She's been guilty from day one,not just two dead children,she has a dead husband,shot twice by her brother,set up by Lori and Chad and they shot at her other husband who escaped these weirdo's!! They playing with spirits,weird thoughts and plain mental retardation!! This female on this witness stand should be locked the F up too....
that phone call was so hard to listen to. lori LAUGHING in the face of her son’s despair is, in my opinion, a nail in her coffin for the defense. so disturbing.
Guess playing the only card she has. Committed to the mental illness path. Think had to be evaluated x 2, no? Completely aware recording will be heard in court... Lori is not the brain.
Not particularly religious, but considering how center stone it is to this case it seems... someone laughing at the face of being called blasphemous... thats something demonic, Lori Vallow so obsessed with 'ridding' others of evil spirits didnt realize that she, herself, was consorting with the devil and became the very dark/demonic soul she touted as other people being. Classic Narcissism. Call out others for what you are doing.
What you said....and if they let this crazy woman who's speaking out of their sight this system is just as whacked as they are,they got folks playing with spirits and shit, SMFH!!
Believe me your country has a way better system than us in Denmark.. Murderers and pedophiles in my country don't even get life in prison, they call it life in prison but it is 16 years maximum, after 12 years they can be considered for parole, it is ridiculous, I am so sick of it!
They are past crazy and this weird chick needs to be locked up too....man she's weird,I would never wanna live next to her nor be in the same room as them,I believe this is all an insurance scheme,and they playing like it's a spiritual game,trust they all involved it the bullshit
This so incredibly unbelievable. This case is the absolute crazy! This chick needs to go down with the rest of the demons. What a horrible life for those children.
They are not protecting her. They are protecting the integrity of Chads trial. They need an impartial jury for that one. Publicizing her trial would affect his. That is what they are doing. I dont think anybody there gives a crap about this horrible woman.
Each state has its own sets of law what is considered a trial that can be publicly recorded or who can be in the court room. Yeah I personally would like to watch all the testimony.
Truly stunning. How gullible can a thinking person be! I felt so bad for her son, during the phone call. Hopefully, his faith will help him get past this dark chapter in his life. Forgiveness will be hard.
They were deceived because "... For even though they knew God (through creation), they did not honor Him as God or give thanks, but they became futile in their speculations and their foolish heart was darkened..." Romans 1:20, but the whole chapter really.
I’m not sure it wasn’t even about religion or the end times, as it’s purely about having anything she wanted imo she expected everyone to worship her as her brother did, her friends and Chad did
@@natalied.9420 I know how you feel, there was a time when I was a Satanist over things I saw and experienced but I can assure you there is a God and that He is good. He revealed Himself to me when I read the Bible. Nothing crazy like this! I would just encourage you to read it and open your heart to the possibility that it's true ❤️
I said the same thing...these dummies are lying,this is a huge insurance scheme,they killed the kids the husband the brother ETC everybody that Lori had insurance taken out on died!! They are killers for monies and everybody else was involved!!
That phone call from Lori son while she was in jail was priceless...that alone would give her life without ever seeing daylight,he even prayed for Chad,Her Son shall be blessed forever,Lori and Chad shall burn in HELL!!
It was clear enough we could hear she does not care at all about Colby or how this has affected him. Her laughing and even trying to blame him because he wasn't there shows she has no soul.
Even if Lori truly believed Chad's lies the fact he know calls his books that are about this religion his fictional stories would be enough to make her gang her self but she had to know it was all lies because not one of his kids were dark! Tammy wasn't dark until Lori had always kill Charles and move to Rexburg!
Don't remember the Casey Anthony trial? Defense also uses abuse and mental health to help bring about the case of doubt and uses sometimes to have a jury have sympathy for the defendant. I don't agree with all tactics but it's there in many cases. I hope this isn't another Casey Anthony trial and she only get a slap on the hand.
The defense seems to be looking for perjury and or failure of the prosecutor to disclose evidence or engage with the witness without their knowledge. Most cases are won on technical issues, however, this case seems solid so far. She strikes me as a malignant narcissist.
I'm wondering of the defense is being intentionally incompetent at this point. She's going to win an appeal for ineffective council. They aren't doing anything to try and poke holes or create reasonable doubt.
theyre trying to establish that Lori Vallow would not be the person who would murder, dismember, and compost the very children she fought to protect from an abuser
Woooow to that phone call!!! My heart broke for Colby 💔 His words were so viceral and raw. This call sealed her fate as monster. She fucking LAUGHED and made it about HER. Holy Narcissist. Like, next level...psychopathic for sure. "I'm sorry you feel that way" is their favorite gaslight phrase.
The very long pregnant pause by the attorney, questioning Zulima, and then waiting for her to begin to speak before he says that he has no further questions was slightly beautiful even though he is the defense attorney.
Alleged sexual abuse. There was never any findings that Joseph Ryan did anything to Colby. These were fantastical stories created by Lori. The legal/CPS documents are available for the public to read.
@@mimikay5421Joe’s own sister Annie confirmed in an interview that Joe was physically abusive to Colby and she witness it. All the other allegations were never substantiated and those are the ones I believe Lori put in their heads that it happened knowing damn well they were nothing but lies.
@@tammyirwin703 Yes, Thank you 🙂 You’re correct, Annie did say Joe was physically aggressive with Colby. Was thinking about the SA allegations. Will edit my comment now.
Witness stand, I think. Both Brandon and Colby seemed to be crying while testifying. I could be wrong, but that's what it sounded like. No sniffing during Zulemas or Melanie's testimony.
The background sounds of the clicking of the computers reminds me of, maybe a room full of really judgey people with their arms crossed, smacking their gum, while listening to the testimony
Him having to be there on the stand is rough. & I bet she still didn't look him in the eye, this poor man 💯 has survivors guilt & would've taken his siblings in, in a heartbeat. I remember when he made his YT before his wife filed them charges & we flooded him with love & support & he was vlogging & trying to normalize his life with what little he had left & it was heart breaking. & for being loaded & "Hot" she looks like she was hit by a bus.. Jails doing her no service & I'm glad!
Keeping Colby on the witness stand during the playing of the telephone call was unduly cruel. They could have just asked him to remain in the courtroom and called him back if there were questions. Hearing his mother try to accuse him because he "wasn't there" is beyond evil! Even with all the evidence against her - and him being in another state - she is clearly trying to blame him for the deaths of his sister and brother! There are not enough negative words in human language to describe that assortment of cells named Lori.
the person removed did nothing wrong.. they thought she took a photo of Lori.. but she didn't she even gave her phone to the bailiff and he confirmed no photos were taken.. it was insane.... she did nothing wrong...
She's the only one who said she was booted for trying to take Lori Vallow's pic. The judge was clear when he said she was removed on advice from counsel/s and bailiffs for her "behavior" and "disprupting the courtroom". No mention of taking photos or a phone- which the judge has repeatedly asked to be turned off.
The only one not emotional and heartbroken about the deaths of Tylee and J.J. is their own mother. If demons do possess people, then Lori is proof of that. It wasn’t Charles, Tammy or those innocent kids. I wonder if she’ll ever come to that realization.
I feel like blaming this on being in a "cult" is a cop-out. Chad and Lori used their religion as a way to target and manipulate those around them into doing what they wanted done. Charles and the children are the real victims and what Charles went through including his final moments are unbelievable. Lori was the mastermind and her only card to play is her faith... Its amazing how she uses it to gaslight, silence and confuse those around her and sadly i doubt we will ever know the whole truth because of Alex's timely death. SPECIAL PLACE IN HELL FOR LORI, CHAD and those who aided them.
If she says Alex did it and they let her get away with this, I’m done. I’ll be headed back home to the UK. Additionally, these lines of questioning have nothing much to do with Lori’s crimes. This just shows they were all crazy. Lori has already been deemed fit to stand trial, so what is the point? Yes we need to go over it, but why do we have to hit it so hard? What kind of drugs were these people doing? Lol Holly and Garrett? These people needed to come up with some better names!
@@synaesthesia4183 There is no defense for her. Among other things, she told multiple people she knew where the children were. She kept spending their S.S. benefits after they were dead - they were not with her and none of it was spent on anything to benefit them. Apparently, she didn't tell S.S. she re-married because she didn't want to lose that check either. Her own actions and things she told people have not given a defense attorney anything solid to use.
@Glenna Rose That's all true, but the defense attorneys in this very odd case are blessed with reasonable doubt---The #1 defense strategy that gets guilty clients acquitted is creating the "What if someone else did it" theory. In this case, they have no Hx of Lori being violent or criminal until she met Chad. Alex and Chad would be perfect scapegoats and the defense should be that Lori and Alex were manipulated by Chad. Timelines support the theory. Following the money, we know Lori was the lead for everything, but the defense is doing a poor job.
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She also committed felony embezzlement from ss. Lori and JJ drew 1900.00 each a month. That is $3800. Combined. She continued to draw after his death and her marriage!!
The kids (while alive) are allowed to draw SS survivor benefits from their father even if Lori gets remarried). But she can't get them once she's remarried.
Makes me wonder if the kids would have lived a little longer if she would have received the life insurance from her ex husband after her brother murdered him. She should be charged for that murder too. Just evil! These murders were about money and wanting to start all over with Chad. Religion was an excuse. Sickening.
Do you think this evil woman really thought she was going to get away with this? I think this is truly one of the worst murder cases I’ve ever listened to. We will never know what those poor kids had to endure. I just can’t agree that they took the death penalty away on this case. My sympathies to Colby and the rest of the poor families left to live with this.😢
Had Kay not kept pressing for J.J. being found (and Tylee of course), we might never have known about it. Someone might have looked at it after Tammy's death but not likely since L.E. would not have made the connection between the death of Charles in Arizona and Tammy in Idaho to be suspicious about the children. If Chad had gotten his permit to pour the concrete for his trailer, the children might never have been found. I wonder if Tammy would have let him pour concrete there since that is where the pets were buried.
this nefarious judges non-transparency fascia decision to not allows cameras is pretty indicative of those who need to be removed in this day and age. no more hiding. You can tell how insane he is about it by what he did removing that woman for his false paranoid belief she had taken a picture. IS this judge super religious or a Mormon? I think it would answer a lot of questions about some of the undertones this judge gives off.
The Mormon influence is why there were no cameras allowed. They don’t want to be associated with this, despite the fact that they directly contributed to it and Lori’s beliefs are just as crazy.
I would object to a moron judge......but maybe only a Buddist could have a moral compass or atheist, we live in a stupid state of misinformation with decades of end times. For Lousy and Chucky this is the END.
I feel bad he text his sister for months and then found out no it's his mom pretending to be his sister because she killed her. And in a horrific way ripped her poor body apart with a fing pick ax! That has to be one of the most brutal ways to dismember a body.
@shirleyscoveil: l heard a good discussion of how powerful Church of LDS is in Idaho and the pressure on court system not to televise this trial. The Bishop sent letter to all LDS members in that area to refuse to talk to any news media.The Patriarchs squashed this horror story as much as possible. If these killers lived outside the Az/Utah/Idaho nation/state or they were not LDS, they would have been in custody before murders. So heartbreaking. The police refused to look into people involved until it was too late. Charles Vallow and the Woodcocks tried so hard to get help. What a tragedy.
After listening to this testimony, from the beginning, I am amazed that people actually believe in this cult Ideology? I can surely understand why Jim Jones, Manson, and others are so strongly supported, and successful it’s because people are dumb enough to actually believe people like this!! Most confusing to me? Lack of education? Lack of empathy? I would love to know the answer about(edit) how people can actually believe this stuff??
Such an interesting question. I asked the same thing and thought about how certain traits were common in Lori and Chad's followers. Melanie, Zulema, and whoever else....all seemed to crave authority and direction, they got seduced by the idea they would have an opportunityto stand out and feel important....they could be SPECIAL if they followed the charismatic charm and direction of those they wished they were. Lori had the psychopathic charm, Chad had the "authority". These people craved purpose and meaning, the idea of being "chosen" was too seductive to ignore. The religious element was a way to affirm they were morally superior, doing the right thing, going to attain peace. Fascinating how most of us would giggle though lol. In a nutshell: people who dont think for themselves and inexperienced with the reality of manipulation and deception.
I’m super impressed that Colby did not swear once during that infuriating jailhouse call to his mom… I would have came to that call armed with a sack of F Bombs.
If you’ve ever watched ‘the Book of Mormon’ show, you’ll understand how insane you need to be to believe any of this in the first place. They went to next level bonkers
Colby is a Mormon and Christianity does not recognize the Mormon God or their Jesus as the Biblical Son of God. Mormons do not believe in the deity of Christ or the virgin birth of Christ.
@@Shaylala19937just when he needed a little here and there not all her money like the person made it sound like.I use to give my sisters and brother money and they gave me some,no big deal
Lori sent him money and told him to buy his own birthday present from Tyler's account as Lori took control of it even when Tylee complained. Colby only received gifts to help him out as both had $1900 a month ($3800) (Lori and Tylee) from social security death benefits, husband number 2? Colby is a son ... Well entitled as son or brother to be assisted. Didn't seem like much.😊
Just sounds like so many transactions from multiple platforms could not keep track of. Kind of sounds like cake being sliced😎. I remember hearing about a vehicle Colby was gifted. After the detail, looked bran nu. Alot going on round them Cox's. You have to wonder what Al's numbers actually are.
i do believe Colby was yet another victim of the situation. He is however messed up like the rest of that family and he has not treated Charles fairly either
totally agree Colby went with Lori to get all Charles's stuff his truck computer and very valuable watches...Charles's sons were sent a box of 25-dollar Timex watches ...the whole family starting with Lori's parents is all about the almighty $ ......
@@maryannenizio5074 his appearances on the Netflix documentary felt at times so staged , especially the one in the beach in Hawaii . I believe Adam was the only person that was kind to poor Charles ,the rest of them were pretty disgraceful
@@justme-fe2sf Annie Cushing was Tylees aunt and she has done the deep dive into this messed up family A Murderous Heart YT .... Adam was playing Charles per the police and Annie ... he was telling Lori everything ...Brandon Boudreaux was the only 1 ..but he got so scared for his own life he disconnected ...Annie has done tons of work on digging into what was going on and BTW she believes Lori murdered Joe Ryan and I agree with her
I found Justin Lum's interview with Zac Cox very interesting and also Nate Eatons piece with Annie Cushing on Dr. Oz. I think there is a lot not being said as to Colby Ryan's relationship with his mother, where he was, how Charles more or less gave him everything but got little loyalty or support when this all started. I think Colby was involved in helping his mum at critical times and was brainwashed by her behaviour for a very long time. He left things too late for me to believe in him other than I can understand why he has survivors guilt. Why didn't he work with Adam, Zac and Charles?
The cross examination from the defense on Lori regarding the social security benefits and her not reporting the kids missing judge asked if they wanna cross their answer NOPE 😆
I read someone accused them of taking pictures,but they didn't even have their phone on them. They were escorted out anyway. Don't take me to church on that...just what I heard thru the Reddit grapevine.
I really wonder if Lori was always sociopathic or if it developed suddenly. From testimony she supposedly was a loving dedicated mom until she wasn't. Her son mentioned in an interview he was surprised by his mom's demeanor when he confronted her. This is so bizarre from a psychological standpoint. It's almost like SHE is the zombie.
I am sorry, but I believe she could not control her daughter, and she knew too much, so they had to get her out of the way. Then she had no one to take care of JJ, but she still wanted the money but didn't want the little boy. An evil twisted plot by three adults to get rid of everything in their way.
That's what he said. So sad. I live in AZ and looked up her records from family court. In her divorce from Joe Ryan (Joe is the one who filled, not Lori) only 1 minor child is listed who would have been Tylee (the names of minors aren't published) so it looks like he never legally adopted him whereas in Charles' filing 1 minor child is listed who would have been JJ whom he legally adopted with Lori
as a Brit and not understanding the US social security system.... Can I ask a question about death benefits? Tylee was getting a lot of money after her dad died. Is this standard in the US, or something that only happens if the dad has set something upon his death? It seems that receiving this kind of money could be problematic for a lot of kids with unscrupulous parents who are wanting to get their hands on their kid's money... like she did!
Yes, a parent will receive Social Security Benefits for a child if a parent dies. This is something everyone who works pays into. What you get depends on how much you pay in. Once a child turns 18, it will stop unless the child is going to college. Then payments will continue for a few more years, but go to the child or stay with the parent if they are still financially responsible for them. It will also continue past the age of 18 if the child has a disability. There is also life insurance policy payment that one can get. Like the one Lori was hoping for when Alex murdered her ex husband but, that's completely different from SS.
All I hear are Witnesses that I think should have been charged 100% as Accomplices before and after the fact, taking LOOOONG pauses so they dont say anything to incriminating about what they were knee deep involved in and attempting to skirt around facts and parts of stories and timelines that contributed to these victims demise. Let me guess, they gave her immunity??
Based on what I heard of Zuleum's background she had a very violent traumatic childhood and Alex was her 6th husband. I think she has been messed up since she was a kid, based on the childhood trauma. She was a very easy target for Lori and Chad.
What was Zulimas mission? Alexs bandaid? The LSD guys must be cringing right about now. So being empowered and enjoying it all these false things made her feel good enough to (abuse) fix others instead of being open to change herself. Sorry about her abuse just wondering aloud is this psyche transparent? How many husbands later would you start to address yourself ? This feels like a succubus mentality never treated. Compare it to people including children who actually died.
😂😂oh my lord we need a 6 inch heel on the boots for this Testimony smh...saw god , the blessed Mother and jesus but remembered very little about anything else....🥴
Chad invented a fantasy others believed. He was sick of his unfullfilled life and found the formula to get a hot babe plus fortune and fame as a religion based 'rock star'.
I watched the series Under The Banner Of Heaven, and this is so eerily similar! I don’t know much about the Mormon religion but it can’t be anything like these monsters!
What they did is very similar to what Joseph Smith did when he started the Mormon religion, claiming to have seen God the Father, seeing the Father and Jesus together and other contradictions. He claimed God was a man on another planet who achieved godhood and was given this planet to populate with his wife in heaven (therefore having lots of sex). He claimed Jesus was God's first offspring and that Satan and Jesus are brothers (and ours because, he claimed, we were all spirit babies created in heaven and put into bodies on earth). He claimed men can become gods but had to have multiple wives, therefore they practiced polygamy but suddenly Brigham Young got a revelation that they shouldn't anymore after they called on the US Calvary to help them from Indian raids after they were run out of New York, Illinois and Missouri settling in the great salt lake (a US territory at the time) when the US said no way because they were practicing polygamy... Oh, and they have "prophets" who claim to have ongoing revelation, like Brigham Young did, so that things can change at any time. Pretty convenient I'd say. There is so much more to Mormonism but this is just an idea of where Chad and Lori are coming from
That phone call with Colby sounds staged to me. Funny how she says you weren't there and summer wasn't there and Janice wasn't there and mellie wasn't there. Hmmm sus
I don't understand the last question the defense asked Zulema. The texts and her testimony stated she was at the temple where Lori was supposed to meet her but didnt,she saw a vision and that is was the day Charles died. What did he mean by what happened? I think she didn't understand what he was getting at either.
He was asking her about the details about what she saw…she said she saw God, Jesus, and whoever else but then asked about the details like what it was like, she said she doesn’t remember. I think cuz she didn’t “see” anyone and made it all up.
Zulema was complicit knowing about the 'demon excising', having multiple conversations about it with them including detailed talk about shootings and getting rid of the demons in the kids. So she then meets Alex a part of the group and the murderer/shooter and after a total of 5 times meeting... then married him ?
I knew Mormons believed crazy shit but damn. It sounds like some of them have totally lost the plot. Fuck, it sounds like bad fiction that most of us would toss back as simply too far out there to the point they almost seem to be talking a different language.
Zulima focuses on them healing her pretend demons but playdowns involvement in being keen on the idea of them all get ridding of the so called evil demons. Meaning people - Zulima was a serious succubus in ways. Complicit and needy
Lori defense have no case, like literally NOTHING!!!! She is GUILTY GUILTY
She's been guilty from day one,not just two dead children,she has a dead husband,shot twice by her brother,set up by Lori and Chad and they shot at her other husband who escaped these weirdo's!! They playing with spirits,weird thoughts and plain mental retardation!! This female on this witness stand should be locked the F up too....
and GUILTY!🎯
that phone call was so hard to listen to. lori LAUGHING in the face of her son’s despair is, in my opinion, a nail in her coffin for the defense. so disturbing.
That was...unbelievable. My blood ran cold and I study psychopaths.
Guess playing the only card she has. Committed to the mental illness path. Think had to be evaluated x 2, no?
Completely aware recording will be heard in court...
Lori is not the brain.
It really shows how cold blooded Lori is when cops cry about her children’s deaths and she has no reactions!!
Well except to laugh
Yea that was tough hearing the detective crying
It's truly unbelievable. Psychopathic people terrify me for faking human for this long....
A true psychopath. No conscience.
Her laughing on that call with Colby was just so wicked
Her laugh in the call with Colby is chilling.
Omg that was insane.
Not particularly religious, but considering how center stone it is to this case it seems... someone laughing at the face of being called blasphemous... thats something demonic, Lori Vallow so obsessed with 'ridding' others of evil spirits didnt realize that she, herself, was consorting with the devil and became the very dark/demonic soul she touted as other people being. Classic Narcissism. Call out others for what you are doing.
ntm she mocks scripture
Broke my heart to hear him cry
If this woman ever walks out of prison, I will know this country’s justice system is completely bogus.
What you said....and if they let this crazy woman who's speaking out of their sight this system is just as whacked as they are,they got folks playing with spirits and shit, SMFH!!
You know, the 'country' doesn't have a justice system. Only under certain circumstances does a case get tried in federal court.
@@todd3205 gee thanks I figured you would understand that the USA lays the foundation for what states can and cannot do.
Believe me your country has a way better system than us in Denmark.. Murderers and pedophiles in my country don't even get life in prison, they call it life in prison but it is 16 years maximum, after 12 years they can be considered for parole, it is ridiculous, I am so sick of it!
If Casey Anthony only walked away with a slap on the hand I do think Lori as well will not be found guilty on a lot of the charges...Sadly
These people in this cult, and that’s exactly what it is, are just plain crazy!
They are past crazy and this weird chick needs to be locked up too....man she's weird,I would never wanna live next to her nor be in the same room as them,I believe this is all an insurance scheme,and they playing like it's a spiritual game,trust they all involved it the bullshit
This so incredibly unbelievable. This case is the absolute crazy!
This chick needs to go down with the rest of the demons. What a horrible life for those children.
why do they protect her so much? when the trial of Alex Murdoch was video and people got to go to the court room and watch!! why is she any better??
They are not protecting her. They are protecting the integrity of Chads trial. They need an impartial jury for that one. Publicizing her trial would affect his. That is what they are doing. I dont think anybody there gives a crap about this horrible woman.
Each state has its own sets of law what is considered a trial that can be publicly recorded or who can be in the court room. Yeah I personally would like to watch all the testimony.
Strange how we see the rot inside starting to surface.
Why do I think 'Zulema of the little girl voice'' is lying under oath? About everything....
Truly stunning. How gullible can a thinking person be! I felt so bad for her son, during the phone call. Hopefully, his faith will help him get past this dark chapter in his life. Forgiveness will be hard.
How can all these people be so deceived ? O God I pray you bring these people back to you !
Religion. Is. Thought control.
They were deceived because "... For even though they knew God (through creation), they did not honor Him as God or give thanks, but they became futile in their speculations and their foolish heart was darkened..." Romans 1:20, but the whole chapter really.
I’m not sure it wasn’t even about religion or the end times, as it’s purely about having anything she wanted imo she expected everyone to worship her as her brother did, her friends and Chad did
Makes me all the more grateful to be a devout atheist!
@@natalied.9420 I know how you feel, there was a time when I was a Satanist over things I saw and experienced but I can assure you there is a God and that He is good. He revealed Himself to me when I read the Bible. Nothing crazy like this! I would just encourage you to read it and open your heart to the possibility that it's true ❤️
killers using religion to justify their deeds.
I said the same thing...these dummies are lying,this is a huge insurance scheme,they killed the kids the husband the brother ETC everybody that Lori had insurance taken out on died!! They are killers for monies and everybody else was involved!!
Religion does that to people far too often
That phone call from Lori son while she was in jail was priceless...that alone would give her life without ever seeing daylight,he even prayed for Chad,Her Son shall be blessed forever,Lori and Chad shall burn in HELL!!
That phone call was so eerie. Very difficult to hear but grateful for the post!
It was clear enough we could hear she does not care at all about Colby or how this has affected him. Her laughing and even trying to blame him because he wasn't there shows she has no soul.
That poor child he dodged a bullet but my heart goes out to him
Yeah I would bet money Chad would have noticed he was dark too if he was still relying on lori.
Even if Lori truly believed Chad's lies the fact he know calls his books that are about this religion his fictional stories would be enough to make her gang her self but she had to know it was all lies because not one of his kids were dark! Tammy wasn't dark until Lori had always kill Charles and move to Rexburg!
If defense had any valuable argument they would have never touched the abuse that has nothing to do with the murder of two children
Don't remember the Casey Anthony trial? Defense also uses abuse and mental health to help bring about the case of doubt and uses sometimes to have a jury have sympathy for the defendant. I don't agree with all tactics but it's there in many cases. I hope this isn't another Casey Anthony trial and she only get a slap on the hand.
The defense seems to be looking for perjury and or failure of the prosecutor to disclose evidence or engage with the witness without their knowledge. Most cases are won on technical issues, however, this case seems solid so far. She strikes me as a malignant narcissist.
I'm wondering of the defense is being intentionally incompetent at this point. She's going to win an appeal for ineffective council. They aren't doing anything to try and poke holes or create reasonable doubt.
theyre trying to establish that Lori Vallow would not be the person who would murder, dismember, and compost the very children she fought to protect from an abuser
@@synaesthesia4183 agreed
Woooow to that phone call!!! My heart broke for Colby 💔 His words were so viceral and raw. This call sealed her fate as monster. She fucking LAUGHED and made it about HER. Holy Narcissist. Like, next level...psychopathic for sure. "I'm sorry you feel that way" is their favorite gaslight phrase.
Prob right never thought about it like that
Do remember she always tell the person she loves them!
The very long pregnant pause by the attorney, questioning Zulima, and then waiting for her to begin to speak before he says that he has no further questions was slightly beautiful even though he is the defense attorney.
I loved it. She had been lying so long, putting on this halting, childlike speech......enough was enough! I’m GLAD the attorney nailed her!
I like that that witness stood up for herself
Colby is so strong and so smart. His heart is in the right place with the Lord, genuine faith and trust.
I knew that shitty attorney was going to bring up the sex abuse from Joe Ryan to Colby. That was completely unnecessary.
Wish Colby would’ve admitted all of the SA allegations against Joe Ryan were unfounded because Lori manipulated him like she manipulated Tylee.
Alleged sexual abuse. There was never any findings that Joseph Ryan did anything to Colby. These were fantastical stories created by Lori. The legal/CPS documents are available for the public to read.
@@mimikay5421Joe’s own sister Annie confirmed in an interview that Joe was physically abusive to Colby and she witness it. All the other allegations were never substantiated and those are the ones I believe Lori put in their heads that it happened knowing damn well they were nothing but lies.
@@tammyirwin703
Yes, Thank you 🙂
You’re correct, Annie did say Joe was physically aggressive with Colby. Was thinking about the SA allegations. Will edit my comment now.
@@mimikay5421 no problem!
breaks you're heart she's being cruel to her son
Why is there a person sniffing in every single audio on every single channel I listen to this on. It's unbearable.
Witness stand, I think. Both Brandon and Colby seemed to be crying while testifying. I could be wrong, but that's what it sounded like. No sniffing during Zulemas or Melanie's testimony.
Because the judge made Colby sit on the stand while this recording played and he’s crying and it’s hard for him to hear.
The background sounds of the clicking of the computers reminds me of, maybe a room full of really judgey people with their arms crossed, smacking their gum, while listening to the testimony
Lori looked alot younger with her Hawaiian tan than she does with her Jailhouse pallor 😂
Her face sure did change a lot!
I think the evil in her is creeping to the surface….and no Botox in jail😂
I'm from Canada and our pastor was a crazy southern independent Baptist. So many left his crazy preaching
I think I get much of my SELF control from my southern independent baptist affiliation. I maintain a high standard.
@Summer Smith that's great. I maintain high standard and self control without all the religion and church stuff.
The judge seems to be on the defenses side.
Selective delusions and lots of hesitation with all those “uhhhs”. 🤔🤨🧐
Said it back during preliminary trial and I say it again IMO it’s all driven by Money. And Ego
Him having to be there on the stand is rough. & I bet she still didn't look him in the eye, this poor man 💯 has survivors guilt & would've taken his siblings in, in a heartbeat. I remember when he made his YT before his wife filed them charges & we flooded him with love & support & he was vlogging & trying to normalize his life with what little he had left & it was heart breaking.
& for being loaded & "Hot" she looks like she was hit by a bus.. Jails doing her no service & I'm glad!
I bet she did look at him, to try to manipulate his testimony
Keeping Colby on the witness stand during the playing of the telephone call was unduly cruel. They could have just asked him to remain in the courtroom and called him back if there were questions.
Hearing his mother try to accuse him because he "wasn't there" is beyond evil! Even with all the evidence against her - and him being in another state - she is clearly trying to blame him for the deaths of his sister and brother!
There are not enough negative words in human language to describe that assortment of cells named Lori.
the person removed did nothing wrong.. they thought she took a photo of Lori.. but she didn't she even gave her phone to the bailiff and he confirmed no photos were taken.. it was insane.... she did nothing wrong...
She's the only one who said she was booted for trying to take Lori Vallow's pic. The judge was clear when he said she was removed on advice from counsel/s and bailiffs for her "behavior" and "disprupting the courtroom". No mention of taking photos or a phone- which the judge has repeatedly asked to be turned off.
You must be kidding.
If the phones are to be turned off, they are to be turned off. Cell phones have absolutely no business in a court room during a trial, none at all.
❤ Thank You 🙏
The only one not emotional and heartbroken about the deaths of Tylee and J.J. is their own mother. If demons do possess people, then Lori is proof of that. It wasn’t Charles, Tammy or those innocent kids. I wonder if she’ll ever come to that realization.
"We just don't know what happened." Yes, we do! Sick and evil.
I feel like blaming this on being in a "cult" is a cop-out. Chad and Lori used their religion as a way to target and manipulate those around them into doing what they wanted done.
Charles and the children are the real victims and what Charles went through including his final moments are unbelievable.
Lori was the mastermind and her only card to play is her faith... Its amazing how she uses it to gaslight, silence and confuse those around her and sadly i doubt we will ever know the whole truth because of Alex's timely death.
SPECIAL PLACE IN HELL FOR LORI, CHAD and those who aided them.
So true. They wanted them gone and money. Truly evil.
If she says Alex did it and they let her get away with this, I’m done. I’ll be headed back home to the UK.
Additionally, these lines of questioning have nothing much to do with Lori’s crimes. This just shows they were all crazy. Lori has already been deemed fit to stand trial, so what is the point? Yes we need to go over it, but why do we have to hit it so hard? What kind of drugs were these people doing? Lol Holly and Garrett? These people needed to come up with some better names!
I'm terrified of her conviction being overturned. Her lawyers are the worst I've ever seen. Not even trying.
theyre using it because its ALL they have to use as a defense
other wise this is just an evil, materialistic woman who deserves the death penalty
@@synaesthesia4183 There is no defense for her. Among other things, she told multiple people she knew where the children were. She kept spending their S.S. benefits after they were dead - they were not with her and none of it was spent on anything to benefit them.
Apparently, she didn't tell S.S. she re-married because she didn't want to lose that check either.
Her own actions and things she told people have not given a defense attorney anything solid to use.
I believe the name given was Hillary…which made me smile in this disgusting truly unbelievable case.
@Glenna Rose That's all true, but the defense attorneys in this very odd case are blessed with reasonable doubt---The #1 defense strategy that gets guilty clients acquitted is creating the "What if someone else did it" theory. In this case, they have no Hx of Lori being violent or criminal until she met Chad. Alex and Chad would be perfect scapegoats and the defense should be that Lori and Alex were manipulated by Chad. Timelines support the theory.
Following the money, we know Lori was the lead for everything, but the defense is doing a poor job.
My Gawd the ads are so annoying! I have never seen so many in a video!
I was thinking the same thing. Glad you commented I was starting to think it was just me.
I downloaded an application from memory ‘no more ads’ it cost $39.00AUS for a year discounted from an option of monthly payments - well worth it!
Occasional quick ads slip by which to me is annoying but obviously the application is working if you are experiencing a flood.
These attorneys suck. Especially defense.
Omgosh!! I’m over this prosecutor and these questions of the detective!🙄🤦🏽♀️ these lawyers do NOT have trial energy!
She also committed felony embezzlement from ss. Lori and JJ drew 1900.00 each a month. That is $3800. Combined. She continued to draw after his death and her marriage!!
The kids (while alive) are allowed to draw SS survivor benefits from their father even if Lori gets remarried). But she can't get them once she's remarried.
Gosh
Where did Tylee's money originate from ? Ryan's death?
Makes me wonder if the kids would have lived a little longer if she would have received the life insurance from her ex husband after her brother murdered him. She should be charged for that murder too. Just evil! These murders were about money and wanting to start all over with Chad. Religion was an excuse. Sickening.
Do you think this evil woman really thought she was going to get away with this? I think this is truly one of the worst murder cases I’ve ever listened to. We will never know what those poor kids had to endure. I just can’t agree that they took the death penalty away on this case. My sympathies to Colby and the rest of the poor families left to live with this.😢
Had Kay not kept pressing for J.J. being found (and Tylee of course), we might never have known about it. Someone might have looked at it after Tammy's death but not likely since L.E. would not have made the connection between the death of Charles in Arizona and Tammy in Idaho to be suspicious about the children.
If Chad had gotten his permit to pour the concrete for his trailer, the children might never have been found. I wonder if Tammy would have let him pour concrete there since that is where the pets were buried.
this nefarious judges non-transparency fascia decision to not allows cameras is pretty indicative of those who need to be removed in this day and age. no more hiding. You can tell how insane he is about it by what he did removing that woman for his false paranoid belief she had taken a picture. IS this judge super religious or a Mormon? I think it would answer a lot of questions about some of the undertones this judge gives off.
I think judge is Mormon or possible ex mormon.
I believe I read that the judge is Mormon.
The Mormon influence is why there were no cameras allowed. They don’t want to be associated with this, despite the fact that they directly contributed to it and Lori’s beliefs are just as crazy.
I heard he is Mormon
I would object to a moron judge......but maybe only a Buddist could have a moral compass or atheist, we live in a stupid state of misinformation with decades of end times. For Lousy and Chucky this is the END.
When she cackled it sounded like a demon
I feel bad he text his sister for months and then found out no it's his mom pretending to be his sister because she killed her. And in a horrific way ripped her poor body apart with a fing pick ax! That has to be one of the most brutal ways to dismember a body.
Where did you hear it was a pick ax??
@@naturegirllover in the testimony from the cops that found her dna on the pick ax, found in Chads shed
Court tv is doing a great job filling us in but you know we were all looking forward to watching this trial unfair
@shirleyscoveil: l heard a good discussion of how powerful Church of LDS is in Idaho and the pressure on court system not to televise this trial. The Bishop sent letter to all LDS members in that area to refuse to talk to any news media.The Patriarchs squashed this horror story as much as possible. If these killers lived outside the Az/Utah/Idaho nation/state or they were not LDS, they would have been in custody before murders. So heartbreaking. The police refused to look into people involved until it was too late. Charles Vallow and the Woodcocks tried so hard to get help. What a tragedy.
Life is unfair!
Idk why, but this attorney's voice irritates me
I'm surprised the defense didn't pound zulema more often into answering "yes or no" to their questions
Why do they not show the actual trial instead of just a pic of the accused.
I've never seen or heard a detective cry on the stand
I know, that was heartbreaking
After listening to this testimony, from the beginning, I am amazed that people actually believe in this cult Ideology? I can surely understand why Jim Jones, Manson, and others are so strongly supported, and successful it’s because people are dumb enough to actually believe people like this!! Most confusing to me? Lack of education? Lack of empathy? I would love to know the answer about(edit) how people can actually believe this stuff??
Such an interesting question. I asked the same thing and thought about how certain traits were common in Lori and Chad's followers.
Melanie, Zulema, and whoever else....all seemed to crave authority and direction, they got seduced by the idea they would have an opportunityto stand out and feel important....they could be SPECIAL if they followed the charismatic charm and direction of those they wished they were. Lori had the psychopathic charm, Chad had the "authority". These people craved purpose and meaning, the idea of being "chosen" was too seductive to ignore. The religious element was a way to affirm they were morally superior, doing the right thing, going to attain peace. Fascinating how most of us would giggle though lol.
In a nutshell: people who dont think for themselves and inexperienced with the reality of manipulation and deception.
I would have to say lack of self worth, lack of education, gullibility, pathetic creatures,,,,
The answer is in Romans 1 in the Bible.
@@galeocean4182 And I think that right there is why our society is in big trouble
It's like they're having real life Pokémon battles
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Hahahahahahahaha!!!! Damn
I’m super impressed that Colby did not swear once during that infuriating jailhouse call to his mom… I would have came to that call armed with a sack of F Bombs.
Who was removed from the courtroom? 😮
Lori Helis (a reporter) a conflict between the judge & her. Lori Helis will be allowed back in court room tomorrow.
The judge thought Lori Helis took a photo of Lori Vallow
Lori Helis gave her phone it was confirmed no photo taken. But removed her anyway. What bs.
@@Kathysmith123 Big deal.
@therealz 360z 🙄🤡 mummy and daddy need to remove your ph
@@todd3205 🙄🤡
Wow, poor Colby, my heart breaks .. he is completely shattered ! She is a disgusting creature.
If you’ve ever watched ‘the Book of Mormon’ show, you’ll understand how insane you need to be to believe any of this in the first place. They went to next level bonkers
Colby sounds the only real Christian amongst them.
Colby is a Mormon and Christianity does not recognize the Mormon God or their Jesus as the Biblical Son of God. Mormons do not believe in the deity of Christ or the virgin birth of Christ.
Definitely
Why are they sending him $$ so much. Why is Tylee sending her survivor benefits to her adult brother?
How much $$?
What?! I missed that! Tylee was sending her older brother money???
@@Shaylala19937just when he needed a little here and there not all her money like the person made it sound like.I use to give my sisters and brother money and they gave me some,no big deal
Not much no big deal
Lori sent him money and told him to buy his own birthday present from Tyler's account as Lori took control of it even when Tylee complained. Colby only received gifts to help him out as both had $1900 a month ($3800) (Lori and Tylee) from social security death benefits, husband number 2? Colby is a son ... Well entitled as son or brother to be assisted. Didn't seem like much.😊
Just sounds like so many transactions from multiple platforms could not keep track of.
Kind of sounds like cake being sliced😎.
I remember hearing about a vehicle Colby was gifted. After the detail, looked bran nu.
Alot going on round them Cox's.
You have to wonder what Al's numbers actually are.
i do believe Colby was yet another victim of the situation. He is however messed up like the rest of that family and he has not treated Charles fairly either
totally agree Colby went with Lori to get all Charles's stuff his truck computer and very valuable watches...Charles's sons were sent a box of 25-dollar Timex watches ...the whole family starting with Lori's parents is all about the almighty $ ......
@@maryannenizio5074 his appearances on the Netflix documentary felt at times so staged , especially the one in the beach in Hawaii . I believe Adam was the only person that was kind to poor Charles ,the rest of them were pretty disgraceful
@@justme-fe2sf Annie Cushing was Tylees aunt and she has done the deep dive into this messed up family A Murderous Heart YT .... Adam was playing Charles per the police and Annie ... he was telling Lori everything ...Brandon Boudreaux was the only 1 ..but he got so scared for his own life he disconnected ...Annie has done tons of work on digging into what was going on and BTW she believes Lori murdered Joe Ryan and I agree with her
I found Justin Lum's interview with Zac Cox very interesting and also Nate Eatons piece with Annie Cushing on Dr. Oz. I think there is a lot not being said as to Colby Ryan's relationship with his mother, where he was, how Charles more or less gave him everything but got little loyalty or support when this all started. I think Colby was involved in helping his mum at critical times and was brainwashed by her behaviour for a very long time. He left things too late for me to believe in him other than I can understand why he has survivors guilt. Why didn't he work with Adam, Zac and Charles?
@@lynneserman6054 I agree and most of the answer is $$$$$$$$ IMHO
The cross examination from the defense on Lori regarding the social security benefits and her not reporting the kids missing judge asked if they wanna cross their answer NOPE 😆
They should probably keep an eye on Zulema! She’s not right. She’s what we call “touched” but not by the Holy Ghost! 😂
What did the person who was removed do?
That's what I want to know, too!
I read someone accused them of taking pictures,but they didn't even have their phone on them. They were escorted out anyway. Don't take me to church on that...just what I heard thru the Reddit grapevine.
Colby is such a good person.
I really wonder if Lori was always sociopathic or if it developed suddenly. From testimony she supposedly was a loving dedicated mom until she wasn't. Her son mentioned in an interview he was surprised by his mom's demeanor when he confronted her. This is so bizarre from a psychological standpoint. It's almost like SHE is the zombie.
My same thoughts !
I think she’s always been a sociopath, and a brat! It was just exacerbated when she met evil Chad
@@SummerLuvr7 I do think she had a case on herself especially when she did the pageants and the tv show - she is not too hot lookin now !
When do we expect closing arguments?
From what I heard, it’s a 6 week trial!!!
I am sorry, but I believe she could not control her daughter, and she knew too much, so they had to get her out of the way. Then she had no one to take care of JJ, but she still wanted the money but didn't want the little boy. An evil twisted plot by three adults to get rid of everything in their way.
IMO Tylee fought with lori over her money and lori wanted to spend it on herself and her bills....
….and Chad probably wanted it too….
They all, except her son, were under a spell .
No video??? How can you just listen to this with no video?
There was no videoing in the court
Ikr hate it
Given the public can't witness the trial, at least they could have come up with a decent recording without sniffling, pounding, typing....brutal.
Sounds like someone has gum too. Freaking gross!
@@Nicole-ky7ye it’s the typing by the court reporter, not gum. I thought it was gum too
What was Lori job? Seems like she had too much time on hands
At around @1:34:00, is he saying he doesn't know if he was legally adopted by his step dad?
That's what he said. So sad. I live in AZ and looked up her records from family court. In her divorce from Joe Ryan (Joe is the one who filled, not Lori) only 1 minor child is listed who would have been Tylee (the names of minors aren't published) so it looks like he never legally adopted him whereas in Charles' filing 1 minor child is listed who would have been JJ whom he legally adopted with Lori
@J Miller It was jarring to hear. Can't imagine the instability Lori's kids endured.
as a Brit and not understanding the US social security system.... Can I ask a question about death benefits? Tylee was getting a lot of money after her dad died. Is this standard in the US, or something that only happens if the dad has set something upon his death? It seems that receiving this kind of money could be problematic for a lot of kids with unscrupulous parents who are wanting to get their hands on their kid's money... like she did!
Yes, a parent will receive Social Security Benefits for a child if a parent dies. This is something everyone who works pays into. What you get depends on how much you pay in. Once a child turns 18, it will stop unless the child is going to college. Then payments will continue for a few more years, but go to the child or stay with the parent if they are still financially responsible for them. It will also continue past the age of 18 if the child has a disability. There is also life insurance policy payment that one can get. Like the one Lori was hoping for when Alex murdered her ex husband but, that's completely different from SS.
Is this Lori lawyer or the states? I can’t believe we can’t see this.
All I hear are Witnesses that I think should have been charged 100% as Accomplices before and after the fact, taking LOOOONG pauses so they dont say anything to incriminating about what they were knee deep involved in and attempting to skirt around facts and parts of stories and timelines that contributed to these victims demise. Let me guess, they gave her immunity??
Yup they did
How do these people believe this BS.. Sheep!!!
Based on what I heard of Zuleum's background she had a very violent traumatic childhood and Alex was her 6th husband. I think she has been messed up since she was a kid, based on the childhood trauma. She was a very easy target for Lori and Chad.
What was the childhood trauma?
@@natalied.9420 Sexual assault and I think by her father and maybe others and domestic violence.
What was Zulimas mission? Alexs bandaid? The LSD guys must be cringing right about now. So being empowered and enjoying it all these false things made her feel good enough to (abuse) fix others instead of being open to change herself. Sorry about her abuse just wondering aloud is this psyche transparent? How many husbands later would you start to address yourself ? This feels like a succubus mentality never treated. Compare it to people including children who actually died.
So we??? She's just as guilty!!!!!
@@brendastanley4546 Agreed. Just stating she was ripe for manipulation by Lori and Chad.
Ask her did Alex tell you what all he did? Give her a liar detector text. PLEASE come on common sense
That's heresy.
Unfortunately she was granted immunity
She is crazy
This weirdo is past crazy,she needs to be locked up too....man this chick is stupid ASF
Narcissistic Psychopath---not crazy, just no conscience and delusional sense of self importance and entitlement.
Why can’t you hear the judge?
Why is this not video'd? I'm new to this case...
Judge denied it
😂😂oh my lord we need a 6 inch heel on the boots for this Testimony smh...saw god , the blessed Mother and jesus but remembered very little about anything else....🥴
$$$$$$ Cox family grift.
Zulema’s prior employment in insurance….
Lol
WTF
Is Wrong With These
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Just Craziness 🤣
Listening to that call is heartbreaking and confirms that she is a total nut case.
Anybody know what that background pounding is? Very annoying.
It's the court recorder.
The difference between this trial and the Leticia Stauch trial is like day and night. I don't think the judge knows what he is doing. #joke
Zulema and co sound like they live in the dark ages...(literally the dark ages),..no pun intended.
Chad invented a fantasy others believed. He was sick of his unfullfilled life and found the formula to get a hot babe plus fortune and fame as a religion based 'rock star'.
Gee they killed those five supposed evil demons when those three weee the evil demons Chad Lori and Alex
I watched the series Under The Banner Of Heaven, and this is so eerily similar! I don’t know much about the Mormon religion but it can’t be anything like these monsters!
What they did is very similar to what Joseph Smith did when he started the Mormon religion, claiming to have seen God the Father, seeing the Father and Jesus together and other contradictions. He claimed God was a man on another planet who achieved godhood and was given this planet to populate with his wife in heaven (therefore having lots of sex). He claimed Jesus was God's first offspring and that Satan and Jesus are brothers (and ours because, he claimed, we were all spirit babies created in heaven and put into bodies on earth). He claimed men can become gods but had to have multiple wives, therefore they practiced polygamy but suddenly Brigham Young got a revelation that they shouldn't anymore after they called on the US Calvary to help them from Indian raids after they were run out of New York, Illinois and Missouri settling in the great salt lake (a US territory at the time) when the US said no way because they were practicing polygamy... Oh, and they have "prophets" who claim to have ongoing revelation, like Brigham Young did, so that things can change at any time. Pretty convenient I'd say. There is so much more to Mormonism but this is just an idea of where Chad and Lori are coming from
@@boughtbythecross wow! That’s a lot and crazy!
That phone call with Colby sounds staged to me. Funny how she says you weren't there and summer wasn't there and Janice wasn't there and mellie wasn't there. Hmmm sus
Colby is sus to me! What grown man takes money from his little sister on a regular basis
WHT is he attacking this woman. Doesn't sound like it has anything to do with Lori and Chad killing the kids
I don't understand the last question the defense asked Zulema. The texts and her testimony stated she was at the temple where Lori was supposed to meet her but didnt,she saw a vision and that is was the day Charles died. What did he mean by what happened? I think she didn't understand what he was getting at either.
He was asking her about the details about what she saw…she said she saw God, Jesus, and whoever else but then asked about the details like what it was like, she said she doesn’t remember. I think cuz she didn’t “see” anyone and made it all up.
To be exact he says “do u recall what happened on that day?” I think its pretty clear that he’s pointing out she made it all up.
He's just trying to damage her credibility, I mean that's all they've got! It's obvious she was involved in the deaths of her kids.
@@sinahaase9923 She is delusional at best,..if not completely bonkers...
Zulema was complicit knowing about the 'demon excising', having multiple conversations about it with them including detailed talk about shootings and getting rid of the demons in the kids. So she then meets Alex a part of the group and the murderer/shooter and after a total of 5 times meeting... then married him ?
I can't believe we talking about demons and zombies here. America where the f are you going? Dunno if laugh of cry.
I knew Mormons believed crazy shit but damn. It sounds like some of them have totally lost the plot. Fuck, it sounds like bad fiction that most of us would toss back as simply too far out there to the point they almost seem to be talking a different language.
Who got booted from the courtroom?
What about the car?
Zulima focuses on them healing her pretend demons but playdowns involvement in being keen on the idea of them all get ridding of the so called evil demons. Meaning people - Zulima was a serious succubus in ways. Complicit and needy
Oh snap - the defense should have left Zulema *and* Brandon alone