Imagine building an entire career around pressuring women into doing things they don’t want to do and finally finding out at age 45 that women hate you
I'm in a pick up artist adjacent sphere (I used to be full on red pill/pua). As I've gotten older, there are some things from those communities that I've discarded as unhelpful/toxic/untrue, however, there are also a good deal of things that I do believe to be anecdotally true after interacting with thousands of women over a decade. I do think that there's a space for men to work on their dating lives with a strategic approach, I just believe the messaging of those manosphere communities really caters to those who just hate women, and it would be much more socially acceptable if they just dropped the toxicity and focused on what matters. What matters, imo, is just understanding social dynamics on a macro scale. The hyper focus on just women is, I believe, deleterious to success, since there's a lot of overlap. Getting good in social situations in general will invariably carry over into your dating life. Once you get good at that, everything else that matters (confidence, wit, snap decision making) follows. Then all you have to do is get a haircut, not be fat and not live with your mom and you're golden. Pua dudes have a huge problem with consent, and I don't understand why. If they really lived in "abundance" like they claimed, taking a no as a no doesn't matter.
He was obviously joking, are Hasan stans born stupid, or autistic? If anyone actually felt threatened by that, then they deserve to feel fear for being fragile and pathetic.
Him: you cant just meet people on the streets anymore?! Also him: uses a low key threat to flirt with girls when he has no idea what they're into. He's so close to being on the right track if he just stopped the horny brain for one second.
I really don't think it was meant like that... but I can see how if I were a woman and some creep came up to me and said this I would feel veeery unsafe and careful. I believe he's just oblivious to this which is a red flag in itself rather than an actual threat
My daughter once encountered a "pick up artist", she was 17, he insisted that she was "built like she was 21", I was so proud when the club owner called me to tell me that she had knocked him out and I needed to take her home. Behave like a rabid dog, get treated like one, it is the only way they learn.
I think something that often gets left out of the “why don’t they just say no forcefully” convo is history of trauma and one’s natural trauma response. There is not just fight or flight, there is also freeze and fawn. If you have been abused or assaulted in the past, especially if it was by a man, being aggressively hit on and non-consensually touched by a man like this can trigger you to freeze or fawn, leaving you feeling stuck in the interaction, unable to assert yourself. When someone laughs nervously, adopts people pleasing language, does things to appease or pacify the person being aggressive, etc, out of fear, that’s fawning. And women in general are already raised to put politeness and others’ comfort above our safety and well-being, making the instinctive fawn response incredibly common.
YES!! This has happened to me. I tried to stop him in the beginning but I ended up freezing (it was the 4 time a guy touched me without my consent, and the 3 time someone used force), and after it happened I was trembling like crazy. The guy asked me "why are you shaking?" And I just said "I'm cold" even though it was summer. He said I was being too dramatic, but when I got home he sent me a text saying he was really sorry, and that "I should've hit him" and I was like WHAT??? Why do I have to hurt you in order to make you understand what no means? I froze, after trying to stop you, it doesn't mean I wanted it!! The sad part is that I actually liked him, and I would've probably said yes If he hadn't behaved like that. The 2 time I also froze. Those four times I was under 17 (12, 14, and 16).
@@palomitapalomita7866 So he sexually assaulted you and then tried to victim blame you for not hitting him? What an a piece of garbage he is. So sorry those things happened to you but you're not alone...so many women have similar stories. Men cause so much trauma to women.
Also even for me, as someone who is very confrontational is stressful situations, I would never dare react in any way to make that person mad because I’m a small girl. Very dangerous for me out there.
@@saturationstation1446 What? Im Central European and dont know a single person that would hook up with him, I got friends in Scandinavia and family in the UK, Italy, Germany and France. And from all of them I'd hear a loud and clear "nope" 100% of the time
i mean it's objectively batshit to build your career around being good with women while simultaneously rejecting what women say they're receptive toward, right? imagine thinking you know women so well that you know women better than women themselves.
Honestly, women contradict themselves all the time. There are videos of Hasan reacting to girls talking how they left boyfriends for complete idiots. I would be extremely surprised if you dont know at least one asshole guy that is getting girls. Like the guy that has bad rep but when you meet him he is funny, quirky and fun to be around. For women, the feeling always trumps logic in this scenarios, so no, they dont know better.
Let’s be reasonable. People generally don’t like being told that they have subconscious behaviors that are different from what they claim to have. Example, if you subconsciously like tall people and it’s not socially acceptable to say that out loud, people are going to claim it’s not true. So an outsider can sometimes objectively explain what’s happening.
@@MissingYouser Except that's not how any of this works. The height example doesn't function here at all, but I'll bite: you're describing a societal phenomenon -- if tall people are discriminated against, it's written into that society's framework. In that society, people who are attracted to tall people compartmentalize their attraction because society has deemed it taboo, and therefore one would assume some level of risk by choosing to pursue a tall person despite the societal norms. By the situation's logic, this would explain why some people would rather compartmentalize and deny the attraction toward tall people rather than assume the risk of pursuing the attraction. Inexplicably, you're comparing *that* scenario to a scenario where women say "hey we actually don't care for this" and men respond "yes you do actually". You can't argue with someone about their own personal preferences. Acting like both scenarios are of the same caliber or at all related implies that deep down women actually want what they have openly rejected, and that a woman's desires can be defined by a man's evaluation of the situation while barring contributions from women. I'll let you draw your own conclusions about why that's really fucking weird.
Interactions like these, and what the whole "pick up artist" community and audience prove is - " A man's worst fear when approaching women is humiliation, a woman's worst fear when approached by a man is assault." Like, you are a stranger, dude. If someone continuously seems like they are trying to cut the convo short and bounce - stop trying to keep them there talking to you. How many times do you need to hear a polite "no" before you get the point?
@@zengara11 yeah, this doesn't really "solve misogyny" or really affect the larger picture. It would be better to instead simply have men accept the answer "no" in a healthy way. Because women approaching men doesn't really get rid of the actual problem which is patriarchal attitudes towards dating, toxic definitions of manhood, etc.
Even online if you don't answer men the next thing they do is call you a sl*t. And chill out men im not saying it's all men but always all woman who have to deal with that
you literally dont have to do anything to be assaulted. I was waiting for a friend sitting on a chair when 2 drunk dude started bothering me and even after I said no for 5 times they still were there, visible getting more and more aggressive. I has to start making a real phone call to police only then they left
@@banquetoftheleviathan1404 to be fair i have done that before and it’s not as bad as you think, and harassment doesn’t seem to happen as often as people say, i think it’s definitely exaggerated in my experience, but i can see some dudes getting angry and doing bad things. It’s a small minority though. Men know not to assault and harass, some people just don’t do the right thing
@@ADollarMight What sort of harrassment, and according to which people? Every female over 12 that I know has been harrassed. Mostly verbal, but still a bad experience, especially for young girls just walking home from school who don't know if it will stop at words.
Completely true, as a woman, if you say no you're always afraid that it will rub them off the wrong way and they'll attack you so you try to be polite and nice, and maybe even have a very nervous smile, cause they're just annoying like that, they can't take a no, then why go out of your way to speak to someone whom you don't even know the name of.
As a gay guy I've had the same experiences with turning down women. Even had, multiple times, when my friends have had to help get them off me... plus the one who though pelvic thrusting my dog in the face was an appropriate response to being turned down.
@@Illyriad I see, it must've been awful, I hope you're alright now and that you can find ways to avoid these toxic people now, please take care of yourself
@@kilariinazuma8273 Ah yes, I must assume if a woman looks interested in me after I approach her on the street, it must be cuz she is afraid and polite. Cope harder. Gonna go approach women on street just to piss you off.
Confidence Chris isn't the worst pick up artist we've seen. I lowkey laughed at some of his jokes, but that 200 some dollars for a phone call is a scam. He's like chaotic good or like true neutral.
@@smji5269 Actually some of the people who were arguing with the 2nd guy in the video have commented that he was very open to understanding but ofc the channel erased those partes to make it short and watchable. So for me he still seems like a pretty alr guy who could do better
@@serene_ladyred8803 it is if it's more important than all other physical traits and personal traits. I understand preference, but I just don't think that one immutable thing should be the most important. Not saying it is for you, just saying the fact that it's immediately obvious what's "wrong" with the guy after seeing him for one second, is reflective of the fact that for many people, it is. Personally I do have a preference with regards to height, that a guy be similar to me, but my height is on the outer edge of typical for a guy so that preference has to take a back burner, especially since most guys that are perceived as short tend to try and overcompensate due to the cultural convention, which makes their personalities less attractive.
I hate the play hard to get thing, the #1 thing that would make me lose interest is her making things hard. If it doesn’t feel like things are clicking easy I’m going to feel like it isn’t gonna work out.
Yeah, not only does this trope encourage guys to think "no" doesn't actually mean "no", it also devalues women who know what they want and enjoy s3x without shame. As if a woman is only valuable as a partner if she plays the "unwilling virgin" archetype. It's gross all around.
That was the confusing thing. He contradicted himself and said that women should be able to just want to fuck people just because they think they’re hot but then also said women need to play hard to get.
I honestly think if he just tweaked the message, after one of the women pointed out the negative potential, it would have been a better message: I.e “don’t give away your access for cheap”-> “identify your standards, stick to them, and the right people for you will come to you.” Paired with telling men to accept a no, and that they’ll find someone else
Yeah and it kinda play on the "trophy woman" trope. Like women are some sort of prize to be won or an achievement. I'd rather date a good friend than a trophy.
The idea of bragging about 1000+ "makeouts" is so fucking funny to me. It's like what an 11 year old boy would think is cool. Who gives a fuck about making out lmao Also. For a guy who's been doing this shit every day for 30 years, 1000 is not that many at all
Some guys will 100% assault you verbally or physically if you reject them. I’ve rejected guys politely and have been groped, harassed and followed. I think a lot of men don’t realise how scary that can be especially knowing that I am a smaller woman and every man I meet is going to be much taller and stronger than me
I think people who bleach their brows want to look like an alien and mysterious. And is more for those people’s own happiness and desire to look that way more so than it is for other people.
I f*ing HATE that point about "there are women in abundance, so it doesn't matter if she said no, because you can just move on to the next one". Like, what does that even mean? If there were only a few women around in a given situation, are men still meant to respect their boundaries then? Ugh the mental gymnastics.
What I think it's SUPPOSED to mean (which is different than the words that were said, because I agree with your assessment) is that you shouldn't take rejection hard, because there are plenty of other opportunities out there for you to meet someone compatible. But it came out like some weird ass don't put the pussy on the pedestal crap instead. And again, you are correct that if you are basing how you handle a rejection by how many other women are out there who might be into you instead of that woman's humanity and autonomy, and you follow that out to its logical conclusion.....you're implying that if you don't have a lot of options, it's okay to pressure the limited ones you do have, in spite of their rejection. And yeah, that's gross.
The world can be kind of mean to you over an immutable characteristic like height, so it's awesome to see he can poke fun at it as well. Used to be insecure about my own, but being able to joke about it, just like being able to joke about yourself in general, seems to go a long way in how confident other people perceive you.
like i honestly do not understand how peoples red lines i height. one time in a class assignement i chose smoking as my absolute no and even my teacher called me shallow. where he himself chose being vegan and good face and everyone else chose body and face.
If a short king is confident, it tells me they were raised well, have a good sense of humor, and are skilled in other areas. But if a short king is cocky, he's over compensating or defensive.
Not gonna lie I kinda developed stereotypes about short men. I'm short, I loved dating short men cause everyone even average height make me feel like I need a stepping stool to talk to or kiss them. But dang the insecurities are rough to deal with. It taught me it really doesn't matter what your partner thinks or what others think, I loved that they weren't tall and it didn't change anything. Being super insecure about things this inherent and unchanging about yourself is gonna be really rough on your partner, and while a partner might help you with dealing with your insecurities, you have to work on it yourself, otherwise it won't matter.
I hear you. I'm a short woman and I e always been ragged by culture I should be taller and that's all that's missing 🤷♀️ like wtf man. I just ignore it at this point. Also so many short kings honesty Kevin heart Dani devito I'm sure marlin Brando was short too honestly seriously nothing wrong with it
@@deliri0um sort of off topic, but that's seems like an innapropriate thing for a teacher to say to their student, sorry that happened :( maybe the teacher smoked and was projecting his insecurity? Lol
Chris was giving mostly decent advice and then slapping an edgy/misogynist joke on at the end. "Talk to them like they're your homie" is good advice! It was almost like he felt like he needed to add the edgy joke in at the end to appeal to young boys.
As for the lady saying women don't having to tell a guy no because men have a tendency to assault them, I totally believe her. I've seen clubs where guys will constantly hit on a woman, and so many times when she shows no interest, they will lash out at her. In those situations, it's rare for anything physical. First, they're usually trolling, so they are speeding through women to find a yes, also there are bouncers who'll shut them down quick if they do. No, the assaults will usually come where they call the woman's bitch, a dyke, a lesbian, ugly, etc. Sooooo many guys do this. So, while for guys at the club, many of their experiences as being rejected, many of a woman's experiences is this long line of guys calling them every name in the book. Any wonder they don't want to invite more interactions with strange men. Frankly, if most times people called me terrible names, especially in aggressive disgusted tones, I don't think I would act nearly as same as most women do after all that. Verbal abuse is an assault too.
Clubs are by far the most rotten centers of perversion. I'm flabbergasted that women insist on going to them with no intention of hooking up with anybody when they know just how pushy, insecure and aggressive the men there can be.
@@lotanowo that's an insane perspective. So, women shouldn't go to clubs, unless they are fine with hooking up, because guys are dicks there? Fun fact, guys are dicks everywhere. Just watch a cat calling video. If women were going to avoid every place a guy is going to be pushy then she couldn't leave her house. Also, before you may say that's a good idea, let me remind you that insane people like the Taliban think that's a good way of life. No, women like clubs because they like to dress fancy and party. Many, many times, women go just to have fun. Not to find someone. The club and the bouncers should help foster a safe environment by tossing aggressive dickheads. It's a free world, women know guys may hit on them there or flirt. Thing is, women know that may happen anywhere. As a female comedian said, she could be in a Denny's and if she appeared to be willing, guys would line up for their turn. The problem isn't the women or the place, it's the guys. They need to learn self control and respect. You want to talk about places of perversion, yet at a strip club if a guy got pushy with a stripperz he'd find himself face planted outside in no time. It's all about how willing a place is to be a safe place for women, not about the place itself.
@@haddow777 you just insinuated like a million things. Not sure how you extrapolate Taliban out of what I said. But absolutely, guys are dicks, and of course it’s a problem that women get catcalled on the streets, but unlike the streets, clubs are completely optional places to be, and of all the places, it’s a bad mix of dark surroundings, loud music, alcohol and very often drugs. Not saying they’re asking for it and they should have the right to go to clubs and not get harassed, but that’s clearly not what happens, and if I went somewhere where I’d feel uncomfortable, I’d reconsider going there again in the future.
I’m a woman and shout out to the short kings. I’ve dated guys shorter than me and they’ve all been great guys that treated me with respect. Don’t let social standards hold you back-be the best guy you can be on the inside.
the sad part is u can see the second guy kinda twisting and bobbing his head as though he can see where they're coming from when they critique him. So, that goes to show how these people literally just create content, and hold on to the platform, without any form of careful consideration of what they are preaching. It's not in their interest to be thoughtful and try to create a stable world-view and then teach that and be open to criticism. That's kind of the massive problem with influencer culture.
There are definitely problems with it, but good reasons exist for keeping up bad content you now disagree with. The first one is honesty; sometimes people will bury bad things they did in the past without addressing their problems, and avoiding that behavior opens up avenues for criticism on how you grew as a person. The second reason is that even with the worst aspects of his content he is leagues better than other people in the Red Pill sphere, and having some of the intersecting bad advice could lead to more toxic people actually listening to better advice.
What's insane is that they don't even have to do that. Matthew Hussey is a good example of a dating coach who is kind, intelligent, get MILLIONS of views, and literally dates hot celebrities effortlessly. Women fawn over him without him even trying, just by him being compassionate and normal. These misogynist "pick-up artists" are cucking themselves and don't even realize it lol
@@khletus9061 Except that this: "thoughtful and try to create a stable world-view and then teach that and be open to criticism" literally describes Hasan. So I think you're wrong there.
as a woman i was so confused what he was talking about with the last guy, didn't notice his height at all. Some yall are way too height aware what the fawk
@@Returntonature145 I've met plenty of women who don't care much about height. And well yeah, women care about how someone looks.....just like everybody else lmao
Almost all women care about height, no matter what all the replies say, just search for videos like "what women like" where they ask women on the streets for their preferences and you'll see it. In this video there is literal shaming and commenting at his body from all of them + all hasans chat. It is just sad
The guys looks aside, I don't like pick up games because they are using psych techniques to take advantage of people. I read one of those books, well, some of one. The whole point they were driving at wasn't how to get a girl to say yes to your advances, it was all about how to prevent a no. So, while they were able to get a woman to do things that were technically not against her will, the woman was usually left confused at best and feeling terrible on average. The writer of the book I read even bragged about this. The techniques all basically focus on using societal norms such as politeness and personal insecurities against a woman. To come at her with well practiced techniques so quickly that she just can't set up her defenses fast enough. To word things in a way where she feels rude somehow by saying no. Meanwhile, she's really actually quite uncomfortable. Ultimately too, when you look at how little women, as people, were taken into account by these men, you can see the women were just these things they used to inflate their own ego. There was an underlying hostility towards the women, as if the only individuality they had was how each one was just a different puzzle to solve. That is, for the women they didn't fail with. Women who rejected them, because a big part of the game, as they call it, is getting rejected. A big part of being a pick up artist is going through the paces, taking the rejections to find the girls the techniques will work on. Many will say that it's about 1 in 100 that you will find. So, to them, women who don't fall for their tricks are just people in their rearview mirror. Not worth a seconds time. Basically, I can't stand any sort of nonsense where the other party is dehumanized, and that's the whole pickup artists game.
Exactly, that's a point about pickup artists that's not brought up that often. They're not only dehumanising because they're sexist. It's also in great part because they are disgustingly manipulative. Trying to force things onto people who wouldn't have agreed if they had true freedom of choice, and not seeing a problem with it, because she "technically didn't say no" and "I asked politely". Completely missing the point of a human interaction, and blatantly using people for your personal benefit.
nah, i think it's moreso that he exuded the tall energy from his confidence, so the man assumed he'd be taller. It'd only be a fatality of you're meeting him for the first time with no context and were unaware of the content he's created
The pick up artist community is weird to say the least. It makes sense that there will be some people who won't be socially savvy and there could be some service to teach them social skills. But a lot of pick up artist advices seem to work from a perspective of power dynamics. Where they will give advices like "do x, that will make her think y and do z" that seem to treat people as malleable objects. They even call it "gaming" someone. You could analyze their advice. Take out the jargons and it all sounds like scripts of flirting and teasing but given from the mindset of power dynamics, where the man is in control of the situation and the woman is dancing to his tune. Depending on the source, these advices can go from step by step over analyzation of flirting, to downright dangerous stuff like advices on how to be pushy to change someone's mind who is saying no during sex. My understating is, these people often admit themselves that they went through a phase where they couldn’t get attention from women and the insecurities from that phase makes them feel like that it’s easier to come at getting women from a "gaming" perspective, because that gives them a sense of being in control.
@@everything5066 Women should be able to have sex with someone casually if they want to and you should talk to people you attracted to like a normal human being.
@@eldersun5110 I mean women already do that. We have casual sex with men we want to have sex with. Like that's not really a point, he just stated something that women already do of their own accord.
@@rise-my-angel I mean, yeah, that's true. I think what he was trying to communicate was that women should be able to do that WITHOUT being socially stigmatized or feeling ashamed due to internalized misoginy. I'm not a fan of his whatsover mind you, I just think he make some good common sense points that he delivers in a completely dumbass way.
When I was younger and was in uncomfortable situations with men my vocal chords would freeze up. I would try and talk but no noise would come out. I had to develop that.
try to keep in mind - if someone is 50 + years old, they grew up during segregation. women still had strict sexist christian dress codes to follow in public. they were almost never considered employable by men. marital r4p3 was still legal and acceptable in most of eurocentric countries. and lots of other really messed up stuff was still "normal" -- people that age have seen culture change dramatically in their lifetimes, and thats not really something thats happened often or ever in human history. our technological evolution is whats allowed us to connect with each other enough to be able to learn how to drop obsolete cultural artifacts and invent new / better ways to live for new / better purposes.
he wasnt trying to help men at all if he was hed be like no matter how many girls you get or how many crave your...you are still a kind and wonderful person and will eventually meet a person that will make you happy and appresciate you and you will lift each other up and help one another to grow and even if you break up thats ok you made mories and learned lessons and can have meaningful relationships with friends families and people around you to get validation.
I think the problem with dating advice is that it's commodified and is thus tailored to be provocative clickbait. If dating coaches were to be making TikToks, stories and vlogs that were simple and straight to the point, they wouldn't garner the same number of views had they been deliberately provocatie and edgy. This is why good dating advice is non-commodified common knowledge - there should be free vids, pdfs, zines and books available to adolescents from the onset of puberty, taking them through types of relationships, sexual orientations, boundaries, consent, intimacy, physicality, sexual acts, confidence, self-esteem, authenticity etc. The advice shouldn't be monopolized dating coaches behind paywalls.
Plus, most of the advice would relate to making friends in the first place, which isn't as marketable to the toxic male ego as "fuck so many chicks your cum starts a unionized strike for less working hours". After all, trying to learn how to find a romantic or sexual partner without learning how to make friends is like trying to learn a backflip without learning how to walk.
I think it's hilarious when people deliberatly try to meet people. I met my partner because we were mutuals on social media for like 3 years and then they joined my Discord server. We had ZERO intent of dating at the start, but over time we gradually grew closer and fell in love. If you're able to, let love be random! In my opinion, finding love where you don't expect it or going from friends to lovers is so much better than going hunting for a partner with the immediate goal of romance or sex
Was working a while as a waitress at a hotel. There was an event, and I was collecting empty glasses from tables when a drunk guy asked me for a hug. Obviously I said no, and he lunged for me yelling obscenities, while his mates pulled him back into his chair. I just kept on working thinking that was crazy, but thankful his mates controlled him. Didn’t even occur to me to see security about it…
him getting confused when she said she isn’t like when men use the word “ick”😭😭 it rly is for the girlies tho like men confuse it w red flags and they just don’t get it
I think its more true to say something like "don't talk to a girl that way you wouldn't want a guy to talk to you in prison". Straight guys hate when a gay guy flirts with them, yet they ignore that girls feel the same way with guys harassing them.
Yea it was just a joke lol, when he said it he didn't think that particular joke would be held up for scrutiny. Even he seemed embarrassed when the joke was played back to him.
6:35 i have to say something about this with my own experience. In november 2019 i was at my internship at the heart of Amsterdam. This guy walked down the street and i was so happen to take my break on that street because the internship company is literally next to it. He asked if he can have a cigarette, i said sure obviously thinking he’d walk away with the cigarette.. he didn’t. He ended up staying with me literally sitting on the bench that’s in front of the company i intern for. I thought, “fuck. What? Why isn’t he moving on? Oh well im gonna ignore him” And yes he tried multiple times to get my attention and listen i did reply tried to talk to him but his english was so broken we couldn’t communicate. I was very polite and didn’t wanted to judge him. He then asked me to come close and i did because stupid me thought, ‘he wouldn’t be that kind of a guy would he?’ He asked to have intercourse with me. I was livid. I ended up ignoring him finishing my cigarette and honestly I should’ve told him off. My colleagues saw him too and they all assumed he was a friend of mine. Appearently he’s a homeless guy and knowing that from the beginning because he took my yoghurt drink and drank from it AND THEN OFFERED IT TO ME TO DRINK FROM IT. I realised that being kind and polite doesn’t mean shit even if he was homeless. I did end up giving him two cigarettes because i always want to think the benefit of the doubt that he can be a better person… but really.. i was afraid walking to the subway station when my shift ended. Thinking he’d wait for me. I should’ve said something to him, i was too stunned actually. Even when you’re being too nice.. you just get used, they don’t care. Horrific.
Hasan's trolling him you simple minded child. he's using their own logic against them duh. short incels are ironically the ones glorifying height and obsessing over it. it feels good to watch them cry over it
@every thing, what does that guy have to do with incels being obsessed with hight? He did not bring it up whatsoever, he may have some misguided views, but no where in the video did it show he was inscure about his hight the only people bring attention to it was Hasan and the feminist.
@@noobgamerstatus808 it was because men have their height issue and then start spitting red pills. Nobody would be mentioning his height if he was not a red piller
@Katto Doggo Wait, so we shame people on featues they can't control because we don't agree with their views, Seems like a slippery slope. It seems like it would be better to attack their ridiculous arguments instead but if yall want to be POS, that's on you.
I really feel like there’s a nice guy underneath Chris, but because he’s conventionally attractive and is trying to be a PUA he feels like he has to do some “Dude-Bro” things. Obviously he’s not perfect (the hygiene thing was completely inappropriate) but I think he’s overall a net positive when compared to all the other PUA’s who are just preying on lonely men. I do think that there’s a definite difference between like, a PUA and a dating coach, and he should try to be the latter
Why was it inappropriate though? You could tell a guy who smells bad to take a shower and clean his dick and nobody would bat an eye. It's not like women don't smell.
@@dragonsaige well for one thing, vaginal scent isn’t determined by hygiene as much as penile scent is. It can vary for a number of reasons like menstrual cycle, natural pH, medication, diet etc. For someone with a penis you just need to groom yourself really. Also we can’t ignore our long societal history of teaching women that their bodies are disgusting and they need to do X Y and Z otherwise they won’t be attractive to men. The feminine hygiene section of a pharmacy was and still is primarily for preying on women’s insecurities about their bodies. So no, saying “A smelly coochie is an ick” is not appropriate for him to say
Dude I liked the short king, literally the first pick up bro that didn't make me gag and wanna shit myself simultaneously.. He seemed like a normal person...
I’m almost certain those are not blonde eyebrows but she actually has trichotillomania (just a thought) bc I have it and I can recognize it very easily
thats so sad hes had a 1000 kisses and not one meaningful connection, the point is to find that someone you love and cherish and spend your life together not kiss as many people as possible without a single emotional connection and being lonely
Imagine look for women that like who you really are, or even try to become a more desirable man, instead of apply some tricks to exploit the insecurity of women and get them only by manipulation.
12:33 it's not that he is objectifying but he is like telling women to lower their standards and just fuck guys and be more sexual than they are already, like trying to push them to be more sexual, which to me is for his own benefit and bad for women's safety and mental health and he is trying to push it as if it's something good for women, which feels kinda gaslighting/brainwashing to me.
Imagine building an entire career around pressuring women into doing things they don’t want to do and finally finding out at age 45 that women hate you
Benefit of the doubt. These women hate him, not all. There’s someone for everyone out there.
@@anthonyzingale even a narcissistic pedophile
these dudes can't breath without thinking of women
@@anthonyzingale so you think pressuring people to do things they don’t want to do is healthy. Cool, thanks for the red flag 👍
I'm in a pick up artist adjacent sphere (I used to be full on red pill/pua).
As I've gotten older, there are some things from those communities that I've discarded as unhelpful/toxic/untrue, however, there are also a good deal of things that I do believe to be anecdotally true after interacting with thousands of women over a decade.
I do think that there's a space for men to work on their dating lives with a strategic approach, I just believe the messaging of those manosphere communities really caters to those who just hate women, and it would be much more socially acceptable if they just dropped the toxicity and focused on what matters.
What matters, imo, is just understanding social dynamics on a macro scale. The hyper focus on just women is, I believe, deleterious to success, since there's a lot of overlap. Getting good in social situations in general will invariably carry over into your dating life. Once you get good at that, everything else that matters (confidence, wit, snap decision making) follows. Then all you have to do is get a haircut, not be fat and not live with your mom and you're golden.
Pua dudes have a huge problem with consent, and I don't understand why. If they really lived in "abundance" like they claimed, taking a no as a no doesn't matter.
"Even if I'm gonna have to use force"
That's just straight up a rape threat...
Yeah right. No one mentioned that. That was the biggest red flag in that clip by far
He was obviously joking, are Hasan stans born stupid, or autistic?
If anyone actually felt threatened by that, then they deserve to feel fear for being fragile and pathetic.
Him: you cant just meet people on the streets anymore?!
Also him: uses a low key threat to flirt with girls when he has no idea what they're into.
He's so close to being on the right track if he just stopped the horny brain for one second.
That happens if you think with your dick instead of your brain lol
I really don't think it was meant like that... but I can see how if I were a woman and some creep came up to me and said this I would feel veeery unsafe and careful. I believe he's just oblivious to this which is a red flag in itself rather than an actual threat
My daughter once encountered a "pick up artist", she was 17, he insisted that she was "built like she was 21", I was so proud when the club owner called me to tell me that she had knocked him out and I needed to take her home.
Behave like a rabid dog, get treated like one, it is the only way they learn.
She belongs to jail
@@TheStargatefan1000 he*
@@TheStargatefan1000 and you do too. See the issue? Neither of you did anything wrong? Lmao
@@TheStargatefan1000 ok pedo
teaching my little sister to use a gun . I'm giving her mine when the time's come. these cowards only understand one language
I think something that often gets left out of the “why don’t they just say no forcefully” convo is history of trauma and one’s natural trauma response. There is not just fight or flight, there is also freeze and fawn.
If you have been abused or assaulted in the past, especially if it was by a man, being aggressively hit on and non-consensually touched by a man like this can trigger you to freeze or fawn, leaving you feeling stuck in the interaction, unable to assert yourself. When someone laughs nervously, adopts people pleasing language, does things to appease or pacify the person being aggressive, etc, out of fear, that’s fawning. And women in general are already raised to put politeness and others’ comfort above our safety and well-being, making the instinctive fawn response incredibly common.
this! I never understood why I did this and blamed myself for it a lot :/
YES!! This has happened to me. I tried to stop him in the beginning but I ended up freezing (it was the 4 time a guy touched me without my consent, and the 3 time someone used force), and after it happened I was trembling like crazy. The guy asked me "why are you shaking?" And I just said "I'm cold" even though it was summer. He said I was being too dramatic, but when I got home he sent me a text saying he was really sorry, and that "I should've hit him" and I was like WHAT??? Why do I have to hurt you in order to make you understand what no means? I froze, after trying to stop you, it doesn't mean I wanted it!! The sad part is that I actually liked him, and I would've probably said yes If he hadn't behaved like that. The 2 time I also froze. Those four times I was under 17 (12, 14, and 16).
@@palomitapalomita7866 So he sexually assaulted you and then tried to victim blame you for not hitting him? What an a piece of garbage he is. So sorry those things happened to you but you're not alone...so many women have similar stories. Men cause so much trauma to women.
Also even for me, as someone who is very confrontational is stressful situations, I would never dare react in any way to make that person mad because I’m a small girl. Very dangerous for me out there.
I literally do not believe women actually hooked up with spiky hair guy for free. Nope.
you have much to learn about european culture young one
@@saturationstation1446 What? Im Central European and dont know a single person that would hook up with him, I got friends in Scandinavia and family in the UK, Italy, Germany and France. And from all of them I'd hear a loud and clear "nope" 100% of the time
how do you know someone gets laid? they obsess obout it and keep telling you they do .
@@saturationstation1446 ah yes the monolithic European culture
@@saturationstation1446 i assume you are not european
i mean it's objectively batshit to build your career around being good with women while simultaneously rejecting what women say they're receptive toward, right? imagine thinking you know women so well that you know women better than women themselves.
LA whores aren't representative of women.
@@poplui you sound like someone who women love talking to. tell me more.
Honestly, women contradict themselves all the time. There are videos of Hasan reacting to girls talking how they left boyfriends for complete idiots. I would be extremely surprised if you dont know at least one asshole guy that is getting girls. Like the guy that has bad rep but when you meet him he is funny, quirky and fun to be around. For women, the feeling always trumps logic in this scenarios, so no, they dont know better.
Let’s be reasonable. People generally don’t like being told that they have subconscious behaviors that are different from what they claim to have. Example, if you subconsciously like tall people and it’s not socially acceptable to say that out loud, people are going to claim it’s not true. So an outsider can sometimes objectively explain what’s happening.
@@MissingYouser Except that's not how any of this works. The height example doesn't function here at all, but I'll bite: you're describing a societal phenomenon -- if tall people are discriminated against, it's written into that society's framework. In that society, people who are attracted to tall people compartmentalize their attraction because society has deemed it taboo, and therefore one would assume some level of risk by choosing to pursue a tall person despite the societal norms. By the situation's logic, this would explain why some people would rather compartmentalize and deny the attraction toward tall people rather than assume the risk of pursuing the attraction.
Inexplicably, you're comparing *that* scenario to a scenario where women say "hey we actually don't care for this" and men respond "yes you do actually". You can't argue with someone about their own personal preferences. Acting like both scenarios are of the same caliber or at all related implies that deep down women actually want what they have openly rejected, and that a woman's desires can be defined by a man's evaluation of the situation while barring contributions from women. I'll let you draw your own conclusions about why that's really fucking weird.
Interactions like these, and what the whole "pick up artist" community and audience prove is - " A man's worst fear when approaching women is humiliation, a woman's worst fear when approached by a man is assault."
Like, you are a stranger, dude. If someone continuously seems like they are trying to cut the convo short and bounce - stop trying to keep them there talking to you. How many times do you need to hear a polite "no" before you get the point?
Why don't women just approach men. Wouldn't that solve everything?
@@zengara11 some women do. tbh I wouldnt approach a random guy on the street, unless I was star struck or something lol.
@@idkhithere6860 Why wouldn't you ask a random guy out, unless if he is a star?
@@zengara11 because i've got things to do and who knows if the guy im asking out is actually a good person.
@@zengara11 yeah, this doesn't really "solve misogyny" or really affect the larger picture. It would be better to instead simply have men accept the answer "no" in a healthy way. Because women approaching men doesn't really get rid of the actual problem which is patriarchal attitudes towards dating, toxic definitions of manhood, etc.
Even online if you don't answer men the next thing they do is call you a sl*t. And chill out men im not saying it's all men but always all woman who have to deal with that
ironically it's men who dream of #horing around without standards with every female with a pulse. slutshaming is the most pathetic male projection.
you literally dont have to do anything to be assaulted. I was waiting for a friend sitting on a chair when 2 drunk dude started bothering me and even after I said no for 5 times they still were there, visible getting more and more aggressive. I has to start making a real phone call to police only then they left
This is why every man should do a catfish profile of a hot girl. Really gives you some perspective jk lol
@@banquetoftheleviathan1404 to be fair i have done that before and it’s not as bad as you think, and harassment doesn’t seem to happen as often as people say, i think it’s definitely exaggerated in my experience, but i can see some dudes getting angry and doing bad things. It’s a small minority though. Men know not to assault and harass, some people just don’t do the right thing
@@ADollarMight What sort of harrassment, and according to which people? Every female over 12 that I know has been harrassed. Mostly verbal, but still a bad experience, especially for young girls just walking home from school who don't know if it will stop at words.
Completely true, as a woman, if you say no you're always afraid that it will rub them off the wrong way and they'll attack you so you try to be polite and nice, and maybe even have a very nervous smile, cause they're just annoying like that, they can't take a no, then why go out of your way to speak to someone whom you don't even know the name of.
As a gay guy I've had the same experiences with turning down women. Even had, multiple times, when my friends have had to help get them off me... plus the one who though pelvic thrusting my dog in the face was an appropriate response to being turned down.
@@Illyriad I see, it must've been awful, I hope you're alright now and that you can find ways to avoid these toxic people now, please take care of yourself
@@kilariinazuma8273 Ah yes, I must assume if a woman looks interested in me after I approach her on the street, it must be cuz she is afraid and polite. Cope harder. Gonna go approach women on street just to piss you off.
Why didn’t they mention him saying he was going to come into her club by force. That was so uncomfortable
Confidence Chris isn't the worst pick up artist we've seen. I lowkey laughed at some of his jokes, but that 200 some dollars for a phone call is a scam. He's like chaotic good or like true neutral.
He's the guy girls try to "fix". A regular asshole. The first guy was his own species he made the second one look like a super nice person.
@@smji5269 Actually some of the people who were arguing with the 2nd guy in the video have commented that he was very open to understanding but ofc the channel erased those partes to make it short and watchable. So for me he still seems like a pretty alr guy who could do better
That pause "oh I see what it is now" and I was completely clueless. I was like..."her skirt? What?"
I forget how obsessed some people are with height
@@unrightist is it obsession to want someone taller than me?
@@unrightist most women I talked to told me they really do care about it and I'm hanging out in rather progressive circles.
@@anatollnatoll2914 not denying people think that way, just forgot how strong it was.
@@serene_ladyred8803 it is if it's more important than all other physical traits and personal traits. I understand preference, but I just don't think that one immutable thing should be the most important. Not saying it is for you, just saying the fact that it's immediately obvious what's "wrong" with the guy after seeing him for one second, is reflective of the fact that for many people, it is. Personally I do have a preference with regards to height, that a guy be similar to me, but my height is on the outer edge of typical for a guy so that preference has to take a back burner, especially since most guys that are perceived as short tend to try and overcompensate due to the cultural convention, which makes their personalities less attractive.
I hate the play hard to get thing, the #1 thing that would make me lose interest is her making things hard. If it doesn’t feel like things are clicking easy I’m going to feel like it isn’t gonna work out.
Yeah, not only does this trope encourage guys to think "no" doesn't actually mean "no", it also devalues women who know what they want and enjoy s3x without shame. As if a woman is only valuable as a partner if she plays the "unwilling virgin" archetype. It's gross all around.
That was the confusing thing. He contradicted himself and said that women should be able to just want to fuck people just because they think they’re hot but then also said women need to play hard to get.
I honestly think if he just tweaked the message, after one of the women pointed out the negative potential, it would have been a better message: I.e “don’t give away your access for cheap”-> “identify your standards, stick to them, and the right people for you will come to you.” Paired with telling men to accept a no, and that they’ll find someone else
Yeah and it kinda play on the "trophy woman" trope.
Like women are some sort of prize to be won or an achievement.
I'd rather date a good friend than a trophy.
I'm 100% with Hasan on this one. That's the first human being that ever pulled the no eyebrows look.
The idea of bragging about 1000+ "makeouts" is so fucking funny to me.
It's like what an 11 year old boy would think is cool. Who gives a fuck about making out lmao
Also. For a guy who's been doing this shit every day for 30 years, 1000 is not that many at all
Bro actually said " thought you'd be taller" right to him Hahahahaha Respect
interesting tho thats how he percieved him to be through his personality, he thought he would be a tall dude?
His alpha energy threatened the tall beta
@@ralphwiggum3463 It's a jab when the height difference was prominent
@@IdiotBoxProductionsTV Aren't alphas considered advantageous in height too?
@@IdiotBoxProductionsTV sounds like you’re narrating an Andrew Tate book
Some guys will 100% assault you verbally or physically if you reject them. I’ve rejected guys politely and have been groped, harassed and followed. I think a lot of men don’t realise how scary that can be especially knowing that I am a smaller woman and every man I meet is going to be much taller and stronger than me
I think people who bleach their brows want to look like an alien and mysterious. And is more for those people’s own happiness and desire to look that way more so than it is for other people.
everyone should shave their eyebrows at least once in their life.
I f*ing HATE that point about "there are women in abundance, so it doesn't matter if she said no, because you can just move on to the next one". Like, what does that even mean? If there were only a few women around in a given situation, are men still meant to respect their boundaries then? Ugh the mental gymnastics.
I will go ahead and approach random women on street just to piss you off, cptn. Gonna cry?
What I think it's SUPPOSED to mean (which is different than the words that were said, because I agree with your assessment) is that you shouldn't take rejection hard, because there are plenty of other opportunities out there for you to meet someone compatible. But it came out like some weird ass don't put the pussy on the pedestal crap instead. And again, you are correct that if you are basing how you handle a rejection by how many other women are out there who might be into you instead of that woman's humanity and autonomy, and you follow that out to its logical conclusion.....you're implying that if you don't have a lot of options, it's okay to pressure the limited ones you do have, in spite of their rejection. And yeah, that's gross.
@@queenofsprinkles What this bum, cptn, is saying is don't approach women at all. If you ask me, screw him.
He fr said "smellē kewchie" with such aggressive force.
And no matter what is is, there is someone into it. You know how much money you could make selling underwear with a smelly downstairs?
can someone please explain to me what was wrong with that? I genuinely don't get it
second dude seems like the Nice Guy archetype among his frat bros in Sigma Apple Pie or whatever lol
I'm kinda disappointed that they didn't really had deep discussions with the first Guy and that they were so lenient with him.
The world can be kind of mean to you over an immutable characteristic like height, so it's awesome to see he can poke fun at it as well. Used to be insecure about my own, but being able to joke about it, just like being able to joke about yourself in general, seems to go a long way in how confident other people perceive you.
like i honestly do not understand how peoples red lines i height. one time in a class assignement i chose smoking as my absolute no and even my teacher called me shallow. where he himself chose being vegan and good face and everyone else chose body and face.
If a short king is confident, it tells me they were raised well, have a good sense of humor, and are skilled in other areas.
But if a short king is cocky, he's over compensating or defensive.
Not gonna lie I kinda developed stereotypes about short men. I'm short, I loved dating short men cause everyone even average height make me feel like I need a stepping stool to talk to or kiss them. But dang the insecurities are rough to deal with. It taught me it really doesn't matter what your partner thinks or what others think, I loved that they weren't tall and it didn't change anything.
Being super insecure about things this inherent and unchanging about yourself is gonna be really rough on your partner, and while a partner might help you with dealing with your insecurities, you have to work on it yourself, otherwise it won't matter.
I hear you. I'm a short woman and I e always been ragged by culture I should be taller and that's all that's missing 🤷♀️ like wtf man. I just ignore it at this point.
Also so many short kings honesty Kevin heart Dani devito I'm sure marlin Brando was short too honestly seriously nothing wrong with it
@@deliri0um sort of off topic, but that's seems like an innapropriate thing for a teacher to say to their student, sorry that happened :( maybe the teacher smoked and was projecting his insecurity? Lol
Chris was giving mostly decent advice and then slapping an edgy/misogynist joke on at the end. "Talk to them like they're your homie" is good advice! It was almost like he felt like he needed to add the edgy joke in at the end to appeal to young boys.
"...............................................................................................you can't say that..."
That did some psychic damage
As for the lady saying women don't having to tell a guy no because men have a tendency to assault them, I totally believe her. I've seen clubs where guys will constantly hit on a woman, and so many times when she shows no interest, they will lash out at her. In those situations, it's rare for anything physical. First, they're usually trolling, so they are speeding through women to find a yes, also there are bouncers who'll shut them down quick if they do.
No, the assaults will usually come where they call the woman's bitch, a dyke, a lesbian, ugly, etc. Sooooo many guys do this. So, while for guys at the club, many of their experiences as being rejected, many of a woman's experiences is this long line of guys calling them every name in the book. Any wonder they don't want to invite more interactions with strange men. Frankly, if most times people called me terrible names, especially in aggressive disgusted tones, I don't think I would act nearly as same as most women do after all that. Verbal abuse is an assault too.
Clubs are by far the most rotten centers of perversion. I'm flabbergasted that women insist on going to them with no intention of hooking up with anybody when they know just how pushy, insecure and aggressive the men there can be.
@@lotanowo that's an insane perspective. So, women shouldn't go to clubs, unless they are fine with hooking up, because guys are dicks there? Fun fact, guys are dicks everywhere. Just watch a cat calling video. If women were going to avoid every place a guy is going to be pushy then she couldn't leave her house. Also, before you may say that's a good idea, let me remind you that insane people like the Taliban think that's a good way of life.
No, women like clubs because they like to dress fancy and party. Many, many times, women go just to have fun. Not to find someone. The club and the bouncers should help foster a safe environment by tossing aggressive dickheads.
It's a free world, women know guys may hit on them there or flirt. Thing is, women know that may happen anywhere. As a female comedian said, she could be in a Denny's and if she appeared to be willing, guys would line up for their turn.
The problem isn't the women or the place, it's the guys. They need to learn self control and respect.
You want to talk about places of perversion, yet at a strip club if a guy got pushy with a stripperz he'd find himself face planted outside in no time.
It's all about how willing a place is to be a safe place for women, not about the place itself.
@@haddow777 you just insinuated like a million things. Not sure how you extrapolate Taliban out of what I said. But absolutely, guys are dicks, and of course it’s a problem that women get catcalled on the streets, but unlike the streets, clubs are completely optional places to be, and of all the places, it’s a bad mix of dark surroundings, loud music, alcohol and very often drugs. Not saying they’re asking for it and they should have the right to go to clubs and not get harassed, but that’s clearly not what happens, and if I went somewhere where I’d feel uncomfortable, I’d reconsider going there again in the future.
I’m short and I’m glad the short dude wasn’t creepy like the first one 😂
I’m a woman and shout out to the short kings. I’ve dated guys shorter than me and they’ve all been great guys that treated me with respect. Don’t let social standards hold you back-be the best guy you can be on the inside.
As long as you're not an annoying little hate nerd, like Ben shabibo, then short kings rule.
@@CharlieApples holy W
My husband is shorter than me. He’s the best guy on the planet. He even gave me a literal kidney. 😂
@@CharlieApples saying best on the inside still implies there’s something wrong with being short though
the sad part is u can see the second guy kinda twisting and bobbing his head as though he can see where they're coming from when they critique him. So, that goes to show how these people literally just create content, and hold on to the platform, without any form of careful consideration of what they are preaching. It's not in their interest to be thoughtful and try to create a stable world-view and then teach that and be open to criticism. That's kind of the massive problem with influencer culture.
Can the same not be said to Hasan? It is a normal thing online, but there is some heavy truths there
There are definitely problems with it, but good reasons exist for keeping up bad content you now disagree with. The first one is honesty; sometimes people will bury bad things they did in the past without addressing their problems, and avoiding that behavior opens up avenues for criticism on how you grew as a person. The second reason is that even with the worst aspects of his content he is leagues better than other people in the Red Pill sphere, and having some of the intersecting bad advice could lead to more toxic people actually listening to better advice.
What's insane is that they don't even have to do that. Matthew Hussey is a good example of a dating coach who is kind, intelligent, get MILLIONS of views, and literally dates hot celebrities effortlessly. Women fawn over him without him even trying, just by him being compassionate and normal. These misogynist "pick-up artists" are cucking themselves and don't even realize it lol
Uhm... Welcome to the internet I guess ?You just described majority of influencers, Hasan included.
@@khletus9061 Except that this: "thoughtful and try to create a stable world-view and then teach that and be open to criticism" literally describes Hasan. So I think you're wrong there.
as a woman i was so confused what he was talking about with the last guy, didn't notice his height at all. Some yall are way too height aware what the fawk
Same. What's the big deal with short men? Idk understand people's obsession over men's heights and dick sizes at all
@@humblesentiments1553 womens care about height and looks
@@Returntonature145 I've met plenty of women who don't care much about height.
And well yeah, women care about how someone looks.....just like everybody else lmao
right? idk maybe its because im a lesbian so that doesnt factor into attraction or w/e but i was so confused when hasan said 'there it is' 😭
Almost all women care about height, no matter what all the replies say, just search for videos like "what women like" where they ask women on the streets for their preferences and you'll see it.
In this video there is literal shaming and commenting at his body from all of them + all hasans chat. It is just sad
"No one is 12 in this situation" I mean, one can only hope.
The guys looks aside, I don't like pick up games because they are using psych techniques to take advantage of people. I read one of those books, well, some of one. The whole point they were driving at wasn't how to get a girl to say yes to your advances, it was all about how to prevent a no. So, while they were able to get a woman to do things that were technically not against her will, the woman was usually left confused at best and feeling terrible on average. The writer of the book I read even bragged about this.
The techniques all basically focus on using societal norms such as politeness and personal insecurities against a woman. To come at her with well practiced techniques so quickly that she just can't set up her defenses fast enough. To word things in a way where she feels rude somehow by saying no.
Meanwhile, she's really actually quite uncomfortable.
Ultimately too, when you look at how little women, as people, were taken into account by these men, you can see the women were just these things they used to inflate their own ego. There was an underlying hostility towards the women, as if the only individuality they had was how each one was just a different puzzle to solve. That is, for the women they didn't fail with. Women who rejected them, because a big part of the game, as they call it, is getting rejected. A big part of being a pick up artist is going through the paces, taking the rejections to find the girls the techniques will work on. Many will say that it's about 1 in 100 that you will find. So, to them, women who don't fall for their tricks are just people in their rearview mirror. Not worth a seconds time.
Basically, I can't stand any sort of nonsense where the other party is dehumanized, and that's the whole pickup artists game.
Exactly, that's a point about pickup artists that's not brought up that often. They're not only dehumanising because they're sexist. It's also in great part because they are disgustingly manipulative. Trying to force things onto people who wouldn't have agreed if they had true freedom of choice, and not seeing a problem with it, because she "technically didn't say no" and "I asked politely". Completely missing the point of a human interaction, and blatantly using people for your personal benefit.
These aren't "psych techniques." They're just dumb and socially misinformed attempts to "unlock" women. It's so pathetic.
Obliviousness goes a long way I didn’t even initiate most of my relationships I was just there wanting to hang out and have friends
Someone in chat said the first dude looks like an Adam Sandler character and I have not stopped laughing since LMAO
A chatter said mohawk dude looks like Bob Odenkirk in a costume and I can't unsee it
I was thinking the same thing
That is Bob! It's an elaborate, decades long prank for the Mr. Show.
It’s not really feminist’s that dislike pick up artists from my experience in the world women in general hate pick up artists
Even men hate pickup artists...
Why am I only just noticing black Santa posing in the background
you mean ethnic santa
Isn't that karl marx
Italian Santa 😂
*DO NOT INVOKE THE EXISTENCE OF THE DEVOURER OF WORLDS*
OG Saint Nicholas was from Turkey
short king😭😭😭 lmaoooo
Lowkey felt bad for all these folks pointing out second guy‘s height man.
No, you don't; women are incapable of feeling empathy for men, which is why there are so many male feminists, but so few female mras.
@@poplui damn, reading me like a book, aren't you.
i didnt even notice till everyone pointed it out. i cant believe how much dudes care about height because i dont even think hes tht short 🤷♀️
Literal shaming and commenting at his body from all of them + all hasans chat
"thought you'd be taller" is the best real life Mortal Kombat fatality I've ever seen
nah, i think it's moreso that he exuded the tall energy from his confidence, so the man assumed he'd be taller. It'd only be a fatality of you're meeting him for the first time with no context and were unaware of the content he's created
He’s been on Andrew Callaghans video before
"i know this one's gonna be bad because it's a podcast" i leaped out of my chair LMAO
The pick up artist community is weird to say the least. It makes sense that there will be some people who won't be socially savvy and there could be some service to teach them social skills. But a lot of pick up artist advices seem to work from a perspective of power dynamics. Where they will give advices like "do x, that will make her think y and do z" that seem to treat people as malleable objects. They even call it "gaming" someone. You could analyze their advice. Take out the jargons and it all sounds like scripts of flirting and teasing but given from the mindset of power dynamics, where the man is in control of the situation and the woman is dancing to his tune. Depending on the source, these advices can go from step by step over analyzation of flirting, to downright dangerous stuff like advices on how to be pushy to change someone's mind who is saying no during sex.
My understating is, these people often admit themselves that they went through a phase where they couldn’t get attention from women and the insecurities from that phase makes them feel like that it’s easier to come at getting women from a "gaming" perspective, because that gives them a sense of being in control.
I mean, Confidence Chris made some good points... he just ruined it with his personality. Specifically his humor.
what good points?
@@everything5066 Women should be able to have sex with someone casually if they want to and you should talk to people you attracted to like a normal human being.
@@eldersun5110 I mean women already do that. We have casual sex with men we want to have sex with. Like that's not really a point, he just stated something that women already do of their own accord.
@@rise-my-angel I mean, yeah, that's true. I think what he was trying to communicate was that women should be able to do that WITHOUT being socially stigmatized or feeling ashamed due to internalized misoginy. I'm not a fan of his whatsover mind you, I just think he make some good common sense points that he delivers in a completely dumbass way.
@@eldersun5110 Okay that makes sense, thank you
This dude is from that Channel 5 video about "pickup artists". He was so genuinely sad and creepy there, too.
Banger from jubilee
When I was younger and was in uncomfortable situations with men my vocal chords would freeze up. I would try and talk but no noise would come out. I had to develop that.
try to keep in mind - if someone is 50 + years old, they grew up during segregation. women still had strict sexist christian dress codes to follow in public. they were almost never considered employable by men. marital r4p3 was still legal and acceptable in most of eurocentric countries. and lots of other really messed up stuff was still "normal" -- people that age have seen culture change dramatically in their lifetimes, and thats not really something thats happened often or ever in human history. our technological evolution is whats allowed us to connect with each other enough to be able to learn how to drop obsolete cultural artifacts and invent new / better ways to live for new / better purposes.
Dear Chris Confidence,
I am a 6 foot 2 inch tall woman. When can we meet?
Yours Expectantly,
Serena
Guy is an anime villain.
he wasnt trying to help men at all if he was hed be like no matter how many girls you get or how many crave your...you are still a kind and wonderful person and will eventually meet a person that will make you happy and appresciate you and you will lift each other up and help one another to grow and even if you break up thats ok you made mories and learned lessons and can have meaningful relationships with friends families and people around you to get validation.
5:47 Hasan is right. He straight up looks like midlife crisis Birdy from Street Fighter.
This show is what hell looks like and I wouldn’t wish this on my worst enemy
I think the problem with dating advice is that it's commodified and is thus tailored to be provocative clickbait. If dating coaches were to be making TikToks, stories and vlogs that were simple and straight to the point, they wouldn't garner the same number of views had they been deliberately provocatie and edgy. This is why good dating advice is non-commodified common knowledge - there should be free vids, pdfs, zines and books available to adolescents from the onset of puberty, taking them through types of relationships, sexual orientations, boundaries, consent, intimacy, physicality, sexual acts, confidence, self-esteem, authenticity etc. The advice shouldn't be monopolized dating coaches behind paywalls.
Plus, most of the advice would relate to making friends in the first place, which isn't as marketable to the toxic male ego as "fuck so many chicks your cum starts a unionized strike for less working hours". After all, trying to learn how to find a romantic or sexual partner without learning how to make friends is like trying to learn a backflip without learning how to walk.
5:44 - you fucking killed me with the street fighter shit. He's like a peacock version of Dan Hibiki 🤣 now I can't unsee it
I think it's hilarious when people deliberatly try to meet people. I met my partner because we were mutuals on social media for like 3 years and then they joined my Discord server. We had ZERO intent of dating at the start, but over time we gradually grew closer and fell in love. If you're able to, let love be random! In my opinion, finding love where you don't expect it or going from friends to lovers is so much better than going hunting for a partner with the immediate goal of romance or sex
Saaame! Love has always come into my life when I expected it the least, when I wasn’t even looking for it and it made ir so much better
Chris seems like a genuine dude in a live situation. Internet has ruined us all
Chris just has a SHORT sighted perspective
Us short kings caught a fat strayyyy lmaooo
one chatter said Gary Oldman from the Fifth Element, and I felt that lmao
He looks like Adam Sandler trying to fit in with his children at a punk concert.
One end is shy extreme wall flower, the other are these guys.
Somewhere in the middle is good, and legal
That black dress is very Wow. Looking stunning.
Little Nicky vibes 😂
Holy shit 😂😂😂
He is 😅🤣😆
Was working a while as a waitress at a hotel. There was an event, and I was collecting empty glasses from tables when a drunk guy asked me for a hug. Obviously I said no, and he lunged for me yelling obscenities, while his mates pulled him back into his chair. I just kept on working thinking that was crazy, but thankful his mates controlled him. Didn’t even occur to me to see security about it…
him getting confused when she said she isn’t like when men use the word “ick”😭😭 it rly is for the girlies tho like men confuse it w red flags and they just don’t get it
"yous"
Bruh
@@johnjohnson3681 i was typing quickly and i’m scottish so i type out “yous” a lot💀 autocorrect is a bitch ig
Okay I need the full one of this
Ok no but I like the new-generation guy he makes sense. When he says "look at her like shes ugly" hes talking to guys in a language they understand.
I think its more true to say something like "don't talk to a girl that way you wouldn't want a guy to talk to you in prison". Straight guys hate when a gay guy flirts with them, yet they ignore that girls feel the same way with guys harassing them.
Yea it was just a joke lol, when he said it he didn't think that particular joke would be held up for scrutiny. Even he seemed embarrassed when the joke was played back to him.
I can’t believe I watched someone reacting to someone reacting to someone reacting to his content
Emo professor Snape.
Snape was already emo 🖤 omg emo has its own emoji wt
No don't insult professor Snape in that manner
everyone in this seems insufferable.
The first time I heard of pick-up artist was It's always sunny. I was surprised to learn that it was in fact a real thing.
Hhh, "that guys bothering me, help mommyy~"
If he said that, I'd help him xD
This is discount Gary Oldman from 5th Element
these dude can't breath without thinking of women.
6:35 i have to say something about this with my own experience.
In november 2019 i was at my internship at the heart of Amsterdam. This guy walked down the street and i was so happen to take my break on that street because the internship company is literally next to it.
He asked if he can have a cigarette, i said sure obviously thinking he’d walk away with the cigarette.. he didn’t.
He ended up staying with me literally sitting on the bench that’s in front of the company i intern for. I thought, “fuck. What? Why isn’t he moving on? Oh well im gonna ignore him”
And yes he tried multiple times to get my attention and listen i did reply tried to talk to him but his english was so broken we couldn’t communicate. I was very polite and didn’t wanted to judge him. He then asked me to come close and i did because stupid me thought, ‘he wouldn’t be that kind of a guy would he?’ He asked to have intercourse with me.
I was livid. I ended up ignoring him finishing my cigarette and honestly I should’ve told him off. My colleagues saw him too and they all assumed he was a friend of mine.
Appearently he’s a homeless guy and knowing that from the beginning because he took my yoghurt drink and drank from it AND THEN OFFERED IT TO ME TO DRINK FROM IT. I realised that being kind and polite doesn’t mean shit even if he was homeless. I did end up giving him two cigarettes because i always want to think the benefit of the doubt that he can be a better person… but really.. i was afraid walking to the subway station when my shift ended. Thinking he’d wait for me.
I should’ve said something to him, i was too stunned actually. Even when you’re being too nice.. you just get used, they don’t care. Horrific.
i have never seen bleached eyebrows look bad on a person. always looks super cool
Hasan, "Being short is just an excuse, don't be insecure" also Hasan, "HAHA look at the short guy".
Hasan's trolling him you simple minded child. he's using their own logic against them duh. short incels are ironically the ones glorifying height and obsessing over it. it feels good to watch them cry over it
@every thing, what does that guy have to do with incels being obsessed with hight? He did not bring it up whatsoever, he may have some misguided views, but no where in the video did it show he was inscure about his hight the only people bring attention to it was Hasan and the feminist.
@@noobgamerstatus808 it was because men have their height issue and then start spitting red pills. Nobody would be mentioning his height if he was not a red piller
@Katto Doggo Wait, so we shame people on featues they can't control because we don't agree with their views, Seems like a slippery slope. It seems like it would be better to attack their ridiculous arguments instead but if yall want to be POS, that's on you.
@@noobgamerstatus808 and you took that personally
i can’t believe it. i met the first guy. the makeout king 😬
ironically enough at a hair salon 😭 (in LA near melrose)
Confidence Chris was pretty on point ngl
Dude looks like a bob odenkirk character on mr show
Fun fact me and the pick up artist go to the same hair place LMAO. I always see him
I really feel like there’s a nice guy underneath Chris, but because he’s conventionally attractive and is trying to be a PUA he feels like he has to do some “Dude-Bro” things.
Obviously he’s not perfect (the hygiene thing was completely inappropriate) but I think he’s overall a net positive when compared to all the other PUA’s who are just preying on lonely men.
I do think that there’s a definite difference between like, a PUA and a dating coach, and he should try to be the latter
Why was it inappropriate though? You could tell a guy who smells bad to take a shower and clean his dick and nobody would bat an eye. It's not like women don't smell.
@@dragonsaige well for one thing, vaginal scent isn’t determined by hygiene as much as penile scent is. It can vary for a number of reasons like menstrual cycle, natural pH, medication, diet etc. For someone with a penis you just need to groom yourself really.
Also we can’t ignore our long societal history of teaching women that their bodies are disgusting and they need to do X Y and Z otherwise they won’t be attractive to men. The feminine hygiene section of a pharmacy was and still is primarily for preying on women’s insecurities about their bodies.
So no, saying “A smelly coochie is an ick” is not appropriate for him to say
first guy looks like a Neil Breen character
My man just wants some uppies 🥺🥺🥺
Little Nicky twenty two years later.
these people should be on the so list
1984 is the last time Mohawker was even slightly attractive at all in any way, shape or form.
9:20 she looks so skeptical
Line 1: Hello.
Line 2: The vdeos are out of context.
Dude I liked the short king, literally the first pick up bro that didn't make me gag and wanna shit myself simultaneously..
He seemed like a normal person...
I’m almost certain those are not blonde eyebrows but she actually has trichotillomania (just a thought) bc I have it and I can recognize it very easily
Isn’t that the channel 5 guy Andrew interviewed
What a fun one for the morning coffee ☕️ 😂
thats so sad hes had a 1000 kisses and not one meaningful connection, the point is to find that someone you love and cherish and spend your life together not kiss as many people as possible without a single emotional connection and being lonely
That second guy looked like a version of posty...?
Imagine look for women that like who you really are, or even try to become a more desirable man, instead of apply some tricks to exploit the insecurity of women and get them only by manipulation.
Ah yes, guess I will continue 'exploiting insecurity of women and manipulate bla bla'. You gonna cry about it, Matheus?
@@simonhakon3447 Not my problem
I agree with most of the bearded dude’s reactions to the videos but his vocal fry is driving me absolutely insane.
Omg I love this
Pickup artist bootcamp
12:33 it's not that he is objectifying but he is like telling women to lower their standards and just fuck guys and be more sexual than they are already, like trying to push them to be more sexual, which to me is for his own benefit and bad for women's safety and mental health and he is trying to push it as if it's something good for women, which feels kinda gaslighting/brainwashing to me.
«it’s out of context” what you mean? It’s your website. YOU PROVIDED THE CONTEXT