not only that - Musks Hyperloop aswell and all the other attempts of this "technology". It was a still birth from beginning. That starts with keeping the evacuated and emptied tube sealed and void of air, goes on with "how to prevent a disaster in case of a collapsing section" and ends with "how to bring out the air in a short enough time"… with the bullet trains we've already the technology and it is compatible with the existing track-system - you need "only" upgrading the existing tracks and adding new straighten sections to reach really high speed. and 300 km/h (180 mph) should be enough to cover long distances…
@@toraxmaluElron's Hype rust bucket line has been completely dismantled now. First they removed part of it for a train track, (irony much) now it's all gone and replaced by car parks. I mean the jokes practically write themselves, actually the whole thing is a joke in and of itself. They should be figuring out how to get passengers in and out of the "vacuum"…maybe they'll have oxygen bottles available in the gift shop. Expansion joints for a track 100's of km long, the top and bottom of a metal tube will expand at different rates, so it's not just about length but also having it turn into a roller coaster of doom. It just seems like an illogical project, and I'm not the one in the family with PhD's, so I could be way out of line with my concerns. As long as the "white paper" is as well thought out as the Cyberchuck, what could go wrong.
@@patrickpirzer4080 You mean like the transrapid in till the 2000's? I stay at my statement: it was a stillbirth and it stays a stillbirth... ("Totgeburt bleibt eine Totgeburt" - fitting that your mentioned Hyperloop descendent is based in Germany...) i remember in swiss tv in the 2000s the idea to bore deep tunnels, run them in vacuum and travel in bigger trains in high speeds. And that was long before Musk's "epiphany" of a concept originated out a 17xxs-brain...
And governments will end up spending billions of taxpayer dollars for a toy that will cost probably twice as much to use compared to air travel and that the average tax payer will never utilize. Would be crazy to see one of the open air concepts hit a deer at 200+ mph
@@GlennTXstate10 depends on whether its a western government or Asian government. Think carefully, because it is you that is paying for your governments actions. Look at the truth, not what your leaders preach
You would think that would be one of the first things they'd do but it feels like jumping ahead and assuming things will work before testing is the new normal.
The tube only needs to be partially evacuated in locations where the trains are. Much much easier to temporarily pump most of the air into or out of the preceding and following tunnel sections locally not unlike the way a worm moves.
@@chippysteve4524 How do you compartmentalize the areas where air will be removed and at the same time speed through at hundreds of miles an hour? You can't remove air in areas in front of and behind the vehicle and just quickly do that for different areas as the vehicle comes near. Explain how exactly that would be possible at all in any way shape or form. Worms are slow for a reason...
We have tunnels underneath the ocean already that are air and water tight. Pretty sure these Engineers have already taken that into account buddy. But what do they know 😂
I don't know why anybody thought it would be cheaper than high speed rail. Musk originally claimed it would be 1/10th the cost, even though it requires roughly the same amount of steel and concrete, but laid and maintained to much tighter linear tolerances. And then it's still a low capacity system if you use any reasonable safety factors for braking distances, etc. Also, I'd like to see somebody solve the problem of dynamic amplification. This is what sets up vibrations within the tube structure. Hyper loop would be traveling at such speeds that the dynamic amplification factors would be much higher than has been engineered for before.
Great idea and I can se it being a part of the future, but could you imagine the scene of explosive rapid decompression in a system like this? Oh boy, that mess...
Hyperloop and contrained vacuum tube transport is simply science fiction. Point blank, nothing about the hyperloop is innovative and speeds achieved in the tube can be achieved outside the tube. If you're trying to kill off friction, design the train to be more aerodynamic, like the ones in Japan. But as far as I can tell, pneumatic tube travel ended back when Subways became a thing.
Yep, can't believe we are still wasting time on this. Most companies have folder, projects halted, research has shown that the cost of it is astronomical while the throughput of humans or cargo is limited. 1000 people an hour through a hyperloop tube, that's what you can pack on a single rush hour train, and you can run 40 trains like that in an hour on a single set of tracks
Imagine if instead of pumping hundreds of millions of dollars into a tech doomed to fail, billionaires invested that into high speed trains and proven low carbon, fast forms of transit.
Unfortunately the CEO class has no appetite for proven low carbon technologies because they aren't shiny and new enough for their easily distracted minds.
I used to be a big believer in hyperloop until I realized it probably won’t come if ever for a long time and that it’s being used so cities and countries don’t have to invest in rail anymore saying why should we do rail when hyperloop is coming
Hypertube is a pipe dream. Maglev IMO won't be a thing until after someone is invited to Stockholm for developing a superconductor that works at room temperature and pressure.
Odd, the Japanese have a fully working testtrack that is longer than the transrapid track in Shanghai that is in commercial operation while also building a new maglev line from Tokyo to Osaka.
Underground tunnels that are sealed by a flexible material akin to rubber would help. If you also piggy backed the tunnels being part of an underground national electric grid it would help with the initial cost and long term upkeep.
The chunnel simply has a pretty big bore - so the air is pushed aside as per usual - lot easier than making a huge vacuum - sucking all the air out of a huge tube takes a lot of energy - so it probably won't be very energy effcient.
One major problem is how easy it would be to attack ... Unless it is undeground ... You have vast networks of tubes in the middle of nowhere where a stray (or purposefully placed) bullt would cause catastrophic damage.
Everything musk does is not the end all to problem solutions over thinking is missing thinking out of the box innovations...the inexpensive solutions..
i think what's needed is a company that can dig tunnels quickly and efficiently so that we can have more underground rail for public transportation. then we can remove all of the unnecessary cars off the road.
American auto manufacturers politically lobbied (forced) out passenger rail-travel in the 1950's - 60's, even street cars went. So, mass freeways were built instead of mass transit so GM, Ford, Chrysler, could make Trillion$ selling their cars. Mass freeways...! That cost 10x the price to build and maintain, causes 10x more environmental damage, takes up 10x the land space,. etc. etc.... While in most cases only moving 1 single person to and from work requiring 10x the space that single person needs to travel. Absolutely sickening...
ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS PULL AIR THROUGH THE TUBE AT WHATEVER SPEED YOU WANT THE TRAIN TO MOVE AT, IT IS THIS THAT PULLS THE TRAIN THROUGH, THIS WOULD 3SSENTIALLY MAKE THE CONDITIONS AS FAR AS AERODYNAMIC DRAG EFFECTIVELY ZERO, YOU COULD ALSO COMPROMISE BY UTILISING A PUSH PULL SYSTEM
both ideas have been talked of for more than a century, don’t think this is a new thing. the only trouble is while airplanes are flying all over the world, companies buying into this snake oil scam gone bust.
Fact is it is absolutely rediculous how they are closing a hatch behind the train , because for this to work in the most practical way you would want the high pressure behind the train so that it pushes it along as the low pressure in front pulls
Technology itself is good but Elon already knows low pressure travel in closed capsule comes at highest risk. Its like the very first flying plane made by human being an Airbus A380. It took many years to prove air travel is safe (the high pressure cabins) and planes to become safe for the mass. Hyperloop wanted to achieve all this in 10 years since 2018 when it was just a concept
China's CF600 maglev EMS prototype train testing at over 600 kph with goals of 800 kph is very likely the first practical high speed maglev. It levitates at at standstill and requires no landing gear. A new maglev train standard in full scale implementation should start a new much wider loading gauge of about 8 meters wide or more. A double width loading gauge has been envisioned and was provided for at the beginning of the railroad age on 1840s UK dual track railways that were designed to occasionally have double width carriages using the inner rails of the dual tracks. Maglev trains don't have the load limits of the rail wheel interface and are able to support loads distributed across the track bed. An 8 meter wide loading gauge would allow the easy transport of large assemblies overland greatly changing the world. Three TEU shipping containers should be able to fit across a cargo car's width. An 8 meter wide loading gauge would allow stability for three passenger levels. The first level might best be used for cargo with perpendicular side simultaneous drive-on drive-off of automobiles and cargo containers that could take place in a one minute stop. High speed cargo might make profit. Passenger trains tend to not make profit. The second and third levels could be luxury continues passenger space with vista dome roofs for passengers to see forward watching the scenery. This configuration would allow more comfort for the same number of passengers in 1/4 the length of today's popular single level trains that stretch out several city blocks. The train can depart as soon as the automobiles are loaded with enough space around the parked cars for passengers to take their time collecting themselves to exit their cars and go upstairs to the passenger areas. Loading and unloading needs to be staged and simultaneous to allow 1 minute stops. The unloading and loading of roll on cargo and automobiles should be able to work much like a traffic light stop and go. High transfer passenger stations could have exit and entry between the staton at all levels of the train to speed loading. Rural stations with small numbers of people would have loading at level 1 cargo level with passengers having to go up internal stairs to the passenger levels. Having train speeds much above 1,000 kph (621 mph) which can start causing sonic booms has little time saving advantage when stopping every 160 km or 100 miles because of time spent changing speed and stopping for a one minute stop. With changing speed these stops would only be a bit over 10 minutes a part. This would mean if intending to have regular stops within reasonable driving times to train stations it would be better to allow sightseeing from a passenger train staying below the speed of sound than to put into a vacuum tunnel to enable super sonic travel where there is little to see. Using 2/3 of the running speed of 621 mph to give a rough average speed of 400 mph wound mean such a train could cross the width of the USA of about 3200 miles in 8 hours. All very high speed trains need incrementally cheap to free electricity for their huge electrical demands such as their own hydropower generators with unlimited water. New technology nuclear power is likely the next closest option. The Japanese SC maglev has a loading gauge width that is similar to cape gauge railways of 3'6" gauge common throughout Japan that is significantly less wide than the current standard gauge Shinkansen bullet train. The SC maglev uses a non static levitational system dependent on the train reaching about 140 kph before it starts to levitate. Below that speed the train has to use retractable landing gear. These aspects make the Japanese SC maglev not desirable for a new train age where much wider loading gauge and no landing gear are desirable.
I've been on the Chinese high speed trains. Very impressive, over 300 km/hr. I bet they just took the land they needed to build the lines. And I bet they had no lengthy environmental reviews, no legal challenges, no hold-ups over half-extinct crickets or any other nonsense that slows these projects to a ridiculous pace in the west.
Using high speed trains to ferry cars long distance is a brilliant idea. The average use of a car is commuting and shopping trips with occasional long distance trips per year. There is no need for lugging a heavy battery for EVs, bad for the environment and limited resources. A small car is comfortable enough for short distance, for long distance, even the most luxurious car is quite a tiring experience. On a train, there’s no need to drive, and we can relax with dining and washroom facilities.
The problem with any maglev system is the cost per mile. Germany pioneered it the 1980s with TransRapid but they could prove running only one commercial one in Shanghai so far. Japan's L0 maglev is still a test track. They promised 2034 for passenger traffic. China is starting up.
What could possibly go wrong traveling inside a vacuum tube expanding and contracting over huge distances at high speed? 1. The tube would buckle down under atmospheric pressure. 2. Any loss of capsule pressure would doom the passengers, caught in a speeding tube without emergency exits.. 3. Any mechanical failure would trap the passengers inside a vacuum tube without emergency exits. … Death trap
1) we know how to build tubes that can withstand the pressure. Hell, look at an aircraft, how thin its skin is and the pressure diff between the inside and outside. 2) emergency oxygen can be carried on board of the capsule, just like in an aircraft 3) in case all traffic is stopped, the tube can be pressurized and you could still include emergency exits.
@@Hans-gb4mv you really don’t understand the enormous difference between the pressure held inside a vessel such as an airplane compared with the pressure created by the atmosphere on an empty cylinder. Look it up on RUclips. You’re going to learn a lot.
Why would you play with the disruptive airflow at Mach 1 when 600mph will do nicely? But, yes, it can be done. Especially in boring tunnels (if Musk is successful in dramatically cutting time/costs. A series of tunnels from Maine to Florida 200m below the surface (water tables, legal infringements, etc being mostly well above) linking cities would be very nice.
Hold on, did I hear him say he had engineers from the Manhattan Project wanting to work with him? Are they 100+ years old? I guess they could maybe have been around 90 in 2013 if they were really young while working on the Manhattan Project. I suppose that isn't completely out of the question
You don't need to evacuate the tubes much at all or not at all if you mount a electric turbine in the front that sucks the car forward uses the compressed air to skate in the tube like a air hockey puck aka levitation without magnetics and squirts the rest of the air out the back for more thrust the body of the car would be in a super low drag evacuated environment.
Why not ta ke the Zephyr that uses aĺ technology that goes 700 miles an hour for 10% of cost a mile from off the shelf engineering with 3 sustainable fuel sources that nature produces with no fuel direct carbon emissions foot print
Make the tube like a barrel and the pod like a bullet. We then shoot the pod with a massive explosion like a gun. This way we can raise the "defence" spending all over the world. Also we can make it so that we can swing the barrel for precise aim. We then put another barrel on the moon and other planets so we can shoot the pod from an earth barrel into the inside of the moon barrel and then wherever we want in the galaxy like a big game of pinball.
@elonmusk hyperloop, build a 2,802 mile Long, 30’ diameter stainless steel tunnel / tube, pull a vacuum,and fly a 15’ diameter stainless steel rocket from one end to the other,using large vacuum rocket engines for propulsion & braking. Using anti-spin and course correction devices. (East Coast to West Coast in 2.8 hrs)
I dont understand why there needs to be any kind of way to move the train besides the low pressure zone in front of it, obviously the train would have to have some way to seal it somewhat to the tube using maybe a hovercraft skirt kind of system, but obviously with enough thought they would come up with a way otherwize the entire tube would have to be evacuated and you could not take advantage of the free propulsion created by the high pressure behind , and low pressure in front, for whatever reason i am the only one who even realises this
The biggest problem for hyperloop is not technology, but politics. In order to get something non-gasoline powered be purchased by western governements you first need to find a way to end the strong influence of the oil-lobby on the governemets. Its a much bigger problem in the US than in europe, but the US influences european policies more then most people think.
Vehicles would need aircon and breathable air supply - requiring additional energy use. What about the safety/restraint systems for passengers?? However, the biggest problem would be political - as HS/2 has clearly demonstrated, we are totally incapable of managing big infrastructure projects in the UK. Good luck selling this to the public following the £biilions wasted on the HS/2 fiasco.
Give me a break! The only original thing about hyperloop is the name. In the 70s TV had sealed trans and that came from books decades old. The first tube train was in England ages ago.... Well before my birth.
Why was there no mention how they factored in for Earths curvature, as you would need to make these adjustments every few seconds given its velocity, creating a massive headache for any engineering team, or are they running this system on a flat datum line, nullifying the existence of Earth’s curvature.
Even IF they solve all technical obstacles there will never be financial and/or political unity to make them real. At best a limited US and EU domestic system could be built again IF cost gets low enough and political unity winns the long run. It is a interesting idea but not a realistic one. To make a workable system you would need a air filled tube with fans pulling air into ducts in the pod exhausting it below and behind, like a hovercraft having skirts to guide the airflow. you then have magnetic guide tracks on the sides and below and a wireless induction charger at the top to continually recharge/power the pod. That powered by solar panels covering the top 1/3 of the tube and with batteries along the track to provide backup power or even night travel. I do not know if you get a sonic boom if you suck away the air in front of the pod but I would think it unlikely as the pressure never builds on the leading surface. This should allow supersonic travel at a fraction of the cost compared to flying.
"If it was worth the hassle, we would already be doing it", the BS argument of the naysayers. 🙂 Good to see more and more "issues" being addressed. But a long tube needs an almost constant temperature to avoid issues with shrinking and expanding. A subsurface tube doesn't have or hardly has that issue, but that is esteemed too expensive. Seems Elon needs to repeat his request for innovation, like he did for the hyperloop, but this time for tunnel digging, since his boring company has remained pretty boring.
@@dylan8hp Every day? I don't think I have heard anything from Boring this year. Last thing I heard was a tunnel under a highway that would allow cars to self-drive from the factory to a parking lot for distribution.
It's only use case is high frequency, short distance transit of non living cargo. Think shipping containers from marina docks to distribution facilities. Not intercontinental Public transport 🤦♂️
This is quite I don't understand how they believe this is feasible. Imagine a pod breaking down going 700 mph how fast do they think they can slow them all down I'm going if there's a communications error break down one pot stops and the others don't know and how do you access said wreckage inside of a tube
Virgin Hyperloop out of business 8 months ago.
not only that - Musks Hyperloop aswell and all the other attempts of this "technology". It was a still birth from beginning. That starts with keeping the evacuated and emptied tube sealed and void of air, goes on with "how to prevent a disaster in case of a collapsing section" and ends with "how to bring out the air in a short enough time"… with the bullet trains we've already the technology and it is compatible with the existing track-system - you need "only" upgrading the existing tracks and adding new straighten sections to reach really high speed. and 300 km/h (180 mph) should be enough to cover long distances…
@@toraxmaluElron's Hype rust bucket line has been completely dismantled now. First they removed part of it for a train track, (irony much) now it's all gone and replaced by car parks. I mean the jokes practically write themselves, actually the whole thing is a joke in and of itself.
They should be figuring out how to get passengers in and out of the "vacuum"…maybe they'll have oxygen bottles available in the gift shop.
Expansion joints for a track 100's of km long, the top and bottom of a metal tube will expand at different rates, so it's not just about length but also having it turn into a roller coaster of doom. It just seems like an illogical project, and I'm not the one in the family with PhD's, so I could be way out of line with my concerns.
As long as the "white paper" is as well thought out as the Cyberchuck, what could go wrong.
@@toraxmalu TUM Hyperloop is still running
@@patrickpirzer4080 You mean like the transrapid in till the 2000's? I stay at my statement: it was a stillbirth and it stays a stillbirth... ("Totgeburt bleibt eine Totgeburt" - fitting that your mentioned Hyperloop descendent is based in Germany...) i remember in swiss tv in the 2000s the idea to bore deep tunnels, run them in vacuum and travel in bigger trains in high speeds. And that was long before Musk's "epiphany" of a concept originated out a 17xxs-brain...
seems to be a confusion between musk and hyper loop
Forget a hyperloop, the United States can’t even get high speed trains 😂
Electricity networks on wooden poles. 😂
"What's possible" and "what's practical" don't always go together...
And what one is able to convince investors in throwing their millions at is often both not practical and not possible, also.
And governments will end up spending billions of taxpayer dollars for a toy that will cost probably twice as much to use compared to air travel and that the average tax payer will never utilize.
Would be crazy to see one of the open air concepts hit a deer at 200+ mph
@@GlennTXstate10 depends on whether its a western government or Asian government. Think carefully, because it is you that is paying for your governments actions. Look at the truth, not what your leaders preach
First they should prove it is possible to make a 100 mile tube with 99% of air vacuumed out.
You would think that would be one of the first things they'd do but it feels like jumping ahead and assuming things will work before testing is the new normal.
This might have been possible in the 1950s, but there's no way you could have that kind of vacuum power today with the lack of housewives
The tube only needs to be partially evacuated in locations where the trains are.
Much much easier to temporarily pump most of the air into or out of the preceding and following tunnel sections locally not unlike the way a worm moves.
@@chippysteve4524 How do you compartmentalize the areas where air will be removed and at the same time speed through at hundreds of miles an hour? You can't remove air in areas in front of and behind the vehicle and just quickly do that for different areas as the vehicle comes near. Explain how exactly that would be possible at all in any way shape or form. Worms are slow for a reason...
We have tunnels underneath the ocean already that are air and water tight. Pretty sure these Engineers have already taken that into account buddy. But what do they know 😂
This video is only nine days old, but has already aged like milk from last year.
"The electric propulsion technology is secret and cannot be filmed." Please can we have some warning for these bait and switch techniques in future.
That warning is easy at least for "free energy" things. When you see this, don't click ;-)
I don't know why anybody thought it would be cheaper than high speed rail. Musk originally claimed it would be 1/10th the cost, even though it requires roughly the same amount of steel and concrete, but laid and maintained to much tighter linear tolerances. And then it's still a low capacity system if you use any reasonable safety factors for braking distances, etc.
Also, I'd like to see somebody solve the problem of dynamic amplification. This is what sets up vibrations within the tube structure. Hyper loop would be traveling at such speeds that the dynamic amplification factors would be much higher than has been engineered for before.
7:30 When your top engineer has been brought up playing Contra... 🤣🤣🤣😆
Great idea and I can se it being a part of the future, but could you imagine the scene of explosive rapid decompression in a system like this? Oh boy, that mess...
I wonder if any insurance company would sign off on this risk
Correct. Elon knows this already but he wanted to spread interest on this to stop HSR. He admitted it later.
⸘what future‽ a system, thought out and really invented by a guy 1799? nice future :D
Hyperloop and contrained vacuum tube transport is simply science fiction. Point blank, nothing about the hyperloop is innovative and speeds achieved in the tube can be achieved outside the tube. If you're trying to kill off friction, design the train to be more aerodynamic, like the ones in Japan. But as far as I can tell, pneumatic tube travel ended back when Subways became a thing.
Send space karen to the edge of our solar system.
That's 330 Meters per second! 😱
dude he came up with this to slow down/distract CA high speed train so he can sell "autopilot"...
Yep, can't believe we are still wasting time on this. Most companies have folder, projects halted, research has shown that the cost of it is astronomical while the throughput of humans or cargo is limited. 1000 people an hour through a hyperloop tube, that's what you can pack on a single rush hour train, and you can run 40 trains like that in an hour on a single set of tracks
Fully electric and fully emissions free. Fully air free tube as well so life support needed in the pod.
What about all emissions created from mining all the copper and the other metals needed?
But completely claustrophobic. 😮😮 You sit like in tight space and no windows. Most crumbled than a plane. That's what their tube size was
Imagine if instead of pumping hundreds of millions of dollars into a tech doomed to fail, billionaires invested that into high speed trains and proven low carbon, fast forms of transit.
Unfortunately the CEO class has no appetite for proven low carbon technologies because they aren't shiny and new enough for their easily distracted minds.
I used to be a big believer in hyperloop until I realized it probably won’t come if ever for a long time and that it’s being used so cities and countries don’t have to invest in rail anymore saying why should we do rail when hyperloop is coming
so why not combine rail tracks and hyperloop together so you can get both benefits?
Hypertube is a pipe dream. Maglev IMO won't be a thing until after someone is invited to Stockholm for developing a superconductor that works at room temperature and pressure.
The U.S. Navy filed a patent on a Room Temperature Superconductor in 2019.
Odd, the Japanese have a fully working testtrack that is longer than the transrapid track in Shanghai that is in commercial operation while also building a new maglev line from Tokyo to Osaka.
The future of transportation will be interesting ❤❤
Great video 😊❤❤
Absolutely fascinating 👍
I applaud the engineer's working on this.
Cheers
What a waste of engineering resources....
Musk's hyper-loop was an idea 100 years ago.
Awesome!
Lets hope this takes off
Reminds me of the ship testing tank in Tenington ware Barns Wallis tested his bouncing bomb idea.
Wow mate. That’s awesome
Placing a vacuum tunnel at depth in the ocean. What could ever go wrong? Crazy science.
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Congratulations guys ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤from New York.
A hyperloop is nothing but a "pipe-dream".....
Sometimes pipelines are truly pipe dreams..
I think Transpod in Canada is the only viable one remaining. It's a huge stretch and I'm surprised they still exist.
Here in the US, we are lucky to have a train
Underground tunnels that are sealed by a flexible material akin to rubber would help. If you also piggy backed the tunnels being part of an underground national electric grid it would help with the initial cost and long term upkeep.
The chunnel simply has a pretty big bore - so the air is pushed aside as per usual - lot easier than making a huge vacuum - sucking all the air out of a huge tube takes a lot of energy - so it probably won't be very energy effcient.
One major problem is how easy it would be to attack ... Unless it is undeground ... You have vast networks of tubes in the middle of nowhere where a stray (or purposefully placed) bullt would cause catastrophic damage.
Hyperloop built under water is quite scary i am seeing the repeat of Ocean Quest
Everything musk does is not the end all to problem solutions over thinking is missing thinking out of the box innovations...the inexpensive solutions..
I thought this video was going to be about Maglev Trains which are both practical and feasible, unlike Hyperloops.
i think what's needed is a company that can dig tunnels quickly and efficiently so that we can have more underground rail for public transportation. then we can remove all of the unnecessary cars off the road.
That track with all the copper in it would be expensive...
I do wish America had a better rail system. It would be my way of traveling. Flying is now and has been a goatduckingprocess!
American auto manufacturers politically lobbied (forced) out passenger rail-travel in the 1950's - 60's, even street cars went.
So, mass freeways were built instead of mass transit so GM, Ford, Chrysler, could make Trillion$ selling their cars.
Mass freeways...! That cost 10x the price to build and maintain, causes 10x more environmental damage, takes up 10x the land space,. etc. etc....
While in most cases only moving 1 single person to and from work requiring 10x the space that single person needs to travel.
Absolutely sickening...
@@fredflintstone8817 Thank you for this information. I didn't know this. Yet it's not surprising!
ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS PULL AIR THROUGH THE TUBE AT WHATEVER SPEED YOU WANT THE TRAIN TO MOVE AT, IT IS THIS THAT PULLS THE TRAIN THROUGH, THIS WOULD 3SSENTIALLY MAKE THE CONDITIONS AS FAR AS AERODYNAMIC DRAG EFFECTIVELY ZERO, YOU COULD ALSO COMPROMISE BY UTILISING A PUSH PULL SYSTEM
I cannot believe this kind of snake oil is still being sold.
Small minds won't go far..
@@michaelthompson9548 yeah, virgin hyperloop go very far. Wait, they are no more.
It's almost as ridiculous as having machines made of metal fly across the world...
both ideas have been talked of for more than a century, don’t think this is a new thing.
the only trouble is while airplanes are flying all over the world, companies buying into this snake oil scam gone bust.
if the hyperloop tube segments are mass produce in factories
then maybe that could be cost competitive with laying rail tracks
Our ancient advanced ancestors use to build them at the bottom of the ocean, but they had experience from the moon and Mars.
Fact is it is absolutely rediculous how they are closing a hatch behind the train , because for this to work in the most practical way you would want the high pressure behind the train so that it pushes it along as the low pressure in front pulls
we need HyperLoop
Technology itself is good but Elon already knows low pressure travel in closed capsule comes at highest risk. Its like the very first flying plane made by human being an Airbus A380. It took many years to prove air travel is safe (the high pressure cabins) and planes to become safe for the mass. Hyperloop wanted to achieve all this in 10 years since 2018 when it was just a concept
Elon knows nothing. The emperor has no clothes.
China's CF600 maglev EMS prototype train testing at over 600 kph with goals of 800 kph is very likely the first practical high speed maglev. It levitates at at standstill and requires no landing gear. A new maglev train standard in full scale implementation should start a new much wider loading gauge of about 8 meters wide or more. A double width loading gauge has been envisioned and was provided for at the beginning of the railroad age on 1840s UK dual track railways that were designed to occasionally have double width carriages using the inner rails of the dual tracks.
Maglev trains don't have the load limits of the rail wheel interface and are able to support loads distributed across the track bed. An 8 meter wide loading gauge would allow the easy transport of large assemblies overland greatly changing the world. Three TEU shipping containers should be able to fit across a cargo car's width.
An 8 meter wide loading gauge would allow stability for three passenger levels. The first level might best be used for cargo with perpendicular side simultaneous drive-on drive-off of automobiles and cargo containers that could take place in a one minute stop. High speed cargo might make profit. Passenger trains tend to not make profit.
The second and third levels could be luxury continues passenger space with vista dome roofs for passengers to see forward watching the scenery. This configuration would allow more comfort for the same number of passengers in 1/4 the length of today's popular single level trains that stretch out several city blocks.
The train can depart as soon as the automobiles are loaded with enough space around the parked cars for passengers to take their time collecting themselves to exit their cars and go upstairs to the passenger areas. Loading and unloading needs to be staged and simultaneous to allow 1 minute stops. The unloading and loading of roll on cargo and automobiles should be able to work much like a traffic light stop and go.
High transfer passenger stations could have exit and entry between the staton at all levels of the train to speed loading. Rural stations with small numbers of people would have loading at level 1 cargo level with passengers having to go up internal stairs to the passenger levels.
Having train speeds much above 1,000 kph (621 mph) which can start causing sonic booms has little time saving advantage when stopping every 160 km or 100 miles because of time spent changing speed and stopping for a one minute stop. With changing speed these stops would only be a bit over 10 minutes a part. This would mean if intending to have regular stops within reasonable driving times to train stations it would be better to allow sightseeing from a passenger train staying below the speed of sound than to put into a vacuum tunnel to enable super sonic travel where there is little to see.
Using 2/3 of the running speed of 621 mph to give a rough average speed of 400 mph wound mean such a train could cross the width of the USA of about 3200 miles in 8 hours.
All very high speed trains need incrementally cheap to free electricity for their huge electrical demands such as their own hydropower generators with unlimited water. New technology nuclear power is likely the next closest option.
The Japanese SC maglev has a loading gauge width that is similar to cape gauge railways of 3'6" gauge common throughout Japan that is significantly less wide than the current standard gauge Shinkansen bullet train. The SC maglev uses a non static levitational system dependent on the train reaching about 140 kph before it starts to levitate. Below that speed the train has to use retractable landing gear. These aspects make the Japanese SC maglev not desirable for a new train age where much wider loading gauge and no landing gear are desirable.
I've been on the Chinese high speed trains. Very impressive, over 300 km/hr. I bet they just took the land they needed to build the lines. And I bet they had no lengthy environmental reviews, no legal challenges, no hold-ups over half-extinct crickets or any other nonsense that slows these projects to a ridiculous pace in the west.
Using high speed trains to ferry cars long distance is a brilliant idea. The average use of a car is commuting and shopping trips with occasional long distance trips per year. There is no need for lugging a heavy battery for EVs, bad for the environment and limited resources. A small car is comfortable enough for short distance, for long distance, even the most luxurious car is quite a tiring experience. On a train, there’s no need to drive, and we can relax with dining and washroom facilities.
The problem with any maglev system is the cost per mile. Germany pioneered it the 1980s with TransRapid but they could prove running only one commercial one in Shanghai so far. Japan's L0 maglev is still a test track. They promised 2034 for passenger traffic. China is starting up.
@@raghunathkrishnan5124 yes, Transrapid is now no more.
What could possibly go wrong traveling inside a vacuum tube expanding and contracting over huge distances at high speed?
1. The tube would buckle down under atmospheric pressure.
2. Any loss of capsule pressure would doom the passengers, caught in a speeding tube without emergency exits..
3. Any mechanical failure would trap the passengers inside a vacuum tube without emergency exits.
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Death trap
1) we know how to build tubes that can withstand the pressure. Hell, look at an aircraft, how thin its skin is and the pressure diff between the inside and outside.
2) emergency oxygen can be carried on board of the capsule, just like in an aircraft
3) in case all traffic is stopped, the tube can be pressurized and you could still include emergency exits.
@@Hans-gb4mv you really don’t understand the enormous difference between the pressure held inside a vessel such as an airplane compared with the pressure created by the atmosphere on an empty cylinder. Look it up on RUclips. You’re going to learn a lot.
Rail Transit is sustainable; we just need to stop all these scams.
Still wasting money on this...
My thought too.......LOL!
Great idea on paper.
Agree, insane stupidity.
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go to stone age
Im sure the Chinese with there insiders on the team documented everything that has been done
You're starting the video with Hyperloop which already got bankrupted
the video lists as being 1 month old, but the technological goes back a few years at least
800 MPH Air hockey table jet stream circulation would also remove resistance.
America totally needs high speed underground coast to coast north to South Rail service
Why would you play with the disruptive airflow at Mach 1 when 600mph will do nicely? But, yes, it can be done. Especially in boring tunnels (if Musk is successful in dramatically cutting time/costs. A series of tunnels from Maine to Florida 200m below the surface (water tables, legal infringements, etc being mostly well above) linking cities would be very nice.
Hold on, did I hear him say he had engineers from the Manhattan Project wanting to work with him? Are they 100+ years old?
I guess they could maybe have been around 90 in 2013 if they were really young while working on the Manhattan Project. I suppose that isn't completely out of the question
Is this the Hyperloop that went out of business at the end of 2023?
You don't need to evacuate the tubes much at all or not at all if you mount a electric turbine in the front that sucks the car forward uses the compressed air to skate in the tube like a air hockey puck aka levitation without magnetics and squirts the rest of the air out the back for more thrust the body of the car would be in a super low drag evacuated environment.
Would they have to be aerodynamic if operating in a vacuum?
Why not ta ke the Zephyr that uses aĺ technology that goes 700 miles an hour for 10% of cost a mile from off the shelf engineering with 3 sustainable fuel sources that nature produces with no fuel direct carbon emissions foot print
You need to save the planet first! 😊
Make the tube like a barrel and the pod like a bullet. We then shoot the pod with a massive explosion like a gun. This way we can raise the "defence" spending all over the world. Also we can make it so that we can swing the barrel for precise aim.
We then put another barrel on the moon and other planets so we can shoot the pod from an earth barrel into the inside of the moon barrel and then wherever we want in the galaxy like a big game of pinball.
@elonmusk hyperloop, build a 2,802 mile Long, 30’ diameter stainless steel tunnel / tube, pull a vacuum,and fly a 15’ diameter stainless steel rocket from one end to the other,using large vacuum rocket engines for propulsion & braking. Using anti-spin and course correction devices. (East Coast to West Coast in 2.8 hrs)
all Genius in one place
Hyperloop under the Irish Sea from Holyhead to Dublin?
This reminds me of "Space 1999".
1:10 greener world means grey and energy efficient right? Doesn't mean like trees and grass obviously
I dont understand why there needs to be any kind of way to move the train besides the low pressure zone in front of it, obviously the train would have to have some way to seal it somewhat to the tube using maybe a hovercraft skirt kind of system, but obviously with enough thought they would come up with a way otherwize the entire tube would have to be evacuated and you could not take advantage of the free propulsion created by the high pressure behind , and low pressure in front, for whatever reason i am the only one who even realises this
The biggest problem for hyperloop is not technology, but politics. In order to get something non-gasoline powered be purchased by western governements you first need to find a way to end the strong influence of the oil-lobby on the governemets. Its a much bigger problem in the US than in europe, but the US influences european policies more then most people think.
What's the bumper going to do
Vehicles would need aircon and breathable air supply - requiring additional energy use. What about the safety/restraint systems for passengers?? However, the biggest problem would be political - as HS/2 has clearly demonstrated, we are totally incapable of managing big infrastructure projects in the UK. Good luck selling this to the public following the £biilions wasted on the HS/2 fiasco.
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It’s an amazing technology.
Meanwhile all the YT experts in the comment gallery …..
the water currents could be a problem under the water.
And yes. All will be powered by "solar freaking panels!"
In the United States we would be happy if AmTrak could achieve 55 m.p.h. average by having enough track to run on.
Well that happened to Hyperloop and you can bet your life that it failed because of greedy people in control of the project
Well, the good thing is if the train crashes at that speed it'll only hurt for a second
Please don't let Leon build it. He doesn't respect or deserve to have people working for him.
Give me a break! The only original thing about hyperloop is the name. In the 70s TV had sealed trans and that came from books decades old. The first tube train was in England ages ago.... Well before my birth.
Why was there no mention how they factored in for Earths curvature, as you would need to make these adjustments every few seconds given its velocity, creating a massive headache for any engineering team, or are they running this system on a flat datum line, nullifying the existence of Earth’s curvature.
wait... at 760 mph in a country with multi time zones wont cargo and people arrive before they left
The only innovation here is traveling in a vacuum tube. MAGLEV is very old technology
Another view is why are we running around so much???
I wonder if anyone could answer that.
Even IF they solve all technical obstacles there will never be financial and/or political unity to make them real. At best a limited US and EU domestic system could be built again IF cost gets low enough and political unity winns the long run. It is a interesting idea but not a realistic one. To make a workable system you would need a air filled tube with fans pulling air into ducts in the pod exhausting it below and behind, like a hovercraft having skirts to guide the airflow. you then have magnetic guide tracks on the sides and below and a wireless induction charger at the top to continually recharge/power the pod. That powered by solar panels covering the top 1/3 of the tube and with batteries along the track to provide backup power or even night travel. I do not know if you get a sonic boom if you suck away the air in front of the pod but I would think it unlikely as the pressure never builds on the leading surface. This should allow supersonic travel at a fraction of the cost compared to flying.
Exactly what I was thinking, I wrote my comment before I seen what you wrote
So when did eletricity become green????
This is an old documentary the hyperloop concept is dead in the water
"If it was worth the hassle, we would already be doing it", the BS argument of the naysayers. 🙂
Good to see more and more "issues" being addressed.
But a long tube needs an almost constant temperature to avoid issues with shrinking and expanding.
A subsurface tube doesn't have or hardly has that issue, but that is esteemed too expensive.
Seems Elon needs to repeat his request for innovation, like he did for the hyperloop, but this time for tunnel digging, since his boring company has remained pretty boring.
Boring company keeps making tunnel boring machines that are faster and faster. It's just not talked about every day
@@dylan8hp Every day? I don't think I have heard anything from Boring this year. Last thing I heard was a tunnel under a highway that would allow cars to self-drive from the factory to a parking lot for distribution.
It's only use case is high frequency, short distance transit of non living cargo. Think shipping containers from marina docks to distribution facilities. Not intercontinental Public transport 🤦♂️
before spending a trillion dollars on this. Can we get Healthcare for all figured out?
Pleasure giving such stupidity the thumbs down 👎.
Wind resistance at ground level is a deal breaker. Try again.
Very promising technology. It's a long way off but it seems possible. I like the idea of using existing railroad tracks for a hybrid type system.
It's just another one of Elon Musks brainfarts....
This aged well...
Never mind infrastructure !!
A Time Machine 😂
This is quite I don't understand how they believe this is feasible. Imagine a pod breaking down going 700 mph how fast do they think they can slow them all down I'm going if there's a communications error break down one pot stops and the others don't know and how do you access said wreckage inside of a tube
A waste of money and resources. Try using a train.
this article is already obsolete in practice
Is 760mph possible? China is developing 1000mph hyperloop megv train.
China is more likely to succeed
Pipe dream 🥴