics because of her life expertise makes me think that she’s probably not ever going to change her positions. Not to say that’s uncommon among content creators but thats why most of them suck and what sets Destiny apart from a lot of them.
Yes. I think the reason for her being so unbelievably annoying is exactly this, PLUS the fact that when pushed back she keeps going on tangential points that sound like they make sense but are not pertinent at all and contradict some of her previous satements, almost every single time. Unbearable and fascinating at the same time
I think @realfemsapien gets some credit for being pretty open and receptive to discussion and I can see her working to not shadow box "the left" when shes responding to Desitny's points. And I for one can see that she definitely respects Destiny as an intellect but she's always going to struggle in these conversations until she learns construct arguments purely empirically instead of defaulting to defending her ideology first.
She's like really in her feelings about motherhood and how wonderful and noble it is (especially when you're married to an older richer dude) that she refuses to look at reality.
As a former single teen mom, yes it sucks. I had to give up college and career dreams. Just because many women are doing this, doesn’t mean they are CHOOSING it. I hope having a baby changes her viewpoint causing her to become more realistic and bring her back down to Earth.
@@jaysavage5299 Here was the exact convo: You said you are pregnant now? - Yeah. This is your first one? - Second pregnancy, first child. Make of that what you will :P
@@jacklaurentius6130 She's right that many woman self sabotage because they have been given an opportunity for a short term power grab and most of them will take it. However, the effects of this are extremely short term and made even worse because you have to deal with the consequences of your actions for the rest of your life. Young people are stupid and impressionable. If you tell them they can get an easy rid by having a kid with someone and divorcing them immediately after they will take it. However, that easy ride they have been promised is an extreme falsehood This woman has an extremely warped world view from her specific situation. Made even worse by the fact that she is young. Just because she is living a good life now doesn't mean it will last. She has set herself up for failure
@Jack Laurentius 1.)why do women initiate divorce, if every girl dreams of getting married and being a wife? 2.) Yeah cause it's in her body, 🙄 so as the person going through the pregnancy it's up to her if she wants to endure it to term, as pregnancyis dangerous and you (and the baby) could die. 3.) And men wanna fuck everything they can, so yeah women will be selective when all men talk about is sticking their dick in holes and wanting to fuck every women they deem fuckable. But anyways How does any of this make teen pregnancy a good thing?
@@jacklaurentius6130 just because you women initiate divorce more doesn’t necessarily mean they are always the problem and although you might be correct with your other points, that still doesn’t mean that teen pregnancy is “good”.
As a son living with a single mother on some types of government assistance it is a horrible experience for not only the mother but has a terrible impact on the kid.
The fact that some people know these comments are arguing against that is wild. Like yeah the teen mom living off stamps in the hood may not be working for anything she has (probably, she's a teenager) but she's probably not doing a whole lot else either lol
Aly is a person who thinks surrogacy is evil, admits she’s only attracted to her husband as long as he can make money, and is the type who hangs on one thing: “I’m pregnant.” 😂 Listening to her talk in this discussion hurts my brain
I am *so* thankful my mum discussed the importance of the pill and helped me get on it as soon as I needed it. I grew up poor and was friends with a few girls who had babies as teenagers, none of them planned it or were happy about it.
Right there with you! I don’t like her take about birth control not being healthy. It helps with cramping. It can help with women who have disabilities. And it can control the length of a period.
@@shannonrappa2375 her takes pertaining to children beyond child abuse is bad are horrible. Never in my life have I heard someone advocate for the most stressful life altering event on a child while saying children shouldn’t be on birth control
Birth control has many serious effects on the body, some of which are permanent. It absolutely can be helpful, for a variety of reasons, but it's not something you should carelessly give to young people if they don't need it. People could do with a little less birth control and a little more self control.
@popers1328 the permanent effects of birth control are MINIMAL and RARE, but go off. And they sure as fuck less prominent and permanent when compared to having a child. Birth control is taken for a long list of things that have nothing to do with self control you troglodyte
There was one girl in our high school who was pregnant and EVERYONE talked shit about her. “She really threw her life away huh” “I bet her parents are ashamed” “really? She had sex with THAT guy?” “Why is she even in school?” Teen pregnancy also ruins your social life. The amount of respect you lose from the people around you for being a teen mom put an unbelievable amount of stress on someone
I'm 40. When I was growing up, teen moms and dads were bullied mercilessly, and it was seen as a very "trailer park" thing to be. Nobody respected you for that shit.
@@AngryReptileKeeper Well the people you were around were behind in times. It used to be exactly that way. How do you think grandma's and great grandmas had 13 or 14 kids? They started at a young age. Do y'all fell the same way about Elvis?
I just realized this girl has no idea what Destiny is saying. She just picks up words he says and twists them into a response to give the impression that she was responding to his question or his answer. I can't believe it took me all this time to realize that
Ally is the true definition of a “One Hit Wonder” She had that ONE take when she was in the car with Pearl [blew up], and now she just off her “rocker”
Because she’s driven by religion, she’ll just never admit it. That’s the problem with all these right wing nuts. None of their positions make sense medically or scientifically
She's not educated. Any "right" opinion she may have, about any subject, is purely coincidental. She will never know what Logic is. She's constitutionally incapable of reaching correct conclusions through the process of Logic.
An undergraduate degree doth not, an educated mind make. 😉 She must've been sleeping through her classes cus she used none of the critical thinking skills needed in this "debate"
It's crazy how she openly judges literally everybody as uninformed compared to her but then seems to be herself uninformed. I personally don't think there's nothing wrong with thinking you are better than most people but you actually have to put in the work to be better than most people or else you end up embarrassing yourself.
She demonstrates Dunning-Kruger symptoms around her intelligence. She greatly overestimates it, therefore she places a large amount of credibility on positions she never reasoned herself into.
It’s also ironic how she speaks poorly of the trans community and I initially thought she was a trans person. It didn’t make sense, until I realize she’s was born female and identifies as a woman…. 😵💫
She's not the brightest candle in the box... The way she talks about everything from modern women to gay people: "That's to complicated, why can't it be simple?"
Aly in this conversation: "Gender roles are merely suggestions, not prescriptions. All they are there to do is give you suggestions of things to try and then modify based on personal preference. I have never once said that anybody should want to act in certain ways just because of gender roles." Aly in a previous conversation: "If you are a man in the military and a woman around you steps into a leadership position before you do, you have failed as a man and deserve to be disrespected." Wow, how much people can change over the course of like two weeks. What a profound bit of character development. I am really looking forward to the position she decides to hold next week.
She didn't change over the course of two weeks. By that logic, she changed over the course of two sentences, because she's contradicted herself multiple times over 5 second spans. No, she merely argues from feelings. If she feels something one second, she'll say it without logically validating it. If she feels differently the next second, she'll contradict herself immediately, without remorse. She's literally braindead.
This whole debate is just like saying drug addicts wake up in the morning and choose to be drug addicts. No one chooses the hardest kind of lives. An addict is by far one of the toughest and being a single mother is also by far one of the toughest. Like no one wants to suffer
But youd be wrong! People choose to go to war, to live a street life knowing theyll be klld or imprisoned and women can choose to be single mothers. The reason for that is because of the cultural reward or praise around these things... a drug dealer in his subculture will receive praise and honor for serving time and not snitching or selling high amounts of drugs. A soldier will receive honor and praise though he could literally lose his life. And a single mother will be praised for taking on a role of a single parent. This really shouldnt be such a hard concept to grasp, even chris rock had a joke about this in the 90s because it is such a known phenomenon. There a cbs or pbs documentary where this is looked at call "The vanishing Black Family" and all of the pregneant teen girls are saying they dont want a father for their child.
I get this feeling that Aly wants to debate Destiny but also impress him as a "smart woman" but it's leading to a really obtuse debate where they seem to be missing a lot of the more contentious talking points.
So should women constantly get pregnant over and over again because a life is beautiful?? _Quick! I’m not pregnant I literally need to create as many lives as physically possible!! 1 second of me being unpregant is denying a human life!!!_
most birds, the males are the most vibrant looking, wearing make-up if you will. but she gives penguins as an example. Famously gay penguins. she's never been challenged by anyone before, and it shows.
What Ally is advocating for only works for her life circumstances. She is in a supportive relationship, probably living in a comfortable home, has the maturity of a 28 year old (but expecting teens to have the same ability). Other people should be able to do the same
Shes the prime example of why even a person with rich family and all the privileges in the world can still easily end up with terribly naive perspective of the world around them. This is why improvement and progress are at a stand still socially in America.
She has said she lost it to another guy who wasn’t, by her standards, as “high value”. But True, she married a jujitsu Doctor, 20+ years her senior, and seems to believe that her life choices are superior to that of us ugly immoral peasants who choose a different path in life than her😂
She is so wrong. It's even been proven that they give black women less medicine for the pain because they say they can handle it more. This has literally happened.
@@annaphillips4288 there are actually peer-reviewed studies on this phenomenon I just can't pick an exact one as my brain is tired. But if you google for APA (American Psychological Association) study reviews, you'll get quite a few studies especially on cases of black mothers not recieving epidurals without fighting for them etc. sorry, I just realised that as an MA Pysch student I can get into the databases for research but I'm not sure if the layman can actually see the real articles without paying for the journal. If you can't see them, Wikipedia the Tuskegee Experiments. That'll send you down quite the sad rabbithole. Frikken depresses me.
@@SalznPfeffer658 thank you so much for your reply and information. That's crazy. Definitely going to read up on the stuff you pointed out my guy. Appreciate ya
@@annaphillips4288 they also said that black people have "thicker skin" because of our "blackness" so they tend to be more rough with us, and explain less to us.
Her pro teen pregnancy argument is hilariously bad. I was half expecting her to bring up the MTV show teen mom and be like "Look how much money they got from that show".
hearing the words “the maternal death rate isn’t high” kind of triggered me because i’m currently doing research on said topic. the state of virginia literally has a board that was tasked with investigating maternal death rates for the very reason of them being absurd.
Because they aren't high, check them versus historical figures night and fucking day my man. Now this doesn't mean that we shouldn't investigate or try to drive it lower but the statement is a fact.
@@FloridaTrini Highest doesn't mean jack shit. The rate we have now in modern countries is historically low. This doesn't mean we can't do even better but it's not high by any means.
@Joel Blackwell Having the highest maternal death rate among developed countries is absolutely an important fact. Especially when considering that the U.S. has the highest GDP in the world. When I compare myself to others to see in which ways I can improve, I don't compare myself to my ancestors living in the 1920s, I compare myself to my peers who are in a similar playing field that are living now.
"conservatives aren't giving prescriptions" Ummmm, that's 90% of the basis of the conservatives mindset - give prescriptions and demonise people who don't fit in. my god. such a stupid take.
@@pinbraid I think there's a defining difference between the mindsets. Liberals tell you what you shouldn't do, conservative tell you what you should do.
I agree with destiny. I had a dude try to impress me ( he was actually my professor ) man was married, he kept trying to get me to go out with him. I was SOOOO uncomfortable but I had no choice but to be polite because my grades relied on him. Anyways he once told me " I have so much money, I will give you all.the options and you won't be able to say no to me." I will never forget that. He had such low.self-esteem, he was married and his wife had a newborn, his wife was my age, but he thought he could BUY me. I wish to this day that I could tell his wife what it is that he did. I am repulsed and indeed like destiny said I don't respect him. Sad truth.
I mean she's admitted she didn't follow any of the redpill stuff until her husband. So she probably hasn't thought about any of this. She's just regurgitating his opinions. So the fact that Destiny disagrees with her kinda makes her not know what to say next since she has no thoughts.
😂😂😂😂 I'm Hispanic and my family kept telling me as a teen, "you better not become a teen mom." Latín American families with education, value education first and would rather have thier children go through that, move out, get married then have children. She's talking about people who are in poverty with no education - no matter where or who. From Philly or NY. Im from NY, most people from the projects don't know better and are living in bad conditions. It doesn't matter the race or ethnicity. She's wrong for saying hispanic families value teen pregnancy. They don't!! No one does.
She also says in the 90s to early 2010s their parents were ok with teen pregnancy. I was a kid in the 90s and I am Hispanic. I was pregnant in the early 20s. By cousin was pregnant in her teen years her mom was so bad about that. She did not want her daughter to be pregnant as a teen. But My cousin still had her baby.. I grew up in Jersey
She is basically applying her own ideology as an explanation while ignoring the more obvious explanations (Tight knit family's are less inclined to abandon a teen mom, you can maintain the optics of respectability with a quick wedding, and Catholicism renders abortion/birth control a no-go )
Destiny should have agreed with her idiotic point about self identification, and convinced her to stop identifying herself as intelligent. Would have saved us on some cringe. This was rough. Her labeling herself as an "intelligent woman" is an insult to all women. But I guess there was some entertainment value to it as I laughed every time she made the assertion.
Doesn't she say that she can't be friends with women because shes just so much smarter? If so like, maybe you're just insufferable and the men that say "you're so smart" just wanna smash
It's not just an insult to all women, it's an insult to all intelligent people. It's spitting on the fabric of humanity itself. She's a blight on all matters of Reason, and all civilizations that have preceded her and allowed her to be here today.
The moment she asserted she "hates child abuse", I knew she was about to defend child abuse. She immediately did. 80% of this conversation was just her projecting. It's insane. I think all women should have the right to vote, except for her.
I grew up in the hood and ive never heard of this shit lol. Getting pregnant as a teen was still looked down on. If ppl planning on doing that is a thing, I guess ive just never heard of it some how haha. Maybe in a rare case a teen is wanting to have a baby but the family is definitely not encouraging it.
I think it occurs extremely rarely in some less assimilated immigrant communities where extremely conservative gender roles are still the norm. It doesn’t matter when a daughter gets pregnant if you only ever expected her to be a mother anyway and there isn’t much expected upward mobility for whoever the father is. It’s not as common as she was arguing and even when it happens, it’s not under good conditions.
@@jeolifter4449 I see, that makes sense. She definitely was having it come off as if it was kind of a normal thing in black and Hispanic communities. Was pretty surprised at how hard she pushed it. Seems like she isnt very clear with her thoughts a lot of the time. As someone who is black and lived in the north east I've never heard of that situation. Some super conservative immigrant communities thinking that way is a bit more understandable.
I wonder if it’s a smaller area/conservative thing, I’m from a town of 6k that’s about 50/50 white/Hispanic and I genuinely think even amounts of both backgrounds dropped out due to teen pregnancy. I wonder if it’s because women around here are socialized from day 1 to believe their only purpose is to have kids, so when they see so many other young parents around it becomes normalized. I remember growing up and in grade school my mom was legitimately considered old for having me at 24. I remember vividly people claiming that if you started having kids after 20 it was “too late” I’ve only seen this sort of thing happen in communities similar to mine though, I’ve never heard about teen pregnancy being celebrated in a larger community (50k+)
"I used to think teen pregnancy was a bad thing, but then I had to change that idea once I became pro-life." This is the opposite of logic. This is believing in a fact, then taking that fact and changing the interpretation of it to fit a new narrative in your head. Aly ran into an ethical dilemma and, rather than engaging with it, chose to ignore a previously-believed fact to fit the new narrative. That is resolving an ethical dilemma by ignoring the key issue, and she should not be as proud of this as she is.
Look at the outcomes for teen moms,their graduation rates,their chronic poverty rates,their liklihood to be single mothers,etc. How can you say that is a good outcome?
1:40:25 ''I care about health until baby, and if you're screwed by pregnancy and you're a teenager, then it doesn't matter'' ...perfect summary of her weird assertions
Wish I was on this panel. I am BLACK and my mother was a teen mom had her first child at 15 and had her second at 17 and had me at 18. AND IT SUCKED. Being poor as shit and she had to do it all on her own. We was on section 8 and food stamps till I was about 12 I am 21 now. The push to absolutely not get pregnant was definitely something my mom poured on us. She wouldn’t even let us out the house. She literally cried when she thought I was pregnant one time and I was virgin at the time. But she didn’t know and I also didn’t know I had pcos which mean I didn’t get a period for like 3 months and she assumed I was pregnant. But I never in my life seen her cry like that. She was so afraid I’ll end up like her and she can barley raise us so if I was how would the baby be took care of???? Ally is arguing solely off emotion. Logically teen pregnancy should be discouraged.
Conservatives can only understand hardship if they experience it first hand. My preacher when I was a kid flipped his opinions real quick when his teen daughter got pregnant.
Unironically this is easily the most braindead person he's ever had on. And that's a legitimate feat. Literally everything she spoke on was wrong, twisted, or based on misunderstanding.
This lady exemplifies leading with your conclusion and trying to make everything else fit that narrative. I feel bad that she has had pregnancy issues, but I think that has really led to her adopting poor beliefs. She’s pro teen pregnancy supposedly, anti contraception excluding condoms, yet she is anti surrogate mothers because it supposedly negatively affects the children later in life. These views are all irreconcilable when put together and it really seems like what drives her politics is disdain towards women who are able to make decisions of when they want to get pregnant.
"anti contraception excluding condoms" When someone's argument against contraception is that it enables women to avoid the "consequences" of sex, they're only ever talking about female contraception, hormonal or otherwise. They weirdly have nothing to say about condoms, even though those have the same effect. I would make an argument about how it's because condoms are for men, but that falls apart because condoms protect women, too.
It's so goddamn annoying when a religious person says "I don't know why everyone's so confused! This is all so easy!" It's like duh, you swallowed the writings of Bronze age men as the Truth of the Universe, of course you think it's easy.
Wait, she doesn't think a recommendation is the same as a prescription? Is there some online community where people can actually force their viewers to do what they tell them to do?
Give her some credit, she was a good sport and held her own to the best of her ability. Where she started to plummet was this incessant stance on single teen pregnancy being a net positive.
Yeah, been digging through some of destiny's past debates and compared to analicia and Lav, she ain't that bad. Dgg shouldn't be that hard to everyone against their own views tbh.
She got steamrolled by destiny never stood a chance in terms of debating, but i feel like i can see what she was trying to get at. I feel someone like aba could have articulated her points better and forced destiny's to at least engage. I don't mind destiny winning in debate, but I hate when he wins bc they are unable to articulate their points well
I'm finding it harder and harder to speak with my conservative friends, it's like everything I say is run through Tucker Carlson's Universal Libcuck Translator. Patent Pending All Rights Reserved
I am someone with a gift giving language. I love receiving genuine, thoughtful gifts. If someone buys me something expensive for the sake of the value or something generic that is not unique to me, it's hurtful and disappointing. I'd much prefer something homemade or from Etsy rather than a designer purse or diamond jewelry or red roses because I don't like them. It's almost like...getting to know the person and know what they like is more important than flashing wealth at a woman. Why is genuine love and companionship like, never a factor in the relationships according to redpillers?
Just a small correction. Maternal deaths are actually trending upwards. As a ratio of deaths per 100,000 births. 20.1 deaths in 2019, 23.8 in 2020 and 32.9 in 2021 (we don't have more recent complete data sets)
She’s clearly never heard the song “Brenda’s got baby” by 2Pac As a person of Latin culture my mom would’ve killed my sister if she came home pregnant at a teenage age. I’ve never been around ANY Latin family that says it’s ok for their young daughters get pregnant?? This woman lives in La la land.
Destiny should have asked her. Do you think achieve economic stability is easier with or without a child? Likewise in regards to finding a life partner.
Destiny brought up a really good point. Since one child is too much regarding any kind of transitioning to this woman, is one child too much for gun violence? Because there are more children being shot than being given hormone blockers and reassignment surgery. If I had a trans child, I would rather my child undergo reassignment surgery than get shot.
In the small town i grew up in ( population under 2000), 40% of the semi popular/good looking girls in high school ended up pregnant before 19. They live in equal opportunity housing (aka the projects) work part time at the liquor store and have at least 3 kids with 2-3 different dads. Do I think they wanted to end up that way? No, but they were definitely more focused on being desirable to men then focusing on better themselves. These girls thought they peaked in HS because their boyfriend was a football player. Then when they get pregnant and dude says peace out, its the guys fault for their crappy life.
Those guys usually end up having 3-5 kids with different women anyways so I don’t see your point in pinning it on the women more when both parties are responsible. I’m from a rural community of 6k and I feel as though women are seen more as a commodity here than equals, and so when they fall pregnant are encouraged to become mothers due to the only perceived value of women in this community is to have children. When you’re told from day 1 that your only purpose it to become a parent, and you see many teen mothers around you, I could see why the issue is self perpetuating around here. Not to mention our “sex talk” was a one day course in 4th grade about periods and nothing else, I’m from an area setting people up to become teen parents. As much as it hurts to see a peer of mine get pregnant too soon, I can’t really blame them when everyone immediately around them is telling them it’s a good thing. EVEN THOUGH all of the parties encouraging the pregnancy had fallen victim to that exact scenario in the past. Imo there’s no winning unless we can properly educate people in these lower income areas, but we won’t ever do that :/
And I come from a well funded city where we are well educated on how having a child at a young age can drastically change your life. So we hold off on children and get higher paying jobs first. And we know this is the better way because we also have some teen pregnancies still and they do go down that drastically different path almost every time and struggle.
Despite the fact that Destiny reiterates continuously that he is talking about "UNWANTED teen pregnancy," she still slimily keeps moving the goalposts to "teen pregnancy." This one goes head to head with the worst, most infuriating convos ever.
“Is teen pregnancy good?” Is like the premise of a GTA talk radio parody
blaire county radio
😂 you got me good on that
I feel like her sub conscious reason for that opinion is that it will make them more conservative and less gay.
She crazy.
A ton of Twitch / RUclips political streams sound like GTA radio parodies. Parody is unironically becoming reality
hello, this is maurice chavez
I never thought I'd witness a woman defending teen pregnancy and single motherhood in the same conversation
Well when you are obsessed with defending your life choices ideologically you end up saying some dumb as fvck stuff
Without once mentioning a sperm bank 😂. Insane😅
How *deLuSioNal* was I to ever believe it would be so bad for a single 15 year old girl to get pregnant. *ObViOuSly* EVERY guy wants to date a 20 year old high school drop out with a 5 year old living on $200 of EBT and give her life-long security.
And she does so as a conservative! What next, advocacy for higher taxes and big government?
pretty much shows she's that person that saw red pill videos and said "I can make my own red pill videos"
The irony is that before the debate she said “Destiny debates stupid women and insults them for being stupid” 😂😂😂
Yyyyyyyeeeeeaaaaaaaa
she thinks shes so smart
@@pyro7401 yeps, and it just makes her feel like the stupidest of them all.. Even if she has some intelligence, she has completely eradicated all signs of it
@@pyro7401 she’s smarter than him
@@grindhardlio7814 in the same way my cat is smarter than me. Its life is simpler and it gets what it wants but it cant solve complex problems
Even her own mother who she said earlier in the debate _abused her,_ recognises that teen pregnancies suck, the absolute level of self confidence/self deception in this woman astounds me
It’s pretty easy for narcissists to deceive themselves. . .
I think the word your looking for is dunning Kruger haha.
It’s easy when you’re getting a bag 💰to talk shyt
She literally has nothing else to do except say crazy stuff within her red pill bubble.
@@msbeth3342 ‘teen unplanned pregnancy is actually good’….I’m speechless. Just…what else is there to say to that. At this point I hope this is just a grift, cuz I’m genuinely bewildered..
Girl: all the women you debate are stupid
Also girl: Teen Pregnancy is a blessing
Love to see it
You can’t make this up lol.
@@SmileyAdventures You can if your are part of the right wing "Manshpere" paid to misinform women.
Bahahahhahahahhaha 👌
She really overrates her intelligence. Yes, she's well spoken, and well educated, but the fact she doesn't realize how dumb and closed minded her takes are makes me really question it.
@@GiltleyRage It absurd that people thinking talking calmy and slowly is intelligent. Or adds legitimacy to anything.
Listening to the content not the manner is important if you can be fooled by the calming way someone talks you weren't listening to what they said.
As a 32 year old woman who fell pregnant at 17, I can promise you that without support, teenage pregnancy WILL ruin your life.
I don't regret it, of course, but I wish I had waited until later.
The worst part is knowing my child has suffered because of my choices as its been a constant struggle. Ali hasn't got a clue what she's talking about !!!
As a black person from the hood, I've never known ANYONE that WANTED kids as a teenager. You'd actually get shamed for that by your peers, classmates and family if it did happen. And those teenagers would end up dropping out of school because they wouldn't be able to take care of their school duties AND take care of a kid at the same time. It was very rare that people wanted to be on welfare also. And as a kid who was sent to the corner store with food stamps by my retired nurse grandmother who obviously didn't have enough money to make ends meet, it was embarrassing to use them and uphold that stigma about black folks. That's why most single moms in my neighborhood were working more than one job or extra hours, and letting the grandma or even the child's siblings babysit their children. But I don't know. Maybe where I grew up is just the exception.
I do think it's unrealistic that most teens WANT to get pregnant and have a kid. I would actually challenge everyone to ask their parents if they were planned and I bet most would say they were not. But abortions are expensive (and not covered by medical insurance), and not an option for most people because they would feel guilty, or it goes against their faith so, they see it through....or you do have a percentage of women who think keeping the child would make the father stick around which would suggest they do not want to be single. But I'm 38 yrs old. Maybe my generation is different from whoever Aly is talking about.
She doesn’t know WTF she’s talking about. She’s really slow .
Yeah that's how it is in most high schools. Nobody is throwing you a party for getting knocked up. It sucks and we should do all we can to prevent kids from getting pregnant. If they can't even take care of themselves, how can they care for a child?
Yes! THIS!
People realllly act like they believe the average person who finds themselves in these situations genuinely WANT to be in these situations and would CHOOSE them. SMH
Facts... I'll be 35 in April but you're right... I think it's generational because the younger women are different...
You’re not from the hood then….. plenty of black woman want to be pregnant young…
Being a housewife must be really boring. She tries to convince us why more women should do it but how happy can she be when she sits on the internet complaining about how other people live their lives?
more than boring I imagine it being very lonely having to spend majority of your time at home doing housework and childcare. Understandably some women would like this type of lifestyle but there's literally studies showing that single childless women are the happiest on average.
@@xyeineksi2942 Not only the happiest but live the longest. Women know better than to listen to all these lonely and miserable people telling us that our lives would be more fulfilling as SAHM
@@xyeineksi2942 lonely? Have you every took care of a child?
That's what a hobby is for instead of popping online saying wild mess
@@angryhandjobs never said you couldnt, but the issue is a lot of people say things, about things they never done at all.
And quality time with friends can still be had. Unless you are specifically talking about senseless adult activity or far travel. Which also can feel lonely
how is there a whole corner of the internet where married with children women think about 'modern women' and get sad all day
“I’m not a materialistic person.”*
*Married an older man for his money.
Don't forget, that she's also attracted to him for his ability to beat up threats and "hopefully" when he's too old, then her son will be there.
@@introvertedpenguin3923 son will be like 15 when hes 60
@@TheMightySilverback_ son would be 15ish when his father is 65+ which may or may not be fine.
But it would definitely be weird to worry about your father possibly dying from old age when you are 25-30 still not even married or with kids.
@@introvertedpenguin3923 yeah I mean people talk about men's ability to become fathers into old age while ignoring the fact that the average American pursues a lifestyle that all but ensures your body will start falling apart in your 30's...
She brings great energy to conversations, and I've enjoy all her debates with Destiny....but I'm getting tired of someone in their 20s, married for less than 2 years, not yet a mom, telling everyone about relationships, how to get a man, what marriages need, what being a parent means, etc.
I thought Pearl was the ultimate "pick me", but this dope is gunning for that position hard.
And truly sounds like she believes it where Pearl mostly sounds like she is just there for the money.
Sucks that making yourself appealing dictates a pick me. Men and women alike. I think for men, it's called simping
@@pinbraidthis isn't appealing, she sounds brainwashed. Pearl is just a fool but aly almost sounds like some type of puppet
@@ozurafgc6235 Then what is the definition of a pick me?
@@pinbraid I dont think she counts as a pick me. She just puts little effort into arguing her side, just like the rest of them.
This "unplanned teen pregnancy is a good thing" is the most stupid thing that has ever been said in all the 12+ years of Steven's streaming content. She has to have been born to a wealthy family.
Idk man I have heard some destiny guests say some pretty stupid shit...
She somehow managed to surpass NoBS
@@Vasilia4 Lmao no shot. It could be nostalgia but guests like NoBs and coach red pill(while being more entertaining) were much dumber
@@galacticmonarchy1546 no they just sound dumber. But they actually had coherent thoughts. Even TonkaSaw is more intelligent
This is Jerry Springer tier.
She's like speaking to an AI that pushes random similar talking points by searching similar terms but not actually answering the question asked.
Lol I wonder if that's a way they practice debating lol plug in an AI Destiny, Hasan, or any other political speaking person and argue with it until they feel good lol
Lol yea.
The way the content of her words keeps tangenting makes me think of Kanye at his most unhinged but she has a very down-to-earth tone so it seems almost like she's engaging in a conversation
Yeah i got simple algorithm vibes for sure. It's like she doesn't understand the meaning behind whats said, so she will reply with something that sounds vaguely like a response. Just because of all the data shes collected, something like this would be said to something like that. But there's no coherent thought beneath that. It's almost like a substitute to understanding what's being said, for someone not really paying attention, it sounds like she knows what she's talking about.
@@zeno4538 lol yea
This lady is insane. My father passed away when I was a young boy and my mom raised me and never dated again. It was hell for her and challenging for me too. The things that woman went through the make sure food was always on the table I'll always appreciate. Single motherhood is hard as fuck
They never consider that a mother doesn't want to raise a child by themselves. These people always go to the extremes (like HRT for 3 year olds). The entire conversation is mainly about women getting raw dogged & how they're a bunch of w*ores. She never brings up the loss of a partner. I'm sorry to hear about your father. I'm sure he would be proud of you & your mother for never giving up on life.
(I'm also proud of ❤)
It might be different in the U.K but there are 100 % young women (Particularly in poorer communities) who will get pregnant and be a single mum by choice, for the benefits/wellfare it has to offer. It's extremely expensive and difficult to get housing in the U.K, yet if you get pregnant as a single mum it's a lot lot easier, (It's got more difficult recently for single mums) and you will get your own house or 2 bedroom flat/apartment, and have all your bills paid for. A lot of the time, the woman will have a parent who is addicted to drugs or an alcoholic etc etc, so they just see it as a way to escape. Young men will join the army and young women will get pregnant.
If you grow up middle class, yes a life on benefits/welfare doesn't seem appealing, but if you are living with a bad parent, with no real hope of ever being able to afford your own accommodation, it's a lot more appealing. And to note, private housing is very unreliable, they can kick you out on a whim. And young people want their independence, they don't want to be living with their parent, or parents until they are 30 +.
@@thepubquiz3198 This is basically the same in the US. as long as you're the mother [or the father if the mother died or spent money you probably dont have to have fought for a couple years for custody]. this is one of the bigger complaints conservatives have about welfare programs is that it encourages single parent households in this way. of course there are exceptions to this plight because there are single mothers with really good safety nets [primarily family and friends especially if they're not dirt poor].
somewhere destiny completely misses is that he acts like it's ridiculous that single mothers could live pretty breezy off of welfare. it's really easy in my state. I don't know about places where cost of living is wildy above average, which could be a possible explaination for his perspective i guess.
@@thepubquiz3198 Are you from a poor neighborhood? Because I grew up in the hood as well and I have never met a single young woman/girl who loved being a single mother or made that choice. Matter of fact, most of them tried to get the father involved or be available and even stayed in toxic relationships because they thought it would be good for the kid. Sure there’s women who love being a mother and motherhood despite being a single mom but I don’t think a lot of women necessarily love and go out of their way to be single mothers unless it’s a cope. Some end up loving it because they had no choice but to accept and learn to love it and that’s fair.
@@azurezerox8392 "this is one of the bigger complaints conservatives have about welfare programs is that it encourages single parent households in this way."
What's funny is that a lot of those same conservatives support the idea of the government giving people money for having kids because they think people nowadays aren't reproducing enough. To be fair, some insist we should only give this money to _married_ people who have kids. But then if even a married couple is just having kids for the money, that just contributes to the "breakdown of family values" that they complain about. I can't imagine that married people who have kids solely to get money from the government are likely to be great parents with strong morals or values- or that the marriage will last. Do those conservatives _really_ want to encourage such people to have children?
Also, I used to live in inner-city St. Louis. I can't tell you how many times I've overheard conversations in public where some lady said things like, "My youngest is about to turn 18. I've gotta have another baby or they'll cut off my benefits."
Her: trans people should wait until 18 before they can seek gender affirming care.
Also her: teen pregnancy is a blessing
Tbf, teen mothers don't have a 41% deletion rate (before or after "seeking care").
She is right
@@Adeon55 Um actually you are dead wrong. Teen moms are 28% more likely than average adolescent females to commit suicide (the most common cause of death among female adolescents)
So a trans kid is less likely to delete themselves than a pregnant 16 year old.
My source.
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7375578/
@@rapidashrorschachtest430 You seem to lack a basic understanding of statistics and/or reading comprehension. "28% more likely" is not anywhere near "41% of the group". 28% _more_ than 1% would be 1.28% of the group. 41% of a group is 41% of the group.
Also, the study you cite is based on adolescents "in a low resource and rural setting". So one, it's narrow in scope, not to be extrapolated to all teen girls, as you've done. Two, all of the increased deletion risks it notes have nothing intrinsically to do with the pregnancy, itself. By far the biggest one being partner violence committed against them during pregnancy. I wonder if victims of IPV might have an increased risk of self-deletion, regardless of pregnancy. Hmm.🤔
Beyond that, your assertion that a trans kid is less likely to delete themselves than a pregnant 16 year old is utterly absurd, on the face of it. For one thing, teen pregnancy has been extremely common for most of human history. And even when "preventing teen pregnancy" was a hot topic (ie. in the 90's), it was to reduce the number of black & latina single mothers on welfare. No one was concerned about it _because_ the mothers were deleting themselves, or there was some epidemic of children being left motherless due to their mothers deleting themselves. On the other hand, pretty much the entire concern around trans people (and the movement to coddle them as much as possible) _is_ their rate of self-deletion. To the point that it's weaponized as emotional blackmail against anyone who questions a trans person on anything, as though those words are going to drive them to delete themselves, right then and there, unless you bow down and parrot whatever words they demand of you. There is no significant comparison between them.
@@Adeon55 I like how you say I don't understand statistics meanwhile you leave out in your trans statistic that their suicide attempt rate goes down to only 3% when they have one person who supports them lol.
When everyone around you hates you I don't think being trans is why they kill themselves.
Meanwhile if you actually read the link I sent instead of skimming it. You will find even adult women who were teen moms are 2 times more likely to kill themselves than women who waited to adulthood to get married.
I never thought I'd find someone dumb enough to defend teen pregnancy but here we are. Maybe redpillers are right that the western world is falling with people like you.
I am glad she is soooo intelligent! And she will tell it multiple times just so that we can understand that we might be missing her “fascinating” points because of that intelligence gap! 😵💫
She truly is the exception to the rule "if you hear something enough, you'll believe its true"
She's hot and would be a submissive wife
Stunning intelligence xD. Her argument for _teen pregnancies being great_ was "well, if I take into account the amount of childlessness these days..."
Like I have to have a baby at 16 years old or it's going to be to late?
@@halfbloodprincess989 we don't need our women intelligent. We want them submissive and to Cook and clean
@@halfbloodprincess989 Also a bit like "well if we dont convince them it's fine, easy and good as a MINOR and wait until they have more reasoning skills as an adult then they wont do it" a bit groomy to me tbh
This woman is a perfect example of education not equaling common sense
She doesn’t strike me as a grifter either, just an idiot with a silly and narrow world view
DIE BY MY HAND! I CREEP ACROSS THE LAND! KILLING FIRST BORN MAN!
My thoughts as well.
what education does she actually have?
@@TheLumberjack1987 her LinkedIn says she's got a bachelor's in anthropology....but that doesn't mean she's intelligent
Destiny's ability to create analogies that point out a person's wholly inconsistent principles provides endless entertainment.
Could you please compare apples to apples for me?
@@markallen6433 one is an apple and the other is also an apple
@griffingeary3356 You just blew my mind man
His ability to misunderstand what she is saying us fascinating
Facts, she still cool, but should definitely not debate on this type of scale because it made here look and sound dumm( well less educated) then most
There’s something uniquely annoying about her. You ever meet one of those people that seem pretty intelligent but have the most bizarre takes that you couldnt even make up if you wanted? Like they’ve lived a pretty abnormal life which has molded them into having weird views on the world but they’re smart enough to build some backwards-ass logic for their claims. That’s kinda the vibe I get from her. Like, in that last panel she kept saying “Ive had more experience with X than anybody else here” as if she has an authority on certain topics because of the life she’s led. It comes off as really smug and makes me feel like her only real motivation for being online is to sell her lifestyle to people. But, who knows.
This might be the best description I’ve heard of her yet.
@@rightjablol Tbc, I think most people’s opinions are downstream from their personal experiences, to an extent. But her opinions and thought processes are so weird they dont even really map onto anybody else even within her part of the internet. Just listening to her contradictions is truly bizarre. Like how she can say that she was a strong female leader in the army but then say that was because men failed at being men. Or how she can say that she was abused by her young single mother but still advocates for teenage pregnancy. I dont think its a stretch to say that most people would have the opposite views if they had those experiences. And I really dont feel like her beliefs comes from strong partisanship or something like that. Its hard to explain exactly but its what I mean when I gave the example of person you might know who’s strange life experiences leads to their strange worldview.
Dont get me wrong, I think Destiny’s views are influenced by his abnormal life but I never get the sense that he hasnt considered all of that. Destiny has challenged his beliefs and changed them over time and his logic is pretty easy to follow. But from what I gather from these appearances and her social media is that her main goal is to sell her tradcon wife lifestyle. And her constant positioning of herself as an authority on certain topics because of her life expertise makes me think that she’s probably not ever going to change her positions. Not to say that’s uncommon among content creators but thats why most of them suck and what sets Destiny apart from a lot of them.
Yes. I think the reason for her being so unbelievably annoying is exactly this, PLUS the fact that when pushed back she keeps going on tangential points that sound like they make sense but are not pertinent at all and contradict some of her previous satements, almost every single time.
Unbearable and fascinating at the same time
Oh and that voice. Just can't deal with the combo
I think @realfemsapien gets some credit for being pretty open and receptive to discussion and I can see her working to not shadow box "the left" when shes responding to Desitny's points. And I for one can see that she definitely respects Destiny as an intellect but she's always going to struggle in these conversations until she learns construct arguments purely empirically instead of defaulting to defending her ideology first.
She's like really in her feelings about motherhood and how wonderful and noble it is (especially when you're married to an older richer dude) that she refuses to look at reality.
Yup!
based araragi
As a former single teen mom, yes it sucks. I had to give up college and career dreams. Just because many women are doing this, doesn’t mean they are CHOOSING it. I hope having a baby changes her viewpoint causing her to become more realistic and bring her back down to Earth.
I thought she already had a kid and having her second one rn?
@@calebgao6931 First child was a miscarriage I believe. This is her second pregnancy. I think thats how she explained it.
@@jaysavage5299 Also interesting because she thinks human life starts at conception but states she is about to have her 'first child' :3
@@ddawg3230 Yeah but if I'm being charitable I assume that to be a miss speak on her part.
@@jaysavage5299 Here was the exact convo:
You said you are pregnant now?
- Yeah.
This is your first one?
- Second pregnancy, first child.
Make of that what you will :P
"Teen pregnancy is good actually" - fucking kill me
She’s right.
1. Most women start the divorce.
2.Women decide to keep the baby or not.
3.Women choose who has sex.
@@jacklaurentius6130 She's right that many woman self sabotage because they have been given an opportunity for a short term power grab and most of them will take it. However, the effects of this are extremely short term and made even worse because you have to deal with the consequences of your actions for the rest of your life. Young people are stupid and impressionable. If you tell them they can get an easy rid by having a kid with someone and divorcing them immediately after they will take it. However, that easy ride they have been promised is an extreme falsehood
This woman has an extremely warped world view from her specific situation. Made even worse by the fact that she is young. Just because she is living a good life now doesn't mean it will last. She has set herself up for failure
@Jack Laurentius
1.)why do women initiate divorce, if every girl dreams of getting married and being a wife?
2.) Yeah cause it's in her body, 🙄 so as the person going through the pregnancy it's up to her if she wants to endure it to term, as pregnancyis dangerous and you (and the baby) could die.
3.) And men wanna fuck everything they can, so yeah women will be selective when all men talk about is sticking their dick in holes and wanting to fuck every women they deem fuckable.
But anyways How does any of this make teen pregnancy a good thing?
@@jacklaurentius6130 just because you women initiate divorce more doesn’t necessarily mean they are always the problem and although you might be correct with your other points, that still doesn’t mean that teen pregnancy is “good”.
@@jacklaurentius6130 how do any of those mean that teen pregnancy is a good thing?
As a son living with a single mother on some types of government assistance it is a horrible experience for not only the mother but has a terrible impact on the kid.
The fact that some people know these comments are arguing against that is wild. Like yeah the teen mom living off stamps in the hood may not be working for anything she has (probably, she's a teenager) but she's probably not doing a whole lot else either lol
Do you wish you were dead…. No because you would of already unalive yourself… so technically she’s right struggling life > no life
Aly is a person who thinks surrogacy is evil, admits she’s only attracted to her husband as long as he can make money, and is the type who hangs on one thing: “I’m pregnant.” 😂 Listening to her talk in this discussion hurts my brain
She makes me almost miss Annalicia....almost
@@Gchildwarrior we all make mistakes
I am *so* thankful my mum discussed the importance of the pill and helped me get on it as soon as I needed it. I grew up poor and was friends with a few girls who had babies as teenagers, none of them planned it or were happy about it.
Right there with you! I don’t like her take about birth control not being healthy. It helps with cramping. It can help with women who have disabilities. And it can control the length of a period.
@@shannonrappa2375I had the exact opposite effect. My periods started lasting months on end and I had terrible mood swings. 🫠
@@shannonrappa2375 her takes pertaining to children beyond child abuse is bad are horrible. Never in my life have I heard someone advocate for the most stressful life altering event on a child while saying children shouldn’t be on birth control
Birth control has many serious effects on the body, some of which are permanent. It absolutely can be helpful, for a variety of reasons, but it's not something you should carelessly give to young people if they don't need it. People could do with a little less birth control and a little more self control.
@popers1328 the permanent effects of birth control are MINIMAL and RARE, but go off. And they sure as fuck less prominent and permanent when compared to having a child. Birth control is taken for a long list of things that have nothing to do with self control you troglodyte
There was one girl in our high school who was pregnant and EVERYONE talked shit about her. “She really threw her life away huh” “I bet her parents are ashamed” “really? She had sex with THAT guy?” “Why is she even in school?”
Teen pregnancy also ruins your social life. The amount of respect you lose from the people around you for being a teen mom put an unbelievable amount of stress on someone
True but justified
probably because they know you just messed up your life lol. kinda like taking drugs in school. stupid choices
Lose respect from people means what? Do they change ANYTHING in my life? I think y'all want to say how things are.but everyone is different.
I'm 40. When I was growing up, teen moms and dads were bullied mercilessly, and it was seen as a very "trailer park" thing to be. Nobody respected you for that shit.
@@AngryReptileKeeper Well the people you were around were behind in times. It used to be exactly that way. How do you think grandma's and great grandmas had 13 or 14 kids? They started at a young age. Do y'all fell the same way about Elvis?
I just realized this girl has no idea what Destiny is saying. She just picks up words he says and twists them into a response to give the impression that she was responding to his question or his answer.
I can't believe it took me all this time to realize that
Ur built like mini-me
Exactly
Ally is the true definition of a “One Hit Wonder”
She had that ONE take when she was in the car with Pearl [blew up], and now she just off her “rocker”
What was the take? Was it "If you want to date a doctor, work as a nurse"?
@@theprinceofpie lmfao. This is the 200 iq take I’d expect it to be
Ali’s certified nuts. For someone who’s educated, she delivered one of the dumbest conversations Destiny has ever had with anyone. 🤦🏼♂️
Because she’s driven by religion, she’ll just never admit it. That’s the problem with all these right wing nuts. None of their positions make sense medically or scientifically
She's not educated. Any "right" opinion she may have, about any subject, is purely coincidental. She will never know what Logic is. She's constitutionally incapable of reaching correct conclusions through the process of Logic.
An undergraduate degree doth not, an educated mind make. 😉
She must've been sleeping through her classes cus she used none of the critical thinking skills needed in this "debate"
It's crazy how she openly judges literally everybody as uninformed compared to her but then seems to be herself uninformed. I personally don't think there's nothing wrong with thinking you are better than most people but you actually have to put in the work to be better than most people or else you end up embarrassing yourself.
She demonstrates Dunning-Kruger symptoms around her intelligence. She greatly overestimates it, therefore she places a large amount of credibility on positions she never reasoned herself into.
"You debate dumb women" proceeds to say destiny gives advice on stepping out on your wife.
my jaw dropped
Lol, i just got to the teen pregnancy part. Yeah, the other women Destiny debates are "dumb."
@@jacobwages7021 she has managed to surpass NoBS levels of remedial
It’s also ironic how she speaks poorly of the trans community and I initially thought she was a trans person. It didn’t make sense, until I realize she’s was born female and identifies as a woman…. 😵💫
She's not the brightest candle in the box...
The way she talks about everything from modern women to gay people: "That's to complicated, why can't it be simple?"
Aly in this conversation: "Gender roles are merely suggestions, not prescriptions. All they are there to do is give you suggestions of things to try and then modify based on personal preference. I have never once said that anybody should want to act in certain ways just because of gender roles."
Aly in a previous conversation: "If you are a man in the military and a woman around you steps into a leadership position before you do, you have failed as a man and deserve to be disrespected."
Wow, how much people can change over the course of like two weeks. What a profound bit of character development. I am really looking forward to the position she decides to hold next week.
She didn't change over the course of two weeks. By that logic, she changed over the course of two sentences, because she's contradicted herself multiple times over 5 second spans. No, she merely argues from feelings. If she feels something one second, she'll say it without logically validating it. If she feels differently the next second, she'll contradict herself immediately, without remorse. She's literally braindead.
This whole debate is just like saying drug addicts wake up in the morning and choose to be drug addicts. No one chooses the hardest kind of lives. An addict is by far one of the toughest and being a single mother is also by far one of the toughest. Like no one wants to suffer
But youd be wrong! People choose to go to war, to live a street life knowing theyll be klld or imprisoned and women can choose to be single mothers. The reason for that is because of the cultural reward or praise around these things... a drug dealer in his subculture will receive praise and honor for serving time and not snitching or selling high amounts of drugs. A soldier will receive honor and praise though he could literally lose his life. And a single mother will be praised for taking on a role of a single parent. This really shouldnt be such a hard concept to grasp, even chris rock had a joke about this in the 90s because it is such a known phenomenon. There a cbs or pbs documentary where this is looked at call "The vanishing Black Family" and all of the pregneant teen girls are saying they dont want a father for their child.
@@maniac50ae14 You know a drug addict and a drug dealer aren’t the same thing, right?
@@LoLchilled09 You know youre asking stoopid questions right?
@@maniac50ae14 You’re right. What was I thinking trying to bring logic to someone who’s has ‘Maniac’ in his name.
@@LoLchilled09 😅😅😅😅
“I no longer look down on single mothers”. Wow. What a huge moral w 😐
I get this feeling that Aly wants to debate Destiny but also impress him as a "smart woman" but it's leading to a really obtuse debate where they seem to be missing a lot of the more contentious talking points.
So should women constantly get pregnant over and over again because a life is beautiful??
_Quick! I’m not pregnant I literally need to create as many lives as physically possible!! 1 second of me being unpregant is denying a human life!!!_
I hate how she hides misinformation behind "her opinion". Shes like.. "I know people say 2+2=4, but in my opinion 2+2 could be 5."
most birds, the males are the most vibrant looking, wearing make-up if you will. but she gives penguins as an example. Famously gay penguins. she's never been challenged by anyone before, and it shows.
What Ally is advocating for only works for her life circumstances. She is in a supportive relationship, probably living in a comfortable home, has the maturity of a 28 year old (but expecting teens to have the same ability). Other people should be able to do the same
I promise you in NYC people are not saying “thank god I got pregnant at 16”
Shes the prime example of why even a person with rich family and all the privileges in the world can still easily end up with terribly naive perspective of the world around them. This is why improvement and progress are at a stand still socially in America.
This is the girl who lost her virginity to the 49 year old jujutsu guy, right?
She has said she lost it to another guy who wasn’t, by her standards, as “high value”. But True, she married a jujitsu Doctor, 20+ years her senior, and seems to believe that her life choices are superior to that of us ugly immoral peasants who choose a different path in life than her😂
Yeah. You know when people are like "I'm the picture of perfect mental health" and you look at their life like 👀 "mmk babe"
Is there a problem with that? How did you find this out? It sounds like some kiwi farms info.
Is that true?
Based
She is so wrong. It's even been proven that they give black women less medicine for the pain because they say they can handle it more. This has literally happened.
Wtf...who says that? Honestly curious who says stuff like that my guy. Medical practitioners have said this?
@@annaphillips4288 there are actually peer-reviewed studies on this phenomenon I just can't pick an exact one as my brain is tired. But if you google for APA (American Psychological Association) study reviews, you'll get quite a few studies especially on cases of black mothers not recieving epidurals without fighting for them etc.
sorry, I just realised that as an MA Pysch student I can get into the databases for research but I'm not sure if the layman can actually see the real articles without paying for the journal.
If you can't see them, Wikipedia the Tuskegee Experiments. That'll send you down quite the sad rabbithole. Frikken depresses me.
@@SalznPfeffer658 thank you so much for your reply and information. That's crazy. Definitely going to read up on the stuff you pointed out my guy. Appreciate ya
@@annaphillips4288 you're welcome. Knowledge is meant to be shared.
@@annaphillips4288 they also said that black people have "thicker skin" because of our "blackness" so they tend to be more rough with us, and explain less to us.
Her pro teen pregnancy argument is hilariously bad. I was half expecting her to bring up the MTV show teen mom and be like "Look how much money they got from that show".
I just got to that point......I don't even think Pearl would ever say something that dumb
hearing the words “the maternal death rate isn’t high” kind of triggered me because i’m currently doing research on said topic. the state of virginia literally has a board that was tasked with investigating maternal death rates for the very reason of them being absurd.
Exactly. U.S. literally has the highest maternal death rate across the developed world, with Mississippi having the highest rate state-wise.
Because they aren't high, check them versus historical figures night and fucking day my man. Now this doesn't mean that we shouldn't investigate or try to drive it lower but the statement is a fact.
@@FloridaTrini Highest doesn't mean jack shit. The rate we have now in modern countries is historically low. This doesn't mean we can't do even better but it's not high by any means.
@Joel Blackwell Having the highest maternal death rate among developed countries is absolutely an important fact. Especially when considering that the U.S. has the highest GDP in the world. When I compare myself to others to see in which ways I can improve, I don't compare myself to my ancestors living in the 1920s, I compare myself to my peers who are in a similar playing field that are living now.
"conservatives aren't giving prescriptions" Ummmm, that's 90% of the basis of the conservatives mindset - give prescriptions and demonise people who don't fit in. my god. such a stupid take.
THEN GOES ON TO MAKE PRESCRIPTIONS
Don't both liberal and conservatives give prescriptions?
@@pinbraid I think there's a defining difference between the mindsets. Liberals tell you what you shouldn't do, conservative tell you what you should do.
I agree with destiny. I had a dude try to impress me ( he was actually my professor ) man was married, he kept trying to get me to go out with him. I was SOOOO uncomfortable but I had no choice but to be polite because my grades relied on him. Anyways he once told me " I have so much money, I will give you all.the options and you won't be able to say no to me." I will never forget that. He had such low.self-esteem, he was married and his wife had a newborn, his wife was my age, but he thought he could BUY me. I wish to this day that I could tell his wife what it is that he did. I am repulsed and indeed like destiny said I don't respect him. Sad truth.
Giving her all of the good faith possible, deserved or not, this felt like she was just using Destiny as a sounding board for her unspoken opinions
She seems impressively bad at listening
It's that they are unconsidered opinions. She's never thought about this stuff critically before.
@@markallen6433 yeah that's what I meant by sounding board. Just bouncing ideas off of him to see where they land
@@Doolz51 true
I mean she's admitted she didn't follow any of the redpill stuff until her husband. So she probably hasn't thought about any of this. She's just regurgitating his opinions. So the fact that Destiny disagrees with her kinda makes her not know what to say next since she has no thoughts.
😂😂😂😂 I'm Hispanic and my family kept telling me as a teen, "you better not become a teen mom." Latín American families with education, value education first and would rather have thier children go through that, move out, get married then have children. She's talking about people who are in poverty with no education - no matter where or who. From Philly or NY. Im from NY, most people from the projects don't know better and are living in bad conditions. It doesn't matter the race or ethnicity. She's wrong for saying hispanic families value teen pregnancy. They don't!! No one does.
She also says in the 90s to early 2010s their parents were ok with teen pregnancy.
I was a kid in the 90s and I am Hispanic. I was pregnant in the early 20s.
By cousin was pregnant in her teen years her mom was so bad about that. She did not want her daughter to be pregnant as a teen.
But My cousin still had her baby..
I grew up in Jersey
She is basically applying her own ideology as an explanation while ignoring the more obvious explanations (Tight knit family's are less inclined to abandon a teen mom, you can maintain the optics of respectability with a quick wedding, and Catholicism renders abortion/birth control a no-go )
Destiny should have agreed with her idiotic point about self identification, and convinced her to stop identifying herself as intelligent. Would have saved us on some cringe.
This was rough. Her labeling herself as an "intelligent woman" is an insult to all women. But I guess there was some entertainment value to it as I laughed every time she made the assertion.
Doesn't she say that she can't be friends with women because shes just so much smarter? If so like, maybe you're just insufferable and the men that say "you're so smart" just wanna smash
It's not just an insult to all women, it's an insult to all intelligent people. It's spitting on the fabric of humanity itself. She's a blight on all matters of Reason, and all civilizations that have preceded her and allowed her to be here today.
OH shes 28... Now i understand why Red pillers think women lose value after 25
WHATTTT
@@sororxcide what what?
What What What
The moment she asserted he debates dumb women was the moment I knew irony was just around the corner.
The moment she asserted she "hates child abuse", I knew she was about to defend child abuse. She immediately did. 80% of this conversation was just her projecting. It's insane.
I think all women should have the right to vote, except for her.
Remember that this starts with her saying he talks with dumb women .
1:03:12 "You can't win a debate when you are aborted."
1000 IQ take.
"You never asked that rock whether it consented to be thrown. Checkmate."
I grew up in the hood and ive never heard of this shit lol. Getting pregnant as a teen was still looked down on. If ppl planning on doing that is a thing, I guess ive just never heard of it some how haha. Maybe in a rare case a teen is wanting to have a baby but the family is definitely not encouraging it.
I think it occurs extremely rarely in some less assimilated immigrant communities where extremely conservative gender roles are still the norm. It doesn’t matter when a daughter gets pregnant if you only ever expected her to be a mother anyway and there isn’t much expected upward mobility for whoever the father is. It’s not as common as she was arguing and even when it happens, it’s not under good conditions.
@@jeolifter4449 I see, that makes sense. She definitely was having it come off as if it was kind of a normal thing in black and Hispanic communities. Was pretty surprised at how hard she pushed it. Seems like she isnt very clear with her thoughts a lot of the time. As someone who is black and lived in the north east I've never heard of that situation. Some super conservative immigrant communities thinking that way is a bit more understandable.
I know a girl from work who is THAT girl; 19, wants 3 kids by 25, says she's never getting married.
@@Saint_Sigismund does she live with her parents.
I wonder if it’s a smaller area/conservative thing, I’m from a town of 6k that’s about 50/50 white/Hispanic and I genuinely think even amounts of both backgrounds dropped out due to teen pregnancy.
I wonder if it’s because women around here are socialized from day 1 to believe their only purpose is to have kids, so when they see so many other young parents around it becomes normalized.
I remember growing up and in grade school my mom was legitimately considered old for having me at 24. I remember vividly people claiming that if you started having kids after 20 it was “too late”
I’ve only seen this sort of thing happen in communities similar to mine though, I’ve never heard about teen pregnancy being celebrated in a larger community (50k+)
"I used to think teen pregnancy was a bad thing, but then I had to change that idea once I became pro-life."
This is the opposite of logic. This is believing in a fact, then taking that fact and changing the interpretation of it to fit a new narrative in your head. Aly ran into an ethical dilemma and, rather than engaging with it, chose to ignore a previously-believed fact to fit the new narrative. That is resolving an ethical dilemma by ignoring the key issue, and she should not be as proud of this as she is.
What's puzzling is that she apparently thinks being pro-life and believing teen pregnancy is a bad thing are somehow mutually exclusive.
She admits that the "Call of Motherhood" isn't as strong as she claims by trying to get rid of access to abortion or contraception.
Look at the outcomes for teen moms,their graduation rates,their chronic poverty rates,their liklihood to be single mothers,etc. How can you say that is a good outcome?
Women like her promote teen pregnancy are the same ones who shame women wanting to date as a single mom
1:40:25 ''I care about health until baby, and if you're screwed by pregnancy and you're a teenager, then it doesn't matter'' ...perfect summary of her weird assertions
She should ask women if they like having a meal made for them. I can tell you my absolute favourite meal is anything I didn't have to cook for myself.
As a woman, I concur.
How does destiny have so much patience.
I think gaming at the same time is therapeutic
cos he gets paid insanely well, he would have no where near as much patience if he was making minimum wage with his streams
@@thegaslightneverends yes, a real logical answer
@@thegaslightneverends Hahah yeah true man.
The urge to chuck my phone across the room is big with this one 😅
Wish I was on this panel. I am BLACK and my mother was a teen mom had her first child at 15 and had her second at 17 and had me at 18. AND IT SUCKED. Being poor as shit and she had to do it all on her own. We was on section 8 and food stamps till I was about 12 I am 21 now. The push to absolutely not get pregnant was definitely something my mom poured on us. She wouldn’t even let us out the house. She literally cried when she thought I was pregnant one time and I was virgin at the time. But she didn’t know and I also didn’t know I had pcos which mean I didn’t get a period for like 3 months and she assumed I was pregnant. But I never in my life seen her cry like that. She was so afraid I’ll end up like her and she can barley raise us so if I was how would the baby be took care of???? Ally is arguing solely off emotion. Logically teen pregnancy should be discouraged.
“Teen pregnancy is a blessing”
Teen pregnancy is BASED
God commanded his soldiers to grape women and kill everyone but the female virgins so.. yehhhh
@@musselbuoy4384 ew
Pregnancy is a blessing, specifying teen is cringe lol
Conservatives can only understand hardship if they experience it first hand. My preacher when I was a kid flipped his opinions real quick when his teen daughter got pregnant.
This woman holds 25 different conversations at the same time
After hearing this conversation I am genuinely afraid for her child. Wtf.
She sounds like she wouldn't care if her method in maths was wrong but acidentally got the correct answer.
Unironically this is easily the most braindead person he's ever had on.
And that's a legitimate feat.
Literally everything she spoke on was wrong, twisted, or based on misunderstanding.
Her old ass husband found the perfect dumb women
Better than Lav tho
@@burnout3373 I mean. Fair.
Mic drop moment: 1:17:08
“You think a 16 year old can decide when to have children but not decide to get a double mastectomy”
In this debate i learned that child abuse is wrong. The downside is that now i want dementia in order to save myself from rememebering this debate.
1:20:11 "And because school ended at 11 because there wasn't much history or math to study" is an underrated comment.
This lady exemplifies leading with your conclusion and trying to make everything else fit that narrative. I feel bad that she has had pregnancy issues, but I think that has really led to her adopting poor beliefs. She’s pro teen pregnancy supposedly, anti contraception excluding condoms, yet she is anti surrogate mothers because it supposedly negatively affects the children later in life. These views are all irreconcilable when put together and it really seems like what drives her politics is disdain towards women who are able to make decisions of when they want to get pregnant.
"anti contraception excluding condoms"
When someone's argument against contraception is that it enables women to avoid the "consequences" of sex, they're only ever talking about female contraception, hormonal or otherwise. They weirdly have nothing to say about condoms, even though those have the same effect.
I would make an argument about how it's because condoms are for men, but that falls apart because condoms protect women, too.
It's so goddamn annoying when a religious person says "I don't know why everyone's so confused! This is all so easy!" It's like duh, you swallowed the writings of Bronze age men as the Truth of the Universe, of course you think it's easy.
How anyone could advocate and justify children having children is wild
Wait, she doesn't think a recommendation is the same as a prescription? Is there some online community where people can actually force their viewers to do what they tell them to do?
There are online communities that will kick you out if you don't conform, which is about as much "force" as they have access to.
55:19
"As a pregnant woman", Destiny is clearly admitting (s)he is a pregnant female, so proud of you Steven!
"Go give a troll woman a gift"
- Aly Drummond
Would a bridge be a nice gift?
I am so glad destiny was finally extremely aggressive towards this guest. 🙏
How does destiny have so much patience to debate someone who sounds like their brain cells all committed cannibalism.
“The right is not on discord” lol this woman is off to a bad start
Watching her turn into the “dumb chicks” she tweets about
Give her some credit, she was a good sport and held her own to the best of her ability. Where she started to plummet was this incessant stance on single teen pregnancy being a net positive.
“Best of her ability”, which is not much. She’s an idiot.
to be honest I think shes just too stupid to understand what is being said and thats why she is able to shrug most things off
Yeah, been digging through some of destiny's past debates and compared to analicia and Lav, she ain't that bad. Dgg shouldn't be that hard to everyone against their own views tbh.
She got steamrolled by destiny never stood a chance in terms of debating, but i feel like i can see what she was trying to get at. I feel someone like aba could have articulated her points better and forced destiny's to at least engage. I don't mind destiny winning in debate, but I hate when he wins bc they are unable to articulate their points well
@@QMS9224 its hard for destiny to engage when shes to stupid to have the conversation
I really like this no bs steve while still activily engaging.
She really needs to pick what she wants to talk about. It's so confusing and stuff just gets said and not addressed wasting a lot of time
I'm finding it harder and harder to speak with my conservative friends, it's like everything I say is run through Tucker Carlson's Universal Libcuck Translator. Patent Pending All Rights Reserved
I’m screaming at the screen listening to her 😂😂😂😂
I am someone with a gift giving language. I love receiving genuine, thoughtful gifts. If someone buys me something expensive for the sake of the value or something generic that is not unique to me, it's hurtful and disappointing. I'd much prefer something homemade or from Etsy rather than a designer purse or diamond jewelry or red roses because I don't like them. It's almost like...getting to know the person and know what they like is more important than flashing wealth at a woman. Why is genuine love and companionship like, never a factor in the relationships according to redpillers?
Just a small correction. Maternal deaths are actually trending upwards. As a ratio of deaths per 100,000 births.
20.1 deaths in 2019, 23.8 in 2020 and 32.9 in 2021 (we don't have more recent complete data sets)
She’s clearly never heard the song “Brenda’s got baby” by 2Pac
As a person of Latin culture my mom would’ve killed my sister if she came home pregnant at a teenage age. I’ve never been around ANY Latin family that says it’s ok for their young daughters get pregnant?? This woman lives in La la land.
Destiny should have asked her. Do you think achieve economic stability is easier with or without a child? Likewise in regards to finding a life partner.
Damn it was a mid debate but in the middle of it she flipped out and it became fun. "Team unwanted pregnancy" 😂😂😂
Destiny brought up a really good point. Since one child is too much regarding any kind of transitioning to this woman, is one child too much for gun violence? Because there are more children being shot than being given hormone blockers and reassignment surgery. If I had a trans child, I would rather my child undergo reassignment surgery than get shot.
In the small town i grew up in ( population under 2000), 40% of the semi popular/good looking girls in high school ended up pregnant before 19. They live in equal opportunity housing (aka the projects) work part time at the liquor store and have at least 3 kids with 2-3 different dads. Do I think they wanted to end up that way? No, but they were definitely more focused on being desirable to men then focusing on better themselves. These girls thought they peaked in HS because their boyfriend was a football player. Then when they get pregnant and dude says peace out, its the guys fault for their crappy life.
Those guys usually end up having 3-5 kids with different women anyways so I don’t see your point in pinning it on the women more when both parties are responsible.
I’m from a rural community of 6k and I feel as though women are seen more as a commodity here than equals, and so when they fall pregnant are encouraged to become mothers due to the only perceived value of women in this community is to have children.
When you’re told from day 1 that your only purpose it to become a parent, and you see many teen mothers around you, I could see why the issue is self perpetuating around here. Not to mention our “sex talk” was a one day course in 4th grade about periods and nothing else, I’m from an area setting people up to become teen parents.
As much as it hurts to see a peer of mine get pregnant too soon, I can’t really blame them when everyone immediately around them is telling them it’s a good thing.
EVEN THOUGH all of the parties encouraging the pregnancy had fallen victim to that exact scenario in the past.
Imo there’s no winning unless we can properly educate people in these lower income areas, but we won’t ever do that :/
And I come from a well funded city where we are well educated on how having a child at a young age can drastically change your life. So we hold off on children and get higher paying jobs first. And we know this is the better way because we also have some teen pregnancies still and they do go down that drastically different path almost every time and struggle.
She at least gives one good example of a point she made: Destiny talking to stupid women 😅
It's amazing how quickly bad arguments fall apart when forced to give examples.
Despite the fact that Destiny reiterates continuously that he is talking about "UNWANTED teen pregnancy," she still slimily keeps moving the goalposts to "teen pregnancy." This one goes head to head with the worst, most infuriating convos ever.
Just from the intro you know this one is going to be an insane one
I felt this immediately 😂
1:50:17 Aly: Medicine has come so far to where pregnancy is safer and maternal mortality is lower
1:50:23 Katy: I activate my trap card Plan B!